Wholetrains

[imported_Europe]

European transit rocked till the ultimate limit...

[img]http://digilander.iol.it/inscrew/wc/inswt.gif'>

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/huh/nptrains/germany/berlin1996wt.jpg'>

[img]http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~nilsp/wholesub.jpg'>

[img]http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/gangbangkees/wholetr.jpg'>

[fr8oholic]

SICK TUFF DUTY STATUS

[Wilt]

supa duty tuff werk.indeed.

[THEMEDIC]

well done

[beard]

T>U>F>F

[THE LAW]

living the dream

[ASER1NE]

damn , thats messed .

[T.T Boy]

super duty tuff work

[boogie hands]

butterslapable post as usual......i know youve got a kegr wholetrain laying around for the boogie though right?;)

[railroadjerk]

that berlin wholetrain was one of the first graffiti flix i saw on the internet, i still have it saved on my computer from then...fucking amazing.

[imported_BullFROG]

shiby

[imported_iSLEEPwithMIDGETS]

siiiiiiiiiiick

[imported_PaperbackWriter]

thats schmoove

[platapie]

i dont really liek alot of euro but thats pretty cool

[fr8oholic]

Originally posted by platapie
i dont really liek alot of euro but thats pretty cool

consider yourself schooled...

[Ted Wakowski]

Savages ... pure fuckin savages.

Really good shit.

[Abstract Rationality]

i think all the cops and security guards moved to Chicago....left europe a playground for kids and cans....

[imported_Europe]

Originally posted by boogie hands
butterslapable post as usual......i know youve got a kegr wholetrain laying around for the boogie though right?;)

I aint putting that online, get a copy of Magic Moments #4...

[imported_Europe]

Heres a few more to keep you entertained...

[img]http://members.tripod.com/~wantedmagazine/trains/wholetrain.jpg'>

[img]http://www.reserve07.sk/artattack/vlaky/12/wholetrain.jpg'>

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/trains/7sivswhs_wholetrain_1999.jpg'>

[blackhearts]

i have a book with the berlin trains...

[imported_IVO AKM KILLERZ]

Originally posted by platapie
i dont really liek alot of euro but thats pretty cool

what kind of stupid reply is this????? where the fuck are your wholetrains or even tags on trains mate????

[mental invalid]

...that first car is spectacular.....i dig all the different styles of "s" on each one....simple silver too....


europe whats the basic public perception of graf on trains over there? i mean i know its illegal, but i always envision the european public being more open to it then say the american public....but maybe thats just me sterotyping....either way its so fresh....

[imported_Europe]

I think its about the same worldwide, people generaly hate tags and bombing but some see burners on the outside as art. But the politicians and the media have had a huge impact on the general publics feeling about graff by denouncecing it all as vandalism, now alot of people think that too... cause they have been brainwashed by politicain and the media.
Whatever, it will never go away...:D

[imported_SKUMBALUCKAH]

wholey moley!

:D :D :D :D

[87centHitMan]

what kind of stupid reply is this????? where the fuck are your wholetrains or even tags on trains mate????

I know what he means. I think some of the styles overseas are a little funny sometimes. It's mainly just different than all of the typical u.s. graff. It's kind of a sillier, simpler style, not so many wildstyles. But that's not bad, though. It's just different than typical american style. They can really rock some shit. I give 'em props. They definitely kill passenger trains, which is something that's pretty much, if not completely nonexistent in the us. I like it.

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by IVO AKM KILLERZ


what kind of stupid reply is this????? where the fuck are your wholetrains or even tags on trains mate????

anytime someone brings something up about not liking euro shit you seem to always resort back to "americans don't hit transit." this has been debated on here for so long. people here don't see commuter trains as a big target. there are people in california risking their lives doing bridge spots and heavens. and i know some people are doing the same in europe with trains. its not that those people are afraid to do commuter trains, its that they aren't into them.

[boogie hands]

Originally posted by Europe


I aint putting that online, get a copy of Magic Moments #4...

hahha....you already sent me one dunny....:D

[imported_SecretAgentX9]

sick post europe. that is some incredible work. can't say i've ever seen a whole train done before (until now).:eek:

[BISHOP]

that first shot is rediculous!!!!!!! i would give my left nut to rock one of those (who needs two)... very impressive indeed

[sober]

if i saw something like that rolling i would lose my voice from yelling!!!from someone that loves doing wholecars, this shit gave me a cold shiver just looking at this. thanks...

[R123N]

any one have any kobalt whole car fliks?

[oath.NYC]

this is probally a dumb question but could someone post the LEE whole train???? thanx.........pioce

[footsoldier]

europe is fuckin nuts...

[misonoperso]

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/eyegasm/big/h/hemo-verme-vogue-wc01.jpg'>

[TEE_rase_war]

crazy euro's

B U M P

[willy.wonka]

definition of badical!

[TECONE SW]

Def. some hot ass flicks... :eek:

[MyTeeMexican]

how long do these trains usually run for Europe?? Are the trains where you live still running with graff or do they have them in check now like NYC subway cars?

[SE4_2002]

Your lucky if train runs for more than a day over here, especially on tubes. Replying to that dude who mentioned about writer`s over there (U.S) not into commuter trains, thats bollox!!!!!!!!!! Thats where it started thats where it should stay.. I mean respect to people like Cope who does the occasional panel!! YOu just don`t get the same kinda buzz doing anything else. Personally I love going to at149st and seeing those old flix man, thats what it`s all about!! Loved Min`s stuff he rocked the spot!!!

[T.T Boy]

look at that vogue.
this is the defination of savage.

[imported_IVO AKM KILLERZ]

bump ske

[SerOneADC]

wow!...shit's off the hook!...i wish we had trains like that around here...we gotta do something about that.

[cdz]

so many whole cars! god damn! good post.

[twofish]

how big? sooooo big!

[imported_Europe]

Somebody scanned Magic Moments... so here is some more wholetrains...

[img]http://home.no/bigbone/moawholetrain.jpg'>
8 car wholetrain Copenhagen S-train

[img]http://home.no/bigbone/moawholetrain2.jpg'>
8 car wholetrain Copenhagen S-train

[img]http://home.no/bigbone/shutthefuckup.jpg'>
Shut the fuck up 4 car wholetrain Copenhagen S-train

[img]http://stue.servebeer.com/checks/uploaded//graff/Goofy_Wholetrain.jpg'>
Goofy 4 car wholetrain Copenhagen S-train

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Go Europe Go.

[SE4_2002]

Fucking fantastic!! Thats what you call a slap in the face!!

[imported_SKUMBALUCKAH]

Two thumbs fresh!! [img]http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb/icons/icon26.gif'> [img]http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb/icons/icon26.gif'>
:dazed:

[CRYrock81]

Originally posted by platapie
i dont really liek alot of euro but thats pretty cool


i feel the same way;)

[imported_Rebus]

Damn! I had almost forgotten about that goofy wholetrain, it just blows me away every time I see it

[imported_b0b]

What's the deal with the Goofy? Is that a one man thing or a crew effort?

[mental invalid]

there are few things in life that are certain:

death
taxes
europes flicks being off the fucking chain.....:eek:



"shut the fuck up".......classic


A+

[head fuck]

Has anyone got flicks of the mirror wholetrain attached to the goofy one? I've never seen that in any mag, just on video.

[imported_Europe]

The Goofy is a one man job.
Next to it was another 4 cars, one man job by another norwegian, but I couldnt get flicks cause there was a train parked infront of it. It was an 8 car wholetrain, but only 4 flickable cars.

The "Shut the fuck up" train came about this way, a bunch of writers was smoking and chilling and wanted to do something big but they couldnt decide what. I told them do a "Shut the fuck up"-train and they just kept talking about what to write... Next morning, Thek dragged me to the mainstation to catch flicks, my jaw dropped and I started laughing...
By the way, the 4 car-"Shut the fuck up"-wholetrain and the "Goofy and friend" 8 car wholetrain was done on the same night in two different yards. I guess they had to do some overtime in the buff the following days...

[imported_evilistic]

blown away

[imported_b0b]

Originally posted by Europe

By the way, the 4 car-"Shut the fuck up"-wholetrain and the "Goofy and friend" 8 car wholetrain was done on the same night in two different yards. I guess they had to do some overtime in the buff the following days...

I love hearing stories like that! Many thanks for sharing that with us Europe.

[IRonE_gee]

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[MR.POTATO]

wowersssssssssss....:D :D :D :D :D

[Vlad]

all these WT`s are stuffed with style and dopeness

[T.T Boy]

ive just begun to see this type of shit, i saw a whole car running thru frankfurt main yesterday and i nearly shit my pants, this type of shit is insane, if you hate on this, your a tool. these yards are locked up tight. buump

[imported_b0b]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
ive just begun to see this type of shit, i saw a whole car running thru frankfurt main yesterday and i nearly shit my pants, this type of shit is insane

Now you have experienced it, you know why we go crazy for it. Nothing beats seeing fresh pieces pull into a station like that.

[Rodney Trotter]

Nice nice nice! I love graffiti:love:

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

TT, consider yourself converted. Now think about if it was your panel running. How would that make you feel?

[Hated Pigeon]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
ive just begun to see this type of shit, i saw a whole car running thru frankfurt main yesterday and i nearly shit my pants, this type of shit is insane, if you hate on this, your a tool. these yards are locked up tight. buump

Bit more exciting than those dirty old freights eh?

[head fuck]

When I saw my first wholetrain pull in to the station I was rather excited, but now it´s become somewhat of a routine. The satisfaction seems to have faded.

So now my only joy is in the painting of the wholetrain. I try only to do 8 cars because 4 cars are for toys, and instead of doing them in the yard in the nighttime I try and get them done at a backjump spot or a daytime layup, and I´d much rather use my trusted ladder than some fancy platform!

Oh wait, was that my imagination taking over again? Nah, couldn´t have been.

[imported_FR8 LIFE]

Originally posted by misonoperso
[img]http://www.graffiti.org/eyegasm/big/h/hemo-verme-vogue-wc01.jpg'>

i like the back round better than the train :P

[DITDxCULT]

Boozr
<img src=http://www.deadinthedirt.com/tb/images/BoozrWholeCar.jpg>

Cake
<img src=http://www.deadinthedirt.com/tb/images/cakewholecar.jpg>

[bigguy]

Sweet Love!

[NATO]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
ive just begun to see this type of shit, i saw a whole car running thru frankfurt main yesterday and i nearly shit my pants, this type of shit is insane, if you hate on this, your a tool. these yards are locked up tight. buump

jesus TT your not twiddling your thumbs on the euro tour where you going next??

[keep]

that shit rules, we need some shit like that here

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

I like how when there is a thread on EUROPEAN WHOLETRAINS, some idiot has to put some freight wholecars on. There is no comparison. One car done with roll paint versus a four or eight car WHOLE TRAIN done with spraypaint. Two different ballgames fella.

Yoo dont see the european guys putting European trains on the freight threads do you?

[imported_SKUMBALUCKAH]

Yeah come off it with the wholeCAR freights!

[img]http://www.zazzle.com/assets/designs/processed/shirts/H5EADM3VL9S92M1F00NGS4SM37P7E059/preview'> [img]http://www.zazzle.com/assets/designs/processed/shirts/F827LUVNU1SR2MHD00NGS4SM3XG888UF/thumb_front.jpg'>

[imported_Europe]

PAYBACK!!!

[img]http://medlem.spray.se/grisfest/sub/payback.jpg'>

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Where is that Europe?

[imported_SKUMBALUCKAH]

Bump for the big payback!

I believe it's the Stockholm subway..

[imported_Europe]

Yeah, its the new models on the Stockholm subway.

[..oX..]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
super duty tuff work

i dunno what that means but i heard it in a song so yeah!

that shit is bonkers.

[imported_sixteenvandals]

that the infamous PAYBACK train where they hijacked the train right?

hearing about that PAYBACK mission made me ambitious enough to hit my local metro which never gets painted. thanks for the inspiration stockholm maniacs!

[imported_b0b]

[img]http://medlem.spray.se/grisfest/commuter/wholezoom.jpg'>

[imported_Europe]

I can see that my links gets put to good use, well if you want big stuff then check...

www.hownosm.com (http://www.hownosm.com) , 'nuff said!

Somebody figure out how to post flicks from that site...

[Vlad]

^^
damn that site is one of the dopest i have seen in a long time, thx for the link.
I dont think its possible to post flix from the site cause the whole site is made with flash

[fr8oholic]

how and nosm are definitely high filootin...

[T.T Boy]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
TT, consider yourself converted. Now think about if it was your panel running. How would that make you feel?


well, it IS an amazing feeling. damn, im so converted. nevere going back. ever.

tt/clean train addict oner

[Hated Pigeon]

Originally posted by Europe
I can see that my links gets put to good use, well if you want big stuff then check...

www.hownosm.com (http://www.hownosm.com) , 'nuff said!

Somebody figure out how to post flicks from that site...

Their trains are so much nicer than their walls.

Pair of weirdo's though......

[Tikriminal]

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/trains/phoe_whs_phesh_whs_shah_whs.jpg'>


just found this

[dukeofyork]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
ive just begun to see this type of shit, i saw a whole car running thru frankfurt main yesterday and i nearly shit my pants, this type of shit is insane, if you hate on this, your a tool. these yards are locked up tight. buump


if i had a wholecar on any freight rolling on the elevated lines of richmond, id shit myself. i dont have any wholecars under my belt yet though. i still give the holier than thou clean train writers the middle finger. they can do what they like over wherever the fuck they are, but the second they throw it in my face and say this is the real shit, if you aint doing this, you aint shit...they can SUCK ME OFF. its kinda like the "come on, all the cool kids are doing it..."

ive said it once, and ill say it again......i have no clean trains in my area. believe me, if i get the chance to hit one, i will. until then, im keepin it gutter...painting my dirty freights....more people see them over here than clean trains anyway.

:rolleyes:

chosethinksthiswholecleantrainversefreighttraindeb ateisgettingoldoner..

[Tikriminal]

Originally posted by chozer



if i had a wholecar on any freight rolling on the elevated lines of richmond, id shit myself. i dont have any wholecars under my belt yet though. i still give the holier than thou clean train writers the middle finger. they can do what they like over wherever the fuck they are, but the second they throw it in my face and say this is the real shit, if you aint doing this, you aint shit...they can SUCK ME OFF. its kinda like the "come on, all the cool kids are doing it..."

ive said it once, and ill say it again......i have no clean trains in my area. believe me, if i get the chance to hit one, i will. until then, im keepin it gutter...painting my dirty freights....more people see them over here than clean trains anyway.

:rolleyes:

chosethinksthiswholecleantrainversefreighttraindeb ateisgettingoldoner..


maybe if you dont make an issue of it and bring it up then it wont be an issue?

[MULIT]

hot shit. moas= inspiring

[LIL RED EYES]

Originally posted by DITDxCULT
Boozr
<img src=http://www.deadinthedirt.com/tb/images/BoozrWholeCar.jpg>

Cake
<img src=http://www.deadinthedirt.com/tb/images/cakewholecar.jpg>


god this shit sucks compared to everything else on this thread? America has lost the war of graff

[JIB37]

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/dj/tubes/1/large/wt1.jpg'>

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/dj/tubes/1/large/wt2.jpg'>

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/dj/tubes/1/large/wt3.jpg'>

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/dj/tubes/1/large/wt4.jpg'>

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/dj/tubes/1/large/wt5.jpg'>

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/dj/tubes/1/large/wt6.jpg'>

Of somebody else is going to keep bumping this thread without adding content, I guess I'll have to. Digital Jungle mid-80s shit. Best I can do for now.

[plo]

viva brazil

[SIVIK]

The how-nosm link is super fresh!So many quality trains.

[Subwaynet]

These are 3 wt stolen directly from my mag...
Only the first half parts...i'll post the others 3 later...

[img]http://www.life2web.com/files/communities/mcg/pics/WTparte1.jpg'>
Milan..Redline
[img]http://www.life2web.com/files/communities/daze/pics/WT01part1_final.jpg'>
Stockholm...
[img]http://www.life2web.com/files/communities/mcg/pics/WT_B_part1.jpg'>
Rome..B line


by the way..16v..really nobody ever hitted SF subway?

[opie'm]

Originally posted by LIL RED EYES



god this shit sucks compared to everything else on this thread? America has lost the war of graff

I will agree that these really dont belong in a whole train thread, but I dont think thats the best way of putting it. sure they are both big, and they are both graff, but one is a piece and one is a roller. Comparing a piece to a roller is like comparing apples to oranges. It is next to impossible to paint a whole autorack with spray paint, and it is just pointless to paint a whole train with rollers because it is easier to do it with spray paint. I personally have more respect for the wholecars then a lot of these whole trains, but comparing the two is stupid.

[imported_b0b]

Originally posted by Subwaynet

[img]http://www.life2web.com/files/communities/daze/pics/WT01part1_final.jpg'>

Is that DTeeS by the DTS crew?

[imported_b0b]

Stolen.. London Commuter action

[img]http://www.geocities.com/graffitijunkiesmp3/WHOLECAR.jpg'>

[Dexter]

This thread is hot! thanks to everyone who posted flicks.

[Subwaynet]

Originally posted by crazeeb0b


Is that DTeeS by the DTS crew?

yes..

[dukeofyork]

Originally posted by Tikriminal



maybe if you dont make an issue of it and bring it up then it wont be an issue?


hey fuckface, yall come into freight threads and joke on freights all the time.



so EAT A FUCKING DICK.

[CRone]

Originally posted by sixteenvandals
that the infamous PAYBACK train where they hijacked the train right?

hearing about that PAYBACK mission made me ambitious enough to hit my local metro which never gets painted. thanks for the inspiration stockholm maniacs!



whats the deal with the payback train?


I never heard of it.

[imported_locationtwelve]

Bumping up with oldish (97) flick of some London action.

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/dj/wt.jpg'>

[imported_Europe]

Nice one L12

[jack handy]

that yard shot has mass appeal

[mOrPncB]

seiko dts = :king: .............nuff said.

[JusYouANdEye]

LOS def THreAts

[imported_locationtwelve]

Crazeebob tried to post this earlier in the thread but it was hosted on geocities so wasn't showing. I pilfered it from http://www.geocities.com/graffitijunkies/ and slung it onto a server that works ....

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/dj/private/wtd.jpg'>

[T.T Boy]

love that poison wholecar.... ahh the days of the b line

[fr8oholic]

THAT PAYBACK IS SILLY RUGGED FOR STOCKHOLM...

[T.T Boy]

Originally posted by fr8oholic
THAT PAYBACK IS SILLY RUGGED FOR STOCKHOLM...

i was thinking the same thing

[SIVIK]

Yo location 12 what country is that flik taken in?

Farken freshhhhh!!!!!!!!

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by SIVIK
Yo location 12 what country is that flik taken in?

Farken freshhhhh!!!!!!!!


England...


Thats the first time i`ve actually seen that,heard a lot about it, damn thats like 5 cars, fuck mine!!!

[SIVIK]

Ok.Are all the writers from the UK?Dam that train is fresh!

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by SIVIK
Ok.Are all the writers from the UK?Dam that train is fresh!


Sure are, i`ve never seen anything like that before done over here..

[catwash]

Originally posted by se_FOUR
Sure are, i`ve never seen anything like that before done over here..

who's that on the far left?? is he English too?

[imported_locationtwelve]

On the left of that 5 carriage hit is Tchais.

[Hated Pigeon]

Originally posted by se_FOUR



Sure are, i`ve never seen anything like that before done over here..

Skag and zims have been doing those floating wholecars.

[imported_evileats]

Originally posted by chozer



hey fuckface, yall come into freight threads and joke on freights all the time.



so EAT A FUCKING DICK.

Whoa, someone's a little bitter. Take it easy....go relax and paint a freight!

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by Hated Pigeon


Skag and zims have been doing those floating wholecars.

I was refering to the 5 car whole train..

[Hated Pigeon]

Originally posted by se_FOUR


I was refering to the 5 car whole train..

Yeah, cool. Just refering to the positioning of the pieces, not seen that often in this country.

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by Hated Pigeon


Yeah, cool. Just refering to the positioning of the pieces, not seen that often in this country.

Good point..

[imported_Europe]

A lot of chrome....
[img]http://www.hannoverflow.com/images/pics/trains/1009986091cnkwhole.jpg'>

Stolen from: http://www.hannoverflow.com/

[imported_Europe]

From www.hardlines.de (http://www.hardlines.de)

[img]http://www.hardlines.de/WC/wc01-10.jpg'>

[seven.13]

Good lord.

[drug]

that's a hell of a lot of work for the buffers.....

[The Moemsta!]

panels will be posted and drugs will b taken i dont understnad ne thing cuz im a goose and so is the og next to me!!!
hmmm.....

[Butterscotch]

graffiti employs soo many people, it gives jobs to immigrants and other people who would probably be on nthe dole, ie buffers, it also gives older people a contravertial topic to bag teenagers for and provides eye candy all along the train line.
Just think, every time you do a tag, you can say to yourself " I create jobs, I'm helping put food on the table for someone out there."
HAHAHAHAHAHA

[TUSL]

fuk man euro styles to tha fullest
crazy muthas
peace :weed:

[imported_b0b]

off of www.Railway-Rockerz.de

[img]http://www.rawrebelz.com/railwayrockerz/gross/t11inter.jpg'>

[imported_Europe]

From Eyegasm

[img]http://www.artcrimes.com/eyegasm/big/f/feliz-navidad-wc01.jpg'>
Madrid subway...

[tdoter]

WOW!!!! i am converted, those whole trains gave me an orgasm...lol..i have nt seen trains painted like that in north america since frickin new york subways int e 70's and even then it doesnt compare to the style that these cats have...and to put a bug in your head, a wholecar takes over 20 cans.....ive done it, but imagine how many cans for a WHOLE train, thats ALOT of racking!

[fr8yardjunky]

I always try to keep an open mind about other peoples graf,but most euro not all but the majority is just not appealing to me at all.:spent:

[escapeMELB]

holy fucking crap these trains are nuts :) :) :)

[escapeMELB]

Has anyone got good photos of that wholetrain that SDM did?

[Locofanclub]

Originally posted by SE4_2002
Your lucky if train runs for more than a day over here, especially on tubes. Replying to that dude who mentioned about writer`s over there (U.S) not into commuter trains, thats bollox!!!!!!!!!! Thats where it started thats where it should stay.. I mean respect to people like Cope who does the occasional panel!! YOu just don`t get the same kinda buzz doing anything else. Personally I love going to at149st and seeing those old flix man, thats what it`s all about!! Loved Min`s stuff he rocked the spot!!!
SE4, this thread needs a bOb injection! Im sure he could muster up a few prize assets:)

[imported_Europe]

[img]http://www.graffiti.ag/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/Trains/Train13.jpg'>

[swiss cheese]

Very sick, and inspiring!
But, if the Europeans are so much harder/dedicated than Americans why dont they travel over here and take over? Show us how its done. I dont see it happening.

[T.T Boy]

Originally posted by swiss cheese
Very sick, and inspiring!
But, if the Europeans are so much harder/dedicated than Americans why dont they travel over here and take over? Show us how its done. I dont see it happening.


check out the new issue of terrorist magazine. then youll see.

[Locofanclub]

Originally posted by swiss cheese
Very sick, and inspiring!
But, if the Europeans are so much harder/dedicated than Americans why dont they travel over here and take over? Show us how its done. I dont see it happening. A quick check of the last issue of Xplicit Grafix, would show a few bits of SDK madness, on the NYC Subway.

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by swiss cheese
Very sick, and inspiring!
But, if the Europeans are so much harder/dedicated than Americans why dont they travel over here and take over? Show us how its done. I dont see it happening.



I think more Europeans have hit the NYC subway in the last few years than you think mate.. Seriously ask around..

[imported_b0b]

Originally posted by se_FOUR
I think more Europeans have hit the NYC subway in the last few years than you think mate.. Seriously ask around..

Don't forget the Aussies too.

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by crazeeb0b
Don't forget the Aussies too.


I`m trying to forget about them wankers thank you..I got up at 3am for the first of the one dayers..Waste of time that was..

[Locofanclub]

Originally posted by crazeeb0b
Don't forget the Aussies too. Its impossiable too at the moment......THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!

[swiss cheese]

I think more Europeans have hit the NYC subway in the last few years than you think mate.. Seriously ask around..
yeah i lived in nyc for a bit recently and didnt see anything running. They may hit the trains but they get buffed quick and hard. thats why the americans stick mostly to the streets now. i'm not starting shit and i love what is going on over seas i just dont see it here. i dont have any of those magazines everyone recommended. painting just for flicks sucks.....i'd rather see something run for awhile.

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by swiss cheese
yeah i lived in nyc for a bit recently and didnt see anything running. They may hit the trains but they get buffed quick and hard. thats why the americans stick mostly to the streets now. i'm not starting shit and i love what is going on over seas i just dont see it here. i dont have any of those magazines everyone recommended. painting just for flicks sucks.....i'd rather see something run for awhile.


I don`t see shit run on subs here either, doesnt mean they don`t get done.. Well Xmas is nearly here, you never know your might catch a glimpse of something..

[threse]

dam yo, word to myself......
w/e

eh?
yo i remeber back on the discovery chanel a few years ago, when those euro trains were the newest shitm....ha! now there all fucked up yo. thats some shit.
to them it was a new form of transportation,

fuk. but to us its just another canvas fo us to drop bombs on yall.

[Tikriminal]

Originally posted by swiss cheese
Very sick, and inspiring!
But, if the Europeans are so much harder/dedicated than Americans why dont they travel over here and take over? Show us how its done. I dont see it happening.


why would you want to leave europe when its that good? its like seen leaving new york in the 80's...

[MR BANOS]

Originally posted by Tikriminal
why would you want to leave europe when its that good? its like seen leaving new york in the 80's...

thats some hardcore generalisation you got going there.

[Tikriminal]

Originally posted by hozey jones
thats some hardcore generalisation you got going there.



why, thankyou :D

[BigJoe]

im sure some places in europe are hard too...this is a bit of a sweeping statment

[spacemanspif]

some of those last pics were just crazy...

[imported_some pittsburgh flavor]

personally, i think it would be hilarious to send over two crates of quick color silver and black to EuroGraffiti Central (wherever that is), and a bag of stock caps, and then see what the finished "whole clean train" would look like

[imported_Europe]

^^
And what would be hilariuos about it?
Yes, Europe has good paint now, but we also had bad paint for many years before that.
We also had stock caps for many years, now we have better caps.
Things got done hwen the paint and caps were shit and they get done now that things have improved.

[WOTUP]

Any decent writer knows its the technique not alwayz the paint/caps.

[Locofanclub]

Originally posted by se_FOUR
I don`t see shit run on subs here either, doesnt mean they don`t get done.. Well Xmas is nearly here, you never know your might catch a glimpse of something.. You might see something at xmas......trainspotting on the 28th are we SE 4? :confused:

[spottybot]

best whole train i,ve seen was by kegr
chrome and red it was 4 carriages long
i think i seen in xg mag.....dope as fuck

[fr8oholic]

how can you hate on super fat caps and silver that covers?

[imported_Europe]

Originally posted by spottybot
best whole train i,ve seen was by kegr
chrome and red it was 4 carriages long
i think i seen in xg mag.....dope as fuck

It was in Magic Momnets #4

It was also posted here several times... sacnned from the mag.

[Locofanclub]

Originally posted by spottybot
best whole train i,ve seen was by kegr
chrome and red it was 4 carriages long
i think i seen in xg mag.....dope as fuck Withou checking the vaults of Loco towers, i cant say i have a favourite whole train. The most recent one that sprnigs to mind, is the Amsterdam Subway in the latest bomber, by wodka,crazy dentist,pone,right, and i think some one else? :king:

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by Locofanclub
You might see something at xmas......trainspotting on the 28th are we SE 4? :confused:


Ill be out spotting on the 26th with me new digi camera(please Santa, please i`ve been a good boy this year let me have it ) ..I might be able to post some of my own flix then, you never know..

[Locofanclub]

Originally posted by se_FOUR
Ill be out spotting on the 26th with me new digi camera(please Santa, please i`ve been a good boy this year let me have it ) ..I might be able to post some of my own flix then, you never know.. I wish you the best off luck, doing the rounds. Keep em peeled! :cool:

[spottybot]

make sure you get flicks then
and post them up so i can have a gander

[imported_Europe]

[img]http://digilander.libero.it/invisiblesite/Immages/specialsimmages/s126b.JPG'>
[img]http://digilander.libero.it/invisiblesite/Immages/specialsimmages/s87b.jpg'>
[img]http://digilander.libero.it/invisiblesite/Immages/specialsimmages/s82b.jpg'>

Stolen

[fr8oholic]

that dask is cool.

[InDY_500]

Originally posted by fr8oholic
that dask is cool.

i agree

[kid comeng]

im really feelin that dask wc...
nice post
peace

[Von schnabel]

What an awsome thread!!

I might aswell contribute..heres an 8car stockholm subway wholetrain by:

ape, roll, milk, hook, ond, lgon,yxa, clis, tres, idacrew and glue.

made in nov 2002!


[img]http://www.upptown.eu.org/upload/uploaded/4169.jpg'>

the photo is shit, if you want better youll have to buy the latest nr of underground production!

again awsome thread!

[Von schnabel]

[img]http://www.graffiti.org/endstation/lay-ups/sl/sl6/4wholecars.jpg'>

khon,com, pen, rob, chuck

[imported_b0b]

Nice one Von Schnabel

[Mike ATG]

what an awsome thread. Truly showing the fame game at it highest level.

[vynlone]

Originally posted by locationtwelve


http://www.graffiti.org/dj/private/wtd.jpg
Never seen that before that yard gets fucking rinsed man I have seen soooooooo many w/c shots from there.:eek: :eek: :eek:

[css_lover]

[img]http://www.stradanove.it/news/images/graffiti/z/z321.jpg'>

[imported_Europe]

Colors On Steel

[img]http://www.cantstopfanatics.com/usergallery/images/trains/0036.jpg'>

[imported_Europe]

Originally posted by nG, who stole it from Stylefile, www.stylefile.de (http://www.stylefile.de)

[img]http://www.graffitiaddicts.com/~Ng/nastyconnector.jpg'>

[imported_Europe]

[img]http://www.cantstopfanatics.com/usergallery/images/trains/0008.jpg'>

[NOTTS1]

feelin them mate

[Fabo 2]

someone please post the tox wholetrain he did at xmas

[imported_Europe]

^^
Its in the Underground thread somewhere. And it wasnt wholecars, it was windowdowns.

[Ted Kennedy]

Originally posted by misonoperso
[img]http://www.graffiti.org/eyegasm/big/h/hemo-verme-vogue-wc01.jpg'>

Is AS - Vogue in europe now?

[Fabo 2]

Originally posted by Europe
^^
Its in the Underground thread somewhere. And it wasnt wholecars, it was windowdowns.

I know it was windows down but considering he did the whole thing on his own and it was an entire train I thought it should be here.
Anyway, I can't find it on the mind the gap thread. I think it might have been deleted when the site lost three weeks of posts a while back. If anyone's got pics, be a diamond geezer and post 'em please.

[Stomah]

this is my one mpls full train. its Dsc and Amo

[img]http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://www.geocities.com/brokenboywonder/DscAmoFulltrain.JPG'>

[MR BANOS]

Originally posted by can of worms
I know it was windows down but considering he did the whole thing on his own and it was an entire train I thought it should be here.
Anyway, I can't find it on the mind the gap thread. I think it might have been deleted when the site lost three weeks of posts a while back. If anyone's got pics, be a diamond geezer and post 'em please.
i dont see any other window downs in this thread, therfore puttin it here would be stupid and incorrect, there is a BIG BIG difference between a proper WT and a window down WT

[nG]

^ bloody hell, calm down!

the pic in the Mind The Gap thread was taken by crazeeb0b and was only half of the train. i'd like to see it too.

[imported_b0b]

Originally posted by Stomah
this is my one mpls full train. its Dsc and Amo



That looks like a fr8 wholecar, we are talking about passenger trains done t2b, e2e (ie mulitple cars!) This belongs in a fr8 wholecrs thread.



Also yes the Tox pics were mine, it was a wholetrain e2e but I only got shots of about 4 cars. Would have been too risky to get shots of the whole thing and there was a colour wholecar over one of the cars anyway (it got done after Tox had finished).

[skrib139]

yeh, i saw that wholcar, but couldnt really make it out?

ive heard that it was either the hohohozae or a banos wholecar....

could you clear this up for me??

cheers

[imported_Europe]

[img]http://www.artattack.sk/vlaky/28/wt.jpg'>

Less talk, more flicks

[imported_Europe]

The most ridicolous connector in a long time

[img]http://www.upptown.eu.org/upload/uploaded/1524.jpg'>

Stockholm

[The Boss]

damn. stayin up all night to do one of these is some dedication!:yum:

[humanshield]

Hmm ..., pretty good .

[TEEHEEHEE]

Lovin' the rollercoaster connector !

[imported_Europe]

Prague

[img]http://www.bomb.sk/aerosolart/vlaky/wultrein117.jpg'>

[img]http://www.bomb.sk/aerosolart/vlaky/wultreinbig.jpg'>

From http://www.bomb.sk/

[imported_Europe]

Strasbourg, France

[img]http://www.wholetrain.de/bilder/newsbilder/010402/strasburg1.jpg'>
[img]http://www.wholetrain.de/bilder/newsbilder/010402/strasburg2.jpg'>
[img]http://www.wholetrain.de/bilder/newsbilder/010402/strasburg3.jpg'>
[img]http://www.wholetrain.de/bilder/newsbilder/010402/strasburg5.jpg'>
[img]http://www.wholetrain.de/bilder/newsbilder/010402/strasburg4.jpg'>

From www.wholetrain.de (http://www.wholetrain.de)

[Von schnabel]

[img]http://www.graffitihamburg.de/bilder/trains/trains/trains92/bilder/15.jpg'>

not really a whole train..

[Von schnabel]

[img]http://www.webyards.de/archiv/sites/trns10/1/3.jpg'>

[TrustUGN]

I just bought the "Not Guilty" video... anyone intested in buying it or trading it? I don't care much for euro trains either, I thought it was going to be all freights... it's a good video if you are a subway/euro train fan.... email me at [email protected] if you are interested.

[boi_o]

A Freight video? don't tell me that they a). make those kinds of videos and B) that people actually want to watch and buy that shit.
Bet its pure excitement all the way

[MR BANOS]

Originally posted by TrustUGN
I just bought the "Not Guilty" video... anyone intested in buying it or trading it? I don't care much for euro trains either, I thought it was going to be all freights... it's a good video if you are a subway/euro train fan.... email me at [email protected] if you are interested.

id rather watch driving miss daisy over any fuckin fr8 video.

oh yeh, FUCK USA!

[imported_Europe]

VTO crew 4 doubledecker-car wholetrain running in the swiss alps...

[img]http://www.graffitiart.de/images/rid-49979.jpg'>

[*SPACEPOPE*]

any one got pics of an AZIK s-bahn whole car from frankfurt?

[bemflix]

Originally posted by hozey jones
FUCK USA!

as an american myself i think this is a good time to tell you to go FUCK YOURSELF. shit if it wasn't for us your stupid ass wouldn't enjoy the freedom you probably do. fuckin asswipe

[xwibxonex]

personally i love most these euro whoecars, and theres some fresh stuff going on,
but some of these letters just bug the shit out of me, just as their are whack letters running on us freights, it just seems as if bad letter structure there still gets applauded because it was a full color wholecar which will run for a day, not trying to hate, seriously never understood that.

[honkywalker]

im confused bumflex....
first u tell that man to fuck himself,,,,,
then u call him an arsewipe.
if he fucked himself, the man would need need to wipe his arse.
whats ur beef.
i forgot, your a septic (tank)
wanka

wheres america's wholetrains..............:mad: :confused:


fuck da us. :evil2:

[Von schnabel]

"and theres some fresh stuff going on,
but some of these letters just bug the shit out of me, just as their are whack letters running on us freights, it just seems as if bad letter structure there still gets applauded because it was a full color wholecar which will run for a day, not trying to hate, seriously never understood that."

Maybe they dont share your views on letters, maybe good letter structures isnt an objective thruth? You know the old eye of the beholder cliche.

Anyway here are a couple more whole trains.

http://www.nachtschicht.no-ip.com/trains/2003/mai/6/bigones/09.jpg

stolen from:

http://www.nachtschicht.no-ip.com

[Von schnabel]

http://www.nachtschicht.no-ip.com/trains/2003/mai/6/bigones/01.jpg

http://www.nachtschicht.no-ip.com

[Von schnabel]

http://www.nachtschicht.no-ip.com/trains/2003/maerz/2/bigones/01.jpg

[bemflix]

Originally posted by honkywalker
im confused wheres america's wholetrains..............:mad: :confused:
fuck da us. :evil2:

you are truely a fuckin' moron. what you can't still be mad you lost the war way back in 1776... are you douche bag????????

where are america's whole cars you ask??????????

listen to me you little bitch we invented the whole car
wait we invented this whole mutha fucking graff game

so the next time you touch a can (if you even really write) you should thank us americans for creating the sport of graffiti

respect the real

bem

here are a few
[img]http://bemflix.com/webflix/fr8/ewok_001.jpg'>
[img]http://bemflix.com/webflix/trains/clean/muse_free.jpg'>
[img]http://bemflix.com/webflix/trains/clean/pjay_pulse_cope.jpg'>
[img]http://bemflix.com/webflix/trains/clean/wane_keo.jpg'>

[StockFresh©]

that shits off the train, i mean chain.... :lol:

[imported_sofarok]

Originally posted by bemflix


where are america's whole cars you ask??????????





he said whole trains, not cars.....

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by bemflix
you are truely a fuckin' moron. what you can't still be mad you lost the war way back in 1776... are you douche bag????????

where are america's whole cars you ask??????????

listen to me you little bitch we invented the whole car
wait we invented this whole mutha fucking graff game

so the next time you touch a can (if you even really write) you should thank us americans for creating the sport of graffiti

respect the real

bem

here are a few
[img]http://bemflix.com/webflix/fr8/ewok_001.jpg'>
[img]http://bemflix.com/webflix/trains/clean/muse_free.jpg'>
[img]http://bemflix.com/webflix/trains/clean/pjay_pulse_cope.jpg'>
[img]http://bemflix.com/webflix/trains/clean/wane_keo.jpg'>


^^ haha..

Even if it was a wholecars thread is that the best you can do??
Ones a nasty freight the other is a scrap i.e the Pjay - Pulse (uk)- Cope
And the Wane i`ve seen a few hundred times..

[starman]

i think youll find the wane is a scrap aswell (hence the cropped photo) there is a few windows out on the missing part

your nation has nothing on us . you fell off
(graffiti is europe)

[vynlone]

Originally posted by se_FOUR
^^ haha..

Even if it was a wholecars thread is that the best you can do??
Ones a nasty freight the other is a scrap i.e the Pjay - Pulse (uk)- Cope
And the Wane i`ve seen a few hundred times..
Spot on there Se4.
To the yank keep thinking you have the best graffiti scene in the world and we'll keep smashing it harder. fucking idiot.......

[honkywalker]

this thread is called whole TRAINS...
I thought it was obvious that the pictures would be of whole trains...
obviously not.
come on bumflex.. keep up.
if i wanted to do freights id go bumkin ends, and blaze and drink all day.
the rest are poor wholecars.


soooo.... as i said, wheres americas WHOLETRAINS.
PUNK

ps. who says douche bag?:lol:
europe would burn us. for steel!!!!!:D :king: :king: :king: :king:

[bemflix]

cars or trains
what the fuck does it matter
same fuckin difference...

remember children AMERICA created graff
DO NOT GET IT TWISTED..........

where you kids are today is because we paved the way
not much more to it than that

so talk all the shit you want but if it wasn't for us you would be playin cricket so some dumb ass shit like that.....


go watch blue's clues cause the only thing you runnin is you mouth

[bemflix]

Originally posted by honkywalker
ps. who says douche bag?:lol:
europe would burn us. for steel!!!!!:D :toy:toy:toy:toy:

I SAY DOUCHE BAG.
WANNA KNOW WHAT IT IS? .............LOOK IN THE MIRROR

and if europe would burn america why do your countrymen pay for the US talent to come over and show y'all what real graff is???????????



















enough for you
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[se_FOUR]

Originally posted by bemflix
cars or trains
what the fuck does it matter
same fuckin difference...

remember children AMERICA created graff
DO NOT GET IT TWISTED..........

where you kids are today is because we paved the way
not much more to it than that

so talk all the shit you want but if it wasn't for us you would be playin cricket so some dumb ass shit like that.....


go watch blue's clues cause the only thing you runnin is you mouth


You ignorant Yankee idiot!! If it wasn`t for us you wouldn`t have trains to paint on, if it wasn`t for cricket , baseball wouldn`t have existed and if it wasn`t for this cricket playing country you wouldn`t have a country full stop or be speaking English. so Bemflix post up some "new" U.S WHOLETRAINS OR FUCK OFF TO ANOTHER THREAD i.e FREIGHTS!! GET ME!!

[skrib139]

yo bemflix wheres the hella good ny sub wholetrains at for shizzle homeboy.

anyone can rock wholecar freights. and unless you are blind there is quite a big difference between a wholecar and a wholetrain

[nG]

nice posts Von schnabel. its amazing what a difference a nice colour combination makes - those orange, black and grey cars wouldn't be as nice if they were painted with the usual silver and black in my opinion.

nice to see another depressing US vs The World argument raging yet again. :rolleyes:

[nG]

Originally posted by nG
nice posts Von schnabel. its amazing what a difference a nice colour combination makes - those orange, black and grey cars wouldn't be as nice if they were painted with the usual silver and black in my opinion.

nice to see another depressing US vs The World argument raging yet again. :rolleyes:

'nice' :lol:

[ihatemanutd]

bemflex you crack me up so fucking much:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[niso]

US vs The World
damn right the way it should be fuck off mr buss:D

[The Boss]

damn,
ewok...:king:

[BAD-RELIGION]

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/rasegts_wholecar.JPG'>

[niseNSF]

yo bem im saying man just cause graff started here 30-40odd years ago, everyone has to like sweat ny forever? europeans have taken the shit and ran with it. they do to this day what all new yorkers did everyday when graff was developed...if anything, they are more in touch with where "graff started" than anyone painting a lazy ass whole fr8 car or scrap car.

bottom line: this is WHOLETRAINS, not whole cars. to my knowledge no one in the states has done a whole train in well over a decade.

i dont jock europeans anymore than they jock us....respect goes where its due. if someone paints wholeTRAIN on mars, ill give em props.

[skrib139]

Originally posted by cheerleader
yo bem im saying man just cause graff started here 30-40odd years ago, everyone has to like sweat ny forever? europeans have taken the shit and ran with it. they do to this day what all new yorkers did everyday when graff was developed...if anything, they are more in touch with where "graff started" than anyone painting a lazy ass whole fr8 car or scrap car.

bottom line: this is WHOLETRAINS, not whole cars. to my knowledge no one in the states has done a whole train in well over a decade.

i dont jock europeans anymore than they jock us....respect goes where its due. if someone paints wholeTRAIN on mars, ill give em props.


cheerleader knows the deal!

[mogilny]

[img]http://www.cantstopfanatics.com/usergallery/images/trains/0008.jpg'>




feelin' this.......

[BAD-RELIGION]

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/blyzraonwholecar.JPG'>
:D

[spunyon]

i love how they used a roller on that 1st one

[Dump Koch]

good stuff :yum:

[inshAZ]

Originally posted by Von schnabel
http://www.nachtschicht.no-ip.com/trains/2003/mai/6/bigones/09.jpg'>

stolen from:

http://www.nachtschicht.no-ip.com

something funny about this picture, why are there so many clocktowers in the background? and why does the grass in the foreground keep repeating itself.......:confused:

[starman]

inshaz are you missing something??

when you take photo's of whole trains you tend not to get the whole thing in one shot

[skrib139]

looks like its linked off still from a video cam or something??

[retired_uk]

Originally posted by inshAZ
something funny about this picture, why are there so many clocktowers in the background? and why does the grass in the foreground keep repeating itself.......:confused:

Because the photographer was standing still and the train was moving. ;)

BTW I'm in 2 minds about this, first I think what a mission then I think, the first and last carriages - what a waste of paint! Then I think what a mission then I think what a waste of paint... :crazy:

[El Sodoma]

Do you know what a train is?

[nG]

Originally posted by inshAZ
something funny about this picture, why are there so many clocktowers in the background? and why does the grass in the foreground keep repeating itself.......:confused:

god you're stupid. :lol:

[Von schnabel]

Btw if you havent noticed that train is roller painted!

[Ole]

Here in Norway, scrap trains and freights are almost disrespect to paint. There's no point, its way to easy and its fucking ugly.

You american's say you made graff, but did YOU make graff? Are you one of the old boys, the ones that ruled the train lines back in the 70'ties, and 80'ies? Are you one of the old stars? If not, then shut the fuck up, as after the trains died, so did most american graffiti. I mean, most of the "old boys" quitted, and went other ways.
I have a shitload of respeckt for the old NY train-bombers, they invented both style and trains. But the "new school" American writers mostly suck.

Oh, and if it's so hard to paint trains in NY and other places, why is that when european writers come, they burn your trains? Also, i read that in America, you don't have to think of most of the yard-workers, just the guards. I mean, what the fuck! If it had been that easy in Norway, i would be in the yard 24/7.
And if the yards are fuck, why not just do backjumps?

The old days are over (sadly). Europe has taken over graffiti, easy and simple. Show me some new wholetrains from America, and i mean TRAINS, not some ugly freights.

[skrib139]

^^^ good points ole, pretty much everything id like t say to the dumb yanks who are constantly hating.....

[sitonmysofer]

i didnt bother to read all of this thread.. all i read were a couple angry euro posts that were anti american. nowi dont want to argue and i dont think either part of the world is better. graff is all about the individual. not your state or country. yes, it is true that graffiti started in the americas, yes it is true that there are probably more writers here also, and also yeah its true that europeans do hit alot more passenger trains than the us. and it is quite obvious that outside of trains, europeans dont have much on americans in terms of walls. you say wheres our whole trains and cars? we say to you where is your la river piece? wheres your planes, wheres your fucking barge boats. we hit just as big as you do, just because as its not in the same place doesnt mean its not as good. stick saber msk awr in europe and im sured hed put everyoine to shame. he puts alot of us people to shame also. theres obviously a large contrast in style between here and there. in europe yes.. everyone gets up everywhere. here, you have fewer writers that are kings, but they are alot better than the kings over there. the writers in europe that really put in the effort to be better at graff stand out, like daim, dare, and others. neither section of the world is better and you cant compare, lifestyles are completley different and echside gets their own respect.

[niseNSF]

i really dont think one huge piece in the LA river is an excuse for not doing transit. im not into people hating on the US flat out...that sucks...not all of us are retarded and hate on europe..tons of us love and respect all the work that everyone in europe does. whoever is doing work, regardless of nationality, gets respect from me.

i think a big factor that no one ever discusses that explains a lot of the differences is that in europe, you all have a zillion magazines where trains get printed regularly and videos and what not. theres much less stigma about having your shit in magazines and what not. in the states, we cant really get away with publishing clean train work in mags like yall do. so, if everyone does shit for rep, at least in europe you know if you get night flicks, or even a shot in transit, even if it gets ragged the next day,those flix get out and into amgs and what not.

in the states, there is no outlet for that rep. in the old days in nyc, you painted a train and people saw it. now, there isnt any outlet for even the photo to get out (except online and even then americans just tend to be paranoid about putting anything out there b/c theres so few people doing them that it makes it easy for authorities to be like "lets get ___")

so its like a shitty cycle we are stuck in in america: once you dont have the 'rep' incentive, less kids do trains and get more into street spots. once the number of kids on steel dips below a critical mass, then it becomes easy for the cops or detectives to focus on the little handful of people who *do* do it. so, those few kids hafta be real careful and keep their flicks to themselves, so no one ever knows they are doing it, which = no rep. not many writers are interested in doing steel just for the flick in their own home...kids want the rep. and without that rep, people tend to be like "id rather do a street spot or a rooftop". at least if you hit the streets, you know its gonna get seen, not buffed, and the flicks are published online or in zines. think about it: name one american magazine that features clean trains. you cant cause it doesnt exist. there are only like 3 or 4 american grafifit zines at all, and those barely come out more than once every 2-3 months.

basically, just like the quality of paint europeans have, you guys over in europe dont understand how puritan and close minded america still is about stupid things like graffiti. shit, its still illegal for any american televsion show to curse or show bare breasts. we just have a somewhat more closeminded society when it comes to some things like this. there is NO WAY we will ever have a "montana writer team" and there will never be ads in fro spray paint featuring a graffiti wirter doing a piece. our paint companies STILL swear that their product is made strictly for the purpose of painting wicker chairs.. caps are pretty illegal to sell anywhere. some cites have banned spraypaitn sales all togehter. there are no "graffiti festivals" except for scribble and paint louis and both those events go thru hell trying to avoid being banned. people in america hate hate hate graffiti and there was never the semi-acceptance it gets in europe.

so, if you live in paris or london or berlin, you know "hey, if i go do some panels, itll get seen eventually by someone..." it may not run, yeah, but if you get flix, itll get seen, right? youre not doing panels and not taking flix, right? you wouldnt just go paint a train, not take a flick and have no one ever know you did it. well, thats what is like a lot of times here in the states: there is no outlet for the output. people DO do clean trains here, but theres no outlet for them. ask the clean train americans...they cant even show their shit online.

this also explains the whole "europeans go to nyc and do trains all the time!!" gripe....of course they do!! a: they do steel all the time in europe so they are much more in touch with the process than the new generation of americans and b: they get flicks and bring them home to publish in all the euro magazines and websites. c: they LEAVE nyc and dont have to worry about the heat that comes from doing them.

so, if i fly to paris tomorrow, and i do like 10 panels in a week or 2, i can jet back to the US and not worry one bit about the vandal squad or search warrants, or rival crews ratting me out or whatever. its that kind of a deal.

so, im not taking anything away from european writers....i love graff from anywhere...but maybe if yall understood the subltety of all these dynamics a little better, youd understand how the whole paradigm shifted over the last few decades as graffiti in americ shifted from a 'quality of life' offense in the 1980s to a felony crime in the 90s. american writers have the exact some ratio of tyos to kings as europeans...were all human, its gonna end up being the same....the only difference about trains has to do with american society and the legal trends that led up to everyone being pushed off trains and the legal restrictions on publishing any of them that *do* get done. if we had magazines that published clean trains that came out every month like europeans do, and there was no fear of getting you house raided for doing it, TRUST ME, kids would do steel as much as europeans do. no one in the US is a scaredy cat - we take ridiculous risks bombing, and given the way our country works with poverty and guns, we often face just as much (if not more) risk scaling barbed wire to creep up the side of peoples houses to do rooftops and whatnot. in other words, while cleantrains are dangerous with gaurds and shit in europe, its also a tad bit formulaic: you know how long you have for backjumps, you know the factoars and the risks, if you go enough times a week, youll pull a few off. but with streets in america, its just a different kind of risk. here, citizens are blood hungry, they love nothing more than calling you in on cellphones, getting you busted, you got trigger happy citizens, who have the legal freedom to shoot you in the face if you are climbing up their fireescape ladder, you have cops who have the freedom to stop and search your bag if your walking down the street shady-looking at 3am...or if you are the wrong race, etc,etc,etc.

my point being: theres a reason why trains have declined here, but dont mistkae that for americans lacking heart. we are cut from the stuff as any european. i dont think europe owes us any sort of respect for graff starting here (beyond respect for those old kings) but i also dont think us not doing steel is the basis for saying that one side of the pond is better than the other.

all that being said, that whole care posted up above by schnabel is amazing.

[skrib139]

yeh its good to see that there are some americans who actually arent too up their own arses to see what is actually going on. respect.

but...! dotn wanna cause a next argument im just gonna clear a couple thigns up

"no fear of getting you house raided for doing it"

house raids are standard if you get caught hittin trains.

also the cops are the same here as far as gettin searched goes...

[socks]

thanks cheerleader...
But I have some questions. To me it sounds like you believe that there is nowhere to publish current american transit....and if one does publish photos the authorities in (blankcity) will push harder to make a conviction.

The thing that I think you are missing is the fact that all train companies, transit authorities, police and the independent graffiti removal contractors make a record of the work they do.
On any average painted panel you are going to have at least one photo taken by the opposing team. (Possibly three depending on what groups become involved).

so if a writer in america gets a photo of a panel while it is in service (or anywhere besides where it was painted) why couldnt it be published? any Henry C could have released that shutter.

and if there is such a large source of graffiti media in europe why not send photos there.... a good metro panel is a good metro panel regardless of continent... this would also divert attention from local authorities who might read your Clouts your Vapours and your LSD but probably dont read XG, subwaynet, UP....etc.etc.(too many to name)

just a thought
props to your sports team for all the insight i agree with lots of what you said.

[nG]

Originally posted by socks

and if there is such a large source of graffiti media in europe why not send photos there.... a good metro panel is a good metro panel regardless of continent... this would also divert attention from local authorities who might read your Clouts your Vapours and your LSD but probably dont read XG, subwaynet, UP....etc.etc.(too many to name)


i think cope2 realised this a long time ago. he's got subways, streets and legal walls in everything: wanted, graphotism, XG, stylefile, brain damage etc etc.

[niseNSF]

re: houses getting raided - you dont get your house raided *after* you get caught...you get your house raided if they *think* (and can get a warrant) you are doing trains. they use what they find in that raid to arrest you.

re: what socks said: good points man. heres what i think: shots in transit are diffuclt here..the only real way your gonna something is if they happen to miss it. i dont think this is cause american transit systems are tougher or anything, i just think its more like "whoa, what the fuck, pull that car out of service!" cause they get hit so rarely here, its like a big deal. whereas in europe, it gets done often enough everywhere that its not like a crazy rare event. so, from my limited experience, most flicks are gonna be night flicks in the yard or layup. however, even if you do get a shot in transit, you could 'claim' to have just taken the photo, like henry c style, sure, but thats gonna be you and your lawyer trying to convinve a judge that you just *happen* to like graffiti enough to have been there 12 hours later taking a photo of it.....like i said, since theres nothing on any trains here, you really cant proclaim to be like 'benching' subways - it will loook bad regardless if you have photos of graffiti on trains. its not an open and shut case, and im sure if you can get an ill lawyer, you could beat it, but most writers dont have the money to afford really good lawyers (often 200-300 US dollars per hour, with 2000 dollar retainer fees). so, its just kinda complex.

and as for amiling flix to the european mags, theres another american thing that differs from europeans: we are usually very much against mailing your own photos to magazines. its considered self promotion and its frowned upon. as dope as Cope2 is, people do ridicule his habit of promoting himself (book, video, mailing his own trains to every mag on earth, etc) many US writers, myself included, were raised to believe that your work should be put out in the public and if people wanna flick it or publish it, great. but mailing shit into mags distorts the lines....there are kids we call "stamp lickers" who paint like 20 freight trains a year but they mail EVERY last one to mags, get published, and then create the image that they are getting benched all the time. which is weak.

therefore, theres this tradition of not really mailing your own shit anywhere..the feeling is, if you do enough work on streets or on trains, objective 3rd parties will flick it and youll get the rep you deserve. like someone like revok from LA: he does the work, and people publish him regardless of whether they know him or are down with him..he just earns the press by working hard. on the other hand (i wont name names) you have american magazines that merely publish the 20 or so writers they know or from ther local city/crews, along with people like revok or cope2 or king157 or whoever. so, that gets frowned upon.

i have to confess, i dont really know how that dynamic plays out in europe, but the sense i get is that its OK to mail your own flicks to magaznes and stuff like that. am i wrong? im really not sure. but in europe, how do you feel about someone who paints 20 panelsa year but gets all 20 published in a mag, vs. someone who does 100 panels a year but only gets one or two in a mag?? who has really earned the rep?

is graff about how many people see it, no matter what the means to the end? i tend to think not, and i think theres a real measure of rep beyond just what gets published...and for me thats the streets. you cant fake a roof top. and fr8 trains in the US are really easy generally, and they more about a different, more patient form of graffiti....imagine if you had 1000 panels running, but over the entire continent of europe, and you were racing with other dudes trying to get as many as you can, mastering what goes to what region, on what types of cars and what not....its a lot different than subways/commuters, but it also has its own skill/talent and while its less dramatic, its more about patience and persistence...different version of a similar passion: the adrenaline rush verus the patient slow boil. and real fr8 heads in america will tell you you cant fake/manufacture that rep either....people send their shit into mags and get published, but the rel heads keep track of who *Really* gets benched in every region of the USA. if you are popping up in lots of mags but no ones ever benched you, it becomes immediately clear that you are a stamp licker and someone is mailing your photos to magazines, manufactuiring your rep.

SO, long story short, even the few americans that are getting flicks of clean trains have another level of built-in aversion to self publicizing their work...for lack of a better word, its considered "tacky" here...even the great cope2, as i said, gets criticized for it...people think its really tacky to make an entire movie about yourself. and i dont disagree really.

just to be clear again: im not dissing either world..just trying to shed some light on what i think contributes to the big gap in US/Euro graff culture. i really think it boils down to the fact that in europe, as much as the *doing* of graff is illegal and dangerous, for some reason the after product is OK to puvblish and spread around and be open about (mags, videos, festivals, specialized paint,etc) whereas in the states, *doing* graffiti is not the only illegal part.....publicizing it just as dangerous and frowned upon. no festivals, hardly any videos, defintiely no paint made for graffiti, etc,etc.

i think if you took an american and put him in europe, hed do trains just as much as yall do. and vice versa, if you take a european train writer and plop him in boston or nyc or philly or dc, he will be in jail after a few months of trying to do clean trains regularly. it is quite easy to come here, get over on trains, then leave and dissappear. but its like the old rule of "dont shit where you eat" for those of us who live here, we are gonna cut our careers short by doing cleans locally often. some ways around it have been rocking fake names or aliases, or travelling to other cities. and, there are lots of people doing just that. and they have photos of it all. but no where to show them. sucks, but, hey its what we have to deal with.

as a solution to this, i propose that any of you europeans invite me over to your house so i can paint lots of trains with you all. that would be pretty cope. i mean dope.

:p

[T.T Boy]

Originally posted by cheerleader


i have to confess, i dont really know how that dynamic plays out in europe, but the sense i get is that its OK to mail your own flicks to magaznes and stuff like that. am i wrong? im really not sure. but in europe, how do you feel about someone who paints 20 panelsa year but gets all 20 published in a mag, vs. someone who does 100 panels a year but only gets one or two in a mag?? who has really earned the rep?



put it this way, i could put together a freight magazine monthly if i sat at the lines and benched. if i sat in say, london victoria street station (only an example of a busy station for commuters and subways) it would take a long time to put out a mag of strictly commuters and subways caught on those lines.

basically, people will catch freights eventually, cleans, well, maybe. ive sat for hours on places like london (3 visits not one train seen in service) amsterdam central (2 trips seen one panel in service). thus, making it acceptable to send in a yard shot or the piece in traffic for the one line it makes. cause if you dont send it in, noone else can really. then again, there are a bunch of guys whom ive met personally and have hit a ton of trains regularly and get 0 play in the euro mags ive seen. who gets more respect? i dont know. i cant say. im only kind of a euro. youd better ask a real one yourself.

im not an expert, just kind of an observer giving a perspective.

[css_lover]

has cope ever been arrested for painting since he never masked himself and always showed loads of pics?

:confused:

[Locofanclub]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
put it this way, i could put together a freight magazine monthly if i sat at the lines and benched. if i sat in say, london victoria street station (only an example of a busy station for commuters and subways) it would take a long time to put out a mag of strictly commuters and subways caught on those lines.

basically, people will catch freights eventually, cleans, well, maybe. ive sat for hours on places like london (3 visits not one train seen in service) amsterdam central (2 trips seen one panel in service). thus, making it acceptable to send in a yard shot or the piece in traffic for the one line it makes. cause if you dont send it in, noone else can really. then again, there are a bunch of guys whom ive met personally and have hit a ton of trains regularly and get 0 play in the euro mags ive seen. who gets more respect? i dont know. i cant say. im only kind of a euro. youd better ask a real one yourself.

im not an expert, just kind of an observer giving a perspective. TT, i can understand not seeing anything running in London, unless you get a tip off, or are REAL lucky. ( ive been going to London for years, and its only recently ive started seeing stuff running) But on 1 panel in 2 trips to Amsterdam....now thats unlucky fella! :eek:

[nG]

...and the first time i ever used the london tube i saw four panels in one day (and a LOT of bombing). my friend from north london has seen just two in a lifetime of using it. its definitely all down to luck.

[niseNSF]

TT: yeah thats what i thought (i just didnt wanna say definitively since i dont know firsthand): no one catches shit in traffic really anywhere, so in europe (at least the flicks in mags i see) its usually night flix or flix taken the next morning or whatever and therefore its pretty clear that its not only OK to mail in flix, its expected. hence another big difference...in the US, there is no mag to really send flix to and theres the whole etiquette against mailing flicks, and the whole legal issue of the heat those published flicks will bring you.

[T.T Boy]

yeah i was pretty unlucky in amsterdam. but now its so fucked in holland it seems noone is painting, or noone wants to paint anymore.
or the guys who are painting are the ones who owe so much in fines they dont give a fuck anymore and just keep bombing. i dunno, so many people have had amazing luck in holland painting. i got unlucky there twice. but super ultra hardcoregermany was always nice to me. oh, and you can still catch panels on the rome subway like it was 1978. but its mostly garbage. cheerleader you must be able to vouch for that?

[rental]

jesus fucking christ...all those whole cars....damn...damn.

[Locofanclub]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
yeah i was pretty unlucky in amsterdam. but now its so fucked in holland it seems noone is painting, or noone wants to paint anymore.
or the guys who are painting are the ones who owe so much in fines they dont give a fuck anymore and just keep bombing. i dunno, so many people have had amazing luck in holland painting. i got unlucky there twice. but super ultra hardcoregermany was always nice to me. oh, and you can still catch panels on the rome subway like it was 1978. but its mostly garbage. cheerleader you must be able to vouch for that? Best wekend i had, which was a serious trainspot wekend, ended up with 40 different peices (No lie!) From panels, to end to ends....Knackered from running around getting photos..and the last thing i saw that i missed was a e-2-e with taylor and friends....damn! :crazy: