PUT ON THE FUCKING NEWS!

[brown twinkie]

.....there were no explosives to be found.....thankfully...

[krs702]

i think this is a very hard choice for america to make..and this post has alot of negative thoughts like saying killing everyone with brown skin...

maybe your best friend is arabic.. so your gonna hate him now..?.. the whole race isent alike..

also..just watching those poor ppl run for their lives from the debree.. is so sad.. that will be in my memory forever..just think that could have been your city...

[imported_bobobi11]

The US/Mexico border has just been sealed. Reports not saying whether this is routine or for a reason.

FBI has confirmed 4 hijacked planes.

NATO has just evacuated Brussels, Belgium.




[This message has been edited by bobobi11 (edited 09-11-2001).]

[Ferris Bueller]

i dont think im going to go to work or class either, too afraid to go outside..

[Comp Shoes]

Just saw someting on the news that really shocked me. They showed a live picture of Palestinians celebrating in the streets in some city in the middle east. They are honking horns, giving out candy and generally just partying in the streets. I understand they hate the US government and blame the US for siding with Israel but to celebrate the deaths of thousands is sickening.

[jades_blue]

My heart goes out to everyone who is involved in these incidents.



[This message has been edited by jades_blue (edited 09-11-2001).]

[miz303]

Originally posted by Southern kid:
not to beat a dead bush but..this is the start of the end of the world. anyone who knows the bible..this is EXACTLY how it starts! those of you in canada..i might be with you shortly. im praying for everyone..you guys stay safe..

the world changed today...........thats the problem,americans are paying for the fucked up government of the us....and the fucked up government is going to fuck something up to make things worse.....

[imported_garcia_vega]

are there any conspiracy theories floating around about this yet? how do we know it's really anyone from the middle east? look at the oklahoma city bombing, everybody thought that was arabs to but it was an inside job.

[WebsterUno]

Im speechless, my cuzz is in the Marines,
a grunt, infantry, first to go. DAMN, why… [img]http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb//frown.gif'>
Does this mean were going to war?
Im being serious people, please,
no stupid comments, and stop arguing.
THIS IS SERIOUS SHIT!

[podrido]

didnt the trench coat mafia have a plan similar to this? it just sounds very similar i think.

[Sam Rothstein]

Originally posted by chicken bone:
.. all im saying is that this incident was a big wake up call, im sorry if i offended your confederate flag waving ears you stupid fuck. that goes for you too freddy.



Confederate flag? You are the stupidest fucking idiot I've ever seen type. I in fact have never been in the South, and don't have any desire to. Patriotism has nothing to do with confederate flags...and if Im wrong, who does have the "most sophisticated defense system in the world"? yeah thats what I thought you pink pussy faggot-ass candy boy.
My heart goes out to all the victims, and their loved ones. Fuck kids who think this is funny, and those who think the US deserved it. Fuck all those pussies in Pakistan who are cheering and throwing candy in the streets. Fucking Chicken Bone for being ignorant. fuck whoever is responsible for this.

[imported_bobobi11]

Originally posted by WebsterUno:
Does this mean were going to war?
Im being serious people, please,
no stupid comments, and stop arguing.
THIS IS SERIOUS SHIT!

I really can't see any alternative that the US has. Our strength has always been in our dominant position and to slink away from this without some form of counteraction would signal the downfall of our country. While I don't want to see us go to war, I cannot ignore the thousands of innocent people that were injured or killed this morning. Some news stations have already reported that the US has declared war against the perpetrator of these acts.

[wakassOATH]

man its to fuked up im in shock
rip to all that didnt make it
any word on who did it? , man when they find out they will turn that contry in to a camp fire

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[dukeofyork]

not cool...at all..
another sad day, and i thought it would just be another day at work.

[brown twinkie]

fucked.
i was awoken by nonstop
ringing....and my mom
broke it to me...............
disgusting.
heartfelt condolences to the families....
my god....................i really, really hope
this isn't the tip of the iceberg.....
of something way more evil to come..
fuckin' unbelievable...

[imported_Landmark]

What NYC school was hit ... or was that just a rumor. Love and blessings to all. Stay strong.

[imported_Flubug Starski]

Goddamn. I was sitting in my first period class today, and the prof started by telling us what had happend. The thing was, I was high, so I started freaking out, not sure whether it was really happening...

My heart goes out to anyone who lost someone in the attacks.

Hopefully this isn't what sparks WWIII. Fuck a war.

[imported_Flubug Starski]

Goddamn. I was sitting in my first period class today, and the prof started by telling us what had happend. The thing was, I was high, so I started freaking out, not sure whether it was really happening...

My heart goes out to anyone who lost someone in the attacks.

Hopefully this isn't what sparks WWIII. Fuck a war.

[fr8lover]

people are saying that someone prophicized this on alt.prophicies or something...really outlandish statements. thats what we as humans do after this, try to justify and guess what happened when we have no answers.

[deznatori]

They just sent my ass home from work. I was there all of a hour or so. As far as the comment on bombing New York. that is rediculous. do you know how much security they have locking down that place. a lot of stations have been closed and they are all under security tighter than a virgins ass.

[deznatori]

They just sent my ass home from work. I was there all of a hour or so. As far as the comment on bombing New York. that is rediculous. do you know how much security they have locking down that place. a lot of stations have been closed and they are all under security tighter than a virgins ass.

[imported_Retired Hasbeen]

http://lonestar.texas.net/~johne/usacams.html ('http://"http://lonestar.texas.net/~johne/usacams.html"')

go here to see footage live..

is this the start of the ending?..

martial law may be on the way..

stay up folks

[CRUSH KILL DESTROY]

REVENGE WILL BE SWEET

[maskoner]

shit is going down... big time.

[fr8oholic]

this is just absolutely nuts

[WebsterUno]

Originally posted by bobobi11:
I cannot ignore the thousands of innocent people that were injured or killed this morning.

my supervisor, who is also my friends wife, has a sister that was in that building, she is crying right now, and trippin really hard. This is a sad time, very bad. We can only hope for the best, but expect the worst…
peace…websteruno! [img]http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb//frown.gif'>

[imported_FLiPWriTeR]

RIP to all those who served our country!!! THIS MEANS WAR

[imported_mapo wc]

Originally posted by miz303:
[QUOTE]thats the problem,americans are paying for the fucked up government of the us....and the fucked up government is going to fuck something up to make things worse.....




dont blame the US government. youre fucking sick. the people to blame are the terrorist fucks who did this. to say that its the US governments fault and the terrorists were only retaliting is a fucking digrace.

hell yeah those fuckers were celebrating..they hate our ass. we're too fucking good to them. god damn it send me to the army so I can blow them to pieces with my tank.

and fuck the Bible..if anything events like this should show you there is no God and aint nobody up above looking out for you.

[MUNE]

aparently, libya, and cuba are offering us unconditional support on this.
im glad to see that people are working together in the damage areas and people across the country putting things aside to offer support. all i have to say is as soon as i heard i came here first. im glad to see everyone on here checking in even if you are bickering like school kids. that means your alive. im still worrying about the ones who havent checked in... i have many friends and reletives out there that i havent been able to get ahold of as im sure many of us do.

stay safe guys and stay alive......dont loose hope.

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[Pistol]

Originally posted by MUNE:
aparently, libya, and cuba are offering us unconditional support on this.
im glad to see that people are working together in the damage areas and people across the country putting things aside to offer support. all i have to say is as soon as i heard i came here first. im glad to see everyone on here checking in even if you are bickering like school kids. that means your alive. im still worrying about the ones who havent checked in... i have many friends and reletives out there that i havent been able to get ahold of as im sure many of us do.

stay safe guys and stay alive......dont loose hope.




The only beautiful thing about these horrific attacks is the way people are coming together and helping each other out in a time of need. All the countries in Europe are condeming this act and are offering support. Mune said Libya and Cuba are condeming it. I heard Iran was even speaking out against this horrible act. But there is a bunch of ignorant little kids in here calling each other "ignorant" and vice versa. Maybe the 12oz boards are the only place where people have not come together????

[imported_SecretAgentX9]

Originally posted by seeking innocence:
ever hear of the 'school of the americas'?

its a us funded terrorist 'college' where we train third world military leaders in how to torture, disrupt and undermine governements, countries etc.

now thats america
we do that, and then we still act suprised. we train the people that trained these people.

[TOY]

why does every channel have to show the same shit? im trying to watch some regular tv already. i understand some crazy shit popped off today but fuck. no mtv or BET-nothing except cartoon network and all the dumb channels that no one watches. even the mexican channels showing what happened

[deznatori]

I ment to post it earlier. I got sent home form my job and was like okay I will just go bench. Not happening. they had the yard locked up tight. Barricades and all kinds of police. I did manage to see a few fr8s roll on another spot but the spot is very infrequent. Fuck those dudes for fuckin up my bench.
And Comedy Central is on. Otherwise get a movie.

[imported_Comp]

Originally posted by garcia_vega:
are there any conspiracy theories floating around about this yet? how do we know it's really anyone from the middle east? look at the oklahoma city bombing, everybody thought that was arabs to but it was an inside job.

Bin Laden a terrorist leader in afganistan already tried bombing the World Trade Center back in '93. he was responsible for the annihliation of 2 US embassies in Africa within 9 minutes of each other. He was also responsible for the attack on the US navy ship last year. There is still the possibility that it wasn't him. but i doubt it. hopefully this won't lead to another japanese interment camp type thing where everyone hates every arab they see. that would just make me sick.

[Pistol]

Originally posted by Comp:
Bin Laden a terrorist leader in afganistan already tried bombing the World Trade Center back in '93. he was responsible for the annihliation of 2 US embassies in Africa within 9 minutes of each other. He was also responsible for the attack on the US navy ship last year. There is still the possibility that it wasn't him. but i doubt it. hopefully this won't lead to another japanese interment camp type thing where everyone hates every arab they see. that would just make me sick.



I doubt this will turn into internment camps. But there are reports of some stupid motherfuckers attacking a taxi cab driver in NYC. Come on people.

[B_As_In_Bot]

Originally posted by Pistol:
I doubt this will turn into internment camps. But there are reports of some stupid motherfuckers attacking a taxi cab driver in NYC. Come on people.


wowzers!

[Smart]

Originally posted by Gouged out 3rd Eye:
why does every channel have to show the same shit? im trying to watch some regular tv already. i understand some crazy shit popped off today but fuck. no mtv or BET-nothing except cartoon network and all the dumb channels that no one watches. even the mexican channels showing what happened

dude you just missed it, the travel channel had a segment about hawaiian hand done tatooing, it was fresh, some really nice designs, and I think BET is back on too...



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[brown twinkie]

jeez................alot of people must be getting nervous.....
i just read something over at msnbc that they aren't
ruling out ANY options for retaliation right now, including the option
of 'tactical nuclear weapons'...................which is
extremely doubtful.....but........holy fock..............lets hope not...
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[Pistol]

Originally posted by brown twinkie:
jeez................alot of people must be getting nervous.....
i just read something over at msnbc that they aren't
ruling out ANY options for retaliation right now, including the option
of 'tactical nuclear weapons'...................which is
extremely doubtful.....but........holy fock..............lets hope not...
..·

I seriously doubt that. But hey makes for great headlines...I was smirkin a little everyonce in a while when reporters ask some stupid question after a lady see's a guy fall 75 story's out of a burning building with a plane stuck in it...but how do you feel...?

[Mr.LonelyHeart]

Originally posted by Gouged out 3rd Eye:
why does every channel have to show the same shit? im trying to watch some regular tv already. i understand some crazy shit popped off today but fuck. no mtv or BET-nothing except cartoon network and all the dumb channels that no one watches. even the mexican channels showing what happened

Yeah..what's the big deal...it's been, like, almost a whole day already!..so some people died. boo-hoo..whine, whine, whine...get OVER it people!..-I don't know if I can last a second day without my usual retarded and mind-numbing tv shows!!!.
.
.

sheesh.

[T.T Boy]

i dont know if this has been discussed yet, but this was no monkey operation, those who did this had it well planned out. the structure of that building had a weak point at approx. the 80th floor, which the engineer knew, and the plane hit that exact spot. they knew all the structural weak points to that building. it was well planned out. what a tragedy, at least from all this it shows how well humans can act in times of need.


r.i.p to all those who lost there lives.

[and now you choke]

i, for one, am still waiting to hear from many friends in manhattan. none of the 212 or 917 area code numbers are working and most of the dial-up connections are likely down. my hopes are with our mr.b.hope himself and all other family/friends.

it's such a horrible day.

[imported_Spoter]

just fucking great.thousands of innocent people die, and now the gov. under bush's control is gonna seek revenge and bomb the shit outta the middle east.including civilians.but wait, they're not Americans so who cares....it'll probably be a tragic mistake by the u.s. air force.riiiight.like the islamic fundamentalists represent all of the middle eastern people.fuck no.but i agree with seeking and a couple of others.there was a reason the US specifically was attacked.but if you think about it, it makes sense cause a lot of the government,campaign, and industry money is provided by jewish-americans.no wonder israel means so much to the U.S. gov.of course the palistinians won't like us for that.

like i said before...
fuck religion, fuck patriotism.
as long as people won't get over those 2 mentioned above, the history of war as we know it will continue.just look at your history books.

r.i.p. to all in nyc and d.c.
this whole situation seriously angers me.

[imported_Spoter]

Originally posted by Ballpark Frank:
read up on the HOLY BOOK. you'll know what comes next...

SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[Ski Mask]

Originally posted by T.T Boy:
i dont know if this has been discussed yet, but this was no monkey operation, those who did this had it well planned out. the structure of that building had a weak point at approx. the 80th floor, which the engineer knew, and the plane hit that exact spot. they knew all the structural weak points to that building. it was well planned out. what a tragedy, at least from all this it shows how well humans can act in times of need.


r.i.p to all those who lost there lives.

the impact wasnt what did them in...it was huge fires melting the now exposed steel supports that collapsed the towers. if it was the force to a load bearing support it would have caved within a minute or two of the impact.
and all I hear is "the only group with the resources to do this is...." "the ammound of people required..." you could pull this shit off with a core group of 20 people. the larger that type of operation gets the more likely it gets found out. Security at airports isnt air tight...one or two people get weapons on, and everyone gets coordinated about timing and you got a terrorist attack. People need to stop speculating without facts at who is responsible...it could be anybody, even if they currently think its binladin.
But sorry if that came of as tasteless right now. much respect to all the victims and family...if I was there I'd be thinking its the end of the world...RIP

[B_As_In_Bot]

I found some shit out about the plane said to have possibly been destined to hit camp david or the whitehouse but then went down in rural area, DC. So from the plane on a cell phone a guy calls his wife and tells her he loves her and his flight was hijacked, and that he knows they are going to kill everyone anyway, and that him and 3 other guys are gonna try and overpower the terrorists to avoid the target, maybe land. This is maybe why it went down why and where it did.

I just thought it was incredible news. I was pretty high when I heard it, I dont know if it has the same affect.

[MUNE]

i dont know what to make of this night. im at work and ive had one crazy hoeless guy come in and try to get me to fight him, two hippies in here copying flyers that had a picture of a the trade center on fire with big bold letters under it saying "we deserve it so stop crying", and nine or ten people who "are soo tired of hearing about it they just want to move on and stop talking about it".
first the homeless guy... im a biter guy anyway and today i was just that much more aggitated because we were open(as far as im concerned shit should just be closed today..out of respect and just so people can be with there loved ones and pay attention to this shit since it is pretty big news that will effect everyone in this country one way or another..), i felt bad for homelss guy, but i was soo hoping hed cross that line between eccentric crazy guy right over to personal threat...just so i could unload on him. man that sucks. im not like that.

the hippies..WHAT THE FUCK?...

the apathetic people...again WHAT THE FUCK? are we so apathetic that we cant show real compassion and concern?..

fuck this shit.. i want today to be over.
i also want to be able to find my mahattan friends..i havent been able to. hey seeking, did your girl find out if her pal was on that pitsburgh flight?.. i hope shits ok.

once again, im just glad to see you guys posting. it means your all ok.,


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"Rain, it's rain again, rain down on my parade, i'm wrong you're right it's not what you would do - walk one mile in these shoes..."

[re-Ignore]

Those interested should read and relpy to/ponder the Counter Terrorists thread.
Diversity is positive!

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long time since never...

[imported_nipples-galore]

hi. i dont know if this is improper or anyway disrespectful to my friend or his family but i just wanted to say Rest In Peace to my friend from highschool who was on one of those planes in NY. (please forgive me for running to the internet to do this, but I really need to vent a little bit) I havent seen him in a while, but the news really hurts. i cant stop crying and shaking, and im sitting here at work trying to get my mind off things, but im having a really hard time thinking any of this is really important right now.
bad day.


R.I.P. Shawn Nassaney.....he was an unbelievable person and one of the nicest people you could ever meet.

You will be missed and always remembered.

[Dusty Lipschitz]

excuse me if im a bit all over the place...

there were some tense hours yesterday when my girlfriend called me to tell me they couldnt find her brother who works and lives down in lower manhatten, not too far away from the WTC buildings. after a few anxious, frantic, frightening hours, they found him alive and well.

i am so overwhelmed with thoughts feelings and emotions, and i cant stop crying. the stories that get to me are the ones on tv showing the frantic people who get reunited with their loved ones. what kills me is the thousands that wont find a happy ending. i can hear the numbers or estimates of the deaths, but when someone puts a face to the dead, or a face to the grieving family members who have lost innocent loved ones... i cant fathom it.

i think of all the rescue personel that will be, understandably, forever scarred. it has been pointed out before and i want to mention it again because i think its worth mentioning. while thousands and thousands run away from these despicable acts of terror and violence, there are thousands that rush towardds them. the firefighters, the police, the emergency personel, the medical technicians, and others who witness... i dont even know, or can't even imagine how difficult their jobs are.

i have been thinking about all my friends up in nyc. the ones i talk to, hook up with, grew up with, paint with and just see on this board. i was thinking about and praying for all of you. i wasnt online yesterday, because we needed to keep our phoneline free, so its good to see people checking in. thank you. not to be dramatic, but if there is anything i can do, please let me know.

i have so many other thoughts running around in my head. prevention? retaliation? blame? was this the begining or end? my sister was supposed to flying into philly this afternoon from europe. i don't think she is going to, but i am concerned for her safety. what about the fact that it was all domestic flights? usually those are the ones i feel safest on. i wonder what is in the future. short term and long term. for us. for them. for the families.

alot of things were shaken or called into question yesterday. beliefs, ethics, morals etc. its hard sometimes to see clearly when the line of reality becomes blurred. it takes time to sort shit out.

its good to see everyone on here. even the stupid, ignorant fucks. there are some poor points, some weak points, and some shallow, callous idiots who obviously haven't lived long enough or have enough life experience to comprehend the events that have transpired. but there are also very levelheaded, strong, responsible and intelligent trains of thought, which is refreshing. It is good to see people pull together.

i have many, many more thought, opinions and questions, but i dont feel its appropriate to get into all that right now. maybe another time, or in another thread.

in any event, my heart and prayers go out to anyones life who had been effected or affected by the terrible events yesterday.
my prayers go out to the world.

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[imported_FLiPWriTeR]

all i have to say in RIP and OSMEN BIN LADEN-were coming for you!!!!!!!!!!

[mental invalid]

rip

[HESHIANDET]

word to dusty. glad to hear everything is ok w/ your peoples.

As for this whole mess there isn't much that hasn't been said as far as condolences. my deepest thoughts and prayers.

the only positive thing i can drag out of this is the amount of support not only americans are showing, but the world. I don't know if this is the worst terrorist attack on innocent lives in history or not, but it happened in such a media saturated place there is noone who doesn't feel some angst. hopefully this tragedy will pull the wool out of some peoples eyes and let them see that we are all just humans, no one deserves the bull shit that goes on. who cares who oocupies where, and who your spiritual leader is. to each is own.
i dunno i've made some peresonal revelations out of this tragedy, and i hope others have as well.

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[HESHIANDET]

word to dusty. glad to hear everything is ok w/ your peoples.

As for this whole mess there isn't much that hasn't been said as far as condolences. my deepest thoughts and prayers.

the only positive thing i can drag out of this is the amount of support not only americans are showing, but the world. I don't know if this is the worst terrorist attack on innocent lives in history or not, but it happened in such a media saturated place there is noone who doesn't feel some angst. hopefully this tragedy will pull the wool out of some peoples eyes and let them see that we are all just humans, no one deserves the bull shit that goes on. who cares who oocupies where, and who your spiritual leader is. to each is own.
i dunno i've made some peresonal revelations out of this tragedy, and i hope others have as well.

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[23578]

Originally posted by ese:
the impact wasnt what did them in...it was huge fires melting the now exposed steel supports that collapsed the towers. if it was the force to a load bearing support it would have caved within a minute or two of the impact.


not entirely true, the steel didn't "melt" it weakens with higher temps, around 1000F they say it weakened enough that the weight of the steel, concrete, everything else above it caused a catostrophic failure. that's not the "melting" point of steel. if it hit much lower the steel would have been thicker, and required greater temps. to weaken it, look at the results of the last bombing. if it hit higher, there wouldn't have been the pressure (weight) to cause a collapse. (uc-berkeley engineering prof, pbs)

[imported_FLiPWriTeR]

what im thinking is,or herd was that the terrorists on the PA flight let whoever had a cell phone to call their families. but personally i think that they did try to take over the terrorist and in doing so all chaos broke loose and the plane went down while everbody was scraping. what you you do?? wouldnt you try to kill the fuckers if you knew you were going to die? so why not go out as a soldier!!! well thats all....

[Secret]

It said on the news that the terrorist might have used their own pilots for the attack. Now that's just insane. If I can carry pepper spray in my carry-on bags, boxcutters defitinetly wouldn't not have been a problem.

I talked to my brother yesterday... the sargent told everyone to pack their bags. All the bases are on alert right now. My brother's base is responsible for shooting missles so they're the 3rd ones up. I think the base in Florida is first.

http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb//frown.gif

[imported_FLiPWriTeR]

i agree with 23578!! and thats the fact

[23578]

Originally posted by Spoter:
just fucking great.thousands of innocent people die, and now the gov. under bush's control is gonna seek revenge and bomb the shit outta the middle east.including civilians.

yeah that's the sad truth. i think they should restrict the use of any type of bombing, and truly hunt the guys down using our best navy seals or whatever. this is the only way to get them. the only way. they can bomb the hell out of a country and still leave the power structure in tact, hello, we've been there done that. we're talking about a relative? of the fucking shah of saudi arabia, don't we think he's smart enough to build one or maybe three bomb shelters. i could do it, and he's got slaves or atleast "slave" labor. put the rockets away bush, unless you want to be an international war criminal like your poppa.

[Dusty Lipschitz]

for those of you know who Michael Moore is, good. For those who don't, you should educate yourself to him. http://www.michaelmoore.com/ ('http://"http://www.michaelmoore.com/"')
my man is intelligent, interesting, and works hard at exposing the truth. the real truth. and sometimes, the awful truth. here is his experience surrounding yesterdays horrific events. it tends to shed some light on a few things.

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Death, Downtown

Dear friends,

I was supposed to fly today on the 4:30 PM American Airlines flight from LAX to JFK. But tonight I find myself stuck in L.A. with an incredible range of emotions over what has happened on the island where I work and live in New York City.

My wife and I spent the first hours of the day -- after being awakened by phone calls from our parents at 6:40am PT -- trying to contact our daughter at school in New York and our friend JoAnn who works near the World Trade Center.

I called JoAnn at her office. As someone picked up, the first tower imploded, and the person answering the phone screamed and ran out, leaving me no clue as to whether or not she or JoAnn would live.

It was a sick, horrible, frightening day.

On December 27, 1985 I found myself caught in the middle of a terrorist incident at the Vienna airport -- which left 30 people dead, both there and at the Rome airport. (The machine-gunning of passengers in each city was timed to occur at the same moment.)

I do not feel like discussing that event tonight because it still brings up too much despair and confusion as to how and why I got to live… a fluke, a mistake, a few feet on the tarmac, and I am still here, there but for the grace of…

Safe. Secure. I’m an American, living in America. I like my illusions. I walk through a metal detector, I put my carry-ons through an x-ray machine, and I know all will be well.

Here’s a short list of my experiences lately with airport security:

* At the Newark Airport, the plane is late at boarding everyone. The counter can’t find my seat. So I am told to just “go ahead and get on” -- without a ticket!

* At Detroit Metro Airport, I don’t want to put the lunch I just bought at the deli through the x-ray machine so, as I pass through the metal detector, I hand the sack to the guard through the space between the detector and the x-ray machine. I tell him “It’s just a sandwich.” He believes me and doesn’t bother to check. The sack has gone through neither security device.

* At LaGuardia in New York, I check a piece of luggage, but decide to catch a later plane. The first plane leaves without me, but with my bag -- no one knowing what is in it.

* Back in Detroit, I take my time getting off the commuter plane. By the time I have come down its stairs, the bus that takes the passengers to the terminal has left -- without me. I am alone on the tarmac, free to wander wherever I want. So I do. Eventually, I flag down a pick-up truck and an airplane mechanic gives me a ride the rest of the way to the terminal.

* I have brought knives, razors; and once, my traveling companion brought a hammer and chisel. No one stopped us.

Of course, I have gotten away with all of this because the airlines consider my safety SO important, they pay rent-a-cops $5.75 an hour to make sure the bad guys don’t get on my plane. That is what my life is worth -- less than the cost of an oil change.

Too harsh, you say? Well, chew on this: a first-year pilot on American Eagle (the commuter arm of American Airlines) receives around $15,000 a year in annual pay.

That’s right -- $15,000 for the person who has your life in his hands. Until recently, Continental Express paid a little over $13,000 a year. There was one guy, an American Eagle pilot, who had four kids so he went down to the welfare office and applied for food stamps -- and he was eligible!

Someone on welfare is flying my plane? Is this for real? Yes, it is.

So spare me the talk about all the precautions the airlines and the FAA is taking. They, like all businesses, are concerned about one thing -- the bottom line and the profit margin.

Four teams of 3-5 people were all able to penetrate airport security on the same morning at 3 different airports and pull off this heinous act? My only response is -- that’s all?

Well, the pundits are in full diarrhea mode, gushing on about the “terrorist threat” and today’s scariest dude on planet earth -- Osama bin Laden. Hey, who knows, maybe he did it. But, something just doesn’t add up.

Am I being asked to believe that this guy who sleeps in a tent in a desert has been training pilots to fly our most modern, sophisticated jumbo jets with such pinpoint accuracy that they are able to hit these three targets without anyone wondering why these planes were so far off path?

Or am I being asked to believe that there were four religious/political fanatics who JUST HAPPENED to be skilled airline pilots who JUST HAPPENED to want to kill themselves today?

Maybe you can find one jumbo jet pilot willing to die for the cause -- but FOUR? Ok, maybe you can -- I don’t know.

What I do know is that all day long I have heard everything about this bin Laden guy except this one fact -- WE created the monster known as Osama bin Laden!

Where did he go to terrorist school? At the CIA!

Don’t take my word for it -- I saw a piece on MSNBC last year that laid it all out. When the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan, the CIA trained him and his buddies in how to commits acts of terrorism against the Soviet forces. It worked! The Soviets turned and ran. Bin Laden was grateful for what we taught him and thought it might be fun to use those same techniques against us.

We abhor terrorism -- unless we’re the ones doing the terrorizing.

We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me. Thirty thousand murdered civilians and who the hell even remembers!

We fund a lot of oppressive regimes that have killed a lot of innocent people, and we never let the human suffering THAT causes to interrupt our day one single bit.

We have orphaned so many children, tens of thousands around the world, with our taxpayer-funded terrorism (in Chile, in Vietnam, in Gaza, in Salvador) that I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised when those orphans grow up and are a little whacked in the head from the horror we have helped cause.

Yet, our recent domestic terrorism bombings have not been conducted by a guy from the desert but rather by our own citizens: a couple of ex-military guys who hated the federal government.

From the first minutes of today’s events, I never heard that possibility suggested. Why is that?

Maybe it’s because the A-rabs are much better foils. A key ingredient in getting Americans whipped into a frenzy against a new enemy is the all-important race card. It’s much easier to get us to hate when the object of our hatred doesn’t look like us.

Congressmen and Senators spent the day calling for more money for the military; one Senator on CNN even said he didn’t want to hear any more talk about more money for education or health care -- we should have only one priority: our self-defense.

Will we ever get to the point that we realize we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn’t living in poverty so we can have nice running shoes?

In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to hating us again. He withdraws from the Kyoto agreement, walks us out of the Durban conference on racism, insists on restarting the arms race -- you name it, and Baby Bush has blown it all.

The Senators and Congressmen tonight broke out in a spontaneous version of “God Bless America.” They’re not a bad group of singers!

Yes, God, please do bless us.

Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes’ destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!

Why kill them? Why kill anyone? Such insanity…

Let’s mourn, let’s grieve, and when it’s appropriate let’s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.

It doesn’t have to be like this…

Yours,

Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com

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[Frate_Raper]

Every one is saying BinLadin and I'm sure every one will be shocked when it's reveiled that it's some toothless fuck like Mcvaie or something.......I'm still so shocked I haven't watched any t.v yet but I'm sick of all teh second hand bullshit from know nothing know it alls.

[imported_FLiPWriTeR]

it was kinda good to fly DELTA that day cuz you know what they say about D.E.L.T.A- Doesnt Ever Leave The Airport..RIP to all those who served our country

[23578]

Originally posted by Pistol:

The only beautiful thing about these horrific attacks is the way people are coming together and helping each other out in a time of need. All the countries in Europe are condeming this act and are offering support. Mune said Libya and Cuba are condeming it. I heard Iran was even speaking out against this horrible act. But there is a bunch of ignorant little kids in here calling each other "ignorant" and vice versa. Maybe the 12oz boards are the only place where people have not come together????

nah dude, this is just a microcosm of the rest of the us. i saw two movies recently, "gummo" and "i'm bout it". both movies had extremely developed personalities, and i didn't find much of, and certainly no one person, in either of them, endearing. it's our society which allows these people to exist, even nurtures this type of behavior. we've a long way to go before any serious middle ground is made up in any of this. can't we stand for anything. what is this world coming to, a bunch of mutant dna running around with guns claiming to be more "bout it". man, that's the only kind of interbreeding i can't condone, i'm sure even the most nazi fuck would rather impregnate a sand nigger than have a kid with multiple birth defects due to exposure to whatever. as for inbreeding and the drowning poor what can you do to change that, yeah, you know. alright i'm babbling, i'll shut up in a sec. stop waving the fucking nukes around like you're going to solve anything, it's just making everyone edgy, and you know what happens then right. well maybe you should watch these movies, we're a country that doesn't handle it's edgey feelings well, if the us was a dude on acid, i would have given up on it a long time ago. we've got some fucked up circuitry that burns hot and shoots sparks when shit like this goes down.

[maskoner]

i kept saying i wasnt going to continue this post... hell, i keep saying i am going to quit reading this board, but here are my thoughts:

i believe it is possible to understand without condoning. i mean, try and understand why this happened. i live in a world that created these terrorist, so am i not too responsible for these attacks? i think it is about time that humans take responsibility for the products of the world they have created. i mean, i dont believe i can wholy empathize with anyone, but i try and think what it would be like to be in these situations... i feel sympaty for the citizens of the country that produced these terrorist. the pearl harbor refrences SCARE the shit out of me, knowing the tragedy that asians faced after that incident... i feel sympathy with anyone with an "alternative view," knowing the consequences of post-WWII action. imagine what these people were thinking... we created them. do you think hitler thought he was wrong? honestly. i try to consider myself wholy a pacifist in most situations but i really could give no alternative to world war 2 or other tragedies. they made our world what it is today, and that happens to be the most certain/real/perfect world in which we live. get off this good/evil trip and realize it has never been "either/or," but has always been "both/and." people are capable of the most horrendous things, but at the same time, the most caring. believe me, i view what happened yesterday as inexcusable. this is hardly an american tragedy, but a human civilization tragedy. but, at the same time so many more things are possible today than were yesterday.

"let this acceptance take." shakespere in henry V.

the revolution just got televised.

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[freddy kreuger]

3 arrested in boston for having a connection to a credit card used to purchase tickets for yesterday's flights.
2-4 suspects stopped and taken into custody off acela regional train in providence en route from boston to washington.

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[BoB Hope ONER]

well thanks for the concern from MR choke and MR tearz.

im ok.. i just happened to have left the city this weekend so.. lucky lucky.

but . sad sad my family has lost some friends. its just a hard time.. id really like to just get home and be with my family.. but you cant get back into the city right now.

and all of you talking about retalliation.. getting back at palestines and middle easterns.. quit being such bigots.. its not their faults.. .. so if you see some dark skinned person.. or someone you suspect to be of a middle eastern background.. dont feed into the hate... what we need most right now is to unify and support each other .. and not act out.. in the ways ... whomever...did this.. expects us to.

love to all of you.. and my heart goes out to those who are no longer with us.

-IbeHope.
keeping the faith.

[Smart]

glad to hear your voice Bobski, godspeed in your reunion with your family and loved ones

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[seeking]

MUNER, yeah, dude was ok. he was on the flight that left an hour before the one hijacked. her other friends that worked in the WTC are pretty much all accounted for as well. i wish you the best in the search for you friends. im sure they'll turn up. writers have a way of making it out of bad situations alright...

many of the companies that had headquarters in the WTC buildings are reporting that a great majority of their employees made it out safe. of course there were some that im sure did not, but any good news is good news. many of these reports were from companies that had offices ABOVE the impact area, which means if the higher floors got out, then it stands to reason that many of the lower floors did as well. keep your fingers crossed...

[unibomber!]

illuminati...

[*see-phore*]

not to start speculation but notice how bush was reading to school children when it happened,the guy can't read,what the fuck?.

[freddy kreuger]

a few updates.

all the terrorists identified have been from middle eastern descent.(blaming no race, just the facts.)

the terrorists identified had been in aviator's school in florida from last january to this june. (obviously this attack had been in planning for at least a year.)

the plane that went down in pennsylvania went down there due to the heros on board who did all they could to stop it from hitting washington. a man called his wife on his cell phone and told her that they all knew they were going to die and that they were doing all they could to stop the plane from hitting it's target.

bin ladin is being held under house arrest in afghanistan.

see-phore does a fantastic job of embarressing himself.

[Pistol]

Originally posted by *see-phore*:
not to start speculation but notice how bush was reading to school children when it happened,the guy can't read,what the fuck?.
That's funny...

[Kr430n5_666]

Originally posted by Pistol:
Originally posted by Kr430n5_666:
http://www.wfu.edu/~burdmg00/Moses.jpg


HOW THER FUCK CAN YOU POST STUPID IMAGES AT A TIME LIKE THIS????? YOU FUCKING NO CLASS LITTLE BITCH MOTHERFUCKER. UP TO 50,000 INNOCENT US CITIZENS DEAD AND YOU WANT TO POST PICS OF SOME FUCKING DOG. YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT!



oh shut the fuck up i know what happened you uptight idiot. you have no idea what my motiv is to posting these pictures so do not say a word.



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[Kr430n5_666]

Originally posted by Smart:
I usually despise the pictures, in this case I'm willing to suspend my general predjudice and view the dog as a symbol of America, and as a reminder that even with all this happening, the dog is oblivious, it sits and loves humans, which is probably not a bad thing about now, the dog represents the innocents, and it's own innocence... overall I find the picture to be strangely comforting.




yes. exactly. the dog looks like it just woke up...much like people now. "ooh what? we arent that safe? oh shit...what the hell is going on."

glad to see you can look outside the box.


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[23578]

Originally posted by Frate Raper:
Every one is saying BinLadin and I'm sure every one will be shocked when it's reveiled that it's some toothless fuck like Mcvaie or something.......I'm still so shocked I haven't watched any t.v yet but I'm sick of all teh second hand bullshit from know nothing know it alls.

we (american citizens) will probably be the last to find out however. it's speculation sure, but didn't our country firmly state that war has been declared on terrorism, terrorists, and anyone who is harboring them. i don't think we're going to go through much finger pointing. we, or our allies, are probably (no, definately) out there fucking shit up right now, especially bin laden, because he "declared war" against us. if you doubt it, you grew up somewhere else. what do you think holds them back, and who have they had to answer to for their actions in the past. that's right, you don't know, because it hasn't happened. a good read, "god has 99 faces" by judith? miller, middle east correspondant for 25+ years. i wouldn't watch tv if you think you're sick of second hand bullshit from no nothing know it alls. look at those fucks we've got for senators, they are casually dropping hints about what they heard second hand from some fbi guy that's telling stories (true and false, i am sure) left and right and the media picks it up and disseminates it without checking it out. these guys aren't fucking men, men know what's appropriate to say at times like these. this type of behavior is totally destructive. i know everyone with two cents in their head knew before they saw anything that it was terrorists with flight training, or an inside job. what more did we need to see but a commercial jet flying into the world trade center to find that out, the rest is insignificant. i really don't believe in capital punishment. if it's not bin laden, then it will be someone else. it's bigger than him. the media is saying shit like "an immediate response is necessary, we've waited too long in the past", but really now, did we really, how do they know this, are they god, do they know something we don't. these people are talking like the terrorist are some kind of domestic animal. anyway, raper, i guess what i'm saying is we are all just rats in the cage brother, so try and keep your anger in check.

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[23578]

318th, bump

[imported_nipples-galore]

Originally posted by HESHIANDET:

i've made some peresonal revelations out of this tragedy, and i hope others have as well.



oh yeah....ALL of my priorities are all flipped around now. I was stuck in traffic this morning going to work (NOT important on my list) and i was looking at the trees and sky..........i havent "really" looked at trees and nature in general in a while..... I guess im just starting to appreciate everything i have soooo much more now.

i cant watch that fuckin second plane crash anymore.....my friend was on that flight. I cry uncontrollably everytime i think about it, much less see it.

R.I.P. Shawn Nassaney 9.11.01



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[fr8oholic]

they found 5 firefighters alive in there.

[Frate_Raper]

How can 5 people with box cutters steal a plane????I've been thinking about the hero factor all night where was it this time????

I notice some of my other post have been erased when I joked about this whole thing.Why is that?Like I said before if that happened in canada all of you fucks would have some half way witty comment about it.

I think this will do the world of good for the american people...your not safe!your not safe in the self proclaimed rulers of the world.This may bring you all togather and maybe you'll drop the bullshit.I've said it before and I will say it again....SWEDEN RUNS TINGS!

again how can a few guys just jack a plane with knifes???what the fuck?

This is just seriously insane like how could this happen.




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[maskoner]

Originally posted by Kr430n5_666:


glad to see you can look outside the box.



nicely put.

an islamic mosque in dallas was shot up yesterday. luckily there were no lives lost. i am all for humans taking responsibiliy for what the world has came to, but why must we persecute these innocent people for something they didnt do. if we all abided by this, i would still be suffering for the klan's actions...

think before you use your derogatory terms... what did they do to deserve your hate.

[imported_Flubug Starski]

http://www.fyitoronto.com/htdocs/images/torsun/upload/0913torfr.jpg

The Sun has the best headlines. Really bad journalism.

[imported_Flubug Starski]

http://www.fyitoronto.com/htdocs/images/torsun/upload/0913torfr.jpg

The Sun has the best headlines. Really bad journalism.

[--zeSto--]

hahaha the Sun...

yesterday the title was

BASTARDS!

I guess it's ok to swear at times like these.

[mr.yuck]

man i cant believe that it has been 2 years since this happend. I can remember i was watching the news at work when this shit went down. I had to go to a probation meeting that day but when i got to the county building people were running all out of the building and shit walkin through the streets like they were crazy. They closed down so many streets it didnt make any sense. surreal.

[iloveboxcars]

i just turned on the news and there is nothing on about any "world trade center" being blown up. what are you talking about.

[king kong]

:lol:

[NOBODY]

you guys should read some of the comments made one the day this happened.a lot of people had very different opinions on this but almost everyone thought that the people behind this were going to be killed soon.i cant believe that fucker has been on the run for almost 2 years now.well i would advise you to read some of the past posts. not to mock anybody but some posts display some pretty interesting views.but yeah it seems like this shit happened just a little bit ago.sureal yes...

[Dick Quickwood]

patriotic graffiti writers ?

[Swiffer Jet]

i remember walking past my math teacher's class and seeing something on fire on tv. i asked what happened.

"a plane crashed into a building"

then i walked to class and watched it on TV.

[BROWNer]

whoa, i just read through this whole thing...
hindsight is a trip..

it's really amazing how one of the most fundamental
questions from that day has yet to really be talked
about in the mainstream press and television..
why?

who could've predicted that team bush would
do everything they could to fuck the 9/11
investigation..?

[Father John]

wow, I just now remembered everything from that day...I woke up to go to school and im sitting eating this cinnamon bun, and im watching TODAY and they flicked to one of the twin towers burning...im thinking "well thats a little weird"...I drive to school and I get into class and everyone is freaking...saying how planes are crashing everywhere...and im thinking "well thats a little weird" and then everyone started getting pissed off at my friend abduhl cause he's arab from pakistan and that day sucked...

[Daze One Million]

wow i remember when it happened...some dumbass of a kid in school said that "he seen this movie before" what an idiot....so sad that day was, i didnt have any direct relations to anyone who died because of the events but just seeing the people touches a chord. i been to the sept 11th memorial in the museum of history in dc..let me tell you the letters some people wrote and being able to see the wreckage up close enough to touch was really erie(sp?), rip to those who died because of these cowards

[villain]

you enjoy myself said "the morons really shine in this thread."
You got a good point BROWNer. Why, that's what I want to know. But I guess when your caught up in the momentum of the moment, when then feelings take over logic, well people don't really look for answers. Sad. sad sadness.
Yeah, and what about the warnings? What about that F.B.I. agent they shut up? All this prior knowledge. The chatter of terrorist activity. The ominously unifying thread of oil.
I'm so tired of all this. I was really treated bad during all of this. Hell I'm still treated bad. Matter of fact I've always been treated bad.
I need to get me a boat and just float away....

[SF1]

Originally posted by bobobi11
NEW YORK -- The United States just declared a state of war against terrorists this morning following a chaotic course of events across the nation, NBC reports.

In a horrific sequence of destruction, terrorists crashed two planes into the World Trade Center and the twin 110-story towers collapsed Tuesday morning. Explosions also rocked the Pentagon and the State Department and spread fear across the nation. streaming video

Authorities had been trying to evacuate those who work in the twin towers, but many were thought to have been trapped. About 50,000 people work at the Trade Center.

"This is perhaps the most audacious terrorist attack that's ever taken place in the world," said Chris Yates, an aviation expert at Jane's Transport in London. "It takes a logistics operation from the terror group involved that is second to none. Only a very small handful of terror groups is on that list. ... I would name at the top of the list Osama bin Laden."

President Bush ordered a full-scale investigation to "hunt down the folks who committed this act."

Within the hour, an aircraft crashed on a helicopter landing pad near the Pentagon, and the White House, the Pentagon and the Capitol were evacuated.

One of the planes that crashed into the Trade Center was American Airlines Flight 11, hijacked after takeoff from Boston en route to Los Angeles, the airline said. American Airlines issued a statement saying it had "lost" two aircraft -- Flight 11, with 92 people aboard, and Flight 77 from Washington to Los Angeles, carrying 64 people.

In Pennsylvania, United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757 en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco, crashed about 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. The fate of those aboard was not immediately known and it was not clear if the crash was related to the disasters elsewhere. In a statement, the airline also said it was deeply concerned about another plane, Flight 175, a Boeing 767 bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

Authorities went on alert from coast to coast, halting all air traffic, evacuating high-profile buildings and tightening security at strategic installations. The Situation Room at the White House was in full operation.

At the World Trade Center, "everyone was screaming, crying, running, cops, people, firefighters, everyone," said Mike Smith, a fire marshal. "It's like a war zone."

"I just saw the building I work in come down," said businessman Gabriel Ioan, shaking in shock outside City Hall, a cloud of smoke and ash from the World Trade Center behind him. "I just saw the top of Trade Two come down."

Nearby a crowd mobbed a man on a pay phone, screaming at him to get off the phone so that they could call relatives. Dust and dirt flew everywhere. Ash was 2 to 3 inches deep in places. People wandered dazed and terrified.

Evacuations were ordered at the United Nations in New York and at the Sears Tower in Chicago. Los Angeles mobilized its anti-terrorism division, and security was intensified around the naval facilities in Hampton Roads, Va.

The planes blasted fiery, gaping holes in the upper floors of the twin towers. A witness said he saw bodies falling and people jumping out. About an hour later, the southern tower collapsed with a roar and a huge cloud of smoke; the other tower fell about a half-hour after that, covering lower Manhattan in heaps of gray rubble and broken glass. Firefighters trapped in the rubble radioed for help.

"Today we've had a national tragedy," Bush said in Sarasota, Fla. "Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country." He said he would be returning immediately to Washington.

The crashes at the World Trade Center happened minutes apart, beginning just before 9 a.m., EST.

Heavy black smoke billowed into the sky above one of New York City's most famous landmarks, and debris rained down on the street, one of the city's busiest work areas. When the second plane hit, a fireball of flame and smoke erupted, leaving a huge hole in the glass and steel tower.

John Axisa, who was getting off a commuter train to the World Trade Center, said he saw "bodies falling out" of the building. He said he ran outside, and watched people jump out of the first building. Then there was a second explosion, and he felt heat on the back of neck.

WCBS-TV, citing an FBI agent, said five or six people jumped out of the windows. Witnesses on the street screamed every time another person leaped.

People ran down the stairs in panic and fled the building. Thousands of pieces of what appeared to be office paper drifted over Brooklyn, about three miles away.

Several subway lines were immediately shut down. Trading on Wall Street was suspended. New York's mayoral primary election was postponed. All bridges and tunnels into Manhattan were closed down.

David Reck was handing out literature for a candidate for public advocate a few blocks away when he saw a jet come in "very low, and then it made a slight twist and dove into the building."

Terrorist bombers struck the World Trade Center in February 1993, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000 others.

"A second occurrence is just beyond belief," said Ira Furber, former National Transportation Safety Board spokesman.

"It's just sick. It just shows how vulnerable we really are," Keith Meyers, 39, said in Columbus, Ohio. "It kind of makes you want to go home and spend time with your family. It puts everything in perspective," Meyers said. He said he called to check in with his wife. They have two young children.

In New York, "we heard a large boom and then we saw all this debris just falling," said Harriet Grimm, who was inside a bookstore on the World Trade Center's first floor when the first explosion rocked the building.

"The plane was coming in low and ... it looked like it hit at a slight angle," said Sean Murtagh, a CNN vice president, the network reported.

In 1945, an Army Air Corps B-25, a twin-engine bomber, crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building in dense fog.

In Florida, Bush was reading to children in a classroom at 9:05 a.m., EST when his chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered into his ear. The president briefly turned somber before he resumed reading. He addressed the tragedy about a half-hour later.



AND WHEN/IF YALL VOTE IN NOVEMBER REMEMBER THAT THE BUSH FAMILLY/ADMINISTRATIONS NOT ONLY CONTRIBUTED TO INSTIGATING THIS MUCH HATRED FOR US (JOE AVERAGE AMERICAN), BUT THAT INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON GETTING THE MOTHERFUCKERS RESPONSIBLE, HE PUT ALL HIS/HIS ADMINISTRATIONS ENERGIES INTO TWISTING THIS EVENT INTO AN EXCUSE TO FINISH HIS FATHERS WAR AGAINST IRAQ (WHO HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11).

[SF1]

Originally posted by Dusty Lipschitz
for those of you know who Michael Moore is, good. For those who don't, you should educate yourself to him. http://www.michaelmoore.com/ ('http://"http://www.michaelmoore.com/"')
my man is intelligent, interesting, and works hard at exposing the truth. the real truth. and sometimes, the awful truth. here is his experience surrounding yesterdays horrific events. it tends to shed some light on a few things.

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Death, Downtown

Dear friends,

I was supposed to fly today on the 4:30 PM American Airlines flight from LAX to JFK. But tonight I find myself stuck in L.A. with an incredible range of emotions over what has happened on the island where I work and live in New York City.

My wife and I spent the first hours of the day -- after being awakened by phone calls from our parents at 6:40am PT -- trying to contact our daughter at school in New York and our friend JoAnn who works near the World Trade Center.

I called JoAnn at her office. As someone picked up, the first tower imploded, and the person answering the phone screamed and ran out, leaving me no clue as to whether or not she or JoAnn would live.

It was a sick, horrible, frightening day.

On December 27, 1985 I found myself caught in the middle of a terrorist incident at the Vienna airport -- which left 30 people dead, both there and at the Rome airport. (The machine-gunning of passengers in each city was timed to occur at the same moment.)

I do not feel like discussing that event tonight because it still brings up too much despair and confusion as to how and why I got to live… a fluke, a mistake, a few feet on the tarmac, and I am still here, there but for the grace of…

Safe. Secure. I’m an American, living in America. I like my illusions. I walk through a metal detector, I put my carry-ons through an x-ray machine, and I know all will be well.

Here’s a short list of my experiences lately with airport security:

* At the Newark Airport, the plane is late at boarding everyone. The counter can’t find my seat. So I am told to just “go ahead and get on” -- without a ticket!

* At Detroit Metro Airport, I don’t want to put the lunch I just bought at the deli through the x-ray machine so, as I pass through the metal detector, I hand the sack to the guard through the space between the detector and the x-ray machine. I tell him “It’s just a sandwich.” He believes me and doesn’t bother to check. The sack has gone through neither security device.

* At LaGuardia in New York, I check a piece of luggage, but decide to catch a later plane. The first plane leaves without me, but with my bag -- no one knowing what is in it.

* Back in Detroit, I take my time getting off the commuter plane. By the time I have come down its stairs, the bus that takes the passengers to the terminal has left -- without me. I am alone on the tarmac, free to wander wherever I want. So I do. Eventually, I flag down a pick-up truck and an airplane mechanic gives me a ride the rest of the way to the terminal.

* I have brought knives, razors; and once, my traveling companion brought a hammer and chisel. No one stopped us.

Of course, I have gotten away with all of this because the airlines consider my safety SO important, they pay rent-a-cops $5.75 an hour to make sure the bad guys don’t get on my plane. That is what my life is worth -- less than the cost of an oil change.

Too harsh, you say? Well, chew on this: a first-year pilot on American Eagle (the commuter arm of American Airlines) receives around $15,000 a year in annual pay.

That’s right -- $15,000 for the person who has your life in his hands. Until recently, Continental Express paid a little over $13,000 a year. There was one guy, an American Eagle pilot, who had four kids so he went down to the welfare office and applied for food stamps -- and he was eligible!

Someone on welfare is flying my plane? Is this for real? Yes, it is.

So spare me the talk about all the precautions the airlines and the FAA is taking. They, like all businesses, are concerned about one thing -- the bottom line and the profit margin.

Four teams of 3-5 people were all able to penetrate airport security on the same morning at 3 different airports and pull off this heinous act? My only response is -- that’s all?

Well, the pundits are in full diarrhea mode, gushing on about the “terrorist threat” and today’s scariest dude on planet earth -- Osama bin Laden. Hey, who knows, maybe he did it. But, something just doesn’t add up.

Am I being asked to believe that this guy who sleeps in a tent in a desert has been training pilots to fly our most modern, sophisticated jumbo jets with such pinpoint accuracy that they are able to hit these three targets without anyone wondering why these planes were so far off path?

Or am I being asked to believe that there were four religious/political fanatics who JUST HAPPENED to be skilled airline pilots who JUST HAPPENED to want to kill themselves today?

Maybe you can find one jumbo jet pilot willing to die for the cause -- but FOUR? Ok, maybe you can -- I don’t know.

What I do know is that all day long I have heard everything about this bin Laden guy except this one fact -- WE created the monster known as Osama bin Laden!

Where did he go to terrorist school? At the CIA!

Don’t take my word for it -- I saw a piece on MSNBC last year that laid it all out. When the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan, the CIA trained him and his buddies in how to commits acts of terrorism against the Soviet forces. It worked! The Soviets turned and ran. Bin Laden was grateful for what we taught him and thought it might be fun to use those same techniques against us.

We abhor terrorism -- unless we’re the ones doing the terrorizing.

We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me. Thirty thousand murdered civilians and who the hell even remembers!

We fund a lot of oppressive regimes that have killed a lot of innocent people, and we never let the human suffering THAT causes to interrupt our day one single bit.

We have orphaned so many children, tens of thousands around the world, with our taxpayer-funded terrorism (in Chile, in Vietnam, in Gaza, in Salvador) that I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised when those orphans grow up and are a little whacked in the head from the horror we have helped cause.

Yet, our recent domestic terrorism bombings have not been conducted by a guy from the desert but rather by our own citizens: a couple of ex-military guys who hated the federal government.

From the first minutes of today’s events, I never heard that possibility suggested. Why is that?

Maybe it’s because the A-rabs are much better foils. A key ingredient in getting Americans whipped into a frenzy against a new enemy is the all-important race card. It’s much easier to get us to hate when the object of our hatred doesn’t look like us.

Congressmen and Senators spent the day calling for more money for the military; one Senator on CNN even said he didn’t want to hear any more talk about more money for education or health care -- we should have only one priority: our self-defense.

Will we ever get to the point that we realize we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn’t living in poverty so we can have nice running shoes?

In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to hating us again. He withdraws from the Kyoto agreement, walks us out of the Durban conference on racism, insists on restarting the arms race -- you name it, and Baby Bush has blown it all.

The Senators and Congressmen tonight broke out in a spontaneous version of “God Bless America.” They’re not a bad group of singers!

Yes, God, please do bless us.

Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes’ destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!

Why kill them? Why kill anyone? Such insanity…

Let’s mourn, let’s grieve, and when it’s appropriate let’s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.

It doesn’t have to be like this…

Yours,

Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com

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Now back to your regularly scheduled re-programming...

[iloveboxcars]

reading over this thread gave me a very wierd feeling. It's weird how bin laden is a house hold name now but people were struggling to spell his name when it first happened. Everyone was so frantic in the first few pages. All the speculation. Everyone ready to hop on the good foot and shoot who over we pointed out as the "evil doers. "

[TheoHuxtab|e]

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[shaolinmasta]

THIS THREAD IS GOLD!!!!!!

[freeze]

Originally posted by SF1
AND WHEN/IF YALL VOTE IN NOVEMBER REMEMBER THAT THE BUSH FAMILLY/ADMINISTRATIONS NOT ONLY CONTRIBUTED TO INSTIGATING THIS MUCH HATRED FOR US (JOE AVERAGE AMERICAN), BUT THAT INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON GETTING THE MOTHERFUCKERS RESPONSIBLE, HE PUT ALL HIS/HIS ADMINISTRATIONS ENERGIES INTO TWISTING THIS EVENT INTO AN EXCUSE TO FINISH HIS FATHERS WAR AGAINST IRAQ (WHO HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11).

seriously...you:re fucking retarded. michael moore is a bitch with a camera and you got fooled.

[imported_El Mamerro]

^Remember when you failed miserably to provide anything even remotely resembling a halfway decent argument for your side on things?

Yeah.

[imported_Tesseract]

foreal, so many years later and your mind is set on moore? Dont you think this case is a tiny bit more serious issues to discover?

[freeze]

but you all will still take michael moore:s twisted truth:s as gold...yeah.

honestly, i don:t know what to think about all this action. i do know that retarded fucking democrats push me closer to all out republican every day though when michael moore:s word is taken as absolute truth. it pisses me off that this fat asshole has the ability to mold too many ignorant minds. sure, the u.s./bush may not be on the up and up as to why we are at war, but i guarantee that it:s not to 'finish what his daddy started' or for oil.

perhaps my strongest reasoning for voting bush is that he:s real. he might not be the brightest cat on the planet, but he:s honest. yeah, he did blow in school, yeah his daughter:s fuck around, etc. he:s not a plastic mold of the typical democrat :insert al gore making out with his wife for the first time in twenty years here: john kerry:s the same shit. he:ll say what people want to hear when they want to hear it.

fuck it, i should go live on top of a mountain...oh wait, i:m in japan.

[freeze]

oh, and tess, i:m not even trying to e-box you like you presumed in a few of your other replies. i:m simply stating my opinion and throwing a few democrat jabs here and there as i catch every day being a bush fan.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by freeze

perhaps my strongest reasoning for voting bush is that he:s real. he might not be the brightest cat on the planet, but he:s honest. yeah, he did blow in school, yeah his daughter:s fuck around, etc. he:s not a plastic mold of the typical democrat :insert al gore making out with his wife for the first time in twenty years here: john kerry:s the same shit. he:ll say what people want to hear when they want to hear it.

fuck it, i should go live on top of a mountain...oh wait, i:m in japan.

I wont go in depth with this, you can vote and support whatever you want but do it with a proper judgement...people die over that shit man, and you care about his daughters and social appearance..fuck that.

[imported_El Mamerro]

One can't make up his mind about how to help the US, the other can't change his mind about how to fuck it up.

Easy choice for me.

[freeze]

that:s not what i was saying...i meant democrats put more emphasis on public appearance :insert i smoked but didn:t inhale here:. i understand that lives get put on the line over this shit, and that:s why i:d rather have an up front candidate on my side versus some pansy with puppet strings attached. but, like you said, to each his own i guess. you and i are probably in the minority of our demographic who have actual intentions of hitting the voting booths in november, so we:re ahead of the ballgame i guess.

[imported_Tesseract]

I'm not even american, so its a whole different gameplay. Republican or Democrat truth is that the US leaves lots of choices to be made up upon public appearance, (which in most cases in dictated by the media). The laws of the star system apply everywhere and thats just bad. Really, in your opinion, whats the issues that concern the average american in order to vote(nomatter what they'll vote)?

[Sarah Tonin]

doesnt really seem like 2 years ago...i remember my grandmother telling me(she was in newark at the time) that earlier that morning,before the hijacking, she went for her daily hot dog at the hot dog cart downtown(which are all, well mostly manned by Middle Easterners) but the vendor wasnt at his usual place...she couldnt find him at all, so she went to the one the next block over, again that vendor had disappeared. after finding 7 unmanned vendors... she later found out that none of them had shown up for work that morning for some odd reason.

[StarzAbove]

Im getting tired of the news in NYC its either Iraq or Republican National Convention

[freeze]

you pretty much just hit it dead on...america is pretty evenly split on our foreign policy right now (but you wouldn:t ever know that because 98% of what you see/hear is operated by loudmouth fucktard democrats). many republicans aren:t too thrilled with bush, but are frightened by kerry. unfortunately, the media plays a crucial role in our democratic process. that:s why i:m always talking shit about democrats, because they form-fit their candidates for television. all the hating on bush because he:s an idiot...sure, he:s not the smartest peanut, but c:mon, clinton? gore? kerry? please, these jerk-offs were fed the same speeches by the same speech writers, only they:re much better at delivering them. again, democrats pussy foot too much for my blood. i:d rather have a guy stutter and not put up with bullshit than be brilliantly confused by a top-notch public speaker about how the best course of action is to lay low for a little while.

*and i apologize, i had no idea you weren:t american until i just checked out your olympic thread*

[Sarah Tonin]

for the railnerd in you...heres some WTC damage fotos.

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some flooding that went on
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and the pump unit that cleans it up
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the same platform i used to stand to wait for the PATH train to go back to NJ
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sorry bout the size

[Sarah Tonin]

before
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after
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the new subway platform opened last november...note the old subway tube in the background where they used to run.

[23578]

nice pics.

Originally posted by freeze
that:s not what i was saying...i meant democrats put more emphasis on public appearance :insert i smoked but didn:t inhale here:. i understand that lives get put on the line over this shit, and that:s why i:d rather have an up front candidate on my side versus some pansy with puppet strings attached. but, like you said, to each his own i guess. you and i are probably in the minority of our demographic who have actual intentions of hitting the voting booths in november, so we:re ahead of the ballgame i guess.

Yeah Bush is real up front about his reasons for doing what he does. I saw a great sticker the other day: 3 Purple Hearts Trumps 3 D.U.I.'s. What makes you think that ole boy has any answers? Another lawyer from the Bush camp came out today about questions he answered to the legal ramifications of the SBVeterans for Truth ads. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, inhale or don't inhale, I could give a fudge.

[SF1]

Originally posted by freeze
but you all will still take michael moore:s twisted truth:s as gold...yeah.

honestly, i don:t know what to think about all this action. i do know that retarded fucking democrats push me closer to all out republican every day though when michael moore:s word is taken as absolute truth. it pisses me off that this fat asshole has the ability to mold too many ignorant minds. sure, the u.s./bush may not be on the up and up as to why we are at war, but i guarantee that it:s not to 'finish what his daddy started' or for oil.

perhaps my strongest reasoning for voting bush is that he:s real. he might not be the brightest cat on the planet, but he:s honest. yeah, he did blow in school, yeah his daughter:s fuck around, etc. he:s not a plastic mold of the typical democrat :insert al gore making out with his wife for the first time in twenty years here: john kerry:s the same shit. he:ll say what people want to hear when they want to hear it.

fuck it, i should go live on top of a mountain...oh wait, i:m in japan.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by freeze
that:s not what i was saying...i meant democrats put more emphasis on public appearance :insert i smoked but didn:t inhale here:. i understand that lives get put on the line over this shit, and that:s why i:d rather have an up front candidate on my side versus some pansy with puppet strings attached. but, like you said, to each his own i guess. you and i are probably in the minority of our demographic who have actual intentions of hitting the voting booths in november, so we:re ahead of the ballgame i guess. [/QUOTE


ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!? BUSH REAL!??! DAWG I'M A LIBERTARIAN, I HAVE ZERO RESPECT FOR THE REPUBLICAN OR THE DEMICRATIC PARTIES. BUT THE FACT IS THAT THE BUSH TROOP ARE STRAIGHT UP EVIL, AND HELLBENT ON WORLD DOMINATION AND TURNING AMERICA (AND THE REST OF THE WORLD) INTO THE CORPORATE POLICE STATE THAT ITS BECOMING. JOHN KERRY ON THE OTHER HAND SEEMS TO ME (AND ANYBODY WITH HALF A BRAIN) TO BE ONE OF THE ONLY STRAIGHT UP POLITICIANS LEFT (NOT A PUPPET ON A STICK). WHAT ABOUT KERRY "SCARES YOU". YOUR SCARED OF KERRY BUT NOT BUSH!?!? DUDE ARE YOU RETARDED?

ALSO IF YOUR SUCH A REPUBLICAN THEN WHAT DRAWS YOU TO A GRAFFITI SITE? ARE YOU A COP? SERIOUSLY.

[Sarah Tonin]

Originally posted by SF1
[QUOTE]ALSO IF YOUR SUCH A REPUBLICAN THEN WHAT DRAWS YOU TO A GRAFFITI SITE? ARE YOU A COP? SERIOUSLY.
:lol:

[Poop Man Bob]

Jesus, I get goosebumps reading this thread.

[iloveboxcars]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob@Oct 9 2004, 06:44 AM
Jesus, I get goosebumps reading this thread.
Quoted post


i went over it when it was first bumped acouple months ago and get a weird feelings too. It was really odd to see everyone's initial responses to 9/11.

[ClueTwo]

Amazing. I still remembe waking up that morning to my girlfriend calling me to turn on the TV from work.....This thread is chilling.

[CinchedWaist]

I remember i was at home...my ex bf called and told me what was going down.
I went to work but they sent everyone home since we were close to downtown.
The buses were packed.
I was convinced the sears tower was going to be next.
*I think everyone will always remember where they were when they first heard the news.

[ODS-1]

I was shocked and sad and all that but it really got me when I saw someone jump out on CBS news. What's strange about that is it wasn't gory or anything, I guess it was just thinking about what was going through their minds. I suppose people in Iraq are dying just like that because of our bombs.
And the number of U.S. soldiers killed in the middle east in the "war on terror" is almost more than half of the people killed on 9/11. I'd like to see someone explain how that's doing any good.

[2 blaazed]

i remeber that mornin like it was yesterday....i woke up and past my sisters room on the way to the bathroom...as i passed i looked in at her tv and caught a glance on one of them on fire...i figured it was a movie..as im leaving the bathrooms she callls me in her room and explains to me what happened...at the time i had 2 uncles a sister workin in the towers and my girlfriend working a internship down the block...so my friend called me and asked if i wanted to bike to the city..i agreed got dressed and was on my way to the city in a matter of seconds......on our way there the second plane passed over us real low then mins later u heard a huge explosion and seen the second one go in..we get to our boys house wich was about a mile from the trade center on his roof smoking a BLUNT WHEN WE SEE THEM START FALLING...at that point we had to loeave the roof due to dust and wind...found out both my uncles and my sisters didnt go to work that day and my girl was just fine...crazy fuckin day in nyc tho..

[oneeightyone]

i was in my first period class, i gradutated in 2002, we live 15 minutes away from the pentagon, so when the teacher came in and told us what had happened, that the pentagon was bombed, nearly the entire class stood up to go call, because most parents worked there, i started freaking out since my cousin who's more like a brother works there, it was strange, it didnt hit until i saw it on tv and i started to break down, it was strange.

[niseNSF]

not to make any light of this day whatsoever....but i had never seen this thread til now, and was reading the first few pages...and it did make me laugh to see like peoples definitive 'facts' in those early moments....like dude its confirmed 100,000 people died! the mall in washignton is on fire!

not maiking light of the tragedy...just funny to reminisce on all the made up stuff that got fed to us that first day...who can blame them in the chaos, but still its just funny to me looking back on some of the things we all bought into after hearing it on TV.

[mr.yuck]

here is something that my girl sent to me the other day. I was always under the impression that the official statement was that a plane was crashed into the pentagon.

http://thewebfairy.com/video/pentagon121.swf

[Herbivore]

i remember i was still in college when it happened, so naturally i was sleeping at the time. my friend called me up and told me that the world trade center had been bombed. i said "that sucks", hung up, and went back to sleep. i thought it was similar to the first time the towers had been bombed, which wasn't nearly as devastating as 9-11, and failed to realize the severity of the situation until i strolled out of bed and went downstairs to find about 20 people in our living room watching the tv in horror. crazy shit..... just thought i'd share one of those "where were you when....?" stories

[Theo A. Huxtable]

shocking

[the.crooked]

whats the deal on news right now? at work...

[ASER1NE]

Read the first few pages again....sobering.

[CALIgula]

wow.... i was just looking for this thread two days ago, but couldnt find it...thanx theo..

[120ZNAME]

crazy shit..... just thought i'd share one of those "where were you when....?" stories

I was working at a sex shop upstairs putting price tags on dildoes, pornflicks and condoms and shit. I would come in a few hours before they opened and do stock work. I was listening to Howard Stern as that shit was happeneing. Howard basically canceled his show and dedicated it to covering the story as it was unfolding. I remember thinking that this is 'the big one" that the government was waiting for to use as an excuse to pass all kinds of Orwellian laws and turn America into a police state in the name of "security". I guess I was right. I wish I was wrong.


Also I remember Hank the Angry Dwarf died like a day or two prior and that was the big news right before 911.

[Dawood]

I know I'm about 5 years late on this thread, but when I heard about 9/11 I was on my way to a job and I stopped at a bank. I walked into the bank (I wasn't listening to the news on my car radio) and half not paying attention to the clerks demeanor, I asked her how she was doing and she was like "not very good at all" so I gave her a concerned look and asked "why?" She said "we're at war!" I said "with who?" expecting a solid answer like a country or something but she just said "I don't know!" with this terrified expression on her face. That was after the first plane but before the second. I jumped back into my car and started driving listening to the radio then I heard the report of the second plane. I stopped at a gas station and watched those planes hit over and over about 25 times.
I had a real sinking feeling when I saw those planes hit, I guess like everyone else, but I was a new muslim and people were already talking that "kill the raghead sandnigger" stuff where I was that day.
I honestly knew in my gut that it was wrong, but I needed to hear it from a knowledgable source because a lot of ignorant muslims were saying that america finally got what it deserved for the oppression the muslims had been suffering before 911 , but that didn't settle with me. It didn't smell right to me. Only until the major scholars in the muslim countries started to condemn the attacks did all the uneducated muslims here start to change their tune.

It's amazing how much peoples eyes opened after those attacks. People wanted answers. My family members were calling me asking me why? ...why would someone do that? etc.
I didn't know what to say. Except to say it was wrong and that Islam doesnt allow this sort of thing etc. But , people wanted answers. non muslims showed up at mosques 100% more than they did before 911. Everyone wanted a Quran. A huge number of people embraced islaam after 911, I guess just out of curiousity, wanting to know , then finding what they didnt expect. It was an amazing time to witness ,especially being a muslim. People were very alive shortly after 911 , if not anything else , they were alive and awake , and then evenually all the hype died down, something else moved into the limelight, and it seemed like everyone went back to sleep and empty slogans prevailed once again.

I pray that we wake up again and I hope that something will bring that concern back to us, the concern and desire to be good, decent individuals, and I hope it doesn't take another disaster to do it.

[the.crooked]

Read the first few pages again....sobering.


i did that today, when the thread got bumped. its amazing all the things we thought were happening that day.

[Theo A. Huxtable]

I was in the navy at the time, stationed overseas in Japan. I was in the Internet center on base during the attacks, checking e-mail, browsing, etc... It was nighttime over there... it was 9:46pm on Tuesday night in Japan when the first plane hit. I didn't hear about the news til around 10:30pm or so -- someone on the computer nearby was like "hey a plane just hit the world trade center" (even though this was about 45 minutes after it happened, but the websites were slow). I remember all the news websites being hard as fuck to get on, obviously due to the tragedy. Everyone thought it was an accident. Then someone else said another plane hit -- I thought they must've misread something. Then when more and more people in the computer room said planes hit the Pentagon, and then those rumors about Air Force One, the Washington Mall, and Camp David all being targeted -- then we knew something was up. I remember hearing a female outside the room talking to someone saying the "world trade center is gone." I figured she was mistaken, because I was thinking the WTC was still standing; and afterwards the survivors would be rescued and it would take years to repair the building. Then I finally was able to log on to msnbc.com. The first image I saw was a plume of smoke and with the words "south tower of the WTC collapses." This hadn't been updated, because I think the north tower had already collapsed by that time too. Everyone in the internet room, including myself, began to run to a nearby room which had flatscreen TV's hanging against the wall... when we got there, we saw the images of lower Manhattan engulfed in smoke. Then they showed replays of both towers collapsing. And of course the Pentagon on fire. Then everyone started heading back to their ships. When I got on my ship, I went down into my berthing (living quarters), and into the lounge, where other people were watching the news on CNN. They kept showing replays of the planes hitting the buildings. I remember the words "America Under Attack" at the bottom. After a while, my division officer comes down into the berthing, asking someone to help get the patrol boat lowered into the water, and to grab shotguns, 9 mills, and the mounted machine guns. Of course, I doubt that ever happened. Over the summer of 2001 it was in the news that bin Laden was planning to hit U.S. interests, but it was generally thought that it would probably be a military installation overseas or an embassy overseas.

[lord_casek]

i was watching some morning news. some lady was on the street talking to a crowd, then right over her right shoulder...you could see it. it was comparable to those people who saw jfk getting shot. i called some friends and told them to be prepared for curfews, police in apc's, etc. one friend came over as the second tower was collapsing. we watched it and kinda sat there in silence.

that was one fucked up day, regardless of who did what.

[the.crooked]

that was one fucked up day, regardless of who did what.



this pretty much says it.

[Tesseract]

Believe it or not, i was home and i just had finished sanding a boeing scale model...freaky shit

[Poop Man Bob]

Bump.

[Poop Man Bob]

I just moved this from Crossfire to ch0, as only 1 person is viewing Crossfire right now.

[CALIgula]

chills everytime i read the first few pages..

[iloveboxcars]

i woke up and found out about it on 12oz, then i turned on the tv.

[RumPuncher]

I remember this thread well.

I think I was sitting at the same desk in the same office.

I need a change of scenery.

[EastBayPirateHouse]

It's weird how much false information people had. Like things that never happened. Crazy stuff.

[IrishCarBombs]

word on the first page i read something about a third plane knocking down the tower

[Theo A. Huxtable]

oh for real when did this happen?

[johnny ballbags]

i had just flown home from fl and was at logan 10 hrs before all that shit started happening....

[CORPORAL-PUNISHMENT]

I WAS WALKING TO THE TRAIN TO GO TO WORK FOR MY EARLY MORNING SHIFT..
THEN SOME DOG WAS FOLLOWING ME AROUND HARRASSING ME AND TRYING TO STEAL MY DONUTS THAT I BOUGHT FOR SOME COWORKERS..
I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THE SKY AND NEVER SEEING SO MANY STARS IN THE SKY...
THIS IS CHICAGO... BUT IT WAS ALSO LIKE 4 AM...
WORKING RECEIVING SOME GIRL AT WORK WAS TELLING EVERYONE TO CHECK THE TV..
WE ALL HEADED TO THE BREAKROOM...
ALL IN SHOCK.. THE RADIO ANNOUNCED IT...
MY MANAGER GOT ALL SHOOK...
AFTER AN HOUR OF DEBATING.. WE ALL GOT TO GO HOME, AS DOWNTOWN WAS GETTING CLEARED OUT AND TOURISTS AS WELL AS OTHERS WERE TAKING PIC'S OF ALL THE SKYCRAPERS HERE..
I ENDED UP STAYING IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN SETTLING AN ARGUMENT WITH A FRIEND..

WEIRD DAY.

[Some1]

I was in psychology class then we were told to turn the TV's on. My school being ghetto we turned it on and saw the second tower getting hit through the snow on the TV... We were let out early and I went home. I will admit I cried when I saw the people jumping out of the windows...I felt the need to paint... I went to my school and painted ahuge american flag on the rock in front... it was like 2 oclock in the morning and I remember seeing all these helicopters and military jets in the sky it was crazy I didnt do any grafitish type stuff just the american flag. It was nice because I went back to school and people were really happy and talked about it. I felt asthough it boosted morale at the school. That thursday our town paper came out and it was on the front page...I felt I did my part...

[WrIot]

when 9/11 happnd i was a freshman i think and they told us what happnd then we were told to wait in the parking lot 2500 kids in one parking lot......were they hoping we'd get bombed?

[po it up]

it was such a gloomey day here in california too... very gloomey.

[makeithappennn]

I remember sitting in class and seeing one of the other teachers run in the room and turn the tv on..i didnt have any idea of how serious it was. im sure everyone has been affected by this in some way.

[pissdrunkswhat?]

same way my shit went down, chillin in class, teacher gets a call and runs in with a tv and i watched the second plane blamo the tower... shit was off the wall

[Jackson]

C'est Vrai. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNiNS8TnJnI)

[rusty antique]

i just read the first couple of pages of this thread....its brought tears to my eyes.

I LOVE AMERICA!

[shameless self promotion]

Pretty crazy, I just read through the whole thread...

[papa_dukes]

wow this is history. classic. props to whoever brought it back

[Spitfire15]

Sitting in class. The principal came on the announcements telling us to turn on the news.

Watching and saw the second plane hit,the teacher turned it off,we went back to work. By the end of the day alot of parents came to pick their kids up.

I got home and it was all over the news. My dad says (ill never forget this),after explaining all the shit that went down and seeing my reaction like yea whatever,"Dont forget this. This is going to be the defining moment of you generation.(not actually word for word but it was along those lines.) Looking back at it, i really had no idea how right he was until now.

[AllTheWrongWords]

My dad is overseas somewhere, not sure where. Not sure if hes alive.

Its been about two years and counting.

At first for a long while I thought 9/11 really didnt effect me. Until months passed and months passed and I thougth about why I haven heard from him. Then I realized that the root of why is because of what happened. I gained a new respect for what happened. Though I dont support 'America' or 'The War On Turr'. I dont encourage nor do I protest it.

I just keep in mind that these are the last days and all this is just the climactic ending

[skullnbones]

woah this thread is incredible to read through. wish i had the time to readit all.

i want to hear some american opinions on the "911 Loose Change" documentary.

What do you guys think about the possibility that it was the U.S attacking itself??

I'm not implying either way im just interested to hear more opinions.

[Spitfire15]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

[VAJ]

I remember sitting in class and seeing one of the other teachers run in the room and turn the tv on..i didnt have any idea of how serious it was.


Thats the same way I found out about it. I didnt recognize the seriousness either.
Hmmm....Odd. In school at the time yet neither of us saw how big of a deal it was.

[garlic prawns]

Being in oz.

I heard it on the TV while attempting to sleep, I woke up downed a few coffee’s and watched the news reports for about 4 hours straight.

That was such a long time ago and I vividly remember it.

[Theo A. Huxtable]

this thread keeps being moved back and forth from channel zero to crossfire... must be a miscommunication between a couple mods

[ODS-1]

World Tard Center teh movie.

[CALIgula]

i was sleeping when it all went down....thats cause i live in cali and it was like 6 in the morning....anyways....i remember the next day...someone in my city painted a huge american flag on the freeway and above it, it said "revenge is ours"....i went to flick it the next day and it was already buffed!!....you think theyd let that shit ride for ar least a few days....oh well...my city is wack because of the buff.

[Theo.Huxtable]

bump... just because this thread was made on 9-11-01... i think it's good to glimpse into the past and see what others were saying/thinking as the events unfolded.

edit: oh shit i thought this was moved to crossfire. guess it got moved back.

[After School Special]

Yea it's pretty amazing to see peoples thoughts as it unfolded.

[CALIgula]

damn....the world has changed so much because of this one day....sucks.

[Theo.Huxtable]

crazy thing though was that seth mcfarlane (creator/voice-actor of 'family guy') was supposed to be on AA Flight 11, the first plane that hit the wtc. but he arrived to the airport late past the final boarding call, and had to get on the next flight.

[dailycrunch]

hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Bojangles]

007-373-5963

[CELT]

^^^

http://media.gamespy.com/columns/image/jan04_punchout_04.jpg

[Mauler5150]

Wasn't Marky Mark meant to be on that flight too?

Funny thing was I was awake when it happened, actually on the net, and read it on a forum I used to frequent before I found this place. When I got home at 1am from my friends, my Mum asked if I knew what happened and we watched the second plane crash. Fully bizzare.

[greensleeves]

this was an insane day. they announced what was going on at school (high school at the time) and my fucking computer teacher wouldn't put the tv on cuz we had to learn how to use microsoft access!

"America is under attack!"
"Fuck it! Lets get Office certified!"

So in my next class we watch as the 2nd plane hit and it was just a stunning thing to see. my history teacher says "Those towers will never fall, they bombed it previously and it did nothing" Then they fell.

Also my high school thought it would be a good idea if they shut the gate to the parking lot.

Terrorist: Oh shit that high school closed its parking lot. We better fly this plane back to the airport. Don't wanna even fuck with that chainlink fence.

[viperface]

^ it's the thought that counts.

[BloodKlot]

I feel nothing either way about terrorism.
I feel sad for the people that lost their lives that day, and their families.
My views on the world were not changed that day, they were solidified.

[iloveboxcars]

all i remember is i didnt have a job, i did some serious spots the night before and people kept fucking calling me while i was sleeping. finally i answered and was like "WHAT. WHAT THE FUCK" yeah.

i could be remembering this wrong though.

[internet]

gay

[whoisthis?]

its amazing to read this and the thoughts that were going through peoples heads..

i cant believe how long we have been at this shit now..

[fat ralphy]

i truly believe it is a conspiracy....we had legislation proposed during the bay of pigs to allow us to staged attacks against ourselves to provoke war....its a little to fishy to me..plus the fact these buildings fall in a matter of minutes...steel structures?

[Seffiks]

well its been 6 years

Bless The Families Who Lost A Love One/s

[IrishCarBombs]

damn 6 years already

R.I.P firefighter Larry Veling
R.I.P mother Lucy Fishman

2 great people i know who passed that day out of the many innocent people

[Theo.Huxtable]

stop lying i just turned on the news nothing about any planes

[amongst]

my heart goes out to all the people who went down with the WTC's.

[amongst]

definately an inside job.

[CALIgula]

can we vault this thread?....so when people read it they read the actual convo from those first few days and weeks after sept. 11th and not text from 6 years after it happened.

if anything there can be another thread for sept. 11th rememberance with a link for this thread in it.

[Avancier2]

definately an inside job.

co signed. Watch a documentary on Youtube called Loose Change. It makes a lot of sense.

[Theo.Huxtable]

i agree preserve the thread in the archives. it's interesting to look at it and see what people were thinking at the time. i was living in japan at the time and it was like 10:30 at night when i heard the news. so that means it was about 9:30am in new york, which was around the time the pentagon got hit. i was in an internet center too checking e-mail. i just remember some guy saying that a plane hit the world trade center. the news websites were hard as fuck to get on. i was getting little snippets of updates. then everyone left the internet center and went to another room where they had flatscreen tv's on the wall. i just remember seeing lower manhattan engulfed in smoke, and they replayed the towers falling, and the planes hitting. everybody at the base stayed up throughout the morning glued to the news.

[amongst]

i was sleeping here in hawaii. my mom woke me up crying saying that something bad had happened. man, i was still in high school back then. i remember i used to like this chick and it was her birthday. my math teacher's sister was working at the pentagon that day, but she wasn't hurt. my teacher was so sad all day until her sister gave her a call to let her know that she was ok. i don't think i would have been able to handle that shit if i was in NY that day. very heavy.

yet another day that will live in infamy.

[justaname]

i was in class that day and i thought what happened was some commercial of a new movie. i was confused the whole day and shit. it was a fucked up moment.

[Theo.Huxtable]

here's a pretty good raw amateur video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4256675597508654859&q=bob+saw+that+day&total=376&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[IrishCarBombs]

i was 13 when it happened, i was in english class when it happened,
girl in the next row breaks down crying when we here the news, her
mom worked in the WTC, weeks later they find her moms remains

[lord_casek]

naudet brothers footage
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8192049524837816052&q=9%2F11+naudet+brothers+duration%3Along&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


rip victims.

[SpreadAIDS]

i remember this thread was how i found out about 9/11 since i didnt have a tv at the time.

[Pfffffffffft]

crazy..


this thread always gets bumped around this time..



R>I<P 9/11

[Sleeping Pills]

this brings back such horrible memories dude. rip. tomorrow's going to be gloomy.

[lord_casek]

crazy..


this thread always gets bumped around this time..



R>I<P 9/11

should be a sticky just for tomorrow.

[CALIgula]

can we vault this thread?....so when people read it they read the actual convo from those first few days and weeks after sept. 11th and not text from 6 years after it happened.

if anything there can be another thread for sept. 11th rememberance with a link for this thread in it.

bump to this page for a mod or admin to see.

[screaming hand logo]

some say 50 im going with kanye.... son

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

naudet brothers footage
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8192049524837816052&q=9%2F11+naudet+brothers+duration%3Along&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


rip victims.


That's some real shit. Good looks posting that.

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

can we vault this thread?....so when people read it they read the actual convo from those first few days and weeks after sept. 11th and not text from 6 years after it happened.

if anything there can be another thread for sept. 11th rememberance with a link for this thread in it.

No offense but that's just stupid. This should stay one thread and in Channel Zero. Who the fuck looks at the Vault?

[Earthworm Jim]

i have the worst birthday of the year, fucking terrorists are gay

[CILONE/SK]

I was in the middle of the woods in New Hampshire helping my grandfather build a deck for his cabin and some crazy guy came out of the woods talking about how new york was burning. It was another few days until I got out of those woods and found out what happened.

[SADDAM HUSSEIN]

i said it when it happened and i'll say it today.... it was all the bin laden and the bush familie$$$$$$$

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

i said it when it happened and i'll say it today.... it was all the bin laden and the bush familie$$$$$$$

^Why else would the Bin Laden familly have been flown out of the country at a time when all flights were grounded and the prime suspect was their son?
Seriously.
WTF???

[SADDAM HUSSEIN]

you dont even know how many haters i had on my nuts for saying shit like that right after it happened.. while it was happening... everybody looked at me as if i were some kinda anti-american... one of my own friends tried getting into a physical fight over the shit i was saying, but after a while.. they started to see..

with all tht antrax poppin up in government secured buildings and all... a real terrorist woulda taken that shit to disney land. but i guess if the shadow government wants to scare people after they've murdered all those people in the twin towers, they better play it safe if they dont want to cause total panic...

as bush kinda said.,.. "go on as if nothing happened folks"

9-11 really made me distrust my government.. i mean.. workin with the local government in my state and seeing how the corruption works there is silly enough.
you dont know how funny it is... i wanna join politicks and get paid

[DRUNKEN-ASSHOLE-ONER]

I remember saying that the shit looked like controlled implosions the first time I saw each building come down.
On 9-11 as it was happening.

[lord_casek]

i remember watching the news that morning and this reporter was out in the street when the first plane hit just behind her. i called a friend of mine an hour into it and told him marshall alw was coming down on us.

[lord_casek]

"What is the greatest threat facing us now? People will say it's terrorism. But are there any terrorists in the world who can change the American way of life or our political system? No. Can they knock down a building? Yes. Can they kill somebody? Yes. But can they change us? No. Only we can change ourselves. So what is the great threat we are facing?"

colin powell

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/09/colin-powell-te.html#more

[2Blazzed]

naudet brothers footage
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8192049524837816052&q=9%2F11+naudet+brothers+duration%3Along&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


rip victims.


oo shit.i seen this when it first came on tv.it was like 6 months after the attack and it wrenched my heart.

[PLEZO1SON]

i was in new mexico wit my sister and her mom call us and tells us we are under attack, turn on the shit just in time for the second one to hit. amongst all the diffrent camera angles i see a pink roller that pink and revs did. thats all i really member i was hung the fuck over.

[tango 24]

i was on my way to camp the morning after
i watched it on tv the night before
suffice to say it was not such an awesome camp

[Reuben Kinkaid]

My dad was driving me to school and we thought it was a radio prank. So we put on music. I believe it was Whitesnake.

[CILONE/SK]

i was on my way to camp the morning after
i watched it on tv the night before
suffice to say it was not such an awesome camp

Band camp?




For real I have been watching the news all morning and so far I have counted 8 moments of silence on fox news.

[tango 24]

no
i dont live in america
we dont have lame fuckin band camps

[CILONE/SK]

So what kind of camp did you go to?

Fat camp?

[tango 24]

you bastard
its a glandular thing...

[BruceLeroy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylwz3EqpgcU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5FtRZP8dSI

[ClueTwo]

theres not gonna be a war. who the fuck will we war against? the tiny fanatical terrorist group that did this? they're not gonna reinstate the draft to kill a few thousand people. its not like iraq wanted to get back at us, so they pulled this off or japan was holding a grudge. it was one small organization and id be surprised if they're family's were still breathing at this moment. our government kills ten's of thousands of innocent people a year, you think they're gonna hesitate to take out the guilty? i think not.


Boy oh boy.....Were you wrong on this one. haha, how fucking ironic.

[Porcelain]

i remeber sitting in class...
my teacher was crying(he was a male)
i thought it was some fucked up shit..

some other dudes were making fun of it..
assholes...then the teacher had them suspended

[CILONE/SK]

Your teacher was a asshole for having them suspended for making fun of him because he was such a bitch.

[Porcelain]

they were mkaing fun of the towers being bombed..
and the teacher had gotten mad.
started talking about his father and uncles in vietnam and shit..
saying that its fucked up to make fun of thousands of peeps dying..

i just sat there stay quiet and waited till the bell rang

[CILONE/SK]

Still shouldn't have been suspended.

[Porcelain]

yeah..fuck it though. that was along time ago..
im pretty sure those guys are in county for raping a dog or something now...

[MitchThe$nitch]

i was late for work - got in a cab and heard a small plane had hit the world trade center. i didn't think it was a big deal. i get to work (sears tower-chicago) and the doors were locked - no one was allowed in because they thought a plane might be headed for it. i walked home - the trains were all packed. got a six pack and watched the news for 24 hours straight. RIP

[youngoner]

young bush oner for teh win

[roadpig]

my aunt, whose son happend to joined the marines in march of 2001, passed away on the morning september 11th 2001. she was nowhere near the towers but it happend in the same hour.

RIP to my Tia

[CILONE/SK]

How?

[roadpig]

heart failure.

i was the first person to find out about her passing too. an hour after the attacks. it wasnt a good day for me.

[edoggg]

r.i.p.

[DA KID MERO]

ON THE LIST OF "CRAZY SHIT I SEEN IN MY LIFETIME" THIS SHITS BEEN NUMBER 1 FOR A MINUTE.

RIP D. STAR
RIP MURPHY

[count chocula]

*edit

RIP

[MountHolyoke]

wow. reading page 1 of this thread is crazy. seriously brings it back. all the confusion, etc.

[Spitfire15]

Memorial at our school.

Fighter jets flew over in formation. Cool.

RIP to all those that passed.