George Bush Scares me, and so did his speech

[Lush]

Did anybody else watch this? It's a pretty lofty, arrogant plan. I mean, sure nobody within their right mind wants terrorists running around, training others, etc. It's never going to happen though, not unless they blow the whole middle east into oblivion. scary, scary, scary. Also, I highly doubt that the countries will just throw the terrorists at the USA.

thoughts and comments anybody?

[Remy Martin]

its all bad.

[eros]

I thought the speech was good with the exception of these two key points:
-his rational for why they do not like the US
-he feels that ALL nations must choose sides

It was george dubya, so I went in waiting to be scared, but I wasn't that scared.

[avils]

Originally posted by Lush:
..unless they blow the whole middle east into oblivion.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......

[Lush]

Originally posted by eros:

-his rational for why they do not like the US


I knew there was a point I forgot. That part was bullshit. They don't hate Canada, and we have the same rights and freedoms.

[This message has been edited by Lush (edited 09-20-2001).]

[Smart]

oh they HATE canadians... but they're scared of you...

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2 Can Sam

[imported_bobobi11]

This is very scary stuff, so I think you have a right to feel scared. Friends, regardless of the outcome of this new war, our way of life is in serious jeopardy.

As for Dubya's comments on the motivations of these terrorists...well let's just say if he is right, they got their wish.

[Umpa Loompa]

shits retarted...people are gonna die..and it sucks..

[Remy Martin]

there was far to much clapping...
i still cant belive a great president was impeached for being shady on who sucked his dick...yet we get the great rhetoric from texas about how we are making the world choose sides and will blah blahb balbhabhblba
...
fuck this.
impeach bush for his first fuck up.

[imported_bobobi11]

Originally posted by Remy Martin:
i still cant belive a great president was impeached for being shady on who sucked his dick....

He wasn't impeached. He faced an impeachment hearing and he was found...I don't want to say innocent...but they ruled that the charged actions did not affect his ability to run the country.

Not that I am saying he was a great president.

[*see-phore*]

i heard an interview with a former associate of bin ladens who said that one of the reasons that he hates the us is because he feels that the us is against the people of islam.
and i dont think hes against canada,eh!

[Remy Martin]

but still bob11, he balanced the budget and got player hated for it. thats bullshit.
bush turned his back on cali and let his energie intrests gouge us.
i have no faith in bush as a world peace negotiator...
what ever one of his henchmen said really bugged...
somthing about whats victory..he mentioned a slew of things, such as finding who did this and knowing who did this..apparently the bush administration does not see pushing for world peace as victory..and that bugs me that a few people compared to the 250 million that make up this country decide who lives, who dies and where the money gets spent.

and theres absolutley nothing i can do about it.
'
fuck.

[This message has been edited by Remy Martin (edited 09-21-2001).]

[imported_bobobi11]

Remy - I didn't say that Bush was so great either. But it's not my place to judge. Personally I would never want that job or that responsibility.

[Remy Martin]

they didnt even give the victims a moment of silence in that speech.
whatthefuckever.

[Cloud Trapeze]

i think he did pretty good. he's far from an interesting speaker though, even when the subject matter is so interesting...IMO he really fails to captivate like clinton did. one thing that really pisses me off about him is his fucking winking..
anyhow...this whole thing is definitely scary.
the US needs to get in, get the job done fast, and get the fuck out of pakistan, becuz pakistan is a time bomb....the US really needs to
get in and get bin laden and whomever else quick. otherwise you are going to see a whole slew of problems. my professional opinion [img]http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb//biggrin.gif'>

[cracked ass]

Originally posted by Remy Martin:
qaurter billion

That typo hurt my eyes.
I think Bush is psyched to have this crisis to pounce on and work with. It's easy to get a high approval rating in a warlike scenario, especially if suckerpunched first. I didn't see the speech but I can guess most of the content.

[tmf0]

what would be the worst case scenario?

all allies would recruit every guy thats fifteen and up because there would be a world war 3 and thier other troops are already dead.
we go, they start bombing the US with and atomic bomb, we get them.
its over, the world is gonna die sooon, really soon

[Remy Martin]

crackeds on point..bush is jocking this shit..last 3 times i seen him on tv, the fucker is smiling.
FUCK THAT!
man...clinton was a smooth player from the gritty streets..bush is a fucking rich kid...
not that i really like politics..
fuck it, were at war..im applying for asylum in protest.
italy sounds nice.

[imported_iphs]

what i thought what horribly typical of bush- where his ignorance and arrogance...
how could he even say....
“These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion,” . “The Taliban must act and act immediately. They will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate.”

now you tell me, is that going to solve anything are we going to get anywhere with bush speaking of demands that are not even open to discussion and threats to Afghanistan’s leaders to share the same fate- if they dont comply with HIS demands..??? what the fuck- doesnt he think...<dont answer that>

that idiot should not be speaking for the country as a whole or addressing anyone in those terms...
infinite justice- yeah right..
eternal denial of the truth...


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[dosoner]

Originally posted by bobobi11:
He wasn't impeached. He faced an impeachment hearing and he was found...I don't want to say innocent...but they ruled that the charged actions did not affect his ability to run the country.

Not that I am saying he was a great president.

your so very wrong. he was impeached. impeachment is the act of trying the president to find weather his actions affected his ability to run the country.

so, yes, he was impeached, but no, he was not found to have fucked with running the country because of what he did.

[young republican]

what time-east coast time-was his speech aired live???

[pReaCher]

el blunto es muy bueno..

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by bobobi11:
He wasn't impeached. He faced an impeachment hearing and he was found...I don't want to say innocent...but they ruled that the charged actions did not affect his ability to run the country.

Not that I am saying he was a great president.

No, he was impeached. He wasn't, however, removed from office. There's a big difference.

[Remy Martin]

after watching the speach again,
bush tried real hard...i still think the reaction is to quick. get heated and the terrorists that attacked us might just try it again...
i really wish more attention will be paid twoards negotian, getting a world wide truce, a peace deal, and then covertley killing who ever was behind this attack.

[MUNE]

i dont think he was asking people to chose sides point blank with everything. just terrorist hrboring nations.
"if your not involved great, but you better not be harboring terrorists." its no different than aiding and abbetting felons.

for a moron frat boy i thought the speech was pointed in the right direction, and i like the part about muslims not being the enemies and that we respect their faith.
im not scared about that.

[kaesthebluntedwonder]

Originally posted by pReaCher: el blunto es muy bueno..

[deznatori]

It is times like now when I am glad I got told we don't need you in the armed forces. Permanently broken bones and arthritis have advatages for me.

[mental invalid]

"that idiot should not be speaking for the country as a whole or addressing anyone in those terms..."-iphs


are you a fucking retard? or are you just trying to hard at being a government dissident? read slowly: he is the p-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t of the united states of america...get it?...he is our head of state! i swear some people on this board seriously need to rethink their arguements...who would you like to address congress, the nation, and the rest of the world...seems to me that the president fits the bill...geez...anyway i thought politically it was good speech....certainly i didnt think it was churchillian in the scope of history, but it was good...i agree with eros on one point and that is his rational for why they do not like the US...but then again do you really think hes gonna get into the true reasons? no, not all and i dont expect him to...as far as demanding an immediate action on the part of the taliban, i think it was justified...now that certainly doesnt mean that we should blanket the area with bombs, but we need to be clear and precise with our demands for them, our people, and the world...plus after the us embassy and uss cole bombings we have done little in the way of retatliation, and perhpas that time has come...hopefully to the US will take a good look at their foreign, economic and military policies, and see how these could be also escalating the hate...yeah i got my fingers crossed to, but i have to be unbiased and judge the speech as i saw it, and really i dont think he coulda done much better...just be careful now george, because you dont want a 1,000 year old jihad on our hands...r

[--zeSto--]

here's a new twist...

In his historical speach on Thursday Sept 20,
W. Bush thanked all the nations who have pledeged
support to this 'war'. Except he forgot to thank
Canada. We're Aussies flying to the US to help clean up?
Were Mexicans pledging their troops?
give your neighbours to the North some credit Mr. President.

[Smart]

if our 'war on terrorism' is half as effective as our 'war on drugs'...

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2 Can Sam

[--zeSto--]

Originally posted by Smart:
if our 'war on terrorism' is half as effective as our 'war on drugs'...



in the war on drugs...
I'd like to surrender.

[imported_iphs]

p-r-e-s-i-d-en-t...yes he holds the title, and has an extreme amount of power and represents us among the world..
....but fuck i didnt vote for him...- all i am saying is that I do not believe he is capable of leading the country and shouldn't be the one speaking for it...

[Lush]

I noticed that he didn't say anything about canada as well. this is twice we've been ignored, and passed over as a good friend of the usa. I think besides him not knowing who our Prime Minister is, he does not know where we are located....

[Ferris Bueller]

my mom said that was probably the best speech she's heard from any president (this means any of the presidents she has WITNESSED say a speech on television).
sure, dubya isnt necessarily the greatest speaker....man's learning the ropes.
aside from that, i think ultimatum is the only thing we can do. it's a 'war' against terrorism, not some war to blow up every islamic country or whatever. i believe the idea of telling the taliban to hand over bin laden or suffer the consequences is how it should be done. we're demanding them to because they are aware of what america can do militarily (word). we are basically negotiating with afganistan anyway...a deal. honestly, some super peace treaty pact thing would be unrealistic. shoot a flower with a bow and arrow. and quit hating on bush, you should always be afraid of anything bad that can happen, prepared, prepared for anything. duh. tired of talking about this shit 24/7

[Mr.LonelyHeart]

Originally posted by Lush:
I noticed that he didn't say anything about canada as well. this is twice we've been ignored, and passed over as a good friend of the usa. I think besides him not knowing who our Prime Minister is, he does not know where we are located....

canada?..isn't that a state?..what's a prime minister?..

haha.. canada still deserves props for kids in the hall

and..let's face it -all our recent presidents have pretty much sucked... camille paglia for prez!

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who's the mac?...

[Remy Martin]

Originally posted by Ferris Bueller:
tired of talking about this shit 24/7

then why did you bother to respond.
im not a fan of this shit either...
i dont like the republican party and hardly trust them..pretty much the same for entire goverment..i have little faith.
now that we have been attacked and they put us at war im sposed to rest assured in their ability to maintian a calm peacfull world.
a month or so ago bush was tramping around europe trying to alter the oldest nuclear treaty, which was kinna stupid if you ask me. this month hes at war with terrorists. we took a loss.
i think he should pay attention to the issues here first.
why not involve some sly strategy...
but what the fuck do i know..i just live here now, and used to live in the middle east..


[This message has been edited by Remy Martin (edited 09-21-2001).]

[serpent of the light]

dubya looks like alf
-303

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[Kr430n5_666]

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[Pistol]

Originally posted by bobobi11:
He wasn't impeached. He faced an impeachment hearing and he was found...I don't want to say innocent...but they ruled that the charged actions did not affect his ability to run the country.

Not that I am saying he was a great president.

Technically he did get impeached. When they had the impeachment hearing, that was "technically" impeachment even if he did'nt get the boot. There's a whole bunch of semantics involved. I just know he's gonna be in the history book right next to Nixon. Oh well.
I saw parts of the GeorgeW speech and thought it was cool. He did'nt really sound too much like a politician which was somewhat refreshing. He did sound angry and rightfully so. I was never a GWB fan or supporter,but I'm starting to not hate him so much now. I think his comment about choosing sides was fair. I think what he wants to get across is that these countries next to Afghanistan can't be like "Oh we wanna be neutral and not get involved". It's like "you roll with us or you roll against us"

[dukeofyork]

when the cats out of the bag about clinton i think hes not going to be anywhere nixon...
hes gonna make nixon look pretty damn good actually.

[dukeofyork]

the holla at the end does it all for me.

[Lush]

Originally posted by MeroSeis:
at least I know he's gonna blow shit up over there and make it even. Holla.



It's never even. Someone always has to have the last word.

[MeroSeis]

Originally posted by Lush:
It's never even. Someone always has to have the last word.

And in war, as in life, the muhfuckas with the most money have the last word. Who got more money? The US, or Afstarvinstan? Contemplate dog.


MEROMAN
TMFUCKTHAT
MLBTKILLAS
ILOVEJUDY

[beardo]

i dont feel like typing out everything on my mind right now. in short, i disagree with you mero.

[dukeofyork]

i agree with mero up to a certain point.
short version: who did this to us should die. those who have nothing to do with it and are as equally appalled should not be harmed in any way. those who justify the attack should be put in the same category as those who did it.

[Lush]

Those who did this had a reason that in their own minds justified the attack. It wasn't random. Also, Having the last word doesn't mean it's even.

[This message has been edited by Lush (edited 09-22-2001).]

[dukeofyork]

ok, then what do you want to tell the families who lost loved ones in this?

[MeroSeis]

Originally posted by dukeofyork:
ok, then what do you want to tell the families who lost loved ones in this?

"Lets make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, who cares if 3 of your uncles and your dad died? Lets keep the peace."

MEROJUANA
BTKAAAAYY
MLBP

[Remy Martin]

did someone say lemonade and blunts???
nahhh...he should just call the world together for peace instead of war..then when hes got everybody all chill..just murder the fuckers that did this a lie about how brutal and unjust we did them..fuck it..kill those fuckers with blunt boxcutters.

[MeroSeis]

GWB

"G" for "gangsta!"

[dukeofyork]

somethin along the lines of we're sorry, but these people are really upset at us because our government and people have been amazingly successful and think we have something personal against them, this is why your (insert title of family member here) died in this attack. we would do something about it but we are afraid that if we attack those who did this someone else might attack again. of course, if we show that we are weak and unwilling to punish those who killed your (repeat title here) more people like (again) quite possibly will die, but we will have to let them go because we dont want to think that our punishing them caused them to attack again.

[Handjob]

Originally posted by --zeSto--:


Except he forgot to thank
Canada. .[/b]


Ya know what? I'm a Canadian, and I'm fucking happy he didn't thank us. Not only do I not want to be involved in war that was most likely provoked by the US anyways, but I don't care who thanks us or not, as long as we helped.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a logical way to end terrorism, but I think people that are all uppity over the fact that we didn't get thanked or called a friend of the US, are losing sight of the fact that innocent people are dead. And for what?

[MUNE]

" aaaaaal we are sayinbg is...."stop the hippie vietnam crap. this isnt the same.
everytime someone says we may go to war all the youth flock to the places where they can quote has beens directed at things that arent relevant.

i watched all thses kids talking about "we shouldnt kill anyone...not even bin laden.. put him in jail....but killing is WRONG. hugs, not guns!"

man fuck that.
i agree that killing is wrong but get this.
bin laden wants you dead.
dont equate bin laden with someone in vietnam.
equate his ass with hitler.
sometimes violence can curb an even bigger violence. im no republican. i hate the damn govornment, but this shit has to end or there are going to be more.
and if you dont stand up for your right to disagree with me on this board, your kids are going to wonder why.

[dukeofyork]

ah yes, the food not bombs crowd...
we've given out more than our share in both, or so id thought.
a lot of people still dont seem to get that binladen doesnt want you to live any longer than he has to let you. even if you are out in the streets protesting screaming at the top of your lungs make love not war, you live in the states and he wants you dead. so keep arguing in his defense, it just may make his job easier if enough people start to agree with you.

[Lush]

Originally posted by dukeofyork:
these people are really upset at us because our government and people have been amazingly successful and think we have something personal against them, this is why your (insert title of family member here) died in this attack. .

No that is not why they attacked your country. Try reading some alternative news sources instead of the mush cnn feeds you. They didn't attack canada and we have the same rights and freedoms as the usa. Canadians are successful, we have lots of money as well, and we were not the target of a terrorist attack. Open your ears and eyes.

I think the people who caused this should be punished, but just because someone kills my mother and father, I do not want some other inocent kids mother and father to die senselessly because of it. I would not feel any sense of justice from the deaths of others.

But I've said all of this before and I'm tired of this, so I'm going to try to make this my last post on the topic of how to get even, and the reson for the attack.

[dukeofyork]

thats pretty sweet there bro...
you can tell me im wrong because of where ive gotten my information, but you cant tell me why it happened can you?
would that happen to be why you dont want to post anymore on this topic?
so until you can bring proof of another reason, what am i supposed to go by?
trusting you that they attacked us for another reason?
why should i put stock in what you say? give me some reasons here.

[dukeofyork]

and when it comes to innocents being killed, you obviously have never been around when a REAL war is being fought. in war there are no innocents, and you want to know why?
cause in a war in a situation like this the people that arent helping the taliban fight us are going to be killed by them, just like if you live in the us the taliban (if they ever get here) will kill you for being a pussy. osama bin laden gives not one fuck if you still are breathing at the end of the day. i dont think innocent people should die, but they do. it happens everyday, and it will continue to happen. if we do nothing about it it will bite us in the ass. i honestly wonder if gw knows what he's getting into sometimes, cause this is a huge task, but if we dont send a message that we wont tolerate for little fucks like osama attacking us it will only get worse. but you can continue to cry make love not war if you want lush...im sure osama will give you a hug...then one of his friends will probably give you the 9 ounce present right between your eyes..

ill bet he even bought the gun and the bullet that his boy gives you too...

[Lush]

Originally posted by dukeofyork:
thats pretty sweet there bro...
you can tell me im wrong because of where ive gotten my information, but you cant tell me why it happened can you?
would that happen to be why you dont want to post anymore on this topic?
so until you can bring proof of another reason, what am i supposed to go by?
trusting you that they attacked us for another reason?
why should i put stock in what you say? give me some reasons here.


ok, I didn't say I'm right, but why didn't they attack canada, switzerland, or any other country? You also cannot tell ME why this happened, but we all have our opinions. I just don't believe the same idea that you do. If George W.Bush hadn't stood up in front of the whole country and said that the USA was attacked because the people who did it didn't like your successes, and freedom would you still think that? Had he said you were attacked because the people who did it didn't like tomatoes and they were grown in the wtc, would you believe that too? Why should you take stock in what ANYBODY says? GWB doesn't even know if it actually was Bin Laden who organized this, but he's the figurehead of the enemy, and someone to blame this on. I don't really want anybody to believe my word, I'd just like them to investigate, and make their own conclusions.

I said I didn't want to type any more on this topic, not because I'm afraid of it and I don't have the resources to back myself up, I said I didn't want to because I've said all this before (just like I stated in my last post, but you most likely skipped over that in your little tantrum). I'm trying to take a neutral viewpoint and look at this from both sides, unfortunately most people are extremely biased and debates like these become stale very quickly. If you're interested in some other opinions check out http://metafilter.com ('http://"http://metafilter.com"') they have a wide variety of opinions and articles in their news links. Oh yes, and I should add that I'm a girl, so the BRO comment doesn't really apply very well.

[Lush]

Originally posted by dukeofyork:
and when it comes to innocents being killed, you obviously have never been around when a REAL war is being fought.


I live in Canada, do you really think I've ever been near a war? Also considering most of the other kids on this board were born in the states I doubt half of them have ever been near a war either.

Originally posted by dukeofyork:

but you can continue to cry make love not war if you want lush...im sure osama will give you a hug...then one of his friends will probably give you the 9 ounce present right between your eyes..



you forget I'm Canadian. Bin laden doesn't seem to want us dead, just the Americans.

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[imported_SHECKY SHENANIGANZ]

its real interesting reading all these 'expert opinions'.
everyone thinks they are an expert on this board, and
the sad thing is, most of you are teenagers with no
life experience and knowledge of said parties involved ie-
afghanistan, pakistan, sudan, iran, iraq.....but you still
can sit back and type out your angsty little judgements
of mr. bush like his job is a walk in the park or you somehow
have the capacity to see the bigger picture and handle the
situation better. the whole thing is so fucking complex, its
real disgusting how alot of you sit here and whip off flippant comments
like you are on the front lines of knowledge in this shit.
please. instead of coming on here every 5 minutes to see
if someone has disagreed with you so you can bust out some
heavy handed bullshit, go dink around the rest of the net and
educate yourselves on middle east nations, the us's foreign
policies over there, and the reason these sentiments of hate
against us are so prevalent and seemingly out of hand.
don't be so quick to spew your elementary judgements until
you have a better handle of this situation and the ramifications
of it.

[Lush]

and what do you think I said in half of my posts exactly? sit down, watch cnn and donate your thoughts to the government? This has all been said before.

oh , another interesting article. http://www.newyorker.com/FROM_THE_ARCHIVE/...924fr_archive05 ('http://"http://www.newyorker.com/FROM_THE_ARCHIVE/ARCHIVES/?010924fr_archive05"')

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[MeroSeis]

well what did you expect the muthafucka to say? "My fellow americans, some middle eastern terrorists killed thousands of people and destroyed lives, but fuckit, lets go make some lemonade and roll a blunt" Of course he's gonna go to war, it's logical, if some nigga smacks you in the face, you smack him harder so he wont play himself and smack you no more, you dont stand there and wait for homeboy to smack you again. Sure niggaz are gonna die but thats the way shit is son, What else is he gonna do but amp his peoples up like "Yo fuck that we takin it to these muthafuckas". You gotta defend your fuckin country, and I'm not no patriotic nigga either, its just true. If he doesn't hold shit down, more terrorists are gonna get a big box of tennis balls or lighters or kittens, and hijack more planes with them, and blow more shit up, its gonna be like a weekend event "A NEW EPISODE OF FRIENDS! RIGHT AFTER THE HABIBS CRASH A 747 FULL OF NEWBORNS INTO THE WHITE HOUSE!!" Come on nigga, GW aint scare me, at least I know he's gonna blow shit up over there and make it even. Holla.

MERO ONE
LA MOBBB
MLBTKRISP

[dukeofyork]

mero strikes again...

[beardo]

spoken like only mero can speak it. holla'n

[imported_SHECKY SHENANIGANZ]

Originally posted by cmeup:
USA NIGGUH WHUT!?!?!!?
ibtease-elementary minded thug wannabe


instead of asking people why this and that, go read some international
papers at the library. or go to some news links. read up.
you can't fathom why, this shows how uninformed you are. these people are not 'stupid fucks'. some of the people involved
in the actual suicide flights were engineers etc.
again, not dummies. is their view of the world skewed? yes. there is a reason why people do things, and things that are this extreme deserve a shit load of critical thought, information processing, education and understanding. on the tube there is some good shit too. cnn has been airing a documentary on afghanistan and the talibans rule. its called beyond the veil. watch it. you get tlc? they've been airing and repeating a 2hr documentary on 'understanding the enemy'. watch it. cbc has also been airing a documentary on the islamic world, the different groups and interpretations, the why's so many people in the middle east are happy about this etc. watch it. learn. to see this with clear vision you need to try understand the politics of the middle east. its fucked up this happened, and i'm in no way defending anything but the pursuit of knowledge.

[dukeofyork]

ok then lush, so you dont live in america, and no one is trying to get at you, so you dont seem to be a part of this.
so why dont you sit down and shut up then.
your opinion doesnt matter in this case..
and on top of that you arent helping.
youre right, ive never been around when a war was fought, but what ive heard from my father and his friends, i would rather go to war and not live than have to listen to other people talking about how they served their country while i was at home working at some laymans job..
your talking about the army and serving the military when drafted as you have been seriously disrespects everyone who has died in this country for those of us still alive.

oh, and im still waiting for you to tell me why all this happened..

this is just like everyone pissin and moanin about the system being fucked up..everyone wants to bitch about shit but they dont know what the fuck then can do about it to change it..

if that doesnt make sense for you, heres an interpretation for you lush.
you want to say that this isnt about america being a capitalist state that supports its allies without asking for anything in return (we rebuilt japan and half of germany after WWII) then what is it about? you dont know so shut your mouth.

[imported_SHECKY SHENANIGANZ]

Originally posted by dukeofyork:
ok then lush, so you dont live in america, and no one is trying to get at you, so you dont seem to be a part of this.
so why dont you sit down and shut up then.
your opinion doesnt matter in this case..
and on top of that you arent helping.
youre right, ive never been around when a war was fought, but what ive heard from my father and his friends, i would rather go to war and not live than have to listen to other people talking about how they served their country while i was at home working at some laymans job..
your talking about the army and serving the military when drafted as you have been seriously disrespects everyone who has died in this country for those of us still alive.

oh, and im still waiting for you to tell me why all this happened..

this is just like everyone pissin and moanin about the system being fucked up..everyone wants to bitch about shit but they dont know what the fuck then can do about it to change it..

if that doesnt make sense for you, heres an interpretation for you lush.
you want to say that this isnt about america being a capitalist state that supports its allies without asking for anything in return (we rebuilt japan and half of germany after WWII) then what is it about? you dont know so shut your mouth.

chill bitch. quit talking like you're king shit, this whole thing is a big tree with alot of branches. telling lush to shut up is really defeating the purpose of this place.... you probably don't know shit either, and you most definitely don't have any more right to talk about this then johnny appleseed from zim-fockin'-babwe, so chill guy.............
lush's opinions are just as valid as anyone's, and just becuz he/she can't/hasn't articulated her opinions and reasons fully, and is asking questions and whatnot that you don't like doesn't mean her ops 'don't matter in this case'.
alot of people don't know what to do about this world becuz it is fucked up beyond belief. you don't have answers. nor do i. does that mean we should stop bitchin' and discussing it? no. there are many schools of thought on what just happened, what has been happening and any and everything to do with the draft and war. quit trying to smother these avenues of thought.

[dukeofyork]

im telling him to shut up unless he has some information instead of just saying that we had this coming.
if he has something to say that brings something new to light, i want to hear it, but if he doesnt, i dont.
perhaps i was too long winded before.

[imported_SHECKY SHENANIGANZ]

i don't understand your problem...
lush said you(america) had it comin' from what you say.......
what...that doesn't jive with what you want to believe?
get real. shit was bound to come one day. you talk about
all this shit that we've done to help out other countries.
fine. thats a whole other discussion in a sense.
this is about our relations with the middle east.
you should know the backround of this.
or are you saying she said america deserved this...?
well...no, they didn't. but...to me it seems glaringly apparent
that this event has really awoken people in america and any
other free countries..so in a sense, even though its an awful thing,
and its really fucking tragic that this is what had to happen for everyone
to sit up and take notice, it was needed, as fucked up as that sounds. now we all know these dudes aren't playin', people are dead serious about things, the middle east is fed up with the way things are going, and its time to figure out and handle our foreign policies alot differently and forge some new understandings of how we can live and prosper together as a human race. don't get me wrong, the pieces of shit that did this need to pay...but...you are now going to see a whole different approach because of this event. the US can no longer keep acting they way they have been, this should be obvious.

[Lush]

To Duke of York:
1) I'M A GIRL, had you actually read my posts you would have read that a few times already.

2) I don't pretend to know why this happened, but I have a pretty good idea why it didn't happen. I have posted many times on why I believe this happened, and it's in quite a few threads. I also added the links because I didn't feel like re-typing all the information contained in them and they are probably writen better than I could have written it.

3)I'm trying to have an open mind, and an intelligent conversation, but you keep typing the same thing over and over. All the information you keep demanding from me is contained in my posts. Try reading the carefully, and try not to make assumptions because every time you've done that they haven't related to anything I've written. I NEVER said the USA had it coming, I NEVER said they deserved it, and I NEVER put down the soldiers that have previously fought in wars. REMEMBER that Canada participated in both world wars, most of my immediate family is in/has been in the military and I respect that.

I'm not making crazy assumptions about you, so please stop making them about me. Most of what you typed really had no real bearing on what I typed.

[Lush]

Originally posted by dukeofyork:
im telling him to shut up unless he has some information instead of just saying that we had this coming.


ONCE AGAIN, FOR THE LAST AND FINAL TIME- I NEVER SAID THAT!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU CAN QUOTE ONE OF MY POSTS THAT I'VE FORGOTTEN, THEN OK. BUT UNTILL THEN STOP MAKING THINGS UP FOR CHRISTS SAKE! IT'S GETTING REALLY ANNOYING!!!!!