this is what graffiti should be about...

[and now you choke]

[img]http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/parkstreet/1337/360039c0.jpg'>

this flick was taken from The Graveyard Shift. it's by Veks KYT. granted the piece looks like shit, it's almost obvious that the dude went nuts painting it. drunk, yes, but it must have been fun as hell. look at all the little retarded swerves and kicks...yes! then instead of writing "drunken" in a normal way he decided to put the N in its own panel...fucking brilliant! veks is showing you guys how to paint without any of you actually picking up on it. let loose and have fun! if you're gonna be up tight about everything pack your bags and head off to the legal wall! thank you, veks. another lesson learned.
see you toys, later!

[imported_blahblahblahblah]

DRORNK N

[imported_blahblahblahblah]

bummp

[imported_blahblahblahblah]

bump

[dropone]

I agree. getting wasted and going painted is a good idea. On the downside fi I have to run ill have a gut full of alcohol to slow me down and, If caught an underage drinking fine on top of that. Smart remarks aside, the drunken aesthetics of it are "fucking brilliant".
This IS what graffiti is all about.

[BIG YEAR]

DOP E

[Face Me Face Death]

so I have to drink to be a "real" graffiti writer?..awesome, I have been looking for a good reason to sell out the edge. its just not stylish anymore.

[peat]

when i 1st started painting i had to be drunk just to have enough nerv to stay in one place painting for more than a few seconds.

[brown twinkie]

drunk...sure.
bent the fuck out wrecked...good luck.

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[imported_phocuz]

shut your fucking mouth. heh.

[imported_Europe]

Is that what graffiti should be about. Somebody lied to me then...

[and now you choke]

god you guys are anal. you didn't catch my drift. graffiti is about having fun.

not about being cool. not about being popular. not about being super tech fancy schmancy pretty happy blah blah shit..it's about going out and doing stupid shit and laughing about it all in retrospect. if you don't live by that policy with regards to graffiti maybe you ought to check yourself and ask if you're a little too uptight.

have any of you read "the art of getting over"? did you not pick up on what espo was saying?

[imported_pervertedmunk]

good post. words of wisdom.

[Bare]

Who says that theres one way to have fun with graffiti and everything else is like a chore? If you want to go out and do crazy stocked tip shit in a drunken rage and laugh about it thats really cool, but what if others take great pleasure in working at a legal wall or really chill spot for hours? Theres merit in that too my friend. Graffiti is what you make of it, the tools to create really great work are at our hands and people can choose to work with that too. I dig a lot of sifferent styles, I'm into kids who can do shit like Veks or Eatfuk or a lot of Midwestern kids or whoever, but there are different schools of graffiti and they need to coexist. Graffiti is what you make of it and how it makes you, the tech artist or the kamakazi stocked tipped bomber feel. To each his own, please don't judge...

[imported_Samuel O' Rielly]

<<< wasted

[This message has been edited by Samuel O' Rielly (edited 03-20-2001).]

[dirtroad]

I like it, and what's kinda funny is that it is cleaner than a lot of the people's shit who are on this board. I think what this guy is saying is get loose, not necessarily get drunk.

[seeking]

i used to have a certain level of respect for people that painted trains with stocks. but then i realized they only did it because they couldnt go over the ridges with a thin. now i think its weak. if your not painting clean with a stock cap, who gives a shit that you used it at all? its not any harder to paitn with one, and infact id say its even easier. but thats just my two sence.
and i agree with choke completely, but like bare said, to each his own. i like making things look clean. its alot of fun. its what i enjoy. that cant be wrong ya know...

[Comp Shoes]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
i used to have a certain level of respect for people that painted trains with stocks. but then i realized they only did it because they couldnt go over the ridges with a thin.

haha, I dont think thats why people use stock tips.

[BucketHead]

i use stock tips cause i cant buy thin caps.. easy as that... and i dig usin em for your forcefield... if i had thin caps id use em every goddamn time

[seeking]

Originally posted by Comp Shoes:
haha, I dont think thats why people use stock tips.

do you paint? go over a ridge with a stock, then go over one with a thin. its much harder to paint with thins.
and im not dissing anyone that uses stocks, im just saying i think its silly to 'brag' about how you only paint with stocks unless your making lines as clean as a thin. its not like its difficult to get thin lines with a stock...

[Comp Shoes]

I agree with you about bragging about painting with a stock cap, and yes I paint, im willing to bet I paint more than you do. I dont think it is harder to go over the ridge with a thin cap. If its hard for you then maybe try a different technique.

[canadian retard]

stock caps are way easier to go over ridgies

[and now you choke]

how did stock caps ever get into this?

seeking, maybe you misinterpreted my talk of perfectionists as defense for lazy stock cap writers. no, that's not it at all. i'm saying do it right, however you want to do it, the first time around. do it so it won't cause you the trouble of going over it 100 times trying to clean things up. be free, have fun, let go of all the anal retentivness! your art is not you...

[This message has been edited by and now you choke (edited 03-20-2001).]

[imported_fartus]

i like to get drunk,
i like to paint freights,
i like to use stck caps.

[seeking]

choke: i knew what you meant, thats why i agreed. [img]http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb//smile.gif'>

[imported_Seym1has2no3fiends]

Originally posted by fartus:
i like to get drunk,
i like to paint freights,
i like to use stck caps.

it's not like you're smart or anything though. Next!!!

[the common cold]

a round of applause and a pat on the back.. good job, friend. everything i wanted to say has already been said.

and willy, i've been thinking about that little talk we had and your right. a child's instinctive abilty to not be able to comprehend the normal bounds of reality is one that is very wonderful and very beautiful.

[and now you choke]

woosh. to the top you go.

[the common cold]

i know the majority of the kids on this board won't read or get any of this, but they should.. sooooooooooo bump right up.

[freddy kreuger]

choke... perfectly put. i couldn't agree more.

[boxcarwilly]

philosophy:
trying to get free of everything trying to lose all the constraints and inhibitions that modern art (ie graffiti guidelines) are what is going to lead to a new movement. sooner or later graffiti soulful feeling graffiti will probably be childlike empty but you will feel it i was having this didscussion with iron, we should just free ourselves fuck what i think fuck what anyone thinks about your stuff, i know i personally get critical but alot of it comes back to the fact that you know when a kid is losse and feels everything he has coming through in a piece, drunkenness helps this because you lose what you were taught how to be straight how to be clean how to be proportionate how to paint and you go simple in the mindstate that is graffiti, feel it like a good beat. dance with it.
it probably sounds really gay but this is my reflection you dont have to agree or even try it but this is me getting metaphysical.
oh yeah bump
jobe

[freddy kreuger]

get up there...

[THE HYENA]

Originally posted by and now you choke:
how did stock caps ever get into this?

seeking, maybe you misinterpreted my talk of perfectionists as defense for lazy stock cap writers. no, that's not it at all. i'm saying do it right, however you want to do it, the first time around. do it so it won't cause you the trouble of going over it 100 times trying to clean things up. be free, have fun, let go of all the anal retentivness! your art is not you...

[This message has been edited by and now you choke (edited 03-20-2001).]

actually i have to kind of dissagree with this all.
my art is very much me. i dont have any idea why any one person can say what graf is "all about".
in one aspect, you are right, have fun. but what if "fun to me is being a perfectionist and going over shit till i feel its right?.
sometimes i am in the mood for the free feeling and sometimes i want a message sent out. most of the time i want that.
if i set out to do something i want it done right, and i cant always hit it on the first shot and im not that care free that i dont care about that.
i dont have much cash and im older. so i dont rack. sue me. tell me im not a "real" writer. i could care less. so no money for paint. and even less time to get out and do it. so when i do get out, i want my shit right.
i feel much better when i slave over something and work it with all my heart to the visions in my head than letting something run around that doesnt represent me.
ive been painting along time, and im fairly confident in my ability to pull off simple styles, but when im looking for more i put in more.
i think that you should do what you need to and thats that. i realise you prolly didnt mean for this to turn into a debate, picking apart your words and all that, and i appologise if im still not getting what youre saying but from the perspective of someone who doesnt "get drunk" and enjoys attention to detail, i cant really relate to what youre saying graf is all about. no disrespect intended. i enjoyed the piece above and i like the style. i totally love that style. free5 is one of my favorite writers.
but its just not how i operate.
takes all kinds.

[and now you choke]

Originally posted by HYENA:
actually i have to kind of dissagree with this all.
my art is very much me. i dont have any idea why any one person can say what graf is "all about".
in one aspect, you are right, have fun. but what if "fun to me is being a perfectionist and going over shit till i feel its right?.
sometimes i am in the mood for the free feeling and sometimes i want a message sent out. most of the time i want that.
if i set out to do something i want it done right, and i cant always hit it on the first shot and im not that care free that i dont care about that.
i dont have much cash and im older. so i dont rack. sue me. tell me im not a "real" writer. i could care less. so no money for paint. and even less time to get out and do it. so when i do get out, i want my shit right.
i feel much better when i slave over something and work it with all my heart to the visions in my head than letting something run around that doesnt represent me.
ive been painting along time, and im fairly confident in my ability to pull off simple styles, but when im looking for more i put in more.
i think that you should do what you need to and thats that. i realise you prolly didnt mean for this to turn into a debate, picking apart your words and all that, and i appologise if im still not getting what youre saying but from the perspective of someone who doesnt "get drunk" and enjoys attention to detail, i cant really relate to what youre saying graf is all about. no disrespect intended. i enjoyed the piece above and i like the style. i totally love that style. free5 is one of my favorite writers.
but its just not how i operate.
takes all kinds.

well, i'm not trying to be the almighty answer and tell people how their lives should be and what graffiti IS and should be by definition. i was attempting to strip away the aesthetics that people get tangled in and go to the core behind painting. sure, painting can be something meaningful, representative of who you are, etc, but think even more fundamentally. you're down and out, so you pick up your paint and go out and do whatever you will. to some extent it'll lift your spirits like an old group of friends will, whether you do something silly or release a load of tension in a piece. painting is recreation, a hobby, a lifestyle at most, but why? at the core it's all because of pleasure.
and i'm not advocating careless, sloppy, work, there's just a border i'm not willing to cross when it comes to detail. when it stops being fun to paint it, then forget it, screw the details...i'll sacrifice the piece if need be. nothing to dwell on or hang your head over, some days just go like that. that's why it's important to realize that your artwork is not you. at best, like you even said, it's a representation of you. sometimes you're off...so let it show. let it really be representative.
to each his own. let me just say, i wasn't implying "get drunk and go paint". drinking had nothing to do with this topic other then veks using it as an approach to having fun. i was just disecting his piece and laughing at the quirks.

word.

[imported_pervertedmunk]

bump for the pick for
"intelectual post of the week"

[seeking]

Originally posted by and now you choke:
your artwork is not you. at best, like you even said, it's a representation of you.


its as much of 'me' as anything else that i am or do. if i say something the words represent me. if i dye my hair purple, it represents me. if i paint a piece, it represents me. nothing in this world 'is' me, because 'i' am not inherently anything. i am the representation of my thoughts, ideas and actions. the representation of my skin stretched over my bones. having met hyena, i can honestly say that i can completely see 'him' in his work. same with joker and dibs and bob hope and all the people ive had the fortune to paint with.
im not arguing with you, or trying to further pick apart your post. i agree with you on just about all of it, i just had to inject my buddhist 'anatma' philosophies... ignore me...

[pOnik]

another thing that bugs me is people that get to paranoid and do a runner everytime they think they hear foot steps

retards

[imported_fvk1]

1)I get drunk
2)I have used stock caps
3)I laugh whenever I paint.

[freddy kreuger]

Originally posted by and now you choke:
let loose
damn people...ease up...christ...

[raildeviant]

who cares what i have to say....
i think fun is definetely key, whether it be fun from doing a drunken stock tip burner or fun from cutting back every line and perfecting a piece, as long as you enjoy it, then do it. I think it's important to practice enough that you know you can do a fucking tight burner if you so choose. Once you can do that, then it allows you to throw caution to the wind and try new shit, new styles without worrying if people will like it or not. If you know you can do good, then have fun and do a lot of loose shit...it's liberating to not give a fuck.

[imported_PANCHO VILLA]

I DONT THINK THAT PIECE WAS PAINTED TO SHOW US ANY KINDA LESSON..ANALYZING PIECES IS WAK. U WANT A PIECE TO CONVEY A MESSAGE?..GO PAINT ONE YERSELF.

[uselessuse]

yea my objective is to do a better piece everytime i go out,and i have the most fun wen i get technicle and busy with my style,cuz im expanding my style into sumthing more elaborate wich to me is fun,very fun!bombin is fun but i dont get a rush,i get hungry and extremely tired,im not a fat ass.maybe im malnutritioned.to everybody out there if its cool to u,its cool to me,if u like it ,then i like it too.do wut u want,have fun in every and any way u can.peace

[kid furie]

when i read the topic for this post, i thought it was gonna have porno in it and it didn't and now im bitter.

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(Are those Bugle Boy jeans you're wearin?)
Hell nah hoe, you know they Polo's

[and now you choke]

you guys are lost. go find direction.

[kid furie]

Originally posted by kid furie:
when i read the topic for this post, i thought it was gonna have porno in it and it didn't and now im bitter.


word...

[Ouija]

I love every minute of graffiti and painting. I even like taking my caps out and selecting one.

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ouija13transcend3a

[bigdork]

i havent drank in 8 years, all my crew members except one are alcholics, I get contact drunk, I use stock caps only, and I usually paint naked, and I dont care if anybody likes my graffiti, as long as i have fun and im up and i can write something funny or intelligent next to my crap, im happy!! i paint to justify my existance, thats it!!

[imported_KONG 42]

Originally posted by and now you choke:
god you guys are anal. you didn't catch my drift. graffiti is about having fun.

not about being cool. not about being popular. not about being super tech fancy schmancy pretty happy blah blah shit..it's about going out and doing stupid shit and laughing about it all in retrospect. if you don't live by that policy with regards to graffiti maybe you ought to check yourself and ask if you're a little too uptight.

have any of you read "the art of getting over"? did you not pick up on what espo was saying?

its all about doing FUNNY SHIT. Like writing COCKSHIT in nice neighboorhoods and on starbuck's windows.

[peat]

porn would rule!!!

[SNOee]

I would type a lot here, but I haven't the energy. ..just letting you guys know.


Pancho, you're a retard.


That piece inspires me every time I see it. Thank you choker.

[*ZEMONEDOE$]

why you wanna hurt me.after all of the things ive done for you.my girl wants to party all the time.being drunk and goin bomin is all that.you get more balls.but yo,you gotta be on your toes man.i rember atag on 11th in china town.kair"on as shit"now i dont think he was drunk...but thats what im sayin

[*ZEMONEDOE$]

why you wanna hurt me.after all of the things ive done for you.my girl wants to party all the time.being drunk and goin bomin is all that.you get more balls.but yo,you gotta be on your toes man.i rember atag on 11th in china town.kair"on as shit"now i dont think he was drunk...but thats what im sayin

[*ZEMONEDOE$]

why you wanna hurt me.after all of the things ive done for you.my girl wants to party all the time.being drunk and goin bomin is all that.you get more balls.but yo,you gotta be on your toes man.i rember atag on 11th in china town.kair"on as shit"now i dont think he was drunk...but thats what im sayin

[imported_Fr@se]

ribbit

[imported_Fr@se]

ribbit

[and now you choke]

wooshhhhhhhhhh

[imported_TED NUGENT]

Originally posted by Ouija:
I love every minute of graffiti and painting. I even like taking my caps out and selecting one.



i like BEER ,BICTHES AND ROCK AND ROLL

[imported_charlie dundar]

though the drinking part escapes me,writing should be about having fun....too many times it can feel like a job,when in reality it should be to have a good time.props to veks.kyt.and everyone else who doesn't care about "what's cool now in graffiti"..and while i don't think veks would call this his best work,he again got up.plus we're all talking about it..................

[1st Rate]

I'm only in it for the money.


Oh yeah, and the bitches. . . . . . . sweet, sweet bitches.

[and now you choke]

burp.

[imported_fu]

man listen to this sh#t we got philosphers on graff, listen to how they try to philosphizes graff.. oh stock tip this thin that man u guys don't paint I know it.. man if u paint fr8's(STOP) or walls what ever u do u dont do it enough so u are what we call prophiters.. u guys sit here listen to all the hi jinx on here and then put your basic ass thought into and then get hurt and try to kick people off that just want to look at some pic's and see whats rollin thru.... but the tru elite members will take u out because they have way more post then u ...they post all city ...they post shit from like1999 and still runnnin....and they know everthing because there 12oz.prophet board supervisors

[and now you choke]

you're preaching to the choir, numbnuts. so shut it, chop shop.

[and now you choke]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z zzzzzzzzzzz zzzz. it's what i should be doing....and it's what you guys ARE doing. zzzzzzzzz

[This message has been edited by and now you choke (edited 08-25-2001).]

[seven.13]

Don't take your selves so seriously.
You'll wind up making shit out of macaroni in a psych ward.
[img]http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb//smile.gif'>

[and now you choke]

zzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz . to the good times, up you go. as they say in europe, cheers. or something

[imported_ruEtbeer]

Originally posted by PANCHO VILLA:
I DONT THINK THAT PIECE WAS PAINTED TO SHOW US ANY KINDA LESSON..ANALYZING PIECES IS WAK. U WANT A PIECE TO CONVEY A MESSAGE?..GO PAINT ONE YERSELF.

your swingin from the balzak...