does handstyles matter? quality or quantity?

[imported_scratcheater]

everyone seem to stress handstyles.... is that more important then getting up? nowadays everyone seem to bite off everyone...are we still original?names overused and abused...stick to what you start with and start FARTING! then again .... quality or quantity?

[Pistol]

Most definitely style is needed. All too often people concentrate too much on "getting up" without placing any emphasis on styles. No one wants to see some ugly ass tag hundreds of times a day.

[tmf0]

No one wants to see some ugly ass tag hundreds of times a day.

says it all..

[imported_scratcheater]

true that! but you see kids these days arent gamed and all they do is bite ... its weird seeing the same thing in another person's style nah mean?

[blood as ink]

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you mean like kerse or something?...that's some ugly shit that i see everywhere. he has a ton of ups but ugly as sin.

[imported_Tesseract]

Although i agree,
I dont really care cause graffiti is also an aggregation.
I really am happy when i see a door filled with tags no matter the quality.There are different angles in seeing what we do, being an artist is one, being a vandal is another, both respected but vandalising is maybe the most strong characteristic of what we do.
So on a non personal level i'd say that quantity makes the difference on deciding where there is a scene or not. I f you're lucky enough to find quality thats good but it comes second in a way.
as far as names and styles originality, i dont see a problem, people seem to manage just fine.





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combinations are always better

[Handjob]

Here on the West Coast, quality seems to be taking a back seat to quantity. Right now we have this guy living here, that writes Flare HLK.BTM. He's pretty up downtown, but most of his stuff makes me and the rest of the city wanna puke. Not only is he doing this, but he seems to be spawning some sort of "toy army", in which NO ONE cares about what their shit looks like, just as long as it says their name on a wall.

Personally, I think its the wrong direction. Don't get me wrong, I do like whole raw, grimey, ugly graffiti movement, but some kids don't seem to know where the line between style and uselessness is...

whatever, as long as they stay outta the yards, I'm fine...


I guess I should throw in that I'm really only talking about Flare's throws. I actually like his handstyles...

[cdz]

quality and quanity both matter. get it right. not one over the other.
-cdz $0.02

[Handjob]

Originally posted by cdz
quality and quanity both matter. get it right. not one over the other.
-cdz $0.02

agreed

[crackfiend]

Are you kids on drugs or some shit. When did being a vandal require schooling in the arts. Its about being pissed off and fucking shits up. Not about oohhh loook this is how saber does it its soo pretty.
If your going to destroy something then terar it up. If your going to do legals then dont call it graff call yourself a mural artist. I hate those people always painting landscapes and pictures of wild life like their some sort of bob ross.
anyway fuck yall

[Handjob]

Originally posted by crackfiend
Are you kids on drugs or some shit. When did being a vandal require schooling in the arts. Its about being pissed off and fucking shits up. Not about oohhh loook this is how saber does it its soo pretty.
If your going to destroy something then terar it up. If your going to do legals then dont call it graff call yourself a mural artist. I hate those people always painting landscapes and pictures of wild life like their some sort of bob ross.
anyway fuck yall

you're pretty angry, hey? Just remember to breathe deeply, and count backwards from 10...;)

[Smart]

OBVIOUSLY the name of the game is STYLE!

an ugly etch is better on a window than simply tossing a brick, but an etch with class and flair is hands down the winner... crackfiend seems to exemplify his name, kookaholic

[KING OF HELL]

Originally posted by crackfiend
Are you kids on drugs or some shit. When did being a vandal require schooling in the arts. Its about being pissed off and fucking shits up. Not about oohhh loook this is how saber does it its soo pretty.
If your going to destroy something then terar it up. If your going to do legals then dont call it graff call yourself a mural artist. I hate those people always painting landscapes and pictures of wild life like their some sort of bob ross.
anyway fuck yall
why are you kids always on some black and white shit. who said anything about pretty or art shool? we said style. since when did that mean pretty or that style meant you needed to go to art school?

JA has style. a fresh style. he has a handstyle and knows how to wrek shit. same with SKUFF.
all dude is trying to say is that theres no need to be ok with being a toy. even if your main goal is getting up, style is a good thing. having your own style is fresh. just being one of those kids who writes so you can say your part of some rough tough subculture is pointless.
you can be the ruff grimey kind, but that denotes a style. the absence of style is just plain useless.

PHASE2 might have some choice words to say about not having any style. you should read his book.

[Handjob]

Originally posted by Smart
OBVIOUSLY the name of the game is STYLE!

an ugly etch is better on a window than simply tossing a brick, but an etch with class and flair is hands down the winner... crackfiend seems to exemplify his name, kookaholic

Just to clear this up, when you say Flair, are you talking about Flair BTM?

[Smart]

no, strictly flair as it relates to style... The King of Hell has my voice, I am merely another of his demonic acolytes, please refer to his post as the bottom line of what I was saying

[dai]

Originally posted by crackfiend
Are you kids on drugs or some shit. When did being a vandal require schooling in the arts. Its about being pissed off and fucking shits up. Not about oohhh loook this is how saber does it its soo pretty.
If your going to destroy something then terar it up. If your going to do legals then dont call it graff call yourself a mural artist. I hate those people always painting landscapes and pictures of wild life like their some sort of bob ross.
anyway fuck yall

blah blah blah toy toy toy. i hate kids like this...nothing but nasty scribbles and a bomb once in the blue moon. you are the guys that make the scene hot.

[Handjob]

Originally posted by Smart
no, strictly flair as it relates to style... The King of Hell has my voice, I am merely another of his demonic acolytes, please refer to his post as the bottom line of what I was saying

Phew! I thought you were saying that Flare was good at something...:D

[Pistol]

Originally posted by dai


blah blah blah toy toy toy. i hate kids like this...nothing but nasty scribbles and a bomb once in the blue moon. you are the guys that make the scene hot.
But we made this scene. It was all about tagging back in the beginning with a few throws.
I think I have to agree somewhat with what crackfiend was saying. Out here in the streets growing up we all wrote to write. Sure some us were going to grow up and be art majors if we ever made it to college. But nowadays especially on here many of the kids to strictly legals or low pro areas such as riverbeds etc. Many have never been street bombing with a can. I dont think people that do strictly legal walls should be considered graffiti.
Graffiti is a CRIME lets KEEP it that way.

[imported_garcia_vega]

i try to fit the style of what i'm doing to the environment. like i'm not gonna try to get overly stylistic with a scratch tag, or if i'm out with a shoe polish bottle i try to do something that will look cool when it drips. i think there has to be some kind of awareness as to when it's time to get all artsy with the handstyle and when to keep it dirty.

[zen]

i think there has to be some kind of awareness as to when it's time to get all artsy with the handstyle and when to keep it dirty.

testify!

[dukeofyork]

my style resembles other people in my crew...
you can tell where i come from.
most people learn from other people, whether they were actually taught or not...i learned from someone and at least i can admit it.

[6000]

Originally posted by blood as ink
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you mean like kerse or something?...that's some ugly shit that i see everywhere. he has a ton of ups but ugly as sin.

i dont think kers style is ugly at all. i think its unique, and gritty as hell. thats exactly what i like to see. to each his own.

[DUE~the~DUE]

HAND styles sre the basis for graffiti i mean that is how kids develop styles to get pieces and throwies and what not.. so hands are very important.

[Funk~That]

the more up the better in my opinion! i mean cap said it best when he said its better to have a throw on every car then jus a peice every ten! well he said summin along those lines i aint gonna grab my movie and look it up to lazy!

[serum]

hopefully by tag #100 it looks better than tag #1. you can choose to be remembered as most up with an ugly ass style or be remembered as a quality writer with some style. vandal aesthetic vs artistic aesthetic to each is own. i personally will remember that one dope tag where the ugliness just seems to blend in. ups or not, its whats going to seperate you from the rest.

[Sekin]

I say that both are important. I can't stand seeing the same ugly ass tag year after year. How can some people do so much graffiti and still never get better?

[SersOne-NRS]

quality comes with putting your shit everywhere....you cant get a sick handstyle from sketching a few tags on the corner of your english assignment, you gotta get out there and do it whether you suck or not....within reason of course....if your ever going to be any good it'll all come the more shit you get up outside..if you dont get any better give up so i dont have to look at it..of course sketching dosent hurt either....

...this coming form a guy that hates to see the same weak ass tag a hundred times on his way to school....if you suck to much stick to the paper...

[RIME.KCW.BBT]

How about some grammer lessons? Does handstyles? How about "Do Handstyles".

[Smart]

grammar... g.r.a.m.m.a.r... grammar

enlightenment (http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9506)

[RIME.KCW.BBT]

crap.

[RIME.KCW.BBT]

:D

[ohno*rock]

thems last for posts is funny

[BIG T]

to each his own! i dont give a damn if it looks good or not... what i think looks wack might be the dopest handstyle the next guy has ever seen. :D

[455]

Yes, handstyle is an important factor in writing, at least with me it is..I think it is good to have many different kinds too, just so you can have a versatile style and be able to switch it up but still make it look tight. Same thing for "Throw-ups"--keep it evolving.

[Boring Bastard]

Yes it does matter!! My old hand sucked so bad and I'm a little ashamed to say that I used to write like that!

[elquilser]

id give props to the guy with 5 ill handstyles over a guy with 100 shity ones

[REGULATOR]

Originally posted by blood as ink
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you mean like kerse or something?...that's some ugly shit that i see everywhere. he has a ton of ups but ugly as sin.

werd....kerse is hella up, but hella toy....skert does some of kerses handstyles because they are both BTM and they look a tag better

[imported_wordown]

Originally posted by RIME.KCW.BBT
How about some grammer lessons? Does handstyles? How about "Do Handstyles".


this jerkoff is not really rime...

he's just some toy using his name'''

[@nswer...]

flair is a loke
shut the fuk up.
serve u




rots cru

[KIND]

id rather have 100 ALRIGHT tags up than 20 dope ones...thats my opinion...

[JIGSAW]

Originally posted by KIND
id rather have 100 ALRIGHT tags up than 20 dope ones...thats my opinion... how hard is it to put up a dope hand?? your making it sound like its as hard as a peice god damn practice..

[jeff123456]

Originally posted by scratcheater
everyone seem to stress handstyles.... is that more important then getting up? nowadays everyone seem to bite off everyone...are we still original?names overused and abused...stick to what you start with and start FARTING! then again .... quality or quantity?


You defintly need both. Quality and Quanity

more quanity then quailty..

[jeff123456]

Originally posted by crackfiend
Are you kids on drugs or some shit. When did being a vandal require schooling in the arts. Its about being pissed off and fucking shits up. Not about oohhh loook this is how saber does it its soo pretty.
If your going to destroy something then terar it up. If your going to do legals then dont call it graff call yourself a mural artist. I hate those people always painting landscapes and pictures of wild life like their some sort of bob ross.
anyway fuck yall

i agree with u 100%

[dopestmotive]

handstyles are important but basic shit with some edge is way tighter than some wild lookin tag. i would rather be up with a hundred basic style tags that citizen joe can read then ten off the wall tags only writers can read.

[KIND]

Originally posted by JIGSAW
how hard is it to put up a dope hand?? your making it sound like its as hard as a peice god damn practice..

i dont think you understand what i meant.i meant i'd rather be up and known by everyone than a few people seeing my shit saying "oh thats a dope tag"

[JIGSAW]

Originally posted by KIND


i dont think you understand what i meant.i meant i'd rather be up and known by everyone than a few people seeing my shit saying "oh thats a dope tag" Ah I feel you now alright..

[DEFCON2.0]

Handstyles are an important part of graffiti mos def, i mean you could have a nice burnner done and toss a wack handstyle up and throw the whole piece off its good ta be good in all aspects of graffiti......so ta answer your ? handstlyes do matter...........:king:

[Grandola]

if your up, you're up, but if you're up with style, you're up with style... get it? no? me either. i hate ugly people and i hate ugly handstyles and throw ups and hollows.

so, in conclusion - quality and quantity.

[space]

the more styles the better.

[vesa]

i think both are important. it aint like its usin more paint to do a tag with style. get it good on paper, then get it the fuck up

[.R.]

just kill shit wherever you go...

[kerse]

Originally posted by blood as ink
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you mean like kerse or something?...that's some ugly shit that i see everywhere. he has a ton of ups but ugly as sin. i'm gonna get at you and your face will be reminding u of my tags

[DUMB]

get a good hand then put it up. you guys make it sound like you can only choose one of them.

[skroeape]

Shut up!! no style? theres no such thing as no style.. what you really mean when you say that is a style you dont like or an ugly style.. but everything has style of some sort even toy shit.. when you get used to wak shit then becomes in your head as that style.. i use to think foe was a toy, now the style is like an icon in my head cause im used to it... so theres wak style cause your a begnner perhaps or theres purposly done ugly style.. (like a trend or for fun) theres still different styles between all the what to you may be ugly styles.. but since you dont like it you put all the ugly styles in one catagory as no style.. reminds me how non-writers can look at a (what to us) is a fresh handstyle and toy handstyle next to it and cant tell the difference... wether u consider it ugly or fresh theres all kinds of different styles

[vare_one]

:D style is a definate if u aint got the style in your tag then i doubt u would get recognised as quick in a big city its like when i wnt to glasgow there was a tagger called mc graff n he just wacked it up any where and every where ok thats how to do it but if it was styled he might have got more props for puting it up n another thing most of the scottish also just bang up names which is really not fucking stylish bad thing about that is ull get caught straight away safe vareOne...graff game is a violent chain

[Average White Railfan]

Are you kids on drugs or some shit. When did being a vandal require schooling in the arts. Its about being pissed off and fucking shits up. Not about oohhh loook this is how saber does it its soo pretty.
If your going to destroy something then terar it up.

if your pissed off at the world and want to fuck something up you should do something a little more meaningful...like blow up animal tresting labs or break some shit. if your that pissed off and that much of an anarchist you should be risking a lot more. being that pissed off and that adiment about tearing shit up makes you look like a pussy cause all your doing is writing your name on something....thats not tearing shit up...thats just writing your name on something. go blow up a garbage can or something tuff guy.

[seeking]

this thread is fucking retarded. are you guys kidding me?! this is why the internet and graffiti don't mix. it's breeding a whole world of pussy ass kids that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, but think they're hot shit. if you cant do a decent tag, you suck, end of story. if you have to ask the internet which is right, you double suck.

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