Counter Terrorists

[Dirty_habiT]

What do you predict will happen tomorrow, as far as our (USA) decisions on what to do is concerned?

[miz303]

...you never konw the truth...they could have told the us government that they were going to bomb some shit. right now they are up to something that may start a huge war...shit like this has never happened,we need to come together 'now' or they are going to try to pick us off one by one...

[imported_bobobi11]

General Clarke the former NATO Supreme Commander was just interviewed on CNN. He said that we should consider this the beginning of war, that the US will strike back. He also cautioned to be on alert because these actions are probably not over.

[CHEESEBURGER]

i hate this world!!!i wanna know for a proven fact that im gunna servive til im like 95 yrs.old.i know it cant hapen like that.i hate this planet.humans are so uncivilized,almost like fuking animals.well all i gotta say is my condolences go out to anyone in nyc rite now and for all the people missing their loved ones.ftw!!!!!

[brown twinkie]

this seems to be a serious failure of intelligence.
apparently the cia and the nsa had zero knowledge of
this attack...that means no indication even minutes or
hours before this happened......they had no idea...zero....
i saw a program on 60minutes a few months ago with
the head of the nsa....he said that the intelligence power
of the nsa is seriously lacking becuz of the new climate
of communications......
this just proves how lacking and complacent these
systems have become.
with that said.........i would be extremely cautious about all
this hasty retaliatory talk......if these terrorists are as slick as
they seem right now, chances are they've considered how
the us will react and have planned accordingly...
disconcerting to say the least..

[footsoldier]

this is all so fuckin over the top, i cant even believe it, i honesty dont know what to think...this was most likly a terrorist group so who are we goign to have war against?? if it were a country we'd have someone to fight,....my greatest sympathy goes out to anyone in or realted to or friends with anyone hurt or killed in all ofthis....it sucks because teh us has done some fucked up shit and its my beliefe that it everything comesback around, if thats true than we havea lot more coming..we're gonna all suffer for being americans...fuck all of this

[brown twinkie]

there is speculation that this IS NOT and act of a terrorist group.
considering the logistics of the attacks.....some reports
have said that some experts and officials are speculating
that this could have only been pulled off by a government or
governments..........again, its all speculation right now...

[*see-phore*]

not defending anyone here but do you guys really know what the us has done to the mid east?this type of shit on a regular basis.and im sure g.w.bush knew this was going to happen befor it did,what do you expect from a coke headed oil tycoon obsessed with starting off where his dad left off.....oh and the middle east countries never had a chance to negotiate because clinton/bush never gave them a chance to..."stop produing weapons or we'll bomb you!shut down your armed services or we'll kill your women and children"....but this is really sad, my dads in ny state right now,near albany.i hope hes alright!

[KARD like WOE]

the world is gonna end... atleast my boy in manhatten is alright...

[--zeSto--]

hey see-phore....

I know exactly what you mean,
but now may not be the time.

America was having a financial crisis,
and it just got worse.

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by --zeSto--:
hey see-phore....

I know exactly what you mean,
but now may not be the time.

America was having a financial crisis,
and it just got worse.

cool,i just wrote that shit cause of the "lets kill all iraqies" type of shit that some people are writing

[B_As_In_Bot]

Originally posted by brown twinkie:
this seems to be a serious failure of intelligence.
apparently the cia and the nsa had zero knowledge of
this attack...




Its also a fact that the united states posseses one of the worlds largest spy centers..

I sure hope somebody was fired.

[imported_Retired Hasbeen]

How does the worlds most advance Intelligence operatives not have any prior knowledge of such a massive operation?
If ECHELON truly does exist, how does this slip thru the cracks? And what ramifications will this have on the public at large?
Keep a cool head, use reason as your guide.This is an enormous operation conducted by people with serious knowledge of national security and logistics.
Question the responses to this act, what effect will it have on the US population?
This is the change.Our freedoms will be effected.
I give out my deepest condolences to those who lives were lost.
...a TRAGIC DAY TO SAY THE LEAST.

[seeking]

right now the palestinians are being held captive and murdered by opressive rule in isreal. if they were going to take action, dont you think it would be against them instead of us? were the only hope they have.

there is some serious ignorance going on in this thread. yeah johnny, lets go kill everyone with brown skin. they did this. we celbrated when we dropped bombs on iraqi hospitals. we celebrated when we dropped bombs on vietnamese villages, we celebrated when we dropped bombs on two major japanese cities. none of those were military targets. hiroshima and nagasaki are the US equivelants of philly and atlanta. but we celebrated none the less. ding dong the witch is dead.

[Apelles]

Seeking is my new hero. I might as well stop posting, I agree with everything he has said so far.

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[The Taco bell Bomber]

its the end of the world as we know it and i feel finnnnnneeeeeee

[*ZEMONEDOE$]

these fucks were dancing in the streets.holding up the victory symbol.dancing in the fucking street.your right seek there is mad ignorance going on.but thats equaly shared by both sides.we wanna point the finger.but when you point a finger at someone,there are three more pointing back at you.
stop trying to controll every one and let them voice there anger,and sadness.
pray for these victims.pray for there families.
right now we have circumstancual evidence we wont know the facts for some time to come,what we do know is this is a act of war.
and our goverment will blaim someone.and hopefully they will pay.

[--zeSto--]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
the tali-ban is no worse than our government.

you really believe that?

it may be oppresive, but not even close

[seeking]

people fail to see things in the broader sence. they were partying. fine. every day of our american lives we go around ignoring the racism, sexism, homelessness, poverty, and trajedy in our own country. we take our little paycheks at the end of the week and we go party and we never stop to the think about the blood that was lost so we can have coke to mix with our rum and bananas for our daquaries.

im not trying to corall anyone into looking at things through my eyes, just give a little more rational, objective viewpoint. people can and will think as they'd like.

[--zeSto--]

indeed!

america has never had to question their own consumption.
That is the freedon the country wants.
The right to never have to say 'sorry'.

Yes your goverment kills people,
as does the Taliban, but look at the
rights and freedoms you do enjoy.
Even if socio-financial divides keep you poor and uneducated,
it's a lot better than being under 'house-arrest' for life because of religion or gender.

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[seeking]

sorry, i guess im just one of those people that always believed in the idea that...

"no man is free when others are oppressed"

and that idea extends well beyond my own family, friends and even countrymen... i cant change the world, but i can stand in protest of the things i believe to be wrong. even if that just means standing steadfast here on this messageboard...

[--zeSto--]

so your point is...?

None are free untill All are free.

I agree with that whole harted.
But with the loss of any freedom,
one party becomes the opressor and one
become opressed. You may agree with this,
as nasty as it is to say,
The Western Industrial Power (aka america)
is this planets' true opressor.
Life would be much different picking bananas or making nikes.
I say it's possible for Americans to have less freedom.
Can you agree with that?

I'm out of here but will be back.

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[Umpa Loompa]

Originally posted by otherwise:
all palestinians must die!!!


although its harsh..but they showed a bunch of palestinians runnning around cheering, waving flags and basically partying about this attack.. i dont know about ALL of them being killed...., we should fucking drop an A bomb on those fucking dicks...i cant stand shit like this...and when i saw these assholes runnig around cheering.yelling laughing..it just makes me even more mad.. and they even had little kids waving flags and shit..these kids dont even fucking know what there cheering about!!! i wish i could just go up to those little kids and just fucking SHOOT THEM...ive always been against guns..but now, i think we all need guns and we need to take control of this shit...
and i dont mean any disrespect to an palistinians in US...unless you happen to be a fucking crazy asshole fuck up...

and by me living around the boston area..it makes me even more scared to know that these assholes where IN boston!! there could bombs all around the city..WHO KNOWS!????

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Umpa Loompa:

although its harsh..but they showed a bunch of palestinians runnning around cheering, waving flags and basically partying about this attack.. i dont know about ALL of them being killed...., we should fucking drop an A bomb on those fucking dicks...i cant stand shit like this...and when i saw these assholes runnig around cheering.yelling laughing..it just makes me even more mad.. and they even had little kids waving flags and shit..these kids dont even fucking know what there cheering about!!! i wish i could just go up to those little kids and just fucking SHOOT THEM...ive always been against guns..but now, i think we all need guns and we need to take control of this shit...
and i dont mean any disrespect to an palistinians in US...unless you happen to be a fucking crazy asshole fuck up...

and by me living around the boston area..it makes me even more scared to know that these assholes where IN boston!! there could bombs all around the city..WHO KNOWS!????


if you were a little kid and some fucker came up and beat you up and someone saw it and punched that kid in the face wouldnt you cheer?

[seeking]

Originally posted by Umpa Loompa:

although its harsh..but they showed a bunch of palestinians runnning around cheering, waving flags and basically partying about this attack... we should fucking drop an A bomb on those fucking dicks... and when i saw these assholes runnig around cheering.yelling laughing..it just makes me even more mad.. and they even had little kids waving flags and shit..these kids dont even fucking know what there cheering about!!! i wish i could just go up to those little kids and just fucking SHOOT THEM...

and by me living around the boston area..it makes me even more scared to know that these assholes where IN boston!!

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they looked on and cheered? that reminds me of someone... just cant think who...

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this pic was taken in boston in the 60's.




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[asteriskoner]

fuck people where partyin when the gulf war started.....

[imported_dr. frink one]

Originally posted by otherwise:
all palestinians must die!!!

fuck you you gun toting idiot

[*see-phore*]

seeking take those pictures down its just going to start more shit

[Dirty_habiT]

I feel like the USA is at a major loss right now.
It even seems kinda efortless what they did to cause such pain.
This was a premeditated attack, whoever did this, did it with the idea in mind to make it hurt.
Doesn't that justify punishment?
Don't they deserve something for their actions?
People are dead, money is lost, confusion is rampant.
Did we deserve this?
Whatever it is that you think we did to deserve this was no more a part of progressing our country as it is any country.
We have to do what is necessary to survive, and that doesn't include getting blown the fuck out of the water and sitting here saying we deserved it.
I am pretty mad about getting fucked by the towel heads this time.
I just hope that Mr. Bush makes some wise decisions, this is his time to shine.

Thanks fuckers.

[seeking]

fuck that, the pics stay. im not hating on america or saying that we deserve it. two wrongs never make a right. im simply pointing out the hypocricy involved here. we are not gods gift to equality and justice. those responsible should pay, dearly, but the innocent people around them should not.

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
those responsible should pay, dearly, but the innocent people around them should not.


How do you suggest going about finding those involved? Those bastards are hiding. I don't think anyone in here said to kill everyone, but check this out: If they are over there having a good ol' time after doing what they did, does it make you wonder if they knew?

They are making it look like they are celebrating the 4th of July with our innocent people.
They did not go after those that caused them pain.
How come it is ok for them to hurt the innocent in their plans for a better future.
I think the only thing they accomplished today was destroying our trade centers.
That, my friend, right there, is going to fuck us.
Why don't we go fuck up something that is important to them....not their civilians, some kinda important something like they did to us.
2 wrongs never make a right, but we can't stand here with patriotic stars in our eyes and our dicks in the dirt.

There is no doubt in my mind that we will all be somehow contented with the outcome. For something good to come, something else has got to go.

[asteriskoner]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
fuck that, the pics stay. im not hating on america or saying that we deserve it. two wrongs never make a right. im simply pointing out the hypocricy involved here. we are not gods gift to equality and justice. those responsible should pay, dearly, but the innocent people around them should not.

he's right,just because some of us don't want to go out and shoot every person we see doesn't mean we are hating on america.as for the pictures,those pictures are a part of american history just like pearl harbor,etc.

[seeking]

dude, im not even going to discuss this with you. you clearly have absolutely no common sense or understanding of the value of human life. your blinded by your own ignorant anger and a patriotism that untill just this morning you probably never knew you had. this is a trajedy, but its not going to be made better by the continued US murder of innocent people. why the fuck do you think everyone else in the world hates us so god damn much? they fucking hate us. they cheer anytime somethign bad happens because we're like the metaphorical asshole that polkes the dog through the cage door with a stick. but instead of a stick we use a cattle prod dipped in iodine. this terrible event could be used as an incredible eye opening experience for us here, but instead it'll be turned into a call to arms by the media, t-shirt companies and the same insatiable capitalistic greed that got us here in the first place.

[imported_iSLEEPwithMIDGETS]

bush is a fucking idiot he wont do shit for like a week...i think its an american terroist...but thats just me..but fuck everyone i say we just bomb every fucking country that got a problem with us then were bound to get whos responsible

[K[O]MEGA]

I WONDER IF MERO IS OK..MERO DoG STAY UP..

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
dude, im not even going to discuss this with you. you clearly have absolutely no common sense or understanding of the value of human life. your blinded by your own ignorant anger and a patriotism that untill just this morning you probably never knew you had. this is a trajedy, but its not going to be made better by the continued US murder of innocent people. why the fuck do you think everyone else in the world hates us so god damn much? they fucking hate us. they cheer anytime somethign bad happens because we're like the metaphorical asshole that polkes the dog through the cage door with a stick. but instead of a stick we use a cattle prod dipped in iodine. this terrible event could be used as an incredible eye opening experience for us here, but instead it'll be turned into a call to arms by the media, t-shirt companies and the same insatiable capitalistic greed that got us here in the first place.

maybe you aren't so american after all...you should join their side. Why don't you stick up for your self, or your country, try that...mkay.

[MESTHREE]

seeking I agree. so much hypocracy.... the uninted states and other north american "super powers" have been fucking over the eastern world for years and years.........we sell them fire arms for gods sake but deny them vital medication and basic human nesesceties when we have so much to spare. sure sure the usa is supposed to be the most free and democratic country in the world.. aswell as one of the...if not THE most wealthy. well how do you think it got that way? surely not by fair play...Im not saying that this attack was warranted in any way....it isnt...violence never is....but for people to react with "those fuckers gotta die" etc etc etc is just so ignorant and disgusting.........

I cant believe people are saying some of these things "stick up for yourself" "you may aswell join their side" ????? are you serious???? FUCK!!!!! I hate humans.


not with a bang, but a whimper...

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[Dirty_habiT]

Bitching back and forth here isn't going to get anything done about it, nor will it have any impact on what is done.

[Lush]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:


there is some serious ignorance going on in this thread. yeah johnny, lets go kill everyone with brown skin. they did this. we celbrated when we dropped bombs on iraqi hospitals. we celebrated when we dropped bombs on vietnamese villages, we celebrated when we dropped bombs on two major japanese cities. none of those were military targets. hiroshima and nagasaki are the US equivelants of philly and atlanta. but we celebrated none the less. ding dong the witch is dead.

That sums up my thoughts perfectly. Americans have created mass destruction all over the world for ages. Need I remind you of napalm, and the atomic bomb. Those people suffered, and still suffer the devastating effect of those weapons, not only on a personal level, but environmentally as well. Americans killed countless of innocent men, women, and children. Look at seekings pictures. I think they prove the point.

I am not saying I think this tragedy is justified, but it UTTERLY DISGUSTS me when I see posts where some of you are shouting for blood. The ignorance is overwhelming, and I think some of you should read up on your history.

The only intelligent posts in here are from Seeking and *see-phore*, the rest make me furious.

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[seeking]

i was wondering what was taking you so long bro... thank you.

[Dirty_habiT]

God, I cannot believe how many of you are sitting around battling wits with eachother. Some fucked up shit happened, and all anyone wants to do is argue their point, and of course everyone has an opinion, and everyone elses is wrong. I know one thing is for sure, and that is I am not changing what I think. Call me ignorant, stubborn, whatever, but yall can sit here with your hands folded in your laps and critique the situation.

[professor poopatronic]

Originally posted by CHEESEBURGER:
[B]humans are so uncivilized,almost like fuking animals.B]


we are animals. and other animals are alot more civilized than us.

[MESTHREE]

and what, pre tell do you suggest we do? create a vigilante 12oz force or something? ..........please... why is discussion of this looked at as a bad thing? its a very good thing......communication.....

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[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
fuck that, the pics stay.

why? so the dead can be left with absolutly no dignity?those pics shouldnt even be on the net.it didnt prove a point=pointless.so what,so that pic was from boston,he didnt say he didnt feel bad that that shit took place there.what did it prove?was that black people where killed in america?that they were used as slaves?cause there was more irish slaves before the"days of slavery"than there were black slaves all together.maybe to prove how bad whites are to blacks?but what about the blacks killing white farmers because they can run successful farms in africa?or the black children being killed,raped,tortured or having limbs cut off or being forced to watch their mothers being raped by black soldiers? because none of that shit has to do with the new york city attacks today.so why must they stay?

im just shocked that you want to make people look at that shit.

[Dirty_habiT]

Seeking: one more thing, you are right, we don't need to bomb the fuck out of them and kill everyone, but you make it sound like if we do anything, we are just as wrong as them for doing what they did. ____Something_____has to be done, or else I am not going to sleep well. They can do it tomorrow again, then will it piss you off?

[seeking]

see phore, go back and read the quote that i included with the pics, then look at them. i was showing that every single thing umpa lumpa said could have been said about us. its history repeating itself. we were wrong then and screaming for innocent blood now is wrong as well.

[imported_Retired Hasbeen]

This will be the day America changed forever.Things will not be the same after this.We will see a ton of chaos worldwide.
Question the causes and effect.
Look beyond the propoganda.

RIP.

[MESTHREE]

another thing that just saddens me is the increadable amount of hate this is going to breed. I can just imagine all the american kids being told that "them brown skins" are the enemy......its a sad sad cycle.........USA loves having an enemy.. if it isnt russia korea vietnam or cuba its arabs.......its all such idiocy....

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[T.T Boy]

well, there is so much to say.....

first off r.i.p to all those slain in these attacks.

this is going to cause a major problem, i believe that whoever planned this was a government, it would be very diffucult for a terrorist group to orchestrate somehing like that. and if it is a governments fault i hope they do recieve punishment.

and seeking, i normally agree with you and your ideas, they are very rational and educated. but in this, im sorry, i have to disagree with you. if that was your dad/mom/sister whoever in that plane or building youd be singing a different tune, i know youd be the first to sign for the army or whatever. your patriotism would show then.

i really think these cowards should pay for what they did. this cant go ignored.

[*see-phore*]

im not screaming for blood.im trying to get people to see it from the other side of the ocean.infact i think this was long time coming,and could have been avoided by any number of things that cant be said because we still dont know who did this.
does anyone else remember when oklahoma was bombed a how that was "the start of the 3rd world war"? did it happen?nope.

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[Lush]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:
why? so the dead can be left with absolutly no dignity?those pics shouldnt even be on the net.it didnt prove a point=pointless.

but what about the blacks killing white farmers because they can run successful farms in africa?



Do you suggest we burn all those pictures? Shouls we erase the history books as well? And about the Africans, you should read a bit more.

The white men colonized Africa, and created a country to cater to themselves. Ever wonder why an english speeking African has a british sounding accent? My friends lived in Botswana, and Johannesburg (south africa for those of you who failed geography). The Father worked as an engineer in the Diamond mine. If a black man had his job (which they would never lt happen because he's BLACK) he wouldn't even get a third of the white mans pay, if not less. Blacks are used for grunt labour. The racism there is over the top. They have basically been made slaves in their own country. Do you think the black farmers even had a chance against the white men taking the country over? NO! Even if one of your parents are balck there, you're the subject of ridiculous racism. I don't agree with their retaliation either, but they have been opressed for ages, and they're sick of it.

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[K[O]MEGA]

i hope some people smOked some bluntz before they died..

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by MESTHREE:
the uninted states and other north american "super powers" have been fucking over the eastern world for years and years


what other north american super powers? the third world country or the second world country that sends food medical supplies peace keepers and ivites imigrants to move to a better place and then helps those that need it out with wel-fare etc? hmmmmm which one? or is it both?

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by T.T Boy:
well, there is so much to say.....

first off r.i.p to all those slain in these attacks.

this is going to cause a major problem, i believe that whoever planned this was a government, it would be very diffucult for a terrorist group to orchestrate somehing like that. and if it is a governments fault i hope they do recieve punishment.

and seeking, i normally agree with you and your ideas, they are very rational and educated. but in this, im sorry, i have to disagree with you. if that was your dad/mom/sister whoever in that plane or building youd be singing a different tune, i know youd be the first to sign for the army or whatever. your patriotism would show then.

i really think these cowards should pay for what they did. this cant go ignored.

thank you.

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by pauliewalnuts:
some of you are some towel head lovin muthafuckas,who need to wake up.

you are right.

[Harpo Marx]

I hope Bush isn't ignorant enough as to do what was done before and put people of that race in concentrations like what we did with the Japanese after Pearl Harbor.

[ir8one]

everyone should go take their agression adn viewpoints out on some fr8s/walls/trucks...watever....get off the board and do sumthing with ur art....

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[Lush]

Originally posted by T.T Boy:
if that was your dad/mom/sister whoever in that plane or building youd be singing a different tune, i know youd be the first to sign for the army or whatever. your patriotism would show then.



I would not wish the retaliation upon anyone, and if I was a victim or family member, I would want the whole thing to be resolved witout violence and the loss of more lives.



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[dsel.ufd]

Innocent American blood was spiled today,and eight years ago.Bin Laden has been seen in videos saying he will revenge the U>S and hit them where it hurts.
Heres a fact to ponder,acroos the WTC is a U.S courthouse where one of Bin Laden's associates woud have been tryed for a bombing where over 200 people were killed,tomarrow.Just a coincedence,you be the judge.

[brown twinkie]

Originally posted by pauliewalnuts:
some of you are some towel head lovin muthafuckas,who need to wake up.

relax with the assumptions and idle speculations guy...
just becuz you saw some palestinians celebrating does
not mean they are responsible, nor does it speak for the
whole of palestines people.
in addition, there might be some people on this board
that are either from that part of the world, or have relatives there, so hold
you tongue asshole.

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Lush:
Do you suggest we burn all those pictures?


yeah you make some good points there except i have family who live(d) throughout south africa in johannesbuerg and cape town aswell as others towns i also have family who were killed because they could run their farm better than the black farmers around.other parts of my family where chased out of africa without anything to survive with.unlike you ive heard horror stories that have actualy happened.did i say burn the photos?no.they just have nothing to do with this thread. FUCK YOU i dont need to read the lies in any of the books youve read, about how bad the white man is.i can talk to my uncle about how the black soldiers broke into his farm killed his livestock set it on fire and left him to die.
maybe instead of reading the one sided books try talking with someone with first hand experience.

how the fuck did you get on this topic?i said it to make a point for seeking innocence

ps i grew up w/ alot of somailan imigrants who could speak english well and they all spoke with heavy african accents.

and my uncle[born in africa] speaks with a heavy african accent aswell.

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[sectorTVA]

im not wishing for a war...but i do think the responsible party needs to pay for this.

[Dirty_habiT]

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[Dirty_habiT]

There is missles landing in Afghanistan now.....put on the news. We haven't seen the last of terroristic actions for today.

[Dirty_habiT]

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High speed airplane....

[Lush]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:

unlike you ive heard horror stories that have actualy happened.did i say burn the photos?no.they just have nothing to do with this thread. FUCK YOU i dont need to read the lies in any of the books youve read, about how bad the white man is.i can talk to my uncle about how the black soldiers broke into his farm killed his livestock set it on fire and left him to die.
maybe instead of reading the one sided books try talking with someone with first hand experience.


[This message has been edited by *see-phore* (edited 09-11-2001).]

Excuse me? did you skip over half of my post? MY GRANDMOTHERS/MOTHERS CLOSEST FRIENDS LIVED IN AFRICA FOR THE LAST 20 SOME ODD YEARS! I'm not spitting out gibberish that I learned in a book. I learned none of this from a book. I'm looking at this from both sides, the white, and black. I said I didn't agree and I also said that they'd had enough. No they shouldn't have killed the white farmers, but they also don't deserve to live like dogs. Our friends moved because they didn't like the political climate that was boiling over, as well as the racial tension. They were there too. I said both sides were wrong. I didn't say the white man was evil, but that the black man is trying to survive.

Also by saying to delete the pictures, you are saying we shouldn't look at them. They are a powerful learning tool, and we should use them to avoid those situations in the future. If we hide them away, they will not help us change for the better.

[Apelles]

And I will once again bring up a major point: We danced in the streets when we commited the far more atrocious act of dropping atomic bombs on innocent Japanese.

[Lush]

Originally posted by Apelles:
And I will once again bring up a major point: We danced in the streets when we commited the far more atrocious act of dropping atomic bombs on innocent Japanese.

See-Phore:
That's what seeking and a few of us were saying, but seeking posted those pictures to back himself up (he also used different events).It's all relevant, we're not limited to the original discussion topic. Also this is a PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD, therefore what you say to seeking, you say to all of us, just as if we were standing in a big circle having a conversation, that's how I got involved. If you wanted seeking, and only seeking to respond, you should have emailed him.

You don't need to swear at me. It's a conversation or debate or whatever you want to call it. Don't take it so personally, because chances are we'll never come close to meeting each other. I have an opinion, you have an opinion. I didn't say you were wrong, I just told you what I think.

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[imported_ILLMATIC]

Originally posted by pauliewalnuts:
some of you are some towel head lovin muthafuckas,who need to wake up.

Fuck you you fuckin pussyfaced ignorant bastard if i ever ran into you i would beat the living shit out of you. I fukin hate racist bastards like you who think that just because a certain group of people did something bad that all of them are to blame i wish you were in that building instead of those inocent people!!!!!!!.

[bug]

yes seeking, those pictures are worth a thousand words

[Ginger Bread Man]

FUUUUUUUCK. those pictures are exactly what i am talking about. what makes the great american society so GREAT.look at the atrocities. thank you for those pictures seeking. although i am almost in tears they remind me how fast we can lose are sense of security and wellbeing. FUCK FUCK FUCK.

[seeking]

wow, i leave for a few hours and our good friend paulie walnuts is trying to set fire to the 'towel heads'... huh. of course he doesnt realize that the towel wearing muslims are not the branch of muslim behind this or any other terrorist attacks. but hey, if its not white it must be evil right?

whatever...

[Ginger Bread Man]

some people have got no pride. they do not understand the urgency of life.'morrissey

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Lush:
Excuse me? did you skip over half of my post? MY GRANDMOTHERS/MOTHERS CLOSEST FRIENDS LIVED IN AFRICA FOR THE LAST 20 SOME ODD YEARS! I'm not spitting out gibberish that I learned in a book.

your great grand mothers friends!
so they left on their on free will thats great their lucky.my family was forced to leave because of their skin colour.other members were just killed,oh well who cares about them.you told me to read a book like i didnt know shit,when i know exactly whats going on.maybe i should clear it up for you:my uncle has scars from being burned so badly hes told me things about the other people in his village [im not trying to offend anyone] being forced to watch their family being murdered and beaten,being forced to choose how their children were to die,getting gun butted family members being raped.why would they do that?because those people were white and ran better farms.what the fuck is that?black people being treated like dogs? yeah.they have gone through just as much as any other race or religion has(jews/bahais/muslims just to name a few)
and i dont think any of it is right.but they've treated other people the exact same way.the children of serra leon,for one.

seeking could have simply decribed certain events and still backed up his point,couldnt he have?or do you need to see pictures to under stand? in that case ill start a new thread about child abuse,and ill show some really neat pictures of defencless children with stab wounds and telephone cords wrapped around their little necks.but im not going to because i think even though they are dead that they still deserve to be givin respect.

[seeking]

the problem here is that your taking this shit personaly when you shouldnt be. i posted those pics to show that we (white americans) are often times ignorant hypocrits. the whites in the pictures were doing the exact things that umpa wanted to kill all palestinians for. im sorry that your family was raped and murdered while occupying stolen land. but really its got nothing to do with what i posted. sounds to me like you have a chip on your shoulder against folks of the colored persuasion.

as far as respect goes, im sure the familys of those men would rather have the pictures plastered everywhere as a reminder of the horrific crimes commited on our own soil, then have them forgotten out of shame. shame is for those that have done wrong, not those who were murdered.

[This message has been edited by seeking innocence (edited 09-11-2001).]

[Ferris Bueller]

I'm having a bad hunch that tomorrow something similar happens, I pray that nothing doesnt. Anyone know what was going down in Afghanistan? It was unclear about what exactly was happening when it was on the news 6:00 PM ET...

[Mr.LonelyHeart]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
...im sorry that your family was raped and murdered while occupying stolen land. but really its got nothing to do with what i posted. sounds to me like you have a chip on your shoulder against folks of the colored persuasion.

wow. classy. the hits keep comin'.....

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Lush:
See-Phore:
I have an opinion, you have an opinion. I didn't say you were wrong, I just told you what I think.



whats my opinion? do you know? did you read my other posts? the other posts about how violence started this and retaliation isnt the way to go? you didnt,did you? you only read that one post asking seeking innocence do leave those innocent people their dignity,and take photos down right?
im not an american,but think what happened today was tragic.but i dont think more people,innocent or not should die.
my mother just passed away less than two weeks ago.my point of view-if there are photos of her lying in a hospital bed dying no one should see them for the benifit of a nation or not.
one of my best friends was murdered two years ago and there probably are photos of him but no body should see them.

the families of those murdered men would probably not want them out there for all to look at.

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
im sorry that your family was raped and murdered while occupying stolen land
[This message has been edited by seeking innocence (edited 09-11-2001).]

youre a fucking idiot.i hope you never have to go through any of the shit your making light of.

yeah your probably right i grew up in an almost all black neighborhood almost all of my current friends are black and i have a gone out with black girls i must be racist.



[This message has been edited by *see-phore* (edited 09-11-2001).]

[seeking]

sorry, i wasnt trying to make light of your situation. i admit i worded that poorly. bottom line is i feel my post was in good taste and used the trajedies that have happend in the past in an attempt to stop them from happening in the future, thus making sure those men didnt die invein. if thts not respect, sorry i dont know what is.

[T.T Boy]

you know seeking what you said above in that quote was really fucking ignorant. is it his fault that the land was stolen? no. you live on stolen land too. but i guess that makes it o.k for the native americans to rape and kill your family right? if you dont like the injustice of the theft of land that you currently live on go back to where youre family came from. then youll be living a straight life. i dont think he needs that sort of insult from you.


this is going to change this board forever.

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
sorry, i wasnt trying to make light of your situation.

it wasnt my situation,it was the situation of the people in my uncles village,and of some of my family.
at this point it doesnt matter if you take them down or not as long as you understand what im trying to say here.how would you like to see your mother on a cross burning on some graffiti talk page?

[seeking]

give it a fucking rest already dude. your the only one who had a problem with me posting them. those pics were all taken from a black guys site. a guy who wanted the horrors of the past to be remembered so they wouldnt be repeated. that was my point. end or story.

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by Dirty_habiT:
What do you predict will happen tomorrow, as far as our (USA) decisions on what to do is concerned?

Back to the original question....

What do you think the prez's options here are?

[--zeSto--]

Originally posted by MESTHREE:
....its a sad sad cycle.........USA loves having an enemy.. if it isnt russia korea vietnam or cuba its arabs.......its all such idiocy....


true...

In fact.. the usa NEEDS an ememy. durring the only time of relative peace,
they had a civil war with former Westpoint room mates commanding against each other.
And then a 'war' on drugs. I surrender. I'm a casualty in the war on drugs.
It's always the moral majority who ignorantly picks a group to attack.

The US war machine needs a common goal to maintain a productive country.
A disposable product must be built, destroyed, and built again.
Or else the cycle of incessant consumerism will never end.

and seeking... those pics have proved a point.
Probably not the intended one.
It would be tactful to remove them.

[Natty Boh]

yeah, take those pics. down. i've already seen enough death for one day. fuckin sick to my stomach from this shit. as long as we get whoever is responsible for this....they have to pay. it just said on the news that the f.b.i./c.i.a. are in the process of obtaining search warrants for several residences and p.o. boxes in southern florida. apparently they have some leads that some folks down there have the answers to who did this.

[Lush]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:
whats my opinion? do you know? did you read my other posts? the other posts about how violence started this and retaliation isnt the way to go? you didnt,did you? you only read that one post asking seeking innocence do leave those innocent people their dignity,and take photos down right?


I gathered your opinion from what you previously posted today, and YES I read ALL your other posts and I agreed with you in some of the other threads, and where you were going with your comments. I thought that they were some of the more intelligent ones in these threads along with Seeking's. Then you start spouting all this. You obviously didn't read my posts very well because you have made several wrong statements, and assumptions. This isn't a personal attack AS I HAVE STATED IN MY LAST POST.

From your first post about africa I figured you didn't know the story over there as most young north americans don't. I see now that because of certain extremely unfortunate circumstances that you have a very narrowminded view of the situation. That's too bad. I feel sorry for your family, and what they endured over there, I would never upon any stretch of my imagination wish that upon anybody. Talking with you about this is obviously futile, because we have two very different viewpoints. I am going to try to lay this to rest by stating that we will not be coming to an agreement on this topic, and that we should realise that now, and put it behind us. As I said before, this is nothing personal against you.

[Lush]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:
how would you like to see your mother on a cross burning on some graffiti talk page?

If was proving a valid point, and teaching us to move on and not repeat the mistakes of the past. I have no problem with that. If it is used for humour, ridicule, or tasteless purposes, like kids posting it just 'because" then no, I wouldn't want to see it here. What difference does it make whether it is posted in a message board, or some history book written by a guy with 18 university degrees? As long as it is serving the purpose it was intended for, then it is alright. If it were me dead, and withering in one of those pictures, I would want generation after generation to see the atrocities that should never be repeated.

Sometimes words alone cannot convey the situation. Humans are visual creatures, and 80% of our brains are devoted to processing visual information. Seeing a picture affects us emotionally much more than reading the words on paper.

Enough with this though, I'm done. I've had far too much frustrations for one evening.

[Kr430n5_666]

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[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by Lush:
If was proving a valid point, and teaching us to move on and not repeat the mistakes of the past. I have no problem with that.

alright sorry if i came off dick-ish.
we agree to disagree.i tend to see things a little one sidedly sometimes.but i always try to see them from both sides. this whole african thing wasnt the base of my argument,it was merely part of it because those photos didnt make sense to be posted as part of the topic.as zesto said they made a point just not the intened one.if my posts came off half assed its cause i just skimmed through everything at once.but,i dont think it was an unreasonable request to have the photos taken down,seeing as how seeking has deleated plenty of my posts he didnt like.
good night.

[Dirty_habiT]

It would not surprise me in the least bit if an attack is orchestrated by the US. That is, after we get our cards shuffled here. Those sick fucks are celebrating for Christ Sake they just killed lot's of Americans.

[imported_otherwise]

all palestinians must die!!!

[imported_Flubug Starski]

^^^^^^^^^^

It's people like you that blow shit up in the first place. Youre an idiot. You stupid fuck.

[imported_Retired Hasbeen]

I agree with dirty habit..something does not make sense here.
I think Martial law may be on the horizon, or at least some version of lockdown.

[imported_kid toucher]

alot of good that 30 billion dollars a year in defense did...what?

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[imported_FLiPWriTeR]

biggups to all those serving our country in those buildings including my uncle!.. THIS MEANS WAR!......

[Dirty_habiT]

I mean what kind of sick fucks would do this. It's like they have problems with us, but they don't want to negotiate, they want us to feel the burn. I think those bastards could probably benefit from the old cliche.....

"you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar."

This is very uneccessary people, what has happened this morning is only pissing Americans off, and alot of people, presented with a situation such as this, are going to immediatley jump to one answer and that is to retaliate.

I'm very interested in seeing what develops.

[imported_the last slave]

I cant believe some of you people consider this disaster to be somewhat justified?? this is so silly....i guess its cool be "aNti-Usa".. what i dont understand is that you people talk so much shit about the big and bad USA and dont say shit about the "Perfect iNnocent 3rd World" countries you are defending.why is this? Does racism, hatred,and corrUption only exist in the US???Can anyone give a country where none of these things occur? I can assure that those things are more widespread in other countries and in some causes alot worst then you think. WaKe Up its a Cold World we live in..

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[Angrysamoan]

it's fuckin saddening to see such utter right-wing BULLSHIT posted by peeps on graffiti messageboards. I guess i had illusions about graff kids NOT being in favor of the fuckin pigs and capitalist bullshit but I guess I was wrong. I wish you fucks would just join the KKK, at least then you wouldn't be taken seriously.

[Smart]

hey Makros, is that a picture of TC from Magnum PI?

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[imported_Spoter]

seeking is truly one of the very few here that speaks with truth, and sees it at both angles.a lot of the tragedies that happen in other parts of the world isn't a big deal to the american public, simply because it doesn't involve "american lives".we're all the same.and if some you seriously hate all palestinians, to me you equal to the likes hitler.that's what's wrong with this society, people only concern about their own kind and community.it's called greed.some of you are simply reversing the terrorists view into your own, when you generalize an ethnicity.that's just as sickening as them celebrating in the streets.

[re-Ignore]

There seems to be alot of strong oppinion here as is to be expected from a very diverse community and i commend us all for that. That being said there should also be a strong consideration given to all viewpoints here. Educate yourselves and each other and consider things for yourselves before taking spoonfed ideaologies straight to heart. American pride taken to the level of feelings of superiority is rediculous, same goes for this kind muslim pride etc. There is a far larger thing in my opinion we can concern ourselves with: the fact that we just like everything elseon this planet live, breathe and die every day. I don't oppress people or go out of my way to fuck anyone else over in my day to day life. Some people do and i do, my best to stop it from happening and i dont expect less from anyone else. This is not about The Americans versus the Evil Terrorist Syndicate, and i emplore you not to become as polarized as CNN would have you become.

We are all HUMAN BEINGS. Wether black, brown, or any of the coffee colours down the spectrum (listed in alphetabetical order not to offend any group), we all turn blue when we get beat and we all bleed red and foremost we are all FELLOW PEOPLE. And such sould try to give a little more of a shit about each other. Take to heart the terrible things that may have happened to you and your loved ones and reserve a space beside them for the terrible things that happen to people you've never even met each day of your life and will untill we ALL smarten up.

Peace.

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[BizOne]

Damn, can't we all just get along!

On top of another war, we're about to have the graf battle of all graf battles...

This is one reason I hate to voice my opinion on the internet...

U. S. A. ! U. S. A. !
U. S. A. ! U. S. A. !
U. S. A. ! U. S. A. !

Hoooooooo!

"Hacksaw Jim Duggan"

[BizOne]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
wow, i leave for a few hours and our good friend paulie walnuts is trying to set fire to the 'towel heads'... huh. of course he doesnt realize that the towel wearing muslims are not the branch of muslim behind this or any other terrorist attacks. but hey, if its not white it must be evil right?

whatever...

HEY! How do you know which Indian people were involved! You got connections to the FBI or something?

Don't forget that the people who wear turbans are usually (or always, I'm not gonna pretend like I know) the same religion that keep knives strapped to their chests. Are they suppose to use em? I don't know, but a religion where you are suppose to keep a 8 inch knife on you sounds pretty terroristic to me...

[beardo]

makros is a genious. dont sleep

[seeking]

what are you trying to prove biz? how ignorant you can be? sihk muslims (actually a high-bread of muslim and hindu) make up the majority of muslims we refer to as 'towel heads' they are the ones often foudn driving cabs etc. they are also based on peace and not the 'jihad' fanatical muslims. but since were americans and we dont know that islam is the largest religion in the world, we think they're all a bunch of middle eastern nutt jobs. sorry. they're not.

[Mr.LonelyHeart]

...and to add to that, there are also plenty of christians in the middle east as well...in fact I used to go to a catholic church where 9 out of 10 people there were of middle -eastern descent. for what it's worth.

high-bread or hybrid?....you decide

[seeking]

haha, hybrid. you win. i just woke and cant really spell for shit even on a good day.

[Dirty_habiT]

Hey seeking, I wasn't trying to piss you off yesterday, I just felt like you were pressing your religion upon me....

[seeking]

my religion? when did i bring up hinduism or buddhism?

[*see-phore*]

Originally posted by the last slave:

WaKe Up its a Cold World we live in..



that statement didnt go with your post.

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
my religion? when did i bring up hinduism or buddhism?

Did I say religion, I meant beliefs, opinions, you know what I meant.

[seeking]

those werent opinions, they were the presentation of rational facts.

[Ginger Bread Man]

hey seeking . im me.
Animell198 is the screen name

[Dirty_habiT]

Whatever, I tried to say I was sorry, but fuck that, you are still as stubborn and as ignorant as yesterday and the day before....no hope. You mule.