RIP STAN "TOOKIE" WILLIAMS

[punkbitch]

DO THUGS GET TO GO TO HEAVEN??

[Flavicon]

I think if you repent in time you get to go no matter what.

[punkbitch]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/authors/2004/11/30/tookie128.jpg
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20051120/i/r982365213.jpg
http://www.tookie.com/htdocs/images/Stanley.Tookie.Williams.5.5.03.jpeg
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week425/pics/cover_williams.jpg
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20051124/i/r3321128802.jpg
http://www.sfbayview.com/113005/images/StanTookieWilliams.jpg
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20051208/capt.sge.mkx11.081205234429.photo03.photo.default-384x247.jpg
http://lcn.canoe.com/archives/lcn/infos/lemonde/media/2005/12/20051213-075033-g.jpg

[Flavicon]

From savetookie.org

"On Tuesday, December 13th we lost a great fighter against racism, injustice, and the death penalty. "

yeah, no shit

[punkbitch]

BOUNCE THE FUCK UP OUTTA HERE TOY

[fuckin...bub]

CRIPWALK TO THIS.

[damngraffitivandal]

wow, you missed the point didn't you

[Overtime]

Fuck Tookie

[punkbitch]

ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME.

[punkbitch]

Originally posted by damngraffitivandal@Dec 14 2005, 07:34 AM
wow, you missed the point didn't you
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I SAW THE POINT BITCH FACE

BOUNCE WITH THAT NONSENSE

[punkbitch]

Originally posted by onesecondple@Dec 14 2005, 03:12 PM
Fuck Tookie
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YEAH BUSTER

YOUR GLAD I DIDNT QUOTE YOUR WEAK ASS COMMENT

MAKE YOU LOOK DUMB

[toby maguire]

.............................r.i.p.

[Gunm]

Tookie who?


is that a new kind of snack?

[MAGS156]

yea its fried!

[punkbitch]

Originally posted by LENS@Dec 14 2005, 08:17 PM
Tookie who?


is that a new kind of snack?
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STAY IN THE ARTFAG TOPICS...YOU WOULDNT NO NOTHIN BOUT THIS THUG LIFE :burn:

[Overtime]

Originally posted by 408PLAYA+Dec 14 2005, 10:34 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (408PLAYA - Dec 14 2005, 10:34 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-onesecondple@Dec 14 2005, 03:12 PM
Fuck Tookie
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YEAH BUSTER

YOUR GLAD I DIDNT QUOTE YOUR WEAK ASS COMMENT

MAKE YOU LOOK DUMB
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[/b][/quote]


I can retype that shit if you would like. rip hitler or someone else who started some stupid ass group while we are at it.

[Flavicon]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1560234571.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

[BlitzOne]

http://i.pbase.com/g3/77/622077/2/53561251.PC150003.jpg

^I DID LAST NITE FROM AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND IN THE MIDDLE OFF THE CITY, AND GOT CHASED BY ONE TIME AND MY BOY FOKUS FROM L.A GOT CAUGHT...


FOR YOU TOOK'S...


&copy;RIP IN PEACE


:innocent:

[dobsilla]

Originally posted by 408PLAYA@Dec 14 2005, 04:23 AM
DO THUGS GET TO GO TO HEAVEN??
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i think the more appropriate question would be.

"is there a heaven for a gangsta, gangsta ughhh..."

[otto dix]

just because he was executed by a system which uses a punishment method that people are against doesnt make him a hero or an icon. there are plenty of people who are alive today and didnt kill anyone in cold blood that are doing wonders for the fight against racscim, human rights crimes, etc. why dont we start a post about them? they actually deserve your support.

[40oZ_fiEnd]

TOOKIE LIVES!!

[Frate Raper]

STAY IN THE ARTFAG TOPICS...YOU WOULDNT NO NOTHIN BOUT THIS THUG LIFE :burn:
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what the fuck do you know about? Your on the internet!!!! thugging?

[damngraffitivandal]

Originally posted by 408PLAYA+Dec 14 2005, 08:20 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (408PLAYA - Dec 14 2005, 08:20 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-damngraffitivandal@Dec 14 2005, 07:34 AM
wow, you missed the point didn't you
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I SAW THE POINT BITCH FACE

BOUNCE WITH THAT NONSENSE
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[/b][/quote]

Not really, Tookie was against gang violence, the point of the movement for his clemency is that he was no longer a thug, but an advocate against the existence of gangs. So, saying 'cripwalk to this' as a tribute to him, does not indicate that you got what he was trying to say. I'm just trying to clarify why i said that, maybe you do understand him and figured that your statement didn't disrespect what he stood for.

[imported_some pittsburgh flavor]

tookie spent something like 26 years in jail waiting to die, with 6 of those in "The Hole", in solitary confinement . He was offered the chance to get off of death row if he would just admit his guilt, but refused to confess to a crime he did not commit. Three black jurors were removed from his jury and replaced with whites, and everyone knows what an all white jury thinks about the co-founder of the crips. He did it, whatever it was. He swore to his dying day he did not commit those specific crimes and had evidence proving so.

I'm not saying Tookie never did anything wrong. He did a lot wrong, maybe just not this. Schwarzennegger had the ability to stop or even delay the death sentence but did nothing. But I mean, what can you do... how does it look defending the leader of all crips? During his time in jail, though, tookie completely, officially, and publicly renounced gang involvement and spent free time reading and writing books about gangs and how/why to avoid getting into them.

I would get my ass kicked for denouncing crips at the basketball game and i'm nobody. Tookie is the co-founder of the damn gang and denounced it. That's gangster as hell in my book... you jsut called thousands and thousands of crips suckers with self-esteem and social problems and it is the truth because you invented them.

He did a lot to stop gang violence, and the years after his press conference denouncing gangs, he got all types of letters from cities like LA and surrounding areas about how people have noticed gang trouble dropping drastically, almost instantly.

I've yet to fully read all the evidence bout his innocence but I don't think anyone should really be put to death for anything. Isn't torture worse anyway?

[damngraffitivandal]

actually, shit, sorry 408PLAYA, you DID get it. I was saying that 'fuckin..bub' didn't get it, then u responded, so yea, alright, peace, RIP TOOKIE

[INDIAN]

SO YOUR TELLING ME JUST BECAUSE HE NEVER ADMITED TO THE CRIME HE FINALLY GOT CAUGHT FOR HE NEVER KILLED ANYONE OR DIDNT DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FOUNDING MEMBER AND ONE TIME LEADER OF THE RUTHLESS CRIP GANG RIGHT BUT HE NEVER DID ANYTHING WRONG. HES A CRIMNAL AND THE TYPE OF PERSON PRISONS AND DEATH ROW ARE MADE FOR BECAUSE IF HE NEVER WOULD HAVE GOT CAUGHT HE NEVER WOULD HAVE STOPPED. I ALSO THINK IT FUNNY THAT KID DID A TAG IN NEW ZEALAND FOR HIM, HES THE KIND OF MAN THAT WOULD HAVE KILLED OR BEATEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU SO TO MAKE HIM SOMETHING MORE THAN HE WAS, WHICH WAS A HARD ASS THUG IS REALLY UNREALISTIC

[BlitzOne]

Originally posted by BlitzOne@Dec 15 2005, 12:13 PM
http://i.pbase.com/g3/77/622077/2/53561251.PC150003.jpg

^I DID LAST NITE ...

^Im not kid fool, im 25 and have been painting graff for 10 years...


In NZ we have bloods and crip, Polynision gangs, members from the west coast off America...


Tongan Crip Gang
Tongan Lench Mob
etc...



Sons Of Samoan
Kings Of SAmaon
etc...


Any way add me msn if you want me too link you photos: graffitivandel@hotmail.com


R.I.P NIGGA :innocent:

[cRXgti]

im sorry but when you kill 4 people
BURN IN HELL~

[12:02p.m]

Originally posted by 408PLAYA+Dec 14 2005, 02:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (408PLAYA - Dec 14 2005, 02:31 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-LENS@Dec 14 2005, 08:17 PM
Tookie who?


is that a new kind of snack?
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STAY IN THE ARTFAG TOPICS...YOU WOULDNT NO NOTHIN BOUT THIS THUG LIFE :burn:
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[/b][/quote]
haha....

what the fuck do you know?

[12:02p.m]

Originally posted by cRXgti@Dec 14 2005, 11:52 PM
im sorry but when you kill 4 people
BURN IN HELL~
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[marksonanysurface357]

edited

[imported_MoeLarryCurly]

killer or no killer...respect the fuckin dead...hope that "deaded" things..pun intended

[Overtime]

Originally posted by some pittsburgh flavor@Dec 14 2005, 09:04 PM
tookie spent something like 26 years in jail waiting to die, with 6 of those in "The Hole", in solitary confinement . He was offered the chance to get off of death row if he would just admit his guilt, but refused to confess to a crime he did not commit. Three black jurors were removed from his jury and replaced with whites, and everyone knows what an all white jury thinks about the co-founder of the crips. He did it, whatever it was. He swore to his dying day he did not commit those specific crimes and had evidence proving so.


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Yeah, because only in america can you get a death sentence and then appeal for 26 retarded years.

[geezpot]

Is this thread a joke?

[Politics&Bullshit]

FUCK THE DEATH PENALTY

[midas_ups]

when the 6 year old daughter of the 2 people hed just needlessly killed came into the room crying, he blasted her head off, point blank, any one who could even consider that shit should burn in hell, it bad enough that the 2 adults didnt put up ANY resistemce to a robbery, but to kill a child.

I would have injected him myself.

[Guilt Ridden]

Originally posted by some pittsburgh flavor@Dec 15 2005, 02:04 AM
tookie spent something like 26 years in jail waiting to die, with 6 of those in "The Hole", in solitary confinement . He was offered the chance to get off of death row if he would just admit his guilt, but refused to confess to a crime he did not commit.Â*** Three black jurors were removed from his jury and replaced with whites, and everyone knows what an all white jury thinks about the co-founder of the crips.Â*** He did it, whatever it was.Â*** He swore to his dying day he did not commit those specific crimes and had evidence proving so.

I'm not saying Tookie never did anything wrong.Â*** He did a lot wrong, maybe just not this.Â*** Schwarzennegger had the ability to stop or even delay the death sentence but did nothing.Â*** But I mean, what can you do... how does it look defending the leader of all crips?Â*** During his time in jail, though, tookie completely, officially, and publicly renounced gang involvement and spent free time reading and writing books about gangs and how/why to avoid getting into them.Â***

I would get my ass kicked for denouncing crips at the basketball game and i'm nobody.Â*** Tookie is the co-founder of the damn gang and denounced it.Â*** That's gangster as hell in my book... you jsut called thousands and thousands of crips suckers with self-esteem and social problems and it is the truth because you invented them.

He did a lot to stop gang violence, and the years after his press conference denouncing gangs, he got all types of letters from cities like LA and surrounding areas about how people have noticed gang trouble dropping drastically, almost instantly.

I've yet to fully read all the evidence bout his innocence but I don't think anyone should really be put to death for anything.Â*** Isn't torture worse anyway?
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One of his best friends, Capone, was beaten to a pulp until he implicated Tookie in the four murders and took the stand against him. Legal documents show Capone had broken ribs and was left on the floor in a pool of his own blood the night he claimed Tookie was responsible for the 4 murders he was put to death for.

In addition to this Tookie was drugged up by Sheriffs during his initial trials and was unable to defend himself in any way.

Lastly, he started the Crips with Raymond Washington as a means of self defense against groups of thugs who were causing them problems in their area ...NOT as some gangbanging, people killing, blue bandana wearing thuggish heroes for the MTV Base generation.

Fuck Arnie the racist, fuck the death penalty and fuck America.

[dicegameTron]

TOOKIE IS JUST ANOTHER NIGGER IN JAIL. FUCK THAT GOON. IF HE SHOT YOUR BROTHER OR DAD YOU FAKE INTERNET THUGS WOULD BE SINGIN A NEW TUNE.

[dicegameTron]

http://www.swt.bz/divers/mensurations-ideales/arnold-schwarzenegger-big.jpg

ARNOLD CRUSHES TOOKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dicegameTron]

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/lethal-injection-sanquentin2.jpg BYE BYE TOOKIE!

[INDIAN]

I DONT KNOW WHATS FUNNIER THE FACT THAT LAME ASS NET THUGS ARE TRYING TO MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A VICTIM, WHEN ALL HE EVER DID WAS VICTIMIZE PEOPLE AND LIVE OF FEAR AND MISERY OF THE SAME POOR AREA WHERE HE WAS "FORCED" TO START THE GANG, NO I THINK THE KID IN NEW ZEALAND THE HOME OF THE BODYBAG IS BETTER TRYING TO PROVE THERE ARE GANGS THERE, KID YOUR SUCH A TOOL YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SPOT IN THE SHED, LOCK IT UP BUDDY.

[12:02p.m]

Originally posted by dicegameTron@Dec 15 2005, 07:39 AM
TOOKIE IS JUST ANOTHER NIGGER IN JAIL. FUCK THAT GOON. IF HE SHOT YOUR BROTHER OR DAD YOU FAKE INTERNET THUGS WOULD BE SINGIN A NEW TUNE.
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exactly!

you make like your all hard and shit, but when it came down to it, if it was your parents/brother or sister....youd want him to burn in hell.

and 408playa cut that e gangster shit out....your prolly some little computer dork
real gangstas dont go on the computer

[otto dix]

this reminds me of shit that happens here on a local level. for instance, some dude around here was known for going out drinking and he would bring his posse and they would just beat the fuck outta people for no reason. steal shit from cool people,etc. you know....real shitbags. the dude OD's and is dead. all these people: RIP tattoos, all this bullshit. i was like "who cares? you want to live like an asshole, you die like an asshole" ...and people look at me like "thats fucked up, hes dead. blah blah blah". and thats coming from dudes that werent even really friends with him, but its cool to be so damn hard livin in this meathead's shadow. fuck all that.

[IRON HEAD]

RIP TOOKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[punkbitch]

Originally posted by INDIAN@Dec 15 2005, 05:07 PM
I DONT KNOW WHATS FUNNIER THE FACT THAT LAME ASS NET THUGS ARE TRYING TO MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A VICTIM, WHEN ALL HE EVER DID WAS VICTIMIZE PEOPLE AND LIVE OF FEAR AND MISERY OF THE SAME POOR AREA WHERE HE WAS "FORCED" TO START THE GANG, NO I THINK THE KID IN NEW ZEALAND THE HOME OF THE BODYBAG IS BETTER TRYING TO PROVE THERE ARE GANGS THERE, KID YOUR SUCH A TOOL YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SPOT IN THE SHED, LOCK IT UP BUDDY.
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EMO :clown:

[SirSkor4]

Haha lethal injection on a empty stomach...:beat: Even SNOOP couldnt save COOKIE...BOOKIE... TOOKIE who gives a fuck not me...

[Overtime]

ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! AH!

[dobsilla]

Originally posted by onesecondple@Dec 17 2005, 02:27 AM
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! AH!
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i think there has already been enough song references punk....haha

[krowteN]

^^what he said.

[flashabc]

"We also recognized that we live in a country which has become one of the most repressive governments in the world; repressive in communities all over the world. We did not expect such a repressive government to stand idly by while the Black Panther Party went forward to the goal of serving the people. We expected repression"




BLACK PANTHERS

[alcohol swab]

blllaaaaaaaaaat

[CACashRefund]

Originally posted by fuckin...bub@Dec 13 2005, 09:01 PM
CRIPWALK TO THIS.
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http://www.angelfire.com/crazy2/rico/images/c-walk.gif

[WhereEaglesDare]

Originally posted by flashabc@Dec 21 2005, 12:31 AM
"We also recognized that we live in a country which has become one of the most repressive governments in the world; repressive in communities all over the world. We did not expect such a repressive government to stand idly by while the Black Panther Party went forward to the goal of serving the people. We expected repression"




BLACK PANTHERS
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if you don't like it here then clear the fuck out.


Good riddance Tookie, you murderer. I hope Mumia joins you soon!

[arfadailey]

that kid from new zealand is such a weener - who the fuck boasts about gangs and shit, its good to say 'yeah we ain't got any gangs' - I bet them police were thinking they might have to give you a beating for being such a fuckin wally :haha:

[foneiz2]

tookie was a cunt

[cRXgti]

hope he died slow hahahaha

[WhiteOx]

Originally posted by BlitzOne@Dec 15 2005, 12:13 AM
http://i.pbase.com/g3/77/622077/2/53561251.PC150003.jpg

FOR YOU TOOK'S...


©RIP IN PEACE


:innocent:
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sweet, how many times did you meet him ?

[WhiteOx]

Originally posted by BlitzOne@Dec 15 2005, 12:13 AM
http://i.pbase.com/g3/77/622077/2/53561251.PC150003.jpg

^I DID LAST NITE FROM AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND IN THE MIDDLE OFF THE CITY, AND GOT CHASED BY ONE TIME AND MY BOY FOKUS FROM L.A GOT CAUGHT...


FOR YOU TOOK'S...


©RIP IN PEACE


:innocent:
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awww shit, not you again

[FREDDY KRUEGER]

Originally posted by onesecondple@Dec 14 2005, 10:12 AM
Fuck Tookie
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FUCK TOOKIE NAW MOTHERFUCKER FUCK YO WHITEBREAD ASS YEAH I MEAN WHITEBREAD!BITCH

[FREDDY KRUEGER]

Originally posted by onesecondple@Dec 16 2005, 09:27 PM
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! AH!
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MAN BITE THEEZ NUTS YOU RACIST FUCK!

[FREDDY KRUEGER]

Originally posted by onesecondple@Dec 16 2005, 09:27 PM
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! AH!
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MAN BITE THEEZ NUTS YOU RACIST FUCK!

[FREDDY KRUEGER]

Originally posted by el shit@Jan 6 2006, 04:19 AM
:burn:
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YO MAMA BITCH!

[FREDDY KRUEGER]

Originally posted by 12:02p.m+Dec 15 2005, 01:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (12:02p.m - Dec 15 2005, 01:53 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-dicegameTron@Dec 15 2005, 07:39 AM
TOOKIE IS JUST ANOTHER NIGGER IN JAIL. FUCK THAT GOON. IF HE SHOT YOUR BROTHER OR DAD YOU FAKE INTERNET THUGS WOULD BE SINGIN A NEW TUNE.
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OH YEAH WHAT YOUR ASS GOT TO SAY ABOUT THE KKK OR WHITE PEOPLE KILLING BLACK PEOPLE (OR LIKE YOU SAY THE WORD NIGGER) FUKING ASSHOLE!
exactly!

you make like your all hard and shit, but when it came down to it, if it was your parents/brother or sister....youd want him to burn in hell.

and 408playa cut that e gangster shit out....your prolly some little computer dork
real gangstas dont go on the computer
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[/b][/quote]

[conspiringone]

[quote=BlitzOne,Dec 15 2005, 12:13 AM]http://i.pbase.com/g3/77/622077/2/53561251.PC150003.jpg

FOR YOU TOOK'S...


©RIP IN PEACE


:innocent:
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RIP in peace???

[Gunm]

fuck tookie

[FREDDY KRUEGER]

Originally posted by SirSkor4@Dec 16 2005, 03:25 PM
Haha lethal injection on a empty stomach...:beat: Even SNOOP couldnt save COOKIE...BOOKIE... TOOKIE who gives a fuck not me...
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BITCH I KNOW YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK YOU RACIST SON OF A BITCH!YOU SHOULD GIVE AFUCK OR YOU ONE OF THEM RICH LIVING OFF YOUR PARENTS MONEY FAKE GANGSTA HIP HOP MOTHERFUCKERS!!

[FREDDY KRUEGER]

Originally posted by SirSkor4@Dec 16 2005, 03:25 PM
Haha lethal injection on a empty stomach...:beat: Even SNOOP couldnt save COOKIE...BOOKIE... TOOKIE who gives a fuck not me...
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BITCH I KNOW YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK YOU RACIST SON OF A BITCH!YOU SHOULD GIVE AFUCK OR YOU ONE OF THEM RICH LIVING OFF YOUR PARENTS MONEY FAKE GANGSTA HIP HOP MOTHERFUCKERS!!

[Jucerock]

I think you just upset his blackness. :(

[!@#$%]

well, with all this shit, the thread isn't really appropriate to this section of the forum.

argue somewhere else.

[Gunm]

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[/quote]
Fuck Arnie the racist, fuck the death penalty and fuck America.
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[/quote]

The why don't you get the fuck out of America then? Go live in Siberia and stop bothering the rest of us hippie.

[importantguy]

a big piece of this story that is missing amoungst all of this banter is that tookie was nomanated multiple times for nobel peace prizes, tho denied everytime tookie was still fighting for peace up untill the last days. he wrote multiple chirldrens books denouncing gang violence and gang culture. and it was him who was responsible for the early 90's gang truce between the bloods and crips.

what have you done with your life today......

oh yea bitched and made racist remarks on an internet forum, doin big things in the world.

[High Toussaint]

Originally posted by importantguy@Jan 10 2006, 06:12 PM


what have you done with your life today......

oh yea bitched and made racist remarks on an internet forum, doin big things in the world.

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better than killing someone though, right?

[iloveboxcars]

Originally posted by importantguy@Jan 10 2006, 03:12 PM
a big piece of this story that is missing amoungst all of this banter is that tookie was nomanated multiple times for nobel peace prizes, tho denied everytime tookie was still fighting for peace up untill the last days. he wrote multiple chirldrens books denouncing gang violence and gang culture. and it was him who was responsible for the early 90's gang truce between the bloods and crips.

what have you done with your life today......

oh yea bitched and made racist remarks on an internet forum, doin big things in the world.
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he was nominated by the groups that support him though. so basically that means absolutely nothing. his childrens books didn't sell for shit, so you cant really use those as a reason to not kill a man like tookie. i think his best selling book sold about 500. I'm going to take this on a grander scale for a second, lets say hitler didnt kill himself and he had to go through several years of appeals and shit before he was killed by our or someone elses government. if he wrote a bunch of anti-genocide childrens books and the kkk and several nazi groups nominated him for the nobel peace prize, would you still be making that post?

[Wire]

Originally posted by iloveboxcars+Jan 10 2006, 10:22 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iloveboxcars - Jan 10 2006, 10:22 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-importantguy@Jan 10 2006, 03:12 PM
a big piece of this story that is missing amoungst all of this banter is that tookie was nomanated multiple times for nobel peace prizes, tho denied everytime tookie was still fighting for peace up untill the last days. he wrote multiple chirldrens books denouncing gang violence and gang culture. and it was him who was responsible for the early 90's gang truce between the bloods and crips.

what have you done with your life today......

oh yea bitched and made racist remarks on an internet forum, doin big things in the world.
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he was nominated by the groups that support him though. so basically that means absolutely nothing. his childrens books didn't sell for shit, so you cant really use those as a reason to not kill a man like tookie. i think his best selling book sold about 500. I'm going to take this on a grander scale for a second, lets say hitler didnt kill himself and he had to go through several years of appeals and shit before he was killed by our or someone elses government. if he wrote a bunch of anti-genocide childrens books and the kkk and several nazi groups nominated him for the nobel peace prize, would you still be making that post?
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[/b][/quote]

dammit, I was gonna say that.

[KING BLING]

Originally posted by Wire+Jan 10 2006, 07:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wire - Jan 10 2006, 07:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by iloveboxcars@Jan 10 2006, 10:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-importantguy@Jan 10 2006, 03:12 PM
a big piece of this story that is missing amoungst all of this banter is that tookie was nomanated multiple times for nobel peace prizes, tho denied everytime tookie was still fighting for peace up untill the last days. he wrote multiple chirldrens books denouncing gang violence and gang culture. and it was him who was responsible for the early 90's gang truce between the bloods and crips.

what have you done with your life today......

oh yea bitched and made racist remarks on an internet forum, doin big things in the world.
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he was nominated by the groups that support him though. so basically that means absolutely nothing. his childrens books didn't sell for shit, so you cant really use those as a reason to not kill a man like tookie. i think his best selling book sold about 500. I'm going to take this on a grander scale for a second, lets say hitler didnt kill himself and he had to go through several years of appeals and shit before he was killed by our or someone elses government. if he wrote a bunch of anti-genocide childrens books and the kkk and several nazi groups nominated him for the nobel peace prize, would you still be making that post?
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dammit, I was gonna say that.
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Only those things are beautiful which are inspired by madness and written by reason. - Andre Gide


Its been fun having the freshman class around, but now you are permitted to leave - I grant thee a pardon...

[gasfacevictm]

Originally posted by otto dix@Dec 15 2005, 02:52 PM
this reminds me of shit that happens here on a local level. for instance, some dude around here was known for going out drinking and he would bring his posse and they would just beat the fuck outta people for no reason. steal shit from cool people,etc. you know....real shitbags. the dude OD's and is dead. all these people: RIP tattoos, all this bullshit. i was like "who cares? you want to live like an asshole, you die like an asshole" ...and people look at me like "thats fucked up, hes dead. blah blah blah". and thats coming from dudes that werent even really friends with him, but its cool to be so damn hard livin in this meathead's shadow. fuck all that.
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i know exactly what you mean. kid round here robbed some house with his boy and got shot in the head after years of being a dickhead and everyone was all "we gotta go to the funeral" like fuck you that guy was an asshole. sorry he died the way he did but i ain't gonna act like i liked him cause he's dead. fuck that.

and as for tookie doing noble shit up until he died...well, good for him but too little too late. didn't he kill a gang of people? ask their families how they feel about his contributions to the world post dead family members.

[Gunm]

Originally posted by importantguy@Jan 10 2006, 11:12 PM


what have you done with your life today......

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Making a lot of money at my full-on white person job so i can go back to japan in march thanks.

Tookie the hero, Tookie the peacemaker, Tookie the saint

Tookie who shotgunned a bunch of people to death. Tookie who founded a criminal gang that still blights vast sections of urban areas today. Tookie who probably ordered hits on countless people.

Yeah, he's a real hero, a real martyr for the cause.

[Stereotype V.001]

Some people Tookie greased. (http://www.ogrish.com/archives/three_victims_of_murderer_stanley_tookie_williams_ Dec_13_2005.html)

The world is a better place without him. Good riddance.

[gasfacevictm]

yeah see, they never show that shit on the news with their clemmency requests. burn in hell godfather.

[dumy]

Originally posted by el shit@Jan 6 2006, 04:19 AM
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wow, can we get a ban over here?

yeah.

[yum]

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/lethal-injection-sanquentin2.jpg

man that picture is so disturbing. what a horrible souless way t ogo. fuck the death penalty i dont care what someone has done. but yeah thats me speaking form an objective point of view i cant say any fuckwit has kileld anyone dear to me so maybe my tune would change.

also it seems way more inhumane to have soemone waiting for 26 years in a prison then be executed than to do it after theyve been convicted, obviously complications with appeals and shit. but do they execute people who plead guilty and are given the death penalty soon after conviction or what?

[Soup]

Originally posted by dicegameTron@Dec 15 2005, 03:47 PM
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/lethal-injection-sanquentin2.jpg BYE BYE TOOKIE!
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Some criminals write books and get the death penalty while others write books and get nobel peace prizes. Money gets you everywhere, sucks for him to be on the black side of the economy.

http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1994/arafat.gif

[angelofdeath]

i'll repost "iloveboxcars" post from the past page....

"he was nominated by the groups that support him though. so basically that means absolutely nothing. his childrens books didn't sell for shit, so you cant really use those as a reason to not kill a man like tookie. i think his best selling book sold about 500. I'm going to take this on a grander scale for a second, lets say hitler didnt kill himself and he had to go through several years of appeals and shit before he was killed by our or someone elses government. if he wrote a bunch of anti-genocide childrens books and the kkk and several nazi groups nominated him for the nobel peace prize, would you still be making that post? "

[Lassie Mavin]

Fuck Tookie
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FUCK TOOKIE NAW MOTHERFUCKER FUCK YO WHITEBREAD ASS YEAH I MEAN WHITEBREAD!BITCH
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ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! AH!
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MAN BITE THEEZ NUTS YOU RACIST FUCK!
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ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! AH!
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MAN BITE THEEZ NUTS YOU RACIST FUCK!
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tookie was a fucking nigger sack of shit....... :burn:
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YO MAMA BITCH!
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TOOKIE IS JUST ANOTHER NIGGER IN JAIL. FUCK THAT GOON. IF HE SHOT YOUR BROTHER OR DAD YOU FAKE INTERNET THUGS WOULD BE SINGIN A NEW TUNE.
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OH YEAH WHAT YOUR ASS GOT TO SAY ABOUT THE KKK OR WHITE PEOPLE KILLING BLACK PEOPLE (OR LIKE YOU SAY THE WORD NIGGER) FUKING ASSHOLE!
exactly!

you make like your all hard and shit, but when it came down to it, if it was your parents/brother or sister....youd want him to burn in hell.

and 408playa cut that e gangster shit out....your prolly some little computer dork
real gangstas dont go on the computer
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Haha lethal injection on a empty stomach...:beat: Even SNOOP couldnt save COOKIE...BOOKIE... TOOKIE who gives a fuck not me...
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BITCH I KNOW YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK YOU RACIST SON OF A BITCH!YOU SHOULD GIVE AFUCK OR YOU ONE OF THEM RICH LIVING OFF YOUR PARENTS MONEY FAKE GANGSTA HIP HOP MOTHERFUCKERS!!
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Haha lethal injection on a empty stomach...:beat: Even SNOOP couldnt save COOKIE...BOOKIE... TOOKIE who gives a fuck not me...
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BITCH I KNOW YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK YOU RACIST SON OF A BITCH!YOU SHOULD GIVE AFUCK OR YOU ONE OF THEM RICH LIVING OFF YOUR PARENTS MONEY FAKE GANGSTA HIP HOP MOTHERFUCKERS!!
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CORNBREAD ASS MOTHER FUCKIN HOE BITCH. WHATS YOUR DEAL, YOU AINT SHIT, AND IF YOU WERE, NO BODY WOULD KNOW CUZ YOU SOME LAME MOTHERFUCK ASS CUNT HIDING ON SOME WEBSITE. FREDDY KRUEGER MY FUCKIN ASS BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH

[gasfacevictm]

he's still dead.

[SirSkor4]

Haha lethal injection on a empty stomach...:beat: Even SNOOP couldnt save COOKIE...BOOKIE... TOOKIE who gives a fuck not me...
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BITCH I KNOW YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK YOU RACIST SON OF A BITCH!YOU SHOULD GIVE AFUCK OR YOU ONE OF THEM RICH LIVING OFF YOUR PARENTS MONEY FAKE GANGSTA HIP HOP MOTHERFUCKERS!!
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CORNBREAD ASS MOTHER FUCKIN HOE BITCH. WHATS YOUR DEAL, YOU AINT SHIT, AND IF YOU WERE, NO BODY WOULD KNOW CUZ YOU SOME LAME MOTHERFUCK ASS CUNT HIDING ON SOME WEBSITE. FREDDY KRUEGER MY FUCKIN ASS BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH
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[/quote]

Hahaha... I found no reason to respond to this idiot... With his run-on sentences...

[FREDDY KRUEGER]

Fuck Tookie
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FUCK TOOKIE NAW MOTHERFUCKER FUCK YO WHITEBREAD ASS YEAH I MEAN WHITEBREAD!BITCH
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ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! AH!
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MAN BITE THEEZ NUTS YOU RACIST FUCK!
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ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! AH!
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MAN BITE THEEZ NUTS YOU RACIST FUCK!
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tookie was a fucking nigger sack of shit....... :burn:
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YO MAMA BITCH!
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TOOKIE IS JUST ANOTHER NIGGER IN JAIL. FUCK THAT GOON. IF HE SHOT YOUR BROTHER OR DAD YOU FAKE INTERNET THUGS WOULD BE SINGIN A NEW TUNE.
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OH YEAH WHAT YOUR ASS GOT TO SAY ABOUT THE KKK OR WHITE PEOPLE KILLING BLACK PEOPLE (OR LIKE YOU SAY THE WORD NIGGER) FUKING ASSHOLE!
exactly!

you make like your all hard and shit, but when it came down to it, if it was your parents/brother or sister....youd want him to burn in hell.

and 408playa cut that e gangster shit out....your prolly some little computer dork
real gangstas dont go on the computer
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Haha lethal injection on a empty stomach...:beat: Even SNOOP couldnt save COOKIE...BOOKIE... TOOKIE who gives a fuck not me...
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BITCH I KNOW YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK YOU RACIST SON OF A BITCH!YOU SHOULD GIVE AFUCK OR YOU ONE OF THEM RICH LIVING OFF YOUR PARENTS MONEY FAKE GANGSTA HIP HOP MOTHERFUCKERS!!
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Haha lethal injection on a empty stomach...:beat: Even SNOOP couldnt save COOKIE...BOOKIE... TOOKIE who gives a fuck not me...
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BITCH I KNOW YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK YOU RACIST SON OF A BITCH!YOU SHOULD GIVE AFUCK OR YOU ONE OF THEM RICH LIVING OFF YOUR PARENTS MONEY FAKE GANGSTA HIP HOP MOTHERFUCKERS!!
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CORNBREAD ASS MOTHER FUCKIN HOE BITCH. WHATS YOUR DEAL, YOU AINT SHIT, AND IF YOU WERE, NO BODY WOULD KNOW CUZ YOU SOME LAME MOTHERFUCK ASS CUNT HIDING ON SOME WEBSITE. FREDDY KRUEGER MY FUCKIN ASS BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH
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BITCH YO MAMA MOTHERFUCKER WITH HER UGLY ASS YEAH IM CLLING YO CRACKER ASS OUT BITCH IF YO WHITE KKK ASS IS GONNA TALK SHIT I AM TOO !! CAUSE I KNOW YO WHITE ASS AINT GONNA DO SHIT BITCH ! CAUSE IF ICATCH YO RACIST ASS IM GONNA HANG YO ASS UP SIDE DOWN AND CUT YOU OPEN LIKE A SLAUGHTERED DEER YOU FUCKING ASS RABBIT! GANSTA GRILLZ YOU BASTARD!

[imported_Tesseract]

Ok, chill out with that shit.

[FREDDY KRUEGER]

Originally posted by Tesseract@Jan 20 2006, 08:10 AM
Ok, chill out with that shit.
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LOOK IF YOUR ASS AINT gonna say shit bout these racist asss crackers talkin all this racist fuckshit ima say somthin before i do somthin....GANGSTA GRILLZ YOU BASTARDS!

[John Birch]

free tookie!!!!

[KaBar2]

Tookie murdered a bunch of people in cold blood, for nothing, during a pathetic cheap-ass armed robbery. One of his crime partners asked him why he shot one of the clerks, and Tookie answered that he killed him because he was white.

You're calling the wrong person "racist." It's Tookie that was a murderous racist.

I'm not impressed by all the "faux gangsta" insults. I'm not even impressed by real gangsters, much less internet gangsters.

I will say this. If there are any genuine white racists on here, you are on the wrong forum. Best go find a racist website and quit wasting your time on 12 Oz. You can tell if someone is a real racist or not by applying the "O.J. Test."

1.) If you think O.J. was probably guilty, and got off only because the L.A. government was afraid of another Rodney King riot, you are not a racist. You are just a regular person.

2.) If you think O.J. was probably guilty, but you could not care less that he beat the rap, because Nicole Brown Simpson deserved what she got for being a disgusting race traitor, then you are a genuine racist.

3.) If you think O.J. was probably innocent, and he only lost the civil case because he's black and Ron Goldman's family is white, you are not a racist, you are just a regular person.

4.) If you think O.J. was probably innocent, and he only lost the civil case because Ron Goldman's family is Jewish, and so was the judge, and so were several members of the jury, and the supervisor of the District Attorney, then you are a genuine racist.

Be honest. No cheating.

[John Birch]

I'm a genuine racist I guess....

[KING BLING]

Originally posted by KaBar2@Jan 21 2006, 12:06 AM


4.) If you think O.J. was probably innocent, and he only lost the civil case because Ron Goldman's family is Jewish, and so was the judge, and so were several members of the jury, and the supervisor of the District Attorney, then you are a genuine racist.

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So, I hope all the Jewish OJ trivia isn't real consdering the purpose of your quote...

[MRDOZE]

Originally posted by KING BLING+Jan 21 2006, 05:45 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KING BLING - Jan 21 2006, 05:45 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-KaBar2@Jan 21 2006, 12:06 AM


4.)Â*** If you think O.J. was probably innocent, and he only lost the civil case because Ron Goldman's family is Jewish, and so was the judge, and so were several members of the jury, and the supervisor of the District Attorney, then you are a genuine racist.

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So, I hope all the Jewish OJ trivia isn't real consdering the purpose of your quote...
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[/b][/quote]


this topic is one of the most interesting reads ever.
didnt know alot of this stuff that you guys are reporting, all we heard here is that he was going to be executed, and the only thing that could save him was arny, and that they had trained together back in the day.
but then arny said no. rip tookie i suppose.

[bobthemothafuckinbuilder]

He started one of the most notorious street gangs known to this country. Do you know anythign about the fucking street? Do you think people are gunna follow you and listen to you if you are some pussy ass bitch? This guy probably killed more people than you can count on your fingers. Rot in Hell mothafucka. Waste on fucking society.

[qantas baggage handler]

the bloke started the crips, and IM SURE killed a bunch of people, got a lot of kids messed up on drugs and is responsible for a lot of people having the fuck bashed out of them. and its not like its just an LA thing - the crips are intercontinental - so now theyre giving grief to people across the world.

to go back on what he create and and say "wow, i fucked up. gangs arnt cool guys, pit up pot pourrie" isnt going to make everyone stop.

although he probably would of been better off working against what he created for the rest of his life in a cell. they decided hed be more usefull dead.

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by FREDDY KRUEGER+Jan 21 2006, 01:54 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FREDDY KRUEGER - Jan 21 2006, 01:54 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Tesseract@Jan 20 2006, 08:10 AM
Ok, chill out with that shit.
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LOOK IF YOUR ASS AINT gonna say shit bout these racist asss crackers talkin all this racist fuckshit ima say somthin before i do somthin....GANGSTA GRILLZ YOU BASTARDS!
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[/b][/quote]

i agree that the racism in this thread is disgusting
i'm not censoring the vast majority of it because at least some sort of [brutally] honest dialogue is happening here

however, i'm not so sure where this is going
or if anyone is actually going to get something out of this thread.

people need to cool the fuck out on the racial epithets
there are plenty of ways to describe a despicable human being that don't involve their race.
race is a poorly understood characteristic, as well as one of the most obvious, of a human being..i personally think that anyone who wants to use racial epithets should have to have thier own DNA tested to see their own racial origins. they are not always dictated just by the skin color of a person. the more you learn about genetics, the more you know that there is no genetic basis to race.

i hope this discussion goes back to the death penalty, and whether the so called redeemed foudner of a violent gang should have been subjected to it, considering all the racist implications of the united states justice system

[YourSistersAssCookie]

This is a funny thread.
That dude is dead and fucking idiots are still defending what he did like he is innocent.
Howcome when someone is sentenced to death for their crime
after they are executed they are looked at like heros not fucking losers
Regardless of race fucking idiots turn shit into racial non sense.
Damn Freddy what was he your Father or someshit?
Man the fuck up and get over it.
Bitch

[~KRYLON2~]

america is fucked up

[Ishbel Bullen]

well put

[IzacFour]

Originally posted by KING BLING+Jan 11 2006, 02:25 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KING BLING - Jan 11 2006, 02:25 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Wire@Jan 10 2006, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by iloveboxcars@Jan 10 2006, 10:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-importantguy@Jan 10 2006, 03:12 PM
a big piece of this story that is missing amoungst all of this banter is that tookie was nomanated multiple times for nobel peace prizes, tho denied everytime tookie was still fighting for peace up untill the last days. he wrote multiple chirldrens books denouncing gang violence and gang culture. and it was him who was responsible for the early 90's gang truce between the bloods and crips.

what have you done with your life today......

oh yea bitched and made racist remarks on an internet forum, doin big things in the world.
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he was nominated by the groups that support him though. so basically that means absolutely nothing. his childrens books didn't sell for shit, so you cant really use those as a reason to not kill a man like tookie. i think his best selling book sold about 500. I'm going to take this on a grander scale for a second, lets say hitler didnt kill himself and he had to go through several years of appeals and shit before he was killed by our or someone elses government. if he wrote a bunch of anti-genocide childrens books and the kkk and several nazi groups nominated him for the nobel peace prize, would you still be making that post?
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dammit, I was gonna say that.
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Only those things are beautiful which are inspired by madness and written by reason. - Andre Gide


Its been fun having the freshman class around, but now you are permitted to leave - I grant thee a pardon...
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Fuck gide and all his wine swilling, new romantic, jerk friends.

Fuck tookie, murder is murder. Dude was too stupid to get away with it. I like to be able to walk home and not have to worry about being shot for my sneakers.

Fuck martyrdom.

[Ishbel Bullen]

as i saw above, hes dead. closed.

[grc]

^agreed

[Milton]

People who plead generally don't get the chair....

[Ishbel Bullen]

once again, people who dont kill innocent people in botched robberies dont get the chair. now finally, closed. exit stage left. fini

[grc]

this shits still going?

old news

[TRAIN_STYLER_ONE]

fukn have some respect for the dead you dicks.
so he did some bad things, he has paid for his sins in the worst way possiable, no one can do anything to bring back the people he aleggedly killed. so stop arguing and have some respect.

[Ishbel Bullen]

hahah have respect for him?

why because Snoop Dogg supported him. naw his faggot murdering ass is probably in hell, where it should be. fuck yourself

[TRAIN_STYLER_ONE]

Originally posted by Ishbel Bullen@Mar 1 2006, 08:27 AM
hahah have respect for him?

why because Snoop Dogg supported him. naw his faggot murdering ass is probably in hell, where it should be. fuck yourself
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as i said, resect for the dead.
no matter who it is and who they new.

and fuck toys who think otherwise, if you dont respect the dead then you will get no respect in return. how many people do you know who hang shit on the dead and are praized for it?

that type of shit just causes trouble.

[Dr. Dazzle]

Slobodan Milosevic just died, let's respect him because he's dead too!

And Hitler while were at it!

[Gunm]

Originally posted by TRAIN_STYLER_ONE@Feb 28 2006, 07:22 AM
fukn have some respect for the dead you dicks.
so he did some bad things, he has paid for his sins in the worst way possiable, no one can do anything to bring back the people he aleggedly killed. so stop arguing and have some respect.
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Respect is earned, not given

That man did nothing to earn my respect...

[Ishbel Bullen]

naw man TRAIN STYLER ONE is a fresh MC graff tag bboy specialist, listen to what he says. when he says respect someone: by golly youd better fuckin do it!

[KaBar2]

Tookie wasn't just executed for the murders of his helpless victims, whom he shot to death while hey begged for their lives. He was executed for the THOUSANDS of murders, rapes, armed robberies, tons of drugs dealt to children and all the rest of the horror for which he is partially responsible, as one of the founding members of the Crips.

The Ku Klux Klan in their entire hate-filled murderous history could not possibly have killed even one hundredth as many black and minority kids as have the Crips and the Bloods.

FUCK GANGSTERS TO THE HILT. There is NOTHING cool about being a murderous, anti-social leech on society. The people of the U.S. are perfectly justified in hunting each and every one of them down like the little rat-turd sickos they are. The ONLY thing that saves them is that the rest of society is too decent and law-abiding to do what should be done.

We could eliminate every gangster in the entire country in one long weekend of retribution. And that includes the Mafia, all the stupid fucking prison gangs, the 1%er motorcycle clubs, the street gangs and all the rest of organized crime. The only reason they are not afraid is because our government has become completely gutless and pussified and just lets thugs and assholes do whatever the fuck they want.

Well, here's what I believe. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If gangsters can murder innocent people for no reason WHATSOEVER, then the honest people of the world can bring the war home to the gangsters. Sick motherfuckers. Hang every sonofabitch that dares show gang colors or do ANYTHING to interfere with the honest people of the world going about their law abiding lives. They think they are so fucking hard---let's see how hard they are while kicking their lives away on the end of a rope. These stupid little drive-by cowards think that the honest people of the world are incapable of bringing them to justice. Well, they are absolutely fucking WRONG. We are not incapable at all. Just presently unwilling.

[imported_Tesseract]

Kabar just used 'honest people' 6 times in one paragraph. There are full medical reports for shit like that.

[KaBar2]

I find it pretty amazing that you focus on how many times I used the words "honest people" and gloss over the fact that a worthless shithook like Tookie Willliams shot several innocent people to death for no reason whatsoever. Where is that mentioned in the medical reports?

What, Tookie Williams couldn't have become a successfull, honest businessman instead? He couldn't have become a decent, normal politician representing his neighborhood? He couldn't have become a psychologist or a social worker? A doctor? How about an employer of ANY kind?

Tookie Williams chose to become one of the founders of a murderous, predatory criminal conspiracy. Fuck him. I hope he's roasting in Hell this very instant along with all he other dead gangsters that preceded him and followed him.

NO RESPECT. NONE. He's a fucking rat-turd shitheel whose hate-filled, antisocial choices led to the deaths of thousands of teenagers and young adults, and have done more to destroy real community and opportunity for the neighborhood that he came from than 99% of the people living there. There is absolutely no justification for what he has done. He got exactly what he deserved.

[imported_Tesseract]

I'm pointing out how many times you said 'honest people' cause really, after so much time here reading your stuff, i know exactly what you mean. You mean full of hate, gunpacking, scared folks that just because the law system can cover for them, they can do whatever attrocity they will as long as they feel they're doing 'god's work'. Your KKK remark is a clear example of your selective thinking that is beyond any level of actually having a dialogue on.
If i have to say anything, i'd say that nomatter what Tookie Williams was and how we judge him, you sound extremelly full of hate.
Yeah, thats my point

[Ishbel Bullen]

this thread has now become a place to raise my post count. WHAT WHAT!

[CLEMENZA]

KaBar2, youre talking all this hate against the gang members and street life which you probably has no connection with or understanding of, you just sound like some wannabe hardcore geek preachin about retribution and shit, You probably got jumped for your lunch money when you were a kid, go preach that on the block. The revolution needs to come from the streets and the people who are consistenly fucked over.

[soulkillers]

Originally posted by CLEMENZA@Mar 21 2006, 10:10 AM
KaBar2, youre talking all this hate against the gang members and street life which you probably has no connection with or understanding of, you just sound like some wannabe hardcoreÂ*** geek preachin about retribution and shit, You probably got jumped for your lunch money when you were a kid, go preach that on the block. The revolution needs to come from the streets and the people who are consistenly fucked over.
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yoyu cant judge someone by what the type but you can judge a man by his life.. man spends half his time bulding a reputaion and the other half trying to run from it. tokkie was no saint and never shown remorse 4 his actions. he was on death row for a reason his death saves me some of my tax paying money. and if he was a white guy on death row who did the same shitty ass books like him u would never even heard of him.besides more whites on the row then any other race..

[Gunm]

Originally posted by CLEMENZA@Mar 21 2006, 06:10 PM
KaBar2, youre talking all this hate against the gang members and street life which you probably has no connection with or understanding of,

The revolution needs to come from the streets and the people who are consistenly fucked over.
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fuck tookie

[Lonesome Cowboy Bill]

free tookie!!!

[KaBar2]

Not that it has anything to do with Tookie Williams the Racist Murderer, but "No" I was never robbed of my lunch money in school, because I would fight anybody anytime who wanted to fuck with me, regardless of size or age. In the second grade, I cold-cocked a sixth grader with a metal lunch kit (it had a heavy Thermos bottle inside) when he tried to "take me into custody" after school.

I fought just about every week until I got to junior high school. When I was in the seventh grade, a ninth grader tried to force me to give him a Coke that I was drinking. When I refused, he knocked it out of my hand and laughed. Just as he did this, the bell rang and everyone started for class. I was carrying a pine-and-redwood laminated skateboard deck that I made in woodshop inside my three-ring binder, under my left arm. When he turned to walk away, I pulled the skateboard deck, dropped the binder, and hit him from behind on the right side of his head with the edge of the skateboard, knocking his ass out cold as a cucumber.

I then bent down, grabbed my binder and went directly into the shop class and started working. He laid out there for several minutes before the shop teacher saw him and they took him to the school nurse. Everybody was saying "What happened, what happened, how did he get hurt?" If anybody saw me hit him, they didn't speak up. I was scared, and figured that I would be arrested by the cops any second, but nobody ever showed up. I didn't see him for a couple of days. Next time I did, he wouldn't even look at me, the fucking coward bully. Some weeks later I did see him pushing around some younger kid in the Boy's Gym locker room, but he never fucked with me again. I think he was ashamed to admit a "freshie" had knocked his sorry chickenshit coward bully ass out cold.

I was never ashamed to run if I was outnumbered, but if I knew who they were, I made up my mind to get them each and every one, one by one, alone. Sometimes I won, and sometimes I got my ass kicked, by they ALWAYS paid a price for fucking with me. Every time they got a steak, I got a sandwich. I came home all beat up many a time, but the whole school knew that Big Bad Bob got a split lip and a black eye from little seventh-grader KaBar.

In high school, I was an unpopular kid, but nobody bothered me. Everybody knew we smoked dope and drank, everybody knew we were troublemakers. I bragged about being an anarchist. My best friend (whose younger brother is now a powerful Republican politician here in Texas) once brought a baseball bat to school to take care of some bullies. He didn't catch them, but he chased them all over the front lawn of the school swinging that bat like a crazy man. They didn't fuck around with Jimmy after that. He wasn't kidding, he would have beat hem to mush.

There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between defending yourself, and becoming a predator. Tookie Williams was a PREDATOR. Adios, Tookie, you fucking shithook bully. Too bad it took so long to execute you, ASSHOLE. And I wish it hurt more.

[grc]

Originally posted by TRAIN_STYLER_ONE@Feb 27 2006, 09:22 PM
fukn have some respect for the dead you dicks.
so he did some bad things, he has paid for his sins in the worst way possiable, no one can do anything to bring back the people he aleggedly killed. so stop arguing and have some respect.
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bad things?

try terrible......people like him dont get respect

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by KaBar2@Mar 26 2006, 06:27 PM
Not that it has anything to do with Tookie Williams the Racist Murderer, but "No" I was never robbed of my lunch money in school, because I would fight anybody anytime who wanted to fuck with me, regardless of size or age. In the second grade, I cold-cocked a sixth grader with a metal lunch kit (it had a heavy Thermos bottle inside) when he tried to "take me into custody" after school.

I fought just about every week until I got to junior high school. When I was in the seventh grade, a ninth grader tried to force me to give him a Coke that I was drinking. When I refused, he knocked it out of my hand and laughed. Just as he did this, the bell rang and everyone started for class. I was carrying a pine-and-redwood laminated skateboard deck that I made in woodshop inside my three-ring binder, under my left arm. When he turned to walk away, I pulled the skateboard deck, dropped the binder, and hit him from behind on the right side of his head with the edge of the skateboard, knocking his ass out cold as a cucumber.

I then bent down, grabbed my binder and went directly into the shop class and started working. He laid out there for several minutes before the shop teacher saw him and they took him to the school nurse. Everybody was saying "What happened, what happened, how did he get hurt?" If anybody saw me hit him, they didn't speak up. I was scared, and figured that I would be arrested by the cops any second, but nobody ever showed up. I didn't see him for a couple of days. Next time I did, he wouldn't even look at me, the fucking coward bully. Some weeks later I did see him pushing around some younger kid in the Boy's Gym locker room, but he never fucked with me again. I think he was ashamed to admit a "freshie" had knocked his sorry chickenshit coward bully ass out cold.

I was never ashamed to run if I was outnumbered, but if I knew who they were, I made up my mind to get them each and every one, one by one, alone. Sometimes I won, and sometimes I got my ass kicked, by they ALWAYS paid a price for fucking with me. Every time they got a steak, I got a sandwich. I came home all beat up many a time, but the whole school knew that Big Bad Bob got a split lip and a black eye from little seventh-grader KaBar.

In high school, I was an unpopular kid, but nobody bothered me. Everybody knew we smoked dope and drank, everybody knew we were troublemakers. I bragged about being an anarchist. My best friend (whose younger brother is now a powerful Republican politician here in Texas) once brought a baseball bat to school to take care of some bullies. He didn't catch them, but he chased them all over the front lawn of the school swinging that bat like a crazy man. They didn't fuck around with Jimmy after that. He wasn't kidding, he would have beat hem to mush.

There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between defending yourself, and becoming a predator. Tookie Williams was a PREDATOR. Adios, Tookie, you fucking shithook bully. Too bad it took so long to execute you, ASSHOLE. And I wish it hurt more.
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wait,

















http://www.monkeyview.net/id/2470/default/Chuck_Norris.jpg

[grc]

whys this still going?

[KING BLING]

It is basicly a death penalty thread - don't worry about it.

Did you know France used the guillotine up until the 70's? Did you know hanging was first developed in Persia 4500 years ago - perfected by the English 500 years ago for the 200+ laws they had that warranted death as punishment?

I di-ent, but I got learned ta-day...

[Lonesome Cowboy Bill]

did you also know they executed children in England for crimes as petty as shoplifting until the 19th century?


I learned this in an arctitecture book about prisons, of All places...

[shameless self promotion]

Originally posted by Lonesome Cowboy Bill@Mar 29 2006, 11:06 AM
did you also know they executed children in England for crimes as petty as shoplifting until the 19th century?


I learned this in an arctitecture book about prisons, of All places...
Quoted post


Sweeeeeet.

[Gunm]

I can think of some children that deserve to be executed

[grc]

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[KaBar2]

The guillotine is actually more humane and ends life of condemned criminals quicker than any other method. Hanging, when done by an expert professional, renders the condemned criminal instantly unconcious, and separates the spinal cord from the brain stem, resulting in death within seconds. Hanged criminals were once left hanging for an hour, even after being pronounced dead by a physician, to ensure death.

All of the modern methods, electrocution, gas chamber and lethal injection take longer and cause more pain and discomfort than either the guillotine or hanging, but they seem "cleaner" and "less cruel" somehow than the guillotine and the rope.

Probably, the quickest and most effective is the most objectionable--a pistol shot to the back of the head. This is the preferred method of execution by our beloved trading partner, Communist China. The government makes the family PAY FOR THE CARTRIDGE used to kill their family member before they will release the body for burial.

And you guys think the death penalty states here in the U.S. are cold. LOL. That's cold, right there.

[grc]

damn

[Parklife]

naw man TRAIN STYLER ONE is a fresh MC graff tag bboy specialist, listen to what he says. when he says respect someone: by golly youd better fuckin do it!

Dope. Real convincing argument there ishbul. You really showed that you understood the point he was trying to make and demonstrated you have a far superior argument. Real hardcore.

Kabar, you said that you wished they'd take all the gangsters and mobsters and bikies and so on and kill them all. In what kind of world do you think something like that would work? That shit's a cancer, there's no way of stopping it from coming back.

[The Man with the Answers]

free tookie!!!!!!

[iloveboxcars]

he is free.

[Gunm]

fuck tookie

[Duck Butter]

^cosigned

[iloveboxcars]

he is also fucked.

[heirkb]

i dont understand how close minded you guys can be when the cops are AGAINST us too. you people hatin on tookie BLOW. a racist rich white jury gets on him and you white guys out there (sorry to generalize but its to make a point) IMAGINE YOUR PARENTS AS THE JUDGES. YOU BET YOUR UGLY FACE THAT THEY WOULD BE RACIST AND CHARGE HIM. tookie got a crappy trial, people had previous biases (in our perfectly fair US justice system) and now a HERO is frekin dead. i dont care what you say, NO RICH STUPID CAPITALIST WHITE GUY can EVER get to the youth in gangs the way tookie could. what did killing him do? ill tell you, it showed kids on the street that they had no other options but to hope to not get locked up in the "warm safety" of jail. I HATE TOOKIE HATERS because your close minded and trust the justice system. now theyre tryin save a stupid guy who hasnt helped anyone but he doesnt have the stigma (stain) of "former gangster".
peace

[prophet1]

damn, there is some really racist modafuckas on this thread, cowards.... wouldnt dare say a dam thing in my presence, Tookie IS a SOLDIER, to all tha heads outthere dont waist your time and energy tryin to convince these ignorant racists about who Tookie IS, and what his life ment to ghetto youth. They havent spend a day in the streets, yet they immitate us and try to be like us. "Fuck Tookie" NO..FUCK YOU, and everyone like you who dont know shit about what is like being born and raised in a place filled with agony. To all tha real heads keep doin ya thang ...

[angelofdeath]

do y'all have anything better to say than "yo you a racist" or "fucking capitalist pigs?"
seriously. if some of y'all had your way, ALL white people would be killed/incarcerated and everyone of any other race or ethnic group would be free reguardless of thier actions.
so who is really racist? people who want keep the rule of law or you? there is also no need to respond to this with "yo fuck you yo, you racist capitalist!"

[heirkb]

im SOOOORRRY but when you live in a white neighborhood and get stupid bastards that dont know anything calling you a terrorist and when my dad busted his ass to get out of a village to get his money while the majority of these kids' parents and ancestors havent done anything but be rich slave ownersw ho have ALWAYS had opportunities in their family ever since the US constitution started (theyd have to be hella unlucky or stupid to fail when opportunities are so easily present), white people start to get to you and ill admit it, you use reverse racism as a way to disassociate with them. of course i live around rich capitalist stupid white people who (to obviously generalize) think about themselves and their money 90% of the time so I KNOW LOTS OF GOOD WHITE GUYS but the majority that i see arent the type of people that make you proud of you rtown.

[angelofdeath]

im sorry. this is 2006. this is not 1953. minorities actually have more more preferential treatment than whites due to affirmitive action, racial quotas, etc etc. i believe in equal rights for all, SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR NONE! I happen to love this country. i sometimes hate the government, but still... the US has the balls enough to live up to its mistakes. it was the FEDERAL government who protected slavery. the central state also leveled the playing desegregating schools and passing the civil rights act. the jacobins took over the good fight and now they deam preferential treatment and reverse racism as simply "equality."

you simply cannot say that any lack of progress, low income, low test scores are because of discrimination. as i said this is 2006. prior to say... brown vs the board you might of had a case because yeah, white schools in most cases got more funding. now, how do you still explain low test scores or incomes when laws are set up to give minorities better treatment and even more opportunities than whites? let me put this in Thomas Sowells words... "if A is known to cause Z, we still cannot infer A whenever we find Z, if B, C, D, etc. also cause Z. "

[Oliver Clothesoff]

if u a gangsta what u here for -TI

[marshall tucker]

are you fucking kidding me, this guy is responsible for thousands of deaths of both white and black, this guy started a plague that will forever damage the safety and integrity of your life and your country, this guy is the recarnation of the fucking anti-christ and some people feel sorry for him. Get the fuck out of here, this man's death does not have shit to do with racism, its justice for fucking up the lives of a lot of fucking people, and damaging the progression of black people in america. This is why racism exists, because some one cries racism when this guys gets put to justice, because over his skin color the dude as a bad fucking guy. I can't say im surprised in the least to see this type of bullshit, and people whining about how he should be freed, or he's a victim of racism. but fuck get outta here, this guy encouraged others to kill others, for no legit reason, fuck this nigger.

[Flavicon]

I suggest some of you try having a conversation with elderly African Americans about race. See what they say about racism today. Everybody's gonna have a different opinion of course, but just try it.

[famous amos]

.....I can't say im surprised in the least to see this type of bullshit, and people whining about how he should be freed, or he's a victim of racism. but fuck get outta here, this guy encouraged others to kill others, for no legit reason, fuck this nigger.[/QUOTE]

http://www.flagline.com/images/shirts/confederate.jpg

that comment is a little out of hand...you should watch your epithets, some people do not take kindly to that slur

[angelofdeath]

"I suggest some of you try having a conversation with elderly African Americans about race. See what they say about racism today. Everybody's gonna have a different opinion of course, but just try it."

this is a good comment. also you'll notice a HUGE difference with rural vs urban as well as southern vs northern blacks, however the biggest divide is rural vs urban. you'd be surprised. you have guys like medger evers brother and then you have people like jesse jackson. big big difference. i dont have much in common with ghetto black folk, but some of the best people i've met/hung out with are older rural southern black folk.

[villain]

While I don't condone what Tookie did, he did become a positive force for change and a true role model for youth. Anytime there is a breakdown in the channels of power you will find ganglike activity. Ever since we won civil rights, they broke down our major gang, that was actually a positive force for social justice and change, the black panthers, things have been a slippery slope. We won our rights on paper, we became full fledged citizens, but in practice we became disenfranchised. White flight left black neighborhoods impoverished. The CIA flooded the streets with harsh street drugs, first PCP, then crack. They profit from our own destruction and splintering into gangs. Divide and conquer. That old colonial shit. You cannot look at the numbers, look at the statistics and tell me that we are equal in practice. 50% of african americans are incarcerated for 80% of drug related offenses, yet we are less than 15% of the population. We have great depression level unemployment at 12.5% nationwide, and in some areas such as New York and Cinncinnati at 50% and 65% respectively. How can you look at these sort of statistics and not see racism still in practice? It's only gone unofficial now, it's undercover. The prison industry is big business, and this is the new slavery.
Tookie may have been a killer, but killers are made, not born.
http://www.nomoreprisons.org/

[angelofdeath]

"You cannot look at the numbers, look at the statistics and tell me that we are equal in practice. "

villian, i respected you more than this.
as i said earlier in this thread... if we are talking pre civil rights era, you might of had a case. say for instance black schools got the shaft on funding. now the reverse is almost true. qualified whites cannot get into a college because of government regulations saying they have to accept a certain number of minorities reguardless of qualifications. same with employment. as the great black economist pointed out..."if A is known to cause Z, we still cannot infer A whenever we find Z, if B, C, D, etc. also cause Z. " reverse discrimination is not morally acceptable and is NOT part of the original civil rights fight.

your comment about white flight, screws your argument. so your saying because white people moved out of neighborhoods, minorities cant survive without them?

equality of result is impossible and immoral. lowering test difficulty to try to "level the playing field" is a scam. if someone were lowering test difficulty for me, i'd be down right insulted. people of low classes and bad situations have no one to blame but THEMSELVES not "the man." its easy for minorities to do so. but how do you explain whites in the same situation, if white on black racism is the reason why more blacks live in broken homes, have low unemployment etc etc?

check out larry elder, thomas sowell and walter williams on some of these subjects. the truth will amaze you.

[villain]

Yes because the vast majority of the jobs went with the whites. You know this. We shouldn't have to revisit history class because you want to take a shortcut in your argument. It was the opposite of the regentrification trends we are seeing now, with white yuppie suburban kids moving back into the cities, the influx of expensive condos, the destruction of low income housing, and hence, the displacement of lower income people, who often happen to be minority. How does that screw my argument? It's the economic reality. What I want to know is how you can essentially say "I support white flight and segregation, if minorities can't survive, fuck them."

Granted, affirmative action is not a perfect solution, but it is better than nothing. And it's not like there are no whites on skid row either... I never said that. You sound like you are taking a defensive position. If you want to blame someone for your own struggles in life as what I'm presuming to be a poor white man, you should blame the elite class that is absorbing practically 90% of the nations wealth, not imperfect but good hearted reform efforts designed to help people clearly suffering.

[angelofdeath]

"How does that screw my argument?"

it screws your argument because there is no state sanctioned 'racism' to speak of anymore unless you want to count quotas, busing, and affirmative action, and minority set asides. you'er saying that minorites cannot survive without whites. you're saying that minorities cannot survive by themselves. i do not support state sanctioned segregation, but i damn sure support someone wanting to live where they want to live. when the State starts telling me where i can and cannot live or starts setting up communities to better allow "opportunity" then we have a problem.

what is stopping minorities from starting thier own businesses and/or getting better paying jobs? affirmative action is set up to give minorities more of a free pass than whites. what is the deal? the only thing holding anyone back in 2006 is themselves, not "the man."

""I support white flight and segregation, if minorities can't survive, fuck them." "
as for this line...
in a free society where liberty is present, no one is to support anyone against thier will. no one has an obligation to help anyone if they dont want to. what you are recommending is socialism and a totally central planned society. this is SLAVERY. a slave to the State who supposedly will tell everyone what to do, how to do it, and everyone will be 'equal.'
in a free society, i also have the option to help anyone i want to. if i want buy some guy making minimum wage a house, i have that right. if i want to give him food, i have that right. the moment the government starts coercing its people to do this, houston, we have a problem.

i dont blame anyone for my "stuggles." if i am to blame anyone for any misfortunes i have, i will blame myself, not some elite class or racism. capitalism is not the most flawless system, but it is the closest thing the world will ever get to having a flawless system. it centers around freedom, and lack of government coercion. this coercion is a threat to everyone's liberty. you must work to eat. the welfare state is immoral and coercive. who is to say government is the best candidate for the job? private organizations and churches, etc have done more to better bad conditions for poor people than any government program. trillions of dollars have been wasted and the percent of poverty in this country hasnt changed, at all. to me, if something isnt working, its time to abolish it. time for plan B. its not time to pull some keynesian type spending.

as one of my hero's, the radical individualist albert jay nock points out, the welfare state and reliance on a central state for everything creates a dependent and entitlement mindset. before the new deal it was common for other people to help other people. it was common for large donations to be given to organizations to help the poor and unfortunate. now with the coercive welfare state in place, and property being taken from one individual to give to another, people have the mindset that the government owes them something. the practice of today is not to help the guy asking for something to eat or a quarter, but to tell him to look to the State for help, because they already took the quarter to the guy who wants food.

it just warms my heart to see that the anarchists of today are preaching reliance on the State. its sort of like how conservatives are now preaching empire and big government, liberals are preaching socialism when a century ago they were preaching what is called libertarianism today. i guess everything changes.

[villain]

I'm only an anarchist insofar as I don't claim to be an authority. I believe ideas should change and adapt to reflect new information and events. My opinions only reflect my own opinions. I do not claim to be an expert, espousing authority in official capacity. If I were then more words would be more carefully chosen and I'd actually give a shit about it because I'd be making money while I was at it. When I find time to reflect on issues, I do it out of compassion. I have no interest in forwarding any sort of agenda, I do not benefit from that.

It's funny how you guys always come back with the same things. Individualism, self-responsibility, etc. etc. Even if I wasn't talking about anything remotely of the sort you find a way to work that into the subject. lol. And guns. lololol. I do not advocate dependency on a big centralized government. I adhere to the ancient adage of "Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime." I'm not interested in handouts and I deplore laziness. I have a strong work ethic, and I come from what is now a blue collar minority in america. I've had jobs that would make most kids these days run home crying to mommy and daddy. You are only projecting your beliefs into the world if you think I support handouts. I am in favor of affirmative action because it creates opportunities that can empower people and hence create wealth and opportunity for others. I would in fact be totally in favor of free higher education and free health care and the like. If that seems statist to you, then so be it. I see it as creating assets of people rather than detriments. Unless you grew up as a minority, surrounded in poverty, and have been discriminated against, and criminalized I don't think you will understand my frustration when I hear "what is keeping minorities from owning their own businesses and getting better jobs?" Yeah mcdonalds is really a great opportunity for upwardly mobile individuals. If you can even get a job. Living paycheck to paycheck. Do you have any idea what this feels like? I'm guessing not. I keep getting images of right wingers as either white people who are mad because they see their taxes going to support black people on welfare, or white business owners looking for easy bucks and tax breaks.

You know I love freedom too. I also think capitalism was a good system. WAS. The problem is that the capital has been capitalized and now it's no better than Stalinism. Everything was fine and dandy when someone could go out and realize their own potential and carve your own niche out of the world based on what you put into it. It's not a free country anymore. Everything is owned and monopolized or it's on it's way there. We are going to keep losing jobs to increased efficiency and outsourcing. That includes you too, unless you are in that ever shrinking elite business class. Hell, even our government is so corrupted by private power, special interests, powerful monied lobbies, we are turning into a corporatist/fascist state right before our very own eyes. Which is why I can hardly understand how people like you can have such devotion to an ideology that will ultimately destroy you. Maybe you think the idea of your employer replacing you with a displaced, half-starved 8 year old in Indo-China is an admirable show of individual will power and self determination. I don't. Sure it sounds great, that protestant work ethic that made america strong, that rugged individualism.... It's all just a bunch of empty rhetoric to me. I've lived that ideology. It doesn't work because I can assure you my potential has always been much greater than where I've been in life. I am actually greatly offended by my own wasted potential and demeaned existence. I deplore laziness as much as anyone. I also think alot of americans are spoiled and have a sense of entitlement (I am certainly not one of them!). I've heard all these arguments before, and I can assure you I'm not in the typical liberal position either. I feel that minorities (well maybe not asians and jews lol), and the poor, and working poor (of any color!) are getting shrifted, and lack opportunity. I not only have real world experience to support this but lots of studying I have done over the years. Fact, most jobs over the last three decades have been dead-end, low stability, high-turnover jobs. Fact, real wages (adjusted for inflation) have been in decline for the past 3 decades and is now half what it once was.
Make no mistake about it, they will "increase productivity" by increasing your work load until they can find a way to replace you altogether. A system based on maximizing profits cannot be sustained in the real world.
I've been thinking about starting a labor/economics thread, I just haven't gotten around to it. That way we could leave Tookie alone to RIP.

In the mean time you should read about the RICH economy, we can all be rich:
http://www.whywork.org/rethinking/whywork/rawilson.html
Here's a history on the working and leisure class in western culture... very interesting:
http://www.whywork.org/rethinking/leisure/russell.html
And from the greatest engineer of the century, Bucky Fuller:
"Making cash scarce to keep it valuable, by making those who have it fear the miserable state of those who do not, is a coercive system, not a freedom-loving one."
http://www.whywork.org/rethinking/leisure/bucky.html

[villain]

I have found a super secret chart that PROVES we are being controlled by an alien race of reptilians bent on using us as slave labor until they can create a fully automated society where we will be REPLACED by robots. This chart was put together by the most advanced mathematical algorithms, plotting our most likely course into the future.
http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/images/robots/robots%20superior%20to%20humans.jpg
DON"T YOU GET IT!!! They are going to destroy us for profits and when they are done exploiting our resources move onto another planet! AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[angelofdeath]

see, the reason why i refer to you as a statist is because you are talking down on anyone that doesnt believe in the State. you are degrading anyone who doesnt want to pay into a welfare system. anyone who doesnt want to pay into social security. you are referring to capitalism as a failure. you are saying anything laissez faire doesnt work. then you preach about the good qualities of the State (in your opinion) likes its affirmitive action laws. you dont think people can pursue thier own happiness (private property) without direct government control.

im not comfortable with your argument about all the wealth being in one class. nothing is holding anyone back, except thier own actions. if you are worried about wealth all being concentrated in one area, worry about socialism. the government controls all money and industry. in our system, we have an endless supply of money, from the FED. they print money at will. capitalism will not fail. it will not bring an end to me or anyone else.
i like to stand by this:
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. " - Thomas Jefferson

[angelofdeath]

i just read thomas sowell the great black economist's newest column... this stuck out:

"The greatest danger to the liberal vision are facts about the consequences of liberalism itself and the laws, policies, and ways of life that the left has spawned.
That the black family, which survived centuries of slavery and generations of discrimination, has disintegrated in the wake of the liberal welfare state is only one example.
Liberals have been driven to the desperate expedient of attributing this and other social pathology in today's ghettos to "a legacy of slavery" -- even though black children grew up with two parents more often under slavery than today.
Blacks only a generation or two out of slavery also had higher rates of employment and lower rates of crime than today.
The illogic of the "legacy of slavery" argument only illustrates the desperate attempt to salvage the liberal vision.
The very people who argue this way would never be guilty of such illogic in discussing something that was not such a threat to their vision.
One of the most telling examples of the social destructiveness of the left's welfare-state vision can be found among the white slum dwellers in Britain described in the brilliant and insightful book "Life at the Bottom" by Theodore Dalrymple.
There it is not possible to blame social degeneracy on slavery, racism or any of the other things cited as causes of the behavior and consequences found among blacks in American slums. Yet the results are virtually identical, right down to children beating up classmates for trying to get an education.
The vision of the left, full of envy and resentment, takes its worst toll on those at the bottom -- whether black or white -- who find in that paranoid vision an excuse for counterproductive and ultimately self-destructive attitudes and behavior."

[Some1]

ooooooooooo snap

[villain]

I swear to god this is like having a one way conversation... I see you are going to say what you are going to say regardless. Did I say I support the welfare state? I'm not degrading anyone who doesn't want to pay into welfare or social security. No. I said we need to give people more than a handout, we need to give people opportunity. We need to make wealth generate itself, instead of burning it so people can just get by. I wouldn't say it's so much a legacy of slavery as it is a legacy of racism. Sure slavery ended, but without opportunity, and being denied opportunity how are the vast majority of ethnic minorities supposed to rise out of the poverty that is our legacy? Something is wrong with a society where the military is what is driving minorities into the middle class. Not career opportunities. Not colleges. We may not have a legal draft but the phrase "Go to war or go to jail" still rings true. And yes, I know there are similar problems in white slums. I've said many times that this is not so much a race issue as a class issue. And that's pretty much all I ever hear from you guys. We don't like welfare, we don't want to pay taxes on that shit, we don't like affirmative action... blah blah blah. So what do you propose we do about all these things? Or is it nothing? You just want to cut and cut and to hell with the people who suffer. It's all because of our attitude right? We think the world owes us a favor so we can be lazy good-for-nothings. WHY DO I KEEP HEARING THIS SHIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN? Do you think people LIKE living in poverty? LIKE being uneducated and lacking opportunity? LIKE being criminalized? LIKE having our media flooded with negative role models? LIKE having our streets flooded with drugs? I am not happy with status quo either. The right thinks the answer to everything is to cut, cut, cut, and deregulate everything. Then who is going to protect us from the powerful??? Noone. You have opened the floodgates of hell, so all those who worship mammon can pillage and plunder freely. It's the end of the world as we know it.
And all of the wealth is being concentrated into one class. You mean to tell me you don't see anything unusual about the wealth distribution? I find that hard to believe.

[iloveboxcars]

^people have opportunity...

my parents came over here when both of them were about 20 years old. not knowing a word of english. for the first 14/15 years of my life i grew up on the salary of a security guard and a cashier. both of them went to school slowly but surely and are both now making 6 figures. yeah.

[The Man with the Answers]

free tookie!!!!!!!!

[iloveboxcars]

he is free.

[Gunm]

Fuck Tookie

[B_As_In_Bot]

So much bickering..When we could all really be discussing how to overthrow the government and not have to ever worry about who did what, and how they should be dealt with/ who should have dealt with them..
Just do it, destroy everything the government has tainted the land with..Well never worry about it again.:scrambled:

Tookie was no doubt born to be a warlord in his later life..He got there, now he has put down to sleep.

How many kids did he have anyway? Id be wary of them too..The Tookie Gene-Child is coming to take your daughter away. and thats the REAL DEAL.

[Hashassian]

g's up hoes down if that bitch cant swim she bound to dizzownd.

[ElGringo]

RIP TOOKIE

[nino1]

alot of people talkin alot of big shit about tookie. tookie's a hero, i don't care how many deaths, black or white (and they were mostly black) he was responsible for. if you stand up to the police and society to protect or better those around you who have been the victim of subjugation, I believe that is admirable. black people in LA were, are, and will be shit on by the politicians, the buisness crowd, hollywood, and the police, more than you could ever understand unless you are 1) black 2) from LA. you gotta do your homework.. do you know what a restrictive covenant is? google it and find out. what about the institutionalized brutality, rape, and murder by the LAPD? you've got a group of what is mostly kids, people under 25, who can get a fair deal from no one. they can get no jobs, they are forced to live in the worst parts of town, they are put in substandard schools with no funding, and their parents are often victim of these same circumstances, which amplifies the situation of the child. Your gunna blame a 16 year old for a crooked deal he got served 400 years ago?? and i'm sorry but i had to put this in, because even the idea that something like affirmative action would make it all better is offensive, but affirmative action is a proven failure. how well is affirmative action working? look at your workplace, your school, your local politicians office, on your television set. what do you see? do you think the few black people there are representative of the greater black community? the only place a black person is encouraged to succeed is in the military, killing other Africans (Iraq..). lastly, before you point the finger, WHO ARE THE REAL CRIMINALS? WHO makes and imports the crack cocaine, the uzi's, the malt liquor, the heroin, the diamonds? It doesn't start in the ghetto... Come on kids use your head!!! smoke a blunt, open a book, get some knowledge cause soon reading is gunna be "terrorism"!! for all you hiphop heads, check chubb rock-
"so tell me whose got the cocaine.. don't tell me its the little kids on soul train.. it comes from other places, not from tinted faces.. you watch channel zero with that bitch barbara walters, she'll have you believe black invented crack, when president lyndon had the formula way back in 63 with kennedy..."

[Smart]

Ex-Gang Leader's Ashes Spread in Africa

RICHMOND, Calif. (AP) -- The ashes of executed Crips gang co-founder Stanley "Tookie" Williams were spread in a lake in South Africa in accordance with his will, a friend said.

Barbara Becnel, who co-authored children's books with Williams and witnessed his execution, said in a statement Friday that she and Williams' longtime friend Shirley Neal sprinkled the ashes into the lake Sunday in Thokoza Park in the city of Soweto, as Williams had requested.

"On his last day of life Stan asked me to spread his ashes in South Africa," Becnel said. "He wanted to return to the motherland."

Williams was cremated after his death by injection at San Quentin state prison on Dec. 13.

He was convicted of murdering four people during two 1979 holdups. He claimed to have redeemed himself by writing books encouraging youngsters to stay away from gangs.

[soulkillers]

this shit is still going ? end it... he is dead.

[Gunm]

alot of people talkin alot of big shit about tookie. tookie's a hero, i don't care how many deaths, black or white (and they were mostly black) he was responsible for. if you stand up to the police and society to protect or better those around you who have been the victim of subjugation, I believe that is admirable.

so you're saying "if you don't get your way, kill people for recognition and respect."


oh yeah, that'll getcha REAL far.




your man is not a hero. he got what he deserved.

[Murdoc1]

Hero? Hell no
A human being, yes, respect the dead, you never know what cards you'll get dealt, some people play them differently than others, but no matter what you will end up dead sooner or later, and when you die, no matter what you did, there will be people who remember you in a positive way, and others who will spit on your grave. He is dead so there really is no reason to argue, one day I hope a topic about me will be somewhere on here (Still doubt I'll make it past 20), of course there will always be others in the world who think, who the hell is he? Just another vandal

[B_As_In_Bot]

Well he may have been somewhat of a hero to some, but more likley feared by most throughout his life.
People are calling him a hero because towards the end of his life he tried to change his ways and set a good example. So he was a heroic hypocrite. He certainly wasn tthe first or last to do feel the way he did, it just shows he kind of softened up/felt remorse,and thats what the prisons are designed to do to people who commit heinous crimes..People who praise him as hero probably have faith in the prison systems too..

Stupid. Prisons are about scamming people, killing people and fucking people - tookie got fucked, then killed. If I was in his position I would probably do the same thing..set the right example, but I would have taken my life when I wanted to die, not when they wanted me to die.

[Gunm]

So much bickering..When we could all really be discussing how to overthrow the government and not have to ever worry about who did what, and how they should be dealt with/ who should have dealt with them..
Just do it, destroy everything the government has tainted the land with..Well never worry about it again.:scrambled:


awesome.....I'll have fun watching you and your leftist buddies get ground into meatsauce by national guard tanks from the comfort of my living room.

[Kabaila.The.Spear.Chucker]

tookie was my long lost cousin

[Dawood]

yeah right kabaila....you know youre a white kid from scruburbia

[iloveboxcars]

scruburbia? are you trying to shame people for living in the suburbs? doesnt the kuran speak against this? or is that the bible?

or both?

[Dawood]

what about your iloveboxcars book? doesn't that speak against questioning my statements about scruburbia? I'm not a perfect person. If you knew me , I'm sure you'd find a lot of mistakes in me.
I love the suburbs, I drive through there a lot on my way to wherever I'm going. As a matter of fact i'm from an industrial city/suburb of a major city that turned slummy over the last 20 years.

Don't look for mistakes in me, you'll find a lot.

look for mistakes in you so you can change them.

and btw, thanks for checking me so I can be a better person


and my new statement is that the suburbs are a great place and Ilove boxcars is groovy too.

[El Mamerro]

Def groovy.

[The Man with the Answers]

As a matter of fact i'm from an industrial city/suburb of a major city that turned slummy over the last 20 years.




what? your town has been slummy for 300 years now, lol. When I was in school I read this book about this kid who grew up in Lynn. Started drinking at 11, smoking dope, stealing, being a truant, runaway etc etc.


When was the book written? 1870 and was the memoir of a sailor... I wish I remebered the title...

[Dawood]

ah, man...You had to throw it out there.
I googled lynn videos one time and I saw the Lynn police shoot this guy who was holding a knife on the Marsh road. They were like "drop the knife , buddy" and then the popped him when he ran.... the cop was asking the other cops "did I do something wrong?"
Anyway, Iloveboxcars is groovy and Sin City is a slum, dood.

[Smart]

Once on a Philly version of Cops they arrested and questioned a car thief in front of a grate with a Kadism wicked on it, so, that's about the best thing I ever saw on Cops...

Did you guys see the Treasure Hunter show last week or I guess the re-ran it tonight? Had the Mary Burke School in Chelsea and apparently they paid Ghost to lace up the set. I think he only did one classroom though, just from what I saw... still, random shit on prime time tv.

[Gunm]

^^^


no

I said it before....say it again....fuck Tookie