European fr8's dont give me boners.

[imported_muthafuckinfatso]

man they are weak. i painted one today and its i dunno. it aint like a fucking solid cold, atsf autorak, or even a fucking oilcar. Booo to these euro fr8s.
have any of yall seen them before? passenger trains are the shit here. but u knew that already eh.
later.

[dukeofyork]

thats probably why they hate on americans doing freights...cause theirs suck and they dont get the same feeling...
on a secondary thought worth noting: if i had an option between subway cars and freights, id be hitting sub cars..

[T.T Boy]

great, i was looking forward to doing freights on my trip. ah well i cant complain with subways. ill be looking for your trains when im there pal.

[L.RonHubbard]

MADRID subways and cercanillas are fat. anywhere in spain is good to paint the rails basically. those renfe's are crazy bone on the really real. you gotta go under the streets to those underground yards but i could never find them.

[Average White Railfan]

we were ironically talking about this today. i think if i went to europe id want to do one subway but id smash the freights..just so everyone would think how stupid it would be to turn down subways to hit freights..

[imported_Tesseract]

That would be stupid, wouldnt it?:D
Anyway, its a whole different system, you cant compare uncomparable things.

[Frate_Raper]

YO SUCKER!!!!!!!


When are you getting back???I want to come down the to see teh ocean mang!


Hope alls well

[kinkosnerd]

if your going to europe, ignore the freights and go straight for the double decker bananas in holland.. they are the nicest passenger trains to see graffiti on..

The subway in Athens greece would be nice too, its brand spankin new.

Or the subways in rome.. Every car is fucking killed.


p.s.
Dead in the dirt issue 3.5 is out now, actually im running it right now..
16 pages of nothing but freights.. Nothing but freights..
deadinthedirt
p.o. box 1030
jeffersonville, in. 47131

[T.T Boy]

Originally posted by kinkosnerd
if your going to europe, ignore the freights and go straight for the double decker bananas in holland.. they are the nicest passenger trains to see graffiti on..

The subway in Athens greece would be nice too, its brand spankin new.

Or the subways in rome.. Every car is fucking killed.


p.s.
Dead in the dirt issue 3.5 is out now, actually im running it right now..
16 pages of nothing but freights.. Nothing but freights..
deadinthedirt
p.o. box 1030
jeffersonville, in. 47131

sorry bro, most of romes subways caught the buff.

[fr8lover]

i got to see the rome subways in their glory right before that happened i guess...lines were killeeddddd...

italian boxcars are funny as hell but they had some cars that looked almost similar to us gondolas and stuff like that...

[kinkosnerd]

thats crazy about the rome subways.. i was there like 2 months ago, and everything was fucking destroyed.. there was so much stuff on there that i couldnt really get flicks of any one single thing...
wow..

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by kinkosnerd

The subway in Athens greece would be nice too, its brand spankin new.



Bad news for this one to,
Cars have been painted but none survived after a couple of hours. The old train system however can be hit as it always could. But with Athens hosting the olympics in 2004 i can only think of one word, HEAT

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Why the fuck would anyone paint frieghts in europe?!?!?!?!

[kinkosnerd]

yeah, lots of heat.. But those trains are soo nice and brand new.. So clean and shiny..

[zxcvb]

Are fellow writers keen to help out tourists on there travels throughout europe specifically Holland ? Is it easy to hook up or better to get contacts before i go ?,cos i got a few here but i would like to meet a few of the locals ?Any help appriciated :idea: :crazy: :cool:

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by kinkosnerd
yeah, lots of heat.. But those trains are soo nice and brand new.. So clean and shiny..

Ha! Tell me about it:crazy: :dazed: :beat:

chooooooo (http://www.ametro.gr)

[T.T Boy]

i have some pics of those roman subways in their peak. god did it look beautiful. i cant believe what it looked like. layers upon layers. just insane.

i think ill be able to change things.

[taper]

its ugly eysore trash and it is soo fucking easy and shitty. it makes me want to puke.

[Average White Railfan]

all that being said, i think i would rather paint the freights anywhere i went. subways just dont do it for me...any more. besides freights in these foreign countries will probably run forever. imagine nyc in 1982
nobody would paint a fuckin freight train because no one could fathom that the subways would ever be graffiti free. i mean painting freights in the early 1980's was joked about in nyc like it is joked about in europe and australia now....the naked truth is americans (ny and abroad) are not laughing about freights (20 years later) now. so while places like europe and australia are basking in the light of running passenger trains
(and i am not hating on that, not in the least bit) one day somebody in an official capacity is going to get sick of it, and dedicate there life to ending it..trust me, ive seen it happen before....and history has a annoying tendancy to repeat itself.

[imported_Tesseract]

For you to understand completely the US attraction for freights, here's what we'll do to your GEOGRAPHY. First, we'll take away your politics, and make all contiguous land in Eurasia politically stable, sort of neutral, borders easy to cross. Then we'll make sure that passenger train lines are few and far between, and those few that actually run to more than one country are heavily guarded and most of your (rushed) work is buffed without ever running or being seen by anyone but 3 transit workers. Then we'll give you a Eurasian freight system in excellent working order that runs from Portugal to Korea, Russia to India, and everywhere in between. There will be thousands of spots to hit freights, some hard, some easy. Your work, if you are savvy enough to avoid painting over the car ID numbers, will run for years, maybe a decade or two. We'll then give you a generation of steel enthusiasts across Eurasia who bench their lines, trade flicks, and report what they see on the Net. We'll throw in a way for you to find out where your trains are at any time, and you'll be hearing that a train you painted in Antwerp was spotted in Vladivostok, and one you nailed with so-and-so in Brussels is unloading in Istanbul, and that you have trains from years ago popping up in Murmansk, Warsaw, New Delhi, Rome, Madrid, Nepal, St. Petersburg, and Seoul...even though you never hit any outside of Holland plus a couple short road trips in eastern Europe.
Posted by Cracked ass

Read those wise words, its different things compared.
Truth is that if you live in the states you got all the above as a good reason to paint freights.
If you live in Europe you get to paint the subway, wich by the way is the most traditional and meaningfull thing in graffiti.
As far as being easy or not....please

[NC]

last post seems like something that is very close to happening in australia... stuff runs (on passenger trains) but then sometimes it doesnt and it goes straight to the buff... as for freights, id say its been around a while too, maybe not what Average White Railfan says : "i mean painting freights in the early 1980's was joked about in nyc like it is joked about in europe and australia now...." is all that accurate cos here freights , well here for me are pretty easy to do :P

as for europe, i havent seen it in last 6-7 years , but from the videos and mags coming from there White Railfan seems to got it right.

[imported_muthafuckinfatso]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
Why the fuck would anyone paint frieghts in europe?!?!?!?!

nah man, lotsa kids paint em fr8s here. passenger s are the top shit but a fr8 is like a legal wall. but man they suck.

budpest subways aint like rome i guess but theyre pretty crushed and run for months. i been catchin e2e s and whole cars with the windows buffed and shit,... its cool.

[imported_El Mas Sucio De Todos]

wow, its actually pretty funny that i get on here for the first time in ages, and the first post i read is about fr8s in europe. im in austria right now and i had the exact same experience. i painted fr8s here and somehow it seemed really lame. they had HUGE ridges. they were some sort of hoppers, but some of them had long chunks of wood on them, which soaked the paint and whatnot... it was freezing fucking cold, too! anyway, thats my 5 cents on the topic of euro-fr8s. Something else: vienna girls are HOT.

[KRAUT]

We don't need freights here, we got passenger trains, high speed trains, s-trains, subways etc. Who needs freights in Europe?:dazed:

[T.T Boy]

Originally posted by KRAUT
We don't need freights here, we got passenger trains, high speed trains, s-trains, subways etc. Who needs freights in Europe?:dazed:


you guys ship your goods on passenger trains now?

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by T.T Boy



you guys ship your goods on passenger trains now?

...Ships are also good:D

[T.T Boy]

Originally posted by Tesseract


...Ships are also good:D

germany would ship goods to say italy by ship?

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Alot of times the freights are parked in the same yards as the passengers, so which one would you rather paint?

[T.T Boy]

JTF> thats true. i agree.

[vynlone]

I tell ya what people... there is this strange misconception that all of europe has subways/passenger trains that will run.Well thats is bascially bollocks.
The LOndon Underground and British Rail have a policy of buffing as soon as the graff is noticed. Our passenger train scene is massive compared to the US. But then again we have a country wide rail network with many yards and layups to hit. But if you wanna do the real hardcore try doing tube trains. Movement sensors. razor wire, dogs and BTp in the yard. If any people would want to hook up and show me what US freights are all about when I come to America next send me a mail.
Or if any US writers want to see how "easy" our system is to do then come over here and see for yourselves.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by T.T Boy


germany would ship goods to say italy by ship?

I think that this conversation is becoming more interesting than the original one.
To tell you the truth i dont really know what freights are really used for.
I supose food, mostly meat, cheese and sensitive stuff in general.
I dont really know what i'm talking about here but based on common sense i'll tell you what i think.
1st, europe is not that big and europes market aint that free (although its planned to be) meaning that everycountry likes to consume its own goods.Every european country has its own goods so the imported amount of products isnt that big and can be easily done with trucks and ships. Germany for example has some very large harbors as i know, mostly used for shipping products as i know.
Imagine that if you want to travel from belgium(which is the center of europe geographicly) to any country in europe the distance aint that big.
So, i dont really know what i'm saying but i think that some points are valid and make sense, if anyone knows better, please

[NC]

Originally posted by T.T Boy



you guys ship your goods on passenger trains now?




hahahahahahaha

probably do... who knows whats changed since ive been there ;)


still
Imagine that if you want to travel from belgium(which is the center of europe geographicly) to any country in europe the distance aint that big.

id say thats about right
not much point in germany shipping stuff all the way around by boat when they can just use freights

[imported_Europe]

About Europe in general:

1 Most passenger trains are as hard to hit in Europe as they are in the states. In a few systems stuff will run for a long time without being buffed. Most systems all graff will be buffed very quickly.

2. Freights are used for shipping goods here too, but alot of stuff gets shipped by trucks. Cans for example goes by truck.

[baLLeRplAyA]

if i went to europe i would paint big cargo ships.....and airplanes.

[Frate_Raper]

FATASS It's set I'll be in the eastern area of the fish plant in May......are you going to be their or what?

[NATO]

alot of coal is shifted by fr8 in england for the power stations. fr8s come through the center of my city on a regular basis.

[cabin fever]

I'd wager that Europe uses a lot more trucks than they do freights. The distances they ship are probably generally smaller than in North America (ie: where fruit comes from California to...everywhere else). Plus, from what I know, which is very little, it seems like their freight network is not as extensive as here, like not every city has freight lines running into it. I"m probably wrong, but thats the impression I get. I think ships and trucks are probably more on the go than freights..

As for painting, I think European freights look cool at least, those little ones that look like houses? Craziness. It would be interesting if someone just started steadily crushing that shit, like on some 1000-2000 freights just to see if people would start putting euro freight flicks in mags....

anyways, fatso paint some more fucking passengers and put me up jigga!

[T.T Boy]

all that i know is that alot of goods are shipped by truck in europe. something about switzerland and road damage. i might be talking out my ass here. any one know?

[Acid_Cologne]

As for Trucks, this really depends on the city where you are. Here where I live I can rarely see trucks but when I was in Berlin I saw a lot of them in a few days. From what I heard of Paris they are hitting Trucks a lot. Most of the stuff is painted.
Here in Germany we are hitting freights, but the most peoply are going out to paint Subway/Passenger or even High Speed Trains.

[vynlone]

I am starting to like the sound of doing a couple of freights where I could take my time and it would last a lot longer than a BR.
If any UK writers post here and know any good freight spots then drop me a mail.
cheers

[NATO]

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