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Bant AWI

08-15-2006, 02:13 AM

to be honest with ya part of the reason i love writin is the fact that im getting one over on the law and i might get a chase, the feeling you get from outrunning a cop car is ace. i just make sure i know the surrounding area well, like all the allyways and abandoned places, like one time me and a buddy hid out all night in an Arundale's warehouse while the cops looked for us. and if there's a dog(s) just go through deep water. or climb i guess, but there's always that thing of once you're up you have to get back down.

tango 24

08-15-2006, 06:44 AM

haha a pamphlet...
maybe you could distract the cop by throwing it in his face?

casek1

08-15-2006, 08:50 AM

you don't need to carry a pamphlet. just memorize your rights. knwo what they are doign wrong. when the time comes for your legal representation, tell your attorney everything. don't incriminate yourself. they will try all kinds of tricks. that's part of their training. to be able to talk good game. i had this one pulled on me when i was 17, "you know, you're not a good liar". just clamp up your jaw and don't talk. name rank and serial number. that's all you know.
be as cooperative as possible, kind, courteous. yes sir, no sir. etc. but do not let them fool you into incriminating yourself.

have respect for them, they are out to get you, but it's their job. it's your job to know how to be a gentleman (or lady) to authority. like someone up above said, respect gets your everywhere. and look them in the eyes. they'll think you're hiding something if you don't.

alot of you younger kids need to get that through your heads. you have a right to an attorney. you have the right to remain silent. use it.

haze424

08-25-2006, 08:53 PM

Helpful Info for Canadians

Found this on bombing science, a good read for the kiddies:

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Before i get going, of course the formals:
- I am not condoning illegal graffiti writing.
- I am not condoning evading legal action or misleading police.
- I am promoting knowledge, and the right to know your own rights and freedoms.
- The following is for educational purposes only.
- The information is, as to the best of my knowledge, accurate. But no guarantees...

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If your a Canadian writer it can sometimes be hard to find information regarding to dealing with police situations. It appears as though most information found on sites relating to writing were written with the United States laws in mind (although these are similar to Canada and are worth the read), or in the rare case European laws.... but for whatever reason, information for Canadians doesn't seem to be entering these sites/forums. So here I am writing out a general guide for Canada (it is usually good idea to check local laws since provincial or municipal laws may vary, although those laws usually only affect punishment if you are found guilty). Keep in mind this guide was written with people over the legal age (18) in mind. Also keep in mind this is not a guide for running from the police, or any other illegal activities for evading the police. You can choose to use those at your own discretion depending on the situation. This is the all legal (no running, no lying, but lots of clever wording) way of keeping yourself out of shit creek.

BEING SEARCHED AND/OR HAVING ITEMS CONFISCATED :
Typically if police ask if they can search you then it's a sign you might not be as screwed over as you'd think you'd be. If police have probable cause to search you, or have a search warrant then they wouldn't need to ask you, they'd straight up tell you "I'm going to search you" or whatever. So if they ask, reply with something a long the lines of "No, I do not give you consent to search me." Remember that when dealing with the police always be polite and friendly. Being hostile, angry, or even being a smart ass can work against you. You've got to make yourself sound educated and let them know that you are aware of your legal rights and freedoms, but don't let yourself sound sarcastic or like a smart ass, so sound friendly, polite, and as cooperative as you can while still upholding your rights and freedoms in order to cover your ass. If they begin searching without asking, remember to tell them (clearly) that you do not consent to the search of yourself or your belongings. If they give you a response like "it doesn't matter" or "I'm going to search you anyway" tell them that this is unlawful and anything found under and unlawful search cannot be used in court. As the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms says "Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure."
Now let's say the police have probable cause. Probable cause can include the smell of marijuana/alcohol/etc, having clearly seen you deface property, obvious intoxication (you look/act drunk or high), etc. If an officer doesn't say anything and begins searching clearly remind them that you DO NOT give consent to be searched or to have your belongings searched. This is when they would mention probable cause (or a warrant) if they have it. Make sure the officer clearly states what probably cause he/she has, and what they are looking for. If probable cause is the smell of marijuana, then make sure they state that they are searching for marijuana. If and when they find paint/markers/etc on you, this is the same as an unlawful search, as none of those items can be used against you. This is why it's very important to make sure you know under what cause they are searching you and what they are searching for. Now to be honest, I believe that probable cause is in the discretion of the officer (another reason why being friendly/polite and as cooperative as possible is good), so that means I can't be positive if the police would consider paint on your hands/clothes or rattling cans in your schoolbag as probably cause (although being scene commit the crime is probable cause). However as far as I know, having paint on your hands/clothes is not illegal, and neither is the possession of spray paint or markers if you are over the age of 18. None the less, if you can silence your cans (I hear powerful magnets applied to the base work), wear gloves, and roll up your sleeves, it probably wouldn't hurt. Try to avoid getting paint on your shoes either. But in this case if they say they have probable cause because of cans rattling, etc, then it probably wouldn't hurt to state "I have nothing illegal in my possession and do not give consent for me or my belongings to be searched." Although the must state what they are searching for, it's probably a good idea to leave other illegal objects at home, such as drugs, alcohol (especially if open and/or if underage), weapons, etc. It also doesn't hurt to leave anything that may be incriminating (sketchbooks, etc.) at home while on missions as well. If they do search you and find spray paint, thats as incriminating as you'd want to be, no need to add salt to the wound.
Warrants is very similar to probable cause, as in the warrant is to search for a specific item. So if they have a warrant for drugs, and find paint, there is no need to get overly worried.
In general searches are not a big deal, as you can probably get off without being searched, and even if they do, all they've done is found spray paint and/or markers. This is somewhat suspicious, but not illegal, so don't incriminate yourself by admitting to have done any illegal activities with the paint/markers. If they ask if you have done anything illegal with them, you can choose to lie (if proven wrong, this could hurt you), or you could choose not to answer. The only information you are required to give to police is your name, address, and date of birth (probably shouldn't lie when giving out that information either, this can get you in even deeper shit, as giving false identification is an offense). If they give you an open-ended question like "what have you used these for" you can answer also very broadly with a response like "painting." If they ask what you were painting, time to shut your mouth and refuse to answer again. Of course, if you wanted to get real technical you could spray a little bit of paint onto a wall in your bedroom, and old bicycle, anything, and if they ask what you painted you could say "I have used this to paint a wall in my room" or "I have used this to paint my bicycle", etc. Of course, saying you ONLY used it to paint a wall/bicycle would be lying. Don't lie if you can give answers like those listed above. Notice how it says "I have used this to paint a wall in my room," and not "I have ONLY used this to paint a wall in my room." If asked why you have them in your schoolbag at such an obscure hour, you could reply that you placed them in there earlier and haven't dropped them off at home yet. This would technically be true, since you did place them in your bag earlier, and haven't dropped them off at home yet...
UPDATE (Sept 1 / 2005): A (popular) example of police trying to trick you into letting them having items in your possession that they can not legally confiscate is to ask you "If you were me, would you take the paint?". Basically this is them ASKING for LEGAL PERMISSION to take your paint away from you, but they try to word it otherwise. The best way to answer this is to say that spraypaint isn't illegal and that you'd like to keep your possessions. Don't play along with the whole 'if you were me' game, it's all a bunch of bullshit, they're just trying to get you to answer in a way that gives them the permission they need. If they could just take your paint, they would, without asking.

CAUGHT WHILE PAINTING:
Okay, let's say your painting a piece, you goto pick up a different can, you stand back for a second, anything, and the police come over. It seems pretty bad because here you are with your paint covered gloves, a can in your hand, and fresh paint on the wall, but you DO have one thing going for you, and that is that the police did not clearly see you painting the wall (this is a good idea to move all paint, and yourself, far from the wall if you hear footsteps, voices, or other strange sounds, until you investigate them). Basically that means they'll ask "did you just paint that wall?". Be careful to questions like that, and also be very aware that they probably won't word it as outright as that. They will probably make it seem as though they are making a statement rather than asking, or make it seem like they already know that you were. Just remember, if they did see you paint the wall for sure, they would not need you to say that you did. Don't get tricked into confessing without realizing it. However, that question may be risky and you are really only given 3 options. To say yes (bad idea), to deny or to simply keep your mouth shut (after all, the only information you need to give is your name/address/DOB). Let's say you deny, make up some lame lie like you saw the cans on the ground while walking by and were going to take them home with you for whatever reason. If they didn't see you painting, it may work, but its a long shot. If they did see you painting or otherwise prove your lying then you'll be in deeper shit just for lying. Now clearly not responding or stating 'I am not required by law to answer that question' will seem somewhat out of place as well. Perhaps the best way to not-answer that question is to reply asking "Are you detaining me?." If the answer is yes, ask under what grounds. If the answer is no, ask "am I free to go?" (perhaps best worded more naturally, "I should be getting home, am I free to go?". If they reply that you are not allowed to leave, then state "you just said I am not being detained, so I am free to go?". Not being free to go is in sense being detained. If the officer responds that you are being detained, ask under what cause. Chances are you already know the answer to this question. The next logical question I can think to ask after this (keep in mind you haven't admitted to painting the wall yet, you lead them off with a trail of questions) would be "am I under arrest?" If the answer is no, then repeat the process of questions about being detained, and being free to go. If the police ask you to goto the station with you (but haven't officially arrested you) than that is considered arbitrary detention, and you do not have to comply with it. Basically, to make things simpler, the only information you MUST give the police is your name, address, and date of birth. After this, the police have two options, to arrest you or to let you free. If you didn't let yourself get tricked into confessing your making yourself any more suspicious, then it MIGHT be hard for the police to lawfully arrest you, so there is a VERY SLIM possibility you will go free. If you are under arrest, there is 4 things that the officer must officially do. Make sure you pay VERY CLOSE ATTENTION to this because if they don't do one of the steps you may be able to have your case thrown out. The 4 things are:

1) Say who they are and show identification (in other words, show you their badge, etc.).
2) Tell you they are arresting you, explain why they are arresting you, and make sure that you understand why they are arresting you.
3) Touch you in a non-harmful way as an indication that you are officially under arrest.
4) They have to tell you that you have the right to call a lawyer and that you can remain silent.

Number 2 is an interesting one. If they did not see you clearly painting, and you didn't give yourself up on it, then if they say they are arresting you for painting the wall you can tell them that you don't UNDERSTAND (key word) why they are arresting you if they did not see you paint the wall. Either way they can probably argue they have enough evidence against you, but get them to point out that evidence. If they say you had spray paint, tell them that it is not illegal to have possession of spray paint and that you haven't had a chance to drop it off at home yet, etc. In other words, bring up points stating that you do not UNDERSTAND why you are under arrest if the officer did not clearly see you commit the crime. Remember to stay polite and friendly, yet sound knowledgeable, and make sure you are clearly stating you don't understand you are being arrested. If you are lucky enough, you may get off scot-free, you may be issued a warning or a caution, or something along those lines. But there is a good chance you will end up under arrest anyway.
Number 3 can also be interesting, and worth paying attention to. If the officer makes a movement as if they are going to touch you make a statement along the lines of "I do not give consent to be touched." Chances are, this won't work, but if you sounded knowledgeable talking to the officer before they may think you are a law buff and being afraid of causing trouble for themselves, they might not touch you. Excellent. Don't make a big deal of the fact they didn't touch you until you are talking to your lawyer, hopefully your lawyer can make a big deal out of this and get your case thrown out... it's a long shot, but if you can remember this it might just save your ass.
Number 4 is in the same boat as Number 3. Make sure they say it, and if they don't, don't remind them that they didn't. Leave this little detail for when you're talking to your lawyer. Speaking of which, whether they said it or not, it's good advice to remain silent and to call your lawyer. Keep in mind that according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms you are allowed privacy with your lawyer. Anyway, details aside, things didn't work out and you ended up arrested... more information in the 'You've Been Officially Arrested' Section.

YOU'VE BEEN OFFICIALLY ARRESTED:
First thing to note is that this said you've been OFFICIALLY arrested, referring to that the police used all 4 things required to officially arrest you, and that you were clearly seen painting the wall. There isn't much you can do to get out of being busted for that one wall, so this section is dedicated to keeping yourself out of even more shit once arrested. Assuming that you have been busted for that one piece they caught you painting, one thing they're very likely to do, is to try to get you to confess to other graffiti. Usually they'll do this by matching tag names, and there is a chance they'll even have photos of other graffiti you've done, and maybe even some that you haven't. So what do you do? Simple, don't admit to have done that other graffiti. I'm not saying you lie and give them a straight up no, just be calm and careful with your wording. They'll probably try to say something like "we know you did it. it's obvious, the signature looks exactly the same, blah blah blah". You don't admit to doing it, no matter what. Try to avoid lying to. The best thing if they say something along those lines would probably be "No, you don't." Now you may be thinking, I thought you said 'don't lie', and you're right. Saying "No, you don't" is you saying that the police don't know you did that other work. Its careful wording that works in a way to try to deny you from having done the other graffiti, and also undermines the police knowledge on it. Just think of it this way, how many times have you seen SLAYER or METALLICA or AC/DC written in public in the exact same style letters. If the police catch one person writing SLAYER he can't truly be blamed for everyone else who has written it exactly the same. So, don't admit to having done those other tags. If they ask why they are exactly the same say you aren't sure why it is, or that maybe you think some other kids have decided to write it too. Using the SLAYER/METALLICA/ACDC reference is something you should tell your lawyer, but not the police, perhaps he could use it in court for your defense. Let all the incrimination against you happen in the court. By letting the police no as little as possible you are able to keep them from building a case. At the same time, you are learning how they work and what they know, letting you and your lawyer build up a case. You may get busted for that one piece you got painted but they sure as hell don't have concrete evidence you painted/tagged anything else if you use these tactics. If the police continue to persist that they KNOW you did it, ask how they know you did it, etc. Reverse the tables and find out what they know and discuss with your lawyer. You can undermine them and build your case up while they learn nothing from you. Once again, I cannot stress how important it is you don't let the police know what you know, or even your tactics. This will give them something to build a case up against you. I almost forgot a very important thing, and that is what if the police outright ask you "Did you do those other tags?" A good answer would be "I cannot be responsible for what any other teenagers/kids do with spraypaint/markers/whatever." You are not lying, but you do slide the blame away from you while exploiting just how weak of a case the police have against you. The police will make it seem like they have a huge case against you, with tonnes of evidence. If they tell you scary accurate details about what you were wearing while painting another piece, or anything along those lines, reply again "I cannot be responsible for what other people do, even if it is similar to what you have accused me of doing." In the case of clothes, lets say they say you were wearing jeans and black nike hoody say "I can't be responsible for what everybody in jeans and a nike hoody has done." Again, slides the blame away without lying. Remember to be very careful not to say something like "I can't be responsible for anything anybody has done that is similar to what I had done." While it may seem like you slid the blame away, you also admitted to the crime you were arrested for. Bad idea. Even though you are probably going to get in shit for it anyway, and this section assumes you are and is about avoiding more shit, just keep in mind it's not over until the fat lady sings. Never admit, let the judge decide if the police have enough against you. If the police ever tell you that they even have pictures or video of you doing graffiti, ask to see it. Don't admit, don't deny or lie. Just say something like "well, I'm not sure how that could be, do you mind if I look at these supposed pictures/video?". Once again, be careful with wording. Do not say something like "well that'd be interesting to see," even though it's not admitting to it, it could be used against you as you aren't denying that it exists. If the photos/videos do exist, there is no proof that it is you unless there are super clear facial shots or anything of the like either. So don't fret too much. If you wear a mask in the first place, then even less to worry about. Basically, if you aren't able to come up with clever non-lying denials for what they ask, don't answer. Say you feel uncomfortable and don't want to answer, or anything along those lines, or simply say nothing at all. Because if you aren't careful and speak you can do more harm than good without even realizing it.
Another thing to keep in mind, be prepared to do some embarrassing things. If you are being interrogated they may use bathroom breaks as a way to get you to confess. This means they may have water on the table, and over time you may feel the urge to piss. While not moral they may say they can only let you use the bathroom if you confess. NEVER CONFESS. PISS YOUR PANTS BEFORE YOU CONFESS. I'm serious, I'd rather pee my pants right there and get it out of me, then to confess to things. Remember, interrogation cannot go on forever. If it goes on for what seems like too long, ask to speak to your lawyer in privacy. At the very least it'll give you a break, he can give you some tips, and you can make sure the police at the very least are conducting legal interrogation. Never sell yourself short, let the judge decide if you did what you are being accused of, no matter how much things stack against you. Also remember that police are not in charge of 'cutting you deals'. Offering less sentence time for ratting on somebody else, etc. Sentencing is upto the judge and can't be determined until you are charged with the crime (judge finds you guilty). In other words, they may say you'll get a less of a sentence if you rat somebody out, but how would the police know this if you haven't be charged or even sentenced yet. If, however, you are charged and sentenced by the judge (God forbid), then they may try to cut your sentence for real. Just remember, no matter what, NO RATTING. You know all the shit you've been through, don't make it harsh for anyone else. When and if you are sentenced, try to see if you can get into a deversion program, or perhaps community service in exchange for lesser fines and/or lesser to no jail time (if it's that serious). No matter how little the sentencing, check the alternatives out...

YOU'VE BEEN RATTED OUT:
Being ratted out is the same as the previous section on being arrested, except they didn't even catch you painting in the first place. Follow the same guidelines as the previous section on being arrested and hopefully everything works out fine. Chances are they can't prove anything unless you pretty much (and possibly inadvertedly) told them what they needed to hear. Word cleverly and surely when you can, and when you can't, say nothing at all. Basically somebody said that you do graffiti, and what you write, but they didn't list any specific places or times or places you did graffiti. A person could be a witness in court and say that you write 'whatever' but since the person didn't witness you actually do the graffiti it doesn't help the case against you much... However, the police will try to use this information to question you more, and try to get you to talk. If you've been ratted on and the police ask you to go down to the station for questioning, it's probably best to politely refuse. If after someone rats on you, the police show up and arrest you, it's best to remain silent.
Now in the case that the person who ratted on you also gives a specific time/location that he witnessed you vandalise property... well, I think in this case say NOTHING to the police, talk only to your lawyer.

HOUSE SEARCHES:
The police show up at your house with a search warrant. Check the warrant and see what it's for. Check to see what they are allowed to seize according to the search. Ask the police officers for their names and badge numbers. If the warrant is for drugs and they find paint, sketches, markers, whatever, then they can't seize that or use it against you. Seizing it or using it against you would be unlawful. If they do have a warrant for graffiti stuff, and find it, what they have no is evidence against you, but possibly not proof. It's not illegal to be in possession of those items, so you can't be arrested or charged for that. As in the previous two sections, just don't let it work against you, and don't let yourself work against you. If they find sketches, there is no proof to say that you didn't draw what you saw on the street. Drawing what you saw on the street is not illegal. Proving that because you have something on paper that you painted it on a wall can be a tough sell if you don't confess or inadvertedly tell them what they need to hear. Try wording it in such ways that don't indicate whether the sketch was drawn before or after the piece was painted. Once again, know how to be quiet, or use the Ronald Reagan "I Don't Recall" answer to questions that would be hard to answer without directly lying.

The Lie Detector:
Lie Detector (Polygraph) use is becoming more and more common, as the cost of polygraphs goes lower. Now, the first thing to keep in mind, and this is VERY IMPORTANT, is that in most (or all?) cases, you DO NOT have to take the lie detector test. The police may once again try to trick you into taking it, perhaps by telling you that by taking it you can 'clear your name right now'. Again, REFUSE to take the test, just say you'd rather be on your way or whatever, just don't take the test. In a case where the police try to make you take a lie detector test, consult with a lawyer first, seeing as how I don't think the police have a right to make you take a polygraph, but I'm not a lawyer, so it's best to check with one. I highly recommend going to http://www.AntiPolygraph.org and reading what they have, not only about how the lie detector is unreliable and had a low accuracy rate, how the lie detector is based off tricking the person taking it (you), and tips for beating a lie detector in the case that you HAVE to take one. It is not a bad or wrong thing to do, to refuse to take a lie detector test, and they can't use it against you in any sort've way, the very same way they can't use you refusing to let them search you to make you seem more suspect.

GENERAL TIPS:
- Wear gloves and roll up your sleeves. Keep the paint off your hands and clothes.
- Wear a mask. It'll keep your pretty face from unknowingly being photographed or videotaped. Plus if it's a respirator it'll keep your lungs nice and safe.
- Be aware of the environment around you while painting, as well as noises such as a car pulling up and stopping, somebody walking close by, etc, etc. When these happen, remove yourself and paint from the immediate area of the wall and investigate what's up.
- Don't leave cans at the crime scene. Finger printing is getting fairly cheap and practical for the police to use, and if they think they can bust you for other graffiti they wouldn't be against checking prints. At the same time, nobody is to say that just because you touched some cans, you actually did graffiti. Anybody can walk by a public place, see cans, pick them up to see what they are, and put them back down on the ground. Again, police will try to trick you if they have your prints... don't be fooled.
- When talking to police be calm, confident, knowledgeable, polite and friendly. Be as cooperative as possible without the risk of incriminating yourself... unless you're put under arrest, then remain silent, and only talk to your lawyer. ONLY YOUR LAWYER. (If you don't have one, say nothing anyway. Just keep saying nothing. Try to get a lawyer... and in the meantime, say nothing to the police.)
- KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. Read this over a few times, read the Canada Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
- Check these relevant links: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/ & http://www.settlement.org/sys/faqs_detail....&faq_id=4000360 & http://www.AntiPolygraph.org/
- If you are being charged with vandalism to business/private property, talk to the owners and see if you can't somehow get the charges dropped. Even so, try not to admit. Just say it isn't worth the hassle of the court system if you could simply clean it off.
- Lawyer fees are better to pay then legal fees, fines, and a record.
- You have to remember that legal thinking and logical thinking are two VERY different things. If the police present enough evidence where any sane person would easily assume you did it, you might not be caught. The legal system thinks very different. So don't let them stack evidence against you and tell you it's obvious you're caught. If this was true, they woudn't be needing you to say anything or sign anything.
- DON'T SIGN ANYTHING.
- You are innocent until proven guilty. This is why you don't have to deny things, you merely don't have to let yourself get tricked into admitting them.

ALWAYS REMEMBER:
The police, if charging you with a crime, don't need to talk to you at all... so when they're talking to you, they're only trying to get you to incriminate yourself. If they need to ask you to do something, they don't have the right to do it, or else they would've done it without asking... so whenver they ask you if they can do anything, take anything, get you to do anything, etc.... just refuse. And if you're already under arrest, it's probably best not to talk to them at all...

HardyHarHar

08-29-2006, 07:36 PM

Here's how you get away: Declare that the court is an illegal court and has no jurisdiction over you.

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Sh!

08-30-2006, 02:38 AM

yo....cops can make up all sorts of probably cause bullshit...they can say "yea well you smell like marijuana, i think i should search you" or "theres been some car break-ins and i saw something sticking out of your bag earlier"

how do you respond to these??

also when running, know when to stop and just hide.....run, then hide for like an hour and then resume....its so stupid to keep running and shit from cops.....

Yea this happened to me wen i got gripped- the law pull up and to be fair, me an me m8 r lukin bait as fuk, but they sed ther av bin sum cars broken into round the area-can we search ur bags which obviously lead to the " you do no have to say anything....." line and nice cold handcuffs.

TrAk KoniG

09-01-2006, 04:18 AM

Is it actually Illegal to Be on the commuter rail traks? And o yeah Transit police are really sad anyways but jus askin

cacacaKEKEKE

09-01-2006, 04:39 AM

fuck cops.

HK Army

09-02-2006, 01:09 AM

yea cops try to persuade you so much, but if they see anything, they can search you, just like at a party, if they dont see tons of smoke when u open the door, or like kids that are definatly underage drinking, they cant search your house.

Super Z

09-04-2006, 10:10 PM

You do have the option of not being searched if you were not caught in the act

tango 24

09-05-2006, 02:03 PM

oh yerrrrr
cops are really gonna ask you nicely...
wait until you actually get caught
and you're wrong
they actually have the legal right...

destruction

09-05-2006, 02:07 PM

kids, kids, kids.....stop playing mark ecko's game.
go back to your other lives of following some other bandwagon.
it's less trouble than this and you don't even have to be dedicated.

hahaha

hyrax

09-05-2006, 10:48 PM

fuck cops.

Thank you for your insight

NaughtyApe

09-06-2006, 03:31 AM

Ok this is big

evryone says u can refuse to be serched

no listen up

If your 17 or under

and your out between 11pm and 6am they cant serch you but they can arrest you for break of cerfew unles su have a friend with u that is over 18

night

09-07-2006, 01:44 AM

i think thats different in different states

crews

09-29-2006, 03:23 PM

MOE-LESTER

10-11-2006, 05:05 AM

COPS CANT CATCH YA IF YOUR USING THE ROCKETMAN GET UP!! 50 DOLLARS A POP GET AT ME CHUCH
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primo on the track

10-12-2006, 04:24 AM

actually if i'm bombing and the cops start chasing me i usually go to the airport and hop on a plane

dontsleep34

10-12-2006, 05:32 AM

dontsleep34

10-12-2006, 05:34 AM

kids, kids, kids.....stop playing mark ecko's game.
go back to your other lives of following some other bandwagon.
it's less trouble than this and you don't even have to be dedicated.

ahah word some kids on my block are so into it they write trane and dip ahahah

I'm not kidding they seriously try n copy sum of the pieces from this game and tag trane up everywhere

sacksplayer

10-14-2006, 02:03 PM

FOTO_PHILE

10-14-2006, 11:40 PM

regardless of where you're at it seems cops are still assholes.they will search you, i repeat, they will search you.
>>>how to not get caught

1.dont let yourself be seen walking to the spot.
2.gloves
3.ditch evidence i.e. gloves,caps,paint,etc; anything incriminating
4.tale flicks the next day, cops find a camera full of flicks on the same nite youre painting youre fucked.
5.know your area and be aware of your surroundings.dont hesitate to plan shit out well.
6.people with a ride are always good to have i.e while you paint they drive around.
7.dont stay in the area for too long.do your shit and dip.
8.clean clothes.and dont burn yourself up; dress low-profile. cats know whats the deal if they see you lookin' all graff about it(northface,hip hop type shit)
9.no extra baggage.just take the necessary.
10.lookouts are great.
11.groups of three are sweet.especially if the other two are lookin out.
12.walkie/cells. the only problem with the walkies is that the fuzz can hear whats up so if you do bring walkies make sure not to say anything too revealing.
13.street tags are a burn up.ive gotten arrested one too many times for tags.its the perfect opportunity for a cop to know what you write.if you are to do street tags be smart.whatever works.

peace and regards from the windy city.*

technic

10-15-2006, 03:34 PM

technic

10-15-2006, 03:34 PM

slep123

10-15-2006, 11:24 PM

dam i didnt even know they cant search ur bag.. i got caught tp.ing cus they looked in my bag..

tango 24

10-16-2006, 03:24 AM

yeh foto you put everything i was about to say, also i was wonder, idunno if anyone asked this but if you do get caught paintin whats the charges? and can you go to jail for a long time? ive never been caught thats why im askin lol obviously
you sound too young to have done any major damage, and your curfews probably about 9
so you've got nothing to worry about
i got community service after being surrounded in a train yard by the 5-0 with 4 mates
and a 10 000 dollar fine
still paying it off

¤Shark¤

10-16-2006, 08:44 AM

well. in aus. depends. if u deface public property or transport system, not inclusive of shit like bombin, then the penalty can be up to $2,500, which is 25 penalty units. 1 penalty unit= $100. for differnet crimes this can go up or down. if u are under 18 u may be able to get off with a smaller fine and some community service.

FOTO_PHILE

10-19-2006, 02:28 AM

depends what city you're from.look up the laws and city ordinances and such to see whats up.if you're still a minor then they cant do much...most likely community service.but once you're not a minor anymore they can charge you with heavier stuff; you might end up having to pay fines,do a bit of time.you just gotta watch out.dont get caught.no one wnats to anyway.follow the rules and play it safe.*yeh foto you put everything i was about to say, also i was wonder, idunno if anyone asked this but if you do get caught paintin whats the charges? and can you go to jail for a long time? ive never been caught thats why im askin lol obviously

FOTO_PHILE

10-19-2006, 02:30 AM

oh yeah and by the way.most likely if police dont catch you painting but they find paint on you there isnt much they can do.they can charge you for possession here where je habites but its a minor thing.catching someone in the cat is totally different.they have more evidence against you if its like that.*

dontsleep34

10-20-2006, 08:43 AM

ahah Foto I like how you added je habites to your other wise english statement. Also Cops do not have the right to arrest us for posession of paint where I live, its legal but lots of clerks are ansy.

Juanskee

10-24-2006, 07:50 AM

run forest run...

KRUM

10-24-2006, 08:02 AM

COPS CANT CATCH YA IF YOUR USING THE ROCKETMAN GET UP!! 50 DOLLARS A POP GET AT ME CHUCH
http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/122/rocketman_dummy.gif

...hahaha (Inhales) AAAAHAHAHAH....

face

11-01-2006, 11:00 PM

Youtube has some excellent videos that teach the best way to deny searches and such. I learned a lot and some friends of mine have since put it to use.

Decay_RA

11-08-2006, 02:29 AM

Just watch what the hell you're doing. Don't be retarded about it. Make sure you're clean at all times. Don't have tags on your hands or bag or paint anywhere on you. Refuse to get searched. Just try, try, try. A lot of times, cops will still get around your excuses and shit.

And if you get caught painting, if they're an ass-fuck vigilante, I find it best to yell an insult and run hard to a hiding spot. If it's a cop, from experience, be a nice little kid. Don't be an asshole or pushy to the cop. Cops still hold the right to beat you down and say you attacked them. Don't try to run unless you're damn sure you know the way out or if you know you could get away. Just comply. The officer that caught me ended up letting me go without it being on my record, but then again, I hadn't done much damage.

GraffChangedMyLife

11-13-2006, 12:54 AM

ides

11-13-2006, 09:16 AM

you run all the way to the airport and simply hop on a plane makes sence.... retard

be polite refuse to let them see if they ask why not say its your right to privicy if they ask how old you are and your under 17 say 17 its the easyest thing to do I no 17 year olds who are 5 foot 6 pinner kids

You do realize you will get into a lot more trouble if you get caught lying to the police.

Also even if they search you it doesn't mean shit.
Unlawful searches won't hold in court.
You just tell them you do not give them consent to search you. If they don't need consent they won't ask your permission. Remind them unlawful searches do not hold in court.

ides

11-13-2006, 09:22 AM

alright, we were all out peicin on this carwash and the police rolled through seen my boy eden and me, my other homies eski and epic weren't seen. so my homie eden and me take off, he runs straight and i weave the cop car and go through the carwash and roll around to the backside to catch up with eski and epic again. the three of us got away but the cops caught eden. he was taken to jail and they got inside his head and he ratted and gave all our actual names. what is the worst that can be done here to the three of us that didn't get caught, all they have are names right? the three of us that didn't get caught cleaned out our rooms and housed and our computers all the flicks that we have and everything so we are completely clean so it looks like our crew never exsisted and we never tagged a day in our lives but can they still slap us with fines and warrants?

Deny and have an alibi (ie if you snuck out your parents are an alibi because they will say you were home because to their knowledge you were). Deny, deny, deny. Innocent until proven guilty. If they didn't catch you at the scene it's quite hard for them to get you for it without you self incriminating yourself. Tell all of your friends to deny everything and not give into their tricks. You could even run the story that he's just got non graff related beef with you three...

tango 24

11-13-2006, 09:54 AM

You do realize you will get into a lot more trouble if you get caught lying to the police.

Also even if they search you it doesn't mean shit.
Unlawful searches won't hold in court.
You just tell them you do not give them consent to search you. If they don't need consent they won't ask your permission. Remind them unlawful searches do not hold in court.

you must live in the perfect world, that or you've never been subject to a search
the courts will take the word of a policman over some punk vandal any day of the week, doesnt matter that you say you denied the search, they wont believe you

ides

11-13-2006, 10:37 AM

Nope, I've been arrested for assault and had police attempt searches many times.
When that happens you talk to your lawyer immediately and lodge a complaint.

Policemen can lose their jobs for lying like this, do you think they'd risk it just to take one vandal down (and he'll most likely only get a warning or petty punishment)?

GraffChangedMyLife

11-13-2006, 10:35 PM

i cleaned out my whole fuckin house and made sure that i don't have anything to do with writing, imma lay low for bout 2 months then get another name, i'll have to practice it while layin low so when i come back, its with a vengence

PS - is 2 months long enough or too long?

creepz

11-16-2006, 06:01 PM

i'd give it 6 months...depends on how many ups you actually have they could be watching your every move

Shefone

11-16-2006, 07:57 PM

you must live in the perfect world, that or you've never been subject to a search
the courts will take the word of a policman over some punk vandal any day of the week, doesnt matter that you say you denied the search, they wont believe you

Keeping in mind that the cat ur arguing with is from NZ, and ur probably from somewhere else so different laws do apply.

GraffChangedMyLife

11-16-2006, 11:36 PM

whaa six whole months? that's a long ass time bro.........i cant be away that long because i wont know what to do wit myself for those months. i live eat and breath this shit...plus im havin to pick up a new tag because my old one is now known by the cops

honest abe

11-16-2006, 11:58 PM

funny this topic is on most read, i read it and went out side and theres a cop parked out in front of my house, like right in front, looking at me, but he got out and went to bust the neighbors for some shit..
WHOOAAAA

dontsleep34

11-18-2006, 07:42 AM

you must live in the perfect world, that or you've never been subject to a search
the courts will take the word of a policman over some punk vandal any day of the week, doesnt matter that you say you denied the search, they wont believe you

very true. I just finished paying off around 7500 in graffiti or what the judge called public defication. The cop didnt have much on me except a glove and wet paint and that seemed to be enough.

xK70Kx

11-24-2006, 02:30 AM

just watch this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8520847761350501823&q=flex+your+rights&hl=en

smuf

11-24-2006, 11:04 PM

okay heres my damn story I finally got busted,I live in a lil hick town so cops got nothing better to do well some kids went over my shit so I went over thier shit but in a hot spot of the town so everybody can see mine is bigger you know.Well on the way back my and my boy was throwing handstyles on signs and power boxes just goofing off.well sure enough we were half way to my house and BAM THREE COP CARS CAME OUT OF LEFT FILED we were like deer in headlights we had a six foot brick wall behinde us and a roard that has no where to duck off into its a suburb.I had a walmart bag with two cans and they basically bullshited with us and I Was like firing back answers until he was like let me see your bag I was like okay. well I forgot one of my caps clogged and got paint all over my hands he looked and I was like fuck.So he asked what have I been painting I was like stencils he was like where I was like at my house I had to get more paint.He sat us down and came back and was like okay well my partner just saw some silver graffiti on a wall is that yours I was like yeah he said okay we sat there waited a while he came back and was like you are not going to jail but I do have to file a report. I was like okay then he told us go do it in the city.me and my boy were like what?he just replied this is not the place for it.it turned out he use to write a long time ago after his partner left he let us go but kept the paint I was lucky,he also let me keep my caps and shit too. he just said it looked like we were trying to artistic I just went with it he dropped us off at a store and was like stop it in this town okay I just notted changed my name and just been hitting the ditches there are like way to many not to miss and nobody even goes in them.
So I guess I got off lucky.
still sucks though I liked those damn colors.

tango 24

11-25-2006, 11:41 AM

thats what you get for living in hickvile
he's right tho
graffiti looks bad in small towns
go to the big smoke and kill shit there

try9

12-16-2006, 10:31 PM

The question is, though, if not allowing them to search your bag incriminates yourself and gives them probable cause.
it might where you are...but here i don't have that problem...i had some pigs tackle me and search my bag for no apparent reason...i went to court and i got it thrown out...damn cops

try9

12-16-2006, 10:33 PM

kids, kids, kids.....stop playing mark ecko's game.
go back to your other lives of following some other bandwagon.
it's less trouble than this and you don't even have to be dedicated.

shit man that games is bring so many kids into this game that shouldn't be here...there's these two kids just down the street from me that take shit from the game and tag it on peoples houses...but they are an easy way to get free paint

bub-ole

12-17-2006, 03:44 AM

shit man that games is bring so many kids into this game that shouldn't be here...there's these two kids just down the street from me that take shit from the game and tag it on peoples houses...but they are an easy way to get free paint

yeah the free paint thing is good but dont let them tag on peoples houses teachum some skills and lettering and then we wont have grand theft auto graffiti like my town. the video games these days have more tagging than before just like tony hawk,gta and the ecko game im tired of seeing "Grove Street For Life" tags on perfect walls just teach the youth and we wont have shit tags lol

Genome

12-29-2006, 02:54 AM

I fucking hate that grand theft graffiti Ecko bullshit. Back when I was still in Detroit I walked into an old warehouse complex by the river and saw a bunch of TRANE stencils up all over the damned place. I mean, if the game makes you want to do graff, whatever, cool, fine, and all that, but you can't take 10 seconds to think up a new handle? You have to go and write a tag from a fucking sell-out video game about fighting the establishment by paying the establishment a bunch of money for an Xbox and game?

Seriously, what the fuck.

And regarding the previous question about lying low - I was lying low for about four months before I started getting up again - but I got busted and didn't want to be out on the streets the next day with a new tag - the cops are stupid sometimes, but not that stupid - they would be able to figure out somebody getting up in all my old spots with a new tag in my old styles.

bub-ole

12-29-2006, 02:57 AM

bump that post^ playing those games made me want to change my name so i did lmao and im glad i did because my shit flows so much nicer that my old shit

TALL_HOUSE

12-31-2006, 10:02 PM

1.ADMIT TO NOTHING.
2.IF YOU GET A LITTLE SCARED AND THEY TURN THIER BACKS, RUN!
3.BE NICE AND ACT A LITTLE TO NICE ;) ALWAYS WORKS LMAO

dontsleep34

01-01-2007, 12:29 AM

genome you think a couple of stencils are bad man come to my town all you see is Toy written over like famous writters (local writters) and trane beside all of them. These kids even take Dipset and Ghost from the game even thought ghost is from victoria(RIP) and the other ghost is a new york legend.

microtko

01-04-2007, 09:10 PM

yeah and if your wearing gloves take them off when you walk from spot to spot, take that word of advice from dumbass over here, cop thought i was a jewel thief or burglar or something, but i just told him i had a kinky girlfreind and i was just coming home from her house and i forgot to take the gloves off, he bought it. lol

:lol: oh wow. haha. you're one slick cat.

¤Shark¤

01-05-2007, 05:31 AM

:lol:

best cover story ive heard so far

alexb34876

01-06-2007, 01:56 AM

i have a question on drug sniffing dogs:

recently i was at the airport and while i was at the baggage claim waiting for my luggage there was a police officer walking around with a dog who was sniffing everyone. that isnt legal, right? do drug sniffing dogs count as a form of a search?

tango 24

01-06-2007, 12:13 PM

put two and two together
it makes four

KntOner

02-10-2007, 11:27 PM

anywhere i can find out the irish laws???

dontsleep34

02-13-2007, 07:11 AM

5 beer minimum^

SpAzOne PSA!

02-17-2007, 03:12 AM

ALLWAYS RUN FUCK GETTING ARRESTED:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

fuck molly

02-17-2007, 04:46 AM

^^^Theres your answer.

I dont fuck around with any late night conversations with police. I am a minor, so its against the law for me to even be out in the early hours of the morning. Most of the time cops dont say shit, but if they aproach me, im out.

Also, ive found no backpack makes a huge differance. obviously sometimes you need one when your on fat mission, but for 1 or 2 spot missions you should get a jacket that has hella weird pockets that fit cans and shit.

bub-ole

02-17-2007, 05:36 AM

saks

02-17-2007, 05:36 AM

im with spazone

S!n7

02-18-2007, 07:31 AM

i got a question dont know if it goes here but what about sticker trading??...how do you know whos legit and whos not a fed tryina get your address

fuck molly

02-18-2007, 07:40 AM

Can you read? If you can, you should read the title of the threads.

Genome

02-18-2007, 03:14 PM

^^Seriously, kid - Sticker trading? You even look, or you just go clicking around with your eyes closed?

Jesus.

To answer your off-topic question now before you go ask in another wrong thread, go by the post count - don't trade with most people with Rookie or Junior Member status unless you know them.

S!n7

02-18-2007, 04:31 PM

obviously i knew there was a sticker trading post but why would i post it in here i wouldnt wanna post it in the middle of where everyone is doin transactions but forget it i thought the same thing post counts and i guess that sums it up thanks for helping

lionheart

02-20-2007, 04:19 AM

i dont know if this has been covered but is being under 18 and being out past curfew give them a reason to search you or your bag

bub-ole

02-20-2007, 04:38 AM

no it will just get you a curfew violation or warning most the time and they have no reason to search you

jAHEONer

02-22-2007, 09:18 AM

cut the crap DONT SAY SHIT DONT SAY 1 WORD THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT

COME TO COURT FEWM ONTHS LATER
THEY GOT NO EVIDENCE
AND DROP THE CHARGES END OF STORY

E-light

04-23-2007, 01:15 AM

kick the cops in the balls

twinky the kid

04-23-2007, 02:31 AM

okay i dunno if it been said yet but ill let you guys in on the twinky stratagy, be smart a cop will most likely leave you alone if your not wearin a messenger bag or a big poofy jacket i dont really advise that you ever go bombing with either, put your paint in a bag from Mcdonalds or another food or grocery store, etc.. it does work and i have been questioned then let go for using the old noggin once or twice, just say your making your way home with dinner, etc.. trust the twinky on this on...

Tails0nE

04-28-2007, 06:11 AM

one question ive just been wondering about. i got arrested a while ago, if im out bombing and police decide to stop me and find all the paint n what not, but follow the whole 4th amendment right speech n all the stuff in the first post, will my record fuck me over or am i in the clear?

beantownbeatz

04-28-2007, 06:17 AM

kid your fucked, fuck talking to jakes the average person is to stupid to talk to pigz

dirtythirty

04-28-2007, 08:29 AM

always deny everything. No matter what they say. and wait for your public defender.

Bruce_1nR

05-07-2007, 02:45 PM

AHHHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHA, you made your name based off of that wyse piece? get the fuck outta here...

abcdhfhaskjdh

05-07-2007, 05:18 PM

yeah and dont incriminate yourself, its in the 5th amendment. You can just stand there and look like u dont know wats going on, and if they ask for ur ID it all depends state by state, so check ur local laws.

Cops are trained to make YOU tell on yourself, so dont be intimidated and just shut up and if u have to talk say something along the lines of "officer i dont understand what is going on"

Ill link up a video thats got all these legal issues adressed, its pretty dope.

oh_snap

05-21-2007, 06:00 PM

my friend and i were out just doing marker tags and got stopped while just walking down a street. the cop said that someone was trying to break into a pop machine, and we matched the description. we obviously denied it, because we had just tagged it and hadn't broken into the damn thing.
cop searched us and asked why we had markers. we told him we were walking back from a friends place and were helping him with an art project for school. after checking us for warrents, he let us go. it was just a waste of 30 minutes. but, i'd rather waste 30 minutes than have been sittin in the back of his car in cuffs.
and i've had to book numerous times. layin low in a bush for like an hour aint fun either, but better than gettin caught.

Goofygooober

05-23-2007, 01:18 AM

strap a fucking bomb on yourself and if a pig approaches you make sure he calls for backup so you can take out as many of them as you can when it blows.

Stimme

05-29-2007, 03:47 AM

and i've had to book numerous times. layin low in a bush for like an hour aint fun either, but better than gettin caught.

QFT,

I had to do that shit a couple nights ago and at the time i was thinking, "wtf am i doing? i laugh at people that do this shit on cops.", but then after i got away i was just like "fuck i guess it wasn't that bad"

bub-ole

06-04-2007, 04:05 AM

shit if i was a ninja i would be bouncin' all over the yard poppin' pieces like skittles. its always a good idea to have a ditch spot to that way if the 5-0's do come you can stash your stuff and come back later.

Evangelion>Ogre

06-04-2007, 03:34 PM

This makes sense, but somehow, I think it's a lot more complex than it seems..But while
the idea is flawed, it certainly seems plausible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6704029.stm

bub-ole

06-04-2007, 05:02 PM

This makes sense, but somehow, I think it's a lot more complex than it seems..But while
the idea is flawed, it certainly seems plausible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6704029.stm Are you kidding me that is the most bogus thing i have ever heard.look at it this way people like Timber and Gamble dont have to worry about getting caught because their work looks like alien writing lol.and a new way to waste some cash.

Evangelion>Ogre

06-04-2007, 05:27 PM

NO. If you think about it, there are a lot of people who would have to be a
lot more careful if technology like this went nationwide. You might say it sounds bogus just
because they're talking about gang shit, but the truth is, if our government decided to really
invest in something like this, a good number of people would be in for some serious shit.
God forbid, freight flicks alone would be enough to put one person away for a loooong time,
if a database was kept of all said persons' work.

Not to mention the fact that it brings us one baby step closer to living in a police state..

But whatever, right?

bub-ole

06-04-2007, 11:38 PM

it seems surreal to me because the graffiti writers dont want attention from "normal people" they want other writers attention so if there is a problem with gang graffiti then they should go to the gangs not the true writers that arent doing much harm.yeah we break into yards and write on box cars, but we arent the ones that are doing drive bys and robberies we are the ones that sit online looking at flicks and using google earth to plan our next move in a yard not killing anyone to get into the yard. it might be good in the long run but i think its crazy. the best data base is 12oz if you think about it. you need a flick ask and someone will post it within 24 hours.

Cease MBC

07-14-2007, 11:11 PM

worrrrrd

graflove

06-12-2009, 05:02 AM

RUN when they got there backs turned

J-ozone

06-16-2009, 08:01 AM

Watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

Then this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE

This is kinda lame but helpful...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

Mr Nut Professor

06-16-2009, 10:20 AM

make sure when painting a spot to always have gloves on , try as hard as you can to not get any paint on yourself even if you get spotted leaving the spot if they didnt see you painting it in the act and even if they suspect its you ...its not what they know its what they can prove....always do your homework on your spots... thats all the advice i could give

Mr Nut Professor

06-16-2009, 10:22 AM

oh yeah......if all else fails...run for your fucking life

deny , deny, deny

fumstoo

06-20-2009, 08:18 AM

I got busted a while back and have talked to a kid and he told me this. "You didn't paint shit. lie till you die." I believe him but would like some other peoples input.

heres the situatio:
Me and two buddy were bombing the freeway, finished, got in the car and drove off. we drive by a cop and he flips a 'u' and pulls us over. my buddy in the front seat bolts out of the car. the cop tells me to get out, asks to see my hands. the can i was using kinda blew up so i had some paint on my hands. he asked who was painting, i said just me. he put me in the back of his car and talked to my other friend. he asked to search my car and i said 'the trunks locked, search the cab' (first mistake). he popped the trunk and found about 30 cans. fuck.

I'm wondering if i should say i told the guy ' no, you can't search my car' or what?

if i dont lie about that what should i say the paint is for?

So, what can you tell me other than i have bad grammer? Any advice is appreciated.

JRK!

09-03-2009, 11:56 PM

If you are caught walking away from a tag and hadnt had time to take your gloves off just tell the cop your a gemaphob that enjoys taking pictures of graffiti. and if theres paint on the gloves mention that there fresh paint on a wall. This might convince them that the long oval shaped objects are lenses.

.hopeless.

09-04-2009, 12:31 AM

jrk if thats your plan than your in for a world of hurt.your not fooling anyone.cops get lied to on a daily basis.that lame ass excuse isnt getting you anywhere.if a cop sees you with gloves on he's gonna know something up and hope to god he isnt thinking BNE.the best thing to do is probably to run.if your walking away from a tag and you have gloves on the first thing he's gonna do is stop you,then he friskes you finds the can and by the time he puts two and two together your ass is on your way to jail.run nigga.
fumstoo.it wouldnt have mattered if you said no or not.your homie bailed and youve
already confessed to a crime so he has more than enough probable cause to pop the trunk regardless of what you say.and its not your car in the first place so you didnt have a say to begin with...if you DID say no.he would have probably placed you under arrest on the spot and then searched the vehichle following incident of arrest.its a loophole they use to basicly fuck you out of your 4th amendment rights...not much you can do about it.the best thing to do is not bring your car with you or park up the block and make sure you werent followed to it...

Lewis and Clark

11-05-2009, 05:07 PM

deny and run always, graffiti isnt a crime unless its reported or they see you. i got in more trouble for drinking in public last time a cop checked me out

1NSANE

11-05-2009, 09:23 PM

this sounds crummy but its would be good to put a newspaper on top of the paint, spray whatever.
but its best to say your boss in messenging has a privacy policy haha ;)

murderland_bgk

11-10-2009, 03:23 AM

i got busted a month a go it sucked some random dude tryed to tackle me it was funny

Sancheeto!

11-15-2009, 07:05 PM

I don't know if this has been said, but if you have paint on your fingers, say you major in art or something and say you were fingerpainting. Even though it sounds kinda stupid. Or if you're younger, say you have a little brother or sister and say you were fingerpainting with them. Worked for me.

Another is, if your out past curfew and your under 18 or whatever, and cops stop you, then say you stayed the night at your friends, and you're in a rush and you're dad called you because he needed you to babysit because his girlfriend had to go to the hospital and he's going to see her. I said this when I wasn't painting or anything, but got caught sneaking to a friends house.

CoLdCaNs

11-16-2009, 07:35 AM

You have the right to remain silent....remember? They seemingly always remind you of that when your fucked. Be smart, if you don't know how to handle this, your already fucked. Oh, and i don't care what anybody says, carry your ID...That's your first step to getting out of shit. The rest is whatever you can make of it. Your creative right? For all you are an artist...Right?

XeNa

11-22-2009, 12:58 AM

www.Flexyourrights.org .. i tooka Criminal justice class at the college i go to.. was definitely worth taking. helped me out of a few binds :D

just be smart, know your rights, have a couple plans when ur out doin your thing. common sense isnt it?

Good Morning.

11-23-2009, 09:03 AM

if they didnt see you do it, you're innocent.
just dont give yourself away

Good Morning.

11-23-2009, 09:04 AM

oh and its already been said a million times but seriously
the 5th is a really helpful amendment.

EKSR

11-27-2009, 07:12 PM

its threads like this that ruin talking youre way out of it for everyone

shokgobc

01-06-2010, 06:46 AM

refuseing to allow them to search you in no way incriminates you...simply ask to see the search warrant...when they can't produce one tell them you see no reason why you are being detained and walk away...most of the time if they push things further THEY are the ones breakig the law and anything that happens will be counted as inadmisable in court which means you're scott free...
Another important thing to remember is that it is not against the law to carry paint around...it is only against the law to use that paint illegally...so unless they SEE you doing something you're usually ok.

is that in all the us??cuz out in CA its illeagle for a minor to carry paint..

fishsticks

01-08-2010, 12:37 AM

I think anytime you go paint, you need to establish a get away route. ALWAYS.

DRIPS.1[VTS]

01-12-2010, 04:43 PM

/\ agreed.always gotta have a plan

PRIMERoner

01-14-2010, 06:31 AM

fuck it, just run LOL

'eat' paint

01-14-2010, 07:07 AM

...if you are searched based on the notion that you smell like weed, then they are searching you for weed...not paint...if they find paint that is in no way linked to your smelling of weed... remember having paint is not against the law (...yet?) They will ask you why you have paint so be able to come up with a good excuse...Lying is essential to getting away

to further prove this point think about this... let's say the police have all kinds of evidence that i am selling drugs...they spend weeks and weeks getting proff and finally have enough for the magistrate to issue a search warrant for my house... upon busting in to my house they find: a prostitution service in my living room, an illegal casino in my bedroom, a conterfeit money lab in a clost and a full out cock fight in the basement... since their warrant is for drugs they can not arrest me for any of these other crimes, because before entering my residence they had no proof of such things... Being stopped on the streeet is the same way, if they search you looking for one thing and they find something else they can't do anything about it...esspecially if what they find is not in itself illegal (paint) but only implies by assumption an illegal activity...

utterly true.

'eat' paint

01-14-2010, 07:09 AM

dont have a mask on either .unless u gunna run....and if so...run fast ..run fast...

peanutpants

01-19-2010, 12:00 AM

^^trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lol

liquorsick.

03-08-2010, 06:49 AM

cops will do what they want, if they want to search you they will, walking away would probably result in your face on the concrete and a ticket for resisting arrest. later the police will lie in court, your best bet is either running or denying everything.. at least in california.

simon_kenton

03-17-2010, 11:00 PM

utterly true.

that happen to me when i was 18 they hit me whit puching a cop haveing weed and some thing else i beat all the shit whit a the help of the aclu and a lil help form me weed link but cool hind your guns well and stay to your story

BORN+DEAD

03-21-2010, 12:58 AM

If your stopped going to or coming from a spot and the cop ask to search you just say "you have no cause to search me" I know my rights and I stand by them, here and in court with my lawyer if need be? then see what the cops does.

bloodsweatxylene

03-21-2010, 01:26 AM

Know your rights. Buy the book "beat the heat", best source of information for anyone against the system. Deffinately worth the 10$.

.hopeless.

03-21-2010, 04:14 AM

ima help yall out,seeing as ive been to jail a few times so i know what mistakes not to make and shit.

first off.be prepared.know what spot your gonna hit before you even do it.know what kinda traffic is goin on in that place,foot or otherwise,around the time you plan on doing the spot.make sure that there are no cameras or if their are that you bring a mask and all that shit before hand.the most important thing to remember is to have found out every potential escape route before hand.this is not a guarantee your gonna get away but atleast your not just running in random directions,you atleast know where your going and all that.i also like to stash my cans within a block or so of where im going to be painting at.this way im not walking around with cans and shit.,unless im just gonna go bombing and shit,then i just walk around and whatnot.this isnt always a good idea because someone could find that shit easily,so if you do it make sure you hide that shit real well.like in a garbage can or on a roof or something...i only do this because i have to walk and all that shit plus im underaged.yadda yadda.

when you go out to paint...make sure you TIE YOUR FUCKING SHOES.TIE YOUR FUCKING SHOES.TIE YOUR FUCKING SHOES.i say this because i know niggas who have a bad habit of either not tying them up or doing a half assed job of it and have them thangs fly off in a foot chase.dont do this.if you got running shoes even better.vans and any skateboarding/big toed shoes suck dick to run in.their big as fuck and they dont fit well in fences if you have to jump the tall ones.unfortunately for me i have huge ass size 12's so none of my shoes fit very well in them hoes but whatever.make sure your pants are pulled up and all that to.another big nono is wearing all black.THERE IS NO NEED TO WHERE ALL BLACK.DONT DO IT.you dress like a fucking cat burglar niggas are gonna think something is up.dont dress like a hoodlum either.dress like a normal human being..just someone out clubbin or whatever.or dress like a bum.pretend your homeless is always good because then fools just think you belong on the streets so being out at 3am isnt as shocking to fools.this doenst work if your ass is in some ritzy neighborhood where homeless people arent common.then you stick out like a sore thumb and probably will get called in hella quick.

bottom line if you think your spotted,get out of there...dont sit around and second guess that shit,you can always come back and finish that shit.not if your in jail though.if its just a civilian walk calmly out of their line of site before dippin out.if its a cop just book it as fast as possible.dont let them get to close to you where you can,most people have this idea in their head that cops are all fat fucks who are out of shape and all that shit,that is not true.most of these cops nowadays are in better shape than most of you kids on here.they train for long distance..so should you.i try to run everyday and get my stamina up and all that.being fast doesnt mean shit when you can only run a block before tiring out..anyways if you are getting chased KEEP MOVING.they will set up partols in that area trying to cut you off,so you want to get out of the area quickly...only hide long enough for you to catch your breath or if you know that you have put distance between you and them.hiding in trees is always good.believe it or not very few people try and look up in trees for fools.dont try hiding under cars or in open sheds or anything like that.they will find you.thats one of the first places they check for you.plus hiding under cars mean you cant go anywhere once they find you.your stuck basicly...

i'll put up more when im not tired...

Pew_Pew_Pew

03-21-2010, 02:14 PM

^good advice

can u put a space between ur sentances next time? :lol:

.hopeless.

03-21-2010, 05:01 PM

NO.i refuse to stoop to your level of good punctuation and grammatical skillz...

also you spelled your and sentences wrong.

Pew_Pew_Pew

03-22-2010, 01:08 AM

I didn't say my grammar and spellin wuz purfict. I do like to sea a spayse between sentunses every onse in a whyle.

DEEN XMEN

03-22-2010, 02:49 AM

Some good reading and good laughs.. Props.. English 101

dkaeoner

05-09-2010, 01:33 AM

run run run, jump jump jump, hide hide hide

ever elusive

05-17-2010, 03:33 AM

A guy a few posts up had some good advise about evading pursuit. I wanted to add one thing to that. Get a bicycle and learn to ride it well. If you can ride a mountainbike or even bmx bike at a sprinting pace over/around damn near any obstacle in your path you will be a formidable opponent. One great thing about a bike is that if you dress normally you just look like a guy riding his bike, so I kind of use it as a disguise as well as a tool for evasion. Plus if you have to bail on foot a bike is fairly cheap you can just ditch it and get another one, better than getting your car impounded when you get arrested. 90% of my work has been done with the help of a bike. Being on a bike has saved my ass more than a few times.

DocOne

05-19-2010, 04:14 AM

advice for bikers

I looked at alot of posts early in this thread and I see things about having a backpack, shoulder bag, whatever.

Not a terrible idea with the whole "consent to search" thing, but also not the best, cuz cops are dick heads and are gonna search you regardless.

for riding abike, there are these small back pack type things called camelbacks, I'm sure everyone knows what I'm talking about, it has a pouch for water in its only main compartment, and a tube running up one of the straps to your mouth.... cut the tube at the base right infront of the pouch, take the pouch out, but keep the tube in its place, with the pouch out, you can fit quite a few cans in there, and no one will suspect that, everyone knows what those things are, that they only carry water.

anyway, in the rare event that you might get pulled over, all you gotta say when they ask what you are doing out so late or whatever... "I want to excercise and hate traffic so I go out late"............ or if you look in shape enough to use this excuse (i dont) "I'm preparing for a triathlon and dont wanna stop for traffic every corner"

something along those lines, you get the picture...

COSK36

05-19-2010, 06:29 AM

Yeah i do most of my shit on bike for a couple of reasons. 1). you look a hell of a lot less suspicious than some fool walking arond all hoodied out with a clanky back pack. 2). Rest that shit up against a wall, climb on top of the frame and hit some high spots. 3). It solidifies a a story of "yeah i was just painting some shit (assuming that the cop has searched you and still giving you a chance to talk haha) over at my friend's house but he lives kinda far so I didn't wanna walk" etc. you get the idea. Anyway I really like the camelback idea I'm definately gonna look into that. This is kinda off topic but does anybody have some advice to make your bag less noisy when its stacked with cans?

Vossy

05-19-2010, 07:42 AM

^^^ Pack full cans and stand them upright. That's all you really need to do. If you are super paranoid you could wrap them in a towel, but I think that doesn't do much and just takes up room in your bag.

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pos

06-22-2010, 05:28 PM

Haha, shit. I moved to a hick town from Philly for school and I was out bombing last night when out of nowhere some dude is on a balcony pointing his phone at me, with a group of friends. So many fucking hero's in this town, it's happened twice now, I don't know if he was shooting video of took a picture. Tons of freights here though, and there is a routine stop about 10 mins away walking distance from my house. I should lay low, but I can't stop.

weirdone

06-27-2010, 02:59 AM

to what people said about bikes being less heat, that is true but if ur spotted doin shit on a bike and most likely thisll be at night when there wont be any other bikers on the road you will be too easy to pick out.. unless ya feel comfortable ditchin ur bike haha

what i want to know is what the penalties in some european countries like france and spain are for graffiti

pedoe

06-27-2010, 06:18 AM

Drank

07-01-2010, 03:43 AM

So uh, who the fuck dosent run when the see cops rollin up? I know there are some fat taggers and all, but book it bitch. Ditch your paint if you have to, and a good tactic if you get caught is to act gay. A good percentage of cops are straight and wont want to deal with you.

RUNINE

07-01-2010, 06:11 PM

ive always thought to myself well if theres only one ill wait until hes in the car doin shit and just run like a motherfucker

gxcxhxcx

07-02-2010, 12:52 AM

^ assuming they haven't already cuffed you

copkillah187dood

07-02-2010, 12:56 AM

wear layers and always have two different looks so that your description can change up completely.... and find the name of one of the best lawyers around you that is known for getting people off even if you can't afford them. If you call the number while you are being held and post bail, you could have much more positive results at your arraignment. If you dont hire them for the whole case you can still get your public defender. The court system is bullshit. Money is the answer to every legal problem.

Barry Barbaric

07-02-2010, 06:06 PM

gxcxhxcx

07-02-2010, 06:29 PM

Delse

07-03-2010, 06:24 AM

act gay....ahahah

remedyz

10-08-2010, 11:42 PM

lets say the cops stop u, ask to search u, u ask for a reason, they dont have one, so u just start walking away. if the cp says"come back over here" should u just keep walking?

...skopetwo...

10-09-2010, 03:00 PM

If that was incriminating, there would be no point in in fourth amendment rights at all. Declining a search is in no way incriminating. It is your basic fucking right. They WILL ask you things like, "Well, if there's nothing to hide, there's no reason to not let me search" or "OK fine, i'll just get a canine unit out here" Just keep saying you don't want searched, and mention your fourth amendment right. Never consent to a search, put up a fight until they either go away or search you against your will. If they know that you know what your rights are, they can't walk all over you. If there's no probable cause (pot smoke in the air, rattling cans, warrants, etc.) there is no reason for a search, PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Another thing, too, Always, always wear your gloves. I look at it the same way as wearing condoms. If you don't wanna catch STD's like AIDS or KIDS wrap your shit up! If you don't want to catch charges like criminal mischeif, railroad mischeif, etc. WEAR GLOVES! If there's no paint on your hands, even if you're standing next to a wet piece, you're just an innocent bystander. And don't fuck it up by letting them see your glove on your hand, either. Take it off, hide it, throw it away, something! I've been in this situation before, and escaped cleanly! Even if you hate gloves, If you're hitting up street, wear it! It'll save your ass one of these days!

I mean.. ur right about the gloves , n about your 4th amendment right .. n It is true that its not incriminating if u live in the u.s but if your not in the US.. im in portugal.. n most cops dont give a FUCK about u sayin i kno my rights n shit..
theyll still search u n probably smack yu up .. just the other day they beat up my homiez jus cuz they were walkin away from the ghetto .. then they took em to the police station , rippd their earrings off, beat them bloody and accused them of stealing frm numerous houses... n my homie didnt do SHIT! fuck corrupt bitch ass police (n when i say this im refferin to *corrupt* police not police in general) .. but yea i always wear my glovs when i bomb or piece .. thats sumn all writers shud do

dylan125

10-29-2010, 11:07 PM

get a pba card or some form of law enforcement fraternity card and carry that.
if caught, just bullshit them that your uncle, cousin, brother etc. is on the job.
theyre not going to check especially if ur out of state.
worked for me twice so far. once in ny the other in vegas.

RUNINE

11-01-2010, 12:24 AM

^ assuming they haven't already cuffed you

i can run just as fast with my hands behind my back as i can with them free. when i get a chance i can bring them under myself and have my hands up front then get them cut when i get home.

ShyGuyLurking

11-03-2010, 05:00 PM

if youre painting and you might get rolled up on, if may be wise to keep a universal cuff key under a watch or behind a bracelet, on the back inside of your belt where they cuff you.... just sayin. and every writer should know their 4th amendment backwards and forwards twenty times over. if you get stopped and you werent actively painting, just act like you aint got a thing to worry about. what gear? calm and polite like some average dude walking down the sidewalk leaving his gf's or homeys. its a cops job to spot crooks so they are going to be relatively skilled at it. be cool with em, friendly. at night cops are on edge automatically so you have to make the first step to back them off. smile, uses sirs and ma'ams. dont be overly casual, just appropriately calm. that has ALWAYS worked for me and my towns got horrible cops everywhere as is.

Gnarsh

11-28-2010, 02:34 AM

I have a few questions myself:

If im going to college on grants and loans, will getting caught fuck me over?

and

Is it true,t that you can only be charged for the one peice your doing, not every one of them. I saw a video with a lawyer person saying that.

drew32091

12-05-2010, 06:57 PM

one tip i can give. RUN! if he is at a certain distance anyways :p

RUSO

12-06-2010, 04:24 AM

act gay....ahahah

LOL FUUUCK!

simplyexist

12-11-2010, 08:56 PM

man, if a cop gets on your nuts about painting and you have a bag full of supplies, but he has no evidence/didn't see you do anything, get on him about it.

for instance: "what are you doing out so late?", "can i see some id?" "whats in the bag?"

your response should be "I'm fairly positive its not illegal to walk around at night, do you have a warrant to look in my bag? i didn't realize this was a stop and identify state, i think you should ask your CO if what you're doin is alright by him?"

i used that CO bullshit on a cop he walked away for about 2 minutes obviously asking someone something then told me to go home. I think generally cops, or anyone in a position of power, don't like it when they aren't in control. buuut If that doesn't work i would probably just try and run because if they take you in that's a hefty fine/jail time and if you run there is a chance you will get away.

SIRISfour

02-01-2011, 01:47 PM

good info in here. Some shit I knew, some I didn't.

I mean I generally just dip when I see 5-0, but this extra stuff is nice too.

Anyone ever caught wreck for B&E while hittin chill spots?
It seems like that be a pretty shitty charge to get.
I hopped a fence one night to hit a spot.
Cops knockin on the door next morning.
Tellin me they Knew it was me and that I could get fined.
Shut the door in they face like DWAAAM, THEN BLAAAM!
Where's the evidence?!?

MIYAN

02-05-2011, 04:29 AM

[QUOTE=simplyexist;7838185 buuut If that doesn't work i would probably just try and run because if they take you in that's a hefty fine/jail time and if you run there is a chance you will get away.[/QUOTE]

but if you are caught you are double fucked.
i do agree with running though, its like instinct when i see the fuzz, instantly just book it:snowman:

crwpwns

02-28-2011, 11:21 PM

Ok so here my situation.

Ive been tagging around town for a few months now.
I was skating today when a cop came up to me and my friend. He asked fro my ID and all that. He searched my car and found a notebook with a bunch of sketches in it, I completely denied it. He said since I wasn't caught in the act he couldn't prosecute.
He showed me police report that had my full name as well as some other tag names around town. He let me loose though.
Is that all there is to that? Or should I still be worried about a court date or something like that?

ChuckNorrisvsBruceLee

03-01-2011, 12:11 AM

Brief cases have to gain a search warrant to open from a judge. Depending on your situation the cops may leave you alone , but then again paint shakes up well unless you have some decently powered magnets.

ChuckNorrisvsBruceLee

03-01-2011, 12:16 AM

If you are caught up after a spot deny everything.

Just cause you have paint on you that matches whatever they are talking about does not mean you have to say anything.

They have to prove your case. Never admit anything. Say you found the paint somewhere prior to the arrest. Say it's for something else and the situation is very circumstantial.

If you have it plastic bagged in a regular bag you will look less suspicious as to having it at your waist when you get arrested.

This means the difference between graffiti implement and placing graffiti on property. Which leads to suspicions about your name, crew, ect.

Moist Cooter

03-03-2011, 03:37 AM

act gay... genius!

pins

03-07-2011, 07:16 PM

good stuff indeed.

N0TE

03-08-2011, 03:21 PM

i'm sure it's been said in here a bunch of times but do not talk to cops about anything ever. it will probably make you look guilty to your average room temperature IQ pig, but in the long run you don't want to say shit. And by that I mean literally nothing, except "i'm sorry but i don't want to say anything without an attorney present." that includes on the street, in front of a magistrate, in an interrogation room, anywhere. on the street especially since that's where the average fool thinks he can talk his way out of lockup. cops will bend any rule they can to make charges stick, that's their job, so it's not uncommon or an accident for cops to lie about shit you've said to them or exaggerate, misquote, etc. it happens all the time, so don't even give them the chance. you aren't talking your way out of shit son

SonOfLiberty

03-11-2011, 03:44 AM

does giving a fake name to cops actually help or hurt?

-SENZ-

04-19-2011, 11:25 AM

does giving a fake name to cops actually help or hurt?

I wouldnt do it because i already have a record. I couldnt imagine it being any use anyway cozz the cops will find out in the end your real name and they will just slap another charge on you for lying.

Where i live cops can serch your bags without a warrent. its just best to have a sneaky pocket on the bottom of the backback where they are unlikely to look.

I just usualy walk away casualy if i see cops. if they actualy follow me or try to stop me to serch me when i have anything on me i just hit the legs.

SEVO713

03-06-2012, 11:59 AM

i bought a book on this shit... called "busted drug war suvival skills". should deff pick it up on amazon... has everything from drug dealing-drug useing...- cops & staying a few nights in jail & court... dope book but it applys to drugs...and could apply to graff & illegal shit in general...
and yeah you have rights...learn them.. cops are trained to trick you into giveing up your rights..they're paid for the arrested they make.. they try hard to suck the chiefs dick and try and get a raise & shit do dont think they wont fuck you over.