Keeping spots chill

[Slush.e]

Teh AcT KrEw TuNnEl Is ThIs WaY!-----------> LOLZ0r
Thats how you get wannabe gangs into piecing spots.

[dmi3000]

all this advice really helps. but you guys pointed out (and i already realized) that in NYC the rules are a bit different. I know of a couple of spots around the buroughs but does anyone have any NYC exclusive tips. the few times i went to spots there was no one around, but does anyone know if the security in nyc yards is tighter than everywhere else? any other things i should know about the nyc fr8 scene. i know you're supposed to find out from experience, but sitting in the back of a cop car is an experience i dont want.

[smellycheese]

all this advice really helps. but you guys pointed out (and i already realized) that in NYC the rules are a bit different. I know of a couple of spots around the buroughs but does anyone have any NYC exclusive tips. the few times i went to spots there was no one around, but does anyone know if the security in nyc yards is tighter than everywhere else? any other things i should know about the nyc fr8 scene. i know you're supposed to find out from experience, but sitting in the back of a cop car is an experience i dont want.

if you write, chances are youre going to get popped. its part of the game.
i would just check your spot out without paint, just see what time bulls or workers usually run through. just be safe dude

[Route]

yo, I started writing a month or two ago. I started out writing some wackass shit like Killa and burn, until I got some tips from a true writer. He's 15, but he's been doin this shit for 6 years in NY. He uses the name Sper, if any NYC people see him around, give me a message, it's appreciated. Now, I practiced on lined paper, homeworks, notebooks, and then I thought of my name, Route. Now, I ain't tryin to pretend I'm good, a friend once told me that I'm shit until further notice, and I took that to heart. Now, I have a question for you, every one of you, as writers: Is the old shit good enough to keep? There are some fuckin old ass pieces round my way, the paint is fading and shit, but you can tell that at one time, it was incredible. The layout is still incredible, its just lost its luster. Now, for some reason, noones gone over it, which I'm happy to see. But I feel like someone needs to renovate it. Would it be acceptable for me to give it a fresh coat of paint? The artist is impossible to find, and its not like I'd be claiming I did it. Would that just be stupid? The reason it relates to this thread, is that if I do this, the cops gonna keep a closer watch on that area. IS that gonna shut it down? Please help

a toy's plee

[Super Z]

that'd be plain retarted

[Route]

thinking on it.... you're right. Sorry for the dumbass question

[bumcici]

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the watched trainspotting for sure bro

[dontsleep34]

dont go over any1 old or new unless you know for a fact your style will look better. actually dont go over anyone if you can help it.

[CharmCity]

My buddies and I bench on this really old monument marking a viaduct. It was built in 1832. We went down there a few weeks ago and some kids badly painted "fuk" "cunt" "asshole" all over it in cheap paint. After that some fairy compitant writers did some shit on it. I just can't believe that shit. I guess I feel like if you're fuckin with freights it shouldn't just be for graffiti, respect the history. I love trains just as much as I love the scribbles on their side, whether you give a fuck about them or not shouldn't matter. I think I'm just gonna grab a bucket and go over their shit, not because I care about the spot getting blown up but becase I care about the history. Some dumbass even went over the virgin brick at the base of it. Come on folks...I'm sure this doesn't apply to many here though, everybody seems to have a good head on thier shoulders, almost everybody at least.

[RAIN_TRB88]

yo route, that would be a little silly wouldnt it.

[bub-ole]

the original posting was about keeping spots chill, so it still applies.
i love good ol dayspots, factories are the best...
getting into the woolstores is risky now with those apartments right next to them...
i got spotted going over the fence and some middle aged lady started abusing me...
then i found some skaters absolutely wrecking the place, throwing shit around, dogging pieces...
no respect for quality art...
so i gave them a stern talking to, confiscated their paint and knocked them about a bit. god, little 13 yr old skaters are fucking annoying...
sounds like the same spot i hit up every now and then

[Knim_One]

ok without giving enough info to maybe blow this spot....

i have found a location about 15 miles from anything that i have noticed frieghts stopped at during the night. the location is very rural, but it is on live tracks. I'm gonna do some scouting and such before i even think about hitting them up.

Any advice for keepin it chill on a live track? There are woods nearby i can duck into no problem if i hear a train comin. I also plan to keep it super simple since im still a new writer and dont want to be putting shit up on trains.

[bub-ole]

just go by a couple times a week see what it looks like try to get a time pattern down for when the train(S) pass and then just dont leave and clues that you were there and make sure you know where your going through the woods that way you dont go in a circle and end up in the line of a rail crew or something.thats all the advice i can give you for now lol i dont do that many trains considering we only have 4-5 trains pass on a weekly average so good luck

[schizophrenia]

knim one- sounds like you found yerself a nice spot. don't go over the numbers or the box and don't leave shit around... read the first post on this thread if you haven't already... and you should be good. sounds like it'll be easy to get over there. have fun.

[Knim_One]

thanks guys. snow on the ground atm so i dont want to go trackin around and leaving prints. peace.

[MA562]

i went to checkout a yard lastnight that uses stadium style lighting, is this common? its a smaller yard but has a large maintinence facility that was open all night, kinda disapointing. its on a norfolk southern line, do they stay open 24hrs?

[r3ader]

who cares? that just means you don't have to struggle in the dark to see your work. unless there's mad employees walking around you should be fine. i got a buddy who only paints trains in the yard during day shift time (9-5) who sees employees all the time and just ducks. fuck it.

[StephenHarper]

Whats your guys advice on painting layups when there is snow on the ground? Obviously the is the problem with footprints although workers sometimes come to clean out the boxes. Secondly paint show up a lot easier on the snow. Do most of you still paint when there is snow or wait till it melts?

[Frate Raper]

Thats a tough one.....Why are you of all dudes asking that?

[Knim_One]

well i think he asks it cause we are young and want to get up, but dont want to blow up and we are wonderin if u have ever seen a spot go boom from tracks in the snow.

[Rank Frank]

Its funny how we all bitch about young writers going over better graffiti but I bet most of us have in our early days except me lol.
Heres some tips.
1.Dont tell anybody but your crew about spots.
2.When posting flicks on the net crop them right down so noone can see the skyline or signs that identify that spot.
3.If anyone asks you hey wheres that wall or lay up ? - YOU KNOW THEY WANNA PAINT IT just say its in another state or area far far away or that wall has been torn down now.Or they dont lay up there anymore.

[r3ader]

leaving foot prints is fine. if you don't tag all over the yard and you are respectful of the #s it should be fine.

[hatetown]

dont leave empty cans of paint behind

[xETHIXx]

leaving cans behind is hella stupid. On numerous occasions in my town, have good pieces gotten severely hacked by toy ass beef starters who got their paint just by finding it on the ground.

[bub-ole]

take the cap if your gonna leave the can its one step that the toy has to prepare for or take a pocket knife and just puncture it.or a smarter idea would to be take the cans with you your best bet

[Sike_Bomber]

^^im pretty sure you shouldn't puncture the cans, they still have compressed air in them most likely.

[bub-ole]

well usually i walk with the cans when im done pressin the cap down to let it all out and then i punture it but i dont do that often considering im a minor still,paint is valueble to me lol


p.s. if you are a toy and do that to a full can besure to video tape it for me please just for some entertainment

[mosluggo]

leaving cans behind is hella stupid. On numerous occasions in my town, have good pieces gotten severely hacked by toy ass beef starters who got their paint just by finding it on the ground.
Wait till someone that works for the railroad breaks their ankle on one of your cans and kiss that spot goodbye..

[xploda11]

make sure u hav more then 1 spot

[offdatHUBBA]

Damn i fucked up. went to this yard for the first time, had a bunch of empty cans next to my backpack that i was gonna take with me, cuz thats just common sence. Anyway, got chased, grabbed my backpack and left all the empty cans on the ground. the sucurity guards ran right past them while chasing me. they went back and got in they car and eventually caught us. we said we were taking pictures.they asked why my homie had paint all over his hand, and he said he practices the art at home and is interested in it, so we came out here to take pictures. then they asked why we ran, and i said cuz i was afraid of getting blurped for tresspassing. then they said 5-0 is already on their way but they will tell them that we were really cool about it, and were only taking photos.

I'm just happy we got so lucky and only got caught by some knock ass sucurity guards. I admit, that day i was on some toy shit, but im new to fraights.

bump this thread tho, i doubt ill be making anymore spots hot

[Mellow]

this is a great thread, alot of the stuff I knew out of commen sence but some new stuff to me. good informational thread

[Syfr]

Man, about the area codes, the place here...isn't actually here...My sister's pad is 3 hours away from mine, and about a 20 minute walk from her house there is a train and transfer yard that is NEVER used. I've been by the trains every time I'm there. Same car order, same tags, only two or three pieces.

[sk8er6]

ok, im a total newbie to trains. in this one industrial part of town, they keep trains near buildings sometimes. how do i know if its a "live track' and what exactly is a layup? is there a diffrence between a layup and a train yard? i really dont know, like i said, im new to trains, i usualy hit walls and such. please help me out without all the toy treatment. i know not to do anything dumb like on the first page, but i need help.

thanks,

sk8er6

p.s. i've been finding what looks like spots on google earth. there all in industrial areas near buildings.

also, as long as it looks clean, is it cool to do bombs on trains? or is it a strictly "if its not a piece, your shit is getting gone over"

[Mellow]

ok, im a total newbie to trains. in this one industrial part of town, they keep trains near buildings sometimes. how do i know if its a "live track' and what exactly is a layup? is there a diffrence between a layup and a train yard? i really dont know, like i said, im new to trains, i usualy hit walls and such. please help me out without all the toy treatment. i know not to do anything dumb like on the first page, but i need help.

thanks,

sk8er6

p.s. i've been finding what looks like spots on google earth. there all in industrial areas near buildings.

also, as long as it looks clean, is it cool to do bombs on trains? or is it a strictly "if its not a piece, your shit is getting gone over"

you can bomb trains, nothing says you have to piece it might last longer if you piece but probably dosen't matter.

[dr.pepper]

i have a question. what about the yellow reflector stip things? can u not go over those?

[Mellow]

i have a question. what about the yellow reflector stip things? can u not go over those?

I probably would say not too, just because it will most likely get replaced, unless you have no choice

[~>MooseKnuckle<~]

bombs on trains?

it probably wasnt a good idea to say that. have you been seeing black choppers circling your house lately? or hearing clicking noises on your phone?

[Cracked Ass]

Fuck a reflector. The FRA mandated all cars to have reflectors every so many feet so some trucker who's been up for 4 days on meth doesn't crash his rig into the side of a moving train at a clearly marked crossing. More bullshit from the nanny government trying to keep idiots from winning a Darwin award.
If you go over a reflector it will probably be replaced at the same speed as the buff.

[Boltcutter]

it probably wasnt a good idea to say that. have you been seeing black choppers circling your house lately? or hearing clicking noises on your phone?

LOL...

[nanie]

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[kobe bryant]

This issue obviously doesn't get addressed often enough, because I keep hearing about dumb shit going down and spots getting blown. All the veteran heads can skip this thread, except to add any minor points to think about or incidents where violation of these concepts brought heat to them personally. Anyone fairly new to trains should listen up. I'm going to talk at length about a bunch of related points.
THE MAIN ISSUE.
The main issue here is longevity of chill spots to paint freights. Any sane writer who is not a malicious shithead must agree that keeping a chill spot to piece freights is a good thing. The primary thing that blows spots is letting people (rail workers, cops, joe hero who walks his dog near the tracks and hates "taggers") know that painting gets done at that spot.
WITNESSES.
SOME rail workers hate graff and will report a spot getting hit to superiors/railcops/regular police. SOME passerby civilians hate graff and will call the cops about it if they see it being done. ALL cops are obviously down to nail writers. So: a significant percentage of people who see freights being painted, or can tell from evidence that they were painted right there, will take action. Maybe it's only ten or twenty percent, but so what? Why take the chance? This means 1) strive to be seen by zero people and 2) leave NO evidence around the train you just painted to clue people in that it was painted THERE instead of rolling in from someplace else. (This seems pretty basic, but there are plenty of people on this board who don't grasp it yet.)
DON'T GET SEEN.
Again, pretty obvious right? Not to some. To avoid being seen, paint only in a spot screened from most directions by trees, buildings, etc. Do not paint standing on a live track, because another train or one of those quiet, fast utility trucks on train wheels could roll on you. Remember, EVEN IF YOU CAN GET AWAY SUCCESSFULLY, IF YOU GOT SPOTTED PAINTING, YOU ATTRACTED ATTENTION AND HEAT TO THE SPOT. That fucks it up for you, which is only as bad as you think it is, but if other people paint that spot, you have fucked it up for them too, and they will be pissed off, cross you out, beat your head in, etc.
HISTORY/SENIORITY
If you're new to trains, the thing you need to understand is that if you find a spot to paint them, it may already be a regular spot for other heads in your area. They don't want their spot blown. They will not even like you painting there at all, because you have yet to prove you're smart enough not to fuck up the spot with dumb behavior. Also, they may have set their own limits on how many cars they'll hit per line that gets parked there, because hitting several trains in a row is a big clue to workers that painting occurs right there. When you piece there, you are possibly fucking with their rhythm.
This is not to say, don't hit any freight spot without permission. But do 2 things: one, observe the "chillness" advice I'm dropping here; and two, if senior heads confront you about painting their spot, respect what they have to say, whether it's "find another spot" or "don't paint the track side" or "don't hit more than 2 cars per line". If you don't respect the heads who have been hitting that spot before you, then welcome to beef.
THE DON'TS.
DON'T paint several cars in a row, or tag or bomb whole lines. Workers know that trains are always getting broken up and rearranged, and the exact same artwork on many cars in a row gives away that it was done right there.
DON'T leave empty cans at the spot, or get lazy about tossing them just a few feet out of sight. They will be seen by workers and noted. Dead giveaway.
DON'T test out your paint on the rocks, wall, ground, or rails right by the train. Another dead giveaway that painting happens right there. (I test my caps/cans on some unrelated part of the SAME car I am painting: the wheels or suspension, a pipe that hangs down, whatever.)
DON'T tag or bomb the walls, buildings, electrical boxes, trees or anything else near the yard, tracks, layup or wherever, unless the area is already crushed anyway. Another dead giveaway.
DON'T leave any other evidence besides the piece you just painted. Take your dirty glove away with you, throw it away somewhere else. If a can gushed or dripped on the rocks by the track, toss those rocks away, bury them, scatter em around, whatever.
DON'T paint over the numbers on freights - weight limits, reporting marks, hazmat info, or the little black box which is usually near the right end of the car as viewed from the side. This doesn't necessarily give a clue as to where the car was painted, but makes workers more interested in busting someone's ass. It also forces the railroad company to take the car out of service long enough to get those numbers restamped back on there, they are required by law to have that info displayed, and if the costs of repainting numbers add up enough they'll hire more railroad security and put heat on everyone.
RECON.
One thing you should do after finding a spot, but before painting it, is go down there with no paint on you, scope out the whole area: trees, paths, fences, escape routes, and not just the physical layout but stay awhile and/or check in several times a week to find out when it gets switched, what time local businesses close for the night, when trains go by, stuff like that that clues you in to a good time/way to hit it up.
CONCLUSION.
The goal is to not let anyone know that trains get painted at a certain spot. You want workers to think that any pieces on that line rolled in from somewhere else. And even if you do everything right, and they smell the fresh paint of the pieces, you might be okay anyway because, since you stayed off the numbers, didn't leave cans for them to trip over, etc. they won't care enough to report it.
Following these fairly simple guidelines keeps spots chill, avoids beef, and extends the life of the freight scene.


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[Edward Orenthal Norton]

Fuck a reflector. The FRA mandated all cars to have reflectors every so many feet so some trucker who's been up for 4 days on meth doesn't crash his rig into the side of a moving train at a clearly marked crossing. More bullshit from the nanny government trying to keep idiots from winning a Darwin award.
If you go over a reflector it will probably be replaced at the same speed as the buff.

yeah..depending on what paint you use..the vinyl the reflectors are made out of can make your paint drip/run...numbers-if you have good can control and the skinny enough cap..you can thin the letters/numbers down till they're the width of your finger..just make sure they are still readable..then you probaly shouldnt get stamped...and for everyone excitement...U.P. has know started running their shiny new autoraks...

[INTERNET GANGSTER]

THE REFLECTORS CAN GET PAINTED LIKE THE NUMBERS MIGHT NOT RIDE FOREVER

[DJ Ren]

what if the spot i found is already really fucked up? there are canals right by the trains ands other locals just straight tagged them all! i already read that "freight Train graffiti" book before i even knew about the spot, so i kinda knew a little about what to do and what not to do and when i saw that i was wtf!? should i keep going back..its the only train yard here. also the last time we went was about january and we got chased out.so i wanted to wait before going back.so when we went this week it was calm. and the other writers are assholes that dont talk to us cause they think there are better cause theyve been writing longer but they straight up suck!

[Cracked Ass]

Most city yards have a different feel, a lot of places the walls are already crushed, cans everywhere, and there's bombers in every city who don't give a fuck about freights but come through mostly to hit the walls, and the freights are right there so they write on them too. Not much you can do about that. Typically places that are like that, the cops have bigger things to worry about than writers, although they may patrol those spots and bust anybody who's up to anything. I can't really help you, you have to learn the rhythms of your own spots if it's clear that writers have been there or are there a lot.
At a few of my cutty spots where the walls were clean, I have buffed toy shit that popped up on the walls, and obviously taken out those toys' shit on the freights as punishment.

[DJ Ren]

hmm alright man. thanks for the advice

[sewr]

The yard we have has like trains emptying out weird crap and it doesn't move for like a month or two. Would it still be okay to paint on 'em? Our yard isn't too big, just 2 tracks and a load of trains. And out the other end is a firestation. Another end has the industrial part of the town. It's also near a semi-busy road and near a car repair shop thing.

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

and FIND GOOD PARKING!

^^^
this

parking in the wrong area and looking like a suspicious vehicle can blow a spot. people in the area will call it in to the cops. the cops show up.
1. you get busted walking back to your car with a bag filled with empty cans of paint. they know without asking what you were doing.
2. if your lucky they will just question the shit out of you, possibly impounded your car for illegal parking, or you get a ticket.

either way, finding a good place to park is a must if the yard is not in walking/bus/train ride from your house. so add that to your list of things to look for when your prospecting a new yard or spot.

[Overtime]

The big problem with this thread idea, is that a real freight writer will already be doing this. Some chump who doesnt care is not going to read this and then act that way. Most of the stuff concerning freights is common knowledge(well, common knowledge to not retards).

[fishsticks]

that is true, but it teaches these young bucks not to fuck it up for us.

[GREYRATTLERS]

I have this spot, it's pretty shit...A freight train comes along and reverses all the way in and starts to get filled with this weird substance by these big tractors, it moves along every 10-15mins once the drivers engine has gone past its a ok to paint...Only thing 10-15mins is no time for quality...Fuck painting euro fat cap outline shit...The spots only good for throws and tags...I only like doing quality on steel.

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

or some single color blocks?

[medznsc]

have you staked out the spot? how do you know they arent "leaving them there overnight" on a regular basis? Just cause its not a spot you know about, doesnt mean it isnt a spot.

or a set up recon leatherneck...
they do that ya know...

[thedudeman]

ok idk wher to ask this so ill put it here.. how exactly do you find a train yard? ive used google earth and found TONS of layups but when i go to check em out theyr always very active during the night time.. or theyre right in the middle of town or have a busy street running parallel to them.. ive asked the other writers around my area where they paint trains but they get all stingy and defensive and wont tell me.. i stay in northern california and i know there are yards around the bay and i have a feeling there might be a couple in the valley.. anyone wanna help me out?? how have you found your train yards??

[.hopeless.]

most cats arent gonna tell you where their yards are becuase one they dont want to fuck up their yard and they dont want to compete with you for space.. live in .i think your problem is you live in NORCAL.i hear its pretty active up there but i mean they usually keep trains over night somewhere along the track which is where i usually go.i dont fuck with yards to much its to much of a hassle when i have a perfectly good spot 2 miles closer anyways.but if it were me i would just go later like 2 or 3 am maybe and see if its still active.my place is pretty much silent after about 8ish...

[VICIOUS->147]

Kill all writers that go to your spot, its the only way.

[.hopeless.]

lol.the best way i found was one not to be seen which should be fucking obvious enough and two to clean up after yourself.the workers check the lines regulary...also dont write on shit in the yard other than the train itself and dont test paint on tracks.they notice that shit...and if they catch you painting there its an asswhoopin.which will be completely justified...theyll just say"oh well we were trying to stop him from leaving and he put up a fight" or something like that.its much easier tho to find a place somehwere on the track that isnt a yard where they keep cars to paint...less security and usually less activity in general...at least where im at.basicly everything thats already been covered haha.

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[not_guilty]

my yard is pretty chill i've never seen security there, i usally go when theres no workers, what you gota do is recon the yard, there will be a day or days when there arnt any workers or any thing, lets say your doing a piece in a yard and you hear some one coming, it could be a worker, writer or any one YOU must get outa there as quick as possiabel take a plastic bag insted of a back pack because you can leave the plastic bag if you get chased or if you hear some one coming and need to get outa there, and dont go over the numbers

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[Dont Ignore Real Talent!]

dope thread good shit up on here

[Patches101]

i was walking down the tracks at the yard that i paint, and those pretty little CSX f-150's with the train wheels, so they can drive on the tracks pulled up. he stopped, i looked at him and said, "you know where front street is by any chance?'' calm and respectful, he said "nope. have no idea, sorry" it scared me. lol. another time i was painting gandolas at this spot, and a meth head popped out of the thing. i about shit myself, but he said "looks good" and continued on stealing scrap metal. i almost got nacked by a humped car going at least 30. just make sure no big crews "own" the yard your at, or else you might as well hand your paint to them and run. i only got lucky once in a yard, when an OG walked up to me and said, what ya doin here? i was like not shit, you write? he said yeah, and we ended up paintin the whole day. pretty tight. just be careful, use common sense, avoid as much trouble as possible, because if you get stopped, youll get a free place to stay, 3 free hot meals a day, guarnteed shower relationship with a not-so-friendly compainon, and a good set of bright orange clothing
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[dontlookback]

ive never had any problems in any of my layups... i have one yard per say but its more like a layup.....ive never had any problems there cuz i only hit it at times when nobody is there (and everybody has heard about the place yet im one of 4 people that catch it). the yards around me suck because they are hella active so i dont really fuck with them unless im desperate.

bottom line.....do your homework and youll be ok. not that many people around my area catch trains.....they usually leave the city(major) to paint less active yards, which works out for me. theres only one layup that the railroad knows is getting painted on the reg....its a real shithole, shitty train selection, and empty cans everywhere, but it seems they let it ride.

[Lewis and Clark]

**Bump this shit, everything that should be said has been.

dont heat up spots.

[Lady_Sec]

I got a spot right behind my job. If I wanted to I could hit it up after work and no one would know. Literally right behind the building. Cars have been parked there for a bit, hope they don't move em before I get a chance to hit em up.

[not_guilty]

i live in australia things are a bit diffirent here the yard that i go to is pretty chill i only go there when theres no workers which is sunday theres house's that back onto the yard which sucks but theres also a main road on the other side which cops probable drive along here you have to ware one of those safty vest's so it looks like you work there the yard its self isnt to active you get a few trains go past and its broken up in to 2 bits yard A which has all the good cars and yard B which has box cars that i think they dont use every one knows about this yard alot of people go there pretty chill to paint if any one come's to melbourne australia i'll give the location

[skywalker]

Don't let the engine or if highspeeds (amtrack passenger cars) go by the line don't let them see you either there just one radio click away from informing the rail cops... duck under the train or lay down flat keep your bag out of site if you can and make sure all your shit STAYS in the bag leaving shit behind is a dumb drunken misstake...

[injury]

I did this with balky Krylon silvers at a layup and it took me an hour to rip up all the silver grass and dirt and throw it away and smooth over the ground.
from another thread

[not_guilty]

Don't let the engine or if highspeeds (amtrack passenger cars) go by the line don't let them see you either there just one radio click away from informing the rail cops... duck under the train or lay down flat keep your bag out of site if you can and make sure all your shit STAYS in the bag leaving shit behind is a dumb drunken misstake...

theres house near the yard and i all ways make sure no one see's me go in or out i painted there the other day and its chill as fuck