Spray Paint

[Rustofills]

how is that FME wholecar a fail?

Its well done but. It's my impresion that is should say FLAME. Not F ( fire symdol ) M, E.

Would'nt it make more sense if ths wholecar said FLAME? If that's the product you are advertising?

[Europe]

Seems like the slogan is:
Get Fame with Flame


http://flame-paint.com/tl_files/flame/images/opener.jpg

[Europe]

Risk has new spraycan shop in LA
http://www.montana-cans.com/media/blogs/news/2010/1010_news/1010_Montana_Store_LA/content_Tag/IMG_008.jpg

And Kent has a new one in Frankfurt
http://www.montana-cans.com/media/blogs/news/2010/1009_news/1009_MsFFm/content/img_1163.jpg

[Rustofills]

Compare the wording especially the "made in china" part. Nearly Identical..Hell they even give a reason why its made in china lol! How disgraceful!



I can't hold the made in China fact against them. I mean, they are not a brand coming from the United States. Nor are they tring to say they're product is better then it is or better then something else. On they're site they even say, the paint is just good. Not great or the best or bla bla bla. They seem to be at very least be tring, to be as honest as they can be at this point.

As for it being made in China. Honestly I personally just dont like it. I understand why they are buying it there. It make's economical sense. But the fact is. If you know even just a little bit about the paint production world. You know that this is just Ironlak in another label.


Now with all that said. Im not going to really start hating on them, as I would give it a try. If you gave me some to try. But just like alot of other brands out there. Im not going to go out of my way.

[Rustofills]

Seems like the slogan is:
Get Fame with Flame


That makes sense. Now I understand. It looked to me that they left the L out on the Wholecar.

But really that slogan is a little gay.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

There are too many companies in China now making graffiti themed spray paints to say that it is just Ironlak in another label. Just like spray paint companies all over Europe, Chinese manufacturers have realized there is a market for spray paint in the graffiti community - now if only American manufacturers were as smart. I've looked around a lot in the US for a good supplier, they all want to sell their low budget formula and require large quantities per color at high prices. Some are not willing to work with you due to the stigma associated with graffiti, and some are willing but as soon as the word chemist is mentioned they want to get paid out the ass. I was able to find one company in the US willing to do an "aerosol art" spray paint, and one in Canada as well, but prices are always too high and minimums are as high as 3,500 cans per color. In the past I've found as little as 600 cans per color in China, and 348 cans per color in Italy. Each would allow for a larger color range at a lower cost than any of the US manufacturers - plus they already have their shit together as far as quality and performance. Just saying - there are other factors why companies decide to go with overseas manufacturers, and the only thing China has that is different is lower pricing and the stigma associated with its "made in China" stamp. To me its no wonder why Deen decided to say fuck it, roll up his sleeves, and purchase equipment, components and empty cans, and make the shit himself.

[ThaOnlyG]

Gonna pull some Oceans 11 shit on these shops.

[Europe]

NBQ spray paint

http://zapgraffiti.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/nbq-spray-paint.jpg

Website here:
http://www.nbqpro.com/

Facebook with loads of photos here:
http://es-es.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001095134852

[Europe]

From flat metal sheet to round spraycan

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs780.snc4/66028_1524729609777_1580751258_1222269_5014465_n.j pg

http://www.kobrapaint.com/it/images/cover_prodotti600ml.jpg

[Rustofills]

I do like the look of those big blacks.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

I bet you do, fag!

[DEEN XMEN]

Like I said.. You got 50K-60K Hit up China and BAM! You got yourself a spiffy brand of paint fresh off the backs of the 10 to 25 cents a hour workers!

Don't get me wrong the people of China are wonderful people, hell I've date a couple of super cool ass Chinese chiks.. have some super cool Chinese people in my Anime Club.

It's the goverment and the few who run the country that suck. Sides they got their agenda of world domination if you ain't know that by now. They want what we have!

Question though what the fuck you gonna do when someone gets cancer, dies or shit gets destroyed by some product that was made in China?

Look at all the pets that got killed by that fucked up dog treat lol!

Look at all the people that lost every fucking thing they had due to fucked up toxic dry walls.

Look at all the fucking lead in childrens jewlery. All fucking snake shit.

When things get rough BAM! The companies disappear and you are left there standing alone .. YOU'RE FUCKED!

So go ahead ruin peoples lives and destroy the world!

[Rustofills]

I bet you do, fag!
lol Oh yeah. . I loves my something big and black.. TITTIES!!!!

[DEEN XMEN]

40 DD'S for me.. I'll take flat ones too.. :)

[DEEN XMEN]

From flat metal sheet to round spraycan

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs780.snc4/66028_1524729609777_1580751258_1222269_5014465_n.j pg

http://www.kobrapaint.com/it/images/cover_prodotti600ml.jpg

Where is that paint from?

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

In an effort to try and keep this spray paint related I'll do my best.

I don't have a problem with people who want to make something new and have the entreprenual spirit. More power to em! There's a TON of new products that come out every year, some stick some don't...the Chinese spray paint may or may not. It's inspiring to see someone who can take their dream and make it reality.

On the same note: I work for an international start-up company and part of our organization is in China. These fucks have NO quality control what-so-ever. They half ass everything and their attention to detail sucks. It is no wonder the country has issues with lead, poisons, etc They have a REAL issue with internet access as well, the country cracks down on anything that is downloaded at a certain file size. Communism at it's finest.

So yeah, do your thing...just be aware of where you buy your products from.

To whom you give your money is to whom you give your power.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Kobra is from Italy, they've been around since about 2005/2006 but are just starting to really get their name out there.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

^ why is this a bad thing?

[UnOuTi]

because for the most part they are all the same...

[szr]

i notice you all are realting these crapnbramds to ironlak, so ironlak is no good? im just a rusto man never bought "graf" brands

[tha whut]

ironlak fades that my only problem

i just stick to rusto and what not

[szr]

oh how about sabatoz? they make both look so good on the oinkart youtube lol

[UnOuTi]

i love rusto...nothin better than some rusto some og krylons some artissin , a couple becks 24s and a blunt track side chillin with my homies

[szr]

haha im sure the monatana brands and the molotow is good tho

[STYLEISKING]

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

[STYLEISKING]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4153/5061087325_b19dfc9cfe_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/5059024352_7a87505fc7_m.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/5051737802_6f26bfdee5_m.jpg

[STYLEISKING]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9E9vUorqKsM/S_IzglAnXYI/AAAAAAAAA1c/vfhZPDEiZEQ/s400/izanbebe.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9E9vUorqKsM/S_IzalJy6yI/AAAAAAAAA1M/NeHBrg8Kywc/s400/izan2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9E9vUorqKsM/S_DbH9QW_7I/AAAAAAAAA08/uRHifol37Pk/s400/sabotaz.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9E9vUorqKsM/S_DbAajUJJI/AAAAAAAAA0s/IHwTRXQoAoc/s1600/sabotaz+carta+colores.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9E9vUorqKsM/S9E1xuz7GuI/AAAAAAAAAwU/4iA7-crhPGk/s400/ironlank.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9E9vUorqKsM/S8gile229PI/AAAAAAAAAvM/WO7xwhzP2aw/s1600/cartaColores.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9E9vUorqKsM/S8givh3hJYI/AAAAAAAAAvc/JOA4fCqn2I4/s1600/ironlak+spray.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9E9vUorqKsM/Syv16MhjjYI/AAAAAAAAAXQ/xZIfFHoUE_A/s1600/carta-nbq-gama-colores.jpg

[orarok08]

Kobra is really nice... picked up a six-pack of the Big Blacks and a few other cans a while back..

[orarok08]

they are the ones laying on their sides..

http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq187/orarok08/DSCF6881.jpg

[9WoN8eR]

they are the ones laying on their sides..

http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq187/orarok08/DSCF6881.jpg

this your stash?

[SCBENCH]

fuck ironlak. I've had several cans get down to about 1/2 full and then just quit working. I've also gotten cans that were brand new and just flat out didn't work. I'd take a can of rusto over it any day of the week.

[Gorditahead]

When ironlak works, it works good, but ive had too many can fail on me to spend my money on it. Not to mention the fading. Rusto covers, and its way more reliable.
If im in the mood for some fancy paint sabotaz fucking rules. Cheap and good quality. plus i dont think its made in china but someone correct me if im wrong.

[szr]

thanks for the opinions guys

[orarok08]

It's not my stash. This is a shop in ABQ. It was, last I heard, the US distributor for Stylefile, CMIYC mag, Grog ink, Beat paint, and now Kobra paint. That is just a little part of the store.

[dontlookback]

FUCK China!

[Paintin Manning]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5066196345_bc68255600.jpg

The federal purple is off the chain!

Renegade hooked up hella free shit too, shout out to them. It was a shipping problem, everything got cleared up and dude was real chill. I shall do business with them again. Dude had dropped me an email after I thought my order was complete and I guess I had to do a separate transaction to pay for my shipping which was a little strange and why my order hadn't shown up, but yeah it all worked out. The valves work with damn near every cap Ive put on them, which is awesome. I would just make sure people know you have to kinda screw them in or it could be a messy situation.

[Rustofills]

I see Artissin used my color dot idea. I feel special and like I made a contribution. lol

[Paintin Manning]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/5023344445_d32573058c.jpg

[STYLEISKING]

http://citynoise.org/upload/42258.jpg

[DEEN XMEN]

I see Artissin used my color dot idea. I feel special and like I made a contribution. lol


Of course you did! I always listen .. If it makes sense then yes its right. Just like what you stated before .. so I did it!

[DEEN XMEN]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5066196345_bc68255600.jpg

The federal purple is off the chain!

Renegade hooked up hella free shit too, shout out to them. It was a shipping problem, everything got cleared up and dude was real chill. I shall do business with them again. Dude had dropped me an email after I thought my order was complete and I guess I had to do a separate transaction to pay for my shipping which was a little strange and why my order hadn't shown up, but yeah it all worked out. The valves work with damn near every cap Ive put on them, which is awesome. I would just make sure people know you have to kinda screw them in or it could be a messy situation.

Thanks for the feedback bro.. I appreciate it.

Anything you think will help .. let me know!

[DEEN XMEN]

Stupid thing double POsted!

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Color dot FTW!

[DEEN XMEN]

Color dot FTW!


Definitely Pew!

[Renegade Art Supplies]

thanks for the support! sorry about the confusion with the shipping. i offer free shipping to all Arizona residents. hence the separate transaction for shipping. im using a pretty low end web host to host my site for the time being and they dont let me add shipping to individual states, only by country. thank you for the support!! your order is highly appreciated! next time your order will get to you a LOT faster now that you know how the shipping and checkout system works. i know its a little confusing. until i can find a better solution thats the only thing i can do. i hope you enjoyed the paint and your freebies. anytime you would liek to order please feel free to contact me first so i have a heads up and we can make sure your order gets out the same day. i also do a lot of selling on ebay. so if you would like to check my listings over there, my user name is: xohsin666x. feel free to check out my listings and my website: www.renegadeartsuppliesapparel.bigcartel.com/

[ThaOnlyG]

Renegade your site looks pretty good

[Fireball543]

I'm thinking of buying a couple cans of this Kobra 400ml as its quite cheap compared to some montana ones but I'm not sure if its any good the reviews on this website says its pretty good I was just wondering who uses it... its gonna be my first paint so I want any other reccomendations you may have.

http://www.graff-city.com/product_info.php?products_id=617

[Rustofills]

Its good.

[tha whut]

just buy or rack rusto valspar or any hardware store paint

save those expensive for when u get better

[Fireball543]

all the paint in like Homebase is the closest to me its like £6 + for one can of rust o leum and all that cheap paint but this stuff is like £3 so I thought it was better and anyway I'm crap at racking I'm shit at stealing chocolate from Tescos so I'd hate to see me stealig paint from Homebase.

[DEEN XMEN]

all the paint in like Homebase is the closest to me its like £6 + for one can of rust o leum and all that cheap paint but this stuff is like £3 so I thought it was better and anyway I'm crap at racking I'm shit at stealing chocolate from Tescos so I'd hate to see me stealig paint from Homebase.

I believe most of the people posting think you're in the States but it's obvious that you're in Eu. £3 for paint is a very good price though.. Just get some and start rocking your skills!

[freakeenyc]

against my better judgement i got free shit offa craigslist.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/5079236355_7151a8ab3b_z.jpg

[STYLEISKING]

http://img1.ilovegraffiti.de/wp-content/blogs.dir/26/files/2010/09/montanac5.jpg
whats going on?

[freakeenyc]

conspiracY!Y!!! did color basically steal a huge shipment of cans and resell em? or are they defective cans repackaged for cheaper?

[tha whut]

wich site has the cheapest shipping for spray paint?

boutta order some artissin

[DEEN XMEN]

wich site has the cheapest shipping for spray paint?

boutta order some artissin

Contact me directly .. I will give you a deal.

[email protected]

[DEEN XMEN]

whats going on?

Where is color from? Never seen it before.

[STYLEISKING]

http://www.004connec.com/graffiti_art_supplies2/images/evolve12big.jpg
http://images.quickblogcast.com/62138-54502/evolveblog3.jpg?a=84
http://images.quickblogcast.com/62138-54502/evolveblog5.jpg?a=29
The EVOLVE catalog is headlined bye the EVOLVE 400ml Premiun Art Can. Made with the highest possible quality pigments.
Non drip, low pressure, flat finish, great coverage, bright vibrant colors, fade proof and works well in all weather conditions.

The can was developed to give artists full control. Color-coded rings make it easy to identify color in cans. Comes equipped with the EVOLVE Skinny Cap.

No damage done to ozone layer with use.
FOUND HERE
http://www.004connec.com/graffiti_art_supplies2/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=1024

[boom snap clap]

for the sake of more pictures
http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/tel3phone/weird.jpg

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

http://www.004connec.com/graffiti_art_supplies2/images/evolve12big.jpg
http://images.quickblogcast.com/62138-54502/evolveblog3.jpg?a=84
http://images.quickblogcast.com/62138-54502/evolveblog5.jpg?a=29
The EVOLVE catalog is headlined bye the EVOLVE 400ml Premiun Art Can. Made with the highest possible quality pigments.
Non drip, low pressure, flat finish, great coverage, bright vibrant colors, fade proof and works well in all weather conditions.

The can was developed to give artists full control. Color-coded rings make it easy to identify color in cans. Comes equipped with the EVOLVE Skinny Cap.

No damage done to ozone layer with use.
FOUND HERE
http://www.004connec.com/graffiti_art_supplies2/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=1024

I'm not feelin the backwards E. The can label looks like an energy drink....could they put more shit on there?

That being said, it's about the paint inside...wonder how good it is.

[DEEN XMEN]

This is supposed to be an American Brand according to the description.

[Paintin Manning]

Ive heard good things about Kobra, I would pick some up next time I get Artissin...

[tha whut]

Contact me directly .. I will give you a deal.

[email protected]

aight i will when i scrape up some money together i will email you

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

This is supposed to be an American Brand according to the description.

They are careful to say "owned and distributed by an American company" - meaning its Chinese.

Doesn't say anything about the manufacturing country.

Basically its like a house/store brand for 004 Connec.

[DEEN XMEN]

Very Very deceptive wording..

Love the CFC Enviorment crap too..All Aerosols made or sold in the USA have to follow the Ozone Layer Guidline. It's the law - no CFC's duoh :)

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

I can personally guarantee you that its made in China :)

[DEEN XMEN]

"GRAFFITI: The art form as we know it today was born in NYC, USA. It has spread like a desiease, caught on and embraced by all throughout the world. It has infected everyone from the young to the old with it's ability to amaze. destruct, awe and inspire.

Although the United States is the motherland of Graff, European countries have monoplized the spray paint market by introducing their own brands over time. Since Graff was born, raised and perfected right here on American soil, we thought it was about time to create the FIRST American owned and distributed Graffiti supply brand. Specifically manufactured with the serious Graff writers in mind. EVOVLE products will not disappoint.

The EVOLVE catalog is headlined bye the EVOLVE 400ml Premiun Art Can. Made with the highest possible quality pigments.
Non drip, low pressure, flat finish, great coverage, bright vibrant colors, fade proof and works well in all weather conditions.

The can was developed to give artists full control. Color-coded rings make it easy to identify color in cans. Comes equipped with the EVOLVE Skinny Cap.

No damage done to ozone layer with use." Quoted word for word!

You'd think that some these people would have enuff brains to proof read shit before they post it..Hello spell checker here please lol! Shit you'd think you'd spell your own brand label correctly lol ..

__________________________________________________ _______________

Anyways they are liars.. They are not the 1st graffiti company to make spray paint in America.

The First is PLUTONIUM G, The Second is ARTISSIN ..

Since this paint is NOT made In AMERICA it doesn't qualify..

Not hating but I hate people trying to get props on things that are based on lies.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

first was technically Blubber, but it never really got off the ground.

[freakeenyc]

blubber's a great name...:(

[Europe]

Blubber is sponsor of MOS 2010
http://meetingofstyles.com/

[DEEN XMEN]

first was technically Blubber, but it never really got off the ground.

Yeah you're right. I totally forgot bout BLUBBER..

I"ve talked to him a few times on the phone.. cool dude to me don't know bout others.

I was rooting for him to be a hit..

So its' BLUBBER, PLUTONIUM G, ARTISSIN.. this should be correct then, if it's wrong correct me!

[DEEN XMEN]

HERE IS THE ORIGIN FOR THE ALL YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR OWN BRANDS AND THE NEW BRANDS ...

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/340095040/Graffiti_Paint_Factory.html

http://i02.i.aliimg.com/img/imagerepos/il/ik/ilikegroup/1269413590159_hz_fileserver2_244389.jpg

Save your money and head to the land of slavery and Haters of American and every other free country there is.

Communism sucks ... the wanna bees of world power china. FUCK EM

[orarok08]

I don't know about all this but I could go for a Gyro..

[slyle]

for the sake of more pictures
http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/tel3phone/weird.jpg

Fucking Ollies, now thats a great store, I got a ton of pacific blue from those spots years ago....

[Europe]

Deen, keep the charm down about China, no one want to read hateful stuff on here.

[Europe]

214 spray
http://graffitimarket.ru/img/goods/256_214.big.jpg

[Europe]

Trane spray
http://graffitimarket.ru/img/goods/281_cvetnye.big.jpg

[Europe]

The old Abro spray
http://graffitimarket.ru/img/goods/13_kraska_abro.big.jpg

[Europe]

The more revent Abro Sabotage spray
http://graffitimarket.ru/img/goods/12_kraska_abro_sabotage.big.jpg

[Chicken McFucketts]

Just found about this..
http://www.bombersbest.com/

[orarok08]

Bomber's Best has been around for awhile. Art Primo was the US distributor for awhile. Last word was they had problems with the labels meeting requirements. It was an order-by-phone paint..

[STYLEISKING]

http://getnloose.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/359168214_564ff31215_o.jpg
rackin' cans

[Rustofills]

^^Looks like Ozzy Osbourne racken cans in the 70s.

[UnOuTi]

lol could be cap

[eviltrailer77]

I always wondered how they managed to rack paint wearing them nut-tight pants back in the day, apparently the jean jacket was an essential part of the gear. LOL

[Rustofills]

Some of those denim jackets were bomb for having big pockets on the inside.

[Asian Eater]

I always wondered how they managed to rack paint wearing them nut-tight pants back in the day, apparently the jean jacket was an essential part of the gear. LOL

Being white helped.

[jib25]

^ I think that flick is from inside Sears. One of those colors is 'Loganberry' that Blade claims was the coolest shit ever, or at least his favorite color. Looks damn nice to me anyway... Dope flick!

[jib25]

OK... so a while back I mentioned I'd picked up some M94 to use for outlines, but I've always been down with Belton since about 94 strictly for outlines & details. Damn, I can't believe this but the 94 was coming out so fucking nice. I had a can of the 94 as my outline color, and Belton for my background outline, (forcefield.. whatever..), so a really good way to compare them side by side while cleaning up cuts here and there juggling between the two real quick. The result? Montana 94 let me get thinner lines and with just a little less pressure. Damn that stuff is nice, although I can't speak as to whether it fades? Anyone???

They got M94 right that's for sure. The smell is just right too, kinda like Belton. Anyway, all I'm saying is that you can tell just how much work has gone into that product. Belton is a serious heavyweight and that's what they're up against, but this 94... Dare I say I think they got it?! Plus the free cap is nice along with it being a German skinny which is my outline cap of choice.

Still got to check out Sabotaz. Always liked the way they put deals together, or color packs, constantly thinking... How would some of you heads compare Sabotaz to 94?

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Anyone confirm Valspar reformulated? New label info introduced in the mix at my local store.

[UnOuTi]

that sabo is on point...you could bomb or peice with it the pressure is effortless is you ask me(im use to colorplace and rusto and shit so any valve thats softer is graff paint to me) i wanna check out some of these new brands ...they're prob all the same though

[CAN-KILLER]

Anyone confirm Valspar reformulated? New label info introduced in the mix at my local store.


if its improved could be the new krylon

[tha whut]

try it out and compare it to the old valspar

[eviltrailer77]

if its improved could be the new krylon
Thats a pretty bold statement, it may stack up to the "newer" 3D ball, but I doubt it will ever hold a candle to good old flat ball...

[Gorditahead]

http://www.valsparspray.com/Product/pcode---4181/#application_tips
I gotta say some of these colors look tempting, lets hope they cover

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

I can vouch for the lafonda copper...super thick

Also, the gloss exotic sea is slightly lighter than AA peacock and covers pretty good

[injury]

how much is valspar? as compared to PTx2, et cetera.

[Rustofills]

I have used a few Valspars that were actually pretty nice. Im not saying which ones though.

Mostly cause my memory shit.

[Stakk]

The Lowes on my island just started carrying Valspar spray paint. My friend on another island has used it before and he says its pretty good. Im gonna buy some this weekend and give it a try. It costs $3.50 a can here, but thats Hawaii price. It must be cheaper where u guys are from

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

$3.89 here

[samauri]

I can vouch for the lafonda copper...super thick

Also, the gloss exotic sea is slightly lighter than AA peacock and covers pretty good

speaking of peacock, it hasn't been available in my area for some time now... is it discontinued everywhere? lowes was the only place that carried it untill they stopped selling AA.

[DEEN XMEN]

http://getnloose.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/359168214_564ff31215_o.jpg
rackin' cans


Most Awesome Pic!
They sell them jeans jackets at Ol' Navy!

[DEEN XMEN]

Does Krink make spray paint now?
http://www.artstore.net.au/images/uploads/aerosols/Krank_black.jpg

[tha whut]

lol try rackin with a jean jacket know

[DEEN XMEN]

lol try rackin with a jean jacket know

So true.. you'd probably be able to rack a bag of Doritoes or some Twinkies in a jeans jacket these days loL

[Schnitzel]

Krank Paint?

goddamn they are really flogging the ol' dead horse known as budget paint to death here in Australia.

after my last trip I am so montana'ing it for a while ...over 90 cans emptied and only one fuck up which was my fault for not shaking it
Plus Mahogany Montana gold is the fucking biz!

[Paintin Manning]

Used some Evolve today, it's fire. The white sort of blends with the other colors and I had to double over my shines would be the only complaint. Definitely will be ordering more, 004 Connec is fucking doing it right now between this and clash. I stay fucking off money everytime I go to their site, smart folks. The Mojito green, hill top blue, cali kush purple...All awesome.

Deen, I used the black Artissin today and idk if I got a bad can or if it is all that bad but it was terrible man. I tried shaking the shit out of it, had homies try it, etc...Nothing. Just black urine streaming down the wall. The green wasnt as thick as I would have liked but it wasnt terrible. The purple is by far the best of the 3 colors I ordered, came out great and covered fairly nice. Real thick stuff, which is good because I like my paint like my women. Peace

[marker fetish]

wich site has the cheapest shipping for spray paint?

boutta order some artissin


i order sabotaz from oinkartltd.com because its good paint for half the price of some other high end lines. PLUS the shipping is $10 flat rate for sprays. even if you order like 100 cans. Other places i wind up paying like a dollar or more per can shipping

[Paintin Manning]

How would some of you heads compare Sabotaz to 94?

I havent used 94 but I have used a few other Montana's and Sabotaz is not fucking with it but it's also half the price per can and comparable. Peace

[DEEN XMEN]

Used some Evolve today, it's fire. The white sort of blends with the other colors and I had to double over my shines would be the only complaint. Definitely will be ordering more, 004 Connec is fucking doing it right now between this and clash. I stay fucking off money everytime I go to their site, smart folks. The Mojito green, hill top blue, cali kush purple...All awesome.

Deen, I used the black Artissin today and idk if I got a bad can or if it is all that bad but it was terrible man. I tried shaking the shit out of it, had homies try it, etc...Nothing. Just black urine streaming down the wall. The green wasnt as thick as I would have liked but it wasnt terrible. The purple is by far the best of the 3 colors I ordered, came out great and covered fairly nice. Real thick stuff, which is good because I like my paint like my women. Peace

Hey you got any pics of it ? So we can see exactly what the problem is, I'm really curious to see this.

You have to take the good with the bad it's the only way you're gonna improve your product.

What caps did you use with the paint?

Thanks for your analysis and your criticism it is welcome.

[DEEN XMEN]

i order sabotaz from oinkartltd.com because its good paint for half the price of some other high end lines. PLUS the shipping is $10 flat rate for sprays. even if you order like 100 cans. Other places i wind up paying like a dollar or more per can shipping

Oink does have some great prices including the shipping. Shipping costs is the # 1 fucking killer for lots of people. You right about the almost $1 added on from other spots.

[Paintin Manning]

Hey you got any pics of it ? So we can see exactly what the problem is, I'm really curious to see this.

You have to take the good with the bad it's the only way you're gonna improve your product.

What caps did you use with the paint?

Thanks for your analysis and your criticism it is welcome.

Check your PM's. And I've used glass cleaner caps, rusto fats, etc with Artissin. Only cap I think I've used that didnt work was a cap that was typically used for euro paint. I cant remember what it was, sorry my caps are a giant clusterfuck and I'm usually high as a kite when I'm painting. But yeah the cans are compatible with most caps.

[DEEN XMEN]

I got it thanks.. getting a few opinions from the top dogs on 12oz. Whose wisdom I value very highly.

[tha whut]

i order sabotaz from oinkartltd.com because its good paint for half the price of some other high end lines. PLUS the shipping is $10 flat rate for sprays. even if you order like 100 cans. Other places i wind up paying like a dollar or more per can shipping

i ordered some sabotaz shipping was $5 a couple of days ago

the shipment came in yesterday

oink hooked me up wid a free oink monster mop and pink dots and black dots

i ordered only 5 cans came out to 25$ all together

[dontlookback]

OK... so a while back I mentioned I'd picked up some M94 to use for outlines, but I've always been down with Belton since about 94 strictly for outlines & details. Damn, I can't believe this but the 94 was coming out so fucking nice. I had a can of the 94 as my outline color, and Belton for my background outline, (forcefield.. whatever..), so a really good way to compare them side by side while cleaning up cuts here and there juggling between the two real quick. The result? Montana 94 let me get thinner lines and with just a little less pressure. Damn that stuff is nice, although I can't speak as to whether it fades? Anyone???

They got M94 right that's for sure. The smell is just right too, kinda like Belton. Anyway, all I'm saying is that you can tell just how much work has gone into that product. Belton is a serious heavyweight and that's what they're up against, but this 94... Dare I say I think they got it?! Plus the free cap is nice along with it being a German skinny which is my outline cap of choice.

Still got to check out Sabotaz. Always liked the way they put deals together, or color packs, constantly thinking... How would some of you heads compare Sabotaz to 94?

when 94 first came out there was this huge art show thing.....4 stories, 20 rooms per story. Quite a few people used that oppurtunity to try out the MTN 94 (it seemed like every room almost). the only negative thing i heard about it was that there was a slight delay when spraying (maybe when using grey dots?), but i certainly didnt notice a difference (i use only fat caps). that being said i agree, MTN 94 is awesome paint and defineately got it right. except for the smell, i just cant stand how long i smell that shit after im done. ive noticed the scented paint's smell (all scented brands) can be smelled long after youre done painting.

[100%juice]

Valspar 'Mediterranean' really isnt too bad of paint, that is if you are used to working with krylon. I rather liked it.

[ugene]

ill say it once and ill say it agin. rustooo. n kilzzzz

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

So then you won't say it once?

[Rustofills]

lol

[Paintin Manning]

Valspar 'Mediterranean' really isnt too bad of paint, that is if you are used to working with krylon. I rather liked it.

Yessir..That, summer leaf, and the new electric blue looking color I cant remember the name of go hard.

[ugene]

So then you won't say it once?

tricky bastard:p

[george carlin]

Rusto male valves got you down???????

The ANSWER!!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/12-FEMALE-NY-FAT-CAPS-TIPS-NEW-YORK-SPRAY-PAINT-RUSTO-/220687076876?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3361f98e0c

[Rustofills]

Rusto male valves got you down???????

The ANSWER!!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/12-FEMALE-NY-FAT-CAPS-TIPS-NEW-YORK-SPRAY-PAINT-RUSTO-/220687076876?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3361f98e0c

Or you could just go on TROUTARTSUPPLY.com and order these starting at 8 bucks for 50 like I do.
http://www.troutartsupply.com/product-info.php?Female_Thin_50Pk-pid5.html
http://www.troutartsupply.com/avactis-images/stormtroopasmall.jpghttp://www.troutartsupply.com/avactis-images/fthinsmall.jpg
Its much cheaper buying them from there.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Damn, dude's a little late with the answers.

[ugene]

its because hes dead. hell only has DSL

[george carlin]

Yeah you could make it yourself . . . I guarantee it won't be as consistent or as good as the ones I make. I am offering deals on bulk as well.

[george carlin]

Anyone want free samples? I will prove they are the best cap out right now for Rusto.

[DEEN XMEN]

Yeah you could make it yourself . . . I guarantee it won't be as consistent or as good as the ones I make. I am offering deals on bulk as well.

Props for doing your thing and getting your hustle on.. Respect!

We need more innovators in this country!

I'd rather and prefer always to see the little people get up!

[DEEN XMEN]

Ok I got a question:

How many of you mix flat color paint with gloss paint.

Not in terms of mixing in a can now.

I mean when you're painting/bombing/piecing.

Encounter any problems?

Seems there tends to be cracking.. Thoughts please or experiences.

[Chicken McFucketts]

On your paint or in general? Certain paint brands react with others before drying, that's all I know.

[DEEN XMEN]

On your paint or in general? Certain paint brands react with others before drying, that's all I know.


I mean in general.. and yes you're 100% right. I have every single brand there is here and 90% all cracked! I'm assuming its the texture or composition of the flats that they crack.

Thanks for the response it is appreciated.

[DEEN XMEN]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs923.snc4/73635_157872894250928_100000846554425_272033_59027 65_n.jpg

Will come with Artissin from now on forward

Those caps are wicked for fills and flares!

www.troutartsupply.com

[Paintin Manning]

Word, I think that will be an improvement over the stock tip.

[Rustofills]

Thats trully a killa combo of a idea you got there dean xmen.

[DEEN XMEN]

Thats trully a killa combo of a idea you got there dean xmen.

Yes sir MIGHTY RUSTO!

[DEEN XMEN]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs930.snc4/74388_158153584222859_100000846554425_273045_37378 55_n.jpg

WHOOOO!

ARTISSIN N' BOSTON FATS!! KILLER COMBO!

Killer combo ©RUSTOFILLS all rights reserved!

[dontlookback]

Or you could just go on TROUTARTSUPPLY.com and order these starting at 8 bucks for 50 like I do.
http://www.troutartsupply.com/product-info.php?Female_Thin_50Pk-pid5.html
http://www.troutartsupply.com/avactis-images/stormtroopasmall.jpghttp://www.troutartsupply.com/avactis-images/fthinsmall.jpg
Its much cheaper buying them from there.

because the new york fats are an all round better cap.

[Rustofills]

I agree NY fats are great caps. Always have been. But we are not talking about NY FATS alone in this case. We are talking altered NY fats at a high price.

[CAN-KILLER]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs930.snc4/74388_158153584222859_100000846554425_273045_37378 55_n.jpg

WHOOOO!

ARTISSIN N' BOSTON FATS!! KILLER COMBO!

Killer combo ©RUSTOFILLS all rights reserved!



best cap ive ever used. where do you cop artissin at?

[UnOuTi]

artissin on yhe boston thin is crackk too. never used the fats ever looking forward too it though

[STYLEISKING]

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color feast for ya eyes

[DEEN XMEN]

Tall cans are very very very inconsistant.. failure rate for them is almost 55%!

What's this spider effect stuff bout? Anyone knows?

Sheesh more n more gimmicks, next thing you know all these cans will come with a free inspector gadget mini me soon lol!

Whatever happened to just plain ol' spray paint and doing your own art work.. looks like these days you can buy skills with gimmicky stuff!

[DEEN XMEN]

best cap ive ever used. where do you cop artissin at?

CAN-KILLER Left you a PM!

[DEEN XMEN]

Some nice flicks in that post Style!

[dontlookback]

Tall cans are very very very inconsistant.. failure rate for them is almost 55%!


tall cans of what? everyday hardware store paint? or anything over 400ml?

by that math over half of evry tall can ive got has been a failure. that doesnt seem right.

[Schnitzel]

What's this spider effect stuff bout? Anyone knows?
[/B]

I had it explained to me it's something to do with the paint they use on the inside of car boots would you believe? for painting the reinforced cardboard

yeah i was kind of stumped as well but apparently it's true

[injury]

deen you're right again... shit's a gimmick.
http://www.montana-cans.com/products/cans/spider200ml/montana-spider-200ml

PLUS... i got you next payday!
i need to fix my paypal account, its something with my bank... dumb.

[DEEN XMEN]

deen you're right again... shit's a gimmick.
http://www.montana-cans.com/products/cans/spider200ml/montana-spider-200ml

PLUS... i got you next payday!
i need to fix my paypal account, its something with my bank... dumb.


Thanks injury..

Link pretty much explained everything..

Wow lol! That is kind of cool in its own way.. it's like silly stringy stuff.

Seriously don't think it's worth the money personally.

[DEEN XMEN]

tall cans of what? everyday hardware store paint? or anything over 400ml?

by that math over half of evry tall can ive got has been a failure. that doesnt seem right.

Was talking bout speciality cans over 400ml I should of clarified that my bad.

Specifically overseas paint. Rusto has it on point.

[DEEN XMEN]

All rusto tall cans usually suck too though.

Honestly I"m not really thrilled at all by tall cans I think they are kind of gimmicky and the pressure isn't always right or some other shit goes wrong with them.

Rusto tall cans I"ve used about 20 in total over time.. I'd say I took back like 8 of them and got them switched out for 1 problem or the other.

If you buy them in the store and they go bad its easy to switch out. The people that buy these cans online though .. what are they gonna do? It's just too pricey to ship back and blah blah..

[EON 352]

I used a lot of Rusto Industrial tall cans last year.
I had to chuck a good bit of the flat black ones that still had about 1/4 of paint left in the can, because there would be no propellent left.
The only color that was consistent and i miss using elmers on, was the Flat White.
Even with the valve changes. At least Kilz still have female valves on their White Primer.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Had to rig this tall Rusto blue can to work. Smacking it on the ground upside down, leaving it overnight. Shit was a pain in the ass. Finally got it to work though.

[Rustofills]

I used a lot of Rusto Industrial tall cans last year.
I had to chuck a good bit of the flat black ones that still had about 1/4 of paint left in the can, because there would be no propellent left.
The only color that was consistent and i miss using elmers on, was the Flat White.
Even with the valve changes. At least Kilz still have female valves on their White Primer.


Its to bad you chucked them. You could of heated them up and got most of the left over paint out. Mixing style.

[Rustofills]

Had to rig this tall Rusto blue can to work. Smacking it on the ground upside down, leaving it overnight. Shit was a pain in the ass. Finally got it to work though.

Standard issue problem with almost any thick paint that sits for a while and not just the 25% extra cans. The valves jam up with pigment. It happens more on the tall boys because the valve line inside the can is about 1 and a half to 2 inchs longer. It happens all the time.

[Gorditahead]

i have emptied alot of those 33% more cans, a bunch of rusto professional tall cans, and a few montana talls and never had a problem.

[george carlin]

I agree NY fats are great caps. Always have been. But we are not talking about NY FATS alone in this case. We are talking altered NY fats at a high price.

Sounds to me like you are the owner of trout art supply judging from your posts following mine around on here. We are talking about NY fats that are altered very carefully by hand, by an artist. That takes time and effort both of which are valuable. These are not "knockoff" caps they are the real deal. Oh and much cheaper when purchased in bulk. And I don't charge for shipping on orders of 50 or more. These storm trooper caps are really like 10 dollars for 50 caps that may or may not be as good as a New York Fat cap.
At this price I am not really making much money per hour of work put in

http://cgi.ebay.com/50-FEMALE-NY-FAT-CAPS-TIPS-NEW-YORK-SPRAY-PAINT-RUSTO-/220687503520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33620010a0

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

George, he's not the owner, just a believer. Do your thing.

[Rustofills]

Sounds to me like you are the owner of trout art supply judging from your posts following mine around on here. We are talking about NY fats that are altered very carefully by hand, by an artist. That takes time and effort both of which are valuable. These are not "knockoff" caps they are the real deal. Oh and much cheaper when purchased in bulk. And I don't charge for shipping on orders of 50 or more. These storm trooper caps are really like 10 dollars for 50 caps that may or may not be as good as a New York Fat cap.
At this price I am not really making much money per hour of work put in

http://cgi.ebay.com/50-FEMALE-NY-FAT-CAPS-TIPS-NEW-YORK-SPRAY-PAINT-RUSTO-/220687503520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33620010a0

Why so defencive? Look man. Your caps are over priced and you cant run around acting like you just brought something new to the table. Claming to have the answer to all are female cap problems. Drilled out NY Fats have been around for years. Actually. I stated all you need to do was drill them out over a year ago, or make a home made adapter. As for the posts you are making. You posted your personal ebay add on multiple threads that I read everyday. You are pretty much SPAMMING the oonts. As you sat down at your computer and sad the same thing on a few threads with in a few minutes. All with links to a ebay listing. Which I see you have changed a little. Not hating on you man, I was just saying it how it is. You shouldnt get worked up over it. Nor should you think you are the only one with a answer to female valves. Do your thing.

Now I said it once and I am saying it again. Drilled out NY FATS are not the only answer for the male valve issue. Theres about 4 or 5 things I can think of to get around them. Just saying

[OinkArtLtdDotCom]

On the cool George/anyone else if looking for people to push any male valve orientated product towards, this probably is not your best venue, as the majority of people commenting on this thread are avid TAS customers. Nothing wrong with that just something to be realistic about. i likewise wouldn't suggest pushing other products in the Comments on my videos - chances are the crowd there won't go for it, etc.

German Montana 600ml Black Line Extended cans are the most amazing chrome and black ever in 600ml size. They spray super high pressure from beginning to end, literally the last spray will come out as fast and as wide as the beginning. Now, it's very expensive, so expensive i've used literally less than 30 in my life, and i sell it (drop shipped, not in stock here, or i'd fiend and use it all myself). And before you say to yourself "ah he doesn't even use cans he's not a real writer" - trust me - i empty the cans & would be in something much more lucrative if i was solely in it for the moo-lah. For me this is about paint.

Point being there are some 600ml's that are truly champion and worth using, will make your experience faster and with less cans.

BigMetalCircus holler at me one more again i'm getting all my shit straightened out super proper like and you and i need to make some moves together. I'm ready to go all in at this point partner. Holler.

[BlackDosOnces]

Standard issue problem with almost any thick paint that sits for a while and not just the 25% extra cans. The valves jam up with pigment. It happens more on the tall boys because the valve line inside the can is about 1 and a half to 2 inchs longer. It happens all the time.

i'm currently dealing with this problem

i had about 150 cans of paint stored at a relatives house that I kind of forgot about

well they moved recently and told me to come pick up my paint

half rusto half old krylon

krylon works fine

all this paint is from like 06-07 and the rusto no matter how much I shake it is kind of useless

the stock cap works fine but put a rusto fat on these cans and not only will the cap immediately clog but as soon as I stop pressing on it it comes rocketing back off the can

usually I only get clogs on rusto fats near the end of a can where there is not enough pressure and I can clear them quick with a fresh can, not the case here, cap is locked

sucks, useless, whatever, spoiled

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

^ Def not useless.

Turn the can upside down and smack it a few times on the ground. Not a tap, really smack it. Let it sit upside down for a day or two and come back and see if it works.

[george carlin]

Thank you for the advice. I know anyone can make these and it sounds like the can adapter on oink and the Storm trooper are totally legit. I am basically just trying to offer a service that isn't offered anymore. I figured out how to make these when I saw the YL cap when it first came out.

Those 600ml German Montana chrome and black are the ONLY German Montana cans that are worth it. Totally legit! with a pink dot they are totally sick and even the last tag is high pressure just like you said.

[Rustofills]

i'm currently dealing with this problem

i had about 150 cans of paint stored at a relatives house that I kind of forgot about

well they moved recently and told me to come pick up my paint

half rusto half old krylon

krylon works fine

all this paint is from like 06-07 and the rusto no matter how much I shake it is kind of useless

the stock cap works fine but put a rusto fat on these cans and not only will the cap immediately clog but as soon as I stop pressing on it it comes rocketing back off the can

usually I only get clogs on rusto fats near the end of a can where there is not enough pressure and I can clear them quick with a fresh can, not the case here, cap is locked

sucks, useless, whatever, spoiled


Again this is a common issue with the thicker paints if they sit for a few years. The clogging is from the pigment and so on collecting in the valve and at the bottom of the can. This is why leaving cans stored for long periods of time on they're sides or slightly tilted ( like in a paint rack ) can be key to long term storage.

As you noticed the 06 07 krylons are fine. Thats because the standard Krylon formula has less pigment or more thinner in the mix. maybe both.

A remedy to these clogged valves is actually very simple. If the cans still holds propellant.
Here's what to do.

Tip all the cans on they're lid and let sit for a day or 2. This is to let the built up sludge like paint in the can that's lose enough to move on its own by normal force of gravity while being flip up side down. After a day has passed. Shake the shit out of them all and store what ever your not going to use that day on its sides.

Now when you go to use some of these cans. You need to tap them on the head to help get the vavles unclogged.
Take the cap off, hold the can upside down and tap the top of the can on something hard a few time. ( Not to much force, you dont want to warp the valve head or worse have it pop. )
Take a "RUSTO FAT CAP" and blast the shit from the valve line out. Repeat as necessary until the paint runs smooth. You might go through a couple of caps. But big deal. You save a can.

Once the can sprays shake the shit out of it again. Get that old built up sludgr of pigment and what not mixing together.

If you still cant get it to spray. Then it could be the propellant has leaked out. That pretty much is the end of the line for most cans. But You can still gut the bitch and drain it for its paint.

Its really all common sense.
What happens in the can from sitting is all the heavy particles accumulate at the bottom of the can. Its a natural process and the heavier particles will end up at the absolute very bottom. Imagine it in the can as a soil sample you might see on the discovery channel. Were you see from the side of the sample, lines of slightly different shades of the same color staked up on them selfs. Thats pretty much what the paint is doing inside the can. What also happens and is very common. Is a tiny amount of air remains logged in the valve and drys the paint in the area in which it is. THis is from the filling process. Thats what you are tapping out. Again once you get it spraying shake it up real good.

One other trick to clearing the valve line is. Blow the clog in buy mixing some other paint into it. Best result is if you use a super heated up scrap can that is pretty much empty of all paint. Do it just like if you were mixing any other spray paint. That little bit of extra propellant you are adding isnt going to effect anything pressure wise for the most part. But this method is for the more experienced paint mixer.

Now in accordance with the standard way of just being. When reading these threads "and take no personal offence".
Go fuck your self. Thank you and Good luck.

[Rustofills]

George, he's not the owner, just a believer. Do your thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuBREMXxts

[tha whut]

herd the grey color place covers good

i think i read it on here but is it true?

thinkin bout doin sum grey fills wid it

[tha whut]

thats the plan

[Asian Eater]

herd the grey color place covers good

i think i read it on here but is it true?

thinkin bout doin sum grey fills wid it

It does the job for a dollar can. I like it. Not many writers do the whole black fill-in with a gray outline thing.

[BlackDosOnces]

wow, didn't expect a well thought out and legit response

see how this works

shits def still have propellant and at this point they're just extras so oh well if nothing happens

http://i52.tinypic.com/t8mg7k.jpg

[injury]

I have a spot for 10 year old krylons and they dont even need that much treatment - they're still thin enough that they can be used on their own. just clear out the tube with a lot of shaking and a stock. rusto i cant speak on from experience.

edit: is that mountain view krylon? (in the middle on that shelf)
Love that shit.

[BlackDosOnces]

it's not the krylon i was turning over specifically, it's the rusto, krylon was just there so I figured why not turn it

like I said the rusto works fine with the stock but doesn't seem to clear at all, immediately clogs other caps

and no not mountain view, bahama sea shit, not that great, mountain view would be preferable

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Ha! Rustofills got you to turn over all your cans!

I've used a lot of old stock and sometimes my stock sits around a while. Another trick especially with Rusto is to take a rusto fat, put it in and spray, rotate the cap in the valve right or left and spray the can at a 45 degree angle downward while doing so. This usually clears things up for me.

[DEEN XMEN]

Ha! Rustofills got you to turn over all your cans!

I've used a lot of old stock and sometimes my stock sits around a while. Another trick especially with Rusto is to take a rusto fat, put it in and spray, rotate the cap in the valve right or left and spray the can at a 45 degree angle downward while doing so. This usually clears things up for me.



This kind of Reminded me of the Leaky Valve situation..Had to kind of do the same thing.

When paint sits so long since paint is an emulsion the solids in this case pigments lay dormant at the bottom of the cans for so long, this scenario.


You guys are all on point with your problem solving skills thats for sure..

That's why 12oz rocks.. we got people like all of you here.

[Europe]

Best tall can out there...
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[UnOuTi]

Best tall can out there...
http://www.4graffiti.co.uk/shop/images/uploads/molotow_burner.jpg

yes!

[east_este]

[/QUOTE]
Anyways they are liars.. They are not the 1st graffiti company to make spray paint in America.

The First is PLUTONIUM G, The Second is ARTISSIN ..

Since this paint is NOT made In AMERICA it doesn't qualify..

Not hating but I hate people trying to get props on things that are based on lies.[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Pluto G may have been made in America but it was all funded thru Chinese investors & the "owner" is a hose. More concerned with creating a player style image for himself then promoting the artform of Graffiti. Thank GOD it sprayed 360 degrees tho! I cant even count the times I was hanging upside down on a rooftop or in a subway tunnel trying to get my paint to work... sheesh!

[004CONNEC]

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[DEEN XMEN]

Anyways they are liars.. They are not the 1st graffiti company to make spray paint in America.

The First is PLUTONIUM G, The Second is ARTISSIN ..

Since this paint is NOT made In AMERICA it doesn't qualify..

Not hating but I hate people trying to get props on things that are based on lies.[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Pluto G may have been made in America but it was all funded thru Chinese investors & the "owner" is a hose. More concerned with creating a player style image for himself then promoting the artform of Graffiti. Thank GOD it sprayed 360 degrees tho! I cant even count the times I was hanging upside down on a rooftop or in a subway tunnel trying to get my paint to work... sheesh![/QUOTE]

Interesting insight there East_Este I don't know the guy personally but I've seen a few wierd videos of him if indeed that is him on YouTube. I did hear the same story as well from people actually in the business.

As for my what you quoted from me it is wrong:

The First American company to actually make spray for artists in AMERICA is BLUBBER Paints.

Then come everything else after that.

[DEEN XMEN]

Anyways they are liars.. They are not the 1st graffiti company to make spray paint in America.

The First is PLUTONIUM G, The Second is ARTISSIN ..

Since this paint is NOT made In AMERICA it doesn't qualify..

Not hating but I hate people trying to get props on things that are based on lies.[/B][/COLOR]

Pluto G may have been made in America but it was all funded thru Chinese investors & the "owner" is a hose. More concerned with creating a player style image for himself then promoting the artform of Graffiti. Thank GOD it sprayed 360 degrees tho! I cant even count the times I was hanging upside down on a rooftop or in a subway tunnel trying to get my paint to work... sheesh![/QUOTE]

Interesting insight there East_Este I don't know the guy personally but I've seen a few wierd videos of him if indeed that is him on YouTube. I did hear the same story as well from people actually in the business.

As for my what you quoted from me it is wrong:

The First American company to actually make spray for artists in AMERICA is BLUBBER Paints.

Then come everything else after that:

2. PLUTO G - R.I.P.

3. ARTISSIN

[NoLossEnds]

Yeah there was a fuck up in description, still good shit! Listen to the people that have used it and not the haters. Free shipping on all orders over $50.00.
http://www.004connec.com/graffiti_art_supplies2/images/evolve12big.jpg

I was painting with some kats last week that got some of this shit. 2 out of 10 cans popped. It smelled a little like Ironlak. It didn't say anywhere on the can where it was made. Color selection wasn't bad. I didnt bother to even spray it. I had no interest. Just the smell alone turned me off to it. Nice can design though.

Although I was not impressed with what I saw from it over all. I still might give it a chance. So I'm not hating.

[eviltrailer77]

Grabbed a can of Sabotaz off the shelf today (blood red) and the fucker was "flat". Lost all pressure. I had used maybe about a quarter of it on some details like 3 months ago, so I know it was good at one point. Any of y'all had this shit happen w/ Sabotaz?

[orarok08]

Yeah. Ordered a couple of 6-packs. 2 out of the litter could be squeezed with little effort. The other problem was that the can started sputtering 2/3rds of the way.

[eviltrailer77]

Up until today I had had zero complaints. I think some of the problem is my stinginess with fancy paint. I stretch that shit out, only use a bit here and there.

[dontlookback]

Up until today I had had zero complaints. I think some of the problem is my stinginess with fancy paint. I stretch that shit out, only use a bit here and there.

then why bother?!

[STYLEISKING]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/5133565792_42701df186.jpg

[Schnitzel]

swifty the typographer?

[injury]

then why bother?!

Probably because he doesn't like blowing $45 per piece when other paints are cheaper and easier to get.

[DEEN XMEN]

Probably because he doesn't like blowing $45 per piece when other paints are cheaper and easier to get.

Well said INJURY!

These days price/cost is a significant factor in the ways of a writer/artist.

[DEEN XMEN]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/5133565792_42701df186.jpg

This guy did a incredible job on photoshop/manipulating a pic!

[eelsone]

Good


http://razorpaint.com/home.jpg


Bad


http://razorpaint.com/images/400ml.jpg

[Lemonjello Jones]

So many brands coming out.... The only fancy paint I've ever liked is that montana hardcore, and i'll only use that for highlights/outlines. Still gotta get some of that artissin though.

[dontlookback]

Razor silver is crap.

[jib25]

Razor Paint can design is puke.. Evolve takes the cake tho'.. Damn those label designs are ugly. Not sure I could paint with those plus a hangover..

[eelsone]

In my opinion Molotow is the best allround

[Rustofills]

I personally dont give two fucks, how a can looks. As long as it works well. You know the old saying." You dont fuck the face." Thats pretty much the samething.

[Lemonjello Jones]

Hahaha yup. All the lame designs sure turn me off to the paint though. They should just be simple like a stops rust can. No need for a weird logo and handstyles all over the damn thing.

[eviltrailer77]

I personally dont give two fucks, how a can looks. As long as it works well. You know the old saying." You dont fuck the face." Thats pretty much the samething.

I agree with almost everything you said man, the flashiest looking cans in the world ain't shit without good paint in em. But here is where I disagree... Sometimes "fucking the face" is the best part!

[Rustofills]

I agree with almost everything you said man, the flashiest looking cans in the world ain't shit without good paint in em. But here is where I disagree... Sometimes "fucking the face" is the best part!


I know and agree. I want it to be known. I was only quoten a well known saying..Personally I am all about fucking the face. Im talking Dirty suck it and gag bitch style. Fallowed up with a oh yeah slut, im dropping loads on your tonsils. You know what I mean? :crazy:

[eviltrailer77]

I call it making em sing the "guk-guk" song. gukgukguk,slurpgukgukguk....

And to stay on topic, it seems to me that the formula of velspar has been changed up, i have been fucking w/ it some latly and its not trash anymore.

[eviltrailer77]

double post

[Rustofills]

Valspar has slowly made steps toward being a good solid brand. Lets see if they keep up with it.

[tha whut]

they prolly went on 12oz and read the all the shit about them

wat colors are good

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

^ Look at the can design, the good formula has a different design with red text near the top indicating a better coverage. They're slowly introducing it into the mix at my local store.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

yeah, that or 2X PT was kicking their ass.

[eviltrailer77]

That could very well be the case.

The Velspar colors I can vouch for: Summer Leaf, La Fonda Copper, New Avocado, Hubble Golden Maize, and Sumptuous Purple.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

I'll second La Fonda, plus she was Kip's love interest in Napoleon Dynamite.

[Paintin Manning]

3rd la fonda...

But the new Gloss Exotic Sea is fucking phenomenal..

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

I agree color wise, but its a definite 2 coater if you're trying to do anything solid.

[CAN-KILLER]

hey just wondering to see what ways you guys mess with pressure in cans i usually dump some out is their any other ways to make cans lower pressure?

[DISORDERLY_CONDUCT]

That could very well be the case.

The Velspar colors I can vouch for: Summer Leaf, La Fonda Copper, New Avocado, Hubble Golden Maize, and Sumptuous Purple.

none of these colors have been available to me, but i tried the chrome and its honestly
not the worst paint ive used as far as the chrome goes

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

^
The colors have been dropping over the last 2 months at Lowes. How is the Valspar flat black - anyone use it?

[Grasp]

http://imgur.com/mLYPn.jpg

really?

[tha whut]

werddd

[eviltrailer77]

none of these colors have been available to me, but i tried the chrome and its honestly
not the worst paint ive used as far as the chrome goes

I picked up a grip of the Velspar Basic Color silver on "clearance", $1 each, shits nice for the price.

[Santana Black&Mild]

valspar sucks.....why bother with anything less than painters touch 2x coverage?!

[InfraRed]

I bought some Sabotaz and it clogged a bunch of caps
Flashy ass can and in the end I'd rather have some Rusto
I don't think any new brands of spray paint that don't end up sucking will ever come out

[injury]

CAUSE PTx2 BLACK SUCKS.. WATERY, DRIPPY, DISGUSTING.

[tha whut]

pt x2 flat black is fine for me

[Santana Black&Mild]

CAUSE PTx2 BLACK SUCKS.. WATERY, DRIPPY, DISGUSTING.

did you try shaking it!? i personally feel that pt 2x coverage is better than the stops rust line.

[Schnitzel]

I don't think any new brands of spray paint that don't end up sucking will ever come out
crappy carpenter and all that

you obviously have no idea.....

[Stakk]

CAUSE PTx2 BLACK SUCKS.. WATERY, DRIPPY, DISGUSTING.

PT2x flat black works real good for me. Its real thick. You need to shake it for a few minutes. One minute is not enough. PT2x is the only paint i use. Thats all they sell here. I like it better than regular rusto, plus the color selection is great. My only complaint is the pressure. But Im used to it now.

[injury]

maybe i'm indeed missing something.. i'll get back to yall.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

No, the Gloss is indeed kind of crap, especially compared to the Stops Rust line and even the old regular PT with the normal valves. I feel the exact same way about the new PT2X gloss white also. In my neck of the woods, Home Depot carries Krylon 360 - needless to say I haven't "shopped" there in years. If I want 2x I gotta drive to the next state over.

[DISORDERLY_CONDUCT]

well to "shop" i also have to travel to the next state for different reasons then availability.
i honestly dont use any kind of gloss paint, its horrible really flat black is the way to go and the painters touch 2x
isnt bad at all better than valspar but like i said ive only used the silver

[DEEN XMEN]

hey just wondering to see what ways you guys mess with pressure in cans i usually dump some out is their any other ways to make cans lower pressure?

Yeah get a drill and drill a hole at the side of the can! LOL! j/k!

All you need to do is just flip the can upside down tilt it slightly towards you and press the nozzle down on the floor. If done properly you can release as much pressure as you want without paint loss.

Just make sure you don't do it too much cuz then the paint will stay stuck in the can with no way out.

[DEEN XMEN]

I bought some Sabotaz and it clogged a bunch of caps
Flashy ass can and in the end I'd rather have some Rusto
I don't think any new brands of spray paint that don't end up sucking will ever come out


How long ago did you buy these cans? Thick paint will always clog certain caps especially grey dots .. sheesh those caps clog quickly with any paints!

Sabotaz is definitely worth the $3.95 - $4 assuming that's what you paid for it.

[DEEN XMEN]

well to "shop" i also have to travel to the next state for different reasons then availability.
i honestly dont use any kind of gloss paint, its horrible really flat black is the way to go and the painters touch 2x
isnt bad at all better than valspar but like i said ive only used the silver

Gloss paints never go good with flat paints. Tends to crack alot amongst other things.

[eelsone]

Yo deen will artissin be shipping to Australia any time soon? Im keen to try it out

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

http://lifehacker.com/5660420/recharge-an-aerosol-can-with-an-air-compressor

Anyone ever tried this with paint?

[DEEN XMEN]

Yo deen will artissin be shipping to Australia any time soon? Im keen to try it out

It's kind of tough for such a small company like mines. For it to be possible you'd have to ship a container and I'm very very far from that in all aspects. I have learned to say never say never though so you never know.

[DEEN XMEN]

http://lifehacker.com/5660420/recharge-an-aerosol-can-with-an-air-compressor

Anyone ever tried this with paint?

You can't pump air into paints Pew.. it will cause it to dry up.

[tha whut]

sabotaz always cloggs these fuckin black dots i hate them

but sabotaz is some ggood shit except when u doin a fillin and u breathe it in and it burns your lungs lol that shit smells terrible but ehh fuck it

[Schnitzel]

takes away your ability to spell and punctuate..

[sausage party]

quick dumb question; found a can of montana gold. do any regular caps work on it or do i have to find/buy gay montana only caps

[tha whut]

regular caps work on it u dont only need montana caps

[STYLEISKING]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c28/cstunts/bf149088.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c28/cstunts/2bd084f8.jpg
Right, there’s the paint in my patented and non scientific test: “Cunning is too lazy to shake the tins or wait for paint to dry…does it still come out ok?”
…and the answer is… Yes. Obviously. Oh and while the glare from the flash on the wet paint might suggest otherwise, it is actually a matt finish when it dries.
Even that light yellow came out nice and punchy. Definitely good coverage and nice thick paint. Controllable thin lines with the standard caps and the white covered well too. Have a look at the video here to see it in action.
Still no closer to figuring out the factory of origin as the details on the can only give the address of the distribution centre in Barcelona. So using my unrivalled powers of detection I’d say it’s Spanish.
Anyway it covers well, comes in 50 colours and I can happily recommend it as a good alternative to the main brands.
You can check out the whole range for yourself here.

[STYLEISKING]

http://artprimo.com/catalog/images/blog/showroom-paint-rack.jpg

[STYLEISKING]

http://www.ultracolor.com.au/images/IMGP5558a.jpg

[dontlookback]

http://artprimo.com/catalog/images/blog/showroom-paint-rack.jpg

Nice Rack

http://media.picfor.me/00118AABE/belle-tette-e-tettone-blonde-GB-hot-Boobs-Huge-Tits-Eva-Wyrall_large.jpg

[dontlookback]

never expected a pair of titties to kill a thread.

[Rustofills]

Ha, Its not dead. Its just resting.

[DEEN XMEN]

http://www.ultracolor.com.au/images/IMGP5558a.jpg

Could be the Australian version of Krylon.. same tip as well!

I am working with a company over there, not sure what will happen. If goes well the paint will be made there specifically for that region.

[Smokey Chuck]

Sweet!

[Juca]

Again this is a common issue with the thicker paints if they sit for a few years. The clogging is from the pigment and so on collecting in the valve and at the bottom of the can. This is why leaving cans stored for long periods of time on they're sides or slightly tilted ( like in a paint rack ) can be key to long term storage.

As you noticed the 06 07 krylons are fine. Thats because the standard Krylon formula has less pigment or more thinner in the mix. maybe both.

A remedy to these clogged valves is actually very simple. If the cans still holds propellant.
Here's what to do.

Tip all the cans on they're lid and let sit for a day or 2. This is to let the built up sludge like paint in the can that's lose enough to move on its own by normal force of gravity while being flip up side down. After a day has passed. Shake the shit out of them all and store what ever your not going to use that day on its sides.

Now when you go to use some of these cans. You need to tap them on the head to help get the vavles unclogged.
Take the cap off, hold the can upside down and tap the top of the can on something hard a few time. ( Not to much force, you dont want to warp the valve head or worse have it pop. )
Take a "RUSTO FAT CAP" and blast the shit from the valve line out. Repeat as necessary until the paint runs smooth. You might go through a couple of caps. But big deal. You save a can.

Once the can sprays shake the shit out of it again. Get that old built up sludgr of pigment and what not mixing together.

If you still cant get it to spray. Then it could be the propellant has leaked out. That pretty much is the end of the line for most cans. But You can still gut the bitch and drain it for its paint.

Its really all common sense.
What happens in the can from sitting is all the heavy particles accumulate at the bottom of the can. Its a natural process and the heavier particles will end up at the absolute very bottom. Imagine it in the can as a soil sample you might see on the discovery channel. Were you see from the side of the sample, lines of slightly different shades of the same color staked up on them selfs. Thats pretty much what the paint is doing inside the can. What also happens and is very common. Is a tiny amount of air remains logged in the valve and drys the paint in the area in which it is. THis is from the filling process. Thats what you are tapping out. Again once you get it spraying shake it up real good.

One other trick to clearing the valve line is. Blow the clog in buy mixing some other paint into it. Best result is if you use a super heated up scrap can that is pretty much empty of all paint. Do it just like if you were mixing any other spray paint. That little bit of extra propellant you are adding isnt going to effect anything pressure wise for the most part. But this method is for the more experienced paint mixer.

Now in accordance with the standard way of just being. When reading these threads "and take no personal offence".
Go fuck your self. Thank you and Good luck.

Thanks for this post!

[Juca]

Ive heard good things about Kobra, I would pick some up next time I get Artissin...

bro,its junk with chinese valve,krylon and rusto,they will eat kobra trust me...

[DEEN XMEN]

bro,its junk with chinese valve,krylon and rusto,they will eat kobra trust me...

Quite interesting.. Thanks for sharing JUCA!

I still do want to try some out .. but @ $8-9 USD a can doubt if I'll buy it out here.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Deen and Juca,

Kobra is Italian and made in Italy. I've spoken to the sales people behind it and they have a legitimate factory and equipment.

[STYLEISKING]

http://capmatchescolor.com/images/Ads/a_plasti1.jpg
http://blog.imerda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/cmc_merda_paint_web.jpg
http://blog.imerda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/cmc_merda_accent_web.jpg
http://www.capmatchescolor.com/f_collections.html

[orarok08]

Quite interesting.. Thanks for sharing JUCA!

I still do want to try some out .. but @ $8-9 USD a can doubt if I'll buy it out here.

Kobra works great. Haven't had a single problem so far and its opaque for sure. My man Smooch is the US distributor for Kobra. We shot the breeze over paints, since he carries different brands. No way it should cost that high. I bought mine a little over $5 a can.

[MyWay]

Could be the Australian version of Krylon.. same tip as well!

I am working with a company over there, not sure what will happen. If goes well the paint will be made there specifically for that region.

Aussie Krylon??
Don't think so, just like Aussie Exports. Male can, nice wedge tip, good pressure for bombing.
Anybody in Argentina or Uruguay ever used Kuwait Graff? www.pinturaskuwait.com.ar Argentinian company, still in its inception but pretty good overall. Comes with 3 caps, 2 of em are actually any good. Not as thick as Montana hardcore but still pretty sweet and about 10 colours out at the mo. I been happy so far. Feedback

[DEEN XMEN]

Aussie Krylon??
Don't think so, just like Aussie Exports. Male can, nice wedge tip, good pressure for bombing.
Anybody in Argentina or Uruguay ever used Kuwait Graff? www.pinturaskuwait.com.ar Argentinian company, still in its inception but pretty good overall. Comes with 3 caps, 2 of em are actually any good. Not as thick as Montana hardcore but still pretty sweet and about 10 colours out at the mo. I been happy so far. Feedback

My boy and close friend ZEAR XMEN FC TC5 pushes that paint out his shop in Argentina.

Zear told me bout the paint even got his own color. It's pretty good stuff.

Companies have to start somewhere and work upwards. If they are smart they listen to their customers.

Far as Australia goes I am talking to 2 companies there to make some paint for that region. I should have my samples soon enough. If the paint is good it will have a female valve probably the same as the GoldLines / MTN94 or something quite similar.

It is not set in stone but it is a possibility.