phase 2 [Archive] - THE WRITERS FORUM - THE GRAFFITI DESTINATION

rhettdec

03-07-2002, 06:04 PM

dude like whats your problem bro like everyone knows who phase 2 is even me im white and go to art school and dont like hiphop but still write graff and do drugs then show of how i do drugs to make myself feel cool and like all the other white art fags who write graff know who he is too.......what do you listen to that rap stuff or are you just black......just kidding. check this out. http://www.rawvision.com/back/phase2/phase2.html hey man what the hell phase 2 is black god he probrobly likes hiphop god like word yo bling bling..... he he he .... i said bling bling

seeking

03-07-2002, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by cypha
Dude Phase 2 is the person that basicly invented the shit you do now so I would think that anyone that is in the graff game knows Phase 2. Your right though I never have found a site with any flix of him.

phase 2, while definitely a very important part of graff history, did not 'invent' graffiti, nor was he integral to its invention. he certainly took it places no one else did, but he didnt 'invent' it.

having said that, www.google.com (http://www.google.com)>image search>phase 2

ASER1NE

03-07-2002, 08:23 PM

that google search didnt work , well atleast not on the first 5 pages , nor on page 11

hbg

03-08-2002, 01:24 AM

one word CORNBREAD
cornbread invented da shit son

a1koolaid

03-08-2002, 04:44 AM

what about "Taki 183"?

rhettdec

03-08-2002, 05:51 AM

invented from interest in street gangs and we all know the shit is more hiphop then anything else.....

seeking

03-08-2002, 08:46 AM

by all accounts ive ever heard, taki 183 was a nobody that got lucky.

there are more writers that would NOT consider themselfs 'hip hop', than those who would say they were. every kid with a mos def record likes to think they're representing 'elements' but claiming your down and actually putting in work are far different things.

seeking/explaining it to 'em like they were six

imported_SKUMBALUCKAH

03-08-2002, 11:35 AM

Phase 2 was one of the innovators of the wildstyle. I met him a few years ago, he drinks wine and always rocks a hat with his trouser leg pulled up. A living legend fo rilla.

just dont mention the G word.

BIG T

03-08-2002, 03:17 PM

what the fuck kind of thread or question is that???? man i tell you kids today!!!! read a book or something!:king:

rhettdec

03-08-2002, 04:55 PM

ya today maybe there are more that would consider themselfs not hiphop but there are still a whole bunch that do. graff is associated with hiphop more than anything else and thats the way it should be. if it removes it self from hiphop its just more art. so fuc that. itll be just like all that other art student work itll fall into the art wasteland of monotony. a bboy character the art fags in here will say is played out but compared to all the millions of people that do stuff like they do its brand new. in my classes if i ever do something with a classic hiphop style its like shit people have never seen before and they all get quiet and just observe.

seeking

03-08-2002, 05:13 PM

you really have absolutely no idea what the face of graffiti looks like. maybe in your small circle, graffiti is all rap and blunts, but after traveling to damn near every state in the country, meeting hundreds of writers, i can assure you, the majority of people who are actually out there putting in serious work, could give two shits about representing any 'elements'. but feel free to carry on as you have been, lord knows i dont want to upset your perfect little vision of beauty.

rhettdec

03-08-2002, 06:26 PM

thanks i will carry on my vision of beauty. does the idea of elements make you mad?

a1koolaid

03-08-2002, 09:04 PM

"just a nobody that got lucky?....in all reality arn't most of us "nobodys" that put our name on walls or trains with paint, markers, stickers, or anything else we can find?..that to me is a nobody..don't get me wrong i love graff but you kinda got to face that outside of graff we are "nobodys"..not trying to talk shit just an opinion..im one of the writers that wants NO association with hip-hop

mud_buddha

03-08-2002, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by rhettdec
ya today maybe there are more that would consider themselfs not hiphop but there are still a whole bunch that do.

Just a question, how many serious writers do you know? How many have you even spoken to? How many have you seen from down the block through a pair of binoculars?

seeking

03-08-2002, 09:19 PM

to the outside world we are nobodys, but in the world of writing, there are those that make an impact, those that dont. by all acounts ive ever read/heard, taki was just your average writer who got an article written about him simply because he lived in the neighborhood where the journalist did. so, outside of getting 'lucky' he really made no substantial addition to graff.

and the idea of elements doesnt make me mad. i fully realize that graff is an integral part of hip hop, but what you have to understand, is that hip hop is not an integral part of graff. as long as there has been graffiti, there have been punk rock kids who were writing. yes, this dates back to the beginings. the only reason graff isnt associated with punk/hardcore more, is because those people felt no reason to try and 'market' this idea of an all inclusing artform, to legitamize themselfs. 'hip hop' is so concerned with labels and authenticity, that it needs to constantly be re-evaluating what it 'is,' and shoving that idea down your throat.
so again, no, im not mad about the 'elements' im annoyed by those people such as yourself, that fail to look at the world outside your safe little bio-dome of existence, yet insist on telling me what the world looks like.

seeking/game, set, match.

rhettdec

03-08-2002, 10:40 PM

people feel the need to say what hiphop is all the time because there are so many different people envolved in it with different ideas of what it is.

and your biodome idea you dont know me or what i do so dont try to elvaluate me.

game set match do your internet battles make you feel better about yourself?

oh and ya all the writers ive ever meet are hiphop kids. sorry.

ÀEL GRINGO?

03-08-2002, 11:39 PM

Fucking smart ass, anywho I brought this up earlier and everyone kept quite about phase 2. Just quit the fighting about hip hop now though cause it never really goes anywhere except circles. Hiphop is what you make of it and what you believe it is. Graffiti on the other hand is only slightly related to hip hop so please just quit the bitching and theorizing. Does anyone have any old scripts or freestyles from phase 2 copied down or anything. Anywhere I could find anything like that?? Hit me up GringoPOR@yahoo.com

--zeSto--

03-08-2002, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by seeking innocence
taki 183 was a nobody that got lucky.

It seems like everyone who got aboveground fame from the early days was lucky or set up.
I'm sure that the books (you know the ones) included some writers
and excluded others based soley on art world politics.
I read an interview with an almost unknown writer (to the art world),
who claimed that if you wern't on Henry's dick, you got no recognition.

Fame in general is a bizarre creature. It's usualy 1 part talent to 100 parts luck and timing.

----as for the elements...
The hiphop scene needs what we do to retain a connection to the roots.
We have very little connection to it other than the music we may listen to.

rhettdec

03-09-2002, 12:24 AM

well see every time i go out to paint im going out to represent hiphop. expressing that state of mind through graff. i dont think this is graff and this is hiphop its the same thing. the people that introduced me to graff were hiphop kids and we all looked at graff as part of hiphop not the other way around. maybe its different for others but for me hiphop equals graff and graff equals hiphop. and i hope your not refering to me as the smart ass i didnt turn this into a debate compoition. you can look elsewhere for that. if your refering to my first post im just talking shit about nonhiphop kids as they talk shit about me.

--zeSto--

03-09-2002, 12:29 AM

"im just talking shit about nonhiphop kids as they talk shit about me."

well then this is obviously a personal argument for you.

when I go out to paint, I represent myself and my talents, not the collective (un)consciousness of a million people who read The Source.

seeking

03-09-2002, 01:03 AM

you answered this whole thing yourself; all the kids YOU KNOW in graff, are hip hop kids. the difference between our sides, is that i have experience with hundreds of writers from all walks of life, from all corners of the country, and all backgrounds. can you say the same?

im not trying to tell you that graffiti is not an important part of hip hop, it is indeed. simply that if hip hop had never existed, graffiti would have regardless. graffiti pre-dates the first incling of 'hip hop' by a good ten years. graffiti is an 'urban' art, and in any large urban metropolis, there are a wide range of people. ever been to new york? there are just as many rock kids writing, as hip hop kids, and thats the way its always been.

lastly, im not trying to argue with you, im trying to show you the larger picture, thats all.

zesto, i wasnt talking about 'that' book, but yeah, ive heard the same thing. t

rhettdec

03-09-2002, 03:16 AM

every time some rock dude talks shit in here about hiphop i think of it as them talking shit about me. and every other hiphop enthusist on here should do the same. ya i know there are nonhiphop writers i know the picture. and stop going all the writers ive meet all around the country you sound like your trying to run for graff class president.

every time i represent hiphop im representing myself. thats what hiphop is a language to express yourself pasta. and if your like me you think of that langauge as breaking, graff, mcin and djin. inner city activities that africabambata noticed the youth were doing and called it hiphop.

at first i didnt care too much that art fags were writting graff, though i thought it was very controdicting as all the art fags i had contact with up until i came to art school did nothin but talk shit about graff. so i was like oh first there gonna talk shit about it and now there tryin to be all into it ok. but with the numerous stabs at hiphop they take on this site im starting to get aggravated and am starting to have CAP thoughts, and fuc the throwups im thinkin boom boom boom.

Smart

03-09-2002, 03:25 AM

wait... you're not calling Seeking "Mr. Big name hip hop dj" a "rock dude" are you?

Why do think all the titles of his rock related threads start with "I thought XXXXX sucked, but check it out!"

you're on crack Rhett

Smart

03-09-2002, 03:26 AM

and ANOTHER thing...

St. Augustine's got DICK! The freakin Sahara...

rhettdec

03-09-2002, 04:09 AM

i dont recall askin you a god damn thing dumb

Smart

03-09-2002, 04:22 AM

well, I remember butting in, deal with it bitch

rhettdec

03-09-2002, 04:34 AM

bring it on muther pucer

mud_buddha

03-09-2002, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by rhettdec
... im starting to get aggravated and am starting to have CAP thoughts, and fuc the throwups im thinkin boom boom boom.

lol, that's funny... dude you're going off on graffiti being strictly hip hop and then you bring up CAP... With that dude I'm thinking Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap...

and because this is just so silly I'll ask it again, how many serious writers do you know? How many writers have you met?

And for the dude asking about PHASE2, buy his book, STYLE:WRITING FROM THE UNDERGROUND. There's dozens of his outlines and pieces in there, plus plenty of VULCAN (the style messiah.) Well worth whatever it costs.

Smart

03-09-2002, 04:50 AM

start saving your money now...

seeking

03-09-2002, 06:06 AM

jesus christ... dude is now threatening to shoot 'art fags' cause they arent 'rap' enough for him. hahaha. this is much more than i can deal with.

seeking/graff class president

REGULATOR

03-09-2002, 06:08 AM

GEEZ....a phase 2 thread with no flicks?????

rhettdec

03-09-2002, 04:45 PM

naw i wasnt thinkn shoot em. i never said it was strictly hiphop and bringin up cap that doesnt have anything to do with anything except for the quote i took from him and how many graff writers have i met, what do you want me to say like 5 so you can be like ok good there isnt some pocket of hiphop people somewhere writting graff?

jesus christ... dude is now threatening to shoot 'art fags' cause they arent 'rap' enough for him. hahaha.............that shits funny

mom smart beat me up and he said save your money

blahblahblah

03-09-2002, 05:05 PM

St augustine=nothing. sorry pal

mud_buddha

03-09-2002, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by rhettdec
naw i wasnt thinkn shoot em. i never said it was strictly hiphop and bringin up cap that doesnt have anything to do with anything except for the quote i took from him and how many graff writers have i met, what do you want me to say like 5 so you can be like ok good there isnt some pocket of hiphop people somewhere writting graff?

Why am I asking? Because you sound like you've met about... well, five is a pretty good number. Yeah, you sound like you've met about five writers. Maybe ten. I have no concerns about the number of hip hop writers out there. I know a few myself. (Shit I was probably buying rap records before you were fucking born If you're sevetneen or younger I have been... I was a b-boy before you were born too.) It's just that I know a lot more writers that are into every other type of music there is and have nothing to do with hip hop at all. A fact that you seem unable to understand.

rhettdec

03-09-2002, 06:15 PM

can you read? heres a quote from my other post-"ya today maybe there are more that would consider themselfs not hiphop but there are still a whole bunch that do." and i dont just listen to hiphop but when im listen to minor threat im not thinkin, oh this relates to graff as i do when im listening to e.c. "old school tactics"

and im not even gonna try to count all the writers ive met. and im not 17.

GRAFARONI

03-09-2002, 06:18 PM

what the fuck is this thread about:confused:

rhettdec

03-09-2002, 06:18 PM

staugustine nothin pal? what the hell are you talking about? stop ridding the the fucin moderator dick.

GRAFARONI

03-09-2002, 06:22 PM

yea you tell em

dukeofyork

03-09-2002, 07:27 PM

graff is not just a part of hip hop blah blah this that and the third...
(not directed at blahblahblah)

this shit has been discussed more than grey vs sigh...and ja vs saber..

most people that i know that right listen to hip hop at least occasionally. they might not listen to it all the time, but still like it. you wont always catch me bumpin hiero........but theres a chance you might.

seeking

03-09-2002, 07:44 PM

i liked alot of the songs off the first jewell album, and alanis morissettes first album was alot better than people give it credit for.

when i listen to my jesus christ superstar soundtrack, i get pumped up to pump christ up the butt.

bug

03-09-2002, 08:15 PM

oh god, people are arguing about hip hop. it only acknowledges that hip hop does have something to do with graff. you guys just make some silly sarcastic comments and let the toys have it. its a lot funnier that way.

diggity

03-10-2002, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by blahblahblah
St augustine=nothing. sorry pal

hes got nothing up at his "ART SCHOOL" he goes to either. the internet isnt as big as you think. finish your finals and stop talking shit.

rhettdec

03-10-2002, 02:34 AM

ya ive got stuff up here around my "art school". just look around there arnt that many spots. and i never said i was up alot anyway. ya your right i got school work to do and thats were i spend my time. i dont give a fuck how big the internet is or isnt. im not the one that turned this into some kind of shit talkin compettion, but dont think im not gonna talk shit back to someone who starts talkin shit to me.

Smart

03-10-2002, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by rhettdec
every time some rock dude talks shit in here about hiphop i think of it as them talking shit about me.

with the numerous stabs at hiphop they take on this site im starting to get aggravated and am starting to have CAP thoughts, and fuc the throwups im thinkin boom boom boom.

I think you're a little too involved, but whatever...

Christ Puncher Oner

03-10-2002, 03:20 AM

yo rhettdec you listen up son cause a mafucker like me only says this shit once! yo you need to chill the fuck out for real cause you be lookin like a stupid motherfucker all up in here talking about how you finsta start shootin people you stupid fuck you a cracker ass cracka if i ever heard one sittin there waggin your fuckin chin like you man or something but yo on the real you an illigitimate step child ya heard! talkin bout how you representin HIP HOP yo you representin special ed an thats on the real! yo post ya shit mista fuckin hot britches! i am fuckin hip hop, so lemme see what you doin that represents me! ignorant ass toy! yo i used to be just like you fa real, hated all types a fools just cause they wasnt from my area ya heard but yo then i started meetin mafuckas an paintin with em an shit an yo them mafuckas is wild for real ya heard! yo a hip hop kid might do a throw up on a store front or somethin but yo a punk rock kid yo them mafuckas is like whoa nawmean?! them fools dont be givin a fuck yo theyll run up on a restaurant mafuckas in side gettin they snack on an a mafucka will be right outside the window doing chrome fills middle of the day like "yo i hope you enjoyin yo sandwhich miss, but um, i gotta handle this shit right quick but yo once i get done, i got somethin for you please believe it!" yo i aint puttin hip hop kids down cause from the heart yo thats ma shit but man yo word the fuck up most kids be fulla nothin yo! talkin all types a whylin out shit but yo when it comes down to the wire they some tremblin ass bitches talkin bout "yo fuck that man im tryin ta kick it ta oll girl an shit" fuck that shit yo! ill kick it to you like this yo you need to be little more quiet an a little less fuckin like a buzzing little bee in ma ear cause on the real yo you dumb as fuck an these cats is makin you look sucka made an then you talk about you representin hip hop? son please bring that shit to ma block an youll be representin the 5th element of hip hop GETTIN BEAT THE FUCK DOWN FOR BEIN A BUSTER! yo thats ma word an ask these mafuckas on this board yo they know a mafucka like me come with the real shit please beleive it!

CHRIST PUNCHER IN THE FUCKIN MOUTH ONER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rhettdec

03-10-2002, 04:04 AM

first i never said i was going to shoot anyone i was making a quote what exactly cap meant by boom boom boom who knows, i doubt he was planning on shooting anyone. second you can suck my cracker dick. and you think you look smart to me sticking up for the same people that turn the way your talking right now into a joke, one place being this 12oz prophet site?

Stoney Blaze

03-10-2002, 11:07 PM

Cornbread and Cool Earl were the first to go big. They wrecked Philly with some political shit back in the late 60's.
Taki got famous for constant get up's but PHASE 2 is the innovator and propagater of most letter styles influenced today. The first 'style king'.

I've been wrecking level-C since 1983, sometimes more and some times less. I was a b-boy back then but the first 2 letter throws I ever saw were by SA also known as 'Starvation Army', a local punk rock band back in the 80's. These guys lit up the lowwer West and East sides for years. I have'nt seen anything new from them in quite some time but they still got some giant shit running along the river and the redlines from 10 years ago.

PROPERS!

Smart

03-10-2002, 11:22 PM

damn, CP Oner pullin cards all over this joint, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

blahblahblah

03-11-2002, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by rhettdec
staugustine nothin pal? what the hell are you talking about? stop ridding the the fucin moderator dick.

shucks dude. maybe you're just pissed because the city banned public performers so you can't write your name for tourists. that sucks. I feel your pain. Go back to art school dork breath. Know your place and it's in the gutttttter.

and also, i never adressed this. Out of all the writers i've met before, a hand full listen to hip hop. that's not to say they all do or all don't but the fact that you think it belongs to hip hop is ridiculous. if you're not 17, you're 16 and got into college early.

end of story

rhettdec

03-11-2002, 06:47 AM

right on dork breath

nasemoner

03-11-2002, 08:47 PM

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

just look something in massappeal or check out the bronx,queens,manhattan, and brooklyn collection special addition from mass appeal and you can scan or check some heads online that collect flics....

>>>>>>>>>>nasemonerism<<<<<<<<<<

--zeSto--

03-11-2002, 09:09 PM

http://www.positivos.com/graffiti/historia...s/historia5.jpg (http://www.positivos.com/graffiti/historia/fotos/historia5.jpg)

there's phase2

BIG T

03-11-2002, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by rente

hes got nothing up at his "ART SCHOOL" he goes to either. the internet isnt as big as you think. finish your finals and stop talking shit.

I second that !!!! lol... what a small small world!

rhettdec

03-12-2002, 02:39 AM

what you got up mr t?

Firetruck

03-12-2002, 04:42 AM

bitch shut the fuck up. you got clowned. TAKE IT LIKE A CLOWN!

Hated Pigeon

03-12-2002, 09:05 AM

Phase 2 - One of the pioneers, respect.

I've met him and he's crazy deep, wears two hats as well!

1- 2, 1-2 another phase 2 sureshot....

rhettdec

03-12-2002, 02:30 PM

bitch i banged your mom in the ass and she had you

BIG T

03-12-2002, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by rhettdec
what you got up mr t?

dude if you only knew who i was.... i run your town!:D just think about it!

not tryin to be a dick or nothing...but this is just the internet nothing to get all worked up about.

rhettdec

03-12-2002, 05:16 PM

hey all i did was make alittle joke about punkrock writers and everybody started bitching like little girls. i didnt do anything different from what anyone else does on here except for change the subject being joked on.

Shame

03-12-2002, 05:49 PM

any1 who talks about taki183 starting writing knows nothing about graffiti

Stoney Blaze

03-12-2002, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Shame
any1 who talks about taki183 starting writing knows nothing about graffiti

TAKI 183 was the alias of a kid from Washington Heights. TAKI was the nick name for his given name Demetrius and 183 was the number of the street where he lived. He was employed as a foot messenger, so he was on the subway frequently and took advantage of it, doing motion tags. The appearance of this unusual name and numeral sparked public curiosity prompting the Times article. He was by no means the first writer or even the first king. He was however the first to be recognized outside the newly formed subculture. Most widely credited as being one of the first writers of significance is JULIO 204. FRANK 207 and JOE 136 were also early writers.