Spray Paint

[a mutant rancor]

everyone i talked to says that ironlak is horrible doesnt cover well doesnt last long.... and just all around sucks

yeah its not great ay but gets the job done, but my caps always get clogged super quick, don't know whats up with that. hopefully the new cans are better

[STYLEISKING]

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff297/damo_115/ironlak.gif
^^^^shake well,use a fatcap to get the first pigments out
and your caps wont clog up....ironlak works fine!

[Stakk]

http://c0013909.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_7ba89d0

[Schnitzel]

seriously^^ how many brands are there now?

[a mutant rancor]

cheers style, i always test it before i use the can but wasn't using a fat cap, working for me now!

[RandomBS]

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Nice!
DOPE
lol

[Europe]

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Via http://www.molotow.com/magazine/blog/blog/2011/08/16/raw-copenhagen-2/

[abcs]

has anybody ever made a list of colors to avoid across the for graffiti paint brands?
or how about a colors that win list?

I used to have a dollar store that stocked rusto
professional and stops rust with female valves for a dollar. Then I moved and
the hardware store up at the corner wants 5.25 for a can of rusto. Fuck outta here.
I plan to pay for paint. A little too old to be getting caught stealing spray cans
Rather play with some fancy shit than pay 5.25 for rusto

[Gorditahead]

I have thought about that idea aswell. Maybe go as far as making a new thread with information about the best and worst colors or all brands, etc..

[HAL]

I think it's pretty simple. You're almost always going to have coverage/opacity problems with yellows, oranges and yellow greens. Earth tones will always be solid (unless the brand sucks overall), and pastel tones will usually be pretty strong.

That being said, i have yet to find a weak MTN 94 color. Even the yellows are good. Montana Blackline Power Yellow and Kicking Yellow are also much better than I expected.

[purehatecrew]

Iv had a bad yellow from german mnt black line, don't remember the name, I'm shur its laying around though.

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good old "quick" spray paint from norway

[CitizenKane]

old skool

[acleanthrow]

harbor blue is the shit.

[purehatecrew]

PT aqua is better, I. Love harbor blue but I don't like gloss

[abcs]

how is that fresh paint? Its pretty inexpensive.
Better question may be whats wrong with it

[a mutant rancor]

yeah is it any good?? anyone used it? might just get some and see if its worth getting more

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double up on a monday
looks interesting....

[Stakk]

how is that fresh paint? Its pretty inexpensive.
Better question may be whats wrong with it

yeah is it any good?? anyone used it? might just get some and see if its worth getting more

Why dont u guys just buy it and find out? I live in Hawaii and have some on the way, but I have to wait 45+ days for it to arrive before I can give a review. U guys can get it in less than a week.

[jib25]

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[HAL]

Is there a link to that Fresh Paint? Or the crazy russian looking cans?

[eviltrailer77]

^^^oink is the only source for that stuff.

[purehatecrew]

kmart is switching to rusto, but i worked there like 8 years ago and there loss prevention is top notch people watching cameras and secret shoppers. watched a guy get tackled pushing two carts out

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Rush:
http://graffitimarket.ru/rush
Trane:
http://graffitimarket.ru/trane
www.supertrane.com

And what's strange is that they have shit brand Abro there, but their Abro makes a graffiti paint.

[purehatecrew]

^^^oink is the only source for that stuff.

That's cuz its made by them.shits cheap 2.95 for fresh colors in matte

[eviltrailer77]

They import it from China where a factory worker handcuffed to a filling machine, making $0.20 an hour makes it. But at least he has a job, unlike me.

On a side note: It looks like they dropped Sabotaz, which would suck cuz I really like that shit.

[purehatecrew]

That's cuz its made FOR them.shits cheap 2.95 for fresh colors in matte

...

[tha whut]

looks like deen has some competition with fresh paint

[Stakk]

Fresh paint is made in china, Deen, on the other hand, is trying to push an American made product. Hopefully his new formula will be alot better than the first. But u gotta give da man his props, for doing what he is doing. Shit is not easy.

[HAL]

With Artissin, I didn't mind the lack of coverage so much as the rusto valve the paint has. I got a can of the Mint Green and some red that was similar to Rusto Regal Red. It reminded me of late 90's Krylon in terms of coverage, which is workable. The valve is shit for any detail work, which defeats the purpose of artist-specific paint to me.

The chinese paint is so cheaply made. It fades so quick out here in the Colorado sun, especially the pinks, and the purple/pink/red bleed thru is the deal breaker for me. I like the price, but damn. Even Walmart paint never bled through white.

[Yellow504]

yea i just got done using some fresh paint. It covers really well. The valve on it is reallly nice too
it kinda has the ironlak smell to it

[a mutant rancor]

hrggghhh that ironlak smell

[Stakk]

With Artissin, I didn't mind the lack of coverage so much as the rusto valve the paint has. I got a can of the Mint Green and some red that was similar to Rusto Regal Red. It reminded me of late 90's Krylon in terms of coverage, which is workable. The valve is shit for any detail work, which defeats the purpose of artist-specific paint to me.

The chinese paint is so cheaply made. It fades so quick out here in the Colorado sun, especially the pinks, and the purple/pink/red bleed thru is the deal breaker for me. I like the price, but damn. Even Walmart paint never bled through white.

WORD!!! Artissin was like old krylon to me.

[livejig]

What is happening to paint quality vs. dollar value....

[OinkArtLtdDotCom]

Hey guys,
haven't been on here in a while, and it's 3:30am i just got done feeding my 4 month old and need sleep before the next work day, so i'm not going back reading pages as i should, however, some short responses:
-I think it's a bit unfair to characterize Fresh Paint as "chaining factory workers to machines", quite the opposite, we actually have worked very closely with the factory to insure that we pay more than fair amounts on EVERY aspect so i have no doubt the workers are paid fairly on a Chinese basis. but anywho,

Fresh Paint is 100% owned by me, made in China, same factory as Evolve, All City, and probably Flame, possibly but maybe not Ironlak.
It does NOT bleed through (red, pink, etc) white as Lak did. Not sure why but it doesn't, from many rounds of personal use.
Every color is thick, and good. We will have 36 colors by 2012.
I am NOT unlike some other brands trying to claim this is good for every use paint.
This is the BEST PRICED CHINESE PAINT OUT. PERIOD. Same or better quality as all others.
With that being said, i cannot guarantee it won't fade, although reports of Evolve fading are much less frequent than Ironlak, and this is definitely made at same factory as Evolve.

Regarding Sabotaz:
As long as oinkartltd.com is still up, we will still carry Sabotaz, period.
We have been waiting on a restock over 60 days, so for sure it is not our desire to not have it (and we've been paying, it's been Greek delays not ours).
We will 100% for sure have a 120 color restock by Sept 20.
+ 600's, etc. Price will be same, $3.95 each (400ml 120 colors Sabotaz 80).

Regarding the USA brand mentioned here:
Myself and the manufacturer have a good relationship. I've indicated clearly to him that i'm interested in carrying the product if it's thick enough and i think i can make good sales on it.
***please, don't diss me or my products to sell his/yours. I'm not doing it to you - and let's face it, if i wanted to, i'm pretty good at these kind of tactics - so please, let's just say they're different products, with different pros and cons, and not knock one to promote the other.***

You can say what you want of me or my morals, etc, i am truly down for writers though and have pitched the:
manufacturer -> wholesaler -> retailer -> customer
model to say
manufacturer -> retailer/customer

We are offering Fresh Paint, a high end Chinese made paint, for less retail than Ironlak offers their compareable product WHOLESALE. ($2.95 each retail, Lak $3.00+ wholesale)
We are offering it wholesale for the lowest price designer paint has EVER been sold for in the USA ($2.50 each w/ $10 flat rate shipping) with the lowest minimum requirement of only 300 cans.

I'm doing the best i can to offer a good selection of sprays, Chinese and Euro made, for the lowest price around period. I feel pretty good with the progress i've made on this front recently. I'm now hard at work for next round of Sabotaz, then next round of FP, then new Sabotaz products by 2012 (RAL exact match line which is supposed to be insane, super low pressure etc, OWL line which is made for bombing, 40 colors all real thick) and hopefully Oink made in a factory (USA we're talking to) by 2012.

I love you guys. Really. Some may think i have alterior motives, i don't, or i'd be focusing on a much more profitable industry.

So, in conclusion, if you want more info on FP:
http://www.FreshSprayPaint.com

If you want to personally tell me what you think of FP, sabotaz, my voice on youtube videos:
[email protected] or text/call 732 646 5278 - you will talk to me personally ONLY

Huge thanks for everything, everyone, 12oz prophet is my original home, i wish i had more time to be here lately but please know i think of you every day and am doing my best to make ya'll proud...
peace
james

[OinkArtLtdDotCom]

how is that fresh paint? Its pretty inexpensive.
Better question may be whats wrong with it

i mean, really? nothing is wrong with it. jesus christo guys.
instead of offering wholesale i am offering you the wholesale price directly.
nothing is wrong with it. except maybe with me for not selling for more since apparently higher price is proof of higher quality.... :p

forgive my bitchyness - nothing is wrong with it, I CHOSE TO NOT HAVE DONUT TO NOT DICKRIDE SPANISH MONTANA, *NOT* any other reason
I CHOSE to have only 12 colors because i wanted each one proper before i expanded, not trying to have 80 colors i don't stand behind, so 12 first then 36 then worry about more.

nothing is wrong with it - it is the same or better quality as any other Chinese made brand, and is NOT made in some off factory, it's made in exact same factory as evolve/all city/etc and i personally chose the changes to make it different, instead of just coming out with some clone can and claiming it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

if anything i like to think of myself as honest, and i'm being straight up with you.
Fresh Paint is Chinese made, good and bad comes with that.
Sabotaz is Euro made - good: pigments don't fade. bad: cost is a bit higher. sometimes stock is delayed due to factory issues, etc.

i'm not here to push either one, and if you use only rusto, cool, i'm not against that either. have a great day everyone and holler at me anytime!

[HAL]

I think a lot of writers are a little sketched out because there's so many new products flooding the market, mainly from China, and it doesn't seem like the same level of quality is behind them as the "western" brands. In the past two years it seems like chinese manufacturers have really jumped into the artist paint market with questionable product. After using the paint, no one can argue that the Chinese brands are on the same level as Belton, Rusto, or MTN. I understand that it's a different product, maybe geared towards a different segment of the market. In my own personal experience, the problems outweigh the low price, and I'm wary about any paint produced in China because of it. I don't think anyone is attacking Oink Art or you personally, or any other guy who's getting paint made in China. Its just that the consumer is much more wary now.

I think where you're going with Fresh Paint seems like a good example for others to follow. I'd rather have 12 colors that work well and are compatible with each other than 100 colors that bleed, fade, bubble through, and won't spray with a thin cap.

[eviltrailer77]

@ james,

Understand nothing I said in my post should be construed as a dis or a jab against you. You have always dealt fairly with me and have on occasion have gone the extra mile to make sure my shit was correct. I have nothing but good shit to say about you and your operation, and have done so when asked, on numerous occasions. You took the time to make sure your product isn’t being made with slave labour, (I opened my mouth with out knowing all the facts, not the first time... lol) that makes you the ultra-rare exception, most companies could give two shits in that regard. I have my own problems with Chinas human rights record and the US-China political/economic relationship. Someday they are gonna come knocking wanting their money, and they aren’t gonna take a check, what then… but that’s probably better left for “cross fire”. Do I buy shit made in China, yea I do, it’s almost impossible not to in this day and age. I use Evolve, I have used Ironlak in the past, and most likely, when I get paid on the 15th I’m gonna order some Fresh Paint. It’s just an economic reality, I’m too old and have too much to lose over a stupid racking beef, and I’m not forking over $9 a can for ANY paint. Closeout store $1 silvers and OSH flat black will only get you so far.

Also, glad to hear you aren’t dropping Sabotaz.

[Stakk]

Yeah James does go the extra mile. I know that for a fact. He is all about making the customer happy. And his prices cannot be beat. Thats why I am a repeat customer.

[boom snap clap]

so uh valspar... gotta be like everyone else huh?

[OinkArtLtdDotCom]

HALzilla:
I agree with the first sentence 100%.
i think the reality is, China is generally NOT good at innovating, but they are good at mass production once they've figured out how to make a basic, "acceptable grade" product. You don't buy the DVD player at wal mart because you expect it to last 10 years and provide the best performance you buy it because it works and is cheap. So yeah, i guess what i'm saying is, i think Chinese factories that make spray paint all cooperate together and at least 2 major ones are producing for ANYONE that has $50,000. Good part is: more selection, fighting for price competition wise. Bad part is: proliferation of Chinese paints.
AT THE SAME TIME: Euro paint should take some responsibility for this happening because of their repetitive droughts. For too long Spanish Montana simply wasn't available because they decided not to sell to USA for 3 months to sell limited stock in Europe instead, etc. One thing i'll say for these Chinese guys, they're about business. They give you a date, they meet it, they are very efficient. I was able to turn in design, colors, payment in the time i sold out of sabotaz and had that stock before sabotaz restock made it here… that's pretty crazy!!

i agree on the last sentence 100% also.

AND PLEASE KNOW:
I AM FROM THE JUMP SAYING IT'S CHINESE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL BAMBOOZLED.
When (enter the new chinese brand) came out and didn't say it was made in China, the propaganda mission gets kicked into high gear - there are 2 chinese brands distributed in america right now claiming they're using better pigments - they're not, the shit is the exact same (had rep's from 3 factories confirm this, that they all use same pigment supplier) and i gotta think people are going to be pissed when their freights fade from their supposedly superior paint.
I am NOT going to lie to you. I am not going to overhype it - i'll tell you , you want non-fading, high performance paint, buy European made. Want a lower price, great coverage, bright bright colors, Chinese brands will probably fit the bill.

Mr. eviltrailer:
thanks for your explanation and kind words i really do appreciate it.
thank you also on the company man :D we really appreciate it!
yeah, at the same time, you're right man quite honestly i have no clue what they're doing. i asked, and was given an answer that sounded good to me,
basically,
that they don't produce paint for the domestic market, only for Europe + USA so they have to abide by european and US human rights standards, and that the graffiti market was niche enough that it allowed them to pay their people fair wages and avoid overworked schedules (which was partly blamed for the leakers early on with Lak, where it was suspected that at the end of shifts mistakes were made.)

anymahoo i do agree there are some severe discrepancies in the treatment of workers, managers and owners in that country. i hope that by having a positive business and not exerting undue pressure onto the producers we can help to make a better work environment for the hard working people who actually put these cans together - but we will see…

for sure brother sabotaz for life! ;D

Thank you Stakk. i appreciate it bro.

OK i'll stop trying to overrun this thread ;D thanks again everyone have a great weekend!

[HAL]

Well, in all fairness, MTN has that "mid-day siesta" to deal with when producing their product. Deadlines? Worry about that in the afternoon, amigo! Hehe.

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Peace to Edward Seymour #spraypaint #history

"Aerosol Spray Paint" in a can (as we know it today) was invented in 1949 by Edward Seymour of Illinois. Ed Seymour devised a novelty spray gun to demonstrate an aluminum paint he had created for painting steam radiators. Rumor has it that Edward's wife Bonnie had given him the idea of an aerosol applicator for paint (taken from spray deodorizers and insecticides at the time.) His "spray paint" invention was only intended to show sales prospects how the paint would look when applied to surfaces. However, it became so popular that Edward went on to create a company "Seymour of Sycamore, Inc." of Chicago, USA, to manufacture his spray paints. To this day, the company is still in operation with multiple facilities totaling 220,000 square feet in Sycamore, Illinois (60 miles west of Chicago.) It also happens that Aluminum, the first spray paint color created, still has the best coverage today.
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Seymour of Sycamore, Inc. warehouse facilities in 1996.

We reached out to the company to see if they still had the first can of spray paint produced, as it would be very interesting to see. Unfortunately, they no longer had the inital cans nor photos. The did send over the photo below which is the oldest can in their possession from 1954. It is a chrome yellow can of spray paint with a soup-can like appearance. I believe that under the cap is a rubber nozzle and these cans had to be sprayed downward at a 45 degree angle (please correct me if I'm wrong.) I'm also sure there's all kinds of horrible chemicals in this can.
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More Aerosol Facts:

Going further back, the aerosol can was invented by Erik Rotheim of Norway. On November 23, 1927, Rotheim patented a can with a valve and propellant systems - it could hold and dispense liquids.
The first aerosol can (a can than contains a propellant [a liquefied gas like flurocarbon] and has a spray nozzle) was invented in 1944 by Lyle David Goodloe and W.N. Sullivan. They were working for the U.S. Department of Agriculture and were trying to find a way to spray and kill malaria carrying mosquitos during World War II for the soldiers overseas.

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The 50's wasn't even that long ago and it makes you wonder... If aerosol spray paint was never invented, would graffiti be around as we know it today? If spray paint was invented sooner, would graffiti be at a more advanced stage than it is today?

found here:
http://blog.smart-crew.com/

[STYLEISKING]

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Black under coat for cars,covers silver straight over
no need to wait for it to dry...

[HAL]

You can paint in the rain with it, too.

[purehatecrew]

its also a smelly mess, i havent found a can i can get a clean outline out of, i used it just on a hunch one night, and got stoked when it covered wet rusto chrome , till i came came back for flicks in the daylite,i put the camera away,

any one have a can that makes a decant outline?

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

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Valspar, the last hold out....going female!

[eviltrailer77]

Do you know which valve stem are they using, IE: the narrow painters touch VS the wider rusto universal style.

On a side note, their female valves weren't all that in the first place. 30-40% of em were leakers w/ a fat cap, no consistency.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Not sure, haven't been to a store to check yet.

[eviltrailer77]

Damn, guess I have to get off the internet and go do my own footwork...:D

[HAL]

Please don't post that retarded shit again.

[eviltrailer77]

SOOO... I got off my dead ass and picked up 2 cans of Velspar with the new valve system. Satin Black and Sumptuous Purple (one of my favorite colors in that brand).

1) Its the thicker style of male valve stem, like rusto universal or kilz up-shot. So a yellow sect adapter SHOULD work.

2) There are a lot more female caps available in that valve style

3) I got pretty good results with spray starch caps, until...

3) The valves on both cans clogged, completely. The purple at about half a can, the black almost immediately.

I have been using a few select Velspar colors here and there for a while and had had good results, up until now that is. Shit is trash now.

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The photos show images of the Molotow Headquater
MOLOTOW™ HQ in Lahr (Black Forrest, Germany)
jurgen feuerstein

[HAL]

Holy shit. So many colors. I love Molotow, so I'm very envious.

[a mutant rancor]

Next time im in Germany im so stoppin by there!

[Schnitzel]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/maxrebo/DSC06488.jpg
from a couple years back when I visited a guy whow as working at the offices of a german mailorder company.. most paint I have ever seen!

[DEEN XMEN]

Haven't been here since April ... WOW! O-0 I Been super busy ;)

[crackteeth]

Out of sheer morbid curiosity, how much does a pallet of premium paint go for? I've always wondered how much it would cost to actually stock a shop when they do their orders

[DEEN XMEN]

Out of sheer morbid curiosity, how much does a pallet of premium paint go for? I've always wondered how much it would cost to actually stock a shop when they do their orders

That would depend on who (brand) you are buying from and what quantity you would like to purchase.

What sucks is this:

There are so many brands out now - but this isn't the real problem.

The real problem is how you gonna buy something wholesale for lets say $2.50 and the person selling it to you is selling it themselves for $2.95

Do you think your shop can cover its expenses off .45 cents profit?

So its kind of stupid to buy something from a "wholesaler only to have to compete with them"

These new brands don't realize it but they are ruining things for the small shops.

Ps: Every single graff paint company selling in America is doing this with the exception of the 2 Montanas.

So I'm not singling anyone in particular out: these are damn honest facts here.

Why do you think so many mom and pop graffiti shops can't survive?

Small shops need to make a capita of at least 50 - 60% per dollar to make it.

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ROGER GASTMAN / VINTAGE SPRAY PRINTS
Posted on October 10, 2011 by Revok






Dear Friends, Enemies, Past Lovers, Zombies and members of the Press,

I am pleased to announce that I have a new series of prints available on GraffSupply.com. Since many people expressed interest in my spraycan collection at MOCA, I figured I should make prints. I thought you might be able to help spread the word about them. Blog it, tweet it, forward it, or just junk it.

TOOLS OF CRIMINAL MISCHIEF: THE CANS

“The Cans” is a three-print series created as companion pieces to Roger Gastman’s limited-edition book, The Tools of Criminal Mischief.

The 24-by-36-inch prints feature vintage spraypaint cans from Gastman’s collection, which was recently featured in MOCA’s Art in the Streets exhibition.

Gastman carefully selected the cans for each print, which includes coveted brands such as Krylon, Rustoleum and Red Devil as well as off-brands with colors such as Silver-Skate Aluminum and Baa Baa Black.

Featuring hard-to-find cans, vivid colors and vintage logos, “The Cans” is the perfect gift for any graffiti writer, art collector or graphic designer.

Specs:
• 3 print series
• Edition of 250 per print
• Hand-numbered
• Giclee Print on Epson Somerset Fine Art stock 255GSM
• 24×36

$95 each
$250 for the set of 3
+ S&H

get yours here:
http://graffsupply.com/posters/

[HAL]

Ps: Every single graff paint company selling in America is doing this with the exception of the 2 Montanas.

$10 Montana Gold is ridiculous. I hear they require shops to price it at a certain level. What writer can afford to buy that shit?

[DEEN XMEN]

$10 Montana Gold is ridiculous. I hear they require shops to price it at a certain level. What writer can afford to buy that shit?


HAL you are absolutely right, $10 for a can in this economy is outrageous. I would never pay that kind of money for a can. Most I'd "probably pay is $6".
Unfortunately Hipsters and wanna be Rock Stars suck it up since money isn't a issue to them.

The German Montana had END TO END as the only distributor and sold to the small graff shops and didn't require a contract to sell at a advertised price.

Unfortunately I don't know what happened but they Sold out to the corporate monster MP who now only sell to brick and mortars.

For those that don't know the "wholesale price" for Montana Gold is $4.79 and the lowest price you're allowed to sell it for is $7.20.

Spanish Montanas is the best way to go far as price goes.

What I was saying though is if you own a small shop how can you stay afloat if you're only going to make .45 cents off a can and you must compete with the very people you bought the product from. No way small mom and pop graff shops in America can survive.

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about mtn,meet the alien boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DEEN XMEN]

Fresh paint is made in china, Deen, on the other hand, is trying to push an American made product. Hopefully his new formula will be alot better than the first. But u gotta give da man his props, for doing what he is doing. Shit is not easy.

With Artissin, I didn't mind the lack of coverage so much as the rusto valve the paint has. I got a can of the Mint Green and some red that was similar to Rusto Regal Red. It reminded me of late 90's Krylon in terms of coverage, which is workable. The valve is shit for any detail work, which defeats the purpose of artist-specific paint to me.

The chinese paint is so cheaply made. It fades so quick out here in the Colorado sun, especially the pinks, and the purple/pink/red bleed thru is the deal breaker for me. I like the price, but damn. Even Walmart paint never bled through white.

looks like deen has some competition with fresh paint


After being away from here for so long.. I finally got to finish reading through all the pages.

Here are some answers:

First and foremost I am a Graffiti Writer, I'm not some washed up has been pretending and on some bs just to sell something. Graffiti is part of my life and its something I love to do.

You can be something because you love it and support it or you doing it for a chance at riches.

It wasn't easy getting help here in America if any help at all, so I was on a learning curve.
I've learned so much over the past 15 months. I intend to put it all to good use.

The pressure of the paint for artists: I've since learned how to make low pressure cans.
I also finally found the Old School Krylon Valve. In the end I'm going to make both types high and low pressure cans.

I do everything myself, I don't have any investors throwing down stacks of money. This is all 100% me.

You live and you learn; you take what you learn you put it to good use.

On the good side: I got some pretty huge contracts that will be reflected in a very good way soon.

[STYLEISKING]

http://blog.imerda.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/merda_berger_web.jpg

[nicklesndimes]

http://valsparspray.com/LIVE_IMAGES/3ball.jpg

Valspar, the last hold out....going female!

Went to the store to get some cans w/ normal caps and walked up on whole display of these shit cans.....

[Schnitzel]

http://blog.imerda.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/merda_berger_web.jpg
yuck yuck yuck

[HAL]

The pressure of the paint for artists: I've since learned how to make low pressure cans.
I also finally found the Old School Krylon Valve. In the end I'm going to make both types high and low pressure cans.


That's what I like to hear. I'm looking forward to using the paint with the Krylon-style valves. Best valve ever, in my opinion. A can with one of those, and a fixative style NY Thin is the best.

I was under the impression that the valve is what changes the pressure feel for paint, not the actual amount of propellant in the can. No? I've torn apart many empties in my time, and I've noticed the valve is different on those high pressure european cans. Seems to have a faster flow rate.

[dontlookback]

That would depend on who (brand) you are buying from and what quantity you would like to purchase.

What sucks is this:

There are so many brands out now - but this isn't the real problem.

The real problem is how you gonna buy something wholesale for lets say $2.50 and the person selling it to you is selling it themselves for $2.95

Do you think your shop can cover its expenses off .45 cents profit?

So its kind of stupid to buy something from a "wholesaler only to have to compete with them"

These new brands don't realize it but they are ruining things for the small shops.

Ps: Every single graff paint company selling in America is doing this with the exception of the 2 Montanas.

So I'm not singling anyone in particular out: these are damn honest facts here.

Why do you think so many mom and pop graffiti shops can't survive?

Small shops need to make a capita of at least 50 - 60% per dollar to make it.

Deen....I don't at all sell spraypaint or make spraypaint but think I have answers for some some of your rhetorical questions and comments.

First off...straight graffiti shops are living a fantasy if they think they're gonna survive off ONLY or MAINLY graffiti supplies.

Second....for the best profit shops should be going to manufacturers. I don't think manufacturers are willing to deal with every mom and pop shop's overseas freight issues in the world, hence distributors. I do work in import and export. Mark my words; the day aerosal can be shipped by air the game might change. I say "might" because if aerosal was able to ship by air it still may not be cost effective. It is in the distributors best interest to be able to compete within the region they supply because thats how they're going to stay afloat selling ONLY graffiti supplies. Any neighborhood shops selling graff supplies is going to be expensive because and they are going to be banking on convenience not price.

[dontlookback]

Also...deen, I know you were a bit sensitive about my speculation and criticism but i was you I'd improve on coverage. I know I coulda just got some of your paint that was from a bad batch.....but honestly either coverage needs to improve or the consistancy of your production does. I think the valve is the least of your problems.

[crackteeth]

Ok, since i'm playing the 'what if' card right now, let's say a brand like painter's touch or something of that sort, or do their distributors ONLY sell to established, branded corporate shops? I've never actually went into a graffiti shop and saw a well stocked case of rusto.

Just getting the inside-scoop

[Schnitzel]

wouldn't you just go to home depot/ hardware store?

I'm sure those brands rusto etc would be unlikely to have their products so blatantly linked to graffiti by having their products in an environment that is pro graffiti.(despite the fact that so much of it is used for graff) it would be a bad look

I've never seen a graff shop with anything other than the specialist paints really...

[crackteeth]

Well, I mean, home depot is a great place to get individual cans, but the whole theory behind it is to get the lowest price possible, and aside from manufacturing the paint, the next best thing is to get bulk orders.

[Stakk]

I dont think u will see much Rusto in any "Graff Shop." Why? Because u can get rusto anywhere, and it is an all purpose paint. Yes its used in graff but its also used in every paint application imaginable. A graff shop will carry mostly hard to get paint, like MTN, ironlak, etc.

[DEEN XMEN]

Ok, since i'm playing the 'what if' card right now, let's say a brand like painter's touch or something of that sort, or do their distributors ONLY sell to established, branded corporate shops? I've never actually went into a graffiti shop and saw a well stocked case of rusto.

Just getting the inside-scoop

wouldn't you just go to home depot/ hardware store?

I'm sure those brands rusto etc would be unlikely to have their products so blatantly linked to graffiti by having their products in an environment that is pro graffiti.(despite the fact that so much of it is used for graff) it would be a bad look

I've never seen a graff shop with anything other than the specialist paints really...

Well, I mean, home depot is a great place to get individual cans, but the whole theory behind it is to get the lowest price possible, and aside from manufacturing the paint, the next best thing is to get bulk orders.

I dont think u will see much Rusto in any "Graff Shop." Why? Because u can get rusto anywhere, and it is an all purpose paint. Yes its used in graff but its also used in every paint application imaginable. A graff shop will carry mostly hard to get paint, like MTN, ironlak, etc.


They will not sell to Small Graffiti stores, these companies only deal with big boys or lower tier hardware/supply shops like a Ace for example.

They have pretty strong anti-graffiti stance yet they "promote spray paint art" - go figger.
Its a sneaky way to yes buy me for your graffiti ..and then be like " I didn't say that"

Schitznel = Yes you're exactly 100% right.

____________________________________________

Basically what I was saying earlier though was this: If you were the owner of a shop, would you buy something for lets say $3.35 and then turn around and sell it for $3.95 only to make .60 cents profit? - 99% of you would say NO

That's not even the worst part ; The worst part is when you have to compete with the person you're buying it from.


Graffiti shops/stores support the hip hop , street , urban art, graffiti scene.
Don't forget the majority of the people in the USA see this as a blight while Europe embraces it. Things do seem to be changing in the USA for us though :p
___________________________________________

[DEEN XMEN]

That's what I like to hear. I'm looking forward to using the paint with the Krylon-style valves. Best valve ever, in my opinion. A can with one of those, and a fixative style NY Thin is the best.

I was under the impression that the valve is what changes the pressure feel for paint, not the actual amount of propellant in the can. No? I've torn apart many empties in my time, and I've noticed the valve is different on those high pressure european cans. Seems to have a faster flow rate.


You're right HAL .. Its the valve and the width of the dip tube (sucking straw).
Smaller the intake hole on the valve itself the lower the pressure will be.

Gives the same effect as trying to suck up a heavy milkshake with a thin straw!

I'll post some pictures of it soon!

[Blackbook Pages]

A few cans of rusto with the male valve i used kept not working. Id be spraying then all of a sudden it doesnt even work anymore even untouched cans. Just doesnt spray. How do you fix that?

[HAL]

Sounds like there's either a problem with the valve or dip-tube. Rusto seems to be alright in terms of paint solids gumming things up, unless they're 10+ years old. I've had many Rusto tall boys over the years that wouldn't spray right side up, then sprayed when you turned them upside down. The dip tube on those cans seems to be really shitty, and either falls out of place or isn't seated to the valve properly. When you say male valve, I'm assuming you're talking about the newer cans with the stem attached to the valve. The way they make those "any angle" cans is by having a hole near the valve that has a blocker (steel ball or whatever) that drops in to block it when held normally. It could be that the valve is faulty and the blocker isn't dropping properly, so it's just spraying propellant.
Less likely, you didn't shake the can enough, and a blob of paint solids got stuck in the tube, rendering the can useless. Happens to me with Ironlak, 80's Rusto, and other high solids paints often enough. Not much you can do about it. If you've got a good stash of paint, you can let that can sit for a few months and sometimes it'll settle out and start working again. That's why they say to shake the can thoroughly. If all else fails, just find a board with a nail in it and spike the can. You'll get most of the paint on the wall and it's not a total loss.

I would just waltz into Home Depot with your best frustrated face on and exchange them.

[SheenOne]

^^ its happened to me on the rusto 2x cans.. i just took them back and exchange for new ones .. just said it didn't work.. easy exchange.

[Stakk]

When I first started using painters touch 2x I had a bunch of cans that stopped working. U really need to shake it very good for minimum 2 min. Time urself when u shake it. 2 min will feel like 5. I havent had one clog on me since.

[Blackbook Pages]

I shake my cans well acctually and it doesnt work. Its happend to me with ironlak also. That sucks cause iv acctually lost a few cans cause of that latley. and nah fuck going back to the store to exchange haha

[Blackbook Pages]

oh and this might sound wierd but i think i heard someone awhile ago say something about puting them in hot water..?

[slyle]

I shake my cans well acctually and it doesnt work. Its happend to me with ironlak also. That sucks cause iv acctually lost a few cans cause of that latley. and nah fuck going back to the store to exchange haha

Not only shake the cans, but do it before it is even test sprayed. The solids have a habit of sitting on the bottom of the can, and if you test spray before shaking they get picked up into the tube and make it next to impossible to spray. This happens alot with older cans of Polyurethane too. You can try a blaster cap (cap with center dot removed) but even that does not always work.

[crackteeth]

Normally, the older cans have never failed me, but since the switchup, i gotta agree. Hell, just the other day, two, flat blacks clogged up on me after barely two lines, and even then the pressure was fucked. I think this is a batch-by-batch problem that might be recent.

[HAL]

It could be that those valves are just shitty. I heard that Rusto switched to them because they're cheaper.

[eviltrailer77]

Another problem I ran in to with those cans is the bottom of some caps will hit the top of the can and wont let you press it down all the way. It will start out working but as the stem seats further in to the orifice, the bottom of the cap starts interfering with the valve travel. When this has happened to me it kinda sputters out. I just trim the offending part w/ a razor knife, and its good to go.

[Graffkings]

Artissin is more watery than any other graffiti related spraycan brand.

[Graffkings]

Hopefully they'll get it fixed.. I've read alot of mixed reviews on the new male valves.

Majority are negative.

Thanks for the feedback/input.

I'm very disappointed with ARTISSIN, Watery, Bad Coverage, Wierd Pressure...., 2 coats, dusty lines. Definately not worth piecing with.. But still a nice try, just not better than any of the other "good" brands out there.

[ACER303]

New Rusto commercial...."There'll be some changes made..." Changes? Too late Rusto, you fuckers. Talk about the ultimate valve cockblock...this is worse than the Krylon "360 valve"

http://youtu.be/b0CD7W5R2a0

you can even download the whole shitty song right on the Rusto website.

https://www.rustoleum.com/default.asp

Go USA Spraypaint industry...way to keep your biggest demographic happy. :D

[eviltrailer77]

Dude, calm down. That universal shit is old news. The top comes right off and its a wider style male valve under that monstrosity. I have had good results w/ spray starch caps and some glass cleaner caps. Look around and do your footwork. Adapt, improvise, overcome.

[Graffkings]

http://www.myupload.dk/showfile/10450509d907.jpg/

Has anyone tried and can give a little review on theese ?

[kragtastik]

Rusto even though the new tips kinda suck but you can still find the old ones

[STYLEISKING]

http://revok1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/backflashes_08-1.jpg
MONTANA CANS FOUNDER RUEDIGER GLATZ STARTS CONSULTANCY

NEW PERSPECTIVES IN LIFESTYLE MARKETING

Heidelberg, 11 November 2011 – 15 years after establishing MONTANA CANS,
the L&G Vertriebs GmbH, Ruediger Glatz, founder and long-time general
manager is now leaving the company. He had already sold his shares to MOTIPDUPLI
Group ten years ago. Now he parts completely from the company, which
he made one of the leading suppliers for Urban Artists worldwide. In the future,
he is planning to focus on his activities as an artistic photographer. He has
already been successful in this field for a couple of years, showing his works in
Frankfurt, Basel, London und New York. Furthermore he founded the image
agency BHP.
Ruediger Glatz is also about to set up a consultancy branch within BHP, that acts
as a link between art and business. Having built the MONTANA CANS brand by
using his close ties to famous street artists, he is now able to benefit from his
contacts to develop interesting new perspectives in lifestyle marketing and
product development.

-RUEDIONE

http://revok1.com/blog/2011/11/ruedi-leaves-montana-cans/

[DEEN XMEN]

I seriously need to log on to 12oz much more often Its kind of hard keeping up especially with fb.

Anyways whatever .. 12oz is a great place for all especially for true writers. ^^;

[DEEN XMEN]

Artissin is more watery than any other graffiti related spraycan brand.

I'm very disappointed with ARTISSIN, Watery, Bad Coverage, Wierd Pressure...., 2 coats, dusty lines. Definately not worth piecing with.. But still a nice try, just not better than any of the other "good" brands out there.

First and foremost I never ever said this was the "best paint" or a 1 coat coverage paint or anything even remotely close to anything like that.

As I said from day 1 in order to improve a product you must take the good and the bad.

When you have a product there will be people that like it and there will be people that hate it.

This is the way things are, do I listen? Of course I listen!

Everyone matters to me no matter who they are; From the biggest TOY to the greatest skilled artisian.

I am not some rich dude or some huge corporation. I don't got big wig investors like alot of others either. This is what it is and its all me. AT the end of the day whether I fail or I make it I will know that at least I tried. RIDE OR DIE

There's a saying that I live my life by "There are those that might doubt you but you must never doubt yourself"

In case any of you are wondering I'm doing pretty good so yeah its a good thing for what I stand for and it's a bad thing for those that wanted to see me fail.

On a side note look at how many have copied my concept, the difference is I didn't run to china to get it what I'm doing done.

I have a different goal and Artissin isn't just about spray paint either. If you know me in person or on my fb you this is a fact. My goal is to get to where I want to be and when I get there be able to help and support others.

__________________________________________________ _________

By the way dude please post some pics or at least pictures from your "ARTISSIN" cans so we can have some credible proof from you.

From looking at your posts it seems that you posted to diss me and when nobody responded to you, you got angry and posted again afterwards.

Are you under some 2nd name? Cuz your other 3 previous posts seems to be porn pictures.

[Graffkings]

First and foremost I never ever said this was the "best paint" or a 1 coat coverage paint or anything even remotely close to anything like that.

As I said from day 1 in order to improve a product you must take the good and the bad.

When you have a product there will be people that like it and there will be people that hate it.

This is the way things are, do I listen? Of course I listen!

Everyone matters to me no matter who they are; From the biggest TOY to the greatest skilled artisian.

I am not some rich dude or some huge corporation. I don't got big wig investors like alot of others either. This is what it is and its all me. AT the end of the day whether I fail or I make it I will know that at least I tried. RIDE OR DIE

There's a saying that I live my life by "There are those that might doubt you but you must never doubt yourself"

In case any of you are wondering I'm doing pretty good so yeah its a good thing for what I stand for and it's a bad thing for those that wanted to see me fail.

On a side note look at how many have copied my concept, the difference is I didn't run to china to get it what I'm doing done.

I have a different goal and Artissin isn't just about spray paint either. If you know me in person or on my fb you this is a fact. My goal is to get to where I want to be and when I get there be able to help and support others.

__________________________________________________ _________

By the way dude please post some pics or at least pictures from your "ARTISSIN" cans so we can have some credible proof from you.

From looking at your posts it seems that you posted to diss me and when nobody responded to you, you got angry and posted again afterwards.

Are you under some 2nd name? Cuz your other 3 previous posts seems to be porn pictures.

I'm not at all into dissing you but your product. I just gave you my review on your paint and i definately wasen't impressed, it's a nice thing that you made a new brand from scratch I just saw all your posts in the thread and you were dissing all EU paints out there and I guess it was because it aint cheap in the US (But we still have the best and most precise cans over here) As far as a picture isnt possible as I got rid of the cans right away(On my trip to the US). Hope your company is going strong I just wouldnt spend my money on it again. The two posts was a little lack of brain as I forgot I already wrote about it. The porn pictures is in another thread whats the big deal ? As far as proof try to spray it on a wall and see how it works... Rock On.

[STYLEISKING]

http://www.goodfellasmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/tumblr_ludd8dJK881qlxtpyo1_500.jpg
how can i help you?

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Nice racks

[slyle]

are they sweaty?

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Either that or shes leaking

[Cracked Ass]

I'm all set on the paint. You can still help me though

[jib25]

Looking for something pink.

[crushinshit]

take all your scrap cans and whack em on the head (the circular metal part on top) with a hammer. represurizes em. great for lak cuz that shit loses pressure. do it right before you go out or its pointless. youre welcome

[eviltrailer77]

No, that doesn't "repressurize" them, it forces the dip tube further down in to the can and you get a few more drops of paint out of the can. The only way to add pressure to any can is by forcing it in from another can, during the manufacturing process or by heating the can up (which technically doesn't add anything just expands whats already there).

[DEEN XMEN]

No, that doesn't "repressurize" them, it forces the dip tube further down in to the can and you get a few more drops of paint out of the can. The only way to add pressure to any can is by forcing it in from another can, during the manufacturing process or by heating the can up (which technically doesn't add anything just expands whats already there).

Very True

[Graffkings]

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/869/sam1570e.jpg

Dope Cans

[Schnitzel]

so graffkings are you spruiking said dope cans?

yet another chinese off shoot from the Ironlak factory?

[DEEN XMEN]

This dude claimed he came all the way to America and bombed or did pieces and yet he didn't take a single picture.

Now he posting pics of "euro" cans which are not Euro cans, its just a matter of time fore' the true euro cans get killed off by brainless bozos supporting them like the said picture poster.

Least you posted something that isn't porn for a change.

I hope you ain't some cross dressing buffoon from Washington posing like you from Europe.

[Graffkings]

You really don't like China I guess :) At least Dope cans is better than yours. :)

I did not bomb anywhere as I think its ugly, I did a few pieces and wasen't impressed with your watery shit paint ;) (And again I'm giving you respect for your arrangement in your company)

The paint from Europe dosen't need anything, they have enough $$ to live in 20 Decades, at least most of them. Maybe you should start working with China too ? They can show you how to develope some good cans that is actually 100% usable at low prices. You can also come by Fullclip or Italgete in Europe, they can also show you how to make a decent paint formula.

And whats the problem by having them produced in CHINA ? It earns more $$ to the EU companys as the prices is below one dollar pr can. 1Dollar can, sold for 5Dollar = Profit. China earns only a bit of it. Its nice to help people in foreign countries getting a job.

Also, I support all the companys that have some good paint.

And one more photo for you DEEN, guess you like it <3
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/24032011526.jpg/

I stock

MOLOTOW
IRONLAK
CLASH
BEAT
DOPE
MTN
And NBQ at the moment.

Peace Mr. Grumpy DEEN

Btw, I have had quite a few trips to the us during the years.. Why don't you come to EU ? Ohhhhhhhh, because you don't support eu.

[Graffkings]

And one more for you my friend.. DEEN XMEN

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4156/24032011526.jpg

[DEEN XMEN]

1ST OFF if you sell paint.. You're selling it out your living room?

Secondly you're a hypocrite, you claimed I was dissing Euro brands and here you are selling paint that is not "Euro" at all.

What makes you think I don't support Eu? Get your head checked
I don't support communist slave labor that takes away jobs from others by means of tricks and deception.

The only rich company out of all of these is Duplicolor Gmbh (Gold line) who is a conglomerate worth billions.

Anyone can post pictures off the web. Post a real picture with your tag on the box itself
to prove you are "stocking" "selling"

Lets see how really real you are, take a tag next to these exact boxes or any other brands on that exact floor.

Perhaps then you can have some type of credit.

[dontlookback]

Clash
Beat
Molotow
Mtn

Are all euro deen. And what's your beef with Washington? That's way outa left field. You're acting like you haven't heard this before. The minute I seen pictures of your product I had doubts about your 10 oz can *on 12oz prophet*, then I tried it and it was as expected......watery. You seem to be wasting your time hating on euro paint rather than figuring out how to make a good formula that can be produced here in the US....which is a very admirable goal. For now though facts are, euro paint AND chinese paint is accomplishing something you are not, which is producing paint that people WANT.

[Graffkings]

1ST OFF if you sell paint.. You're selling it out your living room?

Secondly you're a hypocrite, you claimed I was dissing Euro brands and here you are selling paint that is not "Euro" at all.

What makes you think I don't support Eu? Get your head checked
I don't support communist slave labor that takes away jobs from others by means of tricks and deception.

The only rich company out of all of these is Duplicolor Gmbh (Gold line) who is a conglomerate worth billions.

Anyone can post pictures off the web. Post a real picture with your tag on the box itself
to prove you are "stocking" "selling"

Lets see how really real you are, take a tag next to these exact boxes or any other brands on that exact floor.

Perhaps then you can have some type of credit.

Deen, what do you wan't me to prove ?

[DEEN XMEN]

Deen, what do you wan't me to prove ?

Post the pic.. don't avoid the question. If you claim something then certainly you can post another pic with your tag on boxes on that exact floor.

C'mon whats so hard bout that?? I mean you spending time reply then why not reply with the picture??

Just do it.. let's see how real you are!

[DEEN XMEN]

Clash
Beat
Molotow
Mtn

Are all euro deen. And what's your beef with Washington? That's way outa left field. You're acting like you haven't heard this before. The minute I seen pictures of your product I had doubts about your 10 oz can *on 12oz prophet*, then I tried it and it was as expected......watery. You seem to be wasting your time hating on euro paint rather than figuring out how to make a good formula that can be produced here in the US....which is a very admirable goal. For now though facts are, euro paint AND chinese paint is accomplishing something you are not, which is producing paint that people WANT.

Hey moron do you ever at all read and understand what you're reading?

Damn you're dumber than rocks ..just this stupid post proves that lol.

Nobody is hating on anything you delusional fool get a grip go buy some fucking paint instead of looking at pictures. Buy any paint and take a real tag, all this yapping you're doing and you have not yet produced a single picture.

All you clowns are talking this n than yet you never ever ever have a single picture of anything to validate anything.

Critique is good as I've always stated but clowns like you who act like you know something and have nothing to back it up is always suspect.

Anyways you're just entertainment for me to kill some boredom :)

[riftr]

All that chinese paint is doiung is taking away jobs and ruining the market with the overpriced cans of paint. Outsource everything for some profit, GREAT IDEA!! DUmbasses like a few of you are whats wrong with this country and some of your EU nations. If you idiots supported people like DEEN and their local business' this country wouldnt be in the spot it is at the moment. People like Deen and other hard workers are what made this a thriving country at one point in time. I have tried the paint and its not the best I have used but not all the colors are watery. With some support it could be a great paint. Just my .2

[Graffkings]

Post the pic.. don't avoid the question. If you claim something then certainly you can post another pic with your tag on boxes on that exact floor.

C'mon whats so hard bout that?? I mean you spending time reply then why not reply with the picture??

Just do it.. let's see how real you are!

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4584/sam1579t.jpg

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1020/sam1580i.jpg

[dontlookback]

Lol....deen.

Stop occupying this thread. Either make some good paint and THEN tell me you know some shit....or shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself.

[Graffkings]

All that chinese paint is doiung is taking away jobs and ruining the market with the overpriced cans of paint. Outsource everything for some profit, GREAT IDEA!! DUmbasses like a few of you are whats wrong with this country and some of your EU nations. If you idiots supported people like DEEN and their local business' this country wouldnt be in the spot it is at the moment. People like Deen and other hard workers are what made this a thriving country at one point in time. I have tried the paint and its not the best I have used but not all the colors are watery. With some support it could be a great paint. Just my .2

I would also support DEEN if he had a product that was just a bit close to be good. (But I compare them with the ones you can buy in the local supermarket wich is shit.)
Overpriced cans ?

IN EUROPE:

China Cans in store = 4,5$
EU Cans in store = 7$

Who is taking the overprice ?

Wholesale China cans = 3$

Wholesale EU Cans = 5$

[DEEN XMEN]

"GRAFF KING" (LOL)

Thanks for posting a pic .. that's wasn't hard to prove something right?

Least we know you're real .. sorry can't say that for "someone" else.

1 question did you just start writing?

Next time you come to US let me know I"ll battle you:
me and some cans from the supermarket vs. you AND you can use whatever fancy paint you want. I WILL EVEN BUY IT FOR YOU! This is fair right?

Hope your business is doing good. I don't like to see anyone fail at anything.

[Graffkings]

"GRAFF KING" (LOL)

Thanks for posting a pic .. that's wasn't hard to prove something right?

Least we know you're real .. sorry can't say that for "someone" else.

1 question did you just start writing?

Next time you come to US let me know I"ll battle you:
me and some cans from the supermarket vs. you AND you can use whatever fancy paint you want. I WILL EVEN BUY IT FOR YOU! This is fair right?

Hope your business is doing good. I don't like to see anyone fail at anything.

I started 5years ago. Graffkings is not a name I would normally choose. Its sarcasm as I hate people who state themselves kings as noone is king. We could do that but I doubt that it is going to happen. I guess my colors covers best and I can keep the most tight lines. My business is doing fine, I don't live by selling paint but enjoys it and earns a bit besides my normal paycheck. You don't have to buy paint for me, you should save the money to study a way to make a very good brand instead.

[dontlookback]

All that chinese paint is doiung is taking away jobs and ruining the market with the overpriced cans of paint. Outsource everything for some profit, GREAT IDEA!! DUmbasses like a few of you are whats wrong with this country and some of your EU nations. If you idiots supported people like DEEN and their local business' this country wouldnt be in the spot it is at the moment. People like Deen and other hard workers are what made this a thriving country at one point in time. I have tried the paint and its not the best I have used but not all the colors are watery. With some support it could be a great paint. Just my .2

Sigh......though what you say about jobs is true....the rest is nonsense. Have you ever been to a hardware store that isn't a large corporate chain? You ever see the price of Ruston there? Didn't think so....its like 7 dollars a can. I'd like to explain why that happens but I'm on an iPhone here, I hope understand when I say I don't feel like it.

So I'll leave it at, things aren't that simple and I would love to support American made paint. But I'm really questioning if it's possible.

[InfraRed]

I don't think Artissin should be on the market if it's not done being developed.
Is Rustoleum made in the USA?

[riftr]

pff 7 dollar rusto gtfo here

[STYLEISKING]

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five finger discount

[STYLEISKING]

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[9WoN8eR]

Fresh, Sabotaz, or Hardcore for cold temps?

[100%juice]

i havent used sabotaz at all. the AVT type (fresh paint, ironlak, etc) paints work ok in cold weather.. but I would swear by Hardcore for below zero application. not just an opinion.. painted many pieces and productions on steel in near zero or below zero conditions and have had the paint hold up for years. got flicks back where stuff was benched that was painted in freezing conditions and it held up as well as rustoleum or better. AVT type paints dont hold up that well even if the weather is perfect. but as long as you only have an expectation of 1 or 2 years after application you will be fine with AVT type paints.

to the credit of the AVT type paints.. there is a READILY available documentation available online which lists the wear capabilities of the product. they arent trying to hide the fact that the paint isnt meant to last. google it. the documentation clearly shows a max life on their paints as 3 years. some of their colors are listed as lasting as less than a year. there is a whole breakdown of exactly which colors are rated to hold color-fastness and for how long.

[crushinshit]

fresh is baller in the cold

[eviltrailer77]

Recently used Sabotaz in temps in the mid 20's, on steel, with no noticeable side effects. I know mid 20's aren't as cold as some of you get, but that's about as cold as it gets out here. Can't speak on longevity, just recently started using euro paint on steel due to the stops rust valve change.

[100%juice]

didnt find this data sheet too easy to track down online but I wanted to share it with you guys so you can make educated decisions about what you do with your investment in time/money.

it would be awesome to get this kind of data sheet on all of the available brand choices.


http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab127/freightaccount2/IronlakTechDataSheet201005.jpg

[100%juice]

I don't think Artissin should be on the market if it's not done being developed.
Is Rustoleum made in the USA?

99% of all consumer products in the world are first entered on the market while being still developed. Sony does it. Microsoft does it. Ironlak did it. Im sure other brands of paint besides Ironlak and Artissin released products that were not fully developed. just the nature of the beast.

[Gorditahead]

Im often painting trains in 0-10 degree weather up in north america. I used a fair amount of Sabotaz last winter and had no complaints, Seems to always work and the pressure stays consistent in the cold. For the price it seems pretty unbeatable.
This year i have been using Evolve that i got for free. I highly suggest avoiding this paint at all costs. The cold really fucks these cans up. I pretty sure it is made in the same factory as Ironlak, fresh paint, etc.. It. I also heard its the old Ironlak formula... I haven't used much hardcore but if your willing to spend a few extra bucks I have only heard good things.

[9WoN8eR]

experienced based information on the function is nice to have when the value of time > $
windows of opportunity for my maniacal tendencies seem to shrink during the winter! LOL

for me there is a minimal price difference in hardcore & sabotaz (even after shipping the difference is small)....the function of cold weather steel sticking tells me a lot..thnx!

Thought I would check here & try to get a vet to share as I just have a hard time paying attention to a puberty stricken voice on you tube that is engulfed in a vocabulary that will no longer be in use next year all the while offering useless personal insight as they dispense their cans on their aunt Bethels RV wheel covers in the back yard.


@ evil...I too am finally prepared to say goodbye to my romance with rustoleum..LOL
@ Juice...nice chart thnx for sharing.

[IllSkillet]

Used to use Krylon when it was the male cap five ball without the 3d on the balls, switched over to mostly Rusto, although I used to use it a little as well, now its pretty much all Rusto, But I think Evolve paint is pretty good. The colors are really nice, its pretty thick, although not sure about the longevity of it, low pressure, I like it. Ironlak is pretty nice too, nice colors, doesn't clog too much, although I am kind of turned off from what I have heard about the longevity of it... how it lasts for such a short time...just my two cents. The few times I used Utilac, it seemed really thick, good quality... chrome yellow from krylon and mediterranean green from rusto are the dopest colors!

[abcs]

so can someone give me some safe bet advice on cheap low pressure paint.
best good cheap paint with minimal problemology

[demerock]

SABOTAZ..IN COLD OR HOT WEATHER FOR ME...THE FRESH PAINTS COMIN ON STRONG..BUT SABOS THE WAY TO GO

[HAL]

Sabotaz has treated me well, also. It doesn't seem to like metal, though. I've had it flake off a couple metal surfaces, including a school bus.

[abcs]

im having a senior moment. How do oink gift cards work?
Or online gift cards in general? secure coupon codes? Would
i be correct to assume you buy one... say 50 dollars. You
are the emailed this code that is worth 55 oink dollars?
To give it as a gift you give the person the coupon code?

[Stakk]

I recently went to check on a piece I did near the beach 4 months ago. I noticed the Sabotaz I used was flaking off. It was on plywood. Not sure if it was the saltwater or the heat that caused it.

[abcs]

Im not sure i can buy rusto for cheaper.
So long as the can sprays with consistency
and a single coat will do i'm good. Doesn't
have to last forever. I dont expect it to.

[demerock]

about the sabo and metal..
older batches didnt like metal at all..one of the things they had me go to greece for was to help them improve the smell and the metal probs which have been addressed at this point...

[eviltrailer77]

I didn't know about the sabotaz flaking on steel, but I had noticed the change in the smell, didn't mind it to start with tho. Reminded me of euro sparvar.

[jib25]

Always wanted to try Sabotaz - thx for the heads up...

[abcs]

Sabotaz is on deck. Almost bought some but i found a site selling MTN 94 for 5.80 Free Shipping, no tax,
and an additional 10% off my order. When it was all said and done i paid 5.10 a can. Always wanted to
check the 94 out. I just couldnt justify paying over 7 a can. It may only be a couple bucks but i the just
got hustled sensation is sucks.

[HAL]

MTN 94 is probably my favorite paint at the moment. Molotow sprays a little harder, which i like, but 94 has the best coverage.

[STYLEISKING]

http://www.invasianmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/b.jpg
http://www.invasianmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/h.jpg
zenith cans,never heard of them before,any info websites?

from singapore:

Flip told me that the local SG writers have developed their own paint
and the new spray can called Zenith but it is produced in China.

[jib25]

^Curious cap too...

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Same stock outline tip offered by Evolve and All City Spray Paints. Definitely a Chinese signature as its either one factory making the stuff, or multiple factories sourcing the same components (tips, valves, color donuts).

Did some web searching, website is supposed to be www.zenithcans.com but its not up, and you can find photos of it on a few blogs.

[Europe]

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[Europe]

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[DEEN XMEN]

Can't understand the point of buying premium paint and knowing that it doesn't last outside for over a year especially on steel. If that's the case why even bother taking the risk and painting steel?

Whatever happen to lasting 10 - 20 years and being part of history?
Guess these days your history will be faded away just like the wind blowing dust.

[HAL]

I'm not a big fan of that, either, but here in Denver, most of the walls are repainted within a month or two. For that purpose, the chinese stuff can be cost effective.

The rare times i go out out and paint freights, I'll dig into my last remaining crate of female valve rusto products. Molotow also seems to held up very well.

[sread]

major score damn i love flea markets
old school krylon painters touch american accents rusto red devil and a few other gems
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sread_one/6534906515/in/photostream
got a can of 1972 rusto flat black
all for 50 bucks

[Bakardy!]

^^^great come up!

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Doesn't look like anything too awesome, but just the fact that its old tip makes it a huge deal!

[Graffkings]

Can't understand the point of buying premium paint and knowing that it doesn't last outside for over a year especially on steel. If that's the case why even bother taking the risk and painting steel?

Whatever happen to lasting 10 - 20 years and being part of history?
Guess these days your history will be faded away just like the wind blowing dust.

Its so much cheaper and is very usefull ! And if you live in a country in the Cold Europe Ironlak and other cheap china brands will stay much longer. Also here it all gets buffed right away (day to day on trains) so its more economic for sure :)

[STYLEISKING]

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Fully stocked and ready to rock a fresh batch of United cans, Original six colors plus three new colors!!!

Still at the low price of 6 for $25

[STYLEISKING]

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Please contact us via email at [email protected]

For further information please call or text 732-646-5278
http://www.freshspraypaint.com/

[Graffkings]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_09QrVBkggw/TvWANY5KB1I/AAAAAAAABQ8/1vJhp1H6qWQ/s400/294848_228891147164450_228886760498222_580311_2003 975533_n.jpg
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Fully stocked and ready to rock a fresh batch of United cans, Original six colors plus three new colors!!!

Still at the low price of 6 for $25


Do you have more info on theese ? I can see wich factory its from but if you have info please give me some ! :)

[Europe]

Revok visits Motip Dupli Color in Heidelberg, Germany, the producer of Montana Gold, Black and White.
http://revok1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSF3276.jpg
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http://revok1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSF3250.jpg
http://revok1.com/blog/2011/12/heidelburg-germany/

[Europe]

Fleamarket style http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/13777981124/1/tumblr_lvqg7xcCem1qb0umv

[sread]

damn =O

[STYLEISKING]

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DAYCOLORS,

Los Daycolors están pensados para todas las actividades relacionadas
con el graffiti,por eso, están creados por escritores para escritores.

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Baja presión
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Máxima precisión
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Palau solità i Plegamans
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Telefono:

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[abcs]

holy fuck I have so much paint right now
its cold outside too.

[jib25]

Great flicks Europe! Thanks for posting.

[Stakk]

Damn I am amazed At all the "graffiti" Paint brands that are out right now. Most of them are made in China. So its all the same.

[Europe]

The famous Amsterdam/Utrect spray shop now have their own brand out, same name as the shop:
Henxs
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/389802_10150658236112942_169890327941_12130677_192 8495081_n.jpg
http://www.henxs.com/product/506/henxs-paint-400ml-spray-paint.html

[DEEN XMEN]

Damn I am amazed At all the "graffiti" Paint brands that are out right now. Most of them are made in China. So its all the same.


All from the same 2 factories as well ..so its basically the same paint in a different designed can.

It's a good thing and a bad thing;

Good: so many companies out now the price will go down a lot

Bad: Since there are so many companies selling cheaper paints its possible the demise of companies like the 2 Montanas is very very possible.

Look what happen to Molotow their paint is now made in china in case you didn't know this.

If you know how to read the market and understand the world economy then you should know that these cheaply made in china stuff will not be so cheap in the future.

The downfall of the euro and the on going crisis will only make this worse as well :(

[DEEN XMEN]

Its so much cheaper and is very usefull ! And if you live in a country in the Cold Europe Ironlak and other cheap china brands will stay much longer. Also here it all gets buffed right away (day to day on trains) so its more economic for sure :)

We live in America and we do Freights.. Freights don't get buffed so if you are painting you want your "work" to last a very long time.

How much less is your "cheaper brands" compared to the 2 MTN's?

It does make sense what you say though that the trains are buffed so you don't care..
If that's the case isn't it better to just $1 cans ?

[Graffkings]

We live in America and we do Freights.. Freights don't get buffed so if you are painting you want your "work" to last a very long time.

How much less is your "cheaper brands" compared to the 2 MTN's?

It does make sense what you say though that the trains are buffed so you don't care..
If that's the case isn't it better to just $1 cans ?


Cans at 1$ cans can't do quality we write for the picture.
And yup, it might be from the same factories but still with different Formula and that makes the difference in the paint ! HENXS (Former Bombers Best) is also from the Ironlak factory but almost identic with MTN94. Molotow is still based in Germany and produced in germany. But their brand "FLAME" is produced in China (same place as Ironlak). If you ask them they won't say that they own flame but they do :) But Molotow Premium will never go the China way. Some people from Europe have to go the China way as most Companys (especially in my own country) is against graffiti and its not possible to cooperate with them.

[STYLEISKING]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9554/img1753640x480.jpg

[BelRoC !OF]

US freights - Rusto.......
Fuck all that other shit.

[Rustofills]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_tupPBtWQ

U must listen!

[STYLEISKING]

http://www.goodfellasmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mook-life-blog-sexy-beauty-graffiti-girl-paint.jpg
can i help u guys?

[Stakk]

I noticed Color Place now has the exact same cans as Artissin. The valves are different though.

[Gorditahead]

Evovle paint, turn your speakers up for the videos...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/im_dreaming/6662631693/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/im_dreaming/6662569515/in/photostream/

I kind of hope they fix this issue, there color selection is fantastic, and the paint is smooth, But I've had too many cans do this kinda shit to me to purchase again.

[DEEN XMEN]

I noticed Color Place now has the exact same cans as Artissin. The valves are different though.

I am not the 1st person to use that can design / shape, I perhaps made it more popular than the predecessors. I see alot of companies using that shape now.

walmart did approach me but I didn't have the 1 million + dollars to do what they wanted.

Colorplace is a walmart brand; therefore they have HUGE MONEY $$$$$

No lie seems like everything I do these days is always copied.

[DEEN XMEN]

Evovle paint, turn your speakers up for the videos...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/im_dreaming/6662631693/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/im_dreaming/6662569515/in/photostream/

I kind of hope they fix this issue, there color selection is fantastic, and the paint is smooth, But I've had too many cans do this kinda shit to me to purchase again.

Was it because of the cold or the valve itself?

[eviltrailer77]

Did you try to force a phantom (aka ny thin) in to it? I remember the old style OHS cans doing that if you tried to force a phantom or rusto fat in to em without shaving em first. The caps that come w/ mtn hardcore also have the lip btw.

[Gorditahead]

I didn't force a NY thin into them, This happened after I took a german outline off the can, they were a bit cold, but I have had smilier things happen to these cans when they were not cold. either way its a bummer!

[100%juice]

snagged these Painters Touch Key Lime cans in Toronto. They are packaged as having the new wack valve system, but in fact have the classic valves. Just thought it was odd and worth posting.

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab127/freightaccount2/canadiankeylime.jpg

[Juca]

Did you try to force a phantom (aka ny thin) in to it? I remember the old style OHS cans doing that if you tried to force a phantom or rusto fat in to em without shaving em first. The caps that come w/ mtn hardcore also have the lip btw.

what this man said,also you can do this to any can that comes with wide valves too,just put ny fat and press it hard enought and paint will go all over pretty fast,it will drain the can in less then 4 sec,it was done in my room when i pressed ny fat hard enought on german dupli color

[HAL]

Man, I wish I could still find PT and AA colors with the old valve. The price and color selection of the chinese paints are good, but I'm always worried about what I'm going to get. Still a lot of bugs that need to be resolved. Rusto was consistent, despite having a couple limitations.

[100%juice]

Try going a little ways outside of city limits. Also try looking in odd places. A few weeks back I was driving around town looking for some classic valves and stopped in "Big Lots". They had a shelf full of American Accents and Rustoleum cans with classic valves. All for $2.33 a can. The colors were definitely not choice.. but for me it was worth cleaning the place out.

[thebench504]

http://frogsnakes.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/fly-1.jpg

http://www.thebench504.com/

[Gorditahead]

Hal, I'm always pretty excited about finding an old valve of PT or AA but if you haven't tried the PTX2 with those trout female thin caps I would highly suggest it. Rusto seems to give me so many less problems then chinese paint and with those caps you can get yourself one smooth outline.

[jib25]

http://www.goodfellasmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mook-life-blog-sexy-beauty-graffiti-girl-paint.jpg
can i help u guys?

Oooh damn! Yes please...... :)

[HAL]

How is it that people seem to find paint at Big Lots? Every time I've ever been to one over the past 10 years all they have is that shitty new Red Devil, or nothing at all.

[STYLEISKING]

http://lostinthemood.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/tumblr_luaemm15nr1qj8f18o1_500.jpg?w=500&h=648

[100%juice]

How is it that people seem to find paint at Big Lots? Every time I've ever been to one over the past 10 years all they have is that shitty new Red Devil, or nothing at all.

me too man. i also have checked Big Lots over the past 10-12 years occaisionally for paint besides the shitty Red Devil and never found anything.. I was starting to believe that it was an urban legend or something that was true in the 90's (before I started painting). I think I gave up going there for a year or two and then finally went and checked a couple months back... low and behold.. 40-50 cans of AA and regular rusto there waiting for me.

[STYLEISKING]

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[eviltrailer77]

That ace shit was good paint. Then they went to those blue cock-block caps.

[STYLEISKING]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZNIuWmYl5xI/TuDcu4-x4II/AAAAAAAAACM/sckr_F9iYeU/s1600/blog+rust.jpg

[STYLEISKING]

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kenya

[STYLEISKING]

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[jib25]

Anyone know what the deal is/was with the Sabotaz cans with the owl design? Are they still produced? Thx...

[HAL]

I can't say I've ever seen the owl design. Flicks?

[SheenOne]

double post

[SheenOne]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6729145079_dea7a7a3ab.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56958002@N07/6729145079/)
New valspar (and overpriced) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56958002@N07/6729145079/)

at this price... SMFH

[STYLEISKING]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvrsprZoNo1r07opuo1_500.jpg

[Bakardy!]

old rusto yes!

[Europe]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/376070_299125086793277_287545991284520_819508_2014 597279_n.jpg

New Pyro colors from UK, more info here:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/PYRO-Colors/287545991284520?sk=wall

[STYLEISKING]

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[kern]

osh's tall blacks and whites are really good. 3.50 a can. german outlines and rusto fats work really well on them.

[SheenOne]

hell yes and the regular cans are like 2 something.. decent paint at a good price.. and they still have the female valve thankfully

[eviltrailer77]

75% of what I do is OSH silver or gold, flat black and flat white. Wish they still had the pale yellow, that shit was buttah.

[numero051]

Is anyone in the US familiar with shipping cans?

Thanks in advance!

Pardon my ignorance if it's been answered already.

[Bakardy!]

ups ground

[numero051]

How are you packing them so they don't rattle?

And how many have you shipped at a time?

How much did it cost?

[Bakardy!]

full cans can get pricey bc your paying by weight... just wrap em in newspaper or some kinda packing material.... and make sure the box is snug...

[InfraRed]

http://distilleryimage9.s3.amazonaws.com/0767b4ea3b0b11e180c9123138016265_7.jpg


I spy a can of Nelson Aero-Spot

[HAL]

How are you packing them so they don't rattle?

And how many have you shipped at a time?

How much did it cost?


Unless you're shipping euro paint with the metal mixing balls and pop a magnet on the bottom, you can't stop it from rattling. Normally, I pack each can individually with bubble wrap and fill the loose space with newspaper, or packing peanuts if i have them. The idea is to prevent the contents from shifting as much as possible. When they have room to roll around is when you start to have problems.
I've only shipped out a handful at a time, but received shipments of over 100 cans. If you're running a mailorder, i believe you have to ship spray paint as ORM-D, which is a regulated material you may or may not need to pay extra to ship.
Of course, shipping old cans has its own set of problems. Age could weaken some part of the can, maybe a minor defect in the seam crimping or the valve spring. You never know. I always insure cans over 10 years old, or make them shipping safe by removing the propellant with a drilled hole in the bottom, etc.

[stacksmalone]

daaayyyymmmmn europe .. please send me some of the cans in black please

[stacksmalone]

damn .. def a lot of cans out in the world .. i want them all

anyone have one of those old school ironlak lids laying around? the dome one

[Stakk]

Anyone know what the deal is/was with the Sabotaz cans with the owl design? Are they still produced? Thx...

Its not an owl, its a cat. And they still make it. Its on their 600ml tall black cans. I have a few.

[STYLEISKING]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yFJI__2_sAw/Tys4bpdNteI/AAAAAAAABok/RraLUp4oyiA/s400/Screen%2Bshot%2B2012-02-03%2Bat%2B12.28.29%2BPM.png

[stacksmalone]

that red and black can is retarded

[STYLEISKING]

http://senseslost.com/third-rail-content/uploads/all-in-one-spray-paint-can.jpg
All in One Spray Paint Can
This concept spray paint can allows you to change the color of the paint.
Source: 1x.com

[STYLEISKING]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyqa5ptdFL1ql10d3o1_500.jpg
Belton Chicken. Limited edition presumably

[Feed Yer Ego]

hell yes and the regular cans are like 2 something.. decent paint at a good price.. and they still have the female valve thankfully

any chain hardware stores sell this? i can't say i've ever seen it

[eviltrailer77]

It's a west coast thing, strictly between the bay and LA.

[blk]

Has anyone tried out the black, white, and chrome 1 dollar cans at walmart? I can see them only being good for fills but how are they? Im all about the bang for the buck.

[Bakardy!]

chrome was good.. they stopped selling it east coast a while ago...

[eviltrailer77]

West coast too. They discontinued chrome, almost two years ago now. Whats on the shelf is all that's left.

[InfraRed]

It contained aluminum dust.
I haven't found a single can of ColorPlace Aluminum since it was discontinued, and the other colors I won't take for free.
I was wondering if older ColorPlace is thicker, though.

[yomommasaho]

RIP those $1 silvers

[blk]

damn thats a shame. so its not even worth the dollar?

[Bakardy!]

the chrome are def worth it buy all of them

[yomommasaho]

..the other colors tho, not really. better off spending the extra however much
on rusto white, black, w/e and not spending 4 hours filling in a throw up..

seriously tho, those silvers were the shit

[STYLEISKING]

http://makeyourmark.fi/gallery/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/kids-clean-up-ya-room-1989.jpg

[Lew Blum]

ATTENTION: PLEASE HELP MAD ESC.KD.WH.NSF WITH HIS FIGHT AGAINST CANCER.


http://madvscancer.bigcartel.com/

Here's a link to a site that's taking donations for this cause. They're also looking for artists to donate work to be sold off. 100% of the profits will go toward helping MAD battle this terrible disease.

Please donate whatever you can and spread this message to everyone you know. Thanks.

[MN Metal]

Hardcore2? anyone know anything bout this?

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7095/7008030223_49f21f826e_o.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564666_208305689269563_128646930568773_288382_2556 85265_n.jpg

[STYLEISKING]

http://www.graffiti-magazine.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/justfill.jpg
refill!!!!

[MN Metal]

info about MTN Hardcore 2 from Jase at MTN:

"The valve has not changed. Same caps will fit. The paint has been re-formulated to dry faster. Some colors have been discontinued and 40 new colors have been introduced. Probably more later.
Original Hardcore will probably cease to exist sometime this summer"

[eviltrailer77]

Cool, I was always leery of the dry time of hardcore., and a couple of the colors are a bit dusty for that price range.

[slyle]

Anyone have any experience with this stuff.....I have seen it in other brands but not Rusto, assuming similar to undercoating/Tar black....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rust-Oleum-Leak-Seal-Flex-Rubber-Coating-Roofs-Flashing-Concrete-lot-6-/230772636505?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bb1efb59#ht_500wt_922

[jib25]

http://www.graffiti-magazine.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/justfill.jpg
refill!!!!

Yes yes! Will come in handy for those Cascade Green Rusto brush paint cans ; )

[Europe]

Quick Spraypaint from Norway colorchart from the 80s
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/483575_117185565072111_100003420030938_10447_32652 2643_n.jpg

[Europe]

Marabou from Swiss colorchart from the 80s
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/555932_117253961731938_100003420030938_10477_13627 44985_n.jpg

[Europe]

Ultracolor, 80s brand
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/535696_117225695068098_100003420030938_10465_17769 4791_n.jpg

[STYLEISKING]

http://img1.ilovegraffiti.de/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/04/allinone_01.jpg

Mister Solo has mocked up a concept spray can which can spray in three different colours, allowing the user to adjust how much of each (cyan, magenta, yellow) comes out of the nozzle. Not possible to go into mass production but great image!

[STYLEISKING]

http://www.thelaunderground.com/Blog1/photos/photo06.jpg
http://www.thelaunderground.com/images/Blog-Events/Ovie-NYC-All-City.jpg
http://www.thelaunderground.com/images/Blog-Events/Talib-Kweli-All-City-Paint.jpg
http://www.thelaunderground.com/images/Blog-Events/Blade-using-All-City.jpg
http://www.thelaunderground.com/images/Blog-Events/All-City-Spray-Paint.jpg
http://www.channel1online.com/images/article-110.jpg
http://400mlfiends.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/dsc04090255b2255d.jpg?w=446&h=299
all city spray paint

[geargff]

anyone use the new valspars? what do you guys prefer for hardware store paint nowadays?

[HAL]

I've always had a problem with Valspar doing the color change thing on me, no matter how much i shake the can. Especially the pinks, purples and blues.