blackbook question (not flix)

[SilpherGirl]

sorry for posting on the other thread. i just wanna know which blackbook u guys think are the best kind (or the one u use)? do u recommend hardbound ones or wirebound or refillables? i wanna know the upsides and downsides of the different kinds... where are some places i can buy them cheaper other than michaels? thx guys.

[Stoney Blaze]

any art supply store or book store should have 'em. $10 and up

[teister]

Spiral bound. hard bound leave too much of the paper unaccessible because of the fold. You got to get spiral cause it opens up and stays flat. Plus you can take pages out without having to destroy the whole book.

[dremster]

duuuh...its a black book, buy what you like....don't be a follower bro.

[imported_CaffeineAddict]

As long as its paper who gives a fuck?

[--zeSto--]

just get something durable... you'll be keeping some very precious stuff inside.

personally... hard cover, spiral bound, medium size, black cover... white Apple logo sticker on front.

just as a note... while you're still learning the basics.. get a huge black book
and fill every since inch of blank paper space. Dont erase, just start fresh. Like speed chess...

[lubeyoursox]

what you do is get one of the smaller blackbooks, take the scanner sticker off it and put it on the big......get it for like 3 buckets..... this works best in like book store and nonart stores.......thats only if you don't wanna rack them also.............................................. ........

[imported_soopafeen]

the Classic blackbooks are by far the best ever made.

[SilpherGirl]

i'm quite surprised by how many of u said u prefer wire bound ones! becos so far 90% of all the blackbook flix i've seen on the net are hard bound ones.... just went to michaels today, they only carry strathmore and canson blackbooks. the strathmore ones are much thinner tho... only 60 lbs paper thickness. will the markers bleed thru? cos the cansons are 80 lbs but they're much more expensive..

[-sudz-]

who cares, if you think it'll bleed, throw an extra sheet of scrap paper under your sketch, so it bleeds onto that page, and not the next page in your book.

[CountRockula]

fuck a pretty ass black book. i rock a mead sketch diary. who gives a fuck about what it looks like, worry about your sketches or whatever.

[-sudz-]

o yeah, also, i prefer the hardcovers, the (first and ) last spiral bound i got bent and the covers came off and the pages came out, it was not fun.

[imported_Comp]

i get mine at keeny's office supply because i like smooth paper instead of really rough "drawing paper" so that's my story. it's technically not a blackbook, just a notebook thing. it's hardbound.

[imported_crso]

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canson hardbound sketch books are the best. i don't like the wire bound ones, the corners bend pretty easy.

[--zeSto--]

this is why I like the ring bound books...

You can easily remove the pages!
Without messing with the spine or messing the opposite page.
It's usefull if you take a sketch with you while painting, or give it away,
or what ever you want to do with it.

[BdMiK]

Montana Blackbooks are the best!!!

[cry81]

i rock in the canson books...markers will bleed thru anything if they are juicy so just use a bleed sheet...and i prefer the unspiraled books because although the crease makes it difficult at first...once you get the hang of it its much better because spirals separate in the middle and if you plan on doing a two pager like i love doing...well the unspiraled books do not separate...so in my opinion i would go with the canson unspiraled medium black book:D

[HOST18 DYM]

Originally posted by crso
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canson hardbound sketch books are the best. i don't like the wire bound ones, the corners bend pretty easy.

Crso is right. These are the Best and are the books that most writers use. Spiral bound books suck in my opinion, the pages can easily be ripped out partially or completely by accident. If you need to remove a page from a hardbound book then you grab a razor blade (Has everyone forgotten that these exist?). If you concerned about bleeding, then use a piece of scrap paper as a bleeder page just as most of the people here suggested. Check out the training Bible thread, now thats the good stuff!
I must be really bored.

[SilpherGirl]

Originally posted by BdMiK
Montana Blackbooks are the best!!!
thx guys for ur replies. ..but wat does a montana blackbook look like? never seen them

[TrustUGN]

if you have a Waldon Books near you... they have some pretty good sketchbooks there. thats where i get mine. plus, if your all about having a pretty book.. they have multicolors. mine is currently true blue. in case you were wondering...

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[ASER1NE]

YO GIRL , it doesnt even matter , at all . go to fuckin wal mart , seriously , and buy a medium sized one thats like 10 bucks . it will work absolutely fine . serious . especially for someone whose just starting out . you can fill it up quick with whatever and not worry about putting only quality work in a $60 book .

[d-town_bomber]

i say a bunch of computer paper stapled together. or a folder with sketches in it

[swif1]

Originally posted by d-town_bomber
i say a bunch of computer paper stapled together. or a folder with sketches in it
:idea:

[SilpherGirl]

Originally posted by TrustUGN
if you have a Waldon Books near you... they have some pretty good sketchbooks there. thats where i get mine. plus, if your all about having a pretty book.. they have multicolors. mine is currently true blue. in case you were wondering...

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whoa that's a dope looking sketch book~! stickers... mmm.... no waldon books around me tho.......................... man........ :mad: the michaels in my area is weird.. they got canson blackbooks in the big size and the tiny size. but they dun stock no fucking medium size!!! and i got 50% off coupon and it's a waste now i thought they'd have medium sized ones and i'd get half off discount...~ they dun really have anything in the michaels near me~ o well..

[imported_crso]

go with the big size . because they are not much bigger than the 8.5 or 9 by 11. plus you can do your whole piece with out going to the edges.

[imported_roler one tm7]

i usually get my son`s black books from pearl paint in nyc, he goes thru them like water (pokemon phreak and draws them like web one kaos does outlines...fast)...they`re the cachet brand 1.800.322.2438, i use the same ones also, really good paper absorb the colors nicely and your artwork should last about 5 - 20 years with minumum fading, depending on what medium u use and it does matter what you use, i stay at the 8.5 x 11 joint cause they don`t drain your markers as much and allow you to move around the page quicker for easier fading, if your goin to the wall get a wire bound joint for outside activity, like it was said b4 you can fold it back and do your thang...but that cover will desinergrate(don`t know if i spelt that correctly) but use that for ur outside book, your indoor bible should be hardbound, tho they are a bitch to work but with a lil imagination you can conquer that, i use the giant black clamps for holding the book open, but if i`m doing a spread i`ll get an oversize piece of paper with 2 sided tape to protect the paper from over spray of the airbrush....take this into account my second blackbook(really wack in my eyes) and third(evolution into style) completely filled were sold to private investors for $3,000, web one kaos whos done complete COVER TO COVER 12 books over his 20 odd years career sold his books for a hefty amount to a private investor, tkid had cats from germany sending books to do at $1,000 to $5,000 a pop, so yes it does matter because if your work is just starting in about 5 years who knows where this artform is goin and who knows whom may make you an offer you can`t refuse because there are people who love this art form but only want to collect....my bad for the endless chatter...roler one tm7

[SCOTCH WHISKEO]

YUP, it truly DOES matter. I make sure that my books have "Archival"(or "acid-free") paper. I have seen many good books yellow and deteriorate over the years, and if your stuff ever becomes collectable like Big Roler's has, acidic pages or tape on them will seriously devalue your work. The first writer I heard talk about longevity of acid-free paper was Dondi (R.I.P.), whose works on paper are now highly collectable. Dude was on TOP of his game and ahead of his time.

[mud_buddha]

Originally posted by crso
go with the big size . because they are not much bigger than the 8.5 or 9 by 11. plus you can do your whole piece with out going to the edges.

yeah, but this one goes up to 11.

? As the Cantonese say: mo lai to- "makes no sense." you can do your whole piece on a passenger train, a handball court, 8.5x11 paper, 4x5 notecard (shit look at the watercolors Frank Frazetta did on notecards) or the back of a matchbook if you just scale it to fit.

[learn]

i dunno about u but i like using thick ass papers... some prefer thinner paper so the markers can soak thru the page and look better than a thick one which doesn't allow the marker to soak thru. stick with canson they're great paper. i have a hardbound canson 80 lbs. (hard decision over wire bound) and i still find then a bit thin for marker work. but still it works great. so i can't imagine how much 60 lbs bleeds..... :mad: and i dun think that any other blackbooks go up more than 80 lbs i've seen... (or do they?). and another thing is i dun like free doodling in my blackbook that's a waste of paper (yes i'm cheap haha) and it makes ur book look bad if the doodle is ugly...

PS. after how many years of writing did u guys start sketching in a blackbook?

[hbg]

Originally posted by SilpherGirl
sorry for posting on the other thread. i just wanna know which blackbook u guys think are the best kind (or the one u use)? do u recommend hardbound ones or wirebound or refillables? i wanna know the upsides and downsides of the different kinds... where are some places i can buy them cheaper other than michaels? thx guys.

BUY? just rack some

[secn]

Ok for me i have two types of books i use like roler mentioned.I use hardbounds for my more detailed work.And then i use sprial bound for the pieces that im going to paint, so this book gets more abuse.When i first started writing i just used spirals as a sort of book and used those to practice, and i mean practice alot.It seriously was about a year or two till i started rocking a hardbound.

[your all gay]

Originally posted by SilpherGirl
sorry for posting on the other thread. i just wanna know which blackbook u guys think are the best kind (or the one u use)? do u recommend hardbound ones or wirebound or refillables? i wanna know the upsides and downsides of the different kinds... where are some places i can buy them cheaper other than michaels? thx guys.
WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKK!?!?!?!? its a fucking book. You want to know the downsides and shit?!!? What the fuck is wrong with you?! look your god damn self you fucking cop

[learn]

Originally posted by your all gay

WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKK!?!?!?!? its a fucking book. You want to know the downsides and shit?!!? What the fuck is wrong with you?! look your god damn self you fucking cop
C-H-I-L-L

[imported_roler one tm7]

yo SilpherGirl, this is a good thread, and i wish i had this kinda advice when i was comin up, also you should have at least three types of books, one for strickly your burners(ur bible), one you pass around and let it be known whether you want taggin in it and one for walls...hold it down and keep practicing...one

[lon one tm7]

Originally posted by SilpherGirl
i'm quite surprised by how many of u said u prefer wire bound ones! becos so far 90% of all the blackbook flix i've seen on the net are hard bound ones.... just went to michaels today, they only carry strathmore and canson blackbooks. the strathmore ones are much thinner tho... only 60 lbs paper thickness. will the markers bleed thru? cos the cansons are 80 lbs but they're much more expensive.. trust me, the wire bound is gay. u'll just end up losing a shitload of sheets. get u a medium sized book to start out with. i'm working out of 3 medium books as we speak. the large is cool. more space.....hence more markers to buy. but u can do some huge work in those large ones. hope this was helpful. lonsta tm7

[swif1]

i bought a sketchbook :o

nope, it isn;t black, it's green :beat:

and the quality is shite.

oh well.

i'm startin up so it doesn't matter what kind of book i get...:)

[Get Stoopid!]

Don't spend lots of munney hunney cos they get oh so dirty in mud and stuff
the margins of my school notebooks seem enuf
I'm buff and I never huff paint only billy goat gruff.:idea: :idea: :idea:

[lon one tm7]

yeah roler has good tips and heed to them wisely. if u are a slob like me, ur black book will eventually look like ass with bindings coming apart, overspray, spilt beer, and maybe some ALBERT TACO'S . out of 4 books i have, only like 2 are salvageable. i destroy everything i touch so that's how it is. as for outside books. yeah right. i'll put an outline on anything, sometimes a napkin from Dennys . that way i don't do even more damage to the stuff i've done in the books. so my advice is keep ur books away from walls. u never know what could happen. just some quick info from the barracks. lonsta tm7

[imported_mad ink]

Originally posted by CaffeineAddict
As long as its paper who gives a fuck?

word!

[Stoney Blaze]

Once again,
Hard bound with (acid free) archival paper will last a hundred years and wont stain (unless you're a slob). it's not expensive and wire spirals get all jacked up from being put in and out of napsaks.

I guess if you're still a toy, it does'nt matter what you get. If you're gonna spend a hunk of change ($15) on a nice blackbook your shit should look good enough to want to protect.

Don't get me wrong, I know some skilled writers who sketch ill shit on anything while steady talkin' about: "I should've sketched this in my blackbook yo".

Who cares if you got an inch of unaccessable paper on a hardbound. Is it the hard bound or is it lack of handskills?
There are two reasons for ripping out pages.
1) you fucked up.
2) you're trading, selling or giving a page away.

Use a straight edge. You're gonna need one anyway if you want to get rid of the perferated leaves left by taring off a page from a spiral bound.

If paper is paper, then you kids can use some 'charmen'. A Blackbook is a smart thing to have. It's a portfolio. It's got better presentation and it protects your shit.

I got a 15 year old 'Strathmore' (acid free) that has outlasted most of my newer peice books.
Who gives a fuck what any of us write on? Give a fuck what you want to write on.

[--zeSto--]

my book ...


who's the mack?
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[Stoney Blaze]

See what I'm sayin' about the perferated leaves? pages all hangin' out and gettin' bent up.

[--zeSto--]

that's because I tore them out!

then they become ink stoppers.

You know when you do a page, then look back and think "whoa ... bad idea".

Then you tear it out.

feels good too!

[mizx]

shoulda posted this in the yard

[catwash]

I cant believe there's 2 pages worth of what blackbook to buy.... is it really that fucking difficult to do? I'll sketch on bog paper if it comes to it

[zen]

yeah alot of people mentioned not to bring your books to walls with you. this is true. DO NOT BRING YOUR BOOK PAINTING WITH YOU. for one, when i paint, i like to paint and step back a little usually onto my book. the amount of pages, ive seen with foot prints on them brings tears to my eyes. secondly is the over spray. you may not even realise how my over spray there is when you paint unless you leave a pristeen white sheet of paper on the floor when your painting. Another reason why you should not take your book for walkies is that if you suddenly have to dash off then your short one black book full of six months of hard work.

DO NOT TAKE YOUR BLACK BOOK PAINTING.

bye now.

[ANOIE]

THE BEST BOOK IS A PACK OF EZ WIDER TAKE ALL THE SHEETS OUT AND STAPLE THEM TOGETHER THAT WAY YOU DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FILLING THE WHOLE PAGE....
NO SERIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE GAME FOR A WHILE JUST BUY A SKETCH BOOK WHEN YOU THINK YOU GOT YOUR SHIT DOWN PACKED STEP UP A NOTCH AND BUY YOU A SPIFFY HARDBOUND BLACK BOOK..
THATS WHAT ALL THE BIG DAWGS ROCK IF YOU DONT BELEIVE ME PEEP ALL THE GRAFF FLICKS ME PERSONALLY I RATHER EZ WIDER SHEETS NOTHING BETTER THAN SMOKING A JOINT WOTH YOUR THROW UP ON IT ITS LIKE SMOKING A CUBAN
JUST KIDDING !
:king: ANOIE

[MOE FUNK]

:dazed:

[SerOneADC]

word to crackatinnie...i used to bring my book to the wall or wherever to paint...untill i got spotted and had to run off...that sucked cause it was a dope book with alotta work in it...now i'll copy the peice i wanna do onto notebook paper and bring that to go paint.

[swif1]

question:

when all of you use prisma markers in your book, does it bleed like a bia ?

i usually place a sheet of paper(s) underneath

i was just wondering if it bleeds like a bitch for you guys too.

so far, it bleeds on my canson and some cheapo sketch book.

oh well...fuck it.

don't read this post.

[Stoney Blaze]

They bleed when new.
Measure the bleed by eye so you can judge where to color, so as not to bleed pass your outlines.
Use the bleed to your advantage. You can get lot's of ill colorblends and effects.

[swif1]

thanx

[SalinasValley_831]

hmm no one has posted in this thread since 2002 ha

[kenny001]

many people think that the Classic blackbooks are the best, i am not sure, but you can get it for your try.