MARKER SUPERDUPERTHREAD

[a/s/l?]

LIKE NO OTHER

[Devot]

garvey fades in the sun

yea i know shit sucks.

anyone know any shit too add to make it stay in the sun?

[Feed Yer Ego]

yea i know shit sucks.

anyone know any shit too add to make it stay in the sun?

marsh or any pigmented ink that's alcohol, xylene or ketone based

all dyes/stains fade in the sun, pigments not so much

[allfreetime]

Hi. Need some help.

I just unearthed this Marsh 99 I bought 8 years ago which never worked properly because I filled it with this ultra-thick heavy pigment OTR ink. Of course the recommended ink is Marsh T-Grade. In researching how to get this thing working again I've learned T-Grade is also heavy pigment. I also read reviews like:

"don't be stupid, make sure you use the right ink for this baby.."

and

"a giant marker thatll squirt ink all over my hands every time i pump it.or when i open it itll get ink on my hands.."

WHat I'm asking is what kind of results can I expect if it is filled with a dye type ink such as Corio? A major mess?

[allfreetime]

Still seeking help before I ruin another nib. This is the ink I put in the Marsh99 8 years ago. Somehow it's leaked and ruined a box of other shit. Is this thicker than Marsh T-Grade?? Anyone?

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss148/allfreetime3/DSCN2522.jpg

[DaOnlyQue]

I think OTR inks are more thinner than marsh...

[dBking]

OTR inks are GARBAGE.


check this,

SODIUM FREE kikoman soy sauce. and thats ALL im sayin...

[johnneh7]

he didnt ask how well the ink worked.

[DaOnlyQue]

Lol^

[injury]

OTR inks are GARBAGE.


check this,

SODIUM FREE kikoman soy sauce. and thats ALL im sayin...

son don't blow my spot
tryna make something outta this because.. just because
http://www.healthsquare.com/common/images/c/CVS89140_63979_5.JPG

[dBking]

yo i make mops out of those. just pop in an oink mini mop nib from a jacquard mop or a tee juice mop.

you can also mix 3.5g's of the good stuff with 2 ounces dasani water (because it is reverse osmosis water, not just cuz it tastes fire) and a dash of polysorbate 80 or any non-soidum based preservative for smoothness, and you have one hell of an undercover party in a convenient pocket sized mist.

but a little bit of warning, the already dissolved solution does not need to wait for mucus to umm, *achieve the desired effects* so watch out, it hits you fast and strong. also, it helps maintain proper nasal health as party of a healthy and balanced diet.

i call it "go-go juice"

[dBking]

injury: thanks for the props man, lemme know if it works out for ya. also, sometimes i just load ink into the little bottle which enablers me to squirt out a handstyle like 4 feet tall. if you point a little too high with it though, it shoots mist, but if you keep it tilted down it squirts a stream.

[yeahnation]

Found this at Michael's today:

http://ezscrap.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/zig-2way-glue-pen-jumbo.jpg

Same body as those woodcraft markers zig also makes, just in mini-size... I refilled it with pilot + oink ink, and it works like a charm. Perhaps I'll post some pictures later...

[BELTOLEUM]

Those markers have been discussed a lot in this thread.
Thanks for contributing though, nice to see a person with only 6
posts showing/telling something isn't of asking about something
that has been discussed several times

[DaOnlyQue]

Lol.^^^
Agreed...
And is good that he aint ask a question that has the answer on the same page...

[yeahnation]

Oh that's weird I've gone through this thread a million times and haven't seen it before. But you're probably right I probably just missed it. This thread has become pretty much dead as of late...

[DaOnlyQue]

No im saying that you DIDNT do that.
Which is great IMO.

[dBking]

Found this at Michael's today:

http://ezscrap.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/zig-2way-glue-pen-jumbo.jpg

Same body as those woodcraft markers zig also makes, just in mini-size... I refilled it with pilot + oink ink, and it works like a charm. Perhaps I'll post some pictures later...

martha stewart makes the same thing in michaels too, except it aint in the paper packaging so you can jyust rack it right away. martha has some dope steel tips and some mops as well as OTR style markers.

[dBking]

fuck, michaels even has dalos, but they only come in white.
and no im not talking about white out pens, im talking about the junts with the little pumps on the end. comes in fine tip white, it is called sulky white ink and it is located next to the jacquards in the tshirt paint aisle. if you dont know what im talking about hit me up on the pm

[dBking]

oh and by the way, hahaha @ da only queue, that kid ghot served. hahaha

7 posts. gtfo

really?


damn im drunk. i dont even wanna make you feel as small as you really are thats how fucked up i am. hittin bong hits longer than your bhloodline.

real shit kiddo. k-nacker style. euro trash out the frame.

[DaOnlyQue]

fellow drunk mate ova here..
:D:D:D:D:D

[Michael Grant]

you faggots get drunk then go on the computer? lolz wack

[dBking]

all the real G's do it. now it is time for part two of the drunken vengeance.....

THA HANGOVER POST!!!!!

yeh im feelin split up the sides.... fuck i need some water but i dont wanna get out of bed...

[dBking]

oh but hey, at least in my drunken rambling i exposed the elusive DALO for racking at michaels....

so yall can thank me for that. and thank anhueiser busch for providing the sustenance..

[Santana Black&Mild]

Dalos are excellent. I am a fan. Duraball puts out one with a smaller nib, but it's packaging is like a toothpaste container, we'll see how it compares.

As for the Dirty Flow, that is an alcohol based ink I believe. Therefore it is going to be thinner; leakage happens. The review about it leaking when he pumped it was from him not screwing in on correctly. And if you are going to store something for 8 years, don't do it laying down or nib side down.

[allfreetime]

Thanks. I finally got new nibs and filled it with plain old Pilot. Still not the kind of flow I was hoping for but whatever. I think if I dilute the ink with this stuff it will flow better. We'll see.

http://mvdirona.com/jrh/SmartPhone/Images/ValsparGoofOffLineUp.jpg

[dBking]

dilute with naptha or benzene. its a little more caustic, but if you are going to dillute the pilot (which is already in itself fantastic ink, with good bleed thru from latex paint AND solvent based paint buffs) those are the ones you should use.

my advice for pilot ink, and this is what i do every time.... never get blue green or red, it fades in the sun unless ur hittin plastic shit inside a building, but get the black

get two of the little one ounce containers. it is like 3.50 over here... open them both up for like 10 mins or so and wait till half of it evaporates. thhis way it is concentrated before it goes in your marker. make sure you close the lid and shake that shit hard before you pour it in or all the good stuff will be sittin on the bottom.

i dont think i was very specific as i am proofreading this on what naptha or benzine are...

naptha is lighter fluid for zippos. dont get bullshit, good brands are collibri and ronson because of purity, not just personal taste.

benzene is a paint stripper or paint solvent that is carcinogenic, but legal to buy like most tyhings these days. im not gonna go into how bad it is for you, but if you arent washing ur hands in it or huffing it without ventilation, giood, great now shut up about the cancer bullshit. it is in containers marked benzol, benjamin resin, benzoin, benzoin resin, etc

the good thing about naptha is that you can get ground bitumen at a hardware store and dissolve it in naptha and make some thick crazy road tar mop paint that is hell on cement.

[DaOnlyQue]

the good thing about naptha is that you can get ground bitumen at a hardware store and dissolve it in naptha and make some thick crazy road tar mop paint that is hell on cement.

i picked up some naptha today my local "mom & pop" hardware store was closing down and had a 1/2 off sale... so it was only 6 $ and i got some bucket paint as well..

[acer910]

whyd you quote him haha?

[DaOnlyQue]

eh idk

[acer910]

lol one of those days.


i know what you mean, i went to the nurse today complaining about my shoulder and they drew blood from my arm. im scared the fuck of needles so i left there with a hurting shoulder and a sick stomach with dizziness.

sucked dick and i was totaly disorientated.

[RaZe.Breh]

^nurses have aids

[dBking]

^^ hey ace, i heard that meant swine flu...

a j00 with swine flu! who knew? with dr. seuss and a wee little hoo!

[acer910]

yea, there gonna shut down the schools if it gets in out county and we have 19 days left till summer.

[BELTOLEUM]

Yea i am gonna be pissed if they shut down my school and
I have to make up these days in the summer...cause they
shut down like 6 or so schools in neighboring counties.
All this swine flu stuff is shit there has only been like one person
that died from it and it was an infant or a toddler. They are
saying its gonna be an epidemic then people think everyone
is gonna start dying just because its an "epidemic".
Off topic i felt the need to comment on this...but you can carry
on with the marker talk.

[\\KNUX//]

yea, there gonna shut down the schools if it gets in out county and we have 19 days left till summer.

i heard theyre shutting down 12oz if any writers get the swine flu, cause in a week johnny law would know who every last one of us wall-paintin bastards are haha. dude in 19 days (give or take a few weeks of summer school-if you dont have to do a huge senior project, be glad) ill be in summer vacation alice coper style



http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/POP/WB8188~Alice-Cooper-Schools-Out-Posters.jpg



EDIT-i ment im graduation, not a mega fan of the coops. haha i gotta start wearin a respirator.

[acer910]

id rather do senior project, i had a sophomore project and 2 college level research papers to do, seniors get it fucking easy at our school.

if they cut into summertime im not going to go because my two core class teachers will be out of the country and fuck gym. il just have a even longer summer.

luckily im exempt from all but one exam. not including the gym exam which is running a mile in under 12 minutes

[\\KNUX//]

senior project over hurr is a college level paper, a project that takes at least 30 hours to complete ON TOP OF at least 15 hours community service, then a 20 minute presentation on both right about now to the "senior board", basically 6 people who can either say you graduated or your fucked. the whole year comes down to that shit.


haha i got a "your fucked"

[acer910]

daaaaammmmnnn

here its a fucking tri fold with a 6 minute speech.

[dBking]

youngins..

[\\KNUX//]

hahaha tight... the state made senior project manditory for all schools but never said what it had to be, just that it needs to be done. my ex went to another school, and she had her senior project in her sophmore year too. she had to write a book report. bullshiiiiiit

[DaOnlyQue]

i think this whole flu thing is stupid.

[\\KNUX//]

dude dont post here weve got swine flu

[dBking]

swine flu is so gay. if swine flu kills you then the regular flue would have killed you too. swine flu is NO WORSE!

[dBking]

try having mono like i used to when i was a kid. i never got immune to that shit so i have had it at least 3 times.

it sucks. that means like i have wasted 4 months or more puking (non-drug-related)

[Michael Grant]

nobody cares faggots more marker talk less gay talk

[DaOnlyQue]

So wtf shouldnt u have said something about a marker..?

Faggot

[purehatecrew]

nobody cares faggots more marker talk less gay talk

nobody cares faggots, more marker talk less gay talk.

nobody,cares faggots! more marker talk? less gay talk.

[ThePumpkinKing]

decided to try out one of those Do Em Dirty markers. It barely even writes the ink doesnt get to the tip. anyone have the same problem? or just a shitty marker?

[DaOnlyQue]

Shake it up ALOT
Cuz the ink is thick

[ThePumpkinKing]

Shake it up ALOT
Cuz the ink is thick

I tried that man, i shook it up alot and squeezed it way harder than you should have to squeeze a marker and barely anything came out. i think these markers just suck. It's better just to stick with krinks http://www.bombingscience.com/images/mop-dedout-1.jpg

Those illadels dont work too well either.

[DaOnlyQue]

Nah they dont suck.
When it work its drippy like a mothafucker

But instead of buying krink make your own

[thrashcat]

DED is the shit.

I definitely prefer that over krink.

[dBking]

i think the flow regulator is still inside ur nib and probably clogged. pull off the cap, look for a plastic spring under the nib. use anything to yank it out.

your marker will be flow-riffic in no time.

now go destroy insides.

[DaOnlyQue]

oh jea i forgot about that

[acer910]

what DB said, know your mop inside out.

[ThePumpkinKing]

i think the flow regulator is still inside ur nib and probably clogged. pull off the cap, look for a plastic spring under the nib. use anything to yank it out.

your marker will be flow-riffic in no time.

now go destroy insides.

perfect. thanks alot man. i like it. still love those krinks though. unless your fuckin with a rough surface

[Feed Yer Ego]

I tried that man, i shook it up alot and squeezed it way harder than you should have to squeeze a marker and barely anything came out. i think these markers just suck. It's better just to stick with krinks http://www.bombingscience.com/images/mop-dedout-1.jpg

Those illadels dont work too well either.

LOL FAIL

[Michael Grant]

yoi think i know what the problem is you bought a do em dirty


peacee

[dBking]

^^^thanks for your help, doctor. i dont think we could have got past this issue without your insight and valuable forethought.



lets keep it constructive kids. ok?


on a more productive note, does anyone ever use empty visine bottle to make super drippy skinny line tags? it works smooth as a steel ball tip squeezer on rough concrete.

the dropper tip wears down a little bit with each use, but it is negligible. the line looks great.

it has been useful enough to where i have like 4 or 5 of them right now filled with ink. you can even pull off the dropper, put in some felt and have a super small mop.

very covert, with a screw on cap.

try it with stealth ink if you really wanna be covert. the stealth ink is clear so nobody knows the visine in ur pockjet is actually ink.

and if someone makes a joke about dropping it in ur eye, hahaha in advance, ur a funny bastard.

as you were.

[Michael Grant]

whats stealth ink jesus christ how many people are makin loads of money off you toys

[acer910]

whats stealth ink jesus christ how many people are makin loads of money off you toys

hahahahah




you are an idiot
you are a toy
you are a faggot
you are a bitch
you are a pussy


and worst of all,
you are ignorant.







so shut the fuck up, and get the fuck out.

[polski24]

flare the tip

[BELTOLEUM]

I don't believe you can flare the nibs on the ded mops

[DaOnlyQue]

you are an idiot
you are a toy
you are a faggot
you are a bitch
you are a pussy
and worst of all,
you are ignorant.
so shut the fuck up, and get the fuck out.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oooooh BURN ! SLAYED ! AHAHAHAHAH !

[Michael Grant]

omgsh im so offended

[dBking]

^^^^ ur so not welcome here.

[RaZe.Breh]

whats stealth ink jesus christ how many people are makin loads of money off you toys

This makes me laugh:lol:

[DaOnlyQue]

Makes me shake my head in disgust

[acer910]

This makes me laugh:lol:

thats why you are tampon-ed




(no offense daonlyque lol)

[DaOnlyQue]

none taken

[ulooking]

Krink markers are fuckin bullshit.
this motherfuckin guys are just gays (if i see them in europe i beat the shit out of their brains!!
and the ink is bullshit.
[CORIO INK][/SIZE] (France)
is the best staining ink alcohol based ever been made.
Serious

[ulooking]

oh sorry i guess wrong page

[DaOnlyQue]

Lol

[acer910]

you beat up krink markers?

[siek187]

How do you refill a pentel presto, the squeezable kind, i tried twisting it counter clockwise, and the ridges pulled back a chunk of my skin and the top didnt budge.

[DaOnlyQue]

twist it whichever way seems to work

[RaZe.Breh]

^ what he said and pull at the same time

[dBking]

try not to apply direct pressure to the threads for grip when you twist also.

sometimes that is the case when u use ur teeth to hold something. it clamps down on the threads and wont twist off.

[dBking]

but, just for a second, humor me on this, why not just heat up a nail and make a lil burr hole in the side of the marker towards the bottom and then re-tape it or re-seal it with a hot spoon? i did it twice with the old terra-cotta markers that came before woodcraft like i dunno 8 years ago from michaels? they used to have the ones eith the black tanks versus the grey ones cuz they had a xylene based silver marker.

anybody remember that? old heads?

[Michael Grant]

ive seen pics of prestos before annd they look to be the exact same as normal pentel white out pens .. prestos have a fine point no? ive never actually had one .. im from canada so maybe we dont get them up here?

[acer910]

but, just for a second, humor me on this, why not just heat up a nail and make a lil burr hole in the side of the marker towards the bottom and then re-tape it or re-seal it with a hot spoon? i did it twice with the old terra-cotta markers that came before woodcraft like i dunno 8 years ago from michaels? they used to have the ones eith the black tanks versus the grey ones cuz they had a xylene based silver marker.

anybody remember that? old heads?

i dont think Bill Nye would approve of sticking a red hot nail into a sealed container full of a combustible liquid. eventually the wall would get real thin there and possibly harden and become un flexible and thats no good.
if you cant open your marker then why would you even use it? thats like buying a car, driving what gas was in the tank and then just ditching it.

[dBking]

canadians look like little trash cans



































sorry, but its just aboot telling the trooth.

[dBking]

i dont think Bill Nye would approve of sticking a red hot nail into a sealed container full of a combustible liquid. eventually the wall would get real thin there and possibly harden and become un flexible and thats no good.
if you cant open your marker then why would you even use it? thats like buying a car, driving what gas was in the tank and then just ditching it.

ace, ur white out pen will not explode from a hot nail, nor will it catch fire. ive done it. still have both hands, sans burn.

if you have a badass marker, why not write with it? just cuz u think u cant refill it doesnt mean it is a shitty writing implement.

you just open one lil hole, and then put tape over it when ur done. its that simple. either that or just heat the back of a spoon to close the hole. i do it with bongs ALL DAY. carb hole too big? cool, hit it with the spoon.

[acer910]

tape will not work at all, ive done it. and it didnt work, at all.

oh i know it wont explode, but im sure one of these toys will figure out a way to hurt themselves, whether it be holding the nail int heir fingers while heating it, or god knows what else.

[dBking]

shoulda gone to bong school... thats the problem with kids these days. nobody uses color place or smokes out of bottles. they just run straight to the MTNMTN and PHX glassware with daddy's credit card digits...

[dBking]

speakin of credit cards, got myself a silver bank of america jurnt today.

[acer910]

yea i think that stupid monthly fee just raped what little credit i had on mine haha

[newb[oma]]

i made a dope ass mop from a mitchem roll on deoderant stick, po out the ball, get some inda esay flow ink, some felt for the nib, a bb and 3tbs brake fluid, shit works sick, and the drip is nastier then the clap

[acer910]

so you used india ink and the wrong kind of brake fluid?

[DaOnlyQue]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:^

[dBking]

;6361050']i made a dope ass mop from a mitchem roll on deoderant stick, po out the ball, get some inda esay flow ink, some felt for the nib, a bb and 3tbs brake fluid, shit works sick, and the drip is nastier then the clap

cpngrats. people been doin that since way back in the way back.

minus the breakfluid. i dont know if you know, but nobody uses that shit anymore if they really know whats up

it doesnt belong in anything that you own homie. it goes in brakes not paint, and damn sure not in your ink.

same goes for fish oil. you want ur shit to be corrosive add methyl ethyl ketone or acetone or toluene or xylene.

those are chemicals that are for the most part, less hazardous to a human than brake fluid, and more hazardous to a bus stop, dumpster, whatever surface ur writin on.

break fluid doesnt do a damn thing. pour it straight onto a wall and see what happens. nothing is magically melted away, nothin is even scarred.

myth busted.

it doesnt let shit penetrate into a wall that would normally do it on its own just cuz it "keeps it wet so it soaks in"

that is bullshit. complete bullshit. paint is not for staining. and even then, most paints have too high of surface tension to be efficient in any kind of deep penetrating application. inks stain, paints dont. and if ur so worried about a mop tag seepin into shit, maybe you need to find a new hobby.

if you have a problem with being buffed, get the fuck out and quit tagging on ur little desk or whatever. get out there and writer ur name till u run out of ink/paint.

then you dont haveto worry about being buffed, and u damn sure dont have to worry about being just another dumbshjt toy with dot 3 in his pocket.


</soapbox>

[Shishka]

^lol he prolly thought he was all cool for doing that :p
oh and isnt that called an nyc mop er sumthing??

[acer910]

geez db, what are you know? wikipedia? whorin out info like nobodies business haha

[DaOnlyQue]

DBPEDIA

[dBking]

thank you ladies and gentlemen! hold the applause, ill be here all night!

[troubador406]

so putting brake fluid in ink will just give u more ink.. thinner ink?

[DaOnlyQue]

more bullshit in the ink

[troubador406]

i used fish oil in one of my mixes and went to a local walmart and tagged up out front of it and theres a nasty ghost there now

[DaOnlyQue]

so many things wrong with that statement:
fish oil? more bullshit
tagging IN FRONT of walmart? are you stupid !
nasty ghost? they wiped your shit off !

[Santana Black&Mild]

I kind of want to call bullshit on that post. There is no way someone is that retarded.

[PINT]

ive seen pics of prestos before annd they look to be the exact same as normal pentel white out pens .. prestos have a fine point no? ive never actually had one .. im from canada so maybe we dont get them up here?

prestos are fucking dope.
i have three.

one filled with smash gold
one filled with an orange ink
and one the ghetto white.

you can catch amazing hands on metals, pourous, even concret if you know what your doing.

shits dope

[DaOnlyQue]

I kind of want to call bullshit on that post. There is no way someone is that retarded.

whatchu mean?

[siek187]

i used fish oil in one of my mixes and went to a local walmart and tagged up out front of it and theres a nasty ghost there now

fish oil dosent do shit cept make your ink smell like some old ladies nasty pussy homie.

[561!]

i used fish oil in one of my mixes and went to a local walmart and tagged up out front of it and theres a nasty ghost there now

http://thestimulist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/depressed.jpg

[dBking]

fish oil dosent do shit cept make your ink smell like some old ladies nasty pussy homie.

even the guy with 10 posts knows whats up.

PEOPLE, PLEASE STOP USING FOOD PRODUCTS IN YOUR INK!!!

im not saying that if its edible its horrible, but come on people, REALLY? FISH OIL???

[dBking]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to 561! again.

[561!]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dBking again.


<3

[troubador406]

Im just talking from experience here... the one tag i felt like a pro for doin in broad daylight.. is still there... Hate on fish oil all you want but the spots been buffed twice and my tag is still there

[sata]

If anyone was planning on buying the "Toxic Shocker" from artprimo go to your local cvs and get one of the cvs stain removers. Exact same mini mop for free, if you're going to buy it you mine as well get it from artprimo because it's a little more expensive at cvs. But it really isn't hard to stick a marker in your pants..

Flick I posted a while ago
http://i40.tinypic.com/2cpyo74.jpg

[561!]

Im just talking from experience here... the one tag i felt like a pro for doin in broad daylight.. is still there... Hate on fish oil all you want but the spots been buffed twice and my tag is still there

If you are telling the truth,I can guarantee it's another ingredient in the ink that left a ghost.

[troubador406]

i mixed a bunch of black pens i got, 2 different kinds, one was white with a black top the others were clear see through ones

[dBking]

If you are telling the truth,I can guarantee it's another ingredient in the ink that left a ghost.

^^^ yup.

[yeahnation]

Alright so I was looking for a way to make a somewhat mop equivalent to the chapstick marker idea... something very small, very concealable, but still very effective. I took one of these things, emptied it, took out the little fine line applicator at the top, filled it with some (somewhat) homemade ink (pen ink + pilot + methylene blue), put in a chalkboard eraser as a nib, and bam, it turned out really nice. It's probably been done before, but hey, this thread needs all it can get as of late.

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/43/1/AAAAAqadBdoAAAAAAEMdmw.jpg
^That's what I started with

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/Aristophanes1/Photo202.jpg
^The deck of cards is just there for judging size.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/Aristophanes1/Photo201.jpg

[PINT]

I made a chapstick streaker that works fucking great.
ill post pictures if you guys want.

[dBking]

i would love to see the lil mini streaker.

that is a nice lil tip whoever posted the CVS mop, and guy who posted the mop he made with the pilot pens and meth blue, nice work. try a visine bottle next. i make a joint out of some fabric, then i wrap it in a foot or so of thread and feed it into the bottle and that way i can write on concrete all i want, and when the nib gets fucked up, i just trim off the edges and get back to moving. it is mad concealable and the top of the visine bottle shapes the nib into a perfect bullet shape every time


sorry for the typos. im so damn tired.

[Michael Grant]

^the first picture in that guys post is that the ink on the deck of cards .. you can see right through it

[yeahnation]

Nah that was just blue sharpie. The ink is a nice dark purple.

[DaOnlyQue]

Im just talking from experience here... the one tag i felt like a pro for doin in broad daylight.. is still there... Hate on fish oil all you want but the spots been buffed twice and my tag is still there

http://www.californiacriminallawyerblog.com/LIAR.gif

[troubador406]

im not lying... and on the small marker tip, i been using a peppermint extract bottle stuffed with felt and its amazing for how small it is

[a/s/l?]

I think he was trying to say












































http://www.californiacriminallawyerblog.com/LIAR.gif

[561!]

Alright so I was looking for a way to make a somewhat mop equivalent to the chapstick marker idea... something very small, very concealable, but still very effective. I took one of these things, emptied it, took out the little fine line applicator at the top, filled it with some (somewhat) homemade ink (pen ink + pilot + methylene blue), put in a chalkboard eraser as a nib, and bam, it turned out really nice. It's probably been done before, but hey, this thread needs all it can get as of late.

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/43/1/AAAAAqadBdoAAAAAAEMdmw.jpg
^That's what I started with

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/Aristophanes1/Photo202.jpg
^The deck of cards is just there for judging size.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/Aristophanes1/Photo201.jpg

Hate these new damn like 1oz markers everyone's on about.

[troubador406]

chill on that seizure shit

[DaOnlyQue]

fuck u mean seizure shit

[561!]

Probably means that "LIAR" flashing .gif

[troubador406]

those liar things, why not articulate a lil bit

[dBking]

why not stay on topic?

anybody have any conclusive info or analysis on whether the valve in the valve action markers forces air into the barrel and building pressure? or is it just a spring vlave that opens the flow of ink?

i aimt to dissect a woodcraft next time i get into my evil closet of graff tools, but im so stoned, and im so lazy....

i mean i see it on the other side of the room, but im like meh... im trying to muster up the enetrgy to go paint right now...

[561!]

nope just a valve on most for what I know.

[troubador406]

If im using a rusto paint/thinner mixture in a shoe polish mop, should i take out the little valve system or would that ruin the nib ? it flows and drips but something is off about it

[siek187]

If im using a rusto paint/thinner mixture in a shoe polish mop, should i take out the little valve system or would that ruin the nib ? it flows and drips but something is off about it

Ive always taken the flow reg. out makes the mop alot more drippier, but it also depends on how thin your mix is. If its not that thin id suggest the reg out if it is thin id say keep it in because shits gonna be so drippy your tag might just end up like a blob of paint dripping down the wall.

[troubador406]

thanks, I never wouldve figured that out on my own

[siek187]

thanks, I never wouldve figured that out on my own
Your the one that asked the stupid question.

[troubador406]

I wasnt being sarcastic, but there go your props... I just shit on them

[dBking]

boys boys.... calm down. back to business.

do some drugs fry some acid, do the right thing. get back on track and write your name. thats what we are all here for isnt it?

i remermber as a young child i would write on the walls and get in trouble for it but deep down inside everyone could relatre to it on some deep level. i mean even my mother would giggle and smile and stuff and so do people in public after i spray SWINE FLUUUUUU all down the alley and they love it
the people need it
graffiti is the narration of the rhythym of the heartbeat of the family that is graffiti

we are one it is all

that is it
















fuck im really out there hahahahAHAAAAA

[jarvski]

i heard that you can make pilots kinda drippy by doing some shit to them...does anyone know how this is done? i suppose it has something to do with the cotton shit inside or the nib

[dBking]

it ha to do with over filloing them.



sorry im kinda fducked up but hetre it the re3cipe to all my ability






basically wehat you do is go to the art store and payour little 2.50 to buy an ounce of the pilot ink, and once you ave broken dowen yourn puilot jumbo nib and made it a really fat width, you can press on it and kinda pump it while you are writing and get alittle bi8t of dtrip out of it like you are pumping a sponge4 or something.....
hope thismakes sense.












holler at me if it doesnt through teh pm's

[jarvski]

yeah i got the refills.. so what youre saying is fill it til it doesnt absorb into the cotton anymore? i kinda thought this was the case but it seems like that cotton just sucks it all in without end..thanks i will try this

[dBking]

YEAH I MEAN WELL THE RESERVOIR CAPACITY IS FINITE. BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY SOMETHING IN IT (THE COTTON) SO IT OBVIOUSLY CANT TAKE MORE LIQUID VOUME THAN THE SPACE THAT THE COTTON AHD TH AIR IN THE CHAMBER OCCUBPIES.



YOU GET FLOW BY PRESSING HARD IN A PUMPING MOTUION. IFYOU PRESS HARD ALL THE WAY THROUGH, YOUR LINES JUST LOOK LIKE GAHBAGE.






fuck sorery aqbout the caps.........

[jarvski]

yeah yeah i was speaking figuratively about it being infinite.. i just meant its taking a massive amount of ink... but fasho it worked.. ahhah at first it all just splurted out.. but i emptied it a little and i did the pumping motion and i got some nice drips.. am i supposed to props you or something i don't really know this message board etiquette

[dBking]

make sure you either props me or sacrifice a goat on the 1st day of he 9th month of every year.






you pick...

[dBking]

red pill or the blue pill/.............

[purehatecrew]

why not stay on topic?

anybody have any conclusive info or analysis on whether the valve in the valve action markers forces air into the barrel and building pressure? or is it just a spring vlave that opens the flow of ink?

i aimt to dissect a woodcraft next time i get into my evil closet of graff tools, but im so stoned, and im so lazy....

i mean i see it on the other side of the room, but im like meh... im trying to muster up the enetrgy to go paint right now...

sorry for the long pause, but yea its just a valve, and very simple one at that.

im not at home other wise i would take pics.

but it is just a hole on top and a round disk that is bigger that the hole. and the spring holds the disk against the top hole making a seal when you press down the hole opens.well the disk moves out of the way.


some times i will trim the disk to get better flow,


knowing how the valve works i am amazed that 99% of ppl think rusto wont flow throw it,

and almost 100% of them have never even tried it.

[dBking]

ive tried thinned rusto bucket paint and it didnt work.

on the other hand, i used my last few cans of colorplace silver and drained all the pressure and drained out the contents and got that to successfully flow throw a woodcraft (remember back in the day when they used to be called terracotta markers and there actually used to be a silver xylene based fat marker? ahhh those were the days...)

[deado]

viscocity

[acer910]

why?...

[DaOnlyQue]

..AND WHAT

[purehatecrew]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/lostlies/gkzig009.jpg

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

What is that, thinned rusto?

And where do you get those ZIGs or whatever, Michaels?

[purehatecrew]

that is just rusto and thinner.

and you answered you own questian.

[acer910]

woa. how much thinner did you add???? last time i tried to run thinned rusto through a felt nib (actually one from an identical marker) it wrote but hardly any of the pigment went through.

[dBking]

What is that, thinned rusto?

And where do you get those ZIGs or whatever, Michaels?

michaels on the right in the martha stewart section as soon as you walk in. they have mops, markers and white out pen type things with squeezers so they can drip hard.



martha has the vandalism game mastered.

[DaOnlyQue]

bwaahahahahah^^
And damn why NY dont got a michaels

[acer910]

because you guys have actual graffiti shops.

[purehatecrew]

look for villegecraft stores. its micheals with a diffrent name

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

So you guys' walmarts have rusto chrome? I went and they didnt have anything but the most basic color bucket paints. Expensive compared to Lowes too.


What works best with those Martha mops? those things are pumpin me, up, I'll be getting some of them shits tomorrow. Should I make some really thin paint or use ink?

[DaOnlyQue]

because you guys have actual graffiti shops.

Only two-
1. Scrapyard with there ovapriced bullshit
2. Montana store dont know how thats going...
(3. Alphabeta? Hurd about it but eh... too far for me)

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

Just emptied out a Deco with a clean nib, cleaned out the tube, put in oink, it's badass. It's like a K71 except with the staining powder =]

I guess a little later once I rack some of those martha ZIGs, I'll test it in that too...I wanna know how to make some chrome fluid....

[DaOnlyQue]

Rusto with thinnnnner .

[dBking]

So you guys' walmarts have rusto chrome? I went and they didnt have anything but the most basic color bucket paints. Expensive compared to Lowes too.


What works best with those Martha mops? those things are pumpin me, up, I'll be getting some of them shits tomorrow. Should I make some really thin paint or use ink?

there are squeeze mops like oinki mops for the thick stuff. you can put epoxy in them thangs and it is still good, but then there are the mini otr-style markers and they work best when you run a sharp nail through the nib vertically a million times to stimulate flow and to flare the nig. those are good for inks and spray paint only. like silver spray paint. that is the only one i can get to flow through.

also, she has some white out pens that have water based gleue in them that you can wash out. they have a little section you can squeeze on for drips too which is great in my book.


good luck. happy shopping.

[dBking]

Rusto with thinnnnner .

better off using rusto chrome spray paint. it has a thinner consistency with more shine because the chrome in it is finer. (i know it isnt actual chrome, but i have no idea WHAT to call it so that everyone understands)

aluminum bucket paint from rusto is slimier in consistency, and it has a weird kind of chrome tint to it. if anything, i would let it settle and pour off the slimy solvent/oil mixture and just use the chrome with just straight xylene, or even better, mix that shit with some acetone or wd-40 or whatever yougot sittin around....
fuck it ill take ANYTHING over the slime shit they have in rusto bucket paint. that shit is just not necessary for any graffiti applications to my knowing.....


maybe im picky, but try it and you will see what im talkin about...

[purehatecrew]

50% rusto and 50% xylene still plenty opaque.

and there are more than enuf valve markers with xylene based chrome and gold paint in them already.

rusto can work but it will still dry the nib out.

[561!]

So today I came across some foray correction pens that have a twist pressurizer on the opposite end of the tip.
They unscrew open and are refillable.
only got the 3 pack that was left. I'll post a photo later. I took the shit correction fluid out and put straight up rusto white in it works like a charm.

[561!]

Here they are
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/thestdcrew/whiteout001.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/thestdcrew/whiteout002.jpg
The white "bladder" unscrews from the tip for refilling. only con is a semi low capacity.

[acer910]

pilot makes those i believe. atleast something similar.

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

This Martha Marker is sick. The nib isn't felt. It's like dryer softener sheets, that kind of fiber, it feels all smooth. I'll post pics of it later. I decided against putting my oink green in there, since I already have mops with that.

Can you make ink from soaking sharpie felts in alcohol? I want some like thick, OTR like ink or some shit. Maybe even Garvey, dunno. Anyone ever made a Garvey marker?

and @purehate, im assuming you thinned rusto bucket paint, if so, whered you get it? If it's wal mart, mine doesnt have it for some reason.

[dBking]

sharpie ink is no good.

move on...


and btw, OTR ink is horrible and has beebn prven to be horrible may times.


use pilot ink. it is cheap, very staining and penetrating and also bleeds through most buffs.


and for the rusto bucket paint, try home depot or lowes. walmart usually has it but it is one aisle over from the paint section and in a very non descript location. you have to ask if you cabnt find it cuz they do carry it. i ahve bougght it several times.

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

sharpie ink is no good.

move on...


and btw, OTR ink is horrible and has beebn prven to be horrible may times.


use pilot ink. it is cheap, very staining and penetrating and also bleeds through most buffs.


and for the rusto bucket paint, try home depot or lowes. walmart usually has it but it is one aisle over from the paint section and in a very non descript location. you have to ask if you cabnt find it cuz they do carry it. i ahve bougght it several times.

Haha man I'm not stuck on sharpie, and only used an OTR once. I just want a decent thick covering ink for this marker, the nib looks real freeflowing. What's funny is I actually did ask the paint guy at walmart said he had no clue.

So, any stores carry pilot? Or should I just order bulk online lol.

[dBking]

art stores

[DaOnlyQue]

some hobby stores tooo

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

I'm gonna run this thread into the ground by asking so many questions, but can you not make a thicker ink than pilot making your own? If pilot is thick, I'll shutup, but I dont want to put the normal runny, drippy as fuck ink in this one.

[561!]

There are many ways to thicken up ink.
or you could make a paint mix.

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

Yeah I know how to thin paint, but whats a way to thicken up ink? I might just thicken some oink and use it...

[acer910]

oink isnt paint

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

Re-read what I said you fucking tool. It's like you have nothing better to do than instigate.
Yeah I know how to thin paint, but whats a way to thicken up ink? I might just thicken some oink and use it...

[561!]

why do you want to thickin up ink soo much?

just learn to control your flow.

[injury]

yeah, you don't need to worry about ink splattering everywhere if you're careful...
seriously, take handstyles a little slower. you'll be happier with the result, and you won't have ink all over yourself.

if you really need to thicken it just use bucket paint.

EDIT: use bucket paint instead of ink. not mixing paint and ink.. thats otherworldy game-peeping steeze, like soy sauce & kool-aid

[acer910]

Re-read what I said you fucking tool. It's like you have nothing better to do than instigate.

oh my bad, your other posts combined with red tictac led me to figure what you said was dumb, which it still is. excuse me for not conducting a research project on every one of your posts.

[DaOnlyQue]

BURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[johnneh7]

Re-read what I said you fucking tool. It's like you have nothing better to do than instigate.

so underlining and changing colors of random shit will get the point across?

chill the fuck out and experiment things for yourself

[dBking]

oh my bad, your other posts combined with red tictac led me to figure what you said was dumb, which it still is. excuse me for not conducting a research project on every one of your posts.

i think both of you have too much adolescent testosterone floating through your veins and both of you need to shut the fuck up and quit arguing.


use corn starch for water based inks. for oil based paint, evap some solvent and use linseed oil. for alcohol based inks, evap some alcohol and leave it as it is



if everyone who wanted to bitch would at least put something contructive at the END of their statement, evetrything would be cool....

[dBking]

chill the fuck out and experiment things for yourself

i cant stress this point enough!

[DaOnlyQue]

who can?

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

I called homie an idiot cause he'd rather argue. Dude had no reason for posting other than to talk shit.

And wtf are you guys talking about, just experiment? Ink is the one thing you wanna know what you're doing so you don't fuck it up. Plus I'm not tryin to fuck up some ink that I actually paid for.


But thanks dB and injury for the knowledge

[dBking]

hey look olink, we arent tryin to be dicks to you.

i think we may be failing to articulate the whole idea we are trying to convey here....



ok, so here goes, try to read into what im tryin to say rather than the words im typing...

i wasted literally gallons of ink learning all of this stuff, and i also wasted many hours reading and doing research in other places than 12oz.

do you have to study hours on hours to learn how to make great ink?

no.



will studying inks make me able to make great inks right off the bat?

no.



BUT


i noticed, that with every mistake i made with my ink, i learned one more thing that didnt work, and also, it forced me to dry non conventional things like gas-x, pH stabilizers etc.

without all those mistakes i would not be half as wise as i am today.

every mistake is a milestone. every milestone is one step closer to becoming a proper ink chemist.

so dont sweat the small stuff. we all make mistakes, pros and toys, but the difference is, the pros learn from their mistakes, and the toys dont learn anything at all.





smile next time you make a mistake. smoke a joint, and never turn down the allure of a bug sprayer to get rid of a shitty ink batch. if you put enough of any ink onto a wall, it will be hard to buff.



also it helps to make your ink in small batches. i used to start out with 4 ounce batches, and 8 ounce batches. now that i have my formula to a comfortable spot, i make it in gallons.

ounces first, pounds, err i mean gallons later... got it?


holler if u need help, and i appologize for any douchery on my part. just drop me a PM if you need any further ink help.

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

Fer sure, appreciate it man. and i'll def. be hittin you up sometime bout ink.

[dBking]

any time man.


speaking of ink, time to go catch some wreck. hahaha.

[DaOnlyQue]

ounces first, pounds, err i mean gallons later... got it?

.

Lol. I know wht he tlkin bout here...

[\\KNUX//]

anybody ever use one of those broad tip martha mops? theyre kinda like those tiny OTR ones just i think a little bigger. anyway my friend got one and cleaned the shit out and filled it with red int, closed it up. there was some foam ring he threw out that is under the nib, and it dripped like a motherfuck when he tried it. so anyway i got one and filled it with silver ghetto krink and left that foam ring in, and it still dripped like a motherfuck. i used it for like minutes dickin around on a board and said fuck it-i had paint everywhere. i left it sit for like a week and i guess the paint sealed whatever was leaking, but all the paint evaporated and the nib is full of fuckin turpentine haha. anybody got a clue why its drippin? oh and its coming out by the nib so i cant tape around tha bottom

[This is my Username]

It might be the wrong place to post this, but ah what the hell.

What's a good brand of marker to use for sketches? I have these shitty "Elmer's Painters" that I racked from Wal - Mart and they SUCK royally. They were all that I could find a hurry though. :rolleyes:

So, needless to say I need to get some GOOD markers for my blackbook. I've heard something about Zigs??? Anybody heard of these? Regardless, what are some good ones? Thanks, guys. I usually just draw my shit in pen and pencil, but that's getting boring, haha.

[dBking]

anybody ever use one of those broad tip martha mops? theyre kinda like those tiny OTR ones just i think a little bigger. anyway my friend got one and cleaned the shit out and filled it with red int, closed it up. there was some foam ring he threw out that is under the nib, and it dripped like a motherfuck when he tried it. so anyway i got one and filled it with silver ghetto krink and left that foam ring in, and it still dripped like a motherfuck. i used it for like minutes dickin around on a board and said fuck it-i had paint everywhere. i left it sit for like a week and i guess the paint sealed whatever was leaking, but all the paint evaporated and the nib is full of fuckin turpentine haha. anybody got a clue why its drippin? oh and its coming out by the nib so i cant tape around tha bottom

the solvents in the paint are basically eating something inside, maybe the foam ring, most likely the valve mechanism though which is probably not HDPE rated (HDPE is a weak plastic also for containing most oil based solvents, but it can carry some after it is made to a certain thickness)

when things inside are getting eaten up, they produce gases which become pressurized in there and every time you open the valve the paint is shooting out.

also if your silver ghetto krink has silver spray paint as an ingredient, they are kinda like fizzy drinks without the bubbles. lots of gas still in the liquid.


hope this little tidbit helps.

[dBking]

It might be the wrong place to post this, but ah what the hell.

What's a good brand of marker to use for sketches? I have these shitty "Elmer's Painters" that I racked from Wal - Mart and they SUCK royally. They were all that I could find a hurry though. :rolleyes:

So, needless to say I need to get some GOOD markers for my blackbook. I've heard something about Zigs??? Anybody heard of these? Regardless, what are some good ones? Thanks, guys. I usually just draw my shit in pen and pencil, but that's getting boring, haha.

dont laugh but crayola pip squeaks. they are small and come 64 to a pack and you can get em at lwagreens for 5.99

i bought two boxes thinking they would run out quick, but they surprisingly have alot of ink.

dont count on your sketches lasting 10 years tho...

[This is my Username]

Damn, that was pretty informative. Thanks. :)

[dBking]

i know.

[dBking]

^^^hahaha j/k

[This is my Username]

^^^hahaha j/k

Hahaha. :lol:

[dBking]

on a lighter note, my little graff video live mix thing is about to hit 1000 complete views in under 30 days. fuckin great. it is so motivating.

and i dont know if posting my link is spam, but it is a graff video so i guess it is good.
the video is assorted graff footage, the music is assorted drumnbass that i played during a live mix for CantStopRunning.com (an invite only graff site)

so here you go, enjoy.

http://www.vimeo.com/4387869
http://www.vimeo.com/4387869
http://www.vimeo.com/4387869
http://www.vimeo.com/4387869
http://www.vimeo.com/4387869

feel free to leave any crits/comments for the video if you like.

[yeahnation]

anybody ever use one of those broad tip martha mops? theyre kinda like those tiny OTR ones just i think a little bigger. anyway my friend got one and cleaned the shit out and filled it with red int, closed it up. there was some foam ring he threw out that is under the nib, and it dripped like a motherfuck when he tried it. so anyway i got one and filled it with silver ghetto krink and left that foam ring in, and it still dripped like a motherfuck. i used it for like minutes dickin around on a board and said fuck it-i had paint everywhere. i left it sit for like a week and i guess the paint sealed whatever was leaking, but all the paint evaporated and the nib is full of fuckin turpentine haha. anybody got a clue why its drippin? oh and its coming out by the nib so i cant tape around tha bottom

Okay, I'm pretty sure I know what happened.

For your friend, the foam piece that you're talking about is in the upper-part of the valve, which is right near the opening of the nib. The foam ring's main purpose is to catch any excess ink that comes into the valve to prevent what exactly what your friends problem was: dripping. So, for your friend, next time, leave the foam ring in, and maybe try not to flood the valve/nib as much when you're writing with the marker.

As for you, it has nothing to do with the foam piece. Instead, I think your problem is your silver ghetto krink. If your GK is what I think it is (thinned out rusto), it is most likely too thick to pass through the nib. So when your GK can't pass through the nib, it has to get out somehow (providing and assuming that the nib has been depressed), and that is through where the bottom of the nib meets the marker.


So, solutions:

For your friend- leave the foam piece in.
For you- get much thicker ink (I'd personally say stay away from thinned paint... unless it's like 75% thinner, it barely ever flows through those nibs). Also, when you first get a marker and empty it, take the nib, and with a clothes pin or a small point, poke holes vertically in the top of the nib to increase the flow.


(I also assume by "red int" you meant "red ink")

[dBking]

^^^ nice work. something tells me you will do just fine here. welcome.

[yeahnation]

on a lighter note, my little graff video live mix thing is about to hit 1000 complete views in under 30 days. fuckin great. it is so motivating.

and i dont know if posting my link is spam, but it is a graff video so i guess it is good.
the video is assorted graff footage, the music is assorted drumnbass that i played during a live mix for CantStopRunning.com (an invite only graff site)

so here you go, enjoy.

http://www.vimeo.com/4387869
http://www.vimeo.com/4387869
http://www.vimeo.com/4387869
http://www.vimeo.com/4387869
http://www.vimeo.com/4387869

feel free to leave any crits/comments for the video if you like.

Dude those videos are sweet. Very nicely done

[This is my Username]

Yeah, I agree. Sick vid man.

[yeahnation]

It might be the wrong place to post this, but ah what the hell.

What's a good brand of marker to use for sketches? I have these shitty "Elmer's Painters" that I racked from Wal - Mart and they SUCK royally. They were all that I could find a hurry though. :rolleyes:

So, needless to say I need to get some GOOD markers for my blackbook. I've heard something about Zigs??? Anybody heard of these? Regardless, what are some good ones? Thanks, guys. I usually just draw my shit in pen and pencil, but that's getting boring, haha.

Hey what DB was saying was completely right... what markers you use in your blackbook is completely up to you. For elitists, touch makers, copics, and prismacolors seem to be the most popular. But those are expensive if you plan on buying them, and harder to rack in large numbers than cheaper markers.

Personally, I'd have to say the best medium quality and lowest priced marker out there is sharpie. It has virtually every color you want, and they're so easy to get (cheap if you plan to buy, easy to rack if you plan to do that).

Zigs and Decos are paint markers, which makes them handle VERY differently than say crayola markers or prismas.

Overall I wouldn't worry about what markers are "good." I'd say to get a lot of different types, and try them out. Also, mix and match... mix and match. Use anything and everything.

[This is my Username]

Hey what DB was saying was completely right... what markers you use in your blackbook is completely up to you. For elitists, touch makers, copics, and prismacolors seem to be the most popular. But those are expensive if you plan on buying them, and harder to rack in large numbers than cheaper markers.

Personally, I'd have to say the best medium quality and lowest priced marker out there is sharpie. It has virtually every color you want, and they're so easy to get (cheap if you plan to buy, easy to rack if you plan to do that).

Zigs and Decos are paint markers, which makes them handle VERY differently than say crayola markers or prismas.

Overall I wouldn't worry about what markers are "good." I'd say to get a lot of different types, and try them out. Also, mix and match... mix and match. Use anything and everything.

Alright, alright thanks. Where can I get some Zigs? Decos? Prismas?

[NoXi]

michaels or joanns

[This is my Username]

michaels or joanns

Okay, thanks man.

I'm buying some supplies from Art Primo later on, some of which are markers for when I go bombing. I was looking at the Pilot Jumbo. Is there something better / more preferred that I should look into? I don't wanna waste my money on a shit marker, naw mean?

[yeahnation]

Well, there are a few objectionable points buying graff supplies online... But hey, it's your money, so do whatever you want.

These are the markers/things that I say do NOT and I mean NEVER buy:
-OTR (paint, flowpen, anything)
-Molotow (any marker)
-Art Primo Mop (although buying the replacement nibs for your own mops may be a good idea)
-Art Primo Kiwi Mop

I say do not buy those because you can easily access the exact same things at your local arts and crafts store such as michaels.

The reason I did not mention KRink is because the markers he offers are extremely durable and unique, and the mops he uses are extremely versatile.

The pilot jumbo is probably the classic of all classics... you can't go wrong. If you decided to blow all your money on pilot jumbos and pilot refill ink, it would not be a waste of an order.

To be honest, I'd recommend that you buy only ink and MAYBE a marker that you really really really want. Do Em Dirty, Oink, Pilot, Marsh, and Garvey is my top 5 (not sequentially) for inks, just in my opinion.


Websites like artprimo are really great and convenient... but it's sad to see how everything in graffiti is becoming so "pre-packaged." Doing things yourself teaches you so much more... Make your own ink, thin your own paint, find your own markers, make your own mops... You'd be surprised at what amazing things your imagination can create.

[This is my Username]

Well, there are a few objectionable points buying graff supplies online... But hey, it's your money, so do whatever you want.

These are the markers/things that I say do NOT and I mean NEVER buy:
-OTR (paint, flowpen, anything)
-Molotow (any marker)
-Art Primo Mop (although buying the replacement nibs for your own mops may be a good idea)
-Art Primo Kiwi Mop

I say do not buy those because you can easily access the exact same things at your local arts and crafts store such as michaels.

The reason I did not mention KRink is because the markers he offers are extremely durable and unique, and the mops he uses are extremely versatile.

The pilot jumbo is probably the classic of all classics... you can't go wrong. If you decided to blow all your money on pilot jumbos and pilot refill ink, it would not be a waste of an order.

To be honest, I'd recommend that you buy only ink and MAYBE a marker that you really really really want. Do Em Dirty, Oink, Pilot, Marsh, and Garvey is my top 5 (not sequentially) for inks, just in my opinion.


Websites like artprimo are really great and convenient... but it's sad to see how everything in graffiti is becoming so "pre-packaged." Doing things yourself teaches you so much more... Make your own ink, thin your own paint, find your own markers, make your own mops... You'd be surprised at what amazing things your imagination can create.

The problem with that is that I don't have steady access to all of the necessary ingredients to MAKE the inks. I'd have to bust into my friend's garage and jack some of his paint, thinner, DOT3, etc, mix it, bottle it, and then bring it home. Then I have to find something to put the ink in (aka make my own marker / mop) and I don't have the greatest ingenuity when it comes to that...I tried many times to make a marker / mop and it leaked all over me.

This is why I was going to resort to buying a marker and then just refilling it with whatever I made / or bought when I came down to that point in time. Other things like paint, ingredients for ink - making, etc. I rack...I'm a graff artist not a poser, haha.

I think I might buy an empty Pilot Jumbo and make some ink. I can get the ingredients, but I have to wait until the right time to go and jack them...and I'm very impatient, haha. But, say you had to choose ONE ink to use to make your marker's ink...what would it be of teh 5 that you listed above? What's the end all be all best one around? Keep in mind that I'm not made of money either, haha.

[yeahnation]

First off, any Pilot you buy is never empty... They come juiced and ready to roll. Part of why they're so amazing.

And as for making your own ink... Search. This. Thread. There are a million recipes for making your own pen ink. It's actually very quite simple and easy, not to mention effective.

And as for making your own marker, I think you misunderstood me. Go to Michaels, find a Zig Woodcraft Marker or Zig 2 Way Glue Marker or a Martha Stewart Glue Marker, empty it, clean it, and then fill it with your own ink. BAM! You have either an OTR or an OTR mini in your hand (in my opinion, much much much better). Or go to any arts and crafts store and find a Tee Juice marker (same as the art primo mini mop), empty it, replace the nib with one from art primo or use chalkboard eraser, refill it with your own ink, and bam... Glorious. Same thing with a Kiwi Shoe Polish mop... You get the idea.

And if you were to buy one ink... that's a tough one. Personally, I like oink ink. Maybe it's just because asdf recommended it a long time ago, or maybe because it's just real good. Out of those five, you can't really go wrong though... Garvey and Marsh are classics... I'll wait for other people in this thread to voice their opinion about ink. Actually, on second thought, go to the ink thread and search around, and ask there.

[yeahnation]

I wouldn't call making a marker from a Zig Woodcraft as ingenuity either... more like... thriftiness.

[DaOnlyQue]

OR DONEATHOMENESS

[\\KNUX//]

you can even make yer own ink(obviously). the BEST staining ink ive ever had i made doing the bic method and a few magical ingredients... it took a long time to dry but i buff tested it against some of the best inks and it came out best(even oink).

[This is my Username]

Thanks, guys.

[dBking]

First off, any Pilot you buy is never empty... They come juiced and ready to roll. Part of why they're so amazing.

And as for making your own ink... Search. This. Thread. There are a million recipes for making your own pen ink. It's actually very quite simple and easy, not to mention effective.

And as for making your own marker, I think you misunderstood me. Go to Michaels, find a Zig Woodcraft Marker or Zig 2 Way Glue Marker or a Martha Stewart Glue Marker, empty it, clean it, and then fill it with your own ink. BAM! You have either an OTR or an OTR mini in your hand (in my opinion, much much much better). Or go to any arts and crafts store and find a Tee Juice marker (same as the art primo mini mop), empty it, replace the nib with one from art primo or use chalkboard eraser, refill it with your own ink, and bam... Glorious. Same thing with a Kiwi Shoe Polish mop... You get the idea.

And if you were to buy one ink... that's a tough one. Personally, I like oink ink. Maybe it's just because asdf recommended it a long time ago, or maybe because it's just real good. Out of those five, you can't really go wrong though... Garvey and Marsh are classics... I'll wait for other people in this thread to voice their opinion about ink. Actually, on second thought, go to the ink thread and search around, and ask there.

man actually you hit it on the head.

oink is good for commercial, but only the black. pilot is GREAT for local cuz it is very staining, dries glossy and it bleeds through most buff.

pen ink is the shit, and anything with dot3 is not the shit. learn that right away. matter fact write it down. if you get marsh, make sure it is t-grade, and if you wanna buy a marker that will be with you for the rest of your life, get a t-99 (they are on AP for like 20$ dont get the cheaper one) they will last a lifetime, and if youc ant afford that most art shops have pilot jumbos for like less than 4$ and once you break down the nib like with any marker the shit is fuckin tits.

[injury]

^^
the regular pilot chisel tips are fresh too, and more versatile in that they let you hit up smaller places than a jumbo. also, almost nowhere has them behind the counter..

[dBking]

i have one that is all bent to shit cuz i stepped on it and i still use it almost every day because now it is EVEN better. (hard to imagine i know, but it made like an ergonomic grip for my hand when i stepped on it. weird eh?)


i feel like writing the pilot people a big thank you note.

[This is my Username]

I'll be sure to keep these things in mind, guys. Thanks again!

[dBking]

oh shit i think i just built the first ghetto handmade steel tip roller marker for less than a few bucks and about 10 minutes work (including brainstorming)

[dBking]

ill post a tutorial with pics when i finish replacing my ball bearing and spring assembly. prolly in a few days here. but this shit is tight if it works like i think it will...

[allfreetime]

Anyone know if Griffin Shoe Dye and Edge Trimming with the applicator in the jar is still on the market?

[allfreetime]

^Nevermind. Anywhere I can get the applicator in the jar like Griffin?

[561!]

you can even make yer own ink(obviously). the BEST staining ink ive ever had i made doing the bic method and a few magical ingredients... it took a long time to dry but i buff tested it against some of the best inks and it came out best(even oink).

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[\\KNUX//]

^Nevermind. Anywhere I can get the applicator in the jar like Griffin?

witches brew comes with that shit but you cant get just the bottle.

and to 561! - that was based on letting it sit for just a couple minutes. i just realized that it shows better after you let it sit. but i aint lyin about that ink, only problem was it took 2 days to dry haha so i scrapped the recipe.

and does anybody know if they allready pulled sharpie paint markers off the shelves? where i live at all the art stores and that got rid of pilots years ago cause of graff... yeah the sharpie ink sucked but with good ink they were similar to pilots. (and rackable)

[dBking]

use an old empty tin of PVC primer. they have the top with the brush dauber

if not, you can make your own by wrappeing some wadding in a sturdy wire and looping the wire at the top wider than the jar mouth and then wedging it in the cap. kinda like dipping easter eggs.

[561!]

Anyone for a trade?
I think like 30-32 copic sketch blackbook markers for like some touch's or something.

http://image.misterart.com/grouppix/528x352/8000/g8241.jpg

[dBking]

touch's? like painters touch cans?

i got plenty shit just lemme know some things ur interested in and i prolly have it. excluding euro paint, i dont keep that stuff much.

[sata]

These are dope. Mini white out pens. There like 50 cents for 2 if you pay for stuff but there mad easy to steal. You can probably only get like 5 tags out of them but there really inconspicuous.

http://i44.tinypic.com/dnot8w.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/11k9h0k.jpg

[561!]

these.

http://www.jerrysartarama.com/images/resized/386x450/PRODUCTS/PENS_AND_MARKERS/SHINHAN_TOUCH_MARKERS/0067377000000-ST-01-Touch-Twin-Markers.jpg
http://www.freshnessmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/touch-twin-02.jpg

[yeahnation]

Those little whiteout pens are cool. Except Presto's are still 100x better. I have probably refilled my Presto Whiteout pen over 50 times... That shit has seen everything from pilot ink to ghetto krink and it's still goin' strong.

I just picked up some of those replacement nibs for those Oink mops from my friend. I know they'll fit on those Tee Juice mops and other similar forms, but does anybody know of any KRink-like bodies that they'll fit onto? I've searched and searched through things from hand sanitizer to eye droppers and haven't found a single match. Help a brotha out?

[561!]

Oriental trading.

[DaOnlyQue]

ALOTTA TAPE

[yeahnation]

Haha the thought actually did cross my mind^^

But I popped that question too soon. Turns out, they fit perfectly into these 3 oz. containers of contact solution. Absolutely perfect. Perhaps pics later...

[DaOnlyQue]

perhaps so

[dBking]

Those little whiteout pens are cool. Except Presto's are still 100x better. I have probably refilled my Presto Whiteout pen over 50 times... That shit has seen everything from pilot ink to ghetto krink and it's still goin' strong.

I just picked up some of those replacement nibs for those Oink mops from my friend. I know they'll fit on those Tee Juice mops and other similar forms, but does anybody know of any KRink-like bodies that they'll fit onto? I've searched and searched through things from hand sanitizer to eye droppers and haven't found a single match. Help a brotha out?

hotel shampoo. if they work on contact solution, they work in nose spray bottles. which are very dope in themselves to say the least.

[pedoe]

looking to buy at least $100 worth of sakura solids for cheap price. anyone?? PM please if ya know where..

[pedoe]

These are dope. Mini white out pens. There like 50 cents for 2 if you pay for stuff but there mad easy to steal. You can probably only get like 5 tags out of them but there really inconspicuous.

http://i44.tinypic.com/dnot8w.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/11k9h0k.jpg

yea but they dont flow as good as prestos. those are just tooooo dope

[DaOnlyQue]

WHERE he copped dem shits at

[sata]

I got them at office depot, and yeah no other white out pen is as good as a presto.

[cons_oner]

so how would you refill a presto? the cap seems too tight.

[DaOnlyQue]

TWIST WHICH EVER WAY

[dBking]

counter clockwise

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

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[dBking]

^^^that's me.

[ɞℓiɴĸ]

What's a good way to learn/practice calligraphy?

[DaOnlyQue]

using a chisel tip marker
and while moving your arm twist your hand so the wide side fades to small then wide...etc.
or learn from a chinese master

[dBking]

^^^ ur thinking of sumi-e which is a round brush, instead of a chisel tip in formal caligraphy.


do a search for calligraffiti

[johnneh7]

calligraphy is a bitch to learn.

i spent a whole summer on that shit.
kinda worth it, kinda not.

[purehatecrew]

What's a good way to learn/practice calligraphy?

get a book or type that into google.

[DaOnlyQue]

like most smart people.

[boby678]

today i receive 3 samples that i have request from the markal website,i dont know if someone already do more than one request but i have send my second request and i want to know if someone know if its possible to do more than one?

[561!]

Damn your typing sucks(no offense) But usually they have you logged into a computer.

[boby678]

my typing sucks...because i speak french all the time,im from montreal,quebec,canada
i can talk in english and i understand really good but im not bilingual at all