alpha battles: no digital?????

[cmeup]

i think we should get rid of the digital images in tha alpha battles...

i think its not fair to all, and plus, half tha shit people do in that digital world, is impossible to do in sketches or on a wall/train..

keep it real, and stick to paper... thats my vote..

except maybe defy cuz he started that whole shit, or maybe even not... i think its just defeating the purpose of the sketch battles...

tease:mad:

[Harpo Marx]

yeah, i agree, it isnt fair, and you cant really judge skill that way.
but then again, people like tesseract do incredible stuff with it that no matter who you are, cant be achieved in reality.
i dunno. do what you want.

[THEdude]

digital is dope

they should make two threads
one digital one sketches.......


I don't know I suck

[MR BOJANGLES]

[img]http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/menotyou2/d.jpg'>
no offense but i could easily paint this on a wall.
on a side note i can see what youre saying about a few of them now that ive looked around.

[mud_buddha]

(a) what's not fair about it? I haven't had a set of markers in a decade, is it unfair to me when someone does a colored piece with markers? Or, since I have a huge box full of acrylics and can paint my ass of with them, would it be unfair if I busted some acrylics since not everyone has the loot for 50 8 dollar tubes of liquitex?

(B) as I've said before, there is no "do graffiti" button in photoshop, so how it detracts from a playful sketch battle is beyond me.

If you really want to make it fair, and make it all about letters then have one rule and one rule only NO COLOR. Otherwise it's just silly.

[another loser]

i sketch mine out and the only reason i edit them with my computer is because the scanner sucks, so i clean it up and shit.
http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/fr8post0007/d1.jpg

[dead fetus]

i think, for the most part, it shouldnt really matter.. it all comes from the persons head anyway.

The only thing i might object to is the crazy photoshop fills... that dosnt really take any personal or creative skill to create.

[mud_buddha]

Originally posted by dead fetus
i think, for the most part, it shouldnt really matter.. it all comes from the persons head anyway.

The only thing i might object to is the crazy photoshop fills... that dosnt really take any personal or creative skill to create.

to create the effect itself, no, you just run a filer. to make it look good? to pick the right colors and use an effect in the right place? of course it takes skill and creativity.

[dead fetus]

i dont really consider someone to be 'creative' when they're using programmed effects that anyone can use.

[mud_buddha]

Originally posted by dead fetus
i dont really consider someone to be 'creative' when they're using programmed effects that anyone can use.

I'm not going to argue the point. I will ask- do you use photoshop?

[imported_El Mamerro]

If you've been around the digital realm for a while, you can easily spot what a programmed effect is, and what was actually created with originality.

Digital is a different skill, it's another tool. It makes certain things easier, it can add flashiness, but if you know enough about design you can see through this flashiness and determine if the creation itself is good or not. Example: that DFEKT guy who pussied out of the C battle. His stuff was flashy, it looked impressive, but his composition sucked, he used cliched elements, and it clearly looked like he didn't take enough time to tweak it. I've seen that style well executed, and it kicks ass... he just wasn't there yet.

And I don't see why "paintability" is an issue... if it is, then I'll have to stop doing my robotic stuff cause it's next to impossible to paint. This battle should be about how far you can take letters and their forms, regardless of medium. Let the kids who have the tools and the skill to go digital do so. Beer,

El Mamerro

[~DeNtOnE~]

:P :P :P sorry yall bitch to much i member the rules were any letter on a wall, book, train, plane, in a house with a mouse.... lol did i say with a fox in a box? sorry i know im new but i use to just look at treads.. now i can replay and not mubble to my self as a scrool!!!!!!!!!! hahaha

[cmeup]

first off there is nothing wrong with tha digital images...

when i said its not fair, i meant to those who dont have those certain programs to use... (as far as the winning goes, even though there isnt a prize, but still...) winners regonizition...

i cant post anyways, i dont got a scanner or digi cam or whatever anyways...

but i just think its kinda pointless to do something for a sketch battle on tha computer... maybe not even that, but like those crazy abstract fills... or tha effects....

fuck, i dont know... i know some of you can paint what you got on them digi's but i know some people cant paint alot of that shit also...

defy, can you paint that crazy shit you do in photoshop? i wouldnt think so, im not harpin' on you, just kinda making you an example... i know you've come along way, but shit, i dont think you can paint as crazy as you can imagine shit up on tha comp in digi land...

whatever, i just wanted to see what yall thought...

im highly enjoying the creativity and tha posts in tha threads... keep up tha good work, those who are posting..

tease

[dolomite]

i cant paint the 3d crazy shit but all the other ones im pretty damn sure i can, by the way, im not using any "special effects" here is a list of tools i have used:

line tool
paint brush
airbrush
pencil

plus im in lack of a scanner and/or a digi cam.

[dolomite]

funny, that i was the only person to be called out on digitals.. hahahaha
besides tesseract, and he was comlimented. HAHahaHAHahHA

[Stoney Blaze]

...anything done in photoshop can be done with aerosol or prismas if you got experience and medium control.
what about cats with no scanner? when the only option is the digital route?
[img]http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/Stoney_Blaze/A%20copy.jpg'>
[img]http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/Stoney_Blaze/alpha1%20copy.jpg'>
...i spelled alpha: a-l-p-a-!

hahahahahahah:lol:

:dazed:

[dolomite]

word stoney.

[beardo]

you guys are taking this way too seriously

[Robocop]

yea!

beardo, i thoughht you were not a mod any more.. hahaha

[beard]

im not

[Robocop]

hahaha then why in the post above, did it say crew under beardo.. hahahaha

[beard]

you dont have to be a mod to be on the crew

[PE5KYG5C]

strongly disagree... as im sure mother has told you "LIFE ISNT FARE", learn to live with it... why should we have to be limited to a certain level of artistic expression just cause some of you dont have the time, patience or money to get photoshop? and or dont have the patience, skill, or time to learn to use it and do something with it? now im not saying im some super fly web designer, but im learning photoshop, and i agree with the "anything can be done with aerosol & prismas" that is soo soo true, but some of us, just cant afford the full set of prismas, therefore we use the colors on photoshop. i will admit, some of the digitla is way out of limit as far as walls and stuff go, but look at it this way, should the alpha battle be limited to just walls & spray paint, how many of you would enter? and honestly... it's like saying " the aplha battle is off limit to letters painted on walls, cause not all of us can paint"
PURE NONSENSE! THANX AND GOODAY MATE!

[--zeSto--]

Bobby
Bobby
Bobby
Digi
Digi
Digi...

it's just another medium.

and hell...

We are on computers !!!!

[imported_Tesseract]

Mamerro/Beardo/Zesto...well worded from all possible angles. And to add my 2 cents on a totally personal level, i always need clean resiseble letters for my Graphic design work, so i'm hitting two birds with one stone here...i thank the alphabattles for making my work more fun, and if you like my letters, thank me to!

[cdz]

i like to see letters that are on paper more than digital. i hate how a lot art is going digital. use your hands, not the tools of a machine.

[mud_buddha]

Originally posted by cdz
i like to see letters that are on paper more than digital. i hate how a lot art is going digital. use your hands, not the tools of a machine.

so you're suggesting everyone fingerpaint?

[--zeSto--]

Originally posted by Tesseract
so i'm hitting two birds with one stone here...

not me... I'm a vegetarian.

[Kanedigital]

Originally posted by PE5KYG5C
strongly disagree... as im sure mother has told you "LIFE ISNT FARE", learn to live with it... why should we have to be limited to a certain level of artistic expression just cause some of you dont have the time, patience or money to get photoshop? and or dont have the patience, skill, or time to learn to use it and do something with it? now im not saying im some super fly web designer, but im learning photoshop, and i agree with the "anything can be done with aerosol & prismas" that is soo soo true, but some of us, just cant afford the full set of prismas, therefore we use the colors on photoshop. i will admit, some of the digitla is way out of limit as far as walls and stuff go, but look at it this way, should the alpha battle be limited to just walls & spray paint, how many of you would enter? and honestly... it's like saying " the aplha battle is off limit to letters painted on walls, cause not all of us can paint"
PURE NONSENSE! THANX AND GOODAY MATE!


Pesky makes an incredibly good point...


I sort of agree wit both sides...
not being able to use photoshop hampers some people's creativity...
I have photoshop but opt to not use it because I want to improve my style and letter structure... and my ability to draw and paint... and (not that I'm blaming anyone for using these) photoshop has tools like straight lines and curves... with photoshop a paraplegic could draw the freshest letter ever presented on the 12oz forum... and FOR a paraplegic that would be fine... but an able bodied person should use their natural ability not their ability to click a mouse...
that's why I like El Mamerro's and Beardo's stuff so much...
I'm sure they could very easily do that on a computer... but they sketch it out... and that's what makes it hot... there's a certain look to a sketch... crisp... but not jagged like computer lines...


it's like the difference between an LP and a CD...

[mud_buddha]

Originally posted by Kanedigital



Pesky makes an incredibly good point...


I sort of agree wit both sides...
not being able to use photoshop hampers some people's creativity...
I have photoshop but opt to not use it because I want to improve my style and letter structure... and my ability to draw and paint... and (not that I'm blaming anyone for using these) photoshop has tools like straight lines and curves... with photoshop a paraplegic could draw the freshest letter ever presented on the 12oz forum... and FOR a paraplegic that would be fine... but an able bodied person should use their natural ability not their ability to click a mouse...
that's why I like El Mamerro's and Beardo's stuff so much...
I'm sure they could very easily do that on a computer... but they sketch it out... and that's what makes it hot... there's a certain look to a sketch... crisp... but not jagged like computer lines...


For what it's worth... jagged lines out of photoshop are usually because the person doing the photoshopping doesn't know what they're doing.

And, as for the case about the paraplegic... what the fuck does that have to do with anything? If the paraplegic had some talent he could draw some shit, if he didn't he couldn't photoshop or no.

I'll say it again. there is no "do graffiti" button in photoshop.

Also, you're complaining about curves (and if you mean using bezier curve- that shit is harder than drawing I can assure you) and straight line tools? Have you ever looked in a professional illustrators toolbox? In a great number of them you would see the greatest assortment of rulers, french curves, flexible curves, circle templates, compasses, oval templates, etc. Does that somehow degrade the art? If it does, don't ever pick up a comic book, because not only are they colored on a computer, but both inkers and pencillers use all of the above with great regularity.

[Delta-9]

I think whatever you do digitally you should be able to rip on to paper/wall/etc. But I can understand people with a crummy or no scanner at all..its all they have and more power to them if they want to contribute!! I personally think both mediums can produce great work but I definetly like the marker route more...just my two cents..
:idea: :idea:

[--zeSto--]

the medium is very important
but
style is style !

as we all know... there is no real 'Graffiti' font.

[lil'moco]

[img]http://freephoto-i.net/users/bigdill/freak_boy.jpg'>
Keepin' shit real! Ya heard.

[Kanedigital]

Originally posted by mud_buddha


For what it's worth... jagged lines out of photoshop are usually because the person doing the photoshopping doesn't know what they're doing.

And, as for the case about the paraplegic... what the fuck does that have to do with anything? If the paraplegic had some talent he could draw some shit, if he didn't he couldn't photoshop or no.

I'll say it again. there is no "do graffiti" button in photoshop.

Also, you're complaining about curves (and if you mean using bezier curve- that shit is harder than drawing I can assure you) and straight line tools? Have you ever looked in a professional illustrators toolbox? In a great number of them you would see the greatest assortment of rulers, french curves, flexible curves, circle templates, compasses, oval templates, etc. Does that somehow degrade the art? If it does, don't ever pick up a comic book, because not only are they colored on a computer, but both inkers and pencillers use all of the above with great regularity.

my bad... I meant QUADRIPLEGIC... and I meant... with their MOUTH STICK...

[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid19/p93589332c9b72021ea1270352492ed07/fdc43c17.jpg'>
[img]http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/Hypercube/Alpha.jpg'>
[img]http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/mud_buddha/aa.gif'>
[img]http://www.freephoto-i.net/users/Hypercube/Bblueprint.jpg'>

I'm just pointing out that there are obvious differences between what you can do with a pencil or pen and what you can do with a computer and photoshop...
I completely agree that you should be able to use whatever media you see fit...
I'd just rather see a sloppy sketch where someone tried than a clean letter made with the straight line tool in paint...

[Kanedigital]

Originally posted by mud_buddha



(and if you mean using bezier curve- that shit is harder than drawing I can assure you)



Tell me about it...
but it could just be me...
I taught myself photoshop...:crazy:

[bigguy]

Originally posted by cmeup
first off there is nothing wrong with tha digital images...

when i said its not fair, i meant to those who dont have those certain programs to use... (as far as the winning goes, even though there isnt a prize, but still...) winners regonizition...

i cant post anyways, i dont got a scanner or digi cam or whatever anyways...

but i just think its kinda pointless to do something for a sketch battle on tha computer... maybe not even that, but like those crazy abstract fills... or tha effects....

fuck, i dont know... i know some of you can paint what you got on them digi's but i know some people cant paint alot of that shit also...

defy, can you paint that crazy shit you do in photoshop? i wouldnt think so, im not harpin' on you, just kinda making you an example... i know you've come along way, but shit, i dont think you can paint as crazy as you can imagine shit up on tha comp in digi land...

whatever, i just wanted to see what yall thought...

im highly enjoying the creativity and tha posts in tha threads... keep up tha good work, those who are posting..

tease

Seriouslly what i think is you should shut up. yup. Just enjoy whut people have to offer.

Love me!

[imported_Tesseract]

Damn! some of you guys act like bitches! Get your shit straight...Hate all you want but be sure that no matter the medium used, brains are brains...all you 'all natural' guys should spend more time in the real world painting and leave us quadriplegics do our thing on the internet, have some pitty!!!. You want to critise the letter structure, always welcome...but dont come around trying to sabotage the little things that make internet fun...especially if you dont belong on the group that is actually posting some work here, efforts are being made on both sides, digi or not, and halfassing also...so relax and get over it, wanna contribute in the alphabattles? do so. Wanna be the ultimate judge? shut the fuck up!

[your all gay]

DAMN YALL ACT LIKE SOME HOES!

[RickJameski]

what it comes down to in reality is that this is just a message board and that no one is getting anything out of this other than a good time. it is just supposed to be about having fun, just like actual graffiti. if people want to do things in a digital format than deal with it. if you are an actual skilled writer than your shit will stand out no matter what is surrounding it (digital or not). that said i guess i will have to start posting more of my own work.

[imported_Tesseract]

15 minutes and a pencil

[img]http://freephoto-i.net/users/Hypercube/eeeeeeeee.jpg'>

[--zeSto--]

you timed yourself ?? ;)

[imported_Tesseract]

...with a rolex zest!

And to proceed on making my point clear, can you read between the lines?

[img]http://freephoto-i.net/users/Hypercube/deeeeeeeeez.jpg'>

[Al Green]

i think we should seperate it into a few categories


..
1.
pen.
or
felt tip


no eraser no color.


2.
then few color burner... whatever goes...as long as its analog.

3.
digital, photoshop...etc

4. full out pieces with backgrounds... and themes... or whatever really... "hip hop" graffiti catch phrases i can throw in there.


im open to being contested..
but id rather be agreed with...
or possibly even corrected for the advancement of mankind and peace on earth.


shalom shalom.

bobby mazal-tov

[imported_El Mamerro]

Dude, no. That's taking a simple, fun concept and making it too damn complicated and generally unfun. Nobody's winning any prizes in here, there are no final rulings as to who wins, so who cares if there's a freaking concrete sculpture of a letter in these battles.

The Transformers comic is ill, by the way. Beer,

El Mamerro

[--zeSto--]

tesseract... you're shining like a diamond rolex !!!

[imported_troy1492]

why do people care so much what people do graffiti in...GOD DAMNIT IF IT AINT A SKETCH OR DONE IN SPRAY PAINT ITS FAKE!!!!!! i still know kids who wont except rollers as real graffiti shit...wht about me? i sketch my letters and if i dont have the color pen since all mine have reaced the faded shit look now and i dont have money to get more and am not going to go rack em? do i have to loose the battle for that? or should i use a battle forum for what it is and show the best shit i can do my way? i thought half the beuty of graffiti was all the concepts that happen and all the differant ways to make your shit happen?? hmmm maybe im just an idealist

if revs can do it....

[imported_troy1492]

i just thought id mention how sad it is we couldnt even get passed D without someone getting pissy about it...