Spray Paint

[DEEN XMEN]

BOTH BLUES SIDE BY SIDE

HEAVY WINDS ERGO THE BLOW OVER..


http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/2SBLUE.jpg

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

im feeling that aqua.

if this thing works out for you, which looks like it will. maybe you can afford to make caps that work on your paint and rusto also. sick of seeing good caps that only work on euro paint and cause a huge mess on rusto.

[DEEN XMEN]

im feeling that aqua.

if this thing works out for you, which looks like it will. maybe you can afford to make caps that work on your paint and rusto also. sick of seeing good caps that only work on euro paint and cause a huge mess on rusto.


I personally like ol' school caps like ny fats n skinnies but that's just me. These days dudes is like Divas whining bout their weak fingers.

Euro valves have a .016 vs. American valves which is .018 so that can cause the mess.
Hmmm I got caps that I have made never tested them on Rustos! So you gave me an idea there!

I had another blue which is a much lighter blue than these 2 but I got too excited and wasted it all in the yard. Can't believe I wasted 2 pints like that either. :p I did take some pics though.

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

smooth paint

[FACTORY_MADE]

colors are looking good deen
im anxious to see what it looks like when the machine comes in

[DEEN XMEN]

colors are looking good deen
im anxious to see what it looks like when the machine comes in


It will exactly be the same, absolutely nothing will change except the container.

Right now I use the pre-vals which are an aerosol spray gadget where you can custom fill your paint. Sort of like a do it yourself spray can kit lol.

Not the greatest but it does give me the test conditions that I need.

[Rustofills]

coming along.

[DEEN XMEN]

coming along.

It is finished.. I will work on a Flat color line next and a Nitrous Cellulose based brand after that.

I'd like to do a limited eggshell based line as well, Long as I can do it, I will make it.
Just a matter of time... now tick, tick, tick

The fear and paranoia has settled in, finally there will be good American made paint :p

[Rustofills]

Just what I have been looking for. We will talk soon. Im sure.

[HADES.]

WHAT UP DEENSSSSSSSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KILLIN IT WITH THIS!
ART IS SIN!!!!!!!

Its ur palm beach (561) brother!
the paint is loooooooking firey fresh.
what colors do u think will be in ur premier release?!
is it still black, white, chrome, & yellow?
please tell me those blues, and that iLLMATIC green will popup!
holler at yer boy!
the 9th Wonder

[DEEN XMEN]

WHAT UP DEENSSSSSSSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KILLIN IT WITH THIS!
ART IS SIN!!!!!!!

Its ur palm beach (561) brother!
the paint is loooooooking firey fresh.
what colors do u think will be in ur premier release?!
is it still black, white, chrome, & yellow?
please tell me those blues, and that iLLMATIC green will popup!
holler at yer boy!
the 9th Wonder

You crazy! Yeah those blues, that green, reds (I'm working on a brighter red right now),

the aluminum silver, white! Not to sure on that yellow yet. 5 to 10 colors not too sure yet.

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

what the pressure going to be? high or low?

[DEEN XMEN]

what the pressure going to be? high or low?



MOST LIKELY HIGH .. BUT I'D LIKE TO GET IT IN BETWEEN.

I DON'T KNOW BOUT LOW PRESSURE AND HOW IT WORKS EXACTLY IN AEROSOL PAINTS. THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL HAVE TO PLAY/EXPERIMENT WITH.

IN NORMAL HIGH PRESSURE PAINTS ITS 2:1 OR 3:1 RATIO BUT LOW PRESSURE IS SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW YET. EXPERIMENTATION WILL SOLVE THIS SURELY.

SOMEONE HERE ON 12OZ KNOWS MAN IT'D BE HELPFUL!!!

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

bigmetalcircus would probably know. but just don't make the pressure so high that it feels like krylon before the sex change. those things would kill my fingers to use. if it could emulate the valve on MTN hardcore that would be awesome.

[PreOne]

deen .... lookin good love those blues

[Virtue]

That aqua is fuckin' sick.

[PreOne]

u can always release high pressure ...cant put it back in out in the streets tho..keep that in mind, ironlak matte black is some high pressure shit...goddamn...

[DEEN XMEN]

u can always release high pressure ...cant put it back in out in the streets tho..keep that in mind, ironlak matte black is some high pressure shit...goddamn...


I really don't see how any these so called graff paints are "low pressure" to be honest.
The pressure is slightly lower but I really don't consider them "low pressure"

So called Low pressure paints unless they are bag on valves all have to be mid pressure. Lower pressure is also better in smaller cans because of less paint to push out therefore less gas is required. Ie: Alien cans

This why so many tall cans always have problems getting all the paint out of them.

I do know the mathematical formula for pressurization of aerosol paints. I"ll work on low pressure later on as I progress "if this is successfull".

Most important priority for me right now is to get the paint right. I am pretty content with the paint formulation right now as it stands.

PS: GOD damn there are so many haters here, I can't believe it! Peeps right here in America,
it's a fucking shame. Keep on leaving me negative props.. it's all good.

In the end I will prevail.. That's my word.

NONE OF YOU PHASE ME

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

In the end you will Preval :)

Hit me up...I might be of some help with some stuff.

[DEEN XMEN]

In the end you will Preval :)

Hit me up...I might be of some help with some stuff.

Hee heee.. that's a good one.. LOL

Will do so tonight!

[DEEN XMEN]

I Think the paint is ready to go :p


ALL FREIGHTS CEPT FOR THE LAST ..
Yellow doesn't look right ..guess it's cuz of the shade.

2 passes:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%204/Yellow2pass.jpg

1 pass
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%204/Yellow1pass.jpg

GRAPE:

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%204/Purple.jpg


http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%204/Purple1.jpg


http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%204/FlatWhite1pass.jpg

POLKA DOTS LOL
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%204/Pdots.jpg

[DEEN XMEN]

^^ THIS PAINT IS A MODIFIED VERSION OF THE OL' SCHOOL KRYLON BEFORE IT BECAME WATERY CRAP.

SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT? IT WILL DRY FASTER AND IT'S THICKER..

JUNE RELEASE: 1ST OR 2ND WEEK

COLORS WILL BE:

ALUMINUM SILVER, MINT GREEN, FLAT WHITE, GRAPE

DARK RED, BRIGHT RED TBD, LIGHT BLUE, AQUA BLUE, DARK BLUE

FLAT BLACK, DARK GREEN TBD, OSHA ORANGE TBD

TBD = TO BE DETERMINED

PRICE: $2.75 - $3 A CAN USD.

ALL CAPS WILL WORK (In what manner I don't know but they will all fit)

I'M NOT JOKING ABOUT THE PRICE EITHER.. :lol:

[handsofdoom]

grape looks ill.

[freakeenyc]

yeyyeye on the price. what places are u looking to distribute ...like graff shops ..or like walmarts etc.

[injury]

GRAPE IS THAT SHIT

[?ar]

ill buy a bunch when its out, just tell me where to go

[freakeenyc]

im also glad u upped the number of colors...

[DEEN XMEN]

yeyyeye on the price. what places are u looking to distribute ...like graff shops ..or like walmarts etc.

I havent' decided yet..

If you guys got something on your mind let me know. Send me a pm.

[9WoN8eR]

your inbox is full...we need to talk.

[email protected]

[DEEN XMEN]

OK People I'm a little miffed by what you guys consider low pressure...

Give me a few spray lines you think or consider as low pressure.

[Rustofills]

When I think "Low pressure". I think Ironyak when its around half spent.

I gotta be honest. I dont care about low pressure 99% of the time. To me its all in the finger.

I feel the bigger issue isnt pressure of a can, but how soft the cap is to push.

[DEEN XMEN]

When I think "Low pressure". I think Ironyak when its around half spent.

I gotta be honest. I dont care about low pressure 99% of the time. To me its all in the finger.

I feel the bigger issue isnt pressure of a can, but how soft the cap is to push.

Yeah you 100% right. I was wondering why people always call these cans "low pressure" lol.

All it is that they just have a lil less CC's of propellant in them. DME also lowers pressure.

[GlenQ]

ITS PUSHED BACK ANOTHER MONTH?!?!
PICK UP YOUR PHONE AND CALL A NEGRO!

[jib25]

Deen - check your email!

[FACTORY_MADE]

deen you should try to make the following colors that i think are staples for outlines and triples and things of the sort

berry pink (hot pink)
and
lime green

and as far as low pressure i think people are just reffering to the minimum amount of over spray and how thin/clean lines come out. which i imagine would require a lower ration of propelant to paint. The preciseness of the lines is going to matter alot to consumers as i imagine the only reason people even use this paint is for the low pressure advantage that gives artists the precision they need

[DEEN XMEN]

deen you should try to make the following colors that i think are staples for outlines and triples and things of the sort

berry pink (hot pink)
and
lime green

I would actually need color reference to them.. A picture or something of the cap.
So I can get a good idea.

I'll release the colors I stated above first and then with the next batch I'll make a bunch of different colors to add to it. I think I got the purple right. What do you think?

It's really hard to do everything at once cuz it's just me alone you know... I want lots of the nicer colors to be done so peeps can rock during the summer!

[FACTORY_MADE]

I would actually need color reference to them.. A picture or something of the cap.
So I can get a good idea.

I'll release the colors I stated above first and then with the next batch I'll make a bunch of different colors to add to it. I think I got the purple right. What do you think?

It's really hard to do everything at once cuz it's just me alone you know... I want lots of the nicer colors to be done so peeps can rock during the summer!


the purple, the light blue, the green, everything is looking legit man for real.
The only issue in mind is the overspray.

the colors im refering to is lipstick and lime green.
http://www.coloredfilms.com/images/Printable%20Film%20Color%20Chart%202.jpg

[DEEN XMEN]

^^ DAMN FACTORY You ain't playing! Whoooo!

[Feed Yer Ego]

OK People I'm a little miffed by what you guys consider low pressure...

Give me a few spray lines you think or consider as low pressure.

Belton Molotow = ultimate low pressure

i don't need paint that low pressure, but it's an awesome luxury for piecing


any thing as low as mtn hardcore is fine, imo.

[FACTORY_MADE]

Belton Molotow = ultimate low pressure

i don't need paint that low pressure, but it's an awesome luxury for piecing


any thing as low as mtn hardcore is fine, imo.

nowadays with how pervasive this kind of paint is within the culture i would say its a neccesity for piecing. Especiallly with people looking at flicks online and bieng able to notice every litle detail and imperfection, the amount of anal precision required to live up to todays internet standards is alot higher than what shit used to be. for better or for worse. and yes...i said anal precision:lol:

[PreOne]

bump anal precision!

[Lady_Sec]

But you forgot the "/no homo" part.
:rolleyes:

[EPMDfan]

deen you should try to make the following colors that i think are staples for outlines and triples and things of the sort

berry pink (hot pink)
and
lime green

and as far as low pressure i think people are just reffering to the minimum amount of over spray and how thin/clean lines come out. which i imagine would require a lower ration of propelant to paint. The preciseness of the lines is going to matter alot to consumers as i imagine the only reason people even use this paint is for the low pressure advantage that gives artists the precision they need

Just an FYI... Berry Pink is closer to Hot Raspberry then Hot Pink... ;)

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

bump deem!

[fiddly.bits]

What does everyone think/know about Kingz Cans? I'm pretty sure it's Aus owned and manufactured by/for Ksino.. anyone used it before? $5 AUD a can, just bought some, want to know what to expect.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff199/njmad/Image0387.jpg

^ Kingz cans

[DEEN XMEN]

What does everyone think/know about Kingz Cans? I'm pretty sure it's Aus owned and manufactured by/for Ksino.. anyone used it before? $5 AUD a can, just bought some, want to know what to expect.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff199/njmad/Image0387.jpg

^ Kingz cans

Is that paint actually made in Australia? Well tell us how good it is after you've used it..
Would be nice if you posted some pics too!

I like the can design..

[Gorditahead]

That grape is looking real nice!

[purehatecrew]

your holding the can dude you tell us how it is.

[DEEN XMEN]

bump deem!


What is deem?

[shade]

Deen, how many colors do you eventually plan on having out there?

im really excited to get my hands on some!

[DEEN XMEN]

Deen, how many colors do you eventually plan on having out there?

im really excited to get my hands on some!

To start though probably 10 colors.

On the real since I will own the machines and everything else, the sky's the limit far as colors go.

Once I'm established it will be "economically feasible" to do small runs and big runs.

So I wouldn't have a problem putting out all kinds of different colors.

Thanks for the support!

[eelsone]

the next great australian paint
http://i43.tinypic.com/2u53u37.jpg

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Mmm...I'll shave my legs with it. And paint trains with my gillette cans.

:|

[Rustofills]

the next great australian paint
http://i43.tinypic.com/2u53u37.jpg

5 bucks says its going to be hyped up as the next big thing in graff and turn out just like ironlak. SO SO!

I also bet its just ironlak in a different can. MADE in China?

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

actually its been around for about 2 years now, made in Australia but they use Ironlak's old factory to make it.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Load Limit, if you really want to try Kobra it is available in the States. Its decent paint, but honestly I don't think it stacks up to a lot of the other brands. If you really want some - try www.crewest.com and check out their store. I will warn you they are expensive.

[EON 352]

yeah $18 for a 100 pack of rusto fats?!?! coommmeeee onnnnnn

[Rustofills]

18 bucks for a 50 sack of Boston Thins. Or Rusto fats. You gotta be kidding me.
I know a site where you can get 100 rusto fats for $6.50 or 50 Boston Thins for $8.00.
That site you linked us to donst show Kobra and its over priced.

Its all about troutartsupply if you need caps. Shit.

[EON 352]

:rolleyes: trout has everything you need.

[Rustofills]

Everything I need that I would need to order. Thats what I mean.

[injury]

haaahaaa... i paid 17 including shipping for 100 r-fats elsewhere on the interwebs.

belton is cheaper on AP, and AP isnt known for being cheap.

har har har

edit: HAAA HAAA HAAA THIS SHIRT

http://www.crewest.com/shop/gear/images/tshirts/shirt05.jpg

[DEEN XMEN]

^^ I write all the time using my trusty pen and some loose leaf paper lol!

I wonder if people buy them t-shirts.. they look kind of cheesy :D


Is that the average price for a pack of caps $17-18 per 100? Sheesh!

I do honestly think though Trout got the best prices on caps.

[DEEN XMEN]

18 bucks for a 50 sack of Boston Thins. Or Rusto fats. You gotta be kidding me.
I know a site where you can get 100 rusto fats for $6.50 or 50 Boston Thins for $8.00.
That site you linked us to donst show Kobra and its over priced.

Its all about troutartsupply if you need caps. Shit.

Seriously them is some seriously ridiculous rip off prices! I guess alot of people don't care bout saving some loot in these times.. $6.50 per 100 is a pretty damn good price!

[eelsone]

whats wrong with ironlak?
oh and aeroskills went bust, couldnt cope with the competition

[injury]

^^ I write all the time using my trusty pen and some loose leaf paper lol!

I wonder if people buy them t-shirts.. they look kind of cheesy :D


Is that the average price for a pack of caps $17-18 per 100? Sheesh!

I do honestly think though Trout got the best prices on caps.

nah mine were 17 for 100 banana skinnies... i got it twisted, i think i order from the same place rustofills does cause i got the rustos for the same price.

[EON 352]

yeah the euro caps seem to always run twice the price as american caps ie rustos,NYs.
i guess euros take more plastic to make or something. idk. but most of the euro caps dont even work on rusto. im happy with rusto fats and stock tips. but i think i would give those astro fats a try sometime.

[Rustofills]

whats wrong with ironlak?


I really don't want to get into a big discussion over Ironyak right now. Especially seeing as there is a thread for that. But I really dont feel ironlak preforms as well as its hype. Nor is it worth the price it sells for.( JUST MY OPIONION ) I have used it many times. In both The old leakers and the newer so called none leaker cans. I must admit the newer cans with the valve issue fixxed is much better then the older ones. But still, even after burning threw 100's of them. Im just not a big fan. If lak happen cost less. Then I would say it a good paint to use vs cost. But seeing as its the same price as other brands that work better for the same price. Then I really don't need to say much more. There are a few other things that I really can not comment on right now. As im not into spreading shit talk about anyone or company. Plus I don't know all the facts about this other very seruis issue. Lets just say something that should go with out saying. Wear your respirator.

Personally for me. Between all the varius types of Rustoleum. I dont need anythign else.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

The ironlak fragrance they put in it does NOT go away. It might smell nice when you're painting but who wants a scented piece?

[jib25]

Belton all the way.. but I'll use anything. Just sayin'... if I'm gonna spring for designer paint then it's Belton hands down...

[OF147]

Ugghh.. The smell is ok but they need to tone it down a little. Nobody wants some perfumy piece! Outdoors I don't care but inside yeah it does matter.

The Ironlak thread has been closed for some time now.

I'll tell you people this though: Gather up a bunch of different cans and smell from where the valve is. If you smell paint or something leaking from it, it aint' a good thing. That shit causes some seriously severe headaches especially if you got it stocked in a area that you are constantly around or at.

Ironlak is a good deal though if you are paying $3.95 for it. I know alot of people overcharge for it and lots of other paints.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

I don't wanna go back and sift through the threads but there was an interesting post about this dude who painted a (legal?) piece with ironlak on a building, in a building....something like that. The neighborhood was complaining about the smell so they had to buff it.

He sent a train off with a piece and it came back smelling the same way it did when it left.

The paints not bad, I'm not going to be a paint snob and say I only use a certain kind, but that's the only thing that kills it for me.

[Rustofills]

I have experienced that same thing with the smell. I came across something that was done in one place five days earlier and when I saw it again, ( many miles from where it was done, ) all I couldnt smell was the ironlak as it cooking in the sun. I know that the smell gos away after time. But with that said. 5 days and still stinking.

I also mix a lot of paint and have found that the ironlak fragrance over powers most everything I mix it with. Even in smaller amounts, like a 20% to a 80% blend into Rusto still leave's a stronge sent of the lak.

We all know that different brands of paints and paint type's have they're own smells. But I have never smelled anything like Ironyak. Even the so called none leakers.

I have to admit that the smell has been something for me to consider when going out to some spots. As its an attention getter from as much as 80 to a 100 feet away depending on wind and weather conditions.

Its never a good idea to use Spray paint indoors, especially without good ventilation. I used a good amount of ironlak last year on a indoor project and I felt like death for 2 days after I was finished up. Even with a good mask. Actually, As I remember the company I painted for was getting complaints for a few days over the smell, from other companys on both sides of them.

[DEEN XMEN]

I'M Calling up my boys CHOW Y. FAT N' JET LI to investigate this matter LOL

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Haha musta been your post I read rusto! :D

I have a piece of cardboard sitting in my living room behind the sofa with some spray tests I did. It still stinks like ironlak.

[eelsone]

my mum likes the smell of ironlak lol
and me , and my brother...
i like it actually, i see a fresh piece, i walk up to it
hey i might even smell it, and get the wiff of a fresh ironlak
i like the smell, kinda like vanilla
but thats just my opinion

[DEEN XMEN]

OK These are the colors I will release for the first batch:

________________________________

FLAT WHITE

FLAT BLACK

ORANGE HAZZARD (OSHA)

YELLOW (OL' SCHOOL YELLOW)

GRAPE

DARK RED

AQUA BLUE

ROYAL BLUE (DARK)

MINT GREEN

ALUMUMINUM (BRIGHT SILVER)

________________________________

ALL COLORS ARE POSTED IN THIS FORUM ALREADY EXCEPT FOR THE OSHA ORANGE WHICH I'M WORKING ON.

BUT THIS IS MY LINE UP, AND THIS WHAT WILL BE RELEASED IN JUNE. (These ARE the colors the majority of you asked for)

________________________________


ps: I'm working on some little sized cans with low pressure for you fancy pants guys!

________________________________


IF I HAD MORE CASH I'D BRING OUT MORE COLORS BUT REALITY IS I DON'T.

I'M NOT SOME BIG COMPANY/CORPORATION OR A BUNCH OF RICH KIDS PLAYING WITH MOMMY N' DADDY MONEY.

[EON 352]

hey that seems like a great lineup for your first batch.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Hell yeah Deen! Rock that paint all the way to the bank!

I know I'll be using this for sure!

[Deuce.Mjz]

mtn yeppiiii

[Schnitzel]

Nice work Deen

reckon there would be a cool blog in the making there!

showing your trials and tribulations of bringing out this paint.

[Schnitzel]

Hell yeah Deen! Rock that paint all the way to the bank!

No doubt what he intends to do!

[eelsone]

can i get some more info on this paint?

[DEEN XMEN]

can i get some more info on this paint?

What do you need to know? All the info is on this thread if you go through it.

If there's something you don't see then send me a pm.

[eelsone]

ohk sorry i just thought there was a site of your brand

[DEEN XMEN]

ohk sorry i just thought there was a site of your brand

No problems.. Left you a pm.

[hubbabalou]

word up, was a price range sound like and i love how opaque that damn red looks.


PIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Vapid]

Cant wait for this paint. im deff copping a shit load.

[DEEN XMEN]

I will need some help from you guys, since I can't afford them fancy doughnut things on the cans.

What style of caps do you like? A little small one showing the color of the paint, a little all black stacker like Ironlak has, or them big caps like that come on Rusto/Krylon?

I'm leaning towards the small colored one that shows the color of the paint.

I'd like to hear some input on your thoughts people.

Thanks in advance DEEN

[PreOne]

small ...save the earth yo ..... happy earth day

[EON 352]

personally i found that those tiny ones barely stay on the can. but with the color ring in the way it would probably work.

[DEEN XMEN]

small ...save the earth yo ..... happy earth day

Yes my bro.. that's my thinking exactly.

[handsofdoom]

www.crewest.com and check out their store. I will warn you they are expensive.

yeah $18 for a 100 pack of rusto fats?!?! coommmeeee onnnnnn

18 bucks for a 50 sack of Boston Thins. Or Rusto fats. You gotta be kidding me.


for real, a little browsing here:

most stickers are above $5. not for a 25 pack. for one fucking sticker. tons of them are $8 too. 6 can minimum paint orders, $7.00 for a 400ml Belton.

i wish this site was dirt cheap like troutart though, they have everything you could ever want/need here.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Can't believe I actually bought a couple pieces of their overpriced crap.

Good thing it wasn't anything with their tacky logo.... or their overpriced minimum order sabotaz.

[injury]

I will need some help from you guys, since I can't afford them fancy doughnut things on the cans.

What style of caps do you like? A little small one showing the color of the paint, a little all black stacker like Ironlak has, or them big caps like that come on Rusto/Krylon?

I'm leaning towards the small colored one that shows the color of the paint.

I'd like to hear some input on your thoughts people.

Thanks in advance DEEN

it all gets thrown away at the end...

go with whats cheapest for you but still shows what color we have.

[9WoN8eR]

it all gets thrown away at the end...
go with whats cheapest for you but still shows what color we have.[/QUOTE]




DITTO!

[ink head]

I havent' decided yet..

If you guys got something on your mind let me know. Send me a pm.

yo man micheals and ace hardware stores!

[Schnitzel]

waht about using those plugs like MTN use
and then popping a sticker of the colour on the can.

I mean belton got away for years just having the colour typed in on the bottom of the label.

I know it's not the best idea but it will be cheap and you can always improve once you get a bit of cash in fromt he first batch anyways.
Make the labelling big and clear

[Vossy]

You don't even really need a top unless it comes with a cap in the valve. I say forget tops and just throw caps into the box that the paint comes in. The first thing I do is chuck it anyway.

As for identifying color. A donut would be nice, but barring that why not just dab a little bit of the actual paint on the top of the can? Anytime I get a wack of paint with no donut and its not obvious what color it is, I just paint the top of the can so I know. Should be pretty easy to do even on a mass produced scale. Just line up all the finished cans and blast the top of them.

[Chicken McFucketts]

clear cans.
Would be nuts.

[DEEN XMEN]

waht about using those plugs like MTN use
and then popping a sticker of the colour on the can.

I mean belton got away for years just having the colour typed in on the bottom of the label.

I know it's not the best idea but it will be cheap and you can always improve once you get a bit of cash in fromt he first batch anyways.
Make the labelling big and clear


You read my mind I was thinking the exact same thing about them plugs but I called a few companies and they all said it was expensive to make because they would have to build the mold , tool etc.

[jib25]

If you haven't already tried it...

JoAnn Fabrics & Craft stores sell their own brand of paint that's on sale right now for .97 a tin. Been using some on a wall this week, and it's not half bad. It'll take a banana skinny and gives a real slow/low pressure spray right near the start of a full can. So, for current U.S. paint - Good stuff and worth .97 ea. Will post flicks of can colors later...

[jib25]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb118/mealism/IMG_1981.jpg

^ As promised...

[jib25]

Some of the better colors: Baby Blue, Sage Green, Pink, Purple, Violet & Ivory...

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb118/mealism/IMG_1983.jpg

[fiddly.bits]

@Deen, where will you be selling your paint? America only?

Are you going to take your paint straight out of the factory and bomb your state? Lulz :D .

Good luck.

[STYLEISKING]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2776/4274466393_8d8458a42a_b.jpg
brazil

[Chicken McFucketts]

^ I don't get that photo.. What's that? your racking spot?

[fiddly.bits]

Nice spot if it is.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Looks like he's showing what some other countries are offering for paint

[HADES.]

as far as the color indicator, go with the CHEAPEST, it all ends up in the trash^^^^like what was said above.;)

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2776/4274466393_8d8458a42a_b.jpg
brazil

Anyone know an online store that still sells the basic brand? I've been looking around and no one seems to have it. Did they discontinue it?

For a "basic" spray paint it's actually pretty nice.

[DEEN XMEN]

The stuff in this picture.. looks all Brazilian or Spanish if I'm not wrong!

That shirt is ugly as hell. wonder if people buy them alot?

This pic probably meant to show you overseas paint etc.

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

i gotta 2nd the post about montana basic, never tried it but it looks pretty decent.. i have yet to see any sites that would ship to the pacific. so i'm out of luck :/

[STYLEISKING]

http://www.users.on.net/~perish/frenchlime.jpg

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Zynolyte gets the worst paint ever award

[DEEN XMEN]

Who wants to Chip in and help me buy a paint company right here in America?

I'm not talking bout mines but another one.. I'M SERIOUS

GO TO GEAR UP TO GO TO WAR WITH THE ALIENS LOL! :p

[DEEN XMEN]

My logo :p If you look closely you'll see 3 letters there.. A I S = Art Is Sin (ARTISSIN)

TOOK ME FOREVER TO DESIGN THIS THING.. I'M NOT SOME ADOBE GURU! I DID DO IT MYSELF THOUGH :)

ALL CONCEPTS DESIGNS ETC BELONG TO ME AND MY GENIUS BRAIN LOL

[xCHULOx]

wat do u guys think of sabotax 80 spray paint thinking of buying sum but idk yet

[pedoe]

i have that phone..

[eelsone]

nice logo, easily remembered so thats a plus

[injury]

wat do u guys think of sabotax 80 spray paint thinking of buying sum but idk yet

I bought some but haven't used it yet, probably will this weekend.

The place i copped from threw gold dots and sabotaz ultra fats in with the order, which is kool for the old valve krylons i keep...

[UnOuTi]

blaa

[UnOuTi]

Some of the better colors: Baby Blue, Sage Green, Pink, Purple, Violet & Ivory...

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb118/mealism/IMG_1983.jpg


a big up to you bro, the paint isnt half bad, i also got some chromes and golds which are dope...

[Feed Yer Ego]

If you haven't already tried it...

JoAnn Fabrics & Craft stores sell their own brand of paint that's on sale right now for .97 a tin. Been using some on a wall this week, and it's not half bad. It'll take a banana skinny and gives a real slow/low pressure spray right near the start of a full can. So, for current U.S. paint - Good stuff and worth .97 ea. Will post flicks of can colors later...

the one i went to only had black, brown and baby pink

and on sale was still $3

i picked up a pink just for the fuck of it

didn't cover very well, but didn't drip super like krylon ballet slipper which is same color

[PreOne]

i bought joann true blue/real red/baby pink i sprayed the blue and red on the ground in the lot i was very surprised .. and for .97 a "tin" [clearance and will not be re-stocking] i was happy

[nothingspecial]

Jo Ann paint is fine, but how durable is it? Thats like getting the cheap-o cans from Home Depot. Its nice because they are so easy on your pocket, but they cover like shit and fade super fast. For walls I guess its fine, but for freight, longevity is key..

[9WoN8eR]

2.97 clearance price over here too.

[PreOne]

yeh i would neeeeevver pay more than 97 cents for it

[9WoN8eR]

yeh i would neeeeevver pay more than 97 cents for it

thanks for the tip...

[ghostnugz]

I bought some but haven't used it yet, probably will this weekend.

The place i copped from threw gold dots and sabotaz ultra fats in with the order, which is kool for the old valve krylons i keep...

youll like it. super thick, nice valve. colors are all bright and on point(new ones, not the old cans where the ring dont match). the butchers bruise and yellow green are sick. check em out.

[~$mIley~]

i thought krylon put saftey caps on their product now tho

[DEEN XMEN]

EVERYTHING IS ON SCHEDULE FOR JUNE RELEASE

CROSS YOUR FINGERS :innocent:

[PreOne]

and toes

[DocOne]

I havent' decided yet..

If you guys got something on your mind let me know. Send me a pm.

I do not know if someone has replyed to this yet, but it would be fucking awesome if it was available at a store instead of graff shop or website, but i doubt a place like home depot or walmart would take a new brand, they are probably satisfied with what they have or it would be hard shit to work your way to an agreement... from the colors ive seen, your paint loks fresh as fuck, keep it up. cant wait to get my hands on some.

[eviltrailer77]

Im saving some of the ol' tax return for you DEEN. Im all up in this like may name was Chubby Cocks!

[DEEN XMEN]

Im saving some of the ol' tax return for you DEEN. Im all up in this like may name was Chubby Cocks!


LOL.. that was funny.. Thanks for your support bro.. It's fucking greatly appreciated!

[DEEN XMEN]

I do not know if someone has replyed to this yet, but it would be fucking awesome if it was available at a store instead of graff shop or website, but i doubt a place like home depot or walmart would take a new brand, they are probably satisfied with what they have or it would be hard shit to work your way to an agreement... from the colors ive seen, your paint loks fresh as fuck, keep it up. cant wait to get my hands on some.

DOC thanks for your comments, ideas. Your support is greatly appreciated.

Maybe in the future I"ll be able to do that. You need serious $$$$ to produce the quanities needed for chains like home depot etc. They dont' pay upfront either, they normally pay on Net 30, 60, 90 etc.

If a store carried the paint though it would actually make the price of the paint go up alot.

[fiddly.bits]

@Deen, just wondering; what will your stock caps be if you have any?

Did you decide on the labeling of your colour?

High/low pressure valve system?

What countries will be availible to buy your paint? America, EU?

I'm just curious about specs.

[DEEN XMEN]

@Deen, just wondering; what will your stock caps be if you have any?

Did you decide on the labeling of your colour?

High/low pressure valve system?

What countries will be availible to buy your paint? America, EU?

I'm just curious about specs.



I hope I answered your questions correctly if not please let me know!

Answers:

Labeling of the color? Not too sure what you mean by this? : Well there will be a sticker with the color of the paint on the can.

No doughnuts YET

_____________________________________________

Caps: All caps fit and work on the cans, in what manner you have to experiment with it.

Just like I put a NY skinny on a American can the lines are skinny but on certain cans the same cap will be a super fat cap.

Guess I will figgure this as I progress down the long winding road.

______________________________________________

High for now, there is no such thing really as a low pressure 400ml can.

I guess pressure will have to be something that needs experimenting and is a work in progress.

Smaller the can the lower the pressure can be.

_______________________________________________

Paint will be sold in North America only - US, Canada, Mexico and US territories.

I absolutely have no intention of shipping overseas, there are many companies over there already, no need for me to be some wanna be trying to invade other markets. That's not my goal at all.

GOAL: Make some good paint for North Americans .. So our throwies wont' cost $10 to do lol. To do a 6 color work of art cost what? $50 - $80 (USD) depending on the brand.

The ones that get it for free don't care but me and 99% of the artists don't get nothing for free. Well I do get WIC lol.

______________________________________________

You guys have to remember I am a actual graffiti writer/bomber.

I love graff and I do graff at least once a week. I'm not some pretender trying to say I'm a graffer so I can bring out and sell spray paint. Shit if I could I'd be painting every single day. I'm not doing this to make a million dollars either, I'm doing it cuz there is no American paints for us. :evil:

After this paint experiment gig I'm going into Anime and Porno lol!

Graffiti, Art, Adventure, Anime, Girls, Liquor and Porno = the life for me <3 :love2: :love:

[c-walk]

My logo :p If you look closely you'll see 3 letters there.. A I S = Art Is Sin (ARTISSIN)

TOOK ME FOREVER TO DESIGN THIS THING.. I'M NOT SOME ADOBE GURU! I DID DO IT MYSELF THOUGH :)

ALL CONCEPTS DESIGNS ETC BELONG TO ME AND MY GENIUS BRAIN LOL

That logo is terrible.

[HADES.]

^^^ Nobody gives shit what u think,
Go back to your cave in Ohio.
(you myspace computer thuggin herb ;))

[DEEN XMEN]

That logo is terrible.

Damn it! You're mean! :(

Man I made that logo to coincide with the IronMan2 release too! LOL!

Well at least you shared your opinion with us! Not everyone likes the same things.

You think you can make one then and post it up?

It can't be graffiti like either, since the cans must appeal to everyone.

Now I won't be able to sleep tonight cuz you don't like my logo!

It's cool I find it all humourous and enlightening, if I didn't I'd be a moron.

[freakeenyc]

shit...logo contest...iwanna try a non graff logo...

[orarok08]

I would like to see these old Krylon colors.
Grape; Grape Frost; Violet
http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq187/orarok08/DSC01699.jpg

[FACTORY_MADE]

After this paint experiment gig I'm going into Anime and Porno lol!

Graffiti, Art, Adventure, Anime, Girls, Liquor and Porno = the life for me <3 :love2: :love: [/quote]

THIS GUY KNOWS THE DEAL!

[livejig]

Rusto and American Accents all day!Lagooooooon son..... Fern Green,Lobstah Red and Amber Satin.

[Rustofills]

I would like to see these old Krylon colors.
Grape; Grape Frost; Violet
http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq187/orarok08/DSC01699.jpg
These are not OLD KRYLON colors.
Old Krylon colors are stuff like Sunset Orange, School Bus Yellow, Jumgle Green, Teracotta. ETC

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Fuck Sunset Orange, shit is the first to explode at the seams and ruin your other goodies.

[Rustofills]

Fuck Sunset Orange, shit is the first to explode at the seams and ruin your other goodies.

Dont I know it. I thnk everyong I know that had a old can of it sitting around. Had it lburst at the seems, But other then that, The color its self was nice.

Again I bump this.
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll193/drypickle/Krylonfailscopy.gif

[eviltrailer77]

Every time I find old valve krylon at random hardware stores, or clearance stores I get all excited, cuz in my head I still associate it w/ flat ball or borden. Then like some kind of fucking Alzheimer patient I buy the shit and am so disappointed every time. You think I would eventually learn, but no. I am retarded... Up side, I have been mixing OSH flat white & pale yellow into empty krylons & its nice w/ a new york fat.

[jib25]

Anyone used Sabotaz? What's the lowdown with that shit..?

[livejig]

Sunset orange mixed with some plum and you get a hot raspberry. RUSTO! If I had to choose Krylon again Brick and Jungle Green were my favorites.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Rusto Brick was sick as well, the new burnt orange that I think is already discontinued was a pretty good match to it.

[DEEN XMEN]

Euros are going down in value.. So the price of fancy paints pricing should be going down too..

Some of these fancy euro paint companies might be going out of business soon due to the problems occuring with their finances.

__________________________________________________ ____

Far as my paint line is concerned everything is on schedule. If I do get delayed it will be a delay of 1 or 2 weeks the most.

Lots of people and companies think this ain't going to happen.

News for you clowns: I Love to prove people wrong

__________________________________________________ __

If you got a dream, then follow it cuz if you don't:

You'll always have the "what if" question lingering in your thoughts till the day you die.

"There are those that will doubt you but you can never doubt yourself."

[EON 352]

well the only euro company i care about is MTN.

[UnOuTi]

whats the deal with krylon female valve industrial?....i just got a grip of them at a good pricce someone please tell me that its not water in a can... i figured cause its the industrial that it SHOULD be thicker but im not sure..the color is almond, but looks basically white...someone please shed some light .

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Krylon means water in the Graffitswahili language my man.

[livejig]

the krylon Burnt Orange seems a lot like Rustos Burnt range to me. That new Fern Green is the tits and the Lobsta Red!!!! Amber satin is a little lighter than Honey another favorite....

[injury]

Anyone used Sabotaz? What's the lowdown with that shit..?

it's good, thick paint at a decent price. sabotaz ultra fats are SO FUN.
smell wise, it's kinda like if you mixed the smell of mustard with industrial solvents.

but... it made me nauseous, like dry heaves and everything. not good. and this comes from someone who uses rusto every time.

pick your poison...

[HADES.]

i'll say aside from belton, i'd sabotaz, is some of the thickest paint. actually i'd even say its thicker than belton. i've used it probably twice for different productions, and i gotta say its a quality paint.

just my opinion:
order of how thick the paint is (less drips, more pigment)
1. sabotaz
2. belton
3. ironlak
4. mtn hardcore
5. rustoleum/painters touch(maybe tied with hardcore)

i don't really pay attention to whole german line of montana- too expensive,
too complicated (history of being posers.)

Hades list for two top bombing paint for the money:
1. Painters touch/rusto
2. sabotaz

Hades list for three top piecing paint for the money:
1. ironlak
2. belton
3. mtn hardcore.

**although i didn't add this to any list,
i live a little north of miami, and there's a local clash dealer,
i gotta say CLASH paint, is amazing, it woud've probably top the list for piecing paint
if i added it. and for bombing clash would probably be at the top of the list as well.
(it's hard to beat RUSTO paints for bombing. its the perfect bombing paint-price, pressure, thicknss, quality).

[dontlookback]

im not really pumped on mtn hardcore....i mean it covers like a champ, but drips easier when layered.... ive had better experiences layering rusto. but i guess they really didnt have the northwest in mind when they designed hardcore....,especially when it gets close to freezing conditions

[livejig]

IRONWAK

[dontlookback]

IRONWAK

i will cosign that on the basis that the smell wont go away after you get done painting. scented paint is no bueno in my book. but so far ironlak is the worst....its like a reminder of how toxic spraypaint is for your body.

[HADES.]

im not really pumped on mtn hardcore....i mean it covers like a champ, but drips easier when layered.... ive had better experiences layering rusto. but i guess they really didnt have the northwest in mind when they designed hardcore....,especially when it gets close to freezing conditions

i agree its a great paint, but ur right, layering and cutting back is hard because mtn hardcore just isn't as think as sabotaz, belton, or even ironlak for that matter.


as far as caps go,
just about ALL caps do work on mtn hardcore. BIG PLUS
most caps work on sabotaz, but clog easily due to thickness but most caps do work,
belton, has their own euro thing were alot of american paint caps dont work. you have to use alot of euro caps, and specialty caps...
ironlak is similar- is it me, or does paint seem to run out faster with ironlak???

and

hades list for caps that work on rusto:
some ny fats
ny thins
rusto fats
boston thins
boston fats
german outline 1
german outline 2
ANYTHING ELSE?

[DEEN XMEN]

MTN is way thicker I have to agree. I guess everyone has their own opinions.. but if it was me spending my money it and I had to buy some overseas paints.. It would be

1. MTN
2.Ironlak and so forth.

That new Blackline is good but it cost way too much money.

I think the most you should pay for some good paint is $3.50 especially if you ain't doing some fancy production stuff.

Then I'd be ok with up to $5 a can. This is just me. Rather spend my money on other things that I need to survive like food.

[HADES.]

deeeeen

[dontlookback]

Actually, they are working on the smell, and, as far as paints go, ironlak is the best of the bunch as being shitty for your body. the worse the smell does not equal the worse for your body

It's a reminder long after your done painting. And how is one better than the other?

Can I get a case of ironlak lights please?!

I'm curious about the clash tho.....I think we will all be seeing alot of that soon. From what I heard....it's pretty dope.

[Vossy]

I think he's referring to the VOC and overall level of toxicity.

[DEEN XMEN]

What version of Sabotaz are you guys using? Old cans or the new cans? "New" cans are really good.

I hate perfumes cause they give me the worst headaches, but Ironlak does smell good.

NO Paint is good for you to inhale period. Wear a mask or a bandana if you don't like a mask. People think it's no big deal but it's like inhaling Asbestos. Hope you guys get the point.

You can make 0% VOC house paint but I'm not sure if you can do it with spray paint because it needs to be thinner in order to spray and not dry up in the can.

In case some of you don't know what VOC is: Volatile Organic Compound.
AKA: No good for your health
__________________________________________________ _________________________

BMC I ain't forget you man.. Hope all is rockin' on your end.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

At the very least it limits the solids inhalation..

[jib25]

Thanks for the feedback on the Sabotaz! Started using Belton round 93/94 and have always found it rock solid, but for 1 can, 'Ces Violet'. (that must have been a fucked can 'cause it was for my outline and the pressure was way off and the color was way thin/doesn't help when you're 20' up on a ladder.)

Was basically looking at the Sabotaz site as I know they have offers, which Artprimo never did. Usually use ANY brand of paint for the majority of my stuff and just the good stuff for outlining. Peace...

[dontlookback]

I think he's referring to the VOC and overall level of toxicity.

"oh really the VOC is better?"

its hype......why bother saying its better for you when reality is.....they are all bad for you. retarded to even acknowledge something like that.

only thing that counts is performance. the mattes with the eurovalves take it. 94/belton/ even montana gold out performs some of the paints mentioned on this thread.

[DEEN XMEN]

"oh really the VOC is better?"

its hype......why bother saying its better for you when reality is.....they are all bad for you. retarded to even acknowledge something like that.

only thing that counts is performance. the mattes with the eurovalves take it. 94/belton/ even montana gold out performs some of the paints mentioned on this thread.

Those so called Euro valves are not from Europe matter of Fact they are made right here in the USA and then shipped over there. That goes for all Lindal valves.

The tips are made over in Europe and they probably outsource to China.

Let's forget bout the VOC stuff if people dont' care bout their health then that's on them.

[dontlookback]

I didn't know that bout the lindal valves....but yeah if you care about your health wear a mask.

[Schnitzel]

will be interesting this weekend.

I had a friend come across some krylons and because he's low on dough I bought some off him.

what are friends for?

interesting to see how it works after not using it for close to 12 years.

true bluee still looks the goods I'm sure the paint is shite.

[Feed Yer Ego]

mtn hardcore is definitely NOT worth the $6+ it usually goes for in local shops

[Vossy]

"oh really the VOC is better?"

its hype......why bother saying its better for you when reality is.....they are all bad for you. retarded to even acknowledge something like that.

only thing that counts is performance. the mattes with the eurovalves take it. 94/belton/ even montana gold out performs some of the paints mentioned on this thread.

I'm not saying you should go find some 0 VOC paints and start huffing the shit. Obviously its bad for you, and obviously performance is going to be a the most significant deciding factor when selecting paints.

But all other things being equal... Wouldn't you rather use the paint with a lower VOC?...Keeping in mind that inhalation is only one of the many ways the toxic components enter your body. They are partially absorbed through contact with your skin; vapors can even be partially absorbed through your eyes.

Although I suppose it all doesn't matter very much if you paint with a smoke hanging out of your mouth. But still, if there is a 'healthier' option out there... Why not?

[livejig]

Actually, they are working on the smell, and, as far as paints go, ironlak is the best of the bunch as being shitty for your body. the worse the smell does not equal the worse for your body

Working on the smell??????? It doesnt smell that bad! I will say it stays around you for a week or longer pending how much you use.

[livejig]

The Montana Blacks use to work well in the cold, not sure about the new Blacks. Just used some Negro for getting up in some 30ish weather and it caked on. Have some other new Black colors but just havnt had the time to use when Rustos are in numbers.

[dontlookback]

I'm not saying you should go find some 0 VOC paints and start huffing the shit. Obviously its bad for you, and obviously performance is going to be a the most significant deciding factor when selecting paints.

But all other things being equal... Wouldn't you rather use the paint with a lower VOC?...Keeping in mind that inhalation is only one of the many ways the toxic components enter your body. They are partially absorbed through contact with your skin; vapors can even be partially absorbed through your eyes.

Although I suppose it all doesn't matter very much if you paint with a smoke hanging out of your mouth. But still, if there is a 'healthier' option out there... Why not?

i mean......i read this post, and i see you answering your own questions.

its negligable information on a product to try and compete with other products of better quality.

i mean really....you could tell some of these kids that 10 babies were killed in the process of making each can of german montana....and theyll still use it.:lol:

[HADES.]

to hell with ALL german montana.
only way i'll paint with it, is if it's free ;)

[DEEN XMEN]

OK I got a question for you guys:

How much would you if you could set the price for a can of good spray paint.

Please be realistic: $3 - $4 or $5 - $6?

Absolutely NO Paint is Worth Over 5.50 to me. I dont' care what it is.

I got a HUGE problem with my line .. it's not a really serious set back.
But I am confident I will have it by the Due date I set: JUNE 2010

[jib25]

Belton runs $5.95 on both Bombing Science & Art Primo, and since I'd say that's the ultimate luxury in paint, I'd say test it against a can to see what you think. If you can produce nice low pressure cans for outlining/details, etc. then you should price high, but still under cut them. $4.75-$4.95 if you got it down. If it needs some work but you want to release the line; 4.25- $4.49? Just throwing out ideas.. Keep it up DEEN!

[clizclean]

set different prices for loose cans or cases.. over $5 is shitty for a can for sure.. i bought some paint from you once, at a good price.. then i went to ironlak and got a better deal.. if you could compete with that id order from you again

[bloodsweatxylene]

A bandanna does absolutely nothing.
I have to completely agree with LoadLimit. All a bandana does is stop paint from drying up in your nose. It does absolutely nothing in the regards of filtering chemicals.

[injury]

OK I got a question for you guys:

How much would you if you could set the price for a can of good spray paint.

Please be realistic: $3 - $4 or $5 - $6?

Absolutely NO Paint is Worth Over 5.50 to me. I dont' care what it is.

I got a HUGE problem with my line .. it's not a really serious set back.
But I am confident I will have it by the Due date I set: JUNE 2010

$4-$5 is the sweet spot.

[EON 352]

yeah i can't remember the exact price of rusto at home depot is right now but thats the price i would aim for. i think that would be a pretty fair.

[livejig]

AmericanAccents for $2.59 ALL DAY!!!!!!!!

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

mid 1990's all day!

[Rustofills]

HA,
Bigmetal is right. You used to be able to get Krylon, Rusto (SR) and Rusto AA from .99 cents to $1.14 a can, when it was on sale at Zyers back from1990 to around 1994.

DeenXmen:
Trust your judgement. Youve been doing good thus far.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Shit, Michael's was $1.99 Krylon for the longest time and we stole the stuff anyway!

[VADERnj]

new rusto pro cans have female stems..but the new stock cap sprays a fat thick line..simaler to a rusto fat..i saw them at a lowes but so far the only sheen i saw with the new valve was gloss black white and primer gray..

[DEEN XMEN]

new rusto pro cans have female stems..but the new stock cap sprays a fat thick line..simaler to a rusto fat..i saw them at a lowes but so far the only sheen i saw with the new valve was gloss black white and primer gray..

It's Rustoleum Professional the real name of it. Very Good paint.

[DEEN XMEN]

HA,
Bigmetal is right. You used to be able to get Krylon, Rusto (SR) and Rusto AA from .99 cents to $1.14 a can, when it was on sale at Zyers back from1990 to around 1994.

DeenXmen:
Trust your judgement. Youve been doing good thus far.

What's up Rusto seems you been really busy.
Hope things are going your way.
_____________________________________________

Man those were some great deals.. I wish I was back in them days lol :)

I'm trying to keep the price Under $3.60 per can that's my goal.

As things are looking right now it looks like it will be achieved.
As I progress and get the groove of things, the price will be eventually even lower.

Sheesh the cheaper the production becomes the lower the price will be.

[SlittingThroats]

The only paint I really like is Rusto and Montanas.

[eelsone]

where i live its hard to get rustoleum
i just got my first rustos and i love em

[clizclean]

the moon?

[jiver]

Are you retarded? MTN hardcore is WAY thicker than all those brands.
If you're using rusto, you should not need anything but ny thins, and rusto fats. On any euro brand you should never use anything but ny fats

the stock caps that come with mtn hardcore are great for highlights and outlines.

[Rustofills]

the moon?

LOL. That made me laught.

But in his defence. Hes probably not in the United States.

[Rustofills]

the stock caps that come with mtn hardcore are great for highlights and outlines.

Yeah if you get past how frequently they clog when used on MTN Hardcore. I fucking cant stand going threw 3 to 4 caps on one can in a single useage.

Its so irritating!

[clizclean]

i was just joking, i got german friends who've never seen it

[HADES.]

random thing...

i been so low on cash, i had dig into my private stock...
(my storage of old school cans i saved up)
i USUALLY bomb ALL rusto- thick, covers all surfaces, affordable accessible...
ANYWAY
my private stock is mainly OLD SCHOOL KRYLON before the valve change,
as well as walmart colorplace chromes (nigga's know what i'm talking about)

i went out to used it on wall, that was already buffed (primed)
and that SHIT was complete GARBABE.
the only paint worth it was the ultra flat black... and pretty much the flat white.

DISAPPOINTED.

[HADES.]

Every time I find old valve krylon at random hardware stores, or clearance stores I get all excited, cuz in my head I still associate it w/ flat ball or borden. Then like some kind of fucking Alzheimer patient I buy the shit and am so disappointed every time. You think I would eventually learn, but no. I am retarded... Up side, I have been mixing OSH flat white & pale yellow into empty krylons & its nice w/ a new york fat.

I'M EXACTLY THE SAME WAY...
i guess it was just the era we were raised.




now that stuff is so bad, my piss would cover better than a can of krylon.

[HADES.]

my 2 cents,

i would pay the MOST $3-$4 bucks for bombing paint.
and THE MOST $4-$5 bucks for pro-paint, OR paint i'd piece with.

anything more than that is a rip

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[clizclean]

i'll use some of the new krylons.. i kinda like how the caps spray squares.. but for the majority its shit ass water

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[DEEN XMEN]

Nice flix..

[poppacrok]

i don't know if it's been asked but anybody know how to fix a clogged valve on ironlak? i got a brand new can that i only test sprayed and it's locked up....any pointers?

[dontlookback]

by kicking yourself in the ass.

[Rustofills]

i don't know if it's been asked but anybody know how to fix a clogged valve on ironlak? i got a brand new can that i only test sprayed and it's locked up....any pointers?

Just like every other clogged can. Turn in on its valve and tap it on something hard. Test spray! If its still clogged keep tapping it im same manner until clog is clear.

Side note. Dont tap it to hard. You can warp the valve base.

[FACTORY_MADE]

Just like every other clogged can. Turn in on its valve and tap it on something hard. Test spray! If its still clogged keep tapping it im same manner until clog is clear.

Side note. Dont tap it to hard. You can warp the valve base.


dope learned something new

[Manic N]

RED DEVILLLLSSSS
they still sell them.
covers just like rusto
and a rusto fat on top of a red devil red is the sex

[clizclean]

Just like every other clogged can. Turn in on its valve and tap it on something hard. Test spray! If its still clogged keep tapping it im same manner until clog is clear.

Side note. Dont tap it to hard. You can warp the valve base.

i got 2 cases of halloween that'll be glad to hear that

[poppacrok]

thanks man. appreciate it.

[OF147]

RED DEVILLLLSSSS
they still sell them.
covers just like rusto
and a rusto fat on top of a red devil red is the sex


Post a link I want to see this!

[OF147]

i got 2 cases of halloween that'll be glad to hear that

Look on the bottom of the cans you got that are clogged. What are the dates on them?

[siegksv]

none of u have mentioned SABOTAZ a belton type can. people hardly have em there dope yall should checkem out

[clizclean]

too expensive

[Gorditahead]

3.95 for sabotaz isn't that bad if it's what your looking for

[EON 352]

yeah but thats before shipping costs.

[DEEN XMEN]

Isn't a flat $5 fee for shipping?

[EON 352]

i take that back. i just checked and it is $3.95. thats pretty good. about the same price as rusto.

[boom snap clap]

montana gold aint to shabby. but paint is paint and ill use whatever i can find

[clizclean]

3.95 for sabotaz isn't that bad if it's what your looking for

i was under the impression that that water proof paint was like 6 a can

[EON 352]

montana gold aint to shabby. but paint is paint and ill use whatever i can find

psshhh for $8. :lol:

[DEEN XMEN]

Sabotaz vs Ironlak who wins?

Pros n Cons of this...

_______________________________________

Ps: My paint will be ready in June I just don't know exact date yet.

[eviltrailer77]

That's a tuff call, Price is less than a buck apart and shipping is the same on both, so thats not really a factor. Plus I'm a cheap ass and get the oink package deals that usually come with both. Ironlak is thick as fuck and opaque in almost every color I have used, some of the Sabotaz colors are still a bit transparent w/ one coat. Sabotaz has way more colors than Ironlak, but a lot of the color doughnuts on Sabotaz aren't even in the ball park. (I hear they fixed this with the new cans tho) The smell has been an issue for a lot of people with both. Ironlak has the cloying sweet perfume smell, Sabotaz smells like euro Sparvar (to me at least) IE: armpit, gasoline and old Volkswagen. But really, its spray paint, its not supposed to smell good. Sabotaz flares/atomizes better, Ironlak kinda just splatters a bit more. But that's only really a problem for shading and handstyles. Plus you can mitigate this w/ tip proper selection. Sabotaz comes w/ way better tips, hands down. Those black NY fats.. trash! Its like "Here throw these away for us, thanks mate". Other than that both have really nice controllable valves, they will both give you really clean lines, and dry really quickly.


So it just comes down to what your looking for out of your paint.

Oh, and neither of em like to go over rusto before its dry... crackle city! Learned that shit the hard way:mad:


Wow, I'm long winded...

[DEEN XMEN]

That's a tuff call, Price is less than a buck apart and shipping is the same on both, so thats not really a factor. Plus I'm a cheap ass and get the oink package deals that usually come with both. Ironlak is thick as fuck and opaque in almost every color I have used, some of the Sabotaz colors are still a bit transparent w/ one coat. Sabotaz has way more colors than Ironlak, but a lot of the color doughnuts on Sabotaz aren't even in the ball park. (I hear they fixed this with the new cans tho) The smell has been an issue for a lot of people with both. Ironlak has the cloying sweet perfume smell, Sabotaz smells like euro Sparvar (to me at least) IE: armpit, gasoline and old Volkswagen. But really, its spray paint, its not supposed to smell good. Sabotaz flares/atomizes better, Ironlak kinda just splatters a bit more. But that's only really a problem for shading and handstyles. Plus you can mitigate this w/ tip proper selection. Sabotaz comes w/ way better tips, hands down. Those black NY fats.. trash! Its like "Here throw these away for us, thanks mate". Other than that both have really nice controllable valves, they will both give you really clean lines, and dry really quickly.


So it just comes down to what your looking for out of your paint.

Oh, and neither of em like to go over rusto before its dry... crackle city! Learned that shit the hard way:mad:


Wow, I'm long winded...

Good Work Evil! Thanks for the detailed breakdown.

They are both the same price now (3.95 msrp)

For me though I'd stick to Ironlak I just like it way better. Just my preference.

Acrylic Resin vs. Enamel (Rusto) = They don't never blend that great.

[GlenQ]

the price will be $3.25 per can for the crew, $3.60 for the rest of you guys.

.

FIXED

[DEEN XMEN]

WE WILL DEFINITELY SEE WHAT'S UP THIS SUMMER.
TIME TO CHANGE THE GAME UP FO' SURE.

SAMPLE CAN DESIGN

'COURSE MY NAME WILL BE NO WHERE ON THE CANS...

PS: I FIGGURED OUT THE PRESSURE STUFF, JUST NEED 3 MONTHS OF SHELF LIFE TO TEST IT FULLY.

JUNE LAUNCH ....




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[injury]

looks fly dude. i havent used nearly enough ironlak to compare sabotaz and lak.. but sabotaz oranges are pretty weak. go with PT and rusto for orange.

[DEEN XMEN]

looks fly dude. i havent used nearly enough ironlak to compare sabotaz and lak.. but sabotaz oranges are pretty weak. go with PT and rusto for orange.


INJIE... ^^ Thanks glad you like it. Not sure if the design of the cans will always stay this way.

Oranges, I don't know why so many have difficulty making a good orange. Probably a Euro thing.

[Rustofills]

I have Few question. First one I have is. Whys the NET WT 10.5? Is that because its low pressure / less propellent?

Print paper Label or Painted on can?

I will hold off on the others questions for another time.

[DEEN XMEN]

I have Few question. First one I have is. Whys the NET WT 10.5? Is that because its low pressure / less propellent?

Print paper Label or Painted on can?

I will hold off on the others questions for another time.

NO PRINT LABELS.. THESE ARE LITHOGRAPHED CANS

This is the true weight of the can.. 10.5 oz I'm not gonna put some fake # there like 99% do.

If you was to empty any and all Euro/Overseas Brands you'd be surprised at actually how much paint is inside the can. 60-65% propellant the OTHER 35-40% is paint.
I have personally tested/emptied these cans it's quite shocking.

I'm not gonna mention names/companies or they might start crying. Since they've been doing that alot lately thru 3rd parties they sponsor.

I'm quite sure you see alot of people always complaining oh why does the paint finish so fast lol. OBVIOUSLY LESS PAINT IN THE CAN DUOH

LESS PRESSURE MEANS LESS PAINT TRUE FACT!

BMC Can probably explain this better than me.

[esar71]

@Deen is your paint out now? If so what is it called and how can I obtain some? I am always looking to support fellow New York artists , plus I have seen you comment a few times about the up coming paint and am looking for something a little closer to home for those shipping and time of delivery concerns. Thanks. I wish you the best of luck with your product....71

[esar71]

great post , I have never used either and was just thinking of which to try. The only question I have is the Sabotaz is medium pressure and I usually get premium paint for piecing and like low pressure which Ironlak is I believe . What is the medium pressure like in comparison ? 71.

[esar71]

Sounds good to me. If the paint is quality and the valve is on point, which I have no doubt it will be, I will always purchase your product before any other premium paint...71

[OnlyHuman]

Belton Molotow HP vs SABOTAZ 400ml Older Formula??
i wanna try something new and i don't wanna buy a pack of paint for nothing... some feed back please

[eelsone]

mtn 94 is tha bombbb

[esar71]

I haven't tried the sabotage yet but did just get a few Molotow high pressure and must say it's awesome. The colors are very nice and the paint covers on the 1st pass , unless your flying duster style. Then maybe you might need a few spot touch ups.The only thing I will say is if you are intending to piece with it , I would go the extra mile for the premium low pressure. They like to say you can use it to piece, but I feel I made a mistake, trying to go cheaper. Any tight detail and your gonna have problems I did. I will say though I did a fill with it to try it out and it was one of the fastest I ever did . Even faster than Rusto which surprised me. I used the Mustard and outlined it with the Blackforest green, finished and highlighted 3 letters in under 1 minute and a half, solid..71

[esar71]

I just used a can of true blue that I got rite before the valve change, so it was well into being there worst time ever,watery thin and not to solid as we all know but in my opinion depending on the way you use it some colors were still reliable. True blue, Royal blue , Ultra flat Black, and the Cherry red is still one of my favorite reds to this day. I still have a few that I use for details inside the letters or for characters. One thing you could always count on was the caps would work great. Smooth and steady spray, great for the grey dots or the gold super thin. Hope it went well for you..71

[Rustofills]

Pretty much every single can of Krylon made after 2003 is shit. But I do agree that it can still be used. But i have moved to usen Rusto more then ever for outline sence the downfall of krylon.

you can get a super close match to TrueBlue and Cherry Red with Rusto Sail Blue and SunRise Red. Pretty much the same colors.

[Gorditahead]

Belton Molotow HP vs SABOTAZ 400ml Older Formula??
i wanna try something new and i don't wanna buy a pack of paint for nothing... some feed back please

The new cans of sabatoz are very nice, and a few bucks cheaper then belton. Even with the most detailed pieces i don't see how you could want any lower pressure..

[EON 352]

All I've ever used is Rusto. And its the most reliable and durable paint out there. If you know how to mix you can make nearly any color you want.

[orarok08]

Sabotaz 80 doesn't last very long. Bought quite a bit of those cans thinking they were good. They are okay. Though one of the cans came with no propellant whatsoever. The can crushed inside my bag. Best paints so far that I used was Montana Blackline, Montana 94, Clash, and Beat. The latter being my favorite. Not many places to pick it up though.

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

bump sunrise sail blue red. rusto

[Rustofills]

bump sunrise sail blue red. rusto

You know another thing about these 2 colors that is key? When you have scraps of these and mix then together. You get the best Purple ever.

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

I dont really fuck with mixing, too lazy, but that sounds pretty promising.

[livejig]

Or try and find discontinued cans of Rusto Dark Purple? lol