Spray Paint

[kinging shit]

alright im sure this has been discussed before, but does anyone know anything about Canada's Pride? Is it the same thing as American's Pride? It says True Blue, so is it Rusto Paint in a different label? The Closeout Store near me has a shit ton of that stuff for only 75 cents a can. Tremclad Fire Red was another brand that they had. Anyone Know???

[livejig]

Why not rack or buy 2 cans and try it?

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

I know canucks that swear by tremclad...worth trying it. 75 cents a can, its all worth trying.

[bitchthatcaghtmyeye]

Tremclad is the Canadian equivalent of Rusto, Definitely worth racking or 75 cents.

[IRON CHEF]

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[B!G D]

how is that stuff Chef?

[Top gun]

It's the basic version of the Molotow. Less pigment, but good stuff.

[BOILFAST]

alright im sure this has been discussed before, but does anyone know anything about Canada's Pride? Is it the same thing as American's Pride? It says True Blue, so is it Rusto Paint in a different label? The Closeout Store near me has a shit ton of that stuff for only 75 cents a can. Tremclad Fire Red was another brand that they had. Anyone Know???

jesus where the fuck is this store??
i'd go buy them out if i were you, it's unlikely you'll get another chance like this

[?ar]

^you my friend, have no idea where to look

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That Rustoleum Blue in the back looks daaaaaaaaaaaaamn cold!

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[PreOne]

style,,,is that heaven?? i thought it was a lie but now i believe....i better repent now

[STYLEISKING]

looks like heaven to me!

[eko_one]

anybody know some good discontinued krylon colors?
i already know of jungle green but what are some others?:huh:

[state*]

looks like heaven to me!

nah bro, that looks like hell, cuz thats where id go if i had all those.

[bootybrown]

maaan i wanna see revok piece with walmart cans fer the fuck of it

[PreOne]

ull never see that .. only us poor slobs have to do that shit ..

[boom snap clap]

that checkout counter is dope

[mac and pc]

i got some of that sabotaz, very nice, some of the colors are kinda thin but i like it.
also smells really fucking weird.

[eviltrailer77]

that sabotaz smells like the euro sparvar from back in the day. at least from what i remember...

[PreOne]

allright; im going to go toy on this one .....
fattest caps for ironlak?
fattest caps for rusto?

anyone ? i used pink dots on ironlak..kinda thin especially in the cold..[ironlak suuuuuuuucks in the cold!!!!]
i also put a pink dot on rusto..leaking mess..
"nyfats" are not very fat at all ..come on whats the fuckin formula.. i hate catchin tags with wack caps ..

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

i mostly use NY fats so i cant say on rusto. find them to be the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph8LCxY2UtE
these work pretty good on ironlak but not rusto. since they are built for smaller valve cans. and tend to gush/leak on rusto since rusto is a large valve can.

[pedoe]

Smells like coconut,vanilla sun tan lotion.

they should sell it at target

[SomeHerb]

All you toys dont go out wasting your money on ironlak and montana start off using rusto and krylon because thats a waste once you get better you can go out use all that good shit

[ugene]

id rather use rusto over that stuff anyways. :rolleyes:

[chode]

iornlaks spray's and smells so nice.

[injury]

allright; im going to go toy on this one .....
fattest caps for ironlak?
fattest caps for rusto?

anyone ? i used pink dots on ironlak..kinda thin especially in the cold..[ironlak suuuuuuuucks in the cold!!!!]
i also put a pink dot on rusto..leaking mess..
"nyfats" are not very fat at all ..come on whats the fuckin formula.. i hate catchin tags with wack caps ..

rusto fats are really the only thing i know of that works alright on rusto. sometimes orange dots work but they're irregular...

on lak? my boy uses those silver super fats..

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

my personal views for fat caps.. ny fat or the obvious rusto fat on rusto.. 75% of the time ny fat works but when it doesnt, then rusto fat is fine... maybe once ina while use those orange dots... on the ironlak.. i use ny fat and whatever else looks good haha

[100%juice]

allright; im going to go toy on this one .....
fattest caps for ironlak?
fattest caps for rusto?

anyone ? i used pink dots on ironlak..kinda thin especially in the cold..[ironlak suuuuuuuucks in the cold!!!!]
i also put a pink dot on rusto..leaking mess..
"nyfats" are not very fat at all ..come on whats the fuckin formula.. i hate catchin tags with wack caps ..

fattest caps on ironlak.. cant say. its too dodgy a paint to be using on freights so i really dont carry it. sometimes it works right, sometimes not at all. sometimes a good valve, and sometimes a bad one. fuck that.

fattest caps on rusto.. pink dots. covers the largest amount of surface area for a regular cap. far as i know, but i really havent tried to do some extensive scientific testing.

as far as fat caps go i generally stick with a rusto fat, you know.. small cap with little ridges on the sides and an orange center. i just like how consistent a line i can get with it. it seems to have a real nice action when used with rusto, krylon, and spanish montana. def not the fattest of fat caps but i think its the most versatile.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Pretty sure PreOne knows what a Rusto Fat is...

[PreOne]

lol yeah i do ,i eat them bitches like captain crunch lol..and pinkdots leak and explode on a.a. --you would think with all this high tech graffiti supply shit going on
they would have perfected this cap shit ..
fuck it ill go back to burning caps with sewing needles and making ink with carbon paper

[Feed Yer Ego]

ANYONE EVER USE TOUCH'N'TONE?

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[seoren]

worst paint ever.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Silver is actually ok

[seoren]

eh. its wayy overpriced were i found it..

[aim4infamy]

silver krylon paint is where its at. all i need is coverage and the silver gets it done. plus its the only can with the regular caps still on it.

[Kilo559]

krylon is good beginner paint and so is rusto. i personally like these for just messing around but ironlak is the best hands down

[injury]

silver krylon paint is where its at. all i need is coverage and the silver gets it done. plus its the only can with the regular caps still on it.

last time i used their silver it actually was really thin. i couldnt tell you why.

[Vapid]

i used that touch n tone and it was absolute shit. i used black and white. it was expensive where i found it too 3 cans was like 9 and change.

fattest cap on ironlak that ive used so far is the astro fat i think its called. i forgot but its clear with a black dot

[sbd315]

i started using rusto like a year ago and i love it, it is mad cheap and great for throwies. when i started writing i used cheap ass cans of color place (which clearly sucks). when i have money i try and buy molotow preferablly xxl classic. the can lasts awhile. :)

[Stotter]

I had a white can of touch n tone before. I didn't really use it. A friend did. But the valve system sucks on it. I tried like 5 different caps on it and they all sprayed the same. It's only like $1 here.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

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[Stotter]

awesome ghost attachment!

Haha I don't know who edited it in there.

[PreOne]

jesus' christos.......

[ugene]

went to a spot yesterday with sum rusto and the elmers setup and i was usin a tall white and the paint was comin out the cap sputtery and like squeezing out like play doh. this hasnt ever happend, anyone know the deal on that?

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

yea, shake the can like crazy, put on a rusto fat, spray the can, turn upside down and clear/spray nozzle, shake more, repeat steps.

[LIDO]

i came across a shit ton of red devil that is really cheap. less than 2 bucks a can. is it worth it?

[Feed Yer Ego]

i came across a shit ton of red devil that is really cheap. less than 2 bucks a can. is it worth it?

someone in this thread a year or so ago was singing the praise of red devil black being exceptionally dope for the price

[LIDO]

thank you sir. i will be heading back to the spot tomorrow.

[Feed Yer Ego]

fore shore. if i were you i'd grab a couple black then one or two of every color.

then i'd go fuck with 'em. see where they stand. if they're worth the weight a go back and clean 'em out

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

keep some, use some, and sell the rest. you could make a bundle selling them to collectors on here.

[Feed Yer Ego]

keep some, use some, and sell the rest. you could make a bundle selling them to collectors on here.

i think it's the new/current red devil that can be found at shermin williams stores or some shit

[matt.wh]

thats a lot of paint :P

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

i think it's the new/current red devil that can be found at shermin williams stores or some shit

didnt know they were still in business. i'll have to check that out.

[injury]

didnt know they were still in business. i'll have to check that out.

it's a dollar store brand now.. dont make too much of an effort

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[PreOne]

ahhhhhh the good ole days !!!

[LIDO]

it's a dollar store brand now.. dont make too much of an effort


yea i spotted them at big lots.

[nightsblood]

Whats the deal with that sabotaz shit? DOes it fade, things like that i wanna know.

purple and magenta type colors from any brand will fade faster than other colors. although some brands have UV inhibitors that slow this down. belton is good in this area. MTN and ironlak purples are notoriously fade prone, not to mention krylon.

sabotaz overall doesn't fade much and is generally thick, reliable paint. it's flat so it dries very fast. lemon yellow is one of the best, thickest yellows ive used. yellow green is probably the best covering jungle green type color ive used. it's probably underrated because they don't do so much promotion as some of the other brands. they are selling it really cheap on oinkartld.com right now.

[orarok08]

Just picked up some Sabotaz. Purple Rain from Montana Black doesn't fade very quickly. Hope the new Blackline is better.

[DEEN XMEN]

just another example of how puritanical america does not support free thinking and the arts

we are rusto/krylon etc main purchasing/racking demographic and instead of [even if secretly] catering to graffiti/mural artists they continually make our lives miserable, by
fuckng up valves/discontinuing colors/changing formulas etc etc etc ... they can very easily make high quality / cheap paint that im sure most of us would gladly buy ..wtf!?!?!?
what a bad business plan..thats like dunkin donuts discontinuing coffee ..who is making the decisions at these companies?? do they really think by making these awful decisions they will discourage graffiti?? they still havent learned graffiti writers are the most ingenious mfers
on the planet ..if we cant buy it , we steal it ...if we cant steal it, we make it,,if it doesn't exist, we invent it ...and so on and so on ... wise up Rustoleum & Krylon we are your best, most loyal fucking customers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YO PRE was that aimed at me? LOL :)

[DEEN XMEN]

Valspar paint is garbage.. Lasts a lil over 3 months tops in a outdoor enviorment!

[Kandybah]

purple and magenta type colors from any brand will fade faster than other colors. although some brands have UV inhibitors that slow this down. belton is good in this area. MTN and ironlak purples are notoriously fade prone, not to mention krylon.

sabotaz overall doesn't fade much and is generally thick, reliable paint. it's flat so it dries very fast. lemon yellow is one of the best, thickest yellows ive used. yellow green is probably the best covering jungle green type color ive used. it's probably underrated because they don't do so much promotion as some of the other brands. they are selling it really cheap on oinkartld.com right now.

Very well said =]

For the sabotaz yeah on yellow, yellow are almost always watery (how it's made yeah?). I got to play around with some from this art store wanting people to try it out. Usually reluctant to pay for 'premium' paints in some cases. It is pretty nice stuff. Great price on oink too no doubt.

I'm going to look at this Velspar from home depot. Lady_Sec was telling me about it. Cheap price and lots of pastel colors, so go for me huh. Female valve system also. hmmm i guess it's time for me to hit that search button lol


EDIT:

''Valspar paint is garbage.. Lasts a lil over 3 months tops in a outdoor enviorment!''

said this as I was posting. that really sucks to hear. should have figured.

[eviltrailer77]

The velspar silvers arent that bad, its the colors that blow. I have never been let down by velspar silver. But its hard to fuck up silver, even colorplace got it rite.

[DEEN XMEN]

The velspar silvers arent that bad, its the colors that blow. I have never been let down by velspar silver. But its hard to fuck up silver, even colorplace got it rite.

Color Place = Sherman Willams

I don't get all this hype over new "silvers" and bitumen paints.. all garbage. Paint is paint some is thick and good and some is watery and runny. It's definitely not worth paying extra for "hype"

[4horsemen]

anyone use that new krylon h2o series? is it any good? got some fresh colors.

[DEEN XMEN]

[QUOTE=4horsemen;7172674]anyone use that new krylon h2o series?..

H2O water based aerosol.. It's ok I wouldn't buy it!

[DEEN XMEN]

I need some advice .. What do you guys think of the 360 valve?

BIGMETAL, PRE you got alot of experience on this I need some suggestions!

[xaaronx]

speaking of krylon, i dropped by a local hobby store and they had some watermelon and a few other ugly shades of the old krylon. i just picked up one can of the watermelon. man, i missed the shit out of this stuff. 100x easier to control than rustoleum... brings back a lot of memories with old friends. it's not the thickest stuff in the world but fuck... the color selection, how nicely it flowed, the SUPER crisp lines almost no matter what.

which reminds me, i was looking at the BBQ krylon paint (i think) at walmart the other day and it still had the old valve system. i'm going to get a few and see if they work even near as well as the ultra flat black did.

[NoExceptions]

^New krylon silver still has the old valves, throw a pink dot on it for some good clean fun

[xaaronx]

I need some advice .. What do you guys think of the 360 valve?

BIGMETAL, PRE you got alot of experience on this I need some suggestions!

steer away. that shit sucks.

[xaaronx]

^New krylon silver still has the old valves, throw a pink dot on it for some good clean fun

ah right. forgot those have it too. only thing is, their silver is shit. practically water.

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

you have to shake it forever.
but krylon with an NY fat is divine

[DEEN XMEN]

steer away. that shit sucks.

Any particular reason why they suck? I'd like some of your experience please.

[DEEN XMEN]

Ok people I need some serious feedback.. I'm in the process of devolping a spray paint line.

The paint formulation itself is completed. I got 2 lines coming:

1. A line that is exactly the same as Montana Gold but the difference is the UV coating and color fading is 5x better.

2. A line that is 1.5x thicker than Rustoleum and lasts far longer as well.

Pricing for the 1st line let's call it "A line premium" for now will be around $5 - 5.50 a can.
Pricing for the 2nd line let's call it "B line for now" will be around $3.50 - 3.75 per can.

I NEED YOUR CON'S / PRO'S ON THE VALVE SYSTEM. I'm considering the 360 valve but I need some help for my fellow graphers / writers please.

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[DEEN XMEN]

^ You must shop alot at autozone.. Personally I wouldn't "buy" none of these brands.

"P

[injury]

Ok people I need some serious feedback.. I'm in the process of devolping a spray paint line.

The paint formulation itself is completed. I got 2 lines coming:

1. A line that is exactly the same as Montana Gold but the difference is the UV coating and color fading is 5x better.

2. A line that is 1.5x thicker than Rustoleum and lasts far longer as well.

Pricing for the 1st line let's call it "A line premium" for now will be around $5 - 5.50 a can.
Pricing for the 2nd line let's call it "B line for now" will be around $3.50 - 3.75 per can.

I NEED YOUR CON'S / PRO'S ON THE VALVE SYSTEM. I'm considering the 360 valve but I need some help for my fellow graphers / writers please.

the 360 valve? fan tips? naw my dude... go for the old krylon valves...

[bitefight]

artprimo is selling some krylon with the old valves

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

360 valve system is the downfall for krylon, thats why normally we dont buy them... so go for the european valves

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

speaking of krylon, i dropped by a local hobby store and they had some watermelon and a few other ugly shades of the old krylon. i just picked up one can of the watermelon. man, i missed the shit out of this stuff. 100x easier to control than rustoleum... brings back a lot of memories with old friends. it's not the thickest stuff in the world but fuck... the color selection, how nicely it flowed, the SUPER crisp lines almost no matter what.

which reminds me, i was looking at the BBQ krylon paint (i think) at walmart the other day and it still had the old valve system. i'm going to get a few and see if they work even near as well as the ultra flat black did.

BBq black is like UFB flaring... it kinda gets all over though cause of the overspray.. but overral i give it a 10-10 rating. For outlining.. Its crispy and clean, so its great

[P3ZS]

get a peice of silverware and pop off the spot where paint comes out if in the new krylon valve system and you get a fat spray.

valspar any good? tempted to try it. but idk

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

get a peice of silverware and pop off the spot where paint comes out if in the new krylon valve system and you get a fat spray.

valspar any good? tempted to try it. but idk



Valspar... its more like a hit and miss for watery. ive had a few before, the silver and gold to me is pretty good, but most other colors are watery, especially the 99cent or so cheap ass ones.. theres more about valspar somewere in this thread, should go searchin:scrambled:

[P3ZS]

thanks. ill try some diff colors and kinds out next time i go on a racking spree

[bitefight]

the valspar satin colors are good

[DEEN XMEN]

the 360 valve? fan tips? naw my dude... go for the old krylon valves...


I'm talking about the 360 "valve system". The valve is where the actuators aka fat caps, tips etc is inserted.

The 360 I'm talking about is the type that can be sprayed from any angle/point ie: upside down etc.

Thanks for your response though..

[DEEN XMEN]

360 valve system is the downfall for krylon, thats why normally we dont buy them... so go for the european valves

You guys are thinking of the "tips/actuators" I'm talking about the actual valve system..

Thanks for the response.

[DEEN XMEN]

BIGMETAL .. Man it was great talking to you.. You 1000% know your stuff!

[Feed Yer Ego]

BBq black is like UFB flaring... it kinda gets all over though cause of the overspray.. but overral i give it a 10-10 rating. For outlining.. Its crispy and clean, so its great

WAY TOO MUCH SPUTTER FOR OUTLINING PIECES IMO

don't do it

i outlined with that shit for 6 months straight (despite a head or two on here warning me of the sputter)

i was broke and thought it was just the best choice for some reason

trust that it's best saved for tag/bomb action

rusto with a ny thin/boston thin work just fine if you can't scrape together 6 or 7 bucks for mtn94 or belton for outlines


anyone use that new krylon h2o series? is it any good? got some fresh colors.

i only got 1 letter out of a whole can of coral reef

the blue looked pretty good when my friend was using it, except runny/drippy as fuuuuuuck

the yellow is one of the worst spraypaints ever made

and i couldn't get any caps other than the stock to work on 'em

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

thats why you throw on a gray dot when you outline with it, but other caps out there you are mos def right... it worked fine for me

[xaaronx]

picked up a can of the BBQ krylon just to try it. i liked it, i guess. i wish it were a little more flat but it doesn't drip much at all for being krylon. i also had to go over my lines twice for it to be black. the first run it was like slightly transparent grayish? i just like that fact that it's so easy to control and the caps that work on them.

[Crystal.method]

So, I gotta bunch of euro tips. that dont do SHIT on rustos american accents. so. what the fuck good are they for if i dont ahve any more euro paint cants.

also with the american accents. whats the best cap for flares for this shit, i just have a grip of rusto fat tips, but my ny fat tips dont work for shit on em, all sputter and blowback from the bottom of the tips.

Some one give me the 101 on these.

[DAT-DEWD-DIERWUN]

yo i like the montana's lately they have ben doin a real gewd job and the price at $3.00 isnt too bad u noe for a gewd night out onthe town

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

Uhh. I doubt alot of people here get montanas for 3$ a tin..

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

So, I gotta bunch of euro tips. that dont do SHIT on rustos american accents. so. what the fuck good are they for if i dont ahve any more euro paint cants.

also with the american accents. whats the best cap for flares for this shit, i just have a grip of rusto fat tips, but my ny fat tips dont work for shit on em, all sputter and blowback from the bottom of the tips.

Some one give me the 101 on these.

I use NY fats on rustos for hands...if the can leaks, i let out pressure.. works for me. NY skinnys for outlining with rustos... for euro caps idk i dont fuck with them.

[5150*]

forel mine are free

[xaaronx]

I use NY fats on rustos for hands...if the can leaks, i let out pressure.. works for me. NY skinnys for outlining with rustos... for euro caps idk i dont fuck with them.

has nothing to do with pressure. the stems on the ny fats are too skinny for the rusto valves as is. to make them work, pick up a 2mm allen wrench, put it in the stem of the cap (it's about a perfect fit), then take a lighter and holder it a little under it while spinning the cap so it doesn't just melt it. after heating it up for no more than a few seconds, take the allen wrench and make the end flare a little bit. not too much or it won't even go into the hole. ya know? here's a picture so you have an idea:

http://i47.tinypic.com/2ywzfxd.jpg


just took 10 minutes out of my life. be happy.

[DEEN XMEN]

INJURY: YOU'VE HELPED ME ALOT WITH YOUR THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK!

THANK YOU!

[Feed Yer Ego]

deen xmen...i don't really think there's much point in the 360

i don't see how being able to hold a can upside down and spray is needed except for maybe doing hangovers


just go with something that has the most cap compatibility and pressure control if possible

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

Interesting tip. idk normally if i did that it worked fine so i was convinced.. but that mos def makes sense...

[DEEN XMEN]

deen xmen...i don't really think there's much point in the 360

i don't see how being able to hold a can upside down and spray is needed except for maybe doing hangovers


just go with something that has the most cap compatibility and pressure control if possible

Thanks for your honest opinion.. Yeah I'm gonna scrap the 360 valve Idea and find something that works with the majority of the caps.

[STYLEISKING]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2451/3574154104_16e6a4e397_o.jpg
quick spray paint from norway 1978

[orarok08]

Dope can. Is it like 'Appliance White'?

[DEEN XMEN]

ART IS SIN AKA ARTISSIN IS COMING!

TIME TO PUT THESE "GREEDY FOREIGN CORPORATIONS" and "Made In China" garbage to rest.

I've listened to everyones feedback, expectations and private messages on what they would like in a aerosol paint aka spray paint. Hopefully I will be able to fulfill those wishes.


Graffiti is a art form created right here in America it wasn't created in Europe, China etc. Yet we're stuck buying over priced foreign garbage continuously.


The Paint and every single component of it will be 100% made right here in America.

I'll be giving free some samples away soon as I get it completed.

It's time for all Americans to wake up and take a stand. There are no damn jobs in this country because of cheap garbage flooding our country. For us to get back on top everyone has to take an active part. This isn't about just paint it's about taking our country back!!

I know some of you won't like this but it's a fact!

[Twofiftylbs]

Is it any good?

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/eightytrey/23f8032b.jpg

[?ar]

only one way to find out boss

[DEEN XMEN]

Is it any good?

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab296/eightytrey/23f8032b.jpg

I've used it.. it's a upgrade to the Walmart colorplace paint. It's not bad if you buy it for $1.50 a can. If you pay more than that then it's not worth it.

[TRILLionare]

Help. Which is better?
This?
http://artprimo.com/catalog/images/spray_paint/mtn-750ml-maximo-can.jpg

or

this in 600ml?
http://artprimo.com/catalog/images/spray_paint/molotow-burner-chrome.jpg

i know the mtn is bigger, but the last tall mtn that i had ran out pretty quickly.

which is better as far as getting the most for your paint? and which works better with rusto flat black and white?

[Feed Yer Ego]

i've heard the mtn tall cans run out of pressure when they're getting close to the bottom. same thing happens with the rusto tall cans.

idk about the molotow, but i just couldn't see myself paying out the ass for chrome paint

[trowel ewk]

360 valve system is the downfall for krylon,

Agreed.....I hate the new krylon as much as anyone but i can't get enough of the watermelon :)

http://www.tcpglobal.com/SprayPaintDepot/images/KRY53533.JPG

[injury]

ART IS SIN AKA ARTISSIN IS COMING!

TIME TO PUT THESE "GREEDY FOREIGN CORPORATIONS" and "Made In China" garbage to rest.

I've listened to everyones feedback, expectations and private messages on what they would like in a aerosol paint aka spray paint. Hopefully I will be able to fulfill those wishes.


Graffiti is a art form created right here in America it wasn't created in Europe, China etc. Yet we're stuck buying over priced foreign garbage continuously.


The Paint and every single component of it will be 100% made right here in America.

I'll be giving free some samples away soon as I get it completed.

It's time for all Americans to wake up and take a stand. There are no damn jobs in this country because of cheap garbage flooding our country. For us to get back on top everyone has to take an active part. This isn't about just paint it's about taking our country back!!

I know some of you won't like this but it's a fact!

I agree.

[B!G D]

free?

I'm in

[DEEN XMEN]

No one talks like this, this dude isnt getting montana for 3 dollars a can.

Also, krylon without the 360 can was shit.

Although i dont think you're really developing a line of paint, no, the 360 valve system sucks, as you cant mix the cans together as easily, and many writers mix dregs to make full cans.


"You don't think I'm developing a line of paint" - You sound like someone jealous. I don't got time for silly 2 year old childish playground drama.

BASE YOUR STATEMENT ON FACTS NOT SPECULATION NEXT TIME".


-> SEE THE LINK: www.artissin.com

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

DEEN,

Links actually broken my man. Copy and paste to get it to work.

[DEEN XMEN]

DEEN,

Links actually broken my man. Copy and paste to get it to work.


Thanks.. as you were writing it I was fixing it.. It was a problem with the html coding.

The samples I sent you are supposed to arrive today, not sure if you got bad weather there as well.

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

I think it came last night, but I wasn't able to grab them. Should see them today :)

[injury]

Thanks.. as you were writing it I was fixing it.. It was a problem with the html coding.

The samples I sent you are supposed to arrive today, not sure if you got bad weather there as well.

One idea I had... throwin it out there.. it would be ill if you "re-made" older krylon colors that are now discontinued.

jungle green
icy grape
indian spice
terra cotta
pastel yellow
baby blue
coral


etc...

[Rustofills]

LOL

[DEEN XMEN]

One idea I had... throwin it out there.. it would be ill if you "re-made" older krylon colors that are now discontinued.

jungle green
icy grape
indian spice
terra cotta
pastel yellow
baby blue
coral


etc...


If you got me the color chart to it.. or even actual pictures of the tops, then yes I can do it.

Paint itself is not hard to make, I can match any color as long as I have something to use as reference.

The main problem for me is the "charging propellant aspect", You need a machine called a "charger/capper" and you need a HUGE gas tank to store the propellant. I'm looking to purchase the required machinery.

There used to be alot of companies here that used to be able to do the filling of my own paint into aerosol cans but they all went out of business due to the garbage products we import into our country from China. China = no jobs for Americans

[Rustofills]

hmm

[DEEN XMEN]

While all you linked me to was a homepage, and me being jelous makes no sense, i'll have to put my foot in my mouth on this one.

If bigmetalcircus is on the up and up, i know he is a stand up dude, so hopefully it will be priced less than that blubber colors crap.

Big Metal helped me alot on it.. Gave me alot of insight into things.

Everything is in order just the propellant charging aspect is the last step. I know alot of people got the "big talk" and nothing ever comes of it but a false dream.

I'm almost there, we'll have something good and not overpriced. Most importantly for me that it will be made in America!

[abcs]

im curious. As we all kno (or should kno) all paint is not
created equal. A can of garbage like say quick color does
NOT stack up against a can of Rustoleum Professional. I
rather have a half can of rusto than a new quick color.
Seems like this must have something to do with the amount
of pigment they put in the paint. As tho even as a can
of quick color is the same size there is less paint in the
paint(if that makes any sense) So my question. Has anybody
ever come across a guide that compares paint strength?

[DEEN XMEN]

One idea I had... throwin it out there.. it would be ill if you "re-made" older krylon colors that are now discontinued.

jungle green
icy grape
indian spice
terra cotta
pastel yellow
baby blue
coral


etc...



Injury you want these eh.. Quite some nice colors there!

[DEEN XMEN]

im curious. As we all kno (or should kno) all paint is not
created equal. A can of garbage like say quick color does
NOT stack up against a can of Rustoleum Professional. I
rather have a half can of rusto than a new quick color.
Seems like this must have something to do with the amount
of pigment they put in the paint. As tho even as a can
of quick color is the same size there is less paint in the
paint(if that makes any sense) So my question. Has anybody
ever come across a guide that compares paint strength?

Like every other product in the world.. The quality of the paint depends on the cost to actually make the paint and the quanity of paint being manufactured. ie: 10,000 cans of one color cost a whole lot cheaper versus making just 1,000 cans of one color.

The most expensive part of a paint is it's pigment. Cheap pigments = crappy paint.

You bascially get what you pay for 90% of the time. You pay a $1 for a can of color place you ain't getting the best paint but it's good enuff for $1 (well to me anyways). You pay $5 for a can of MTN94 or Molotow you get some quality stuff. If i'm buying paint the best bang for your buck is Rusto, Ironlak, Krylon, Colorplace = in that order for me.

RustoX2 is good choice to but it's hard to get ahold of that (well to me anyways). This paint got a male valve system. Trout art supplies ( http://www.troutartsupply.com ) got the best caps at the best prices for male valves. Got some killer deals on Rusto as well. Can't beat Rusto for $2 a can!!!

[injury]

Injury you want these eh.. Quite some nice colors there!

yessir!!!

thems.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2577/3850879291_8db9fce131_b.jpg

a lot of this desire for these colors is because i didnt start painting until after krylons became shitty... still had female valves but it was watery... always skipped it over for rusto at the store.

[orarok08]

Light Peach.

Missing those old colors.

Krylon had some newer colors that discontinued fast also.

[DEEN XMEN]

"HOPEFULLY" I Will be able to do something about this. I inquired about it yesterday. For me to actually match these discontinued colors I will need a "color standard" or actual caps from those colors. If some of you got some old tops to these colors let me know.

[not_guilty]

ok dont know if this has been done, i got my self some of that new german montana black first of all it does not stink it has non scented paint but alot of mist comes out though and gave me a huge head ache it covers well even on old rusty boxcars heaps of colors to chose from around 174 non drip high pressure all weather proof but yet to try it in rain or winter and low nosie but its a bit nosiey with a pink dot or a super fat cap post up your thoughts

[Europe]

Wear a mask.

[DEEN XMEN]

ok dont know if this has been done, i got my self some of that new german montana black first of all it does not stink it has non scented paint but alot of mist comes out though and gave me a huge head ache it covers well even on old rusty boxcars heaps of colors to chose from around 174 non drip high pressure all weather proof but yet to try it in rain or winter and low nosie but its a bit nosiey with a pink dot or a super fat cap post up your thoughts


I can say the "hype" behind this paint is just ridiculously stupid. Give anyone free paint and yeah they'll say whatever you want them to say. I would never pay over $5 for a can of paint to go do graff with it. Just cause you pay more for an "aerosol paint" doesn't mean the paint is better.

Montana = Gimmick marketing huge corporation. Getting richer and fatter off fools who think this paint is gonna some how make you a much better graffer cause you using a fancy can with special characteristics to hold the can better. Stupidest marketing/advertising bs I've ever heard! Most people wear gloves duoh so I don't see how you'll be able to grip the can better? Why not give a free lube of KY with every can? This would help get the can off your hands easier since you got special paint coating it LOL

I'm amazed how foolish alot of people are. You're more focused on what the can looks like rather than the quality of the paint inside the can. It should be the other way around!

All weather paint? You got to be a clown to paint in the rain. Graff has been around 40+ years now, why all of a sudden you need some "all weather bs"?

Get some Krylon, Rustoleum, Blackline, Goldline, Ironlak, Montana Hardcore and do a "dot test" with the exception of Krylon and it's sucky valve, watery like paint. They are all the same except for about a 5-15 second difference in "dry time".

It's always good to wear a mask though for health reasons but seriously if you're paying that MUCH for paint then it shouldn't be gassy at all!

Good review so far not_guilty thanks!

PEOPLE SHOULD ASK MONTANA WHY THEY HIDE THEIR MSDS SHEETS!
GOOD LUCK TRYING TO FIND THEM ONLINE OR ON THEIR SITE!

[FACTORY_MADE]

their what sheets?
and there are considerable differences between a can of paint meant for aerosol art and hardware use.
the new gold line of montana does cover alot better than the black and has a nice matte look that sticks beautifuly to the surface not too runny and not too thick. Pressures great. Low pressure cans and valve systems redefined the game man why you so mad? You not guna get the same lines and effects with rusto that you would with a nice montana gold can.
krylon is an obsolete paint now there arent many alternatives. Some people dont mind making the sacrifice for their art. I still paint with mostly rusto and only use montana to get cleaner outlines and shit and its a pain in the ass and in the future im gona try and use montana fot internal details as much as i can because the difference is there.

[poppacrok]

hate to change the topic here...

first off...those old colors...sex in a can. the pastel shades are so tight. if i saw them on a shelf i'd clear out the stock.
second...quality of paint doesn't mean quality of work. i've seen people paint dope pieces with quick color and dollar cans, standing next to someone using belton, and the end products..besides the variety of colors of belton...were pretty much on the same level.
it's not what's in the can..it's who's holding it.

alright back to me changing topics...
anybody used the new montana black? i got some cans on the way...just curious if people like it or what...

[.hopeless.]

i heard pretty good things about montana when it comes to quality..that being said i'll be damned if i spend 60 dollars to order 10 cans that im gonna blow through in a week anyways when i could easily go to the city and rack rusto and have it work just as well FOR FREE.so fuck it.plus german montana ripped off spanish mtn from what i heard so fuck them niggas anyways.


basicly what im saying is fuck buying expensive ass paint when you could just as easily rack that shit.do what you want though its all good.never used montana probably never will.but if it turns up and i can get it for free then hells yeah ima rock that shit. til then ima rock my rustoleum and dollar store silvers hahaha.

AND FUCK A MASK NIGGA.TAKE YOUR CANCER LIKE A MAN.

[esar71]

I AGREE THAT MONTANA OR OTHER SPECIALTY PAINTS CAN BE AWESOME IF YOU WANT TO PAY THE PRICE.I PERSONALLY THINK RUSTO IS AWESOME,IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM IS THE VALVE AND PRESSURE AREN'T ALWAYS GREAT FOR INTRICATE WORK.ON THE OTHER HAND I HAVE TRIED MONTANA MANY TIMES, AND I WAS ALWAYS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE PAINT QUALITY, NOT THE CAN.THE BLACK AND GOLD LINES HAVE BOTH GIVEN ME NUMEROUS PROBLEMS WITH BOTH DRIPS AND VALVE PROBLEMS.CONSTANTLY SHAKING THE CAN ALL THE WAY THREW AFTER EACH SPRAY,AT LEAST 5 OR MORE TIMES THE BLACK LINES LIGHTER COLORS WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS MIXING AND THE VALVES HAVE CEAZED OR CLOGGED FROM THE START. THE HARDCORE NEVER GAVE ME A PROBLEM ONCE, IN MY OPINION THAT IS THE WAY TO GO THERE. MOLOTOW IS AWESOME THERE BURNERS ARE UNMATCHED FOR BOMBING ESPECIALLY THE CHROME WITH A NEW YORK FAT CAP, SICK. TOO BAD RUSTO DOESN'T MAKE A LOWER PRESURE CAN WITH BETTER CAP OPTIONS.. I HAVE YET TO USE IRONLAK OR SABOTAZE. THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE MAYBE I JUST HAD BAD LUCK BECAUSE WHEN IT DID WORK I WAS VERY SATISFIED. ITS NOT A GAMBLE WORTH TAKING IF YOU PAY THAT PRICE.RUSTO BABY...

[DEEN XMEN]

MSDS = Material Safety Data Sheet. This sheet tells you what chemical/ingredients are used to manufacture/make the paint. Since all spray paints are considered hazardous materials and contain dangerous chemicals, they must by law provide a MSDS Sheet. Every other paint brand has theirs readily available on their websites with the exception of the German Montana brands (Montana Gold, Black etc).So I get the feeling they are hiding something about their brand of paint.

Sorry but I'm never paying over $5.50 for a can of paint unless it's for artistic work such as a burner, canvas etc. Montana Gold and Blackline got the most ridiculous prices out there. Their paint costs $7 - 10 a can! It's a straight rip off. The paint ain't even worth that kind of money, might as well buy airbrush paint instead. Matter of fact German Montana is a huge corporation that "STOLE" the idea and everything else from the smaller Barcelona Spain Spanish Montana. It's well documented and really easy to find on the internet.
Read the real story = http://www.a2planet.com/guide/work/index-revc.html#mtn

[Schnitzel]

I AGREE THAT MONTANA OR OTHER SPECIALTY PAINTS CAN BE AWESOME IF YOU WANT TO PAY THE PRICE.I PERSONALLY THINK RUSTO IS AWESOME,IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM IS THE VALVE AND PRESSURE AREN'T ALWAYS GREAT FOR INTRICATE WORK.ON THE OTHER HAND I HAVE TRIED MONTANA MANY TIMES, AND I WAS ALWAYS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE PAINT QUALITY, NOT THE CAN.THE BLACK AND GOLD LINES HAVE BOTH GIVEN ME NUMEROUS PROBLEMS WITH BOTH DRIPS AND VALVE PROBLEMS.CONSTANTLY SHAKING THE CAN ALL THE WAY THREW AFTER EACH SPRAY,AT LEAST 5 OR MORE TIMES THE BLACK LINES LIGHTER COLORS WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS MIXING AND THE VALVES HAVE CEAZED OR CLOGGED FROM THE START. THE HARDCORE NEVER GAVE ME A PROBLEM ONCE, IN MY OPINION THAT IS THE WAY TO GO THERE. MOLOTOW IS AWESOME THERE BURNERS ARE UNMATCHED FOR BOMBING ESPECIALLY THE CHROME WITH A NEW YORK FAT CAP, SICK. TOO BAD RUSTO DOESN'T MAKE A LOWER PRESURE CAN WITH BETTER CAP OPTIONS.. I HAVE YET TO USE IRONLAK OR SABOTAZE. THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE MAYBE I JUST HAD BAD LUCK BECAUSE WHEN IT DID WORK I WAS VERY SATISFIED. ITS NOT A GAMBLE WORTH TAKING IF YOU PAY THAT PRICE.RUSTO BABY...


I have emptied 100's of cans of Montana Black and Montana Gold in my time.

In all conditions frozen weather in the Ukraine at christmas time to Australain summer, from bare brick to unprimed concrete, to wet steel and have only had problems with two cans and these were from a well documented batch of cans which had faulty valves.

The new range is pretty good i used some on the weekend it does definitely need a shake because it is pretty thick.

The tips are good they are pretty fat but with a little can control you can get almost pencil lines with them.

For my money I'd take it over rusto anyday.

But that's because in Australia we used to pay the same for rusto as we did for Montana.

[FACTORY_MADE]

i know all about the conflict between the two brands. And you guys talking so much about rusto must not be piecing. I dont know why you would be talking about montana as a bombing paint i thought it was self explanatory that its only use is for pieces, detail work, etc.

i cant afford that montana shit and try as much as i can to do what i can with rusto but you know the proof is in the pudding man when im trying to cut lines and do internals, fine lines for highlights, triples, rusto just isnt cutting it. Its not 1985 anymore you cant get away with misted lines and undefined internals in the piece game. Especially now that every piecer making some kind of a name for himself is not only using this paint for all their pieces but getting to a point where boundaries are getting pushed further and further with it.

deen that was very informative though, that is very shady that they dont want to provide the necesary product information. This might sound unrealistic but as consumers we should try to apply pressure on these companies to divulge this kind of information. is it only the german montana or all the other graff paint companies doing this as well?

As far as iron lak i tried an orange of theirs it wasnt that bad my only real complaint lies in their valve system i was def having trouble putting things like banana caps on it and switching caps too much with ironlak is ur downfall

so far after experimenting with alot of the brands and caps my favorites to use are
montana gold because that matte finish is just dandy
montana hardcore is great really reliable paint
and above all belton all the way. Best paint i think on the market.

i havent tried spanish montanas new deluxe line or whatever the 94 joints? how are those?
:-D i cant wait till the weather starts to get nicer

[FACTORY_MADE]

this is the type of shit i could talk about all day

[.hopeless.]

no one is questioning the quality of the different graff paint.the reason i wont use german montana,other than the fact that they COMPLETELY ripped of mtn down to the name,is because it costs way too fucking much and where im at currently i would have to get it shipped which means i have to pay out the ass for shipping too,when i could easily just go and get some rustoleum or dollar cans and shit to piece with.if i lived in a city with a graffstore and i had the money to do it i might...


the only real incentive i see is their wide range of colors.but when your broke buying paint just isnt an option,some of us have bills to pay fool haha.

[!@#$%]

since we've been discussing paint in the yard for a decade, we're going to merge this.

[DEEN XMEN]

i know all about the conflict between the two brands. And you guys talking so much about rusto must not be piecing. I dont know why you would be talking about montana as a bombing paint i thought it was self explanatory that its only use is for pieces, detail work, etc.

i cant afford that montana shit and try as much as i can to do what i can with rusto but you know the proof is in the pudding man when im trying to cut lines and do internals, fine lines for highlights, triples, rusto just isnt cutting it. Its not 1985 anymore you cant get away with misted lines and undefined internals in the piece game. Especially now that every piecer making some kind of a name for himself is not only using this paint for all their pieces but getting to a point where boundaries are getting pushed further and further with it.

deen that was very informative though, that is very shady that they dont want to provide the necesary product information. This might sound unrealistic but as consumers we should try to apply pressure on these companies to divulge this kind of information. is it only the german montana or all the other graff paint companies doing this as well?

As far as iron lak i tried an orange of theirs it wasnt that bad my only real complaint lies in their valve system i was def having trouble putting things like banana caps on it and switching caps too much with ironlak is ur downfall

so far after experimenting with alot of the brands and caps my favorites to use are
montana gold because that matte finish is just dandy
montana hardcore is great really reliable paint
and above all belton all the way. Best paint i think on the market.

i havent tried spanish montanas new deluxe line or whatever the 94 joints? how are those?
:-D i cant wait till the weather starts to get nicer

It's only the German Montana that hides their MSDS Sheet. I truly believe they hide it on purpose. Go on any other paint companies websites, You can get the MSDS because it's available for everyone to read.

I really don't care what anyone thinks, to me Rusto Rocks all day long...

[not_guilty]

I can say the "hype" behind this paint is just ridiculously stupid. Give anyone free paint and yeah they'll say whatever you want them to say. I would never pay over $5 for a can of paint to go do graff with it. Just cause you pay more for an "aerosol paint" doesn't mean the paint is better.

Montana = Gimmick marketing huge corporation. Getting richer and fatter off fools who think this paint is gonna some how make you a much better graffer cause you using a fancy can with special characteristics to hold the can better. Stupidest marketing/advertising bs I've ever heard! Most people wear gloves duoh so I don't see how you'll be able to grip the can better? Why not give a free lube of KY with every can? This would help get the can off your hands easier since you got special paint coating it LOL

I'm amazed how foolish alot of people are. You're more focused on what the can looks like rather than the quality of the paint inside the can. It should be the other way around!

All weather paint? You got to be a clown to paint in the rain. Graff has been around 40+ years now, why all of a sudden you need some "all weather bs"?

Get some Krylon, Rustoleum, Blackline, Goldline, Ironlak, Montana Hardcore and do a "dot test" with the exception of Krylon and it's sucky valve, watery like paint. They are all the same except for about a 5-15 second difference in "dry time".

It's always good to wear a mask though for health reasons but seriously if you're paying that MUCH for paint then it shouldn't be gassy at all!

Good review so far not_guilty thanks!

PEOPLE SHOULD ASK MONTANA WHY THEY HIDE THEIR MSDS SHEETS!
GOOD LUCK TRYING TO FIND THEM ONLINE OR ON THEIR SITE!

i dont really use german montana that much but i just wanted to see what the new cans are like the black works fine but the chrome is ok

[FACTORY_MADE]

hell yeah i love all the overspray i get with rusto!

oh man and then when you try to layer rusto too much it starts to bubble and do that wierd drip thing and get all gross on you

im good man. Id rather save the 6$ i was going to spend on beer at a party filled with douchebags. And invest it into a nice color that i could do my bits and internals with on a number of different pieces and get results that to me can really make or break how i feel about my work.

fillin with rusto cool, shadow with rusto cool. blends with rusto dandy.

i mean you could get 12$ buy a neon pink, and a neon green and use those two colors on a number of different pieces. or fillin and shadow with rusto and just use the montana strictly for the outline and squeeze a couple of outlines out of it.

[FACTORY_MADE]

and on another note deen
I really respect what youre trying to do. Its crazy because i was talking just a few days ago about doing the same thing. Theres a huge gap in the american paint market that def needs to be filled.

[DEEN XMEN]

and on another note deen
I really respect what youre trying to do. Its crazy because i was talking just a few days ago about doing the same thing. Theres a huge gap in the american paint market that def needs to be filled.

Thanks bro.. I'm looking for a few good partners on this journey! I'm pretty much finished with everything just the last step.. the propellant filling. I should get that resolved really soon.

I'm a bust out with a nice silver that will make these gimmick Euro and China brands cry cuz I'm a sell it for like $2.75-$3 a can lol.

BUY AMERICAN PEOPLE.. GRAFF WAS CREATED HERE IN AMERICA!

[DEEN XMEN]

PS: TOMM I'll post pics of the silver tests. Finished it today in the train yard lol.

I would appreciate it if some of you can tell me your thoughts on the different propellants if you know anything about it.

DME vs. HydroCarbon etc.

[TRILLionare]

Hey deen, how big are you gonna make your cans. 12oz is nice, but a tall can is just better.
oooh. what about a super tall tall can? like a 40oz or somethin? that would be dank.

[DEEN XMEN]

Hey deen, how big are you gonna make your cans. 12oz is nice, but a tall can is just better.
oooh. what about a super tall tall can? like a 40oz or somethin? that would be dank.

The cans will be just 12 oz regular cans we use everyday. I don't have the kind of money to come out with various sizes.

Honestly from my personal experiences with painting/bombing. The tall cans suck to me, always something or the other goes wrong with them. So I'll just stick to the norm for now.

Trill to actually do something like that (40 oz can) The amount of propellant to the ratio of paint is 3:1

A 40oz can of paint wouldn't look like a 40 oz beer bottle lol.. It would actually be more like a small fire extinguisher!!! Who would want to carry that around?? Painting with a fire extinguisher that's something funny :D

Sup with your idea you kicked to me?? Let me know!

[DEEN XMEN]

Sample testing 101: In case you're wondering I don't have the required propellant filler/capper yet. So I have to use the Preval containers with the DME Propellant sprayer.

Same set up as any premium Euro can :)

Tested on old steel freight cars:

The 2nd picture is a macro close up of the actual surface adhesion

What better way to have product development than with real graffers eh?

NO FAKE LAB TESTING HERE! LOL





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[Silba]

Thats lookin pretty good there.
How would we buy off of you? I'd be lookin to buy some cans

[jesusfetus]

ironlak is on the seasonique birth control commercial at the end. i'm pretty sure it's linz iceburg.

[?ar]

i would also be interested in some to try it out

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

ironlak is on the seasonique birth control commercial at the end. i'm pretty sure it's linz iceburg.

I just googled that commercial. You are so right dude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xsnKcNgZW8

[Schnitzel]

wow if only seasopnique knew their ads were memorable but for all the wrong reasons!

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

I posted about that commercial in the Ironlak thread probably 9 months or so ago.

[DEEN XMEN]

Thats lookin pretty good there.
How would we buy off of you? I'd be lookin to buy some cans

Honestly I wish it was completed and ready for sale already but sadly the truth is I'm about a month or a lil longer away.

It's all good though, when it is ready to go it will be some good stuff at a even better price.

Thanks for your support ...

Keep America Rockin' Buy American made products!

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

A month? Dude I thought it was gonna be like years away from droppin.

I can wait a month or so for this. This shit better kill it.

[DEEN XMEN]

What does everyone think about this style of can vs the old style cans?
Let me know your thoughts.

Colors you'd like to see developed Flat or Gloss? I listen to everyone's input. We're all here on 12oz for a reason and that's cuz we all are in the graff/aerosol game or support/admire the culture. So yes what you say does matter!

This project just isn't about what I want .. It's about us as AMERICANS in the aerosol game.

So feedback and thoughts people.. since you're the ones that are going to matter the most.


Support your country buy American made products since this is the only way we gonna get jobs back to the good ol' USA!

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Product%20Development/CanStyle.jpg

Those valves will work on all caps, nozzles, tips, fat caps whatever you wanna call them. Even NY Skinnies!

Thanks to Big Metal Circus for schooling me on them. Respect BMC .. You know whats up.

[DEEN XMEN]

A month? Dude I thought it was gonna be like years away from droppin.

I can wait a month or so for this. This shit better kill it.


Man if I was years away I wouldn't even post here lol.. I'd look like a damn idiotic fool living in an illusion!

Just give me a chance, it's not easy for us as Americans trying to come up with something good for the aerosol/graff/graphic arts game! I don't wanna have some watery crap paint thinkin' it's the best thing since NYC Pizza ya know. When it's ready it's gonna be some good stuff that you'd wanna rock on a frequent basis.

So like I always say .. your input and everybody elses on here is very important.

[?ar]

to be honest if your shit works, im all about whatever can type ill rock whatever.

i can imagine most people would say flat, i dont care either way if it covers and is affordable ill get whatever

[eviltrailer77]

Satin is cool, but whatever covers better and has better surface tension (less tendency to run/sag). I would think most people would prefer the "classic can". for me those round topped cans get a bit slippery when the old palms start sweating.

[each]

its gotta have flat white and black at least. i dont mind everything else being gloss.

the one i really miss is ultra flat black.

it would be great if at least one american company could put out a paint that didnt either cost two times as much as any other paint, or actually ever start producing paint at all beyond a few check em out cans. If a US company ever came out with a paint comparable in price and quallity I'd be all on it.

[Dr. Dose]

yo anyone like the belton hp or tried em yet?

[GezOne]

yo anyone like the belton hp or tried em yet?

yea, its ok but it seems to spit a lot. like the lines arent all that clean from fat caps.

but it covers great.

[BOATS N HOES]

Classic can style Deen

[dontlookback]

yea, its ok but it seems to spit a lot. like the lines arent all that clean from fat caps.

but it covers great.

it does fine. i suggest super thin caps for medium sized lines. and make sure you shake it well....it has a lot of pigment. if your one of those kids that really values flare tags and such....its the best. its not recommended for pieceing (tho its possible and really does cover the best)....just bombing

[DEEN XMEN]

Classic can style Deen

So far it looks like that's the way I'm gonna go, classic cans with paper labeling for now. I can't afford to do like the spains, germans, chinese with the fancy lithograph, silk screened cans. For now my main goal is to focus on the paint inside the can, valve system and the fat/skinny caps.

I'm not focused on the cosmetics looks of the outside. The cans go in the garbage anways after you're done. So I hope this ain't too important. "I know there's alot of people out there who are more into the name of a paint brand and the way the can looks, instead of the overall quality of the paint."

Colors that will come out first:
SILVER( The one in the pics posted on here)
FLAT WHITE (I'll post test pictures tomm)
ULTRA FLAT BLACK (Krylon style) - I'm having a lil problem with this color but I'll get it right.

Tell me exactly what discontinued color you want first: Jungle Green?
If you want something else then tell me which !

This paint will not be some watery over priced crap that is for damn sure.

[injury]

Jungle Green... would be dope, my dude.
A bright Safety Purple would be ill too.

I am 100% for paint being good paint without a designer label. Paint and valves come first and i respect that you agree. it will be a pleasure doing business...

make sure you take M.O's!

[DEEN XMEN]

Jungle Green... would be dope, my dude.
A bright Safety Purple would be ill too.

I am 100% for paint being good paint without a designer label. Paint and valves come first and i respect that you agree. it will be a pleasure doing business...

make sure you take M.O's!

Injury you talking about the icy grape?

[injury]

ICY GRAPE!! is not the color i'm talking about in that post. But that would be on point as well.

Here's krylon's OSHA colors:

http://www.krylon.com/products/osha_paint/

check out the orange.

[Rustofills]

Shit the cats out of the bag.

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

hope this comes together and works out for you deen. an affordable paint with a good and reliable valve would be on point.

[DEEN XMEN]

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Product%20Development/artissincaptest.jpg

Fat Cap testing 101
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Close up of the scrape so you can see under to the white
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Scraped directly off the surface - 2 layers (Semi Gloss Black + Flat White)
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Product%20Development/R7.jpg

Semi - Gloss it actually looks wet but it's dry! Super close up!
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Product%20Development/R8.jpg

[DEEN XMEN]

Jungle Green... would be dope, my dude.
A bright Safety Purple would be ill too.

I am 100% for paint being good paint without a designer label. Paint and valves come first and i respect that you agree. it will be a pleasure doing business...

make sure you take M.O's!

You funny as hell lol. MO's lol

I got you bee

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Yeah man, I'm all about the color coded donuts.

It's freakin smart marketing putting your shit out here on the oontz and developing it with writers input. If your product delivers as you say it will, you might just be the next montana. We'll see.

[DEEN XMEN]

Yeah man, I'm all about the color coded donuts.

It's freakin smart marketing putting your shit out here on the oontz and developing it with writers input. If your product delivers as you say it will, you might just be the next montana. We'll see.

I can't afford to put color rings right now so it won't come with any.

Far as being the next Montana etc.. I'm not interested in that either.

This about making paint for Americans and Americans only WE invented graffiti, WE invented the fat caps, WE invented throwies, burners etc. WE invented Hip Hop.

So what happened? We let others come and take away what rightfully belongs to us.

WE got dumb companies that sell out the very people that put them on top. I'm tired of the made in China bullshit and the fucking Europeans who think we're all stupid.

WE got no damn jobs here .. ask yourself why. Cuz we allowed it to happen to us. WE allow fucking jack offs to come here and run our shit right in front of our eyes like nothing happened.

I think I'm a actually put that on my cans.. Fuck China Fuck Europe.

I feel bad cuz I fucked alot of German n Russian bitches now lol Blah Fuck them all...

Time to take ours back .. USA all the fucking way!

LOVE LIVE AMERICA AND AMERICAN GRAFFITI LIFESTYLE

FUCK GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT SHIT IS A HOAX

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

I meant montana as far as blowin up big dude....

i know youre all about the U S of A....just put a big effin flag on it.

Read the labels for vitamin water, they make snarky remarks without pissing anyone off but they do get their point across. I wouldn't discount writers in the rest of the world...they can buy your shit too....if you want to make a name for yourself and have brand longevity I don't think I would put "fuck China Fuck Europe" on my cans. That's just me.

[DEEN XMEN]

I meant montana as far as blowin up big dude....

i know youre all about the U S of A....just put a big effin flag on it.

Read the labels for vitamin water, they make snarky remarks without pissing anyone off but they do get their point across. I wouldn't discount writers in the rest of the world...they can buy your shit too....if you want to make a name for yourself and have brand longevity I don't think I would put "fuck China Fuck Europe" on my cans. That's just me.

Oh Ok.. I got what you mean now.

I have no intentions at all of sending paint overseas.. they can all stick to dollar cans when they come n visit..

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

^ :lol:

HIGH-5!

[.........]

if it's still relevant from the last page I like the cans shaped with the curved top better than the traditional shaped cans, it lets you get closer to what you're painting without scraping the can against it


and if it does pick up in the future I just have to say that I've wanted to buy a 40oz can for a long time, not to paint with it but more as a collectors item type thing, this sounds awesome though, really hope it works out

[sneak]

I can't afford to put color rings right now so it won't come with any.

Far as being the next Montana etc.. I'm not interested in that either.

This about making paint for Americans and Americans only WE invented graffiti, WE invented the fat caps, WE invented throwies, burners etc. WE invented Hip Hop.

So what happened? We let others come and take away what rightfully belongs to us.

WE got dumb companies that sell out the very people that put them on top. I'm tired of the made in China bullshit and the fucking Europeans who think we're all stupid.

WE got no damn jobs here .. ask yourself why. Cuz we allowed it to happen to us. WE allow fucking jack offs to come here and run our shit right in front of our eyes like nothing happened.

I think I'm a actually put that on my cans.. Fuck China Fuck Europe.

I feel bad cuz I fucked alot of German n Russian bitches now lol Blah Fuck them all...

Time to take ours back .. USA all the fucking way!

LOVE LIVE AMERICA AND AMERICAN GRAFFITI LIFESTYLE

FUCK GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT SHIT IS A HOAX

yo just wanted to chime in with my 2 pence...

i think thats an extremely close minded attitude to have...fuck europeans? yeah ok, america might have invented this hobby of ours, but that doesnt equal exclusive rights to it...us euro's took what you started and added our own personal twists - well each individual scene added their own and it became what how we know it today.

shit man, if it wasnt for the montanas (german and spanish) and molotow then the paint game would probably still be wack - yanks would still only have krylon and rusto, uk heads would be suffering with plasticotes and you wouldnt have a target audience in the slightest.

you gotta think of the bigger picture. how big do you think ironlak would be if that had decided to fuck off the american market and just concentrate on australia? same for the mtns....

yeah, dont get me wrong i like the idea of what your proposing...big up you for actually doing something when most peole just chat shit or dream about it.

[GezOne]

yo just wanted to chime in with my 2 pence...

i think thats an extremely close minded attitude to have...fuck europeans? yeah ok, america might have invented this hobby of ours, but that doesnt equal exclusive rights to it...us euro's took what you started and added our own personal twists - well each individual scene added their own and it became what how we know it today.

shit man, if it wasnt for the montanas (german and spanish) and molotow then the paint game would probably still be wack - yanks would still only have krylon and rusto, uk heads would be suffering with plasticotes and you wouldnt have a target audience in the slightest.

you gotta think of the bigger picture. how big do you think ironlak would be if that had decided to fuck off the american market and just concentrate on australia? same for the mtns....

yeah, dont get me wrong i like the idea of what your proposing...big up you for actually doing something when most peole just chat shit or dream about it.

I agree. They didnt "steal" it. No one owned it. The europeans and the aussies were just innovative, and actually went for it.

Be patriotic, but I dont think you should write off a whole continent for maybe a few annoying companies out there. haha




..wtf is that attached image down below????
haha

[pedoe]

it's called a ghost attachment, they randomly appear on people's post..

[DEEN XMEN]

^^ A NOOSE DOESN'T JUST APPEAR RANDOMLY..THAT'S SOME BS. GHOST PICTURES YEAH .. BUT A NOOSE OF ALL THINGS? DAYS OF THE KKK ARE OVER BUDDY, A CLOWN WITH A SNIPPY RACIST COMMENT AND TRIES TO PLAY IT OFF .. LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UP.. ATTACHMENTS ARE EASILY REMOVED..

FAR AS THE REST OF YOU.. "READ" AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE READING OR IF YOU DON'T KNOW ENGLISH GET A BETTER TRANSLATOR.

THE STATEMENT WAS REFERRING TO "BIG CORPORATIONS AKA COMPANIES" NOT INDIVIDUALS...

I THINK I GOTTA START SELLING HOOKED ON PHONICS LOL

[each]

I'll paint with foreigners, I know some, we're friends, but you cant like everyone and as companies go, and frankly as countries go, europes been a bunch of assholes. Their like that asshole friend who smiles and acts like your related and then tries to fuck your girl the first time your not home.

I'm cool with Austrailia cause thier basically just like us. Left the control of the UK and for good reason, and get bashed for it all the time.

And frankly... Really? like the europeans havent been fucking assholes every step of the way? We bailed you out in the big war, we've been there to help you with all your little dictator startups of which you seem to have no shortage, and all through history all you can do is thumb your noses at us. Anything we try to claim you try to say you did it first, or better, or that we're this, or that, or stupid, or rude. I know from experience, your far from a fucking rose garden of peace and non smelly shit taking over there.

check a mirror.

btw...
ultra flat... fuck yes...
i'll buy some shit, i'm all for this, have been for ages. need anything printed? pm me. I'll do what i can for free to help, if you can cover shipping.

btw, regular cans and paper labels, dont sweat it man it's all about the paint anyway who gives a shit what the outside looks like, if it's good, no ones gonna care.

[Feed Yer Ego]

my girl bought a can of the new/current krylon pumpkin orange and wanted me to paint some picture frames

i shaved the cap so it sprayed normal and i think i could totally rock with the shit no problem if there are any colors left that haven't been completely watered down to shit


i'm trying to think of what colors didn't totally suck before the switch to fan tip...

ultra flat black, watermelon,...?

or better yet, if any of you have used it since the switch and know what's still worth the grab

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

ATTACHMENTS ARE EASILY REMOVED..

THE STATEMENT WAS REFERRING TO "BIG CORPORATIONS AKA COMPANIES" NOT INDIVIDUALS...

I THINK I GOTTA START SELLING HOOKED ON PHONICS LOL

Attachments are easily removed. Ghost images are not.


GO BACK TO YOUTUBE GEZ! GTFO AND LET GROWN-UPS TALK

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

your big font looks pretty stupid dude. Thanks for the posi props btw.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Hmm..glitchness...

[Feed Yer Ego]

yall aint talking about no graffiti paintz

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

^ hahahah
Yuh, I am bout to go pick up my shipment of sabotaz. Srsly...

I will let you know how they are.

I will post a vid on youtube a la Gez....not rly.

[sneak]

I'll paint with foreigners, I know some, we're friends, but you cant like everyone and as companies go, and frankly as countries go, europes been a bunch of assholes. Their like that asshole friend who smiles and acts like your related and then tries to fuck your girl the first time your not home.

I'm cool with Austrailia cause thier basically just like us. Left the control of the UK and for good reason, and get bashed for it all the time.

And frankly... Really? like the europeans havent been fucking assholes every step of the way? We bailed you out in the big war, we've been there to help you with all your little dictator startups of which you seem to have no shortage, and all through history all you can do is thumb your noses at us. Anything we try to claim you try to say you did it first, or better, or that we're this, or that, or stupid, or rude. I know from experience, your far from a fucking rose garden of peace and non smelly shit taking over there.



hahaha, what the fuck?
what is it with americans thinking that everywhere in europe is the same? there are many different countries in europe and it covers a fairly large and important part of the world...

Asshole every step of the way? mate the good ol US of A is only what 250 / 300 years old as a nation? psssh....you sound like the spoiled brat that wants everything his own way which is coincedently how the majority of the rest of the world thinks of America....
Generally we did do every thing before you, mainly becsause European countries are a lot older and more established than you. Simples. You know that thing called "culture"? well that came from us...

I dont know who your thinking of on the dictatorship front...im 90% sure that most european countries are democracies. Dictatorships happen in parts of the world such as Africa and South America (that last continent actually being pretty close to you right?)





Anyhow, back to the paint...
Deen, how expensive is it to actually produce your own paint? Are we talking major bucks all in at once or over a long period of time pumping in what you can into the project?

I mean i cant even begin to imagine how Id go about making my own paint..

[DEEN XMEN]

hahaha, what the fuck?
what is it with americans thinking that everywhere in europe is the same? there are many different countries in europe and it covers a fairly large and important part of the world...

Asshole every step of the way? mate the good ol US of A is only what 250 / 300 years old as a nation? psssh....you sound like the spoiled brat that wants everything his own way which is coincedently how the majority of the rest of the world thinks of America....
Generally we did do every thing before you, mainly becsause European countries are a lot older and more established than you. Simples. You know that thing called "culture"? well that came from us...

I dont know who your thinking of on the dictatorship front...im 90% sure that most european countries are democracies. Dictatorships happen in parts of the world such as Africa and South America (that last continent actually being pretty close to you right?)





Anyhow, back to the paint...
Deen, how expensive is it to actually produce your own paint? Are we talking major bucks all in at once or over a long period of time pumping in what you can into the project?

I mean i cant even begin to imagine how Id go about making my own paint..

SNEAK: Sorry bout all the drama, I will take full responsibility for it. Since I caused this shit, I should of stated things more clearly. Yes you're right, Europe is a huge place of many countries and not everyone is the same. Everywhere there is good and there is bad. I'm not gonna say everyone is bad just because 1 individual did something wrong. Not everyone should take the blame for 1 person's stupidity.

When I was talking before I was mainly talking about big corporations mainly Montana Gmbh (Germany) and one country in particular that doesn't play fair. That country is China. Shit even Europe should be scared cuz they are just fucking raping everyone blind.

__________________________________________________ __________________________

So let's move on from the bullshit and to the topic at hand: SPRAY PAINT for graffiti writers/aerosol art, bombers etc.

There's tons of info on the web on how to make paint, so it's not hard to learn. You can buy the ingredients in the hardware stores or make the shit yourself. The pigments aint' as hard to make as you think.

You know everyone always got some gimmick bullshit to claim they got the best paint going lol. Bitumen paint, dense silver etc. It's all bullshit, paint is paint. Either you have good paint or you have bad paint. That's the bottom line.

COST: Most Expensive shit is the machinery. Cost anywhere from 100g to Millions.

You look at the 2 Montana factory videos on youtube. Them drums each drum yields roughly 1,500 - 1,600 cans.

Me I'm just 1 person doing this on my own, so hell yeah it's expensive as the start up. Best I'll probably do for now is 3 - 4 colors at the start.

If I had some decent partners that had a good business sense, and actually know how to follow on a business plan it would of been a different story. It's easier said then done though.

I will make the paint that's for sure, whether it's a success or failure well that will be up to if the product lives up to it's hype/reputation. If it sucks then it's over, it'll be a loss and I'll look like a disgraced idiot. It's a fact , survival of the fittest and best product in the business world. I know others have tried this and failed before so hopefully I don't end up like the rest.

PS: FUCK COMMUNISM, FUCK MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS PRODUCED BY SLAVE LABOR
FUCK DEFECTIVE MERCHANDISE, FUCK SLAVE LABOR, FUCK WALMART

Y'ALL KNOW WHAT'S UP.. "BRING SOME JOBS BACK TO AMERICA .. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE CUZ STONE COLD SAID SO LOL"

[sneak]

^ well fair play to you for that answer.

ps. not many people like ze germans either!

[DEEN XMEN]

LOL.. I"M A COME OUT WITH A PAINT THAT GOT PUSSY JUICE MIXED IN IT.. THE SCENT WILL ALLOW YOU TO PICK UP ANY BITCH IN THE TRAIN YARD OR AROUND GRAFFER'S LOL THAT'LL BE THE BEST THING SINCE HOOKERS LOL

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

so anyways..

[DEEN XMEN]

Anybody got a good formula for some good yummy choclate chip cookies or Jamaican BeeF patties?? :P

I got 2 colors to test .. Hopefully if the weather is good I can test tomm and post some pics..

Stay tuned I should have a definite release date for some paint this week.

[B!G D]

O snap this week

Now i have something to look forward to in life

Seriously

[Rustofills]

You have my attention.

[DEEN XMEN]

O snap this week

Now i have something to look forward to in life

Seriously

SNAP CRACKLE POP .. MMMM RICE CRISPIES LOLZ :love: ...

WITH OR WITHOUT MILK?

[Twisted Toaster]

If you could order some good paint, which one would you choose between these two?

Sabotaz 80, or MTN Hardcore.

[Feed Yer Ego]

mtn hardcore

[OF147]

mtn hardcore


I 2nd your choice of MTN.. about $1 cheaper as well!

[DEEN XMEN]

Looking around Early June the release date.

I'll post some pics up this afternoon ^^

Pretty much got the yellow where I want it to be.

For you paint companies that are worried, that's pretty much a loser move you pulled.

Just lucky I'm not the Smoking Gun - TMZ type or I'd post your pathetic emails up here. If you know you got a got a good product then why the worries?

[injury]

DEEN.... cant wait for this shit to drop. i dont check this site as frequently as i used to but you got an email address i can reach you at?

[100%juice]

good shit DEEN. i cant speak for anyone else but i personally wouldnt care if the paints had a label at all, for all i care you can write on it with a sharpie what color it is as long as its 4 bucks or less a can.

i think injury mentioned some krylon osha safety colors, safety purple, safety green, those are sick colors which are discontinued. also krylon mauve, krylon teal green, krylon mountain view, rusto post purple, chrome yellow..

[DEEN XMEN]

Here are some test pics like I said...

Yellow , Green , Blue , Flat White Tell me what you think!

Honestly I'd like your responses!

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Yellow Testing with different caps 1 pass each


http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02883.jpg

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02886.jpg

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02889.jpg

2 Passes
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02899.jpg

Peel back with a box cutter razor CLOSE UP Try this with your paint
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02911.jpg

Blue over Yellow

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02903.jpg

Blue over the yellow where it was peeled back with the razor so you can get a look at the coverage!
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02916.jpg

Yellow as base, blue and green over each other. Good Adhesion no dripping, quick drying!
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02933.jpg

Green - Do you guys like this color or not?
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02945.jpg

Flat white over the green
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/Test%202%20Photos/DSC02953.jpg

[DEEN XMEN]

good shit DEEN. i cant speak for anyone else but i personally wouldnt care if the paints had a label at all, for all i care you can write on it with a sharpie what color it is as long as its 4 bucks or less a can.

i think injury mentioned some krylon osha safety colors, safety purple, safety green, those are sick colors which are discontinued. also krylon mauve, krylon teal green, krylon mountain view, rusto post purple, chrome yellow..

Thanks for your support.. I'm working on it. My main concern right now is just a few colors to start off with: Chrome Aluminum, Flat White, Yellow, Green, Red, Flat Black

I'm having problems with the flat black but I'm working on it. Trying to bring out the jungle green with the inital release.

Kind of hard and easier said than done since I'm only just 1 person trying to get things done.

I will bring the colors out .. Just will take some time.

So far it looks like the cans will be pressed (lithographed), it's cheaper than the old school paper labels (I don't have the machine for this and it's expensive even for a used one)

It will be the newer style cans, instead of the ol' school cans (which I prefer). The reason being the older style cans take 2 months for me to recieve vs. the newer ones which take only 5 weeks. Eventually I will get the hang of it and the turnover will become quicker.

[DEEN XMEN]

DEEN.... cant wait for this shit to drop. i dont check this site as frequently as i used to but you got an email address i can reach you at?

Injury you crazy mo' fo lol! I left you a note.. Holla!

[STYLEISKING]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4468709570_87188874ec.jpg

[purehatecrew]

every thing but that green looks like it could be americans finest.

and i like that green.

[DEEN XMEN]

every thing but that green looks like it could be americans finest.

and i like that green.

I'm not quite sure on this "America's Finest" I did a google search for it. I wasn't able to find anything except something that was perhaps by Rusto? Is this some discontinued paint line?
Alot of stuff that came up was associated with Blubber though, which I am not no way, shape or form associated with. I do got respect for that guy for trying to come up with a paint line made in America though.

You got pics, color charts, info, etc. Please share.

I don't need to hide anything from anyone far as this paint line is concerned.
It's 100% all me!

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

Im feeling the blue and green.

But the yellow seems to resemble Walmart's Color Place on the first pass. I'm not sure on the formula but I think it might have to deal with the tone of the initial pigment. But it would be great if you could get it to resemble Rusto's Sun Yellow, instead Walmart's Pissed Stained Bedsheets Yellow. Or it might just be the lighting on my computer. But I think you seem to have made a pretty good paint so far.

My 2 cents.

[DEEN XMEN]

Im feeling the blue and green.

But the yellow seems to resemble Walmart's Color Place on the first pass. I'm not sure on the formula but I think it might have to deal with the tone of the initial pigment. But it would be great if you could get it to resemble Rusto's Sun Yellow, instead Walmart's Pissed Stained Bedsheets Yellow. Or it might just be the lighting on my computer. But I think you seem to have made a pretty good paint so far.

My 2 cents.

Your 2 cents is very important! These colors are not set in "stone" that's why it's important to me that ppl like you take the time to leave me some feedback and give me your opinion.

I'll get a few cans of other paints today and if weather permits I'll gauge them against. I normally test against the big 3 but I'm going to have to change my thinking. There's people coming up with paints I've never seen or heard about before. I've used all kinds of paints but that's not to say I've used everything there is, everything there was or ever will be (sheesh I sound like "BRETT THE HITMAN HART" ).

Weather's been really ugly here the past few days. I've been regulated to watching Wrestlemania lol :p over the weekend.

Keep on roc'in and thanks .. it's appreciated.

[stixupkids]

Freight series deck giveaway. check http://www.stixfigure.com

http://www.stixfigure.com/storage/post-00032.jpg

http://www.stixfigure.com/storage/post-00005.jpg

[FACTORY_MADE]

yeah the yellow seems to be a little watery and im noticing alot of over spray on the lines

[Ilns]

Tell me exactly what discontinued color you want first: Jungle Green?
If you want something else then tell me which ![/SIZE][/COLOR]

colors that are close to or the same as american accents "mango" and "peacock"

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

AA is discontinued. some stores have it left. but the color is gone unless you find it or mix it yourself.

[DEEN XMEN]

yeah the yellow seems to be a little watery and im noticing alot of over spray on the lines

YO! It's can't be perfect not just yet! Got to remember some of this paint I got to test it with the valves that are available to me. Mainly I got to use that pre-val bs with the Sekt Cap adapter lol.

When I do get my machine the gasser/charger to fill the propellant n crimp then I can test and see what caps do exactly what. I can play with the internal pressure and all that good stuff. Till then I'm very limited to what I can do.

Them pre-vals ain't the best thing in the world either, only thing good bout them is I can fill paint in a glass bottle and spray it. So it's good to test paint only, I did manage to get off some throwies with them things but it was taking forever lol.

It's not like I can just go to a store and pick one up, it takes a lil bit over 2 months and they come set up , train etc.

Good thing is I got 2 good valve systems that fit all caps including NY Skinnies. They both give off different effects though. One valve the NY Skinnies work as a really good smooth fat cap.

Don't worry Factory I definitely won't be making no watery paint.

[DEEN XMEN]

Tell me exactly what discontinued color you want first: Jungle Green?
If you want something else then tell me which ![/SIZE][/COLOR]

colors that are close to or the same as american accents "mango" and "peacock"

I need pics of the colors or examples. I can't find none of this stuff!

[DEEN XMEN]

Mango isnt discontinued, go buy it at the store.

LOL :p

[Rustofills]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2643/3679143327_2e695d3471.jpg
Stolen flick

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

From the test pics youve posted..the green is a more saturated krylon mint green as far as I can tell.

Krylon jungle green is more olive, like yellower and darker...but not too dark.

I love that green tho. It's got a nice tone to it. The yellow is good but I think these cats are saying they want the yellow to be a stronger bolder yellow, less pastel yellow.

[injury]

This is me bein weird but i that dig yellow.

There are tons of bright screaming hazard yellows out there, this is different. earth tones.. i can get with 'em. half of y'all don't know what an earth tone is, that would be when you use colors like brown and grey and beige, not pink, purple, and lime green. i like subtle colors, i use burners here and there but subtle colors show off letters.

a dark orange color would be dope too.

$0.02

[DEEN XMEN]

From the test pics youve posted..the green is a more saturated krylon mint green as far as I can tell.

Krylon jungle green is more olive, like yellower and darker...but not too dark.

I love that green tho. It's got a nice tone to it. The yellow is good but I think these cats are saying they want the yellow to be a stronger bolder yellow, less pastel yellow.

I'm working on it.. The green and Aluminum Chrome is a lock. The rest is to be determined.

[DEEN XMEN]

This is me bein weird but i that dig yellow.

There are tons of bright screaming hazard yellows out there, this is different. earth tones.. i can get with 'em. half of y'all don't know what an earth tone is, that would be when you use colors like brown and grey and beige, not pink, purple, and lime green. i like subtle colors, i use burners here and there but subtle colors show off letters.

a dark orange color would be dope too.

$0.02


That yellow ain't too shiney nor is it too bright, its a in betweener. I picked that cuz I had compared a few others and they weren't really like a crayon yellow which I was trying to do.

[DEEN XMEN]

You know .. looking at this pic I posted here(of the yellow) and actual paint itself they don't match up.

I don't know if it cuz I was doing it in the rain or what. If it's sunny tomm. I'll see if I get a different pic and compare them.

[Schnitzel]

That yellow looks like british paints "hot canary" one of my faves from back in the days. (in australia)
would be nice if it came out again. I bought 42 cans at a dollar each but shared them out and ran out too quick!

[eviltrailer77]

DEEN...I stole this flick from the vintage paint thread...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2762/4461297048_a07bcd84c1_b.jpg

Mango is 5th from left, its kind of an orange dreamsicle color. almost an omaha orange.

[I_fell_off_the_bike]

The testing came out pretty good for the first few developed, im hoping to try out a sample sometime, off to a good start, overspray was already mentioned, thats all that ive noticed thats not good in my eyes, my small 2cents.. bump for sure though!

[DEEN XMEN]

DEEN...I stole this flick from the vintage paint thread...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2762/4461297048_a07bcd84c1_b.jpg

Mango is 5th from left, its kind of an orange dreamsicle color. almost an omaha orange.

Some nice colors there.. finally I got a reference. Thanks!

[Edward Orenthal Norton]

mmmm. Sweet Tomato. the brightest red I've ever used. Good thing there is a shop that still has a lot of the old valve AA's and a few old valve Krylon.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

I'd rock those colors all day. I'm tired of fumbling with the sekt adapter and PT2X.

Sweet tomato, yum.

[DEEN XMEN]

I'd rock those colors all day. I'm tired of fumbling with the sekt adapter and PT2X.

Sweet tomato, yum.

You should get some caps off Trout Art Supply if you don't like them Sekt Adapters.. I hate them myself, makes me annoyed. I got no choice but to use them for now.. I'm super annoyed at the pre-val contraptions as well :mad:

[DEEN XMEN]

mmmm. Sweet Tomato. the brightest red I've ever used. Good thing there is a shop that still has a lot of the old valve AA's and a few old valve Krylon.



I think I'm going to "attempt" to make them 2 reds, the tomato, and the one next to it.

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Just ordered them actually. Storm troopers and boston thins

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

Pew...I'll get you hooked up with a few female thins to try as well :)

[DEEN XMEN]

REDS.. I was working on this before I seen the AA pics, Now I need a sharp bRighter red like that tomato red to compliment this red.

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/RED1.jpg

I sliced n diced ginsu choppaaa style! HA HA :p The yellow and green was under it before.

ALL TESTS DONE ON REAL STEEEL! NO BOGUS IN THE LAB BLAH BLAH BS HERE!

WITNESS W/YOUR EYES! PICS DON'T LIE!

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/RED4.jpg

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/RED3.jpg

TRUE COLOR OF THE YELLOW

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/YELLOW1.jpg

THE ACTUAL STEEL SURFACE AFTER I SCRAPED OFF THE COLORS!

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/STELLSURFACE.jpg

HARD AS HELL TO CLEAN OFF TOO AND I STILL COULDN'T GET THAT YELLOW N GREEN OFF!

[DEEN XMEN]

CLOSE UPS..

3 LAYERS THERE: RED GREEN YELLOW

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/RED6.jpg


http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/RED5.jpg

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Oh yeah? How's that Biggie?

[Pew_Pew_Pew]

Mmmm....thicky thick paint. Lookin good!

[BIGMETALCIRCUS]

don't worry about it ;) ...just enjoy the free caps

[DEEN XMEN]

BLUES.. this blue is darker than the lighter blue I posted before, I'll post them both tomm side by side.

THE LAST FOR NOW TILL I GET THE BRIGHTER RED DONE

LOOKING AT JUNE FOR THIS POP OFF.. TICK TICK TICK

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/BLUE2.jpg


http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ARTISSIN/TEST%203/BLUE1.jpg