Art Crimes tips.. & fat caps?

[justjedd]

Sorry, I couldn't decide if this belonged here or in the yard.. I'm sure the 12oz boys won't like the subject anywhoo.

So, did anyone else see that ArtCrimes started selling caps? It seems (to me) that they have fair prices. I usually get caps for free off of friends.. *SHRUGS* Check it out :

http://www.artcrimes.com/wam/index.html

On that note.. it's cool that they tell you which cans they work on (a first I've seen) but I wish they said the differences in flow or what have you. Can someone here tell me, of the fat caps on there, which are the best (or, biggest I should say)? Does anyone know where else to get REALLY bib tips? Like the kind they use in DirtyHands to pull off those whole cars..

-> Jedd

[AREANKAY]

there caps arent that cheap $14 for 50 of the german jumbo caps and and all the other german caps other sites have the sames caps for $9 for 50

[24HOURS]

Those are Fair prices.

[Remy Martin]

plus that site is the core of the internet graffiti culture. its a incredible service done and Susan and Bret are super cool. So help em out and pay their prices.
and if you need european caps that bad, chances are your either stocked in european paint or in europe..soft balls, rustos, and phantoms is all you need.

[Seek One]

those are some of the better prices i've seen in a while maybe not for the germans but the NY's especially

[imported_CATS]

Survey Says....
No one cares, we all asses and will get our caps when and however we please. Should have posted this under one of the three hundred threads for caps. someone give this the boot.:cool:

[Remy Martin]

fuck that, artcrimes deserves the profit.

[wakassOATH]

thats true art crimes does deserve it
i also like how they seel them in 500s usally when i buy caps i want to get some freinds in on it 100 is too little and 1000 are too much

[imported_EyEdEa]

support www.X2project.com (http://www.X2project.com)
and www.Beatbreaks.com (http://www.Beatbreaks.com)
for caps and supplies

[justjedd]

The reason why I posted this here was because, I as well, feel that Susan and Brett are extremely important people (in the world of net graffiti at least). I've never met them, but I have spoken with Susan online before and they seem like very decent, deserving people. This doesn't mean that they are the ONLY ones that deserve it tho.. I don't know anything about any of the other companies selling tips.

Also, I posted a separate topic because I wanted to know about Fat tips and especially those sold on AC.

It seems like there is a lot of misunderstanding on the internet these days... *sighs*

-> Jedd

[imported_d struk]

i get 100 for 10$ thats factory direct no fuckin around.

[cdz]

get caps from beatbreaks.com they have the best prices i've found over the net. props to artcrimes for the descriptions. most sites dont get into it that much.
-cdz $0.02

[Susan]

The facts:

* Art Crimes is selling caps finally, and we're doing it as cheaply as we can and still make a buck.

* We're doing this because we are desperate to keep our site online, along with the 50 other sites we host on graffiti.org

* It costs us about $700 per month to pay for the bandwidth we use, at wholesale rate.

* I've been paying that money out of my own pocket for a long long time. I can't do that forever, so AC needs to be self-supporting soon.

So we really need your support to keep doing what we do. No offense to the other sites who sell caps, but we think we offer more to the graffiti community than most sites do, and we've been doing it for 7 years at great cost to ourselves in terms of time and money.

If you want to see us stay online, along with sites like Daim, Lokiss, the site formerly known as Digital Jungle (Location 12), Eyegasm, Seak, Neck, Sins, Wow123, Escape Melbourne, Giant, etc etc, then please vote with your cap dollars.

We'll have some variety packs soon so you can try out all the kinds.

Thank you!

Susan
Art Crimes
http://www.graffiti.org/wam

[Smart]

word

[cdz]

word to susan. everyone should really think about what she said. she offers a lot to the graff community online.
-cdz $0.02

[donniefrisco]

i ordered caps from Artcrimes, and they came really quick...less than a week...

[Dusty Lipschitz]

some mod needs to throw this on the post-it note status and sticky this jawn...

[fr8oholic]

OFFER MORE CREDIT CARDS!!!

i'd love to spend my money with you guys but you dont take amex.

[Susan]

Hmm. I didn't even know we don't take AmEx, because we use PayPal and can only accept what they accept. I have no clue why they don't, because they don't say. I know AmEx has been nasty to merchants for the last several years though, and I stopped using my AmEx card simply because it was being accepted less and less and it charged me more and more.

The good news is that you don't have to have a credit card at all to use PayPal. You can use your checking account or your ATM/debit card ("check card").

When it is simply impossible to do it any other way (for instance you are in a country that PayPal doesn't support or you have AmEx card only) we can accept payment in the form of an amazon.com gift certificate instead of cash. Drop me a line at winsom@graffiti.org if you want to arrange to do that. Tell me what you want to buy and I'll explain the process. It's easy.

Thanks again for your support, moral and otherwise.

Peace,

Susan

[imported_stratodab]

man! that's a lot of euro caps! the can descriptions are a teriffic idea, but descriptions would be nice too.

what's the diff in line quality between german outlines, grey blackdots and bluedots? does the paint flow modulate the same?

similarly, how are orangedots and pinkdots different?

justjedd- the biggest cap i've used is a carborator cleaner cap. i believe it's just normal cap without the face inserted, but since i've never pulled the face out of a stock cap i dont really know. i do know that they put out a LOT of paint but it's not a very tight flow (obviously) and it's also the loudest of any cap ive heard. one can blow through cans so fast using those...

alright i'm out to liberate some rusto&krylon from their respective containers. peace kids.

[boogie hands]

orange dots are fats...pink dots are wicked fats...

[fr8oholic]

this should be stickied twice.

please show your support for the grandpappy of all graff sites.

[Susan]

Cap info:

I'm buildin a FAQ now. Here's what we've got so far. It doesn't cover all permutations, so please feel free to send me some more facts. I'll try to find out more about blues and greys in the coming weeks, then post the FAQ on Art Crimes.

Comparison as follows:
(cans held at a distance of 6" from surface)

Krylon:
German fatcap: Approx: 3 1/2" in diameter
Orangedot fatcap: Approx: 5 1/2" in diameter
Pinkdot fatcap: Approx: 6" in diameter

Belton:
German fatcap: Approx: 2 1/2" in diameter
Orangedot fatcap: Approx: 4" in in diameter
Pinkdot fatcap: Approx: 4" in in diameter

Montana:
German fatcap: Approx: 4" in diameter
Orangedot fatcap: Approx: 5" in in diameter
Pinkdot fatcap: Approx: 7" in in diameter

Rust-Oleum: (# The following caps are NOT recommended for use on Rust-Oleum as bleeding occurs. We recommend the "Rust-o" fatcap)

German fatcap: Approx: 2 1/2" in diameter
Orangedot fatcap: Approx: 3" in in diameter
Pinkdot fatcap: Approx: 3" in in diameter


Thin, thinner, what's the best?

The greydots are thinner than the German Outlines. But they may block faster because they are thinner..It is always best to turn the can up side down after use and spray until their is no paint left and just the gas is coming out.

Grey blackdots are mainly used for outlines. They are also excellent for fading colors. They have a soft spray. If you want to be really tricky, you can use them to get a spatterly finer line. A technique used for painting characters in Europe and Australia.


Compatibility?

The cap that is most comparable to the Montana paint is the " German Outline (N150)" It should be noted that Montana do use different caps on their cans from time to time.. Whereas the Beltons come with the same stock cap each time.

--

Thank you!

Susan

[Dusty Lipschitz]

sue & brett:
if there was a lifetime acheivement award for graffiti, i would nominate the two of you

in fact, fuck it.
im nominating you anyways
:)


thanks
peace

~Dee El

[23578]

i'll second that nomination, can we have a vote?

[whatajerk]

I'm not sure if you thought of other ways to make money to keep the site up.
With as many Unique Vistors a week that you are getting you might be able to do the following:
1. get companies to sponsor sections of your site. (with the right person on the phone you might be able to find such companies: PlayStation, Record labels, Skate/SnowBoard Companies, etc..)

2. You can also try to get people to pay for content via www.paythrough.com (http://www.paythrough.com) membership fee.
3. Instead of using PayPal you can also look into Paythrough for help with that which is an easy way to sell product online without the hassel of doing it yourself.

4. Even tho you are trying to sell caps to make money to keep the site alive you should look into what will the BEST price be for your product so that your vistors will not go somewhere else to buy them.

5. You can start posting Surveys/ polls which are very vaulable.

6. Make it more of a Community where you can track all your vistors. (More then just posting photos)

Maybe I didn't say anything that you dont already know but we can chat off-line sometime.

--I ran some stats on your site for one week.These will be different from your stats that you have on your server. These stats are from 8million online users.

Week of 09/30/2001
you had 11,603 Unique Vistors a 2.89% growth from the week before which you had 11,277
Unique Vistors.

with 407,591 Page Views which was a a 90.05% growth from the week before which you had 214,591 Page Views.

Your adverage Stay Per Session on this week was 00:12:29 which was a 63.53% growth from the week before witch was 00:07:38.

For that same week your top (5) Pages on your site are:

1) www.graffiti.org/index/usa.html (http://www.graffiti.org/index/usa.html)
Page Views: 28,181

2) www.graffiti.org (http://www.graffiti.org)
Page Views: 21,511

3) www.graffiti.org/brighton/writers.html (http://www.graffiti.org/brighton/writers.html)
Page Views: 13,910

4) www.graffiti.org/brighton/pase/pase.html (http://www.graffiti.org/brighton/pase/pase.html)
Page Views: 9,935

5) www.graffiti.org/daim/ces.html (http://www.graffiti.org/daim/ces.html)
Page Views: 7,846

By looking at a visual representation of where people are clicking on your homepage--14.34% are clicking on Photos & Images USA ( I can email you a screen shot)



I also ran a report on HiFiArt.com

Week of 09/30/2001
They had 1,940 Unique Vistors a 12.65% growth from the week before which you had 1,722 Unique Vistors.

with 181,765 Page Views which was a a 56.71% growth from the week before which you had 115,981 Page Views.

Your adverage Stay Per Session on this week was 00:12:31 which was a -30.39% minus in growth from the week before witch was 00:17:59.

For that same week your top (5) Pages on your site are:

1) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi (http://www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi)
Page Views: 44,009

2) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/ultimate.cgi (http://www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/ultimate.cgi)
Page Views: 13,131

3) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/postings.cgi (http://www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/postings.cgi)
Page Views: 10,991

4) www.hifiart.com/drawings/index.html (http://www.hifiart.com/drawings/index.html)
Page Views: 5,785

5) www.hifiart.com/murals/sf_74.html (http://www.hifiart.com/murals/sf_74.html)
Page Views: 3,645

[AgresWFO]

You'll never guess who distributes the Art Crimes cap orders to the entire world.....

[17reasonswhy]

Originally posted by whatajerk

Week of 09/30/2001
you had 11,603 Unique Vistors a 2.89% growth from the week before which you had 11,277
Unique Vistors.

with 407,591 Page Views which was a a 90.05% growth from the week before which you had 214,591 Page Views.

Your adverage Stay Per Session on this week was 00:12:29 which was a 63.53% growth from the week before witch was 00:07:38.

For that same week your top (5) Pages on your site are:

1) www.graffiti.org/index/usa.html (http://www.graffiti.org/index/usa.html)
Page Views: 28,181

2) www.graffiti.org (http://www.graffiti.org)
Page Views: 21,511

3) www.graffiti.org/brighton/writers.html (http://www.graffiti.org/brighton/writers.html)
Page Views: 13,910

4) www.graffiti.org/brighton/pase/pase.html (http://www.graffiti.org/brighton/pase/pase.html)
Page Views: 9,935

5) www.graffiti.org/daim/ces.html (http://www.graffiti.org/daim/ces.html)
Page Views: 7,846

By looking at a visual representation of where people are clicking on your homepage--14.34% are clicking on Photos & Images USA ( I can email you a screen shot)



I also ran a report on HiFiArt.com

Week of 09/30/2001
They had 1,940 Unique Vistors a 12.65% growth from the week before which you had 1,722 Unique Vistors.

with 181,765 Page Views which was a a 56.71% growth from the week before which you had 115,981 Page Views.

Your adverage Stay Per Session on this week was 00:12:31 which was a -30.39% minus in growth from the week before witch was 00:17:59.

For that same week your top (5) Pages on your site are:

1) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi (http://www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi)
Page Views: 44,009

2) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/ultimate.cgi (http://www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/ultimate.cgi)
Page Views: 13,131

3) www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/postings.cgi (http://www.hifiart.com/cgi-bin/postings.cgi)
Page Views: 10,991

4) www.hifiart.com/drawings/index.html (http://www.hifiart.com/drawings/index.html)
Page Views: 5,785

5) www.hifiart.com/murals/sf_74.html (http://www.hifiart.com/murals/sf_74.html)
Page Views: 3,645 [/B]



these numbers are perfect.......what are you using to pull them.....and what is your final assessment of them?....that artcrimes should be selling caps at wholsesale prices and allowing advertisiers to pay for the space that Susan and Brett maintain? If so i agree with you...the problem that i see is that many advertisers would be less than willing to sponsor something that has any leagality issues....I am not saying that Artcrimes does not have every legal right to post anything they want, but advertising is a business of association and most companies that can do some substantial spends online will want to have content that is less questionable....I repeat "I am not saying that Artcrimes does not have every legal right to post anything they want"......but if you are able to find a company that has money to spend toward an online campaign and is in agreeance with what artcrimes offers to the world then let susan know......Most of us afficianados of the internet know a worthy and enduring site when we see one...and i believe that artcrimes is in it for the long haul......so it might as well make some loot in the process...otherwise it will go belly up or get gobbled up by a larger fish..................Personally i just always want to see the presence of grafflife online....by whatever means necessary

[justjedd]

You know.. I agree with you, but you gotta think about it man. Look at all the pretty and colorful zines @ Tower records. They have a ton of ads in em. Not that I think AC should get a ton of ads.. but if they just made spots for like, 1 ad a page, I wouldn't mind! And yea, those magazines are mostly foreign, where graffiti seems to be a little more okay with the people.. but AC is MORE then foreign! It covers ALL the world and every country! I'm sure they could get at least some advertising doh if they wanted.

My .02
-> Jedd

[whatajerk]

IT's all about who is on the them talking to advertisers. Trust me they Sponsor more then you know! there are a lot of ways for them to get a message out to people. It's just dont try to go the Banner Ad direction it will not work!

[17reasonswhy]

Originally posted by whatajerk
IT's all about who is on the them talking to advertisers. Trust me they Sponsor more then you know! there are a lot of ways for them to get a message out to people. It's just dont try to go the Banner Ad direction it will not work!


banner ads do work........Trust me on this....right now my whole life is banner ads.......if they just stuck with the 468x60's and maybe some 125x125 then they would be fine......no popups or popunders or superstitials , which are those big ol 336x280's...then they would do fine without sacrificing any of the great untainted by ads content they currently have.......although i used to see a lot of inhouse ads on the site that certainly did not detract from the holistic approach that artcrimes employs.......personally i think they should allow even one advertiser a month and that would more than pay for site maintainance fees.........shit i would even be their ad director if the gig ever evolved....Susan are you reading this? shameless huh?;) ;) ;) ;)

[whatajerk]

Banner ads do not work like they use to well i really dont think they EVER worked. If your a small site (no overhead) then any little amount you get from banners is great! It's a problem when you have a large overhead(like Art Crimes) Banners don't cut it. More and more advertisers are getting away from wasting there money on banners and they are starting to think about other ways to bring in $$$. Which is why you will start to see more and more sites charging for content. Via Qpass and Paythrough.

Audit Bureau of Circulations which tracks Print Publications anounced this past July, that newspaper publishers are permitted to report CD-ROM and e-mail edition circulation to schools and universities based upon the number of user licenses sold and not the actual number of physical “copies” distributed.

So now they can benifit more by charging for content online then before. It's all counted for circulation.

read more about this here:
Link (http://www.accessabc.com/press1/0801_bactions9.htm)

Most companies have a large marketing budget(unless your a DOT.COM) They will spend the money if they know that it's a target age group.

[17reasonswhy]

what it really depends on is the CPM (Cost per 1000) that art crimes establishes.....this may be new territory from them but the practice of making money by selling ad space is well established........according to the numbers that you supplied before, one could say that they are getting 44,000 uniques a month and have 1,628,000 page views per month....that is based on the week of 9/30 numbers you supplied earlier, give or take a few. Now if you consider that the industry average according to Jupiter reporting is a CPM (Cost Per 1000) of $20 per 1000 banner ads. Now ArtCrimes could very easily have it set up so that each page view rotates in another advertiser....lets just say that they have three advertisers month......now if they sold 100,000 impressions to each advertiser that would equal 300,000 impressions, an impression is equal to a page view......that comes out to $6000 a month...... ( 20 / 1000 x 30000)....this is the formula by which all media buys are established............and we are talking that artcrimes has 1,628,000 potential page views a month........lets do that formula again........ ( 20 / 1000 x 1628000 = $32560......now that covers overhead but then again that would only be in a perfect world where all the inventory was sold........now if we figure in optin emails ..of which i am sure artcrimes has plenty and if we sold those ...the final amounts would be very high and profit generative.....not to mention that we can include more advertisers than 3.......all of this could be accomplished with 468x60's and optins ......the standard banner....... i promise you this works....many of the clients i work on generate thousands of leads this way every month.........sheesh it's just a thought......but this is a great topic to discuss.....

[whatajerk]

17reasonswhy.....
"Now if you consider that the industry average according to Jupiter reporting is a CPM (Cost Per 1000) of $20 per 1000 banner ads."

Sorry if you believe that for one second your living a fairy tale. Maybe 2 years ago if you looked at Yahoo's Rate Card it would have been in the teens. BUT NO ONE EVER PAYS RATE CARD. For the year 2001 the average is $3.00 per CPM. So thats why you might of noticed alot of DOT.Com's shutting down! Thinking about Content sites...ummmm think about this.. Hookt.com is gone(the store is up only) Platform.net, A.K.A., all gone.....I could name off a lot more content sites just in the hip-hop market.
Don't get e wrong if you are running a site out of your bed room and your doing it for fun! Hell any little helps. If your a site that has a large or somewhat large overhead you have a large battle in front of you if you think you will make money from Banners.

17reasonswhy...I'm not trying to argue this point with you...I'm just saying that things have changed over the years and more and more companies are thinking of other ways to make $$$$ Banners are not on many peoples minds anymore!!!! That way is looooooong gone!

example of a site that does something different to make money.
Now look at GoTo.com (overture.com new name) they are making money! a lot of money. They charge for placement in a serch and you ONLY have to pay if someone clicks on your link.



PEACE!

[17reasonswhy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by whatajerk
[B]17reasonswhy.....
"Now if you consider that the industry average according to Jupiter reporting is a CPM (Cost Per 1000) of $20 per 1000 banner ads."

Sorry if you believe that for one second your living a fairy tale.

""""the thing is this...the $20 CPM i was referring to is just a reference number so that people could see how the monkey math works.....I agree with you that CPM 's across the board are much lower for niche/vertical sites, and i also agree with you that banners are not the the answer for making tons of money on the web.....but for a site like artcrimes it could be a start.....i would assume that they have a managed database of people that visit the site....that is a list that can be brokered out...also newsletters that could very simply be created if they are not already employed...i really don't know....but that is another place for people to throw and HTML or text ad...i would also assume that other ad units could be used in place of the 468x60.....click through rates of 1% have been reported to me in the last week for 336x280's and this is well above average............one last thing....i know of many sites/vendors that do indeed charge within a range $15 to $25 CPM to do ROS banner ads.....this is post negotiated with many added bonus impressions and optins and nwsletters and special sponsorships etc........ It does happen all the time......now i am not advocating that artcrimes sell its soul to being generating profit...they may already and we have no idea......but it would be possible for them to initiate something like this as a beta test to further ad possibilities





Maybe 2 years ago if you looked at Yahoo's Rate Card it would have been in the teens. BUT NO ONE EVER PAYS RATE CARD. For the year 2001 the average is $3.00 per CPM. So thats why you might of noticed alot of DOT.Com's shutting down! Thinking about Content sites...ummmm think about this.. Hookt.com is gone(the store is up only) Platform.net, A.K.A., all gone.....I could name off a lot more content sites just in the hip-hop market.
Don't get e wrong if you are running a site out of your bed room and your doing it for fun! Hell any little helps. If your a site that has a large or somewhat large overhead you have a large battle in front of you if you think you will make money from Banners.


""""Like i said before...no comapny can excpect to make mad loot from using banners, but an integrated front of multiple ad opportunities can certainly work...especially for a niche site like artcrimes""""



Banners are not on many peoples minds anymore!!!! That way is looooooong gone!



"""" they are still an effective branding tool and if a promotional offer is included then any company can see results"""""

example of a site that does something different to make money.
Now look at GoTo.com (overture.com new name) they are making money! a lot of money. They charge for placement in a serch and you ONLY have to pay if someone clicks on your link.


""""google.com is making tons of monay on selective forms of advertising...check out Wired magazins September issue for a full story of how the old system of banners and ad units united with new and more direct approaches are generating revenue.......a solid ROI is going to evolve if given the right approach...."""" food for thought........


advertising sucks..........but branding is vital in this world economy.........artcrimes stands to use its established presence to cover all overhead and generate profit it it embraces just the right combination of elements........i find it hard to beleive that they do not already havr something in place.....potentially it just needs to be refined.....but that $700 per month charge susan was talking about could certainly be eliminated if they adopted even a meager progrma of soliciting advertisers like adidas, technics, enyce, ecko....etc.......

[NonShalon]

hmmm geeks?

[17reasonswhy]

Originally posted by NonShalon
hmmm geeks?


the biggest and baddest geek in the bay........hey whatajerk wanna play tetris?...i bet i could kick yer ass boyyeeeeee......sheesh........long live the 18th reason

[whatajerk]

17reasonswhy....tetris? Hellyeah! you will have a battle on your hands! :cool: We should chat sometime.....we would have fun with this CPM topic with me and everyone I work with.

Google is doing great! I love Google it's the ONLY search site i use for everything from Images and Groups to sites..
but they are not making no way near as much money as GoTo.. I must tell you that I'm bais... We started GoTo.com as well as: Etoys.com, New.Net, FirstLook.com, NetZero.com, Spun.com, CitySearch.com, CardDirect.com, HomesDirect.com, Paytrust.com, Tickets.com, Intranets.com, Petsmart.com, PeopleLink.com, to name a few.......

Also you asked me where I ran the reports from....
www.compete.com (http://www.compete.com) it's another company we started. :) Compete is a VERY pricey service....about 100k a year..ouch!

It's great to chat with someone that knows about whats going on....

Peace

and lets talk about graff now :)

PEACE

[Susan]

We've sold banners to some community biz for flat rate. We'd be glad to discusss some sane banner program on targeted index pages. Not every page, not site-wide. We don't have time to be advertising sales people too, which is the reason we don't have an ongoing thing.

And just to keep the record straight, we don't have a database for user info. We would not sell, rent, trade, give visitor personal information to anyone. We don't do tracking or cookies or release anything that might compromise the privacy of our vistors. That's been policy since day one.

And those numbers are way low

We'll talk about this in email, OK? Thanks for the constructive ideas.

Susan

[whatajerk]

Like I said in my first post the numbers will be different then what you get from your servers. These numbers are from Click streams of 8 Million people. Not saying that a big % are your target audience. It was to show an example ONLY.

[taper]

steal em. its free. what a concept

[NonShalon]

Originally posted by AgresWFO
You'll never guess who distributes the Art Crimes cap orders to the entire world.....

Let me guess.. 12ozprophet? 7th heaven packs the orders and sends them out.

And then they get the caps from xylene, who probably get them from roger boy at wyws.


...that was hard. I bet your going to try and say I am wrong.

[17reasonswhy]

and lets talk about graff now :)

PEACE [/B][/QUOTE]



i second that.....gotdam homey.....so what if i created a virus whose purpose was to tag every monitor of every computer in the world......what i am talking about is not a literal tag with a marker but a nice clean tag that would pop up on every monitors desktop in the right hand corner and stay there no matter what someone did for 24 hours..it would work off of the email in the computers desktop and selfreplicate to every address there..........I am working on it right now and just remember that you heard it here first......................................... that is advertising.. now go back to reading other people thoughts... sheesh

[whatajerk]

17reasons..... That would be the shit!

[Pistol]

I just wanted to let everyone know that I was very pleased with the service at http://www.artcrimes.com I ordered some German Grey dot outlines(superskinny) and the German grey black dots. I got those bad boys in less than a week. Thats pretty good considering the tips came from Australia with this whole anthrax scare. I had ordered the wrong tips by accident cause I was sleepy and it was late at night/early morning. I realized and sent them an e-mail explaining the situation. They promtly sent me a e-mail saying "no problem, everything is straight now". And I got the correct tips. It was rather refreshing to get service and a response so fast. Many companies will not reply once they have your money. Tough luck your mistake to the consumer. Not http://www.artcrimes.com So I just wanted to let people know how reliable the service was. I hope I don't come off sounding like I work for them. Although I do have a little problem. I ordered the German Grey with the black dots. When they got here I noticed that they were slightly different in appearence to the ones I had bought previously from Workmens(End to End). I just thought it was looks. But when I tried it out the spray was not the same as the workmens. The artcrimes tip worked similar to a NY Fat rather than a outline. I used a brand new cap from both stores on the same can to make sure. The artcrimes one againd sprayed out fat. I tried to just hold it closer to the surface but the tip was letting out too much pressure and caused overspray and drips. The top of the artcrimes german had a triangle figure similar to the German fats and jumbos. While the German outline from workmens had an Arrow. The cap from artcrimes should be bought if you are looking for a NY Fat style rather than a German outline.
Anyone else have this problem?Maybe just me.
Those white gray dots are pure buttah. They spray just like a airbrush. Thiinnn. Very NICE!

[Susan]

Thanks! On our catalog, I've just removed Krylon as a compatible can for grey blackdots since they give an unexpected result (fatness). I have been told thay work as great outline caps on OSH paint (Orchard Supply Hardware) though.

Pistol, if you would rather have a different tip, email me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks for the consumer report too. We aim to please.

Susan

[Pistol]

Originally posted by AgresWFO
You'll never guess who distributes the Art Crimes cap orders to the entire world.....
Not that it matters. But I'm bored. My guess would be dahub because both are shipped out of Australia and both have those Germans with the Blue dot which I have never seen anywhere else.

[fr8oholic]

i just got my order in and susan went above and beyond the call of dury to get the payment all set for me. artcrimes rocks...

[ARK*M]

Susan:

Are you guys going to be able to accept cash payments for mail orders any time soon?:huh?:

[Susan]

I don't see how we can, unfortunately. What with all the mail getting anthraxed and all, it's a bad time to send cash anyway.

[cdz]

Originally posted by 17reasonswhy
and lets talk about graff now :)

PEACE



i second that.....gotdam homey.....so what if i created a virus whose purpose was to tag every monitor of every computer in the world......what i am talking about is not a literal tag with a marker but a nice clean tag that would pop up on every monitors desktop in the right hand corner and stay there no matter what someone did for 24 hours..it would work off of the email in the computers desktop and selfreplicate to every address there..........I am working on it right now and just remember that you heard it here first......................................... that is advertising.. now go back to reading other people thoughts... sheesh [/B][/QUOTE]
i would really like to see this happen. im looking forward to it.
-cdz $0.02

[tue skinny]

caps are good .

[17reasonswhy]

Originally posted by cdz




i second that.....gotdam homey.....so what if i created a virus whose purpose was to tag every monitor of every computer in the world......what i am talking about is not a literal tag with a marker but a nice clean tag that would pop up on every monitors desktop in the right hand corner and stay there no matter what someone did for 24 hours..it would work off of the email in the computers desktop and selfreplicate to every address there..........I am working on it right now and just remember that you heard it here first......................................... that is advertising.. now go back to reading other people thoughts... sheesh
i would really like to see this happen. im looking forward to it.
-cdz $0.02 [/B][/QUOTE]


all in time my friend.....

[Pone156tfo]

While your were Sleepin has got some good prices
however one usually gets caps from his or her boys.

[-alt-]

beatbreaks killed me on shipping. i ordered 200 caps (NY thins and fats) at a total cost of $16 US ... the shipping to canada that they charged me was $13... (i've ordered caps from e-bay and the shipping from california was only $3.15) on top of that, when i received the caps at my door, there was a COD added on top of all of this for $16.50 CAN for brokerage fees and taxes at the border.
in total i paid about $39 US ($62.61 CAN) for only 200 caps... i guess if i ordered a much larger quantity then the shipping would be a smaller fraction of the total cost...

i'm not trying to bash beatbreaks, (there was nothing wrong with the caps), and i appreciate their service to the global hip hop scene.
This is just a warning to buyers. don't forget about the shipping. $8 sounds like a very good price for caps. shipping is death.

[Pone156tfo]

Originally posted by -alt-
beatbreaks killed me on shipping. i ordered 200 caps (NY thins and fats) at a total cost of $16 US ... the shipping to canada that they charged me was $13... (i've ordered caps from e-bay and the shipping from california was only $3.15) on top of that, when i received the caps at my door, there was a COD added on top of all of this for $16.50 CAN for brokerage fees and taxes at the border.
in total i paid about $39 US ($62.61 CAN) for only 200 caps... i guess if i ordered a much larger quantity then the shipping would be a smaller fraction of the total cost...

i'm not trying to bash beatbreaks, (there was nothing wrong with the caps), and i appreciate their service to the global hip hop scene.
This is just a warning to buyers. don't forget about the shipping. $8 sounds like a very good price for caps. shipping is death.

Not to bash your great country but Canada sucks big wads when it comes to shipping costs. But you probably know that already.

Peace

[-alt-]

shipping's not a problem within canada though... it's just those friendly people at the border.

[Pistol]

Originally posted by -alt-
beatbreaks killed me on shipping. i ordered 200 caps (NY thins and fats) at a total cost of $16 US ... the shipping to canada that they charged me was $13... (i've ordered caps from e-bay and the shipping from california was only $3.15.
Hell yeah beatbreaks charges alot for shipping. I would try x2project. 10 buck's US, NO Shipping! You might still have to pay the border charge but it will save you some cash.

[imported_daus]

all this talk about caps is making me hungry...

while you were talking we were working...trying to change the way things are run around here.

http://www.geocities.com/sprayconcepts

[NonShalon]

PHOURGENRES.COM (http://phourgenres.com) sells the caps cheaper, and I got mine in 3 days, artcrimes took 16 days with air mail.

[imported_mapo wc]

I bought a t-shirt from ArtCrimes back in the day (the Leks style)..I remember how helpful they were in email, and even told me when they recieved my check. The shirt was great condition and shipped fast..Ill definitely buy caps from you guys. By the way Susan, how come AC no longer sells shirts? That Leks t-shirt was ill. I dont care if its toy to wear graf shirts..I had to make an exception with that.

[Pistol]

Non Shalon. How did you get your caps from phourgenres in 3 days. Considering they have only been open for 1 day. I remember seeing people posting alot of shit about toolz. So I would be kinda hesitant to order from them. Phourgenres/Toolz2
Promotions Promotions

[imported_b0b]

Would just like to say I have ordered from them a few times and have had nothing but courteous and fast service.

[etc.com]

I have also ordered some caps. All I can say is that Iam a happy camper-

The gray dots caps are the shit on krylon cans, they give you a nice straight line without mist or drips (bepending on your can control).

[Susan]

We don't have shirts at present, but maybe we'll carry more in the future. I hope so. They are a lot of trouble and expensive to produce.

As for "phourgenres", you'll notice they have started out by stealing our caps images and by lying about what we carry or don't carry, so that should give you some idea of how they plan to do business. And, by the time you pay shipping, theirs cost more than ours. We had more complaints about ripoffs from Toolzofthetrade than any other so-called business so far. So beware.

[PureGraffiti]

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[PureGraffiti]

Originally posted by Susan
We don't have shirts at present, but maybe we'll carry more in the future. I hope so. They are a lot of trouble and expensive to produce.

As for "phourgenres", you'll notice they have started out by stealing our caps images and by lying about what we carry or don't carry, so that should give you some idea of how they plan to do business. And, by the time you pay shipping, theirs cost more than ours. We had more complaints about ripoffs from Toolzofthetrade than any other so-called business so far. So beware.

Susan,

First of all I would understand if you were upset about someone using a graffiti flick taken from your website, simply because no one wants to see the same photo on every site they visit. Your accusations about "Phourgenres.com" not being trusted because we have used images of your caps to advertise the caps we are selling, is just a petty little cry from someone who feels threatened by our new distribution site. If you were to take a picture of any amount of caps or just one cap even, it would all look the same. The only difference would be maybe the background color variance. Either way I really don't think anyone cares about what was "Taken" from your website or by whom. It is just another cap being sold to anyone that may see it and want it for the BETTER deal.

About your accusation about us lying about what you sell and don't sell, is a bunch of crap. To my knowledge you never sold 50 packs until just recently. So to all who are able to view my reply, "WHO'S THE LIAR NOW!!!!!!?" But just to make you feel better, I will be updating my comparison chart now, to show that you DO now sell the 50 pack and for $6.00 while we PHOURGENRES.com ARE SELLING IT FOR ONLY $5.00 AND THE 100 PACK FOR $7.00. Does that make you feel better? Does it make you look better? I sure as hell don't think so.

Oh and about our shipping being more expensive, I have just lowered all shipping rates AND we are matching "FREE SHIPPING FOR ALL ORDERS OVER $50.00."

You obviously posted this out of anger that we have taken business from you. I have just one thing to add, this really proves that you are just in it for the money.

P.S.

If you sense sarcasm, you have good senses. After reading your ignorant post I couldn't help but reply in any other manner.


-puregraffiti.com
-phourgenres.com

[Pistol]

It sounds like you just came on here AFTER you changed everything that way you could come back on here and talk shit to Susan. Before you were talking about how PG and AC were all buddy buddy and you were friends and shit a few months back when you were talking about server costs. Now your talking shit. Some friend or were you just dropping names. After you started bitching about the costs of ALL the sites PG hosts to us you went ahead and put that shit up on your site. Sounds like you just read all the shit in here then go and fix it on PG so you can try to make a valid argument. All I know is people that ordered from AC got their shit while PG/Toolz/PG2 jacked. Relax buddy. Let's just see how the response's from your customers are. Seems like artcrimes customers are very satisfied.

[PureGraffiti]

Originally posted by Pistol
It sounds like you just came on here AFTER you changed everything that way you could come back on here and talk shit to Susan. Before you were talking about how PG and AC were all buddy buddy and you were friends and shit a few months back when you were talking about server costs. Now your talking shit. Some friend or were you just dropping names. After you started bitching about the costs of ALL the sites PG hosts to us you went ahead and put that shit up on your site. Sounds like you just read all the shit in here then go and fix it on PG so you can try to make a valid argument. All I know is people that ordered from AC got their shit while PG/Toolz/PG2 jacked. Relax buddy. Let's just see how the response's from your customers are. Seems like artcrimes customers are very satisfied.

Oh look its artcrimes lawyer...
Sorry Pistol, but like it said in my reply to Susan is that we will be changing it right now so we don't burst her bubble. Which we did, so in other words, what the hell are you talking about, really? She is the one who just updated, and was upset we didn't check her site and update our chart which just made her look worse. You need to read slower cause you have problems understanding apparently.

PG AND AC were all buddy buddy? Hmm Funny, I don't recall ever speaking to you. Kind of odd. Why would I care if we were, or not buddy buddy, this is really stupid... wow..

Bitching about the cost of our server bill? If you consider that bitching, did we ever ask for a dollar from you, um no, I think we are basically doing the same thing that artcrimes.com is doing, trying to make a dollar to keep up our site along with the sites we host. Susan did the same thing in this forum so whats the point of your argument?

toolz isn't ours, and frankly I could give a hell if you believe it or not. As far as PG2, It is ours, and we wouldn't say that if we were planning to 'jack' people. So, yea pistol lets SEE responses from the store, before you claim we jacked people. How about you back up what you say about the new store.. sound like cleo again...

[Pistol]

Originally posted by PureGraffiti


Oh look its artcrimes lawyer...

Hey Susan did you hear that. I didn't get my paycheck. It's in the mail right?

Susan just posted a thread letting us know about the caps. PG had some little soldiers sent to this forum with shit like "Lowest Prices , Great Service" etc. before you even opened. And please save the whole we sold to our friends before we actually opened speech. It doesent matter if you did because you probably werent going to rip your friends off.

[PureGraffiti]

Originally posted by Pistol

Hey Susan did you hear that. I didn't get my paycheck. It's in the mail right?

Susan just posted a thread letting us know about the caps. PG had some little soldiers sent to this forum with shit like "Lowest Prices , Great Service" etc. before you even opened. And please save the whole we sold to our friends before we actually opened speech. It doesent matter if you did because you probably werent going to rip your friends off.


cleo knows everything.

[wakassOATH]

whatever PG is fucking gay, I think we all remeber your little toolz of the trade site, anyway why would you call yer site pure graffiti when theres a bunch or legal walls on the front page

[PureGraffiti]

"whatever PG is fucking gay, I think we all remeber your little toolz of the trade site, anyway why would you call yer site pure graffiti when theres a bunch or legal walls on the front page" -wakassOATH

front page? can you point that out? moron.
lol besides what you just said was stupid,

ART - CRIMES... better not put any legals on that Susan, you may get snapped at by this guy.

[wakassOATH]

ok maybe i was a little off target .. but you dont know what its like waiting for caps in the mail for months from your dumb ass site

[Pistol]

This artcrimes thread has been killed.
Hey I got my own thread @ PG
Here (http://pub2.ezboard.com/fpuregraffitidiscusingboardfrm12.showMessage?topic ID=128.topic)

[PureGraffiti]

yea I do know what its like, I ordered from 7th heaven years ago.. haha still waiting buddy.

But its not our site, we host sites, and we hosted them...
we also host some other sites.. for example..... and we buy the domains for some of the new ones.. believe us or not.
sixcentz.com
canadianvapourz.com
paintmyface.puregraffiti.com
nd2nd.puregraffiti.com
nycgrafx.com (used to be nycgraf.com)


anyways, ill hook you up with the goods you lost free of charge from phourgenres.com... were not out to rip people, weve been around a while. email me.
puregraffiti@puregraffiti.com