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imported_sixteenvandals
04-06-2002, 02:44 AM
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a fraction of the action.
rolldafukout
04-06-2002, 02:53 AM
whats with the big black dots? that must be cool
imported_sixteenvandals
04-06-2002, 02:55 AM
these pieces are still hot on the charts. no way there are getting spread on the net yet.
16v.
rolldafukout
04-06-2002, 02:58 AM
haha you for real? W O W
Beast
04-06-2002, 03:16 AM
yummy...those are some bright ass colors.
emothug
04-06-2002, 03:29 AM
those are cool man.
mike tyson
04-06-2002, 03:31 AM
why the fuck are you trying to censor this shit?
quit trying to hype up your played out drippy pieces and go back to modelling for faggot magazines.
you ain't sick grey. you ain't sick.
niseNSF
04-06-2002, 03:31 AM
seriously, the best post ever.
imported_SenorSeven
04-06-2002, 03:34 AM
i was thinking the same thing...
very little grey shit i actually think looks good.
but we all have our taste i guess.
imported_sixteenvandals
04-06-2002, 03:50 AM
oh please dont dis the drips.
boo hoo
you no named fucks.
imported_SenorSeven
04-06-2002, 03:54 AM
take offense a little to easy dont ya there big guy?
i made a comment on a post and you get upset cause i say i dont care for the style as well as someone else...
for one who likes to hand out criticism, you take it like a girl scout.
imported_bear
04-06-2002, 04:07 AM
i like that stuff a lot
but why post if we can't really see it?
either way, i like grey's shit a lot so. . .
fr8oholic
04-06-2002, 04:11 AM
nice stuff slugger.
imported_sixteenvandals
04-06-2002, 04:14 AM
i was talking to mike tyson about the drips you fucker senior seven.....
imported_SenorSeven
04-06-2002, 04:17 AM
you still take it like a girlscout fucker sixteenvandals
monkeybutter
04-06-2002, 04:19 AM
THAT WOULD BE NICE EXCEPT FOR THE BIG BLACK DOTS.....JERRY SPRINGER SHOWS MORE THAN THAT
imported_TED NUGENT
04-06-2002, 04:28 AM
grey is pretty good for a dude that should be scooting around on a little vespa.
T.T Boy
04-06-2002, 04:33 AM
pure hotness.
nice colours, looks like some dope stuff, i wish i could see them all.
yay for passenger trains.
nice hair too, better hope you dont get a boner in those pants, it could be embarassing.
i dont suppose you want to divulge the country those were done in?
Merdle
04-06-2002, 04:45 AM
from what I can see it looks good. Those dots are just gay, I mean if you don't want em to surface on the net "yet" then don't put em on the net yet...Its good to know yer still puttin in work though man I love yer shit!!
imported_cornhustlah
04-06-2002, 04:47 AM
is this a joke? what the fuck is the point of this?
mike tyson
04-06-2002, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
oh please dont dis the drips.
boo hoo
you no named fucks.
not just dissing the drips you pussy. your style is played more than a 4th hand nintendo rocking punchout.
what you gotta go all the way to europe to rock clean trains? where's the bart pieces? where's the amtrak pieces? are you too much of a festering fuckhole that you have to "cross the pond" to get up on some clean shit?
[img]http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/miketyson/tyson.gif'>
plain and simple. you're a bitch.
georgepataki
04-06-2002, 05:59 AM
yeah those big black dots are pretty wack, can't really see any of the piece im not going to comment on the painting
The BLACK Y
04-06-2002, 06:11 AM
??????do you want to show us the pics or not?????????
crack
04-06-2002, 06:13 AM
lol ted nugent,,,,,,,,,,,,,funny,,,,yeah what is up with the black dots,,(you like the bad brains?),,,but your answer was something like you dont wanna let it out on the net yet...lmao........CNOTE ,NY
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This piece looks very religious. That lime green train is hottt.
I like those pants. I have some that look very similar.
crack
04-06-2002, 06:16 AM
oh yeah........you spent$$$$$$$$ alot on those colors huh?
asoka
04-06-2002, 07:04 AM
you posted pictures but blacked them out because you dont want us to see them?
faaaaaammmmmmmmmmeeeeeee wwwwwwhhooooooooorrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee.
sssssssssssstttttttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmpppp liiiiiiiiiiiiiicccccccckkkkkeeeerrr
dddddddrrrrriiiiiiiipppppppyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy pppaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiinnnnttttteeeeeeerrrrrrr
bbbbbbbbaaaaaaaadddddddd dddddddrrrreeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssseeeeeerrrrr
gggggggggggaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy wwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddddd
40 oz king
04-06-2002, 07:35 AM
grey is the fuckin man ..... i love that guys haircut
dope shit forreal
r....
beardo
04-06-2002, 07:43 AM
boy are the haters out in full force on this one. keep rocking dude.
blahblahblah
04-06-2002, 08:32 AM
someone actually used "bad dresser" as a diss? get outta high school dipshit.
good stuff.
colt45oe800
04-06-2002, 08:52 AM
haters
haters
haters
haters
props to grey for doing his thing while we sit behind out computers and talk it on up
IHATEU
04-06-2002, 09:20 AM
yo 16v tell dem niggaz that dem dots are infact the bullet holes left buy the hunting rifles the guards carry when your ROCKING REAL TRANSIT....keep jocking you jelous no names....
but man dont even give em shit to talk about...
ASER1NE
04-06-2002, 09:23 AM
i dont like that euro messy stuff anyhow ..........
Secret
04-06-2002, 10:43 AM
This thread is funny. People talk about how they don't like the "style" and 2 months later you see everyone and their mom doing it. Writers are so contradictory...
Fat cap outlines. WORD.
imported_sixteenvandals
04-06-2002, 12:12 PM
heres the scoop you punks...
1. i never sent flicks to ANY mag in the 12 years i have been writing unless the person who does the mag ASKED ME for flicks personally. in total i have sent about 5 letters with flicks to mags ever. you know what i do. i don't send my flicks, i send myself.
2. i blacked out the shit because i want my friends to see the stuff before other people do. plus i dont particularly want people latching on to my style before i really claimed it. i liked it back when flicks meant something.
3. i put the shit on here just to justify my blatant opinions on here.
imported_IVO AKM KILLERZ
04-06-2002, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
heres the scoop you punks...
1. i never sent flicks to ANY mag in the 12 years i have been writing unless the person who does the mag ASKED ME for flicks personally. in total i have sent about 5 letters with flicks to mags ever. you know what i do. i don't send my flicks, i send myself.
2. i blacked out the shit because i want my friends to see the stuff before other people do. plus i dont particularly want people latching on to my style before i really claimed it. i liked it back when flicks meant something.
3. i put the shit on here just to justify my blatant opinions on here.
OK 16! GOOD GOOD SHIT!!!! FUK THESE CUNTS DISSING YOU FOR PUTTING UP DOTS ON YOUR PIECES,I KNOW WHERE YOUR COMING FROM....YOU GOT TO REMEMBER 95% OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ARE JUST TOYS WHO ARE OUT TO DISS EVERYBODY,LOOK AT HOW MUCH I GET DISSED BUT I DONT CARE,HEAPS OF PEOPLE GIVE ME PROPS AS WELL....ANYWAY KEEP BOMBING,SEND ME A EMAIL SOON IF YOU CAN,I'VE LOST YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS I HOPE YOU TILL HAVE MINE..PEACE 5000......................
GREY IS A DOPE WRITER WHO PUTS IN ALOT OF WORK, GIVE HIM CREDIT
DITDxCULT
04-06-2002, 03:33 PM
How many haters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Ted Wakowski
04-06-2002, 04:23 PM
Yo the pieces are testifying and don't want their identity revealed. Censorship is un-American!
I'm just fuckin around.They look pretty cool from what I can see. I think a different colored cloud might have looked better with the overall color scheme on the first one but I guess that would be kinda predictable too.
The street fill is the hottest flik!
imported_Jewish Task Force
04-06-2002, 04:56 PM
Hey you bastards, stop hating and get out and paint, GREY is doing shit on the regular and you bitches dont do shit.
Mike Tyson, shut up or post your own shit, until then, shut the fuck up.
16, email me the uncensored version, punk.
imported_Europe
04-06-2002, 05:21 PM
Bring a smile to my face, both the pieces and the delivery...
Keep it up.
niseNSF
04-06-2002, 06:01 PM
ill say it again, this is the best post ever, on so many levels. 16v, if you get a chance send trasher a copy of at least the fillin....that shit is blaaaaazing!
CROW RA
04-07-2002, 01:36 AM
OH MAN HOT!!! COLORS!!!!!!!!
T.T Boy
04-07-2002, 03:21 AM
ive always liked his stuff.
why would i hate on this?
shit is dope.
The unFAMOUS
04-07-2002, 05:53 AM
Love'n da colors
Driftin Mind
04-07-2002, 06:06 AM
I am crying from reading this post...There was a point in graf when each writer had his own fucking style and was praised for it. Times have changed however and conformity has swept through. Grey's style is amazing, and he expresses himself in it. Haters look at it and think its outdated because you can read it: all the cool dope real writers know that if you can read a piece then it sucks, oh ya. Grey has been rocking shit for years, and he paved the way for alot of great graf. Writers of today need to get schooled (me too). It seems as if all the new writers are flocking to the 3d and perspective styles, and completely overlook all of the other more contemperary of styles. There are so many writers today who want to fit in so they go straight to the new cool loomit and daim type shit. Oh ya, so cool. If you want to be good like a grey, then you have to evolve and that takes practice. You cant skip a step, for if you do you will suck. If you cant rock a simple with style like a grey, then you suck. If your style looks like everyone elses sytle then you suck. All the people that hated in this post ask yourself if your graf has evolved, and if it is your own style (do people look up to you???). Because if you say yes to those questions, then you will have mad respect for grey and come back on this forum and say your sorry.
If you think I am preaching bullshit...I'm not, just speaking the truth
Christ Puncher Oner
04-07-2002, 06:49 AM
yo why you cryin dog? yo you soundin like a lil ho please believe it! actin like you be knowin some shit about some shit when on the low you dont know shit about shit word the fuck up! yo if a mafucka got some shit to say an that mafucka says that shit then what nawmean!!
CHRIST PUNCHA THEN TOSS YA IN A DUMPSTA ONEA
fr8oholic
04-07-2002, 07:47 AM
all this chatter is wack.
diggity
04-07-2002, 07:48 AM
for some reason, i knew there would be drama in this thread before i clicked it. good graffiti. complain cause you cant see the whole picture, but atleast you got a glimpse.
BRISKE
04-07-2002, 07:57 AM
what'd i miss?
imported_SenorSeven
04-07-2002, 12:31 PM
you guys act like no one can say they dont like something - in other threads no one gets "upset" because so and so doesnt like so and so's work, but when someone doesnt like the almighty grey, you are like "haters haters haters" shut the fuck up. its opinion. if i dont like something it doesnt make me a hater....idiots. if i dont like a style, i dont like it, i dont need some 15 year old on here "preaching bullshit" as he said he wasnt-
imported_sixteenvandals
04-07-2002, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by SenorSeven
you guys act like no one can say they dont like something - in other threads no one gets "upset" because so and so doesnt like so and so's work, but when someone doesnt like the almighty grey, you are like "haters haters haters" shut the fuck up. its opinion. if i dont like something it doesnt make me a hater....idiots. if i dont like a style, i dont like it, i dont need some 15 year old on here "preaching bullshit" as he said he wasnt-
hey senior seven... you act like people are reacting solely on YOUR comment, the fact is, people were blatantly dissing everything about grey without ANY solid criticism at all. (with the acception of the guy who FALSELY claimed Grey hasn't painted U.S. transit)
AllTheKingsMen
04-07-2002, 01:04 PM
never trust a dude who looks prettier than your sister.
Obiously, i think grey just busted out with some wack shit just to see if people will bite it, because so many writers do bite his style.
Secret
04-07-2002, 07:08 PM
I don't care if people don't like Grey's shit, but I do think it's funny how people keep coming back to this thread to repeat themselves over and over again. Seriously, what do you have to prove?
L.RonHubbard
04-07-2002, 07:13 PM
the graffiti is all playerlistic, and so is the new J Crew line that fool is sporting!!
Driftin Mind
04-08-2002, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Christ Puncher Oner
yo why you cryin dog? yo you soundin like a lil ho please believe it! actin like you be knowin some shit about some shit when on the low you dont know shit about shit word the fuck up! yo if a mafucka got some shit to say an that mafucka says that shit then what nawmean!!
I dont understand what the fuck you are saying...And by the way, you sound tough and mean but you also sound like a illiterate horses ass...But what do I know, you'd probably beat me up
Aroe*ones
04-08-2002, 02:29 AM
Deeeelishhhh...good enyff to eat. All u bitter cats r hilarious.Why is it you all love to hate so much? Is it because you'll never put in work except in your moms backyard?
Or the fact that you all will never hit a clean train? Or is just because this board is the only way u have to participate in graff?Poor kids. Grey puts in more time bombing then y'all do drooling mindless ignorant chatter on here..and thats alot of time.
Bump 4 the GREY boy Allstar
L.RonHubbard
04-08-2002, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by Christ Puncher Oner
yo why you cryin dog? yo you soundin like a lil ho please believe it! actin like you be knowin some shit about some shit when on the low you dont know shit about shit word the fuck up! yo if a mafucka got some shit to say an that mafucka says that shit then what nawmean!!
CHRIST PUNCHA THEN TOSS YA IN A DUMPSTA ONEA
yea. you sound white and mostly gay- "nawmean!!"
evidence
04-08-2002, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by AllTheKingsMen
never trust a dude who looks prettier than your sister. dude, its true, grey is so hot.
catwash
04-08-2002, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by ASER1NE
i dont like that euro messy stuff anyhow ..........
hahahahahah you fucking dumbass
niseNSF
04-08-2002, 11:05 AM
its seriously unbelievable the haters on here. its pretty clear: dude has some pretty harsh comments/criticism, and tons of retarded 15 year olds bicker about whether he has the rep to justify such opinions. i myself have had to try to stick up for some of those opinions, and gotten frustrated by people not knowing the deal (this was demonstrated most recently when one or two youngbuck SF toys tried telling me that all philly hands suck) so, the dude is backing up his talk with his walk. case closed.
as for the dots, my only complaint is that i didnt think of it first. on so many levels, its a fresh fucking idea. sort of like the way grey will use a different outline color for a small part of a letter, the guy is always innovating and is ten steps ahead. in fact, as someone who thinks the internet is what contributes to the insanity of todays toys (philly hands suck!) id much rather see the flicks like this....enough for me to know he did it, but not enough for cats to boost straight up. plus its hilarious. best post ever, for the third (and hopefully final) time.
bumdigger
04-08-2002, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Christ Puncher Oner
yo why you cryin dog? yo you soundin like a lil ho please believe it! actin like you be knowin some shit about some shit when on the low you dont know shit about shit word the fuck up! yo if a mafucka got some shit to say an that mafucka says that shit then what nawmean!!
CHRIST PUNCHA THEN TOSS YA IN A DUMPSTA ONEA
i bet your a ugly motha
SteelUnion25
04-08-2002, 04:02 PM
Its awesome how Cheerleader always manages to mention philly or his friends/crew in any thread. Sans-sarcasim.
chester copperpot
04-08-2002, 04:58 PM
why bother posting the pictures on the internet if you're going to censor them? thats just a blatant "im too cool for all of you". thats fucking gay. you're gay. you're a seasoned veteran when it comes to internet self-promotion, dont front, when you stop writing aol's going to hang your jersey up above the nose-bleed seats.
Dusty Lipschitz
04-08-2002, 05:39 PM
grey-
nice work
doods rep speaks for itself
like or dislike his letters, the man is putting in work
all over the globe
**getting up on my soapbox**
i wonder sometimes why people come to 12oz. i came to pick up a few tricks, learn alot, see some flix and meet some good people. all of which i have done. i cant figure out why people incessantly try and tear apart other people who are obviously doing their own thing, making their own way, down. i attribute most of it to age/lack of maturity. man, if people just paid attention to themselves and what they are doing, the graf world would be a much farther, progressed place. alas, whats a guy to do? take it with a grain of salt, and keep it moving. doing what makes him happy.
thanks
**getting knocked off mt soapbox...**
cmeup
04-08-2002, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Secret
This thread is funny. People talk about how they don't like the "style" and 2 months later you see everyone and their mom doing it. Writers are so contradictory...
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Ted Wakowski
04-08-2002, 06:13 PM
**getting up on my soapbox**
I first came to twelve ounce as a young girl, ripe with noble intentions and a small set of breasts. Then my breasts grew and I started noticing things ... changes. My voice became deeper and my appreciation of men's clothing evolved considerably. It was then that I realized the only way to satisfy myself, my priest, and my uncle Eugene was to have a penis surgically attached to my existing genital organ. I guess the rest is history. I'd like to thank the academy, my agent Ted, and all those who've supported me.
**getting knocked off my soapbox**
LarryKing
04-08-2002, 06:16 PM
....
and now you choke
04-08-2002, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by chester copperpot
why bother posting the pictures on the internet if you're going to censor them? thats just a blatant "im too cool for all of you". thats fucking gay. you're gay. you're a seasoned veteran when it comes to internet self-promotion, dont front, when you stop writing aol's going to hang your jersey up above the nose-bleed seats.
wow.
The BLACK Y
04-08-2002, 06:33 PM
this is bullshit,,,if any other no name kid from god knows where posted some pics of their work that was half covered by black dots of his own doing ,the verbal lashing would never end.....did you guys forget he CENSORED HIS OWN PICS??????????
L.RonHubbard
04-08-2002, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by The BLACK Y
this is bullshit,,,if any other no name kid from god knows where posted some pics of their work that was half covered by black dots of his own doing ,the verbal lashing would never end.....did you guys forget he CENSORED HIS OWN PICS??????????
True, but he aint any other no name kid. And by the way a no name kid would never do that because he would not be at the stage yet where it would be appropriate to do that.
INDEPENDENZA
04-08-2002, 07:04 PM
is this american clean trains?
is this the same as gorey fmk?
bigguy
04-08-2002, 07:06 PM
Hot hot.
Nice pannels.
Umpa Loompa
04-08-2002, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Aroe*ones
Deeeelishhhh...good enyff to eat. All u bitter cats r hilarious.Why is it you all love to hate so much? Is it because you'll never put in work except in your moms backyard?
Or the fact that you all will never hit a clean train? Or is just because this board is the only way u have to participate in graff?Poor kids. Grey puts in more time bombing then y'all do drooling mindless ignorant chatter on here..and thats alot of time.
Bump 4 the GREY boy Allstar
^^^^
mike tyson
04-08-2002, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by L.RonHubbard
True, but he aint any other no name kid. And by the way a no name kid would never do that because he would not be at the stage yet where it would be appropriate to do that.
do you have your own custom built chrome swing hanging from grey's nutsack? do you polish it every day to a shine so you can see the reflection of his asshair as you swing to and fro?
it's never appropriate to do wack graffiti, and most definitely never appropriate to post it on 12oz with black dots over it to hide how completely gay it is.
weak shit like that is just an invitation for hate. grey quit screaming "hey look at me, i want attention" then crying when you get it.
now one of you fanboys go ahead and respond about how jealous i am because i don't have pull like grey. i need a good laugh. come on....i'm waiting.
Good Morning Captain
04-08-2002, 08:16 PM
Same as it ever was. Someone hates and then everyone starts pissing and moaning about not hating, and getting along. Its tired already! Wake the fuck up from this pathetic dream of a "utopian graffiti scene" where everyone gets along and we ban together to fight back against those who fight against us. Long live the hate!
Nice trains BTW.
suckafree
04-08-2002, 08:23 PM
looks good from here
The BLACK Y
04-08-2002, 08:24 PM
how can anyone hate on the style when you can even SEE IT!!!
i thought this was a visual art form,,,,
suckafree
04-08-2002, 08:25 PM
mike tyson it looks like you spent a lot of time on that little nintendo graphic.... get off his nuts
TenSent
04-08-2002, 08:32 PM
that shit is hot fa rizeal you chumps...
fiberoptical
04-08-2002, 08:49 PM
jerry!...jerry!...JERRY!!!!
the price of stamps is going up again.
mike tyson
04-08-2002, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by suckafree
mike tyson it looks like you spent a lot of time on that little nintendo graphic.... get off his nuts
anyone proficient in photoshop could do the same in about 20 seconds jackass.
man that shit is weak. if u dont want to show the pics dont put the bitches on tha net u fag. looks like u used sum faggy ass colors neways.
randy moss
04-08-2002, 10:09 PM
Writers really bite that? I'm not gonna comment on the censorship, but I can see enough of it to wonder why anyone would try to draw those garbage ass letters. He got up, great, but that's like someone actually biting PJAYs letters. C'mon, gettin up is one thing, but if you're gonna steal letters, steal DONDI's, or someone who has skills, and style.
niseNSF
04-08-2002, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Business Man
Its awesome how Cheerleader always manages to mention philly or his friends/crew in any thread. Sans-sarcasim.
yeah, well unlike all of the people who are inself-denial, i know a lot of the point of this board is everyone repping their shit. i do it 95% by talking about my views and shit, repping bombing and handstyles etc....but i also dont come on here trying to pretend and talk all kinds of shit without letting it be known who it is saying it. i cant stand writers that talk a big game on here, yet never cop to who they are. i feel like i make it pretty clear who i am and who i roll with so people that are down with or people that hate me (like you) at least know im standing by my words. you amy hate me, but at least when im talking opinions or talking shit you know who the fuck is saying it. and further more, for the other 5% of my purpose, im proud of my posse, and i dont make any denials of the fact that i try and big them up at any chance. hate if you want, im not looking for friends on the internet, bro.
Umpa Loompa
04-08-2002, 11:11 PM
grey is the shit..period.
FreeDaddy
04-08-2002, 11:18 PM
those arrows are type ridicule-us
L.RonHubbard
04-09-2002, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by mike tyson
do you have your own custom built chrome swing hanging from grey's nutsack? do you polish it every day to a shine so you can see the reflection of his asshair as you swing to and fro?
it's never appropriate to do wack graffiti, and most definitely never appropriate to post it on 12oz with black dots over it to hide how completely gay it is.
weak shit like that is just an invitation for hate. grey quit screaming "hey look at me, i want attention" then crying when you get it.
now one of you fanboys go ahead and respond about how jealous i am because i don't have pull like grey. i need a good laugh. come on....i'm waiting.
it seems like everytime someone compliments the graffiti you get more and more exasperated, and its true, it makes you look desperate and jealous. You obviously are jocking the man by investing your time and energy into this thread to bitch at me and others and organize your cutsy little photoshop insult. Your shameless trying to get someones attention. What I suggest is that you go off somewhere by yourself and get a forty or smoke a doobie or whatnot and free your mind. Its not good for your health to sip on the jealousy in such gluttonous quanitities. Your player hating griping brings to mind a BigL verse where he says something about "niggas prayin on my downfall hopin i flop or hoping I stop, you haters probably even hoping i get locked".
mike tyson
04-09-2002, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by L.RonHubbard
it seems like everytime someone compliments the graffiti you get more and more exasperated, and its true, it makes you look desperate and jealous. You obviously are jocking the man by investing your time and energy into this thread to bitch at me and others and organize your cutsy little photoshop insult. Your shameless trying to get someones attention. What I suggest is that you go off somewhere by yourself and get a forty or smoke a doobie or whatnot and free your mind. Its not good for your health to sip on the jealousy in such gluttonous quanitities. Your player hating griping brings to mind a BigL verse where he says something about "niggas prayin on my downfall hopin i flop or hoping I stop, you haters probably even hoping i get locked".
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. thanks i needed that toy.
mental invalid
04-09-2002, 04:17 AM
12oz.......***
***an enigma that only gets stranger by the days....***
as someone who doesnt know shit, someone help me out:***
1.when is it okay not to dig a style, or a writer without getting called a "playa hata" or a fool?***
2.when is it okay to dig a style or a writer and not get call a dick rider?***
i dont really care for pissaro but love picasso....last time i went to a museum with a friend he didnt tell me i jocked picasso or playa hated on pissaro....there seems to be no art in the critiques or the appreciation in this place, and it sucks....***
"i hate it"
"i love it"***
where is the critique and appreciation beyond the superficial.....its somebodies work, not a cheeseburger....perhaps im ticked too, because when someone goes beyond those two words i can learn and expand, people can learn and expand, and the "diss" or "dick lick", becomes an actual insight into the critic as well as the work of the writer...like i said im fairly new so youll all excuse me for not understanding it all...perhaps it just idealistic....
of what i know, i dig greys work, color, letters, combinations, spots....its pleases my retina...and i got all excited to see this post....but the black dots confuse me, and really i think most people were hating on the dots and not the style...i understand what cleansheets is getting at, but if youre afraid of them getting out there into the general internet public, why just not post em?...nevermind you have your own reasons, can i make one suggestion...maybe next time a simple crop shot of a line of where two colors gently touch or a snap shot of just part of the "G" or the tail of the "Y" may achieve the trick and at the same time will only be known to those that know...and there wont be those heinous black holes to suck away the train and distract the thread topic....the black dots make me feel like im in the writers protection program....killing me....sorry
um thats it...roe-mondaysdoneimgoingtobedoner
much ado about nothing.....
imported_PaperbackWriter
04-09-2002, 04:30 AM
those are some good spray paintings. looking forward to seeing the whole thing (if ever)
L.RonHubbard
04-09-2002, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by mike tyson
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. thanks i needed that toy.
is that all you got to say for yourself?? Boy im not one to get involved in heavy internet banter, but i must say, with all your silly remarks and stupid insults you better come correct with a real reason. WHY ARE YOU HATING SO? Is there a concrete reason for your pussy-like behavior? I hope you can stand up for yourself, because otherwise you just look like a cock blockin pussy.
mike tyson
04-09-2002, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by L.RonHubbard
is that all you got to say for yourself?? Boy im not one to get involved in heavy internet banter, but i must say, with all your silly remarks and stupid insults you better come correct with a real reason. WHY ARE YOU HATING SO? Is there a concrete reason for your pussy-like behavior? I hope you can stand up for yourself, because otherwise you just look like a cock blockin pussy.
hahahahahaha. shut up HASH. ahahahahahah hahahahahahaha. fucking toy. i can't even argue with you dude, you suck too bad. i'm sorry.
L.RonHubbard
04-09-2002, 03:33 PM
oOriginally posted by mike tyson
hahahahahaha. shut up HASH. ahahahahahah hahahahahahaha. fucking toy. i can't even argue with you dude, you suck too bad. i'm sorry.
yo clown-post your own graff or quit runnin your yap
mmmm..tacos
04-09-2002, 04:56 PM
On musicians
Is it me, or are all the people that play in symphonies absolutely hideous? I mean, I would not want to be awakened in the night by one, even if there is a fire. If there is a fire, find someone with a proportionate body to wake me up so I do not open my eyes and think I am in the movie Willow.
I have noticed a pattern in symphony-folk. Actually, I have noticed a few patterns in symphony-folk. First, there are the little people-the kind of people that probably utilize shoe horns on a daily basis. These are men and women of much smaller proportion (not dwarves or midgits) that are around the 4'6"-4'8" range, also referred to as the "I can do my own laundry, but can't reach the detergent" height. Second, in a non-formal symphony or group performance, I have been able to spot atleast two traditional indian garments among the players. It is at these times when i am forced to ask myself two questions: "Are these the trend setters among symphony-folk?" and "Where does one actually purchase pants with indian designs that have shoes of the same material attached to the cuffs?" It is mostly the women that wear these garments. The men seem to have an idea of how to dress.
The hairstyles of common symphony-folk differ greatly and I have seen some unique cuts. Women with Kenny G's haircut are prevalent and can be spotted from a mile away. And symphony women will have no part in letting scunci's go out of style. But it is the hairstyle that the men seem to clench on to like a retarded kid, scared of a racoon, gripping tightly to his mother that concerns me-the skull yamaka. This is a bald spot on the back of a man's head that takes the shape of a yamaka and in a dark symphony seems to trick me everytime.
The most puzzling thing about symphony-folk however, are their body measurents. I have never seen so many ill-proportioned people in the same room. Women with men's size shoes above fifteen are common as well as skinny bodies with a big thigh or a missing shin (also known as a neckle). There are also the pear-shaped folk that slide off their seats so easily and i always notice a disappointed look on their faces when they do so. For chairs were meant for people with flat backs.
I once even saw a woman with no neck to speak of. She played the flute beautifully.
If one ever attends a symphony and witnesses these things first hand, dont blert out things like "Look at that tuba player, she's shaped like a ham!" or "Man, the crotch on that lady must be hairy as shit!" Just sit back, laugh to yourself, or maybe tell the person next to you, because it is mean to make fun of symphony-folk.
L.RonHubbard
04-09-2002, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by t-ball coach
On musicians
Is it me, or are all the people that play in symphonies absolutely hideous? I mean, I would not want to be awakened in the night by one, even if there is a fire. If there is a fire, find someone with a proportionate body to wake me up so I do not open my eyes and think I am in the movie Willow.
I have noticed a pattern in symphony-folk. Actually, I have noticed a few patterns in symphony-folk. First, there are the little people-the kind of people that probably utilize shoe horns on a daily basis. These are men and women of much smaller proportion (not dwarves or midgits) that are around the 4'6"-4'8" range, also referred to as the "I can do my own laundry, but can't reach the detergent" height. Second, in a non-formal symphony or group performance, I have been able to spot atleast two traditional indian garments among the players. It is at these times when i am forced to ask myself two questions: "Are these the trend setters among symphony-folk?" and "Where does one actually purchase pants with indian designs that have shoes of the same material attached to the cuffs?" It is mostly the women that wear these garments. The men seem to have an idea of how to dress.
The hairstyles of common symphony-folk differ greatly and I have seen some unique cuts. Women with Kenny G's haircut are prevalent and can be spotted from a mile away. And symphony women will have no part in letting scunci's go out of style. But it is the hairstyle that the men seem to clench on to like a retarded kid, scared of a racoon, gripping tightly to his mother that concerns me-the skull yamaka. This is a bald spot on the back of a man's head that takes the shape of a yamaka and in a dark symphony seems to trick me everytime.
The most puzzling thing about symphony-folk however, are their body measurents. I have never seen so many ill-proportioned people in the same room. Women with men's size shoes above fifteen are common as well as skinny bodies with a big thigh or a missing shin (also known as a neckle). There are also the pear-shaped folk that slide off their seats so easily and i always notice a disappointed look on their faces when they do so. For chairs were meant for people with flat backs.
I once even saw a woman with no neck to speak of. She played the flute beautifully.
If one ever attends a symphony and witnesses these things first hand, dont blert out things like "Look at that tuba player, she's shaped like a ham!" or "Man, the crotch on that lady must be hairy as shit!" Just sit back, laugh to yourself, or maybe tell the person next to you, because it is mean to make fun of symphony-folk.
you bastard!!!!! hahahahahaha
d-town_bomber
04-10-2002, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by T.T Boy
ive always liked his stuff.
why would i hate on this?
shit is dope.
AGREED.
much respect. keep rockin shit. ive always enjoyed grey's style
OMARNYCAKASW1
04-10-2002, 03:36 AM
man
i think that it takes a super duper overblown ego
to post pics like that..
you could have used digital watermarks or typed some text over it
you didnt want anybody to see it before your girlfriends saw it
but you came on here to grab some cheap fame first...
damm i noticed that you posted that a long time ago!
its all cheap fame..i post a reply and get some cheap fame too!
imported_sixteenvandals
04-10-2002, 04:47 AM
omar-
nope those are brand new flicks. they weren't posted a long time ago unless you mean 2 weeks ago.
I just dont want you selling my photos on ebay. thats the real reason i edit my flicks.
get over it girlfriends...hah..you guys need to do you...grey is doing grey.i doubt he honestly gives a shit what any of you have to say.however the flicks are lovely...clean trains are a dream.peace.
jeff123456
04-10-2002, 07:06 AM
hahah look at that fucking queer in the last pic..
Originally posted by jeff123456
hahah look at that fucking queer in the last pic..
yeah i mean shit, where's the Timbos at, the Fubu? Such a queer...
yall are gay
04-10-2002, 09:31 PM
this post makes me sick, highschool's over.
Secret
04-11-2002, 01:20 AM
All the jealousy in this thread is overwhelming. When did graffilthy have rules of posting and not posting flicks on the net. Who cares what other people do. I'm really surprised how insecure some people are.
newyuckshity
04-11-2002, 01:30 AM
who buys magazines?
Can you sign my book???
04-11-2002, 03:07 AM
yo why you cryin dog? yo you soundin like a lil ho please believe it!
That right there is the best thing about this thread...Lovin it, just lovin it...
Remi Martin
04-11-2002, 06:33 AM
if you cant see the humor in posting pictures of gawdy paintings on transit and then censoring them..............then i probably wouldnt want to drink beer with you........and definitley would not want to discuss painting or much else either.
HESHIANDET
04-11-2002, 07:11 AM
$$ on the graffiti, no $$ on the discussion in here.
niseNSF
04-11-2002, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by GLASS*ETCH
if you cant see the humor in posting pictures of gawdy paintings on transit and then censoring them..............then i probably wouldnt want to drink beer with you........and definitley would not want to discuss painting or much else either.
thats whats up...for real 'do.
The Fonz
04-11-2002, 08:20 PM
Fuck that shit...
I'll drink beer with anybody, even the wack, toy, pussy, baller-blockin', dick riddin, jealous, hater, mark ass busters on this thread...
Except for Cheerleader, that guy really fucks up the house.
hulk hogan
04-11-2002, 11:02 PM
:) :( :o :D ;) :king: :idea: :dazed: :crazy: :confused:
blah blah blah
who watched the amazing race last night?
hava_nagila
04-12-2002, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by The Fonz
Fuck that shit...
I'll drink beer with anybody, even the wack, toy, pussy, baller-blockin', dick riddin, jealous, hater, mark ass busters on this thread...
Except for Cheerleader, that guy really fucks up the house.
excellent. the great leveller==beer.
niseNSF
04-12-2002, 04:28 AM
FONZIE!!! come to silk city tonight and ill buy you a beer, you southerner!!!
lepid16
04-12-2002, 05:29 AM
Ladies! What resentment. And christ! For a bunch of macho freaks whats all this talk about his hair and his pants?! The vespa thing had me in stitches. heh. I guess all the blubber means more fame for the grey-bot. I think he deserves it...his shit is fresh. The spots are totally weird but it makes me just want to see those fliks more...hopefully I will at some point.
lady lepid
Coat of Fur
04-12-2002, 05:36 AM
fuck lepid shes a whore...........oh and greys the man...dont hate comgradulate!
Dr. Doom
04-12-2002, 05:39 AM
You know the guy is fresh! If you want to hate because how he dresses or what his physique is like then that's retarded!! What?? Now graffiti is a fashion show 24/7??? EAT DICKS CHUMPS!!! I know he's on here and I'm pretty sure that silly ass hating like this doesn't affect him in the slightest!! Am I correct in saying so here Mr. Grey??
I thought so!!
lepid16
04-12-2002, 05:40 AM
I am totally a whore. all girls in graff are hookers.
jack tripper
04-13-2002, 05:42 AM
I know this doesn't make a difference in anyone's life, but I had to get this out:
My respect level for this cat has diminished to nothing from the time this thread started to now...I don't see his rational...
LarryKing
04-13-2002, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Mayor Bill Campbell
I know this doesn't make a difference in anyone's life, but I had to get this out:
My respect level for this cat has diminished to nothing from the time this thread started to now...I don't see his rational... TRUE DAT...
honkyartist
04-13-2002, 07:15 PM
great way to copywrite your fotos and stop the toys from biting
imported_Jewish Task Force
04-15-2002, 05:16 PM
Just got back from Milan..... where I got the red-line full color in traffic right now with people in it and hot ass Italian girls jocking my piece....
1. Grey and Amaze killed this city. Tags throwups and street pieces.
2. Subways there are not easy, trust me. You have like ten minutes to do a piece.
All you motherfucking haters just dont know. Bitch and moan all you want, but when it comes down to it you dont have the balls to pull shit off, all you can do is sit behind a computer and talk shit about people who are doing shit's style and hope that nobdy finds out who you are. All talking shit about how somebody dresses is just childish, graduate highschool and then talk shit chump.
phr8nigglet
04-16-2002, 06:26 AM
thats all well and good..props for getting up..but why post the pics with dots?..fuckin nevermind i give up
Fugazi
04-16-2002, 06:39 AM
Are those black dots high-gloss? I think they add a lot to the piece. Maybe it could be a style. "Hey look, I buffed myself." You've been painting for 12 years, maybe you could work out a little bit. You're as scrawny as me. Anyways, I'm just fucking with you. Good stuff. From what I can tell.
niseNSF
04-17-2002, 11:04 AM
[img]http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~farley/runetree/images/grey.jpg'>
there you go, uncensored.
drip one
04-17-2002, 02:47 PM
i like the euro shit. i like the people who started the shit. i dont like all these kids latching on to the shit. if i were you i would leave the fliks blocked due to the fact that i dont want to see that everywhere. no diss to grey. i like your shit. but too many mother fuckers bite that shit. its nice to have different styles. originallity is hard to come by now in graff due to kids copying shit to get good over night. put in work you toy fucks. you know who you are and so does everyone else. next thing you know everyone will be doing the same thing and when the writers that create pass on so will graff. it is dying slowly. create. no imitate. or i will hate. bottom fucking line.
Fugazi
04-18-2002, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by honkyartist
great way to copywrite your fotos and stop the toys from biting
A better way would be just to not post them at all.
Fugazi
04-18-2002, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
I just dont want you selling my photos on ebay. thats the real reason i edit my flicks.
That's a joke, right?
Icabod_Crane
04-18-2002, 01:06 AM
i think that everyone is blowing the black dots out of proportion. if you're gonna censor pictures you shouldn't post them. fuck it. send them in to a mag, i don't give a shit. but there's not reason to post some graf, if you can't even see the entire flick; i don't care who you are...
Originally posted by Icabod_Crane
i think that everyone is blowing the black dots out of proportion. if you're gonna censor pictures you shouldn't post them. fuck it. send them in to a mag, i don't give a shit. but there's not reason to post some graf, if you can't even see the entire flick; i don't care who you are...
You all are some stupid fucks. Grey is playing all of you by posting his shit with dots over it and getting you little bitches all heated about it. Look you idiots, you can't even see the flicks and there are 4 pages in responses. You all just don't get it, you guys are playing youselves. Grey doesn't give a fuck about you, he is making a fool out of each and every one of you by getting you all worked up. He has his fame, he knows mad people bite his shit, so he decided to slap all you mother fuckers in the face for it. Fuck you bitches.
dBUSH
04-18-2002, 02:13 AM
I wanna do clean trains.
T.T Boy
04-18-2002, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
Just got back from Milan..... where I got the red-line full color in traffic right now with people in it and hot ass Italian girls jocking my piece....
1. Grey and Amaze killed this city. Tags throwups and street pieces.
2. Subways there are not easy, trust me. You have like ten minutes to do a piece.
All you motherfucking haters just dont know. Bitch and moan all you want, but when it comes down to it you dont have the balls to pull shit off, all you can do is sit behind a computer and talk shit about people who are doing shit's style and hope that nobdy finds out who you are. All talking shit about how somebody dresses is just childish, graduate highschool and then talk shit chump.
dont worry, ill be there killing it in a few months.
your all gay
04-18-2002, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by yall are gay
this post makes me sick, highschool's over.
you hoe ass faggot
Fugazi
04-18-2002, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by 200$
You all are some stupid fucks. Grey is playing all of you by posting his shit with dots over it and getting you little bitches all heated about it. Look you idiots, you can't even see the flicks and there are 4 pages in responses. You all just don't get it, you guys are playing youselves. Grey doesn't give a fuck about you, he is making a fool out of each and every one of you by getting you all worked up. He has his fame, he knows mad people bite his shit, so he decided to slap all you mother fuckers in the face for it. Fuck you bitches.
Does this make you a fool for adding to the 4 pages? :crazy:
Icabod_Crane
04-18-2002, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by 200$
You all are some stupid fucks. Grey is playing all of you by posting his shit with dots over it and getting you little bitches all heated about it. Look you idiots, you can't even see the flicks and there are 4 pages in responses. You all just don't get it, you guys are playing youselves. Grey doesn't give a fuck about you, he is making a fool out of each and every one of you by getting you all worked up. He has his fame, he knows mad people bite his shit, so he decided to slap all you mother fuckers in the face for it. Fuck you bitches.
should i be offended? if so, i'm not. fucks and bitches aren't that effective.
elquilser
04-19-2002, 08:00 PM
i liked ur piece at the rat holes you should go there more often
Sonik3000
04-26-2002, 12:01 AM
that's not a black dot, it's a button, a big graffiti button. your button. grey put it on his own piece and then pushed your buttons with it.
i like a writer with a good amount of cocky arrogance. i've met a lot of writers that in time would just bore me to tears as people, i don't think grey's one of them.
his graffiti's pretty good, too.
TrUoNe
04-26-2002, 01:42 AM
:mad: You paint so others can peep your shit and for your self but to post something that u black out thats week u blacked it out cuz u fucked them all up and your all toys so fuck of and dont DONT paint our trains cuz the day i see u painting a usa train all hell has broken lose....:heated:
professor poopatronic
04-26-2002, 01:50 AM
just so you know grey, i 100% bit your haircut. only my hair is kinda curly so it poofs out all crazy. it's pretty cool.
GOLEM
04-26-2002, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
heres the scoop you punks...
1. i never sent flicks to ANY mag in the 12 years i have been writing unless the person who does the mag ASKED ME for flicks personally. in total i have sent about 5 letters with flicks to mags ever. you know what i do. i don't send my flicks, i send myself.
2. i blacked out the shit because i want my friends to see the stuff before other people do. plus i dont particularly want people latching on to my style before i really claimed it. i liked it back when flicks meant something.
3. i put the shit on here just to justify my blatant opinions on here. One question how do you drip using euro paint? sofa king magazine?
JoeyLawrence
04-28-2002, 12:07 AM
if you all saw the flick i saw two nights ago you'd be pawning your fubu jackets to get a plane ticket out here just to catch a glimpse of the girly-haired master. (and girly hair is fuckin rad, bitches.)
best post.....ever.
Abstract Rationality
04-28-2002, 12:43 AM
He has pretty hair...Ima bend him over and fuck him like a little bitch when I see him...mmm mmm mmmm.....those black dots turn me on TOO.
Fugazi
04-28-2002, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by PopGunWar
if you all saw the flick i saw two nights ago you'd be pawning your fubu jackets to get a plane ticket out here just to catch a glimpse of the girly-haired master. (and girly hair is fuckin rad, bitches.)
best post.....ever.
yeah. awesome. :rolleyes:
Max Powers
04-28-2002, 07:22 AM
that's grey ? hahahaha, he looks cute....
imported_Jewish Task Force
04-28-2002, 02:48 PM
blacked out photos and four pages of bitching and moaning, jocking or comments about appearence..............pure comedy
urban ghost
04-28-2002, 03:14 PM
^^^^my thoughts exactly........
imported_IVO AKM KILLERZ
04-28-2002, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
blacked out photos and four pages of bitching and moaning, jocking or comments about appearence..............pure comedy
yes! yes! yes! 16,you sure have started alot over a few fliks! good work it fucked up all the toys big time..i love it!
Fugazi
04-28-2002, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by IVO AKM KILLERZ
good work it fucked up all the toys big time..i love it!
That make no sense. It fucked up the toys? I don't think they (we?) give a fuck, it's just fun to bitch.
imported_Jewish Task Force
04-30-2002, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Fugazi
That make no sense. It fucked up the toys? I don't think they (we?) give a fuck, it's just fun to bitch.
If its fun for you to bitch, then you must be one. ooooooh.
Fugazi
04-30-2002, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
If its fun for you to bitch, then you must be one. ooooooh.
Did you miss the part where I referred to "toys" as "we"? Good one though. Two points.
imported_Jewish Task Force
05-02-2002, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Fugazi
Did you miss the part where I referred to "toys" as "we"? Good one though. Two points.
Not we, you. Not me, you.
mental invalid
05-02-2002, 02:38 PM
nevermind........
Fugazi
05-02-2002, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
Not we, you. Not me, you.
Me. I forgot you're a king. I'd better ask somebody... :rolleyes:
imported_evileats
05-03-2002, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Fugazi
Me. I forgot you're a king. I'd better ask somebody... :rolleyes:
yeah, probably...
imported_IVO AKM KILLERZ
05-03-2002, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
If its fun for you to bitch, then you must be one. ooooooh.
yes ya'll big bitches hey...
grey posts a few fliks and ends up with a huge bitching thread - i love it,it has done its job!
cathartic
05-03-2002, 04:35 PM
i can't believe this thread is still going, christ let it go.
imported_Jewish Task Force
05-04-2002, 05:40 PM
Christ Tom Foolery, let it go.... kill the fish.....
dukeofyork
05-04-2002, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Aroe*ones
Deeeelishhhh...good enyff to eat. All u bitter cats r hilarious.Why is it you all love to hate so much? Is it because you'll never put in work except in your moms backyard?
Or the fact that you all will never hit a clean train? Or is just because this board is the only way u have to participate in graff?Poor kids. Grey puts in more time bombing then y'all do drooling mindless ignorant chatter on here..and thats alot of time.
Bump 4 the GREY boy Allstar
i dont hate on him cause he rocks cleans...
i dont like how he acts like if you aint painting cleans, you aint shit.
i make do with what ive got. i could give a fuck who paints what as long as i can still get out and do what i feel like. just dont talk down to other people like that, its just plain annoying and childish. grey should know hes big, and know whats up. instead of coming on here and going oh yea, you like that dont you? huh? you like that shit?
i aint hating, i like what he does, hes good, hes been around, hes put in time...just fucking go easy with the attitude youre killing me here...
Fox Mulder
05-04-2002, 06:01 PM
word..^^^
Fugazi
05-04-2002, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by chozer
i aint hating, i like what he does, hes good, hes been around, hes put in time...just fucking go easy with the attitude youre killing me here...
Amen.
imported_Jewish Task Force
05-06-2002, 02:14 PM
Say what you want but you know that if you were to meet Grey you would say nothing of the sort and you would be showering him with compliments. Bottom Line.
And Tom Foolery, talking about letting things go.... you should try to let some things go for a change. Take a chill pill.
mental invalid
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...if you dont get it, it means this thread makes no sense...chill pills all around, and big cups of shut the fuck up for everyone....reread chozer
beard
05-06-2002, 03:06 PM
this is like my 50th wholecar.. i dont even keep track anymore.
[img]http://freephoto-i.net/users/beardo/phishwholecar.jpg'>
mental invalid
05-06-2002, 03:08 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
phucking phatty.......nice color combo
Ski Mask
09-25-2002, 06:05 AM
[img]http://www.saberone.com/graf/photos/piecetrain8.JPEG'>
imported_sixteenvandals
09-25-2002, 07:51 AM
he photoshopped out the censor and forgot the hole in the R
imported_Europe
09-25-2002, 09:07 AM
What is this world coming to?
The peice looks nice in that flick anyway, censor or photoshop...
Subwaynet
09-25-2002, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Europe
What is this world coming to?
The peice looks nice in that flick anyway, censor or photoshop...
No doubt,
but it seems people just dis everything they cant manage to do...
Remember..while you stay here talkin shit there's sure someone out doin shit...
beardo
09-25-2002, 02:42 PM
fresh
bigguy
09-25-2002, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
he photoshopped out the censor and forgot the hole in the R Actually, no, we found it on some itallian forum.
Subwaynet
09-25-2002, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by bigguy
Actually, no, we found it on some itallian forum.
It's linked from saberone.com site...
stilborn
09-25-2002, 06:56 PM
all i want,and i dont matter at all,is fliks.i just weanna see the fliks.but i cant and im out,if anyone changes their mind and posts em,il be souped.but i know its not gunna happen,mad respect to grey.the grafs always been ground breaking
stilborn
09-25-2002, 06:58 PM
after seeing constant bullshit being sed from page one thru 5 i decided to skip page six,there are fliks aparewntly.thanx to who ever posted them
imported_sixteenvandals
09-25-2002, 07:22 PM
alright. i confess that i was with saber on that one and he took flicks of it.
thats the real piece not photoshop.
now do you guys think im better cause i was with SABER?
16v.
bigguy
09-25-2002, 07:25 PM
Was jack there too? You must be real good to hang out with jack! :P
Subwaynet
09-25-2002, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
now do you guys think im better cause i was with SABER?
...no, but just cause there were better panels from that sessions then saber one.... like your one and neuro's...:cool:
take it easy
DITDxCULT
09-25-2002, 08:07 PM
The letters and colors look decent, but I am not feeling those arrows at all.
imported_sixteenvandals
09-25-2002, 08:42 PM
hey subwaynet.
i had a great time in your city! i want to come back soon. if you talk to dumbo and some others tell them i said hi.
16v.
Subwaynet
09-25-2002, 08:52 PM
ok 16v...
if you come here drop me a word... sure we can have a nice subway action this time.
FR80H0LIC
09-25-2002, 09:26 PM
I'm jealous, slugger. I pretend to be all secretive like james bond, but it's really because my graff looks like a pile of steaming shit. but i have most of these nebraska highschool wanna be's convinced i am a secret train agent!
imported_sixteenvandals
09-25-2002, 10:22 PM
if it wasnt in first person, it wouldnt have been so funny.
16.
seeking
09-25-2002, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by FR80H0LIC
I'm jealous, slugger. I pretend to be all secretive like james bond, but it's really because my graff looks like a pile of steaming shit. but i have most of these nebraska highschool wanna be's convinced i am a secret train agent!
grey, you pathetic fuck. if you're going to make new names to talk shit to people, cause apparently your not man enough to do it as yourself, atleast have the fucking sense to mask your IP address.
i cant believe you went through all the hassle of opening up a new hotmail account just for this... fr8o must really be getting under your skin huh?
jesus dude...
bigguy
09-25-2002, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
it is so god damn obvious who made that screen name no IP is going to help.
and it was for the sake of humor. if i said it with my own name it wouldnt have been funny.
that fuckin dickhead talks mad shit and doesnt have the fuckin balls to lead on as to who he is...
16. Why insist on feeding the fire!?
imported_sixteenvandals
09-25-2002, 10:29 PM
here is the deal.
at least when i talk shit everyone knows what i write. you dont see me talking shit then saying "ingnorance is bliss" or "you remain clueless"
basically the one not paying the piper is FR8o.
16
imported_sixteenvandals
09-25-2002, 10:30 PM
seeking, you arepathetic cause you have 11,000+ posts and no fame.
Remi Martin
09-25-2002, 10:34 PM
not that i should be responding to this, i shouldnt but.....
im seein it like this. fr80 talks shit at 16v cause hes arrogant. hmmmm...well last i checked graffiti was arrogant ruckus specifically among those who put in work.
then half the board it seems whines about 16v being a dickhead and you got mods writing 4 paragraph long i used to have respect for you bullshit things......
maybe its just me, but i find 16v to be a normal typa guy that puts in work. i enjoy what he contributes and i am finding the whole situation with fr80 amusing. and thats what i get to get out of it.
seeking calling some one who has put in work a "pathetic fuck" in my eyes is a none of his business, its your boys business to handle his shit and besides that the guy puts in work. if his shit bugs you put him on ignore....but come on.....
but hey, i gotta type my opinion.
cheers.
bigguy
09-25-2002, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
seeking, you arepathetic cause you have 11,000+ posts and no fame. So how do posts relate in fame? Dose it matter? Is that our goal in life? Or is it to beautiffy? Or to bicker? Some are here to clean up the messes some make.
seeking
09-25-2002, 10:39 PM
if it was just for the 'obvious' sake of humor, why go and make up a new email address to create the account with, if it was so 'obviously' you?
im not trying to get into your guys beef, i could give a shit, but pulling moves like that is bitch made. when someone did it to you (mike tyson) you came running to ME, asking me to give up his info, then you do the same exact shit? "nigga please" as they say...
imported_sixteenvandals
09-25-2002, 10:46 PM
i didnt run to you. i know who "mike tyson" is in real life.
and i just wanted to make a name in first person to speak for "fr8o" and i didnt think you could have more than one name on an email account. it took 3 minutes to make a hotmail account.
ANYONE that has read my posts in the last 3 days would know good and fucking well who FR80H0LIC was. i wasnt trying to HIDE, i wanted fr8o to say stuff, so i spoke on his behalf.
just ban 16vandals too
board can go back to boring.
Remi Martin
09-25-2002, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by seeking
im not trying to get into your guys beef,
* then stop responding and let your boy handle his shit.
i could give a shit
* then stop responding
but pulling moves like that is bitch made.
*bitch made like you trynna side bust off your boys fame and handle his shit for him.
when someone did it to you (mike tyson) you came running to ME, asking me to give up his info, then you do the same exact shit? "nigga please" as they say...
* nigga please?
nigga please stop fronting like its you thats crushing commuters and lay off...oh wait your a mod i forgot its all your business...16v and fr80 cant take jabs at eachother on their own.
nigga please.
bigguy
09-25-2002, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by GLASS*ETCH
I look at this stuff and sit back at my work ..and chuckle..not at any one in particular..not at any thing in particular.. just about how issues esculate.. and wunder the reason.. i like to analize. I like to observe.. i like to critisize.. i love to receive critisism. (bad or good). Internat is a good medium..of exchange..of thought ..ideas.. issues...world wide. (whuts happening)
I enjoy seeing what is happening.
krowteN
09-25-2002, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
just ban 16vandals too
board can go back to boring.
:lol:
seeking
09-25-2002, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
seeking, you arepathetic cause you have 11,000+ posts and no fame.
your right, lemme call espo and see if he can make me famous too.
lets be frank here for a moment. i like most your stuff. i have a certain amount of respect for what you've done, but then you go pulling some hipocritical bullshit and it just shoots it all to hell. you say atleast everyone knows its you? dude, how fucking long did you refer to yourself in 3rd person, to avoid admitting your identity? how long did you talk shit on people and enforce you anonymity? it was only after you decided you wanted a piece of the internet fame that you had previously dissed people for, and started posting your own shit, that you came clean, and at that point, you had no choice. you act like you're some clean train mercenary, and if you dont have an album full then your not shit, but the fact of the matter is that you had your hand held as you walked into nearly every single yard you've been in, in both europe and america. no shame in getting put on, but acting like your some rough and tumbly gangster about the shit, when the people that matter know the truth, just makes you look foolish. just be honest man... you've painted some cool shit and you've influenced a whole lot of people... if you would just quit presenting yourself like an asshole, you wouldnt have to deal with any of this.
ironic that i would be saying all of this? perhaps, but i know a thing or two about peoples perceptions and how the internet changes things.
Remi Martin
09-25-2002, 11:39 PM
seeking your such a fool.
bitching out GREY on the internet does not make you cool.
and your trynna say someone held his hand? whatever fool.
your toying yourself on this one guy. GREY has put in more work than your probably ever will and that mutes all your points.
so go rant on some other shit fool.
and i dont jock GREY i like his work and your acting like such a idiot regarding this situation its irresistable not to snap on you.
Maybe you and OUIJA should go talk about your current respect levels for people that do more cleans than you.
* and another thing. you name drop so shamelessley here. at least GREY takes his own fame. you sit around the net and name drop and sidebust off other peoples.
and you cant say shit on me. i dare you to find one post where im touting the names of the people i paint with or my own.
my fame is minimal if any. it dont bug me and im not after it so its all love. however people with similar fame status like your self should lay the fuck off or at least establish your name all over at least one big city.
funny how i didnt see ANSIQ on the list of names getting up in philly.
krowteN
09-25-2002, 11:47 PM
word up. this is better than anything on cable right now.
bigguy
09-25-2002, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by krowteN
word up. this is better than anything on cable right now. THE DRAMA!
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 01:30 AM
and btw dude...
no beef. everything i said regarding you before still stands, recall that email where i was very polite.
i just call em like i see em. if you tried to pull that shit with the click i roll with you would get laughed at and fillins over you peices. (again)
seeking
09-26-2002, 01:36 AM
glass etch, as usual, you're dellusional. you have absolutely no clue what your talking about, have absolutely no business what so ever in this conversation (grey doesnt even know you exist!), and are talking 100% out your ass.
every point that i made was not only valid, but rational and TRUTHFULL. there isnt a single accusation ive made that grey will respond to, because he knows when the cards are laid on the table, they dont fall in his favor.... so instead he'll make irrelivent comments about my number of posts... yeah man, way to tackle the issues.
how exactly does ouija fit into this?
i wont even bother touching on the name dropping comment, since that was so clearly out of left field, and irrelivent, that its not even worth laughing at. according to you i dont paint ever, so you cant turn around and dis me for 'name dropping' the people i paint with. you cant have it both ways man.
you didnt see ansiq on the philly list cause the whole time (2 months, of which every weekend but 2 i was out of town) in philly i wrote a side name. walk down any major street in the downtown area, and you'll see me. again, dont talk about shit you have no idea about....
im sure grey appreciates you having his back and all, i mean, especially considering how close you guys are and what not. you're like brothers from different mothers....
imported_sixteenvandals
09-26-2002, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by seeking
your right, lemme call espo and see if he can make me famous too.
lets be frank here for a moment. i like most your stuff. i have a certain amount of respect for what you've done, but then you go pulling some hipocritical bullshit and it just shoots it all to hell. you say atleast everyone knows its you? dude, how fucking long did you refer to yourself in 3rd person, to avoid admitting your identity? how long did you talk shit on people and enforce you anonymity? it was only after you decided you wanted a piece of the internet fame that you had previously dissed people for, and started posting your own shit, that you came clean, and at that point, you had no choice. you act like you're some clean train mercenary, and if you dont have an album full then your not shit, but the fact of the matter is that you had your hand held as you walked into nearly every single yard you've been in, in both europe and america. no shame in getting put on, but acting like your some rough and tumbly gangster about the shit, when the people that matter know the truth, just makes you look foolish. just be honest man... you've painted some cool shit and you've influenced a whole lot of people... if you would just quit presenting yourself like an asshole, you wouldnt have to deal with any of this.
ironic that i would be saying all of this? perhaps, but i know a thing or two about peoples perceptions and how the internet changes things.
hey seeking.
shut the fuck up. you dont know shit about how i get my dirt done. why don't you shut your mouth about me.
thanks.
16v.
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 01:42 AM
no im not dellusional.
your stupid and come across toy.
oh you took tags in downtown philly.. shit dog, whens Cope doing your interview.
and besides fool. you dont hit transit so lay off it.
i dont care about the details. you clowned your self enough with your own words.
i dont care if Grey doesnt know i exist. i paint in the bay and have seen his shit on streets when your were tagging dumpsters in suburban detroit. i respect the work he does and out of that, if my opinion favors him and not some apparent transit killer i never heard of.
and besides that, come back to bay so you can get laughed out again.
imported_sixteenvandals
09-26-2002, 02:02 AM
hey seeking..
how you figure that the cards have been layed on the table?
unless you have an ace in the hole then you are a broke ass motherfucker.
i been a street writer my whole career by the way. the transit is just icing on the cake. every city i have been to i did properly BY MYSELF.
you wont win this so dont act like you got me beat cause you have seen maybe 5% of my work.
alright?
16v.
Tikriminal
09-26-2002, 02:20 AM
hey.. trying to be objective here..
nice stuff grey, but i have to say, on that last panel, that Y is just a bit wonked... my personal opinion anyway..
and i dont mind saying this because im not a US fr8 bitch, im from Australia and i rock 10 min passengers every week, so i reckon i can offer some constructive critisicm.. but keep up the good stuff grey, you should make a trip over here, we'll put hairs on your chest ;)
imported_sixteenvandals
09-26-2002, 03:16 AM
true man. the Y is probably kinda jacked. i was trying something wierd for a change.
yeah i want to come out there actually i am planning on it soon. ill be in touch with you cause i wanna do some action. are you in melbourne or sydney? or adelaide? or somewhere else???
let me know whats up through email...
16v.
krowteN
09-26-2002, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by Tikriminal
im not a US fr8 bitch
clearly. your an aussie transit bitch.
seeking
09-26-2002, 03:59 AM
"every city i have been to i did properly BY MYSELF"
the problem with graffiti, is that its a sewing circle. everyone knows everyone elses business and everyone is only 1 person away from eachother... either of us could make one phone call, and be in touch with the other. which is cool, because it makes networking easy and ensures you a place to crash and a ride to the yard no matter what state you're in, but the downside is that people love to discuss other folks business. sometimes its praising them, sometimes its dissing them, and sometimes its just stating facts. its not always 'gossiping' but stories are always being shared. you inevitably get the real details on the work they've put in, the damage they've done and plenty of other irrelivent stuff...
the point is that once you gain any sort of fame, people love to talk about what you do. some are praising, some are dissing, but regardless the words get around. and im not talking about internet gossip, im talking about first hand accounts. as our friend glass etch pointed out for us, i know alot of people in alot of places. i know alot about the transit scene, and i dont need to make things up to prove my point. even if that point is not exactly mine to make.
asoka
09-26-2002, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
every city i have been to i did properly BY MYSELF.
Originally posted by tikriminal
you should make a trip over here, we'll put hairs on your chest
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
yeah i want to come out there actually...ill be in touch with you cause i wanna do some action.
This reminds me of Clinton saying he didn't inhale and making up his own definition of "Is".
imported_sixteenvandals
09-26-2002, 04:16 AM
alright. ill accept that you may have heard "stuff" about what i have done.
but come on man, there is NO FUCKING WAY you know how it was in poland in 1998 for me. (for example)
there isnt an american alive that would know what it was like on most of MY trips, much less to tell your ass about it.
also what about when i go with my crew to paint???? does it make me less valid cause i went with someone? i never knew you had to go by yourself to be legit. i have actual good friends that i paint with when i travel, dont judge me relations with them on some conceptual "keep it real" bullshit.
i have gone plenty tours by myself anyways.
16v.
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 04:17 AM
hey seeking,
maybe you should wait until you actually gain some street fame before running your mouth this fucking much.
i dont give a fuck who you know that hits transit. unless its you dont run your fucking mouth so much.
or at least be savage about your shit and put your flicks up.
i dont give a fuck who you know where.
when you were here you painted with 15 year old toys.
imported_sixteenvandals
09-26-2002, 04:22 AM
PS you stupid fucks..when i am talking about doing cities...i am talking about streets. if im so in need of local guidance then why do i hit streets on my own most every time????
so dont go calling me a hippocrite. if someone is cool to me and rocks shit in thier city then ill fuckin go with them....
but all you talking shit are niether COOL TO ME, nor do you ROCK SHIT. so fuck off!
god dammit fuck you
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 04:30 AM
woopty fucking do.
you dont paint transit trains.
ill bet you 50 cents ill have flicks of mine stateside before you.
so either put in work or stop riding coat tails of writers who put in work.
you come across as WACK on the internet. i dont give a fuck who you paint with.
Originally posted by seeking
"every city i have been to i did properly BY MYSELF"
as our friend glass etch pointed out for us, i know alot of people in alot of places.
w1gg3r
09-26-2002, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by seeking
your right, lemme call espo and see if he can make me famous too.
lets be frank here for a moment. i like most your stuff. i have a certain amount of respect for what you've done, but then you go pulling some hipocritical bullshit and it just shoots it all to hell. you say atleast everyone knows its you? dude, how fucking long did you refer to yourself in 3rd person, to avoid admitting your identity? how long did you talk shit on people and enforce you anonymity? it was only after you decided you wanted a piece of the internet fame that you had previously dissed people for, and started posting your own shit, that you came clean, and at that point, you had no choice. you act like you're some clean train mercenary, and if you dont have an album full then your not shit, but the fact of the matter is that you had your hand held as you walked into nearly every single yard you've been in, in both europe and america. no shame in getting put on, but acting like your some rough and tumbly gangster about the shit, when the people that matter know the truth, just makes you look foolish. just be honest man... you've painted some cool shit and you've influenced a whole lot of people... if you would just quit presenting yourself like an asshole, you wouldnt have to deal with any of this.
ironic that i would be saying all of this? perhaps, but i know a thing or two about peoples perceptions and how the internet changes things.
i've known grey for a long time, and i'm no famous guy.. i have no idea where all the hostility twords him comes from.. when he painted subways here (in sf)and no one showed him how.. he figured it out himself.. he's never had any reason to be nice (which i don't think is a must for a writer) but was..
everyone who talks shit here either must see some wierd alternate reality grey, or are jealous.. hmmm..
bottom line:
who cares who you are? it's the piece that matters..
i DO think posting censored photos is corny.. but i flood the internet with my crap.. so what do i know..
seeking
09-26-2002, 06:51 AM
grey,
you and i are really not so different. we both have a reputation for talking insane amounts of shit, yet every single person that knows us swears to the death that in real life, we're totally chill and easy to get along with. the other day you said you come across differently on the internet, not because you get on here and think your some gangster, but because in person, no one ever comes at you like they do here. ive been saying this for 3 years. its been my curse. and just like you, time and time again, i fell into it. i would reply to their criticisms and get angry and talk shit and really, it was such an incredible waste of time that if ive ever looked foolish on here, it was for doing that.
people bitched about my attitude. they said i didnt have the status within the writing community to be saying the shit that i was. in most cases i think they were wrong, but the few times that they were right, stuck so firmly in their mind, that they were blind to right and wrong, and just loved to throw darts at me every chance they got.
whether deserved or not, that's what has happend to you. people got fed up with your attitude, or what they perceived as attitude, and they're calling you out on it.
personally, i have no real interest in trying to clown you. its not who i am, and not what i want. sure, im gonna stick up for my friends, but you would, and have, done the same. its to be expected. this whole thing started (between us), right or wrong, over completely un-graff related shit. it turned into something much worse, but considering both of our 'reputations', that too is to be expected. well, that and an annoying motherfucker who had no business speaking either of our names, dick riding them both for attention and making it all appear much more severe than it was on its own. either way, its like when me and lead clash, completely predictable.
whatever, take all of my words with a grain of salt. think of me as just some sucker on the internet that couldnt paint his way out of a paper bag, it doesnt bother me. im just being honest with you. this is why you get haters. not because you dont put in work, but because you present it as if you're the only one putting in work, and everyone else is a second class writer. then you do that corny ass censoring your own photos shit, and it just comes across lame as hell. its cyber stamp licking, blocked out or not. its still saying 'hey, im grey, and i painted a subway car in europe"... no one likes someone going for cheap fame, especially you, and thats what makes it hypcritical.
as i said, people talk, and trust me, this is what they say.
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 07:05 AM
hahahahahahahahha
you compared yourself to someone your not even close to fool............
ahahhahahahhah
oh, am i that motherfucker dickriding both your names.
please sucker...your name here either brings up laughter or "who the fuck is that"
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 07:16 AM
and let me just break off the comparison
while in 00 when you were painting with me and some 15 year old toys that "held your hand to spots"
**** was out with AWR and old school frisco legends.
I came up off SF graffiti and feel i have to right to stick up for a writer I have seen nothing but qaulity work in person from.
so dude, just lay off it. call me a dickrider, i think i first graced your ears with that term..
or show me some flicks and ill lay off you once and for all.
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 07:25 AM
oh, and finally.....
when you lived here and did nothing but paint the same chill spots over and over..you were so busy being "abstract" that you tried to clown TIEONE THR for biting TWIST.
maybe you should pay a bit more attention the skematics of your city and worry less about other peoples haters....
and if you dont like my comments, maybe you shouldnt make yours on a message board that is fairly public.
muahahahahhahhhhhhhhhhahahahhahahahahahahahahaha
thanks seeking.....reading you clown yourself was some good shit.
if your freinds hit transits, respect. hell, if you hit transits respect.
but..........aww fuggit......
Tikriminal
09-26-2002, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by ZedIsDed
clearly. your an aussie transit bitch.
got it in one ;)
PHRIZATENIGGUHER
09-26-2002, 10:36 AM
damn..u fucking losers..get a fucking life...fuckin suckers........yeah you paint in other places...ill still whoop your ass..bottom line...end of story..u fuckin pansy ass fag
imported_sixteenvandals
09-26-2002, 11:19 AM
heres the unabridged reason why I edit my photos.
the internet is non archival. this forum and any other website is strictly not going to last more than a few years. it isnt like 10 years from now i can pull these flicks off then net to show some new writers.
the point is...they are MY flicks so how in the hell are you going to tell me what to do with them?
i show it just to say "i am active right now"
thats the only reason. i mean come on, everyone has seen my stuff, it isnt a big mystery whats under the black box.
if you all dont want censored pics, then post yours the way you choose to.
and seeking, the one difference is that people are talking shit about me and my work. with you they are just talking shit about things you say. big difference.
16v.
imported_sixteenvandals
09-26-2002, 11:22 AM
am i wrong glass etch or did you say that seeking lived in the bay area?
wierd!?
16.
Abracadabra
09-26-2002, 12:14 PM
hahahaha, this is hilarious. go grey, keep rippin the trains and rippin the haters
vynlone
09-26-2002, 12:44 PM
I have heard of Grey and I live in the UK. nuff said mate...
Nice tube you blanked out...they are your flics 16v do what the fuck you want with them son!
Subwaynet
09-26-2002, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by seeking
"every city i have been to i did properly BY MYSELF"
the problem with graffiti, is that its a sewing circle. everyone knows everyone elses business and everyone is only 1 person away from eachother... either of us could make one phone call, and be in touch with the other. which is cool, because it makes networking easy and ensures you a place to crash and a ride to the yard no matter what state you're in, but the downside is that people love to discuss other folks business.
Hey seek,
so waht's the problem?
I don't know who you are, and i won't dis you, but what's your problem with people talkin shit? You call it 'downside' and i think that's the key of all this thread. Ok, people talk shit, but then? Someone reply as much shit as he took, but remains all here. We live for facts over all, not for internet words, should be just for fun that we're all here talkin... but everything is outside someone's range seem to be a problem for all others. What's the problem in being bringed to a yard by a local? I do quite often with a lot of people... but as 16v noticed some posts ago, i bring people who can handle the whole action. I'd like to see ya all haters what's going on if in a yard alone, something you can't exept happens... But i guess when you'd have to choose if goin alone or stay home, you'd rather prefer the second. Here's the difference, eveyone who's in this fucking game would prefer to chill with locals, have actions togheter, know more about the city backgroung...and all those nice things, but here WHO can really manage an action by himself?
I'm sure who do his shit in his town, and know how a subway system , or a commuter system works, can do it quite everywhere (need a lot experience.)... but YOU shuold call some friends...
Will they bring you?
Please stop dissing people for a non sense.
seeking
09-26-2002, 04:52 PM
who wants to hear a story?
i lived in the bay for about two years. one of which i didnt paint at all, the other i painted chill wall spots, freights, and occasional tags and throw ups when i was in SF (which outside of work, i rarely was). glass etch seems to think that since i never crushed the bay (amusingly enough, neither did he) that makes me weak. never mind the fact i had no interest in bombing at the time, and never made any claims otherwise. he likes to brag about how he was king of sacramento back in 95. funny thing is i know people in sacto, and none of them had ever heard of him. even more amusing, is that he would brag about how he was down with those very same people. he even did it to their faces, not having any idea who they were. you see, glass etch is bipolar. he disses me on the internet one second, then sends me emails trying to be my boy, wanting to fly across the country and hang out with me the next. he trys to 'clown' me for painting with young kids. of course he wont mention that he was sending a 15 year old girl, in rome, letters telling her they should be together and that he was gonna move there and 'be' with her. no, glass etch doesnt care for the truth. the first day i met him, he was asking me to join his 'crew'. he talks a gang of shit, then bases his credibility on what his 'friends' are doing or have done. funny thing is, all of these guys are lords, a crew notoriously easy to get into, yet he has never been asked to join. huh. and the year that i hung out with him, i heard countless stories about how these very same 'friends' were hating on him. infact, they used to stamp him out all the time. i painted with him every week (the exact same chill spots he 'disses me for painting, mind you) and i never met these 'friends' of his. no, i take that back, i met them once. they were painting a production, strangely his 'friends' didnt ask him to get down, and even better, there was beef because we painted next to their production. his piece later got ragged, mine was left alone. huh. then he says that i drop names and brag about the people i hang out with. never mind the fact that he has no examples of this too show. never mind the fact that the people i hang out with, he sent emails to several times a week begging to be put down with their crew. never mind the fact that the people he claims i 'name drop' are the same people i paint with on a regular basis. never mind the fact that dude has chased me around the board for over two years, trying to talk shit to me over absolutely nothing. he begged me to 'battle him' for a year, then when i said 'lets do it' he made excuses for the remaining two months that i was in the bay. needless to say it never happend. he would tell me how i had no respect in the bay, and how EVERYONE dissed me, yet i would meet these same people who 'dissed me', and they had absolutely no idea who he was. upon further discussion they would realize "oh that kid? i dont even know that fucking kid. he gets all drunk and sends me emails asking to hang out...whatever, fuck that" he comes into situations like this, where he has absolutely no business what so ever (atleast fr8o is my boy) and acts like your cheerleader, no, better yet, he's your 'hype man'. he's the other rapper on the side of the stage that never actually does anything of any importance, he just says 'ho' sometimes, and between songs, he talks a bunch of shit about how you guys are the dopest group in the world. the best part is, he isnt even in your group, he's just some dude that got drunk and jumped up on the stage.
sweet.
now, he will reply about how i said tie's characters looked like twist bites, and how i didnt know the history of a city i didnt come up in. he'll talk about how many posts i have and how i bit 'ouija' and paint wack 'abstract' pieces. he'll brag about the time, when i was out of town for two months and he went to two of the walls i painted, and dissed my pieces. he wont of course admit that i couldnt diss his pieces, because he didnt have a single one running. he'll talk about how his boys did heavens, and the one time he asked me to go hit freeways, i declined. somehow that makes me a toy. never mind the fact what little bombing i did do, was 10 times as much as he did during the same time.
basically, he'll put up 6 posts in succession, editing each several times, talking out his ass and making things up. he'll get flustered and say 'whatever fool' thinking thats some sort of valid rebuttle. he'll brag about how he did time (the lengths of which, ive heard a wide array of) back in 95. it'll make me feel real stupid and i'll go sit in the shower and cry. it'll suck. my reputation will be ruined. oh-no. what ever shall i do.
to summarize eveything, theres no shame in getting put on, painting nothing but legals, or even hiding under your mattress from ghosts, but when you start denying the truth, thats when people start talking. ive never denied anything about myself and i've always been 100% upfront with my identity and my past. people still talk shit, i take it as a compliment and laugh. the internet is funny.
this post was brought to you by helmet and resese sticks.
fr8oholic
09-26-2002, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by FR80H0LIC
I'm jealous, slugger. I pretend to be all secretive like james bond, but it's really because my graff looks like a pile of steaming shit. but i have most of these nebraska highschool wanna be's convinced i am a secret train agent!
this is just silly...
i'm not even hating on you 16v unless it's something old that i wrote when this was a current thread. there's no reason for people to bring my name up in this. we went head to head in the other thread but who gives a shit? you don't have to like me and i don't have to like you. done.
imported_sixteenvandals
09-26-2002, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Subwaynet
Hey seek,
so waht's the problem?
I don't know who you are, and i won't dis you, but what's your problem with people talkin shit? You call it 'downside' and i think that's the key of all this thread. Ok, people talk shit, but then? Someone reply as much shit as he took, but remains all here. We live for facts over all, not for internet words, should be just for fun that we're all here talkin... but everything is outside someone's range seem to be a problem for all others. What's the problem in being bringed to a yard by a local? I do quite often with a lot of people... but as 16v noticed some posts ago, i bring people who can handle the whole action. I'd like to see ya all haters what's going on if in a yard alone, something you can't exept happens... But i guess when you'd have to choose if goin alone or stay home, you'd rather prefer the second. Here's the difference, eveyone who's in this fucking game would prefer to chill with locals, have actions togheter, know more about the city backgroung...and all those nice things, but here WHO can really manage an action by himself?
I'm sure who do his shit in his town, and know how a subway system , or a commuter system works, can do it quite everywhere (need a lot experience.)... but YOU shuold call some friends...
Will they bring you?
Please stop dissing people for a non sense.
Thanks subwaynet. at least now these stupid fucks heard it from a valid source!
they act like if a local brings you to the spot that it is not risky! i mean it isnt like if there is a raid the locals are going to get you out of trouble. every time i have painted its been like "here is the whole in the fence, or here is the tunnel door we have 10 minutes" it isnt like they say "alright if we get chased you go first and ill deal with the cops"
anyone who says its weak to paint with people is fucking idiot. i mean in ANY city that has a scene, even the locals learn from each other and talk about what yards are hot at the moment. anyone who has access to that info and doesnt use it is an idiot.
16v.
T.T Boy
09-26-2002, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by seeking
he trys to 'clown' me for painting with young kids. of course he wont mention that he was sending a 15 year old girl, in rome, letters telling her they should be together and that he was gonna move there and 'be' with her.
ahahhahahahah now who looks like the idiot. dude, you just lost the fraction of respect i had for you. now i know why you got all worked up when you found out. your a fucking tool. hahahahah oh god thats funny
Fox Mulder
09-26-2002, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
anyone who says its weak to paint with people is fucking idiot. i mean in ANY city that has a scene, even the locals learn from each other and talk about what yards are hot at the moment. anyone who has access to that info and doesnt use it is an idiot.
16v.
good point.
fr8oholic
09-26-2002, 08:34 PM
rain is great to paint in..
HOLLER.
fr8oholic
09-26-2002, 08:35 PM
EDIT
imported_tEkRoCkS
09-26-2002, 09:20 PM
im guna have to say GREY is dope and does dope shit bombs ill spots does cleans Seeking on the other hand gets no ups wheres the fucking argument!!!!!?????????
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 09:45 PM
jesus dude....you wrote a fucking novel.
ok..first things first.
when you lived in the bay..i was just getting back in to writing after completing a serious probation. i tried to get you to paint and you were to pussy to hit freeeways cause you just paid some fine.
yeah, so i fell in love with a 15 year old girl that paints hella subways. when i was 15 i was hanging out with 22 year olds. im a freak.
oh, and sac. well. me and **** and ***** and **** and ****** and **** and the crew ***** battled *** in 95 and took the whole city in one night and got respect for it. the only person i can think of you know from sac is ***** and according to him he started in 97 since i caught a felony case in 97 i wasnt up.
i have done a bit of work in the bay. i hit the 80 the 880 the 580 the 680 and actually have a shot or two running right now.
and yeah, im a little bipolar. but fine, your a wack internet fame seeking toy, and your fuggin stupid.
sheesh guy, while you live your graffiti life on the internet trynna snap on **** i live the real deal for me.
and finally fuck you dude, i rolled a commuter with my throw up on it through the fairfeild, martinez, richmond, berekley, oakland, fremont, and san jose stations in 9 mufuggin 5 so eat a dick bitch.
you got no fame in cali ever so dont talk shit on cali writers or transit writers unless you got fame in one or the other.
sheesh guy. its not a hard topic to grasp.
your a fucking famejocking retard.
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 10:03 PM
yeah, i did get dissed cause i asked via email to get in to crews.
and about that production..those arent my boys, one was my boy and we had a long history of beef going back.
and my peice getting ragged when yours didnt? did you forget i ragged a whole production with a throw up?
oh and by the way.
i paint with ***
**
**
***
and *** mostly
they painted the same spots you painted when you were here and they think you fucking suck and your style is wack.
and about the battle. i wanted to do it on rooftops in the city and you wanted to do it on a chill peicing wall.
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 10:07 PM
oh and by the way 16v.
sorry to post this petty bickering in your thread.
thanks for the space.
KING OF HELL
09-26-2002, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by GLASS*ETCH
oh and by the way 16v.
sorry to post this petty bickering in your thread.
thanks for the space.
if you push a little harder you may get your whole nose up GREY's ass.
Remi Martin
09-26-2002, 10:45 PM
my bad then.....
maybe i should be less polite.
and if seeking trys a little harder maybe he can get his shoulders up his ass with his head and his neck.
imported_sixteenvandals
09-26-2002, 10:52 PM
at least he isnt celebrating "lets hate 16 week" like everyone else!
and fr8oholic, your tone sure changed when i found out what you wrote. but i will agree that we dont need to like each other. just dont say a thing about my work. trust me i wont talk about your's either.
16.
fr8oholic
09-26-2002, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
at least he isnt celebrating "lets hate 16 week" like everyone else!
and fr8oholic, your tone sure changed when i found out what you wrote. but i will agree that we dont need to like each other. just dont say a thing about my work. trust me i wont talk about your's either.
16.
that wasn't what changed the tone, the argument has run it's course. that's why i haven't responded in email. in all honesty you've cut the arrogance down boatloads since this time last week so it looks like a wash.
bigguy
09-26-2002, 11:15 PM
Yesterday i joined Ese and had a veggie sub.
Man did my stomache ever hurt after. Im lucky for the super market cause if that wasnt there ...i dont think i would have made it!
seeking
09-27-2002, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by seeking
no shame in getting put on, but acting like your some rough and tumbly gangster about the shit, when the people that matter know the truth, just makes you look foolish. just be honest man... you've painted some cool shit and you've influenced a whole lot of people... if you would just quit presenting yourself like an asshole, you wouldnt have to deal with any of this.
when im not busy name dropping and being a toy, you can usually find me standing on the street corner trying to preach truth to the deaf...
Remi Martin
09-27-2002, 01:19 AM
well cut that shit out then. its irritating.
imported_sixteenvandals
09-27-2002, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by seeking
when im not busy name dropping and being a toy, you can usually find me standing on the street corner trying to preach truth to the deaf...
who was that directed towards?
realityblast
09-27-2002, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
who was that directed towards? seeking lives in philadelphia now.
Remi Martin
09-27-2002, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by seeking
who wants to hear a story?
he likes to brag about how he was king of sacramento back in 95. funny thing is i know people in sacto, and none of them had ever heard of him. even more amusing, is that he would brag about how he was down with those very same people. he even did it to their faces, not having any idea who they were.
* allright dude, i didnt read this shit the first time. if i made that much of a an ass out myself. you needa name some names. my crew and the crew that grew out of that both being defacing motherland america crazy white boy style killers ran that shit in 95. if you name names ill clown my self if its true.
you see, glass etch is bipolar
*by polar and paid for it bitch
.., then sends me emails trying to be my boy, wanting to fly across the country and hang out with me the next.
* i was trying to apologize and put a positive foot forward for maybe hationg on you a litte overzealousy. and fuck you punk, my crewmate attends grad school there bitch.
he trys to 'clown' me for
painting with young kids. of course he wont mention that he was sending a 15 year old girl, in rome, letters telling her they should be together and that he was gonna move there and 'be' with her.
* you dude if you bringin that up then you was all up in biz not yours and besides she said she was sixteen and i said i would prolly get there when she was almost 18. really, fuck off for that one bitch.
no, glass etch doesnt care for the truth. the first day i met him, he was asking me to join his 'crew'.
* i tried to start a crew with you to aquire some fame since we were painting together. not an unheard of idea.
he talks a gang of shit, then bases his credibility on what his 'friends' are doing or have done. funny thing is, all of these guys are lords, a crew notoriously easy to get into, yet he has never been asked to join. huh.
*hmmm.....i dont base my credibility on my freinds any more than you. if you think Lords is easy to get into i got some people you could discuss that with. i paint with X LORDS AND GRAFF LIFE.
and the year that i hung out with him, i heard countless stories about how these very same 'friends' were hating on him. infact, they used to stamp him out all the time. i painted with him every week (the exact same chill spots he 'disses me for painting, mind you) and i never met these 'friends' of his. no, i take that back, i met them once. they were painting a production, strangely his 'friends' didnt ask him to get down, and even better, there was beef because we painted next to their production. his piece later got ragged, mine was left alone.
allright fool. shit was diff in 99 last time i saw my freinds. your talking about two seperate sets of freinds. and the prod. there was friction over was some bullshit. i should of just gone over the whole thing instead of nipping his shit that ran unfinished for a week in a yard that was not his.
and my shit getting ragged? i recall ragging a down ass motherfuckers prod cause i didnt get flicks of my shit. i took out a three person prod. with a throw up and caught beef for it for almost to years.
huh. then he says that i drop names and brag about the people i hang out with. never mind the fact that he has no examples of this too show. never mind the fact that the people i hang out with, he sent emails to several times a week begging to be put down with their crew. never mind the fact that the people he claims i 'name drop' are the same people i paint with on a regular basis. never mind the fact that dude has chased me around the board for over two years, trying to talk shit to me over absolutely nothing. he begged me to 'battle him' for a year, then when i said 'lets do it' he made excuses for the remaining two months that i was in the bay. needless to say it never happend. he would tell me how i had no respect in the bay, and how EVERYONE dissed me, yet i would meet these same people who 'dissed me', and they had absolutely no idea who he was. upon further discussion they would realize "oh that kid? i dont even know that fucking kid. he gets all drunk and sends me emails asking to hang out..
* think i covered all this bullshit in my other respnose.
my bad for trying to rebuild a bridge i burned.
.whatever, fuck that" he comes into situations like this, where he has absolutely no business what so ever (atleast fr8o is my boy) and acts like your cheerleader, no, better yet, he's your 'hype man'. he's the other rapper on the side of the stage that never actually does anything of any importance, he just says 'ho' sometimes, and between songs, he talks a bunch of shit about how you guys are the dopest group in the world. the best part is, he isnt even in your group, he's just some dude that got drunk and jumped up on the stage.
sweet.
* bitch its a message board. my opinion is just as valid as yours.
now, he will reply about how i said tie's characters looked like twist bites, and how i didnt know the history of a city i didnt come up in. he'll talk about how many posts i have and how i bit 'ouija' and paint wack 'abstract' pieces. he'll brag about the time, when i was out of town for two months and he went to two of the walls i painted, and dissed my pieces. he wont of course admit that i couldnt diss his pieces, because he didnt have a single one running. he'll talk about how his boys did heavens, and the one time he asked me to go hit freeways, i declined. somehow that makes me a toy. never mind the fact what little bombing i did do, was 10 times as much as he did during the same time.
basically, he'll put up 6 posts in succession, editing each several times, talking out his ass and making things up. he'll get flustered and say 'whatever fool' thinking thats some sort of valid rebuttle. he'll brag about how he did time (the lengths of which, ive heard a wide array of) back in 95. it'll make me feel real stupid and i'll go sit in the shower and cry. it'll suck. my reputation will be ruined. oh-no. what ever shall i do.
to summarize eveything, theres no shame in getting put on, painting nothing but legals, or even hiding under your mattress from ghosts, but when you start denying the truth, thats when people start talking. ive never denied anything about myself and i've always been 100% upfront with my identity and my past. people still talk shit, i take it as a compliment and laugh. the internet is funny.
this post was brought to you by helmet and resese sticks.
* your a bitch. i put in work last summer. i put in more work last year than the year before and more work this year than last. since im not retiring for good anytime soon.
eat a dick you internet writing ho bag skeezer.
*SIZEROKS*
09-27-2002, 04:52 AM
AND THESE ARE THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES.......
seeking
09-27-2002, 06:21 AM
grey,
honestly, theres really nothing else that needs to be said. you know i wasnt dissing you. hell, i admitted that i liked your stuff, and that you've made a huge contribution to graffiti. our 'argument' was not about graffiti though, it was about attitude and you know whether or not the stuff i said was valid, regardless of how you react to it publicly. thats all that matters. if not for attention deprived morons instigating, none of this would have gone down like it did. be sure thank him next time you see him. oh wait, you have no idea who he is? but you guys live within walking distance from one another. you mean you've never seen him up? huh... weird...
did he really just call me a ho bag skeezer?
am i gonna get shot for my air jordans next?
Remi Martin
09-27-2002, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by seeking
grey,
if not for attention deprived morons instigating, none of this would have gone down like it did.
* none of what fool. i clowned you on nothing more than you said from the get go. i brought up old shit in context of a comparison you made.
be sure thank him next time you see him. oh wait, you have no idea who he is?
*hey grey, im shy to tell you who i am. im sure i will meet you one day through random circumstances which is how i have met 95% of writers i know.
but you guys live within walking distance from one another. you mean you've never seen him up? huh... weird...
*shut up fool.
did he really just call me a ho bag skeezer?
* no, i called you an internet writing ho bag skeezer cause you write more on the net than you do on the streets and skeeze like a ho bag off other writers fame.
am i gonna get shot for my air jordans next?
* bitch please, like you could afford jordans.
RAGSOE
09-27-2002, 08:52 AM
man, all you fucking little internet fucks couldn't fucking touch my man, please stop playing yourselves its getting damn annoying. real heads, you know who i'm talking about, we live this shit in life, not on a key board. bring it to him and get served or be a man, or little boys i'm guessing, and shut the fuck up. now i'm fucking pissed, fucks! this is directed towards those who don't know shit. all real writers, you know who you are, stay up............i fucking hate the internet
Subwaynet
09-27-2002, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
Thanks subwaynet. at least now these stupid fucks heard it from a valid source!
Thanks for the 'valid source'.
I just wrote what it's going on in here and what i think they should know..
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
they act like if a local brings you to the spot that it is not risky! i mean it isnt like if there is a raid the locals are going to get you out of trouble. every time i have painted its been like "here is the whole in the fence, or here is the tunnel door we have 10 minutes" it isnt like they say "alright if we get chased you go first and ill deal with the cops"
The usual situation... people have to choose if doin shit and risk some, or stay home and pay what's done...
Remember..no risk, no fun!
Originally posted by sixteenvandals
anyone who says its weak to paint with people is fucking idiot. i mean in ANY city that has a scene, even the locals learn from each other and talk about what yards are hot at the moment. anyone who has access to that info and doesnt use it is an idiot.
Yes, that's true, but i prefer if locals manage theirself spots for painting...here lot of people just move cause someone heard at the shop that guy telling a story about that spot....and so on...we call them the 'giraffes' ...they grow up with a so long neck to hear all them speakin about yards... and obviously these are the toys makin bullshits in the spots.
de la cruz
09-27-2002, 01:25 PM
All you cunts need to shut your fucking mouths, Grey is your finest export...and thats my word.
T.T Boy
09-27-2002, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by GLASS*ETCH
she aint a bitch. i fucking dare you to say it too my face. dont play like your hard. ask the last fool what happend when he said some shit like that.
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