getting paid from your graff skills

[Dawood]

I do a lot of graf related work for businesses and I know other people are doing the same thing, Love it or hate it, add on.

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2568944_1024.ts1152593881033.jpg

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2602059_1024.ts1152679603238.jpg

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2602062_1024.ts1152679725288.jpg
http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2602065_1024.ts1152679609994.jpg

[Iron_Lung]

how do you approach the businesses? what kind of work (legal, illegal or other) do you show them as a reference? or do you usually know the owners already? just curious how youd present graffiti skills to a business owner who might not dig graffiti in the first place.

[nomak]

800$ mural.. for Chiquta's Fresh Express
http://www.instabomb.com/images/freshexpress1.jpg
http://www.instabomb.com/images/freshexpress2.jpg
http://www.instabomb.com/images/freshexpress3.jpg

[Dawood]

nice wall nomak...

P.S. I didn't do the characters on the Mekqahouse.

I'll post some more soon

[johnny ballbags]

hey nomak: you notice that what im assuming is your real name is kinda clearly written in one of those flicks?
maybe not the best idea..

[nomak]

i saw that .. my bad

[Dawood]

yeah, you can contact an admin for that.

[Dawood]

http://www.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2569147_1024.ts1152594243730.jpg

[Dawood]

from the activity in this thread it looks like there's not too many writers on the graff hustle.

Well, here's a few more. Post some more if you got em nomak, and I know there gotta be more cat's rockin' bodega walls around the way or something.


http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2694029_348.ts1152999415601.jpg

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2694032_348.ts1152999424570.jpg

[destruction]

is that the slogan for the deli?.....

lol thats cool

[Dawood]

yeah, they got a mean sangwich too. Their big sandwich is a 12'' wide round sourdough sandwich packed.
It's definately the business.
whew...

[serum]

i'm definitely on the hustle. the pink background was done in tokyo for a liquor store. the city scape with redman and a very angry looking method man was done for a hiphop clothes shop in kyoto.

[Dawood]

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2719480_1024.ts1153086444394.jpg

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2719483_1024.ts1153086448492.jpg

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2719487_1024.ts1153086452081.jpg

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2719490_1024.ts1153086459196.jpg

a caddy dealership

[Dawood]

oh, my bad.

I approach businesses DEFINATELY NOT as a graff writer or even as an artist.
I approach as a sign painter/mural painter advertising company. I have
business cards, invoices, etc. etc. I actually do this full time.
The best thing to do is build up your portfolio with as many different
types of businesses as possible so when you do a certain type of job you can
go to similar places and try to duplicate what you did somewhere else.

As for $$$, then that varies but I got $1285 for the caddy job.
I got $785 + 200 free food for the schlotskys job.
those wooden signs I build for $400 then paint for $125 each time they want to change it.

theres definately a market out there for graff skills.
The most important thing you can have is determination though.

check my site. I'm getting ready to update it .
www.signscientist.com

here's a photo site I've been working on
www.signscientist.photosite.com/

[Dawood]

http://www.signscientist.com/image/obj207geo229pg6p26.png

[foodstamps]

Here's a current project of mine. No where near finished

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/GoodnLoud1.jpg

[nomak]

i would murder that wall ... im talken murder

were is that wall.. what state?

[AOTPrep]

lookin good foodstamps keep updatin it

[Iron_Lung]

oh, my bad.

I approach businesses DEFINATELY NOT as a graff writer or even as an artist.
I approach as a sign painter/mural painter advertising company. I have
business cards, invoices, etc. etc. I actually do this full time.
The best thing to do is build up your portfolio with as many different
types of businesses as possible so when you do a certain type of job you can
go to similar places and try to duplicate what you did somewhere else.

As for $$$, then that varies but I got $1285 for the caddy job.
I got $785 + 200 free food for the schlotskys job.
those wooden signs I build for $400 then paint for $125 each time they want to change it.

theres definately a market out there for graff skills.
The most important thing you can have is determination though.

check my site. I'm getting ready to update it .
www.signscientist.com

here's a photo site I've been working on
www.signscientist.photosite.com/

dude, i really appreciate this info. you have some nice work on your site too (thought the "about us" section was kinda funny). ive been noodling with the idea of doing this for quite a while now cause im so sick of the 9-5 bs, but i dont have a large portfolio so im working on that. also, is that OneShot your using on the windows?

[foodstamps]

Its in Wisconsin. I'll post up the finished wall in oh, I dont know, 2 weeks?

[Dawood]

dude, i really appreciate this info. you have some nice work on your site too (thought the "about us" section was kinda funny). ive been noodling with the idea of doing this for quite a while now cause im so sick of the 9-5 bs, but i dont have a large portfolio so im working on that. also, is that OneShot your using on the windows?

Thanks,

yeah, I'm thinking of changing the about us section. I'd definately say if you got the skills , do it. No doubt, It;s all about being independent and doing what you love. I haven't worked a 9-5 in over 10 years.

I use one shot once in a blue moon, man. One shot is expensive and it is more for permanent jobs, not for quicky window splash jobs. I use semi or hi gloss acrylic latex.
Benjamin Moore and Porter paints are the best in my opinion, but I use the Lowes 10.99 a gal. paint for super temporary stuff. I only use One shot on windows if there is a problem with latex adhesion.

[Iron_Lung]

alright, alright, your giving me some very valuable info here.

if i could throw another query your way, when you first started up how did you go about putting together a portfolio? my thing is i have no experience with paid jobs and i dont want to put graffiti (even legal work, cause its just pieces anyways) in my portfolio so im wondering how to go about it. my idea was to try to get places like non-profits, Salvation Army, etc. to let me do their painting for free just for the experience and then try to build one from there. once i have a few under my belt i figured id be ready to rock. any thoughts on this?

much thanks again.

[Spruce Lee]

oh, my bad.

I approach businesses DEFINATELY NOT as a graff writer or even as an artist.
I approach as a sign painter/mural painter advertising company. I have
business cards, invoices, etc. etc. I actually do this full time.
The best thing to do is build up your portfolio with as many different
types of businesses as possible so when you do a certain type of job you can
go to similar places and try to duplicate what you did somewhere else.

As for $$$, then that varies but I got $1285 for the caddy job.
I got $785 + 200 free food for the schlotskys job.
those wooden signs I build for $400 then paint for $125 each time they want to change it.

theres definately a market out there for graff skills.
The most important thing you can have is determination though.

check my site. I'm getting ready to update it .
www.signscientist.com

here's a photo site I've been working on
www.signscientist.photosite.com/

sounds like a fun job

[Dawood]

alright, alright, your giving me some very valuable info here.

if i could throw another query your way, when you first started up how did you go about putting together a portfolio? my thing is i have no experience with paid jobs and i dont want to put graffiti (even legal work, cause its just pieces anyways) in my portfolio so im wondering how to go about it. my idea was to try to get places like non-profits, Salvation Army, etc. to let me do their painting for free just for the experience and then try to build one from there. once i have a few under my belt i figured id be ready to rock. any thoughts on this?

much thanks again.

OK, True story.

I worked at home depot for about 2 years. One day I approached my boss and asked him if I could paint the homer guy on the wall from one of the brochures they had. I told him I wouldn't charge him except that I could use their paint and I could be on the clock while I did it. I convinced him that he didn't have much to lose because If it looked horrible I would paint over it, but I assured him I could do a proffessional job. So I did it and a week later there was district meeting where all the managers from every store (about 30 or so) came to our store and they all loved it. So I was hired to paint every Home Depot in my area and then in a whole other district. I painted a LOT of Home depots for $350-$425 a pop depending on how far I had to go.

So anyway, At that point I figured I could do this full time, I had already been painting neighborhood bodega/soul food joints/hip hop gear shops so I had a little portfolio.
Best thing is to hit spots in your neighborhood. People who know you got skills. I always had a rep for being the ill graf cat in my city so, it wasn't hard to get lil side jobs all the time.
I would recommend keeping whatever job you have for now until you feel comfortable enough to make that leap (or until you get fired because you hate your job and you know you can do better elsewhwere)
I eventually got canned from Home Depot and that's when I started my business. I did Tattoos for a while but that wasn't for me and then I started my sign gig.

It is a fun Job, after work I can paint a peice with the leftover paint or vice versa, I can make some ends from scrap paint off the peice I rocked a few days ago.

[Iron_Lung]

i remember wanting to paint that little Home Depot guy. kinda reminds me of a buff guy character Cycle did next to one of his pieces that said "another one for your fun" (saw it in an issue of 12oz. actually). just looked fun to paint.

also, i didnt notice the vehicle lettering on your site before, how is that done? im guessing Illustrator???

well, im pretty much going to do what you suggested and start off in my neighborhood and try to build my portfolio. i really want to make this work. the other day i counted how many businesses along maybe a two mile stretch of street that had splash on their windows; it was quite a bit.

[johnny ballbags]

good to see you doin youre thing out there da..... i remember that home depot ish.... i think i ran into you there one day when i was a youngster gettin paint.... i think i might have even pulled out my book on some toy shit and had you get up in it.... lol....

[Dawood]

Yeah, I used to let writers come in and get over on paint. I worked in the paint dept. so they used to come in and I would give them the block so they could rack. ha, ha,

no wonder I got fired.

[SPORTO]

Why not sketch out your graff style jobs first, scan into signlab/pal whatever you use,
cover to outlines, & then cut out on bright vinly, and apply in layers.
The result wood be a lot cleaner?

[Dawood]

some jobs are cool with vinyl, but most graff style jobs it's 150% easier to just break out some cans and get bizzy. Vinyl raises the cost of the Job, brings more design/production time into it and vinyl won't work on some surfaces like concrete, brick, etc. I use vinyl all the time but definately not on graff style jobs (except for a few exceptions)

just my preference.

[serum]

Dawood have you ever used water based sealants on your work? Faux painting books recommend using them but i havent used them with spraypaint before. just curious because alot of the work i get is because i guarantee free touchups for a year.

[Dawood]

Dawood have you ever used water based sealants on your work? Faux painting books recommend using them but i havent used them with spraypaint before. just curious because alot of the work i get is because i guarantee free touchups for a year.


http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/prodimg/DCG-21508.JPG
I use day glo filter ray a lot if I need to. Filter ray is a Uv protectant used to filter out the uv rays that fade paint.

[SkryptKC]

Aight I Would Do Legal Pay For My Graff Skillz But How Do I Like You Know Ask People About stuff like That Cuz i dont wanna go and be like "Hey Im a Graffiti Artist And I Wanted to Know If I Could Paint Your Store For Some Cash its Kinda Strange That And The Fact That im Wanted For Illeagal Graffiti Plus Im Only 13 And I Need the Money"

[Mr. Infamous]

Im Only 13 And I Need the Money

This is what you do:

Ask Mommy or Daddy for a ride to your local super market.

Fill out a job application.

If you get a job, work hard.

Study hard in school.

Stay away from paint.

^Do the above^ You'll thank me when your a successful member of society.




ADD:Also learn how to read, I could excuse your error if this was 3 page deep thread, but it's not.

[Dawood]

Aight I Would Do Legal Pay For My Graff Skillz But How Do I Like You Know Ask People About stuff like That Cuz i dont wanna go and be like "Hey Im a Graffiti Artist And I Wanted to Know If I Could Paint Your Store For Some Cash its Kinda Strange That And The Fact That im Wanted For Illeagal Graffiti Plus Im Only 13 And I Need the Money"


scram ,kid

[tango 24]

wow, he actually admitted to being under 16...

[Iron_Lung]

hey Dawood, hate to keep bothering you with questions ...

ive been looking around online for information on how to's on vinyl lettering but am coming up with goose eggs. i had talked to a sign shop quite a while ago and they had told me everything they do is on Illustrator. should i be learning that program? would that be the preferred method for making vinyl's or should i be turning my attention in another direction? mucho appreciado ...

Dawood = wealth of information.

[johnny ballbags]

not gonna answer for dawood, but anything done for large scale print should be done in a with vector shit in illustrator or somethign similar, as opposed to photoshop if thats what youre asking.... i learned this the hard way.... you dont have to....

[james river]

the program that most sign shops (including the one i work at) use is flexi sign pro, composer or sign lab. As for cutting vinyl, look on e bay for a cheap plotter. I sugggest either a gerber or Allen. My plan is to save up for a digital printer, you can print on a banner (before hemming and grommets), and you can print a custom pantone color where vinyl is only available in certain ones, but there are alot. You can also paint the vinyl and put it thru the plotter. Another advantage is that you can print the fill, outline, shade, force whatever, as opposed to layering with vinyl. I've seen dawoods portfolio in person and he's done more stuff than whats on his website, professional outdoor advertising type ishk.
good luck iron lung, stack chips, but u definetly have to spend money to make money

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/100_0231.jpg

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/100_0229.jpg
lets keep this thread alive fellas

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0139.jpg
not me but one of my friends, he's a dope artist, i'll try to get some flix of some
of his other work. dawood do u have a flick of city kicks

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/P1010170.jpg

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/P4030139.jpg
this is my boy from Japan, hes nicety

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/P9110154.jpg
dont be afraid to get ideas from other lettering that you see, its not like graf, as long as the moneys green

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/P6050153.jpg
one of my first signs, check the backwards U

[foodstamps]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/bullshit1282.jpg
42 x 11 ft wall

[james river]

that came out dope, lovin the greys, convex, colors, everything. post everything you got
james

[Iron_Lung]

james, for the haircuts, essex and auction signs, are they just hand painted on regular ol' wood or are you using another method? just wondering cause i dont know what kinds of signs i would be making, other than just the general "sandwich board" types. is there some sort of standard (size, material, etc.) or is it pretty much whatever you can come up with? im just trying to figure out how i would market hand painted signs.

*edit* the wall came out really nice foodstamps.

[james river]

those signs are all painted with one shot. Aluminum is is what most people use, or mdo (medium density overlay) plywood. You can get them primed, usually an 8 by 4 sheet of primed mdo is around 50 bills. Check the local sign supplier. If you start doing big stuff you have to get permits, in my city it costs 60 bucks for a permit. Truck lettering is always good to do, its the best advertisement for a small business. Ive done stuff for free just to get a flick, people just wanna see stuff you've done.

[Dawood]

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/3827626_1024.ts1156807360973.jpg


i can't find citi kicks , but I have a better flick of the one you posted earlier, I'll
look for citi kicks , I think I saved it somewhere.

[Dawood]

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/2568970_1024.ts1152593903664.jpg

here's another one from me for good measure.. I made the sign out of aluminum and vinyl letters.
the tribal flames are hand painted.

[Wes Mantooth]

I like this thead.

[Dawood]

jump in wes,

btw...good stuff james, looks familiar.....like I might have seen them before,
hmmmmmmm.

[Dawood]

http://signscientist.com/mur_panino.jpg

this one was from a pretty big account.

[johnny ballbags]

that shit came out real nice dawood....

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/P1080174.jpg
yah i know its uneven

[Dawood]

James, Is that on your moms dinner table.

[Wes Mantooth]

I like the "a whole latte love" one.

[james river]

James, Is that on your moms dinner table.

you know it, nah its an 18th century handmade rocking chair haha

[Dawood]

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/3954137_1024.ts1157166278163.jpg


Here's another one from Star Boogie...(A brother from around my way

[Dawood]

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/3954142_1024.ts1157166285102.jpg

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/3954152_1024.ts1157166310883.jpg

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/3954150_1024.ts1157166305880.jpg

here's a few new projects...sometimes I focus on fine tuning my skills, sometimes I'm just on the grind trying to hustle stack money grip , super duty tuff style, depends on my mood.

[NaughtyApe]

how dyou go and get urself knon fer like this inda stuff website? flyers? jsut talkign to teh own liek yo i cud do a sick peacice on ur window...

all advice is great

[serum]

^what language are you speaking?

btw dawood thanks for the tip on the uv sealant. not exactly what i was talking about but that stuff looks cool.

[therealrt]

http://preview.signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/3954152_1024.ts1157166310883.jpg
do i spy dawood in the reflection?

[Dawood]

that's my photagrapher

[YourSistersAssCookie]

Nice thread
Good to see others making some cake off of their skills

[Some1]

your all sell outs!!!!!

pssssyke its dope seeing all of you taking what you love and turning it into your job. You must be the happiest people ever!

[chyea]

this is gettin real popular here in the ville, people are doing all kinds of legals for buisnesses. im trying to get into it myself

[YourSistersAssCookie]

Do it to it.

[Odie]

i agree with some1 thats selling out, doing the art is being you selling it is rediculous im all day on the style in progress in toronto but im more about knowing ur the only person who did it while people just stare

[james river]

kid grow up, wat do u do for a living?^i beleive his post was sarcastic anyway
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0166.jpg
not really graff related, but lettering nonetheless

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/iratoyota.jpg

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0177.jpg

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0180.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0173.jpg

[YourSistersAssCookie]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/robb307/DSCF4702.jpg
Not completed

[YourSistersAssCookie]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/robb307/2fa92049.jpg

[foodstamps]

Nice stuff in here. Wish more people would contribute though.
Just finished this the other day-

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/madcat2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/madcat1.jpg

[YourSistersAssCookie]

Nice^^^

[james river]

that came out sick, did you tape off those lines?

[foodstamps]

Thanks dude
Everything but the face was taped for the drivers side and front
Nothing was taped for the passengers side and back
I was surprised I managed to get the clean lines that I did for the back, but good old fashioned Krylon flat black with a ny thin always makes the cut

[foodstamps]

Repost

[foodstamps]

Repost

[foodstamps]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/BigDeal.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/girl.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/urbanremodeling1.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/SLipper_blues_web_copy-1.jpg

[james river]

NICE WORK ,IS THE SECOND ONE ILLUSTRATOR OR PAINT

[foodstamps]

The second one is all spray paint. Canvas wrapped over 8 x 4 ft plywood.

[iloveboxcars]

in the first one the font is terrible. go back and atleast make the G a lower-case.

[heavyLox]

thats a really nice truck man. good job

[Wes Mantooth]

The second one is all spray paint. Canvas wrapped over 8 x 4 ft plywood.
The face is spray paint? Christ...

[King Of Hell]

hand painted signs get the highest level of respect from me. fuck vinyl.

[Larry Pubes]

in the first one the font is terrible. go back and atleast make the G a lower-case.

i dig that shit.

[james river]

no need for criticism, lets see your work boxcar.^

[transparent]

kid grow up, wat do u do for a living?^i beleive his post was sarcastic anyway
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0166.jpg
not really graff related, but lettering nonetheless
nice james this is serious...this thread is dope im feeling all the stuff dawood is rocking...keep it up dudes the sin looks good!!

[Dawood]

http://www.signscientist.com/mur_sd.jpg

ok, abuse, since me and you is me and you.....here's a few more.

[Dawood]

http://www.signscientist.com/mur_hw.jpg

[Dawood]

http://www.signscientist.com/image/veh_yma.jpg

and some funky ole' truck I did.

[Dawood]

http://www.signscientist.com/image/sw_05.jpg

http://www.signscientist.com/image/sw_06.jpg


these are all old, I just had them kicking arond in cyberspace so..
keep it moving , I like to see what people are doing.

[Deptronik]

i don't know if this counts as for getting paid by graff but word
some of the shirts, i won't lie, kinda cheesy but fuck it, they sold and paid my phone bills
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/ShadowsLost/KsHouse002.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/ShadowsLost/KsHouse008.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/ShadowsLost/Hats007.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/ShadowsLost/Hats001.jpg

[Dawood]

aaw, yeah, t-shirts. I'll have to dig out my t shirt joints too.

what's up with the traffic concept?

[Deptronik]

'traffic' was a homeboys' nick name since he had REAL bad road rage, and then outta a random drink session the term "traffic solutions" came up, referring to road rage and a loaded automatic are the perfect 'solution' and since i just so happen to be a writer (yeah a toy but fuck it) i just kinda played off it and me and the friends been makin 'em since, here's a few flicks of ones we just recently made.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/ShadowsLost/ShirtsAndBooze005.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/ShadowsLost/ShirtsAndBooze008.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/ShadowsLost/ShirtsAndBooze006.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/ShadowsLost/ShirtsAndBooze010.jpg

[james river]

word, do u screenprint?

[Deptronik]

james river : yeah i silkscreen.

[seeking]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/girl.jpg

ha. natalie imbruglia.
that's that's up.

[RIVEROCK]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/Unsweetndt/helmetswordinthegraveyard002.jpg
a lil 80$ jammer,,,took me 4 hours though god damnit!!!

[RIVEROCK]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/Unsweetndt/helmetswordinthegraveyard003.jpg

[RIVEROCK]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/Unsweetndt/helmetswordinthegraveyard005.jpg
actually it took 6 hours and 10$ in paint so i should charge at least 120 bucks 150 even...
well maybe not 150...oh well...artists are poor....

[serum]

thats cool. did you use spray or airbrush?

[serum]

http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/galleries/cache/derivative/5/8/5874007.jpg

http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/galleries/cache/derivative/5/8/5874015.jpg

i recently painted a plum blossom tree in an asian style bedroom.

[RIVEROCK]

thanks serum!!! airbrush // waterbased paint //urethane clear!!!!
that tree is dope!!!!

[RIVEROCK]

MORE?!?!?!
SHITTY PIC,,,EH IM BORED!!!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/Unsweetndt/tankfire.jpg

[RIVEROCK]

BEFORE LAST LAYER OF ORANGE
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/Unsweetndt/ferringfire.jpg

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0167.jpg

[james river]

the post is no good

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0168.jpg

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0166-1.jpg

[Dawood]

nice stripes James, Your hand is getting sharp.

[King Of Hell]

hand painting is maybe one of my favorite things in the world.
Hey Dawood, did you do that store window shit in spray paint? it doesnt look like it. and is that van hand painted? looks sick dude. is that what your doing nowadays?

[-Rage-]

hand painting is maybe one of my favorite things in the world.


Agreed.

Pinstriping is fucking hot.

[imported_splint2]

Pinstriping is fucking hot.


for sure, some of the shit those guys do is nuts

[Dawood]

hand painting is maybe one of my favorite things in the world.
Hey Dawood, did you do that store window shit in spray paint? it doesnt look like it. and is that van hand painted? looks sick dude. is that what your doing nowadays?


the windows are a mixture of 3 inch roller , brushes and spraypaint.

the van was done with all vinyl and a litte bit of spraypaint for the fades in the wrench.
Yeah, I'm doing a lot of that window type stuff all up and down the east cost these days.
When I finally settle down and stop travelling the world, I'm gonna open up a shop
and start taking my time to crank out some real masterpeices instead of that quicky knockout
stuff I've been doing a lot of.

[Dawood]

http://signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/4180711_1024.ts1157859723641.jpg

http://signscientist.photosite.com/~photos/tn/4180718_1024.ts1157859731824.jpg

here's a little west indian joint I did, this is a prime example of my knockout language. I do these in an afternoon, just a few hours or so.

[King Of Hell]

Yeah man Im a fan. Im learning that old fashioned hand done shit. Those knock outs are so fun to look at. You must be smiling the whole time your painting them.

[Hullucination]

i did a "big Sale" sign for my work once, i think i got like $30 and sum beer from the owner. not bad for about half an hour of work. other then that i've drawn tattoos for people, and painted murals in sum friends basements. nothing big

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/DSCN0238.jpg

[Dawood]

Yeah man Im a fan. Im learning that old fashioned hand done shit. Those knock outs are so fun to look at. You must be smiling the whole time your painting them.

I love my job

[james river]

that is hand carved, gold leaf gilded, hand painted outline and a routed border ^
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/100_0326.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/100_0329.jpg

[james river]

true, it is a great job

[james river]

i did this van for free, it was my first one so i just wanted the photo
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/000_0007.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/000_0011.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/000_0017.jpg
dirty ass van, probably should have cleaned it now that i look back

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/100_0331.jpg
this was a collab i did the light green, this other guy did the dark(he did the backround in the one with the skull too
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/100_0330.jpg

[imported_splint2]

love the pinstriping shit...keep doing your thing man.

[james river]

thanks alot^
if your interested go to letterhead.com

[King Of Hell]

letterhead is like one of my favorite sites. i kinda wish you didnt post it. i dont want to give douce bags more things to rip off.

[trainrek]

dawood, did you do the corner of Blue Hill and Talbot?

[transparent]

j rivs lookin good do yo thang doggie...dawood too!

[King Of Hell]

Keep anymore awesome letterheads type shit on the lock. things like that get abused by douchebags.

[KiLL_Or_Die]

james river..Nice pinstripes playa..I'm tryin to get into that shit too...Any suggestion on brushes?...everyone else keep doin your shit..i've always said, one day this shit is goin to pay off..

[james river]

Just practice, go to dick blick art supplies, or your local sign supplier and get a mack striping brush, its good to learn how to hand letter with a brush first though , grab a chiseled brush and some one shot and practice.
Can someone post some pinstriping that they see around, it would be cool to see striping and lettering from other parts of the country, thanks

[Bojangles]

Here's a few things. I make a full time living off of painting these days.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h130/bobrock5001/junk/bstrip.jpg

[Bojangles]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h130/bobrock5001/junk/coventrysm.jpg

[Bojangles]

I also sell paintings regularly in local galleries.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h130/bobrock5001/junk/astrip.jpg

[james river]

bump

[Dawood]

yeah, yeah, the mackbrush, baby, what up Jizames? still cold up there?

hmmm? what's on blue hill and talbot? is that the fish spot?

[2501]

good work all of you...

Just one word of advice: don't give your work away. Charge what you're worth and don't take a penny less.

We all do freebies or cheapies when starting out, but damn that van looks too good to be free james river. I'm sure it will come back to you in business gained. Just breaks my heart to see people give away their skills.

May the newyear bring you great prosperity!

[YourSistersAssCookie]

Bump this thread.
All good stuff.
get that paper

[Dawood]

bojangles...how do you get in the galleries?

[serum]

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1209/finalcookieju0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5667/cookie8qm4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



im hesitant to post this but ehh fuck it. landscapes are not my thing but im paying the bills.

[grandmofftarkin]

nice. can i ask what do you charge? i was doing the same for a while but gave it up. i'm thinking about getting back in the mix.

[2501]

http://luckydragonmurals.com/images/zlatapraha.jpg

[King Of Hell]

2501, you did that? Looks freakin nice man.

[2501]

yeah. thanks!

[purrrplestain]

2501, did you do the people in that too?

[purrrplestain]

Here's a few things. I make a full time living off of painting these days.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h130/bobrock5001/junk/bstrip.jpg

optomis prime!!!!!!!

[2501]

2501, did you do the people in that too?

yeah, everything that's paint there.

[grandmofftarkin]

that's megatron, not prime.

[purrrplestain]

ahhh rookie mistake... seriously

[Dawood]

http://signscientist.com/sp7.jpg

this was just like doing a big roller, exactly, except I taped it off for nice edges and they paid me $5000 more than
I would've got paid doing a roller spot on the highway.

gangsta

[KiLL_Or_Die]

Just practice, go to dick blick art supplies, or your local sign supplier and get a mack striping brush, its good to learn how to hand letter with a brush first though , grab a chiseled brush and some one shot and practice.
Can someone post some pinstriping that they see around, it would be cool to see striping and lettering from other parts of the country, thanks

Just got em yesterday..I mean serious Business playa..Give me bout 2 weeks..:) ...I got sum good tips from a friend of mine..

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s104/KiLL_Or_DiE/DSC00222.jpg

Dawood..Thats sum good shit..

[93'TIL]

i think it's cool as long as you're keeping that seperation involved. as long as you aren't trying to make money off of the aerosol culture style of writing then that's cool. it sucks how some kids who haven't even paid dues for shit and have no knowledge of where this artform comes from in the first place just try to go out and make money off of this shit. even some more experienced writers that sell out their whole fuckin history and all the dues they've paid to make money off of the spraypainting skills they developed instead of keeping it real n staying true and finding something else they could make a hustle out of that may or may not be art-related.

[KiLL_Or_Die]

Here in Oakland we have youngstas that have painted a piece or 2 and are makin shitload of money doin murals..No hate cause I respect everyone's hustle, but I do hate that sum of us are still tryin to put a descent type amount of Damage, Work whatever you wanna call it whether if its legal walls, bombin or yard work... Those same kids are attending a Graffiti class (no bullshit) and dude helps these kids build a Portfolio with their so call work in it..So now them kids are goin around gettin paid 3 to 5 G's for their work..Like I said dont get me wrong I aint hatin, but its not fair that niggas go to school to learn how to use a can and making that kind of money..Makes me wanna go to that Graff class..Shit..

Lets not get off track and keep up with this thread..Good work everyone...

[Itchy Richie]

james rivers your a beast with the pin striping i want you to do somethin on my automobile hit me up... you roast beefin bastard

[miracle idiot]

Here in Oakland we have youngstas that have painted a piece or 2 and are makin shitload of money doin murals..No hate cause I respect everyone's hustle, but I do hate that sum of us are still tryin to put a descent type amount of Damage, Work whatever you wanna call it whether if its legal walls, bombin or yard work... Those same kids are attending a Graffiti class (no bullshit) and dude helps these kids build a Portfolio with their so call work in it..So now them kids are goin around gettin paid 3 to 5 G's for their work..Like I said dont get me wrong I aint hatin, but its not fair that niggas go to school to learn how to use a can and making that kind of money..Makes me wanna go to that Graff class..Shit..

Lets not get off track and keep up with this thread..Good work everyone...

I think the Boston Museum of Arts School offered a graffiti class, not sure if they still do, shit was ridiculous (and not like fresh ridiculous, but ridiculous ridiculous)

[MeMySelf]

i would love this optimus prime in my house

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h130/bobrock5001/junk/bstrip.jpg

[PearlJam2112]

It's megatron nigga.

[Dawood]

i think it's cool as long as you're keeping that seperation involved. as long as you aren't trying to make money off of the aerosol culture style of writing then that's cool. it sucks how some kids who haven't even paid dues for shit and have no knowledge of where this artform comes from in the first place just try to go out and make money off of this shit. even some more experienced writers that sell out their whole fuckin history and all the dues they've paid to make money off of the spraypainting skills they developed instead of keeping it real n staying true and finding something else they could make a hustle out of that may or may not be art-related.

You still flippin' burgers? grow up, kid.

[serum]

dawood you need to keep it real. sligin your graff skills witout paying dues is sellin out
word.

note bboy pose

[93'TIL]

Here in Oakland we have youngstas that have painted a piece or 2 and are makin shitload of money doin murals..No hate cause I respect everyone's hustle, but I do hate that sum of us are still tryin to put a descent type amount of Damage, Work whatever you wanna call it whether if its legal walls, bombin or yard work... Those same kids are attending a Graffiti class (no bullshit) and dude helps these kids build a Portfolio with their so call work in it..So now them kids are goin around gettin paid 3 to 5 G's for their work..Like I said dont get me wrong I aint hatin, but its not fair that niggas go to school to learn how to use a can and making that kind of money..Makes me wanna go to that Graff class..Shit..

that, to me, is wack as fuck. mothafuckas havent even bombed or paid any dues and dont know anything about aerosol culture and just go attend a graff class and then make money off what we do.

fuckin retarded.

[93'TIL]

You still flippin' burgers? grow up, kid.

neva dat, son.

dont get butt hurt.

[creep3]

Keep up the hustle guys. I dont really consider this selling out at all. I mean your doing what you love and making some cash while honing your skills further. I myself make some extra flow off my art, but i always have since i was a wee lad.

[King Of Hell]

I have been writing since I was 9. I'm now 33. I don't give a shit about anything called "aerosol culture". I do however give a shit about not living in a shitty apartment for the rest of my life. If you have talent for something and it can help you pay some fucking bills, go do that shit.
I mean don't be walking around talking about being some old school kind of you weren't but it beats a shitty job you hate anyday.

[Dawood]

dawood you need to keep it real. sligin your graff skills witout paying dues is sellin out
word.

note bboy pose

Ha, Ha, he said, keep it real and pay your dues in the same sentence, you should make that a song. Act like you know, I was rockin fillins on billboards when you were knee high to a hockey puck. somebody clue this kid in.

[Dawood]

neva dat, son.

dont get butt hurt.

good, good, proceed, then.

[Dawood]

I have been writing since I was 9. I'm now 33. I don't give a shit about anything called "aerosol culture". I do however give a shit about not living in a shitty apartment for the rest of my life. If you have talent for something and it can help you pay some fucking bills, go do that shit.
I mean don't be walking around talking about being some old school kind of you weren't but it beats a shitty job you hate anyday.

some of these guys are rookies and it's natural that they'll have a rookie perspective on things , when you've been writing for over 20 years you look at things a lot different than these new guys coming up who care what people think of their ass letter structure and doogie howser styles.

[serum]

i dont think you noted my bboy pose though, heavy flexin cannot be described by words alone.
you havent paid your dues until you have trucker hats and airbrushed wolf shirts on lock

[Dawood]

OOOOH! my bee!
yeah. I got that.....45897564576405 trucker hats in my trunk and and a bottle of spray on shelltoe cologne, kid, I'm chillin' at the g board all day. Look there's my main man Byg from Bluehill, I know he got the Cheeba cheeba, Mang. Keepin' it real, ha, ha. Don't get it twysted. !

[93'TIL]

dont get me wrong, i like how you are doing that business store front style lettering. the thing that i personally dislike is how kids are painting some stupid ass shit, havent even paid dues or even bombed, and making money off the style of letters without even knowing anything about where it comes from in the first place. even those that sell out the skill and style in aerosol writing that they developed to appeal to the demand of these trendy ass suckers just to make a buck.

there's a whole dedication to this artform that burnt out tired motha fuckas have lost the sense of where it isn't and never was about money in the first place. fuck the exploitation. mothafuckas these days think they aint legit unless they make bread off of the shit they do, and if you think that then you need to check yourself.

who needs a fuckin job spray painting shit for corporations to develop and hone your skills and "talent" for money? you were suppose to be developing that shit way before then and have been developed it out there bombing and piecin, paying dues.

[johnny ballbags]

can i just chime in and say that dawood has more than paid his dues, and is closer to where it came from than to where it is now......


mothafuckas these days think they aint legit unless they make bread off of the shit they do, and if you think that then you need to check yourself.


and one things for sure about this shit: youre not feeding your family if youre not getting paid of the shit you do.... and if you aint feedin your family, you need to check yourself.....

[King Of Hell]

The thing young kids don't seem to understand is "keeping it real" to me means not living like a fucking bum when I'm 30. It means Owning a house at some point because paying rent to some shit bag is certainly NOT keeping it real for me. Keeping it real means fuck trying to squeeze by on a shit wage at a job I don't like when I have a skill that already been honed with years of experience that I like, so why nopt utilise that to make ends meet? Thats like saying I'm real good at Basketball, but I should definitely work in computer instead because the kids I run ball with would call me a sell out.
My remaining punk rock ethics and the years I put in doing graff related activities have acted as my schooling. So why not use that to better my situation. It's not selling out. This is the real "keeping it real" not cheating yourself on your own talent that was built on years of hard work and edication. You should be making money of your talents. You shouldn't be screwing people out of money for no talent, and you shouldn't be screwing your peers out of jobs. But by all means, if you worked for it, then you should reap the rewards.

[Dawood]

not to mention that I get up every morning looking forward to a day at work. I absolutely love what I do for a living and the only thing I would change about it would be that i was doing better stuff and making more money at it. (that, my friends is called progression) And progression is a reality. I don't encourage anyone to insert imaginary "keep it real" barriers in front of themselves and success. If a writer is good with design and he's getting paid doing the next method Man and Ghostface CD cover using his handstyle am I mad at him? HELL NO. If he's a nobody who never got up, then I might have something to say about it, call him a perpertrator and move on with my day, so your point is taken '93TIL. But, in my opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong with getting paid off your graff skills. That is.......as long as you HAVE skills, if not, then youre just a hack.

[trainrek]

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/685/415200707ou1.jpg

[Dawood]

YO! Raymonds tire shop got the hookup. That looks like the work of the Infamous Nejm Star Ahk Rock booginator.

[trainrek]

nah man Rek One!!

[AnUpsetStomach]

Did raymond really need "graffiti styles" for a tyre store?

Nice looking work either way.

[King Of Hell]

Anyone doing any gallery work? Shows, curating?

[KiLL_Or_Die]

This is what I'm talkin bout..Fake mothafukas makin money of this shit..

This is sad.....

http://b.im.craigslist.org/G6/qn/ktiXQdH55MW3NF6f6WufBJJSjCVH.jpg

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/art/313356047.html


I need TYRES for my car..

[trainrek]

i had originally done a bold font design for the shop, but the guy asked for graff he said
he wanted something "mad new york" old guy, pretty cool dude

[Dawood]

This is what I'm talkin bout..Fake mothafukas makin money of this shit..

This is sad.....

http://b.im.craigslist.org/G6/qn/ktiXQdH55MW3NF6f6WufBJJSjCVH.jpg

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/art/313356047.html


I need TYRES for my car..


Yeah , I'm sure this cat is paid. look at his style. looks like he found his niche.
original color scheme, dope styles, and getting paid off his miles of styles, kid.
ya'll haters.

[Dawood]

Anyone doing any gallery work? Shows, curating?
I'm ready...let's do it.

[King Of Hell]

Haha word. I was trying to turn the conversation that way. Im actually doing 2 shows within the next two months. At this point I feel like if i can't do like at least 4 shows a year Im wasting time.

[KiLL_Or_Die]

2 shows in a month, damn thats nice...Shit hook me up..

[King Of Hell]

Hook yourself up! For the past 7 years I've been busting my ass doing shows, networking and helping set up shows for friends so I can meet gallery owners. Most are pricks but there's always a few good souls who are down for your cause. I've curated a 40 person group shows, Have had 6 solo shows, been a part of at least 20 group shows, and done a bunch of pro bono set ups and take downs for friends who are either having the show or run the gallery. Takes time.

[Dawood]

yeah, I've done a few shows in my time. Shows are cool, I just never developed much of a way to get paid at it and now that I have multiple mouths to feed, that's my hit. get paid while you dowhutchalike...If I could rock canvases and come off with a lik, i'd do it much more, but then It might not be as meaningful, I don't know. Most of my canvas type artwork is just personal art or things that give away to friends. I guess theres dough in it, but, youre right I can't stand most of those gallery stick in the butt types.

[Dawood]

And on the gettin' paid tip... Big paint pimpin....a few recent ones.


http://a349.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/l_9fa17c55fd5b0b5a35dd552e0f99db24.jpg

http://a262.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/38/l_10b22f8dca0a204d208c3892f8633c6d.jpg

http://a368.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/52/l_f9423d647d38bc58ef2bbad6cae02f6f.jpg

http://a790.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/30/l_8f2629a4e5ac7a747762b75323d42525.jpg

http://a768.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/16/l_7c0ea8fe532b8ced8491c20e3e95af4f.jpg

http://a894.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/32/l_611828d2dd8f512becea841c41c80d95.jpg

[Larry Pubes]

ya gotta love neon.

[Sonik3000]

Doing gallery shows doesn't immediately equal getting paid. Don't get that confused!

[Bojangles]

Doing gallery shows doesn't immediately equal getting paid. Don't get that confused!

True, true. You have to move up through the ranks just like with everything else in life. Took me years to sell consistently.

[Bojangles]

And to whoever asked last page about how to get into galleries:
1. You need a strong portfolio of your work. (Good photos, not camera phone shots)
2. Write up a bio of yourself. (talk about why you do what you do in third person)
3. Make an artist's resume (Just like a work one only with art gigs, shows, etc.)

You'll get rejected plenty of times at first, don't give up. Start small at a local gallery and try and build your name in your city. Eventually people will come to you if they like your work and see it around town enough.

[2501]

Rule number one of stacking chips in the artworld:
Don't knock the handjob that feeds you. it's one big circle jerk scene to get that money.

Rule number one of making good art:
Work hard and work a lot.

Obeying both of these rules is not mutually exclusive. The set of individuals who succeed in following both of those rules is much smaller than the set of those who follow only one rule.

[SLUMKIDS]

Here's a current project of mine. No where near finished

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/sillysiphilis/GoodnLoud1.jpg

i like this one
is this a stencil???
or no?

[SLUMKIDS]

Rule number one of stacking chips in the artworld:
Don't knock the handjob that feeds you. it's one big circle jerk scene to get that money.

Rule number one of making good art:
Work hard and work a lot.

Obeying both of these rules is not mutually exclusive. The set of individuals who succeed in following both of those rules is much smaller than the set of those who follow only one rule.
true...
ill keep that in mind

[SLUMKIDS]

i know this has probally been asked before but how do you approach a business to do this type of thing??

[johnny ballbags]

first you need to be good.... work on that, and then move on to step 2.....

[Dawood]

yeah, pretty much, get good, then walk through the door and tell them youre here to paint.

[FAche]

Any of you guys do any murals and then have somebody go over it?

[Dawood]

I'd smash heads like whoa.

[the district]

arent u a holyman?^^^

[Dawood]

yeah, well nobodys perfect.

[King Of Hell]

I don't care how "grimey" or "balls out" and super illegal someone is. If I do a mural and someone goes over it, I will break their hands. Doesn't matter to me what the politics are. i don't care that people consider illegal graffiti the "only true" form, I don't give a shit about any of that. I don't treat other epople or their art like shit, so I don't need to have my shit disrespected. I will break your hands if you diss my mural. That is all.

[Dawood]

yeah, but your the King and plus Dawood got your back, so, don't worry. Nobody will dis your mural. And if they do, I'll smash heads while you break hands and I know that you know that i know we know plenty of doodes that will jump up and down on domeskillets just because.

post some stuff KOH.....

[King Of Hell]

I think between you and I we have a small army.

[sec187]

Dissing a mural, fuck that, count me in, Ill throw a brick...:mad: :)

[the district]

whatta u do when the diss kids carry guns?

[abcdhfhaskjdh]

u beat they ass

[Pouring Out Champagne]

.does anyone know the name of the person who covers sections of museums with different colors of spray paint? Its really misty and looks dope.. its racking my brain and I need an answer..
Thanks

[Dawood]

Dissing a mural, fuck that, count me in, Ill throw a brick...:mad: :)


see what I'm saying, we roll deep....what up sec?

[King Of Hell]

whatta u do when the diss kids carry guns?

the better question is what are the diss kids gonna do if we carry guns?

[stet dockett]

yeah, but u dont. guns are for dumb people.

[wry]

show off your work to people in workin place, word is more powerful than anything and people could use your graff skills for there advertizement, but prolly not make enough money to make a living, but it could be worth it.

[SEZONEIOK]

We hustle out here....graffiti skills pay bills along with the 9 to 5.56127

56128

56129

56130

[Dawood]

yeah, but u dont. guns are for dumb people.

so , in your mind, every person who owns a gun is Dumb?

[Dawood]

http://www.pinheadlounge.com/portfolios/lg_DSC00270.JPG

http://www.pinheadlounge.com/portfolios/lg_DSC00148217Apr262007.jpg

trying to do a little something with the stripe brushes.

[the district]

so , in your mind, every person who owns a gun is Dumb?

haha,if i said yes would u want to shoot me?

[the district]

this is also the "vent your problems cause u didnt get a g from that last job thread"

[2501]

Very vaginal!

http://www.pinheadlounge.com/portfolios/lg_DSC00270.JPG

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Vote for Peace" and it made me think how much bullshit there is about voting, I didn't see the "Peace" box on the ballot last time, and what the fuck is wrong with people and thinking their bumper sticker is going to change anything?

Then I got high, sat in the garden and decided to become a graphic designer in my spare time.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_cKsP09sJJXk/RZ3QMlQIhdI/AAAAAAAAARs/Tin1XdEkYrI/s200/greensocksbutton4.jpg

[Dawood]

this is also the "vent your problems cause u didnt get a g from that last job thread"


man, that sucks for you. get on ya grizzly district.;)

[xoXox]

This is pretty gay but it was for the ymca youth center
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/totecx1/walls/ym2.jpg

[KiLL_Or_Die]

That aint gay that shits clean..^^^^

I like them baby Marios..I've done a few baby Yoshis myself..

[xoXox]

thanks, the purple bubbles kill it but we ran out of beer so had to finish it quickly

[serum]

http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/galleries/albums/184/178766217/plum_blossom/green%20grapes.jpg
http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/galleries/albums/184/178766217/plum_blossom/wall%201.jpg
http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/galleries/albums/184/178766217/plum_blossom/side%202.jpg

[2501]

Nice doing corny interior tromp l'oily like that is money in the pocket, I love that stuff. If you can get away with using spraypaint for it and it's faster why not, I usually don't like the look with spray on drywall it doesn't look right, I stick to latex and brush for stuff like the grapes and leaves, I just want less and less to do with using spraypaint indoors.

Looks good enough though, and looks fast which is what matters with jobs like that. If they want painstaking work they must pay painstaking wages.

[serum]

with small details brush is the way to go but truthfully i havent used any in awhile.
im definitely slacking in that department. with small subject matter in spray i can only really just imply shapes.
with belton i get minimum overspray but i do get the occasional complaints that it stinks
they dont realise how bad it would smell if i was using rusto.
it took me about 90 minutes. i always take my time i find i make less mistakes the longer i take.

[Dawood]

that's cool, I did the grapes on a vine thing at a mediterranean restaurant. I did the same thing with the grapes.....spray dot, but the vines I did some ill tribal lookin' vines that I came back and cut with a brush in the color of the wall paint...looked sharp. I wish I had flicks. here's the same restaurant though...different location.

http://a957.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/25/l_f7ca25ac36ad1a4f3f44298b061c73d4.jpg

http://a806.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_bdd41d387647fea3467d7bc08c3f4425.jpg

http://a630.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/42/l_46718fdff80297d31b82e05da49f198d.jpg

http://a131.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/42/l_099dd6e967fcd4f3f34c8e6be4c44b0a.jpg

[the district]

now thats what im talkin about, designing a chain restaurant,,$$$$$$ cha-ching!

[Dawood]

yeah, except I went to the bank today to cash his post dated check and it had more bounce than ma diddley dee the overweight lover.....I'm not worried though. I do a lot of business with this guy, he eventually always pays me.

a simple van I lettered for him
http://signscientist.com/image/veh_alamir.jpg

http://signscientist.com/obj222geo262pg1p26111.jpg

and the brick oven pizza awnings...

[Dawood]

http://signscientist.com/image/obj147geo152pg4p26.png

this is another chain restaurant that I designed and did the signs/logos and murals for.

they went out of business, though. Weird. I thought they were going to do well.

[james river]

Whats up Dawood??? When you gonna be back, i just copped the plotter....Roland what do u have?http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/IMG_2126.jpg

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/IMG_2126.jpg

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/IMG_2121.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/IMG_2120.jpg

[james river]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/IMG_2118.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/IMG_2128.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/IMG_2129.jpg

[the district]

[QUOTE=Dawood;5399283]yeah, except I went to the bank today to cash his post dated check and it had more bounce than ma diddley dee the overweight lover.....


hahaha

[amongst]

those pin stripe things are super dope

[trick17]

nice, you make a living off of this?

[downsouthjnkin]

nice thread

[Dawood]

Whats up Dawood??? When you gonna be back, i just copped the plotter....Roland what do u have?http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/IMG_2126.jpg

That's what's up...man you don't need a plotter you got the rollie finger handskills on lock T! You got the good one. I bought a cheap chinese 300-xp or something like that. It does the trick though. The stripes are lookin' good, man. I'm still workin' on my stripes. I think they look busted , but not for long hopefully. Do you freestyle them or lay them out first?

You def got that NE truckstyle thing going on. I'm lovin it.

[james river]

I always just freestyle my stripes, but I usually draw some guidelines to keep everything even. I wish you were around this weekend, theres a letterhead meet!! There's probaly a meet around your area at some point. Yeah I payed alot for the plotter, but i've already made my money back. The supply house is lending me Flexi pro(Shits 900 bills), until i can come up with the money to buy it. They gave me 620 hours for free. I'll make that with ease. The tracking on the Roland kind of sucks sometimes. I just run it real slow.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/Jamesriverbbq/IMG_2130.jpg

[Dawood]

those stripes are nasty. ...yeah, You gotta play with that vinyl machine a bit to get the tracking right. once it's lined up it's usually good to go. I know about the meet in Tewksbury, I tried to make it up there, but I don't think i'll be able to pull it off, You should invite Nejm rock boogie, though.

[james river]

good call, i'll do that

[Dawood]

http://a649.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/37/l_f67eeda03939eba45e601e9ce9643330.jpg

back in the spot.

I didn't do the characters.

[Dawood]

http://a855.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/16/l_13c05959b037289e12a22c361504f88e.jpg

[Dawood]

http://a800.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/16/l_a00e5d9b7758de446b25d1806c7f0087.jpg

[Dawood]

http://a190.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/l_1ee958a4ddab182557fee26d9190d605.jpg

[Dawood]

http://a693.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/41/l_0d3d4bc84902ed864da5a52cd7d16244.jpg

http://a329.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_1468d2576bfb2808b7458cd634eeda58.jpg

a few recent and a few old....