How to get away...even when you get caught...

[porque]

I have looked around on here and i haven't found anywhere where advice is given on what you can do if you get stopped by the police...so i'm gonna offer some...
first off lets understand this hypethetical situation: you are out bombing, you have a typical messenger bag with paint in it: you are riding on a bike:
you are seen by a police officer and he decides to stop you... the first thing he will ask is to look in your bag... unless he has actually observed you painting, he does not have the right to search your bag... he will say things like what do you have to hide?... respond by saying it is your right to privacy... this can save you in most cases from them actually getting anything on you and chargeing you... but also remember that you need to wear gloves to keep paint off your fingers b/c if you have red paint on your finger, and the alley you just came from has a fresh red tag in it, then they have probable cause to search you and you will be caught... If you are actualy seen painting you're pretty much fucked...my advice is run and hide and then hide longer

....i know this probably isn't the most coherent thing in the world so if anyone has any questions please ask...i have dealt with a few situations like the above and have adone a lot of research on the laws...plus i have lawyers in my family and they told me some intersting things too...

[moonstrahl]

Hmmm I feel like that is a good topic. Definitely know your rights!!! I got stopped a while back, and I actually told the guy that I saw someone else doing the painting, and told him to cut the shit. The cop bought it and gave chase after an apparantly armed and dangerous subject, finding nothing but a dog..

[nickonium9]

The question is, though, if not allowing them to search your bag incriminates yourself and gives them probable cause.

[dice]

neary all the popular peace spots in northampton england(my home town) .are next to a river what are the chances, that a copper would follow you into a river and can a dog bite u whilst it is swimming:cool:

[JoeHatesCops]

yeah and if your wearing gloves take them off when you walk from spot to spot, take that word of advice from dumbass over here, cop thought i was a jewel thief or burglar or something, but i just told him i had a kinky girlfreind and i was just coming home from her house and i forgot to take the gloves off, he bought it. lol

[CRone]

Originally posted by JoeHatesCops
yeah and if your wearing gloves take them off when you walk from spot to spot, take that word of advice from dumbass over here, cop thought i was a jewel thief or burglar or something, but i just told him i had a kinky girlfreind and i was just coming home from her house and i forgot to take the gloves off, he bought it. lol


:crazy:


hahahahaha

[87centHitMan]

Originally posted by nickonium9
The question is, though, if not allowing them to search your bag incriminates yourself and gives them probable cause.

If that was incriminating, there would be no point in in fourth amendment rights at all. Declining a search is in no way incriminating. It is your basic fucking right. They WILL ask you things like, "Well, if there's nothing to hide, there's no reason to not let me search" or "OK fine, i'll just get a canine unit out here" Just keep saying you don't want searched, and mention your fourth amendment right. Never consent to a search, put up a fight until they either go away or search you against your will. If they know that you know what your rights are, they can't walk all over you. If there's no probable cause (pot smoke in the air, rattling cans, warrants, etc.) there is no reason for a search, PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Another thing, too, Always, always wear your gloves. I look at it the same way as wearing condoms. If you don't wanna catch STD's like AIDS or KIDS wrap your shit up! If you don't want to catch charges like criminal mischeif, railroad mischeif, etc. WEAR GLOVES! If there's no paint on your hands, even if you're standing next to a wet piece, you're just an innocent bystander. And don't fuck it up by letting them see your glove on your hand, either. Take it off, hide it, throw it away, something! I've been in this situation before, and escaped cleanly! Even if you hate gloves, If you're hitting up street, wear it! It'll save your ass one of these days!

[moonstrahl]

Booyah 87centman. I totally agree with the gloves rubber reference. It might actually be worth while to carry a plastic bag with ya so that you can put 'em away without soiling your pants, then again who goes painting in their sunday best.

One other thing to mention is: you are running for your ass, they are running for their job, who wants to run faster...? Believe in your self, and always try to cut through water so that they can't dog ya.

[porque]

refuseing to allow them to search you in no way incriminates you...simply ask to see the search warrant...when they can't produce one tell them you see no reason why you are being detained and walk away...most of the time if they push things further THEY are the ones breakig the law and anything that happens will be counted as inadmisable in court which means you're scott free...
Another important thing to remember is that it is not against the law to carry paint around...it is only against the law to use that paint illegally...so unless they SEE you doing something you're usually ok.

[NoEZ]

Another important thing to remember is that it is not against the law to carry paint around...it is only against the law to use that paint illegally...so unless they SEE you doing something you're usually ok. -porque

unless of caurse your under 18 which means you cant buy paint...then i think it would matter..but if your over 18 then thats tru..you might just be coming back form a friends house after painting bikes or car....

[porque]

Originally posted by noezywriter


unless of caurse your under 18 which means you cant buy paint...then i think it would matter..but if your over 18 then thats tru..you might just be coming back form a friends house after painting bikes or car.... [/b]

...it may be illegal to buy paint if you're under 18, (it's not where i am, but state laws vary), but it probably isn't illegal to posses it...

[jeff123456]

Originally posted by nickonium9
The question is, though, if not allowing them to search your bag incriminates yourself and gives them probable cause.

no it doesnt.. what the fuck are u talking about

[porque]

i guess it should be stated that this stuff really only applies to US i have no idea what the laws and rights are in any countries of europe...

[jeff123456]

on the show C.O.P.S this cop was driving down the street and he looked at thease 2 guys and he said to the camera man thease are graffiti vandals. (u could just tell by looking at them)He got out of the car and started talking to them...The cop asked if he could look in the bag and the 2 guys said sure. There was atleast 10 cans in the bag along with some markers and stickers. The cop knew the guys were graffiti vandals but since the cop didnt see them painting he's well like im gonna have to let them go since we didnt actually catch them in the act. He checked there hands for paint and they were clean. Just as he was letting them go this bitch lady ran up to the police officer and said she saw thease boys putting up stickers on a sign. So then there were arrested and went back to the station...

[KINGREAL]

Haha seen that...a white and asian kid from Frisco!!

[REGULATOR]

yo....cops can make up all sorts of probably cause bullshit...they can say "yea well you smell like marijuana, i think i should search you" or "theres been some car break-ins and i saw something sticking out of your bag earlier"

how do you respond to these??

also when running, know when to stop and just hide.....run, then hide for like an hour and then resume....its so stupid to keep running and shit from cops.....

[industry]

can someone post the rights you have. like searching you and shit.Thanks

[AREANKAY]

Originally posted by REGULATOR
yo....cops can make up all sorts of probably cause bullshit...they can say "yea well you smell like marijuana, i think i should search you" or "theres been some car break-ins and i saw something sticking out of your bag earlier"

how do you respond to these??

also when running, know when to stop and just hide.....run, then hide for like an hour and then resume....its so stupid to keep running and shit from cops.....

so they search you for drugs then and they dont find any but find paint then basicly its all the above over again

really planning is what can save you alot like if your gonig to a spot why even bother trying to paint on the way unless its totally safe but i always wait till the way back then see whats going on cause then if you get spotted you are on your way back you will hopefully be able to get outta the area if the cops happen to be called or whatever like that

[misery#3]

Since cops like to chase those who run and they want to make a big deal over it then they'll get taht little thing that flies in the sky called a helicopter. Now there isn't to much you can do to get away from that except, duck under a pine tree, there are heat monitors on those eyes in the skies and if your under a pine tree they cant see ya, trust me.

[MrMajicMarkker]

dope info. don't fucking belly up to the five-o!

[REGULATOR]

Originally posted by destruct
Since cops like to chase those who run and they want to make a big deal over it then they'll get taht little thing that flies in the sky called a helicopter. Now there isn't to much you can do to get away from that except, duck under a pine tree, there are heat monitors on those eyes in the skies and if your under a pine tree they cant see ya, trust me.

yea dude..you learn alot from the discovery channel....any ways...some copters have fuckin heat sensors on that shit, so they can see you, only hope is to hide in under something, not a tree or nothing, and make sure nothing is visible to the sky

[ASER1NE]

contrary to the first post , cops can and will search you anytime you get caught . technically they arent supposed to unless you are caought in the act of a crime . but THEY WILL , the thing about probable cause is its up to the cops discretion .if they ask to search you and you refuse , they will search you anyhow.and you are fucked . if you run and they catch you , your fucked even more .

[DvOTeR]

Ok i was just thinking before right, If you have a wall at your home that you use for pieces and shit can you get fully fucked over for that even if it dont have the same shit as what might be down the street.?? And what about the paint you use for it? Can you get done for that?

[xwibxonex]

aser i totally agree.... all these ppl sayin "oh if u dont consent they cant search you"... wrong.. i mean yeah there IS 4th amendmant rights.. but it just don't work that way... i mean who can bitch and moan about the fucked up judicial system when they break the law on a daily basis... u really have to look back.. whos the vandal.... hell yeah man im all for graffiti but im sayin.... it is illegal.. if u get caught.. accept the consequences and thats that

[misery#3]

Originally posted by DvOTeR
Ok i was just thinking before right, If you have a wall at your home that you use for pieces and shit can you get fully fucked over for that even if it dont have the same shit as what might be down the street.?? And what about the paint you use for it? Can you get done for that?

Total bull shit, i used to peice my wall facing one of the busiest streets in my town right and i did that for like almost 2 years. I hit that wall almost every day with a throw to a peice to markers. But yea i was smart about it i never put a throw on the wall i was bombin that would be plain stupid. But never once got shit for it excpet from the parents. And my neighbor never once made and comments. So what you say is wrong...

[jolt7782]

It would also be good if you could explain your story to them smoothly. DOn't stutter or seem nervous at all, cops will eat that shit up. Be calm, respectful and shit. then they should leave you alone. Just adding some common sense to this thread.

[misery#3]

Oh yeah and one other thing that ALWAYS helps tell the fucking truth cant do the time dont dothe crime and take my word got off a some jail time for two things at once. Got caught about to bomb then cops found i was driving a car that wasnt mine or my friends it was his dead grandfathers. So any how i had a can in my pocket and threw it when saw cops comming and my boy ditched his bag they took us by car back to the parking lot intarigated us for an hour i being responsibe toldthe truth. You would to if you were being screamed at by two cops i told the truth right he took me sat me down interigated my boys, and sent them back to the car, they came back and said ok you lookin at two years for the car thing with a graff charge and someshit, and he goes why should i let you off and i said 1 i told the truth and 2 i had nothing to hide. So he escprted me back to our town made me drive the car back and then i had to walk a mile and a half at 130 am. I got off from deep shit.
THe moral of this story is honesty is the best policy, i told the truth and never got charged with any thing. BUt it is best to tell the truth because cops will set you up to lie. That is all in their psychology of their job to manipulate you into telling the truth. So be smart, cops dont like lies.

[Daze One Million]

all you have to do is know how to lie, ive done it many a times, NEVER EVER tell the truth if you know they have nothing on you, they'll say they do, but thats bullshit, i had an incident where they were trying to charge me for some shit and i didnt admit to any of it, at all, not one bit, they said they had video and the head of the graffiti squad in our towns sworn statement that it was me, they said if i tell them, the charges will be minimal, but otherwise theyd basically fuck me over, i still denied everything, and what happened we sched a meeting so i can talk to the head graff cop and ask him how he "knows" i did anything. needless to say the cops never called me again, and it was over from there, just make sure you stay low for a while cuz cops were folowing me and my boys around for a long time

[porque]

Originally posted by ASER1NE
contrary to the first post , cops can and will search you anytime you get caught . technically they arent supposed to unless you are caought in the act of a crime . but THEY WILL , the thing about probable cause is its up to the cops discretion .if they ask to search you and you refuse , they will search you anyhow.and you are fucked . if you run and they catch you , your fucked even more .

...this is NOT true...if police have the right to search you, they don't ask you first, they just do it...if they ask that means that they do not have the outright probable cause to search you... if they ask and you refuse and then they say that they are going to search you anyway, there is nothing you can do to stop them from doing so, BUT if they can not prove their probable cause for searching you, nothing that they find can be deemed admisable, this is what is meant by illegal search and seizure... if such a thing happens to you ask them what probable cause they have for searching you, they MUST give you that reason... and if charges are brought up and you go to trial they must convince the judge that that reason was sufficient for probable cause... but in almost all cases the only sufficient reason is them actually witnessing you painting and then putting paint in your bag...

[porque]

Originally posted by REGULATOR
yo....cops can make up all sorts of probably cause bullshit...they can say "yea well you smell like marijuana, i think i should search you" or "theres been some car break-ins and i saw something sticking out of your bag earlier"

how do you respond to these??



...if you are searched based on the notion that you smell like weed, then they are searching you for weed...not paint...if they find paint that is in no way linked to your smelling of weed... remember having paint is not against the law (...yet?) They will ask you why you have paint so be able to come up with a good excuse...Lying is essential to getting away

to further prove this point think about this... let's say the police have all kinds of evidence that i am selling drugs...they spend weeks and weeks getting proff and finally have enough for the magistrate to issue a search warrant for my house... upon busting in to my house they find: a prostitution service in my living room, an illegal casino in my bedroom, a conterfeit money lab in a clost and a full out cock fight in the basement... since their warrant is for drugs they can not arrest me for any of these other crimes, because before entering my residence they had no proof of such things... Being stopped on the streeet is the same way, if they search you looking for one thing and they find something else they can't do anything about it...esspecially if what they find is not in itself illegal (paint) but only implies by assumption an illegal activity...

[porque]

ona nother note... where i am, graffiti itself is an actual crime and it is a felony...it is not simply vandalism which is a misdemeanor...is this the case in other states?

[artsol]

dope thread...MUCHLY NEEDED

there seem to be a few weird things about this thread. LAWS CHANGE FROM STATE TO STATE is an important concept. For example, when I was in Chicago 'home of the corrupt cop', I almost got fucked on numerous occasions. It's the graf Nazis over there. It's a felony if the damage is over $100, graffiti blasters (the company that created the water/mineral based chemical that can eliminate almost all graf and at a cost of 0 to the owner of the property) are on the move and there are UC vandal squads lurking. but ...meh

all you need to know is that if you run and get caught (especially if you are a minority) prepare to have your ass royally stomped AND to have some trumped up lawshit set-up on you. They're even working on the legislation to register and/or monitor cats that purchase etch bath. (but on the real...that isht is pretty sheisty if you're hittin a ma and pa shop that can't afford to replace windowpanes...and it will FUCK YOU UP if it touches you)

[ASER1NE]

Originally posted by porque


.... if they ask and you refuse and then they say that they are going to search you anyway, there is nothing you can do to stop them from doing so, BUT if they can not prove their probable cause for searching you, nothing that they find can be deemed admisable, this is what is meant by illegal search and seizure... if such a thing happens to you ask them what probable cause they have for searching you, they MUST give you that reason... and if charges are brought up and you go to trial they must convince the judge that that reason was sufficient for probable cause... but in almost all cases the only sufficient reason is them actually witnessing you painting and then putting paint in your bag... while that is true , it is not absolute .
you fail to realize that kids that are caught are not lawyers , and are most times more afraid than worried about their rights . cops however do know this . and WILL search you no matter what you say , boo hoo its against your rights , grow up , this is the real world not Law & Order .if you ask them about probable cause they will give you some double speak and bs response and do it anyway . and in court the judge will believe two cops with 1/2 truth evidence , over some punk who he knows is just out causing trouble who has a public defender.
any judge will take the opportunity to punish you and maybe teach you a lesson , rather than let you go bc of some minor probable cause issues . BELIEVE IT .

[hulk hogan]

good criminals dont get caught

[Dr. Dazzle]

www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police.shtml)

Everything you need to know. This is why I said make it a sticky, but noooooooooo..........

[HAL]

Stuck now that there's some real information here.

[Destruction by Definition]

Originally posted by madbomber
on the show C.O.P.S this cop was driving down the street and he looked at thease 2 guys and he said to the camera man thease are graffiti vandals. (u could just tell by looking at them)He got out of the car and started talking to them...The cop asked if he could look in the bag and the 2 guys said sure. There was atleast 10 cans in the bag along with some markers and stickers. The cop knew the guys were graffiti vandals but since the cop didnt see them painting he's well like im gonna have to let them go since we didnt actually catch them in the act. He checked there hands for paint and they were clean. Just as he was letting them go this bitch lady ran up to the police officer and said she saw thease boys putting up stickers on a sign. So then there were arrested and went back to the station...
i saw that shit....

[tassie toy]

Thanks for all the info. I've been looking for a thread like this. I still havent been caught but i am waiting for the day I do. I think the cops will search you if they want even if they are ment to have a reason to, they can easily say they saw you do a tag back there and at the end of the day the judge is going to believe the cop over a kid who says "he went to a friend place to paint his bike at 2am on a weeknight." With the gloves, I never wear them because I don't see the point. When I go bombing i usually head down streets by foot and either do throws or tags every minute or so and it's pretty awkward taking of your gloves 100 times in one night and if a cop rocks up you arn't gonna have enough time to get the glove of without them seeing anyway. I am more worried about the pigs finding out what I write, because if they catch you with paint you can always say you did some shit back in a alleyway full of graff, but if they know what you write you're fucked. One of my friends got asked to write his tag down, he wasn't expecting it and just wrote it down without thinking. he should have made up a tag on the spot, but I was wondering if you can refuse this?
Another idea is not to carry a bag. I usually have a big ass jacket that fits two cans in it and then baggy pants with two stocking sewed into the back pockets which fit one in each so I can carry 4 cans without a bag. I think a cop would be alot more reluctant to do a body search on you then check your bag. Also try not to look suspicious. Try wearing geeky clothes and if you wanna go all out get some fake glasses. I am living in australia right now so i don't know what the laws are here. Anyone know? any way enough of my babbling.
thanks

[tassie toy]

I just did a search and found out some usefull info on www.lawstuff.org (http://www.lawstuff.org) (only for australians) hopefully fellow australians will find it usefull.

When can I be interviewed by the police?

The police can approach you and ask you questions at any time. It is very important to know your rights.

The right to remain silent
In most circumstances you must give the police your name and address, but other than that you have the right to remain silent. You can refuse to answer questions asked by police whether you have been stopped in the street, been taken to the station for questioning or been arrested. You should refuse to answer any questions or sign any statements until you have spoken to a lawyer.

There are some circumstances where you must answer questions asked by police:

When there has been a motor vehicle accident or a traffic offence committed. The police can ask you to identify yourself and the driver of the car and describe the accident.
The police can stop, search and detain you if they have reason to suspect you have stolen something or are in possession of something illegally obtained. But, if you are searched without good reason, this can amount to an assault on you by the police.
If you are in a pub or on licensed premises the police can ask you your name, address and date of birth and ask you to show evidence of your age. If you are drinking alcohol they can also ask you who sold you the drink.
A customs officer can ask you questions about the import or export of drugs.

Going to the police station
You do not have to go with the police for questioning unless you are being arrested.

If you are being arrested you have the right to know what you are being arrested for.

You have the right to get legal advice at any time. You should insist upon speaking to a lawyer before you answer any questions.

If you are under 17 you cannot be interviewed by the police without an adult (a parent, carer or lawyer of your choosing) being present with you. You should be given a chance to talk to this person privately.

Your right to complain about police mistreatment
You have the right to complain to the Officer in Charge or the Ombudsman if you are mistreated by the police. You can get a lawyer to help you with a complaint.

Some things to remember:
Try not to panic if the police want to talk to you.
It is a good idea to give your name and address and to be polite, if you are rude and swear they may be able to charge you with an offence relating to obscene language.
It is an offence to give a false name and address to the police.

Fingerprinting
If you are 17 or over and you are arrested, the police can fingerprint and photograph you.

If you are over 10 and under 17, you cannot be fingerprinted unless you and your parent consent in writing to you being fingerprinted or a Magistrate's permission is obtained.

Your fingerprints must be obtained in the presence of your parent or an independent witness. At the time you are fingerprinted you must be told by police that the fingerprints could be used in evidence against you and they will be destroyed if the charge against you does not proceed, you are found not guilty or a court orders that your fingerprint records be destroyed.

[zen]

good work tassie. some good info for those in australia. any type of marking tool is possesion of a marking implement, you must have the implement on your person. there are some technicalities to do with what clasifies a marking tool but even if your marker dosent qualify you may still be busted. the cops dont have to follow the law exactly. you can be taken to court simply for hanging onto spray cans or markers. people in the good old u.s of a get it better than us. besides the fact that police beat you a whole lot more over there.

[optimo]

Your rights: You have the right to refuse to let them into your home if
they don't have a warrant (4th Amendment). You can refuse to consent to a search (4th Amendment), but you can't physically stop them. You can remain silent (5th Amendment), although it is often advisable to give them your name, address, and age. You have the right to have your attorney with you while they question you (5th Amendment, I think). You have the right not to sign anything they give you, except for a ticket. Do not make a statement!

[bigpoppa.k]

Originally posted by porque


...if you are searched based on the notion that you smell like weed, then they are searching you for weed...not paint...if they find paint that is in no way linked to your smelling of weed... remember having paint is not against the law (...yet?) They will ask you why you have paint so be able to come up with a good excuse...Lying is essential to getting away

to further prove this point think about this... let's say the police have all kinds of evidence that i am selling drugs...they spend weeks and weeks getting proff and finally have enough for the magistrate to issue a search warrant for my house... upon busting in to my house they find: a prostitution service in my living room, an illegal casino in my bedroom, a conterfeit money lab in a clost and a full out cock fight in the basement... since their warrant is for drugs they can not arrest me for any of these other crimes, because before entering my residence they had no proof of such things... Being stopped on the streeet is the same way, if they search you looking for one thing and they find something else they can't do anything about it...esspecially if what they find is not in itself illegal (paint) but only implies by assumption an illegal activity...

good arguement but i'm affraid you're wrong.
they smell weed on you, they have probable cause to search you. but what you're saying is that during their search if they find you're carrying a loaded gun they can't arrest you for the gun.
you should pay a little more attention to Jack Mckoy.

[bigpoppa.k]

its a bit long and only applies to U.S laws but well worth the read. get yourself aquainted with the laws...

Valid Searches and Seizures Without Warrants
While the Supreme Court stresses the importance of warrants and has repeatedly referred to searches without warrants as ''exceptional,'' it appears that the greater number of searches, as well as the vast number of arrests, take place without warrants. The Reporters of the American Law Institute Project on a Model Code of Pre- Arraignment Procedure have noted ''their conviction that, as a practical matter, searches without warrant and incidental to arrest have been up to this time, and may remain, of greater practical importance'' than searches pursuant to warrants. ''[T]he evidence on hand . . . compel[s] the conclusion that searches under warrants have played a comparatively minor part in law enforcement, except in connection with narcotics and gambling laws.'' Nevertheless, the Court frequently asserts that ''the most basic constitutional rule in this area is that 'searches conducted outside the judicial process, without prior approval by judge or magistrate, are per se unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment--subject only to a few specially established and well-delineated exceptions.'' The exceptions are said to be ''jealously and carefully drawn,'' and there must be ''a showing by those who seek exemption . . . that the exigencies of the situation made that course imperative.'' While the record does indicate an effort to categorize the exceptions, the number and breadth of those exceptions have been growing.

Detention Short of Arrest: Stop-and-Frisk .--Arrests are subject to the requirements of the Fourth Amendment, but the courts have followed the common law in upholding the right of police officers to take a person into custody without a warrant if they have probable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed a felony or has committed a misdemeanor in their presence. The probable cause is, of course, the same standard required to be met in the issuance of an arrest warrant, and must be satisfied by conditions existing prior to the policeman's stop, what is discovered thereafter not sufficing to establish retroactively reasonable cause. There are, however, instances when a policeman's suspicions will have been aroused by someone's conduct or manner, but probable cause for placing such a person under arrest will be lacking. In Terry v. Ohio, the Court almost unanimously approved an on-the-street investigation by a police officer which involved ''patting down'' the subject of the investigation for weapons.

The case arose when a police officer observed three individuals engaging in conduct which appeared to him, on the basis of training and experience, to be the ''casing'' of a store for a likely armed robbery; upon approaching the men, identifying himself, and not receiving prompt identification, the officer seized one of the men, patted the exterior of his clothes, and discovered a gun. Chief Justice Warren for the Court wrote that the Fourth Amendment was applicable to the situation, applicable ''whenever a police officer accosts an individual and restrains his freedom to walk away.'' Since the warrant clause is necessarily and practically of no application to the type of on-the-street encounter present in Terry, the Chief Justice continued, the question was whether the policeman's actions were reasonable. The test of reasonableness in this sort of situation is whether the police officer can point to ''specific and articulable facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts,'' would lead a neutral magistrate on review to conclude that a man of reasonable caution would be warranted in believing that possible criminal behavior was at hand and that both an investigative stop and a ''frisk'' was required. Inasmuch as the conduct witnessed by the policeman reasonably led him to believe that an armed robbery was in prospect, he was as reasonably led to believe that the men were armed and probably dangerous and that his safety required a ''frisk.'' Because the object of the ''frisk'' is the discovery of dangerous weapons, ''it must therefore be confined in scope to an intrusion reasonably designed to discover guns, knives, clubs, or other hidden instruments for the assault of the police officer.'' If, in the course of a weapons frisk, ''plain touch'' reveals presence of an object that the officer has probable cause to believe is contraband, the officer may seize that object. Supp.3 The Court viewed the situation as analogous to that covered by the ''plain view'' doctrine: obvious contraband may be seized, but a search may not be expanded to determine whether an object is contraband.

Terry did not pass on a host of problems, including the grounds that could permissibly lead an officer to momentarily stop a person on the street or elsewhere in order to ask questions rather than frisk for weapons, the right of the stopped individual to refuse to cooperate, and the permissible response of the police to that refusal. Following that decision, the standard for stops for investigative purposes evolved into one of ''reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.'' That test permits some stops and questioning without probable cause in order to allow police officers to explore the foun dations of their suspicions. While not elaborating a set of rules governing the application of the tests, the Court was initially restrictive in recognizing permissible bases for reasonable suspicion. Extensive instrusions on individual privacy, e.g., transportation to the stationhouse for interrogation and fingerprinting, were invalidated in the absence of probable cause. More recently, however, the Court has taken less restrictive approaches.
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It took the Court some time to settle on a test for when a ''seizure'' has occurred, and the Court has recently modified its approach. The issue is of some importance, since it is at this point that Fourth Amendment protections take hold. The Terry Court recognized in dictum that ''not all personal intercourse between policemen and citizens involves 'seizures' of persons,'' and suggested that ''[o]nly when the officer, by means of physical force or show of authority, has in some way restrained the liberty of a citizen may we conclude that a 'seizure' has occurred.'' Years later Justice Stewart proposed a similar standard, that a person has been seized ''only if, in view of all of the circumstances surrounding the incident, a reasonable person would have believed that he was not free to leave.'' This reasonable perception standard was subse quently endorsed by a majority of Justices, and was applied in several cases in which admissibility of evidence turned on whether a seizure of the person not justified by probable cause or reasonable suspicion had occurred prior to the uncovering of the evidence. No seizure occurred, for example, when INS agents seeking to identify illegal aliens conducted work force surveys within a garment factory; while some agents were positioned at exits, others systematically moved through the factory and questioned employees. This brief questioning, even with blocked exits, amounted to ''classic consensual encounters rather than Fourth Amendment seizures.'' The Court also ruled that no seizure had occurred when police in a squad car drove alongside a suspect who had turned and run down the sidewalk when he saw the squad car approach. Under the circumstances (no siren, flashing lights, display of a weapon, or blocking of the suspect's path), the Court concluded, the police conduct ''would not have communicated to the reasonable person an attempt to capture or otherwise intrude upon [one's] freedom of movement.'' ***

Soon thereafter, however, the Court departed from the Mendenhall reasonable perception standard and adopted a more formalistic approach, holding that an actual chase with evident intent to capture did not amount to a ''seizure'' because the suspect did not comply with the officer's order to halt. Mendenhall, said the Court in California v. Hodari D., stated a ''necessary'' but not a ''sufficient'' condition for a seizure of the person through show of authority. A Fourth Amendment ''seizure'' of the person, the Court determined, is the same as a common law arrest; there must be either application of physical force (or the laying on of hands), or submission to the assertion of authority. Indications are, however, that Hodari D. does not signal the end of the reasonable perception standard, but merely carves an exception applicable to chases and perhaps other encounters between suspects and police.

Later in the same term the Court ruled that the Mendenhall ''free-to-leave'' inquiry was misplaced in the context of a police sweep of a bus, but that a modified reasonable perception approach still governed. In conducting a bus sweep, aimed at detecting illegal drugs and their couriers, police officers typically board a bus during a stopover at a terminal and ask to inspect tickets, identification, and sometimes luggage of selected passengers. The Court did not focus on whether an ''arrest'' had taken place, as adherence to the Hodari D. approach would have required, but instead suggested that the appropriate inquiry is ''whether a reasonable person would feel free to decline the officers' requests or otherwise terminate the encounter.'' ''When the person is seated on a bus and has no desire to leave,'' the Court explained, ''the degree to which a reasonable person would feel that he or she could leave is not an accurate measure of the coercive effect of the encounter.'' ***

A Terry search need not be limited to a stop and frisk of the person, but may extend as well to a protective search of the passenger compartment of a car if an officer possesses ''a reasonable belief, based on specific and articulable facts . . . that the suspect is dangerous and . . . may gain immediate control of weapons.'' How lengthy a Terry detention may be varies with the circumstances. In approving a 20-minute detention of a driver made necessary by the driver's own evasion of drug agents and a state police decision to hold the driver until the agents could arrive on the scene, the Court indicated that it is ''appropriate to examine whether the police diligently pursued a means of investigation that was likely to confirm or dispel their suspicions quickly, during which time it was necessary to detain the defendant.'' ***

Similar principles govern detention of luggage at airports in order to detect the presence of drugs; Terry ''limitations applicable to investigative detentions of the person should define the permissible scope of an investigative detention of the person's luggage on less than probable cause.'' The general rule is that ''when an officer's observations lead him reasonably to believe that a traveler is carrying luggage that contains narcotics, the principles of Terry . . . would permit the officer to detain the luggage briefly to investigate the circumstances that aroused his suspicion, provided that the investigative detention is properly limited in scope.'' Seizure of luggage for an expeditious ''canine sniff'' by a dog trained to detect narcotics can satisfy this test even though seizure of luggage is in effect detention of the traveler, since the procedure results in ''limited disclosure,'' impinges only slightly on a traveler's privacy interest in the contents of personal luggage, and does not constitute a search within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment. By contrast, taking a suspect to an interrogation room on grounds short of probable cause, retaining his air ticket, and retrieving his luggage without his permission taints consent given under such circumstances to open the luggage, since by then the detention had exceeded the bounds of a permissible Terry investigative stop and amounted to an invalid arrest. But the same requirements for brevity of detention and limited scope of investigation are apparently inapplicable to border searches of international travelers, the Court having approved a 24-hour detention of a traveler suspected of smuggling drugs in her alimentary canal.

Search Incident to Arrest .--The common-law rule permitting searches of the person of an arrestee as an incident to the arrest has occasioned little controversy in the Court. The dispute has centered around the scope of the search. Since it was the stated general rule that the scope of a warrantless search must be strictly tied to and justified by the circumstances which rendered its justification permissible, and since it was the rule that the justification of a search of the arrestee was to prevent destruction of evidence and to prevent access to a weapon, it was argued to the court that a search of the person of the defendant arrested for a traffic offense, which discovered heroin in a crumpled cigarette package, was impermissible, inasmuch as there could have been no destructible evidence relating to the offense for which he was arrested and no weapon could have been concealed in the cigarette package. The Court rejected this argument, ruling that ''no additional justification'' is required for a custodial arrest of a suspect based on probable cause. ***

However, the Justices have long found themselves embroiled in argument about the scope of the search incident to arrest as it extends beyond the person to the area in which the person is arrested, most commonly either his premises or his vehicle. Certain early cases went both ways on the basis of some fine distinctions, but in Harris v. United States, the Court approved a search of a four-room apartment pursuant to an arrest under warrant for one crime and in which the search turned up evidence of another crime. A year later, in Trupiano v. United States, a raid on a distillery resulted in the arrest of a man found on the premises and a seizure of the equipment; the Court reversed the conviction because the officers had had time to obtain a search warrant and had not done so. ''A search or seizure without a warrant as an incident to a lawful arrest has always been considered to be a strictly limited right. It grows out of the inherent necessities of the situation at the time of the arrest. But there must be something more in the way of necessity than merely a lawful arrest.'' This decision was overruled in United States v. Rabinowitz, in which officers arrested defendant in his one-room office pursuant to an arrest warrant and proceeded to search the room completely. The Court observed that the issue was not whether the officers had the time and opportunity to obtain a search warrant but whether the search incident to arrest was reasonable. Though Rabinowitz referred to searches of the area within the arrestee's ''immediate control,'' it provided no standard by which this area was to be determined, and extensive searches were permitted under the rule. ***

In Chimel v. California, however, a narrower view was asserted, the primacy of warrants was again emphasized, and a standard by which the scope of searches pursuant to arrest could be ascertained was set out. ''When an arrest is made, it is reasonable for the arresting officer to search the person arrested in order to remove any weapons that the latter might seek to use in order to resist arrest or effect his escape. Otherwise, the officer's safety might well be endangered, and the arrest itself frustrated. In addition, it is entirely reasonable for the arresting officer to search for and seize any evidence on the arrestee's person in order to prevent its concealment or destruction. And the area into which an arrestee might reach in order to grab a weapon or evidentiary items must, of course, be governed by a like rule. A gun on a table or in a drawer in front of one who is arrested can be as dangerous to the arresting officer as one concealed in the clothing of the person arrested. There is ample justification, therefore, for a search of the arrestee's person and the area 'within his immediate control'--construing that phrase to mean the area from within which he might gain possession of a weapon or destructible evidence.

''There is no comparable justification, however, for routinely searching any room other than that in which an arrest occurs--or, for that matter, for searching through all the desk drawers or other closed or concealed areas in that room itself. Such searches, in the absence of well-recognized exceptions, may be made only under the authority of a search warrant.''***

Although the viability of Chimel had been in doubt for some time as the Court refined and applied its analysis of reasonable and justifiable expectations of privacy, it has in some but not all contexts survived the changed rationale. Thus, in Mincey v. Arizona, the Court rejected a state effort to create a ''homicide-scene'' exception for a warrantless search of an entire apartment extending over four days. The occupant had been arrested and removed and it was true, the Court observed, that a person legally taken into custody has a lessened right of privacy in his person, but he does not have a lessened right of privacy in his entire house. And, in United States v. Chadwick, emphasizing a person's reasonable expectation of privacy in his luggage or other baggage, the Court held that, once police have arrested and immobilized a suspect, validly seized bags are not subject to search without a warrant. Police may, however, in the course of jailing an arrested suspect conduct an inventory search of the individual's personal effects, including the contents of a shoulder bag, since ''the scope of a station-house search may in some circumstances be even greater than those supporting a search immediately following arrest.'' ***

Still purporting to reaffirm Chimel, the Court in New York v. Belton held that police officers who had made a valid arrest of the occupant of a vehicle could make a contemporaneous search of the entire passenger compartment of the automobile, including containers found therein. Believing that a fairly simple rule understandable to authorities in the field was desirable, the Court ruled ''that articles inside the relatively narrow compass of the passenger compartment of an automobile are in fact generally, if not inevitably, within 'the area into which an arrestee might reach in order to grab a weapon or evidentiary ite[m].'''
***
Chimel has, however, been qualified by another consideration. Not only may officers search areas within the arrestee's immediate control in order to alleviate any threat posed by the arrestee, but they may extend that search if there may be a threat posed by ''unseen third parties in the house.'' A ''protective sweep'' of the entire premises (including an arrestee's home) may be undertaken on less than probable cause if officers have a ''reasonable belief,'' based on ''articulable facts,'' that the area to be swept may harbor an individual posing a danger to those on the arrest scene. ***

Vehicular Searches .--In the early days of the automobile the Court created an exception for searches of vehicles, holding in Carroll v. United States that vehicles may be searched without warrants if the officer undertaking the search has probable cause to believe that the vehicle contains contraband. The Court explained that the mobility of vehicles would allow them to be quickly moved from the jurisdiction if time were taken to obtain a warrant. ***

Initially the Court limited Carroll's reach, holding impermissible the warrantless seizure of a parked automobile merely because it is movable, and indicating that vehicles may be stopped only while moving or reasonably contemporaneously with movement. Also, the Court ruled that the search must be reasonably contemporaneous with the stop, so that it was not permissible to remove the vehicle to the stationhouse for a warrantless search at the convenience of the police. ***

The Court next developed a reduced privacy rationale to supplement the mobility rationale, explaining that ''the configuration, use, and regulation of automobiles often may dilute the reasonable expectation of privacy that exists with respect to differently situated property.'' '''One has a lesser expectation of privacy in a motor vehicle because its function is transportation and it seldom serves as one's residence or as the repository of personal effects. . . . It travels public thoroughfares where both its occupants and its contents are in plain view.''' While motor homes do serve as residences and as repositories for personal effects, and while their contents are often shielded from public view, the Court extended the automobile exception to them as well, holding that there is a diminished expectation of privacy in a mobile home parked in a parking lot and licensed for vehicular travel, hence ''readily mobile.''***

The reduced expectancy concept has broadened police powers to conduct automobile searches without warrants, but they still must have probable cause to search a vehicle and they may not make random stops of vehicles on the roads, but instead must base stops of individual vehicles on probable cause or some ''articulable and reasonable suspicion'' of traffic or safety violation or some other criminal activity. By contrast, fixed-checkpoint stops in the absence of any individualized suspicion have been upheld. Once police have validly stopped a vehicle, they may also, based on articulable facts warranting a reasonable belief that weapons may be present, conduct a Terry-type protective search of those portions of the passenger compartment in which a weapon could be placed or hidden. And, in the absence of such reasonable suspicion as to weapons, police may seize contraband and suspicious items ''in plain view'' inside the passenger compartment.***

Once police have probable cause to believe there is contraband in a vehicle, they may remove it from the scene to the stationhouse in order to conduct a search, without thereby being required to obtain a warrant. ''[T]he justification to conduct such a warrantless search does not vanish once the car has been immobilized; nor does it depend upon a reviewing court's assessment of the likelihood in each particular case that the car would have been driven away, or that its contents would have been tampered with, during the period required for the police to obtain a warrant.'' The Justices were evenly divided, however, on the propriety of warrantless seizure of an arrestee's automobile from a public parking lot several hours after his arrest, its transportation to a police impoundment lot, and the taking of tire casts and exterior paint scrapings. Because of the lessened expectation of privacy, inventory searches of impounded automobiles are justifiable in order to protect public safety and the owner's property, and any evidence of criminal activity discovered in the course of the inventories is admissible in court.***

It is not lawful for the police in undertaking a warrantless search of an automobile to extend the search to the passengers therein. But because passengers in an automobile have no reasonable expectation of privacy in the interior area of the car, a warrantless search of the glove compartment and the spaces under the seats, which turned up evidence implicating the passengers, invaded no Fourth Amendment interest of the passengers. Luggage and other closed containers found in automobiles may also be subjected to warrantless searches based on probable cause, the same rule now applying whether the police have probable cause to search only the containers or whether they have probable cause to search the automobile for something capable of being held in the container. ***

Vessel Searches .--Not only is the warrant requirement inapplicable to brief stops of vessels, but also none of the safeguards applicable to stops of automobiles on less than probable cause are necessary predicates to stops of vessels. In United States v. Villamonte-Marquez, the Court upheld a random stop and boarding of a vessel by customs agents, lacking any suspicion of wrongdoing, for purpose of inspecting documentation. The boarding was authorized by statute derived from an act of the First Congress, and hence had ''an impressive historical pedigree'' carrying with it a presumption of constitutionality. Moreover, ''important factual differences between vessels located in waters offering ready access to the open sea and automobiles on principal thoroughfares in the border area'' justify application of a less restrictive rule for vessel searches. The reason why random stops of vehicles have been held impermissible under the Fourth Amendment, the Court explained, is that stops at fixed checkpoints or roadblocks are both feasible and less subject to abuse of discretion by authorities. ''But no reasonable claim can be made that permanent checkpoints would be practical on waters such as these where vessels can move in any direction at any time and need not follow established 'avenues' as automobiles must do.'' Because there is a ''substantial'' governmental interest in enforcing documentation laws, ''especially in waters where the need to deter or apprehend smugglers is great,'' the Court found the ''limited'' but not ''minimal'' intrusion occasioned by boarding for documentation inspection to be reasonable. Dissenting Justice Brennan argued that the Court for the first time was approving ''a completely random seizure and detention of persons and an entry onto private, noncommercial premises by police officers, without any limitations whatever on the officers' discretion or any safeguards against abuse.''

[bigpoppa.k]

Cops in the driver's seat
Dateline: 4/12/99

It wasn't so long ago, just two years in the past, in fact, that the Supreme Court decided that police can roust passengers from a car during a routine traffic stop, based on no suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of those passengers. That decision, Maryland v. Wilson, was supposed to make life better by reducing the risk to police officers of pulling a car over. Instead, the Supreme Court's 1997 decision turned out to be one more slip down a well-greased slope, culminating in last week's decision making the possessions of car passengers fair game for pawing and prodding on the part of police officers, with no suspicion of wrongdoing required.

The latest case, Wyoming v. Houghton, involved a car pulled over by a Wyoming Highway Patrol officer for speeding and a faulty brake light. At the side of the road the officer noticed that the driver had a syringe conveniently stored in his shirt pocket (not the pocket he kept his brains in, apparently), which he admitted to using for drugs.

At this point, backup police officers, apparently with Wilson in mind, ordered two female passengers out of the car even though they hadn't been implicated in any wrongdoing. One of the women, Sandra K. Houghton, had left her purse on the back seat, in which (to cut to the chase) was discovered drug paraphernalia and methamphetamine, and Ms. Houghton found herself in very hot water indeed.

Now, leaving aside my natural antipathy to drug laws, which have no business on the books, there are still problems with this scenario. Courtesy of the Wilson case is the free rein police had to order Houghton out of the car. Why? The driver was already out of the vehicle and in custody at this point. Houghton and the second passenger were not in apparent violation of any laws.

Then there's the search of Houghton's purse. Again, the lawbreaker in this case was in custody, the purse was identified as belonging to Houghton, not the driver, and Houghton had shown no sign of committing a crime. The search of her purse was, in fact, a fishing expedition in search of evidence of ... something. What? Don't ask the cops; they didn't know until they found it.

In sad point of fact, the Houghton case is the latest in a line of court decisions that are reducing vehicles to Fourth-Amendment-free zones. In United States v. Ross, back in 1982, the Supreme Court said that "[p]olice officers who have legitimately stopped an automobile and who have probable cause to believe that contraband is concealed somewhere within it may conduct a warrantless search of the vehicle that is as thorough as a magistrate could authorize by warrant." This was essentially an updated version of a finding in the Prohibition-era case of Carroll v. United States which stated that "The measure of legality of [seizure of an automobile or contraband within it] is, [267 U.S. 132, 156] therefore, that the seizing officer shall have reasonable or probable cause for believing that the automobile which he stops and seizes has contraband liquor therein which is being illegally transported."

With Wyoming v. Houghton, the earlier decisions are extended to passengers within cars who are not implicated in any crimes committed by the driver. Now, the only place that police may not automatically search once they have pulled over your car and ordered you into the street is anywhere on your actual person.

If nothing else, this should spur some more-practical women's fashions — maybe pants that actually contain pockets. The end result is that anybody traveling in a motor vehicle in the United States is subject to being ordered out of the vehicle and having their possessions pawed through if a police officer suspects (or claims to suspect) that any person in the vehicle has broken a law. As Justice Stevens indicated in his dissent, "the rule the Court fashions would apparently permit a warrantless search of a passenger's briefcase if there is probable cause to believe the taxidriver had a syringe somewhere in his vehicle."

Aside from its immediate implications, this latest legal abortion from the Supreme Court is further evidence that in our living Constitution, the Fourth Amendment is, at best, on life support. In a world of airport searches, metal detectors, and no-knock raids, the Supreme Court is still finding bits of protection against unreasonable search and seizure that it feels comfortable paring away.

And there's not much more left to trim.

[apos]

Does anybody know if the laws about cops searching bags are different in canada?

[ImOnlyMe]

Originally posted by porque
i guess it should be stated that this stuff really only applies to US i have no idea what the laws and rights are in any countries of europe... :) Oh man..I remember seeing that episode.. Those guys didn't seem to down with their shit.

[Statistics]

Man. People are fucked one way or another. If your that obvios, like they see you in the act, run like a motha fucka and hide then run then hide and stay at your boys house. And if there is no evidence, like they just wanna search you, and all they find is paint, then all they can do is take you back to your house and mabey charge u with a fine for having paint (cause u gotta be 18+ here to buy it, i dont know about being in posetion). But yea.

[porque]

big poppa...thanx for all of that info...and thanx for the distinction in my previous aguement... but i was really only referring to paint because carrying paint is not illegal...it is deffinately different if you are in possesion of something that is illegal (guns, crack, etc.)...
...if anyone didn't read all of what big poppa posted, definately do so...it could save you some jail time...

...i have personally never been charged with graffiti, but i have been caught (stopped) several times...i know that inevitably i will be caught at some point and this is something that i think every writer must accept...we are criminals...but that doesn't mean that what we are doing is wrong.

[eessee]

quit usiong all the big words and fuck all the stuff u learned in government and deal with the fuck u git urself into....everything you do with ur life has an effect and a cause....especially consequences....so deal with this shit cops will be assholes and unless u have proof or something evidential of "illegal search" then ur fucked..even the on law breaks their law so fuck it who cares do what u have to do....:D but yes it is important to now ur rights but what will u do to the cop ...give him a lecture on all the shit u learnesd or shit that will helped u...cops are programmed to fuck u over...so fuck them:mad:

[moonstrahl]

Bigpoppa.k Thanks a whole bunch, it is good to know what is up. I am totally thrilled by your intelligence. The most important thing to remember of course is to bomb and piece everything, which means that if you have a vandal squad or some shit like that in your town, hit the car on principal...

[hbg]

good info all of us can use
BUMP

[SIEK ah]

Ok, this is what happened to me. i was walking solo down the main drag in town at about 2am on a monday. i had a single can in the pocket of my hoodie (the type of pocket where its just one and you put both your hands in). anyways, this cop was driving the opposite way but i heard tires behind me (like he flipped a U), and i'm like well "shit". he pulls next to me and tells me to come over. People say i look young for my age when i'm actually 19, but i get IDed all the time for anything. anyways, my hands are in my pockets and he wants you know how old i am. i say 19, and he says "got id?". i pull one hand out of my pocket and reach for my wallet. he tells me to take the other hand out of my pocket. then he spots the bulge of a can in my pocket while checking my id. He asks me what that is..."a beer?". i tell him no and he asks me what it is then. i tell him "my personal belongings". He then tells me "take out your personal belongings and place them on the curb, or i'll do it for you." Wow. i did it, he got pissed it was a can of paint...especially since hes an artist he told me (with a degree in fine arts)...aww, i got the worst cop...one with an art degree!!! anyways, i weasled my way out of everything, saying i'm new to graff and doing it to fit in wiht my friends. he lets me off, but takes my can and meanstreaks (he searched me entirely after he found the paint and detained me).

LONG STORY SHORT: DON'T LET COPS INTIMIDATE YOU, CAUSE AFTER YOU REALIZE WHAT THEY SAID/DONE, YOU MAY FIND OUT THAT YOU COULD HAVE RESISTED AND BE TOTALLY LEGAL IN DOING SO. THEY NEED PROOF OR PROBABLE CAUSE FOR ANY SEARCH.

[cultural me]

as not to be repatitive but your rights are you best weapon.


now lets get into the shit that people really need if they get caught. running. running cleverly. when one goes out painting it it imparitive to spot your WHOLE area out. if theirs trees, good. if theres dumpsters, good. anything you can hide in, on, or behind well is worth it. scoop your area out. a problem though is the ill spots are useully in the open, thats why their tight. but if you get caught by a cop, dont try to stand there and use your fucking rights. youll obviously feel paniced and no doubt say somthing that will dig your hole about 30 feet deeper. you have to run. if they get out of the car slowly..ALL THE BETTER! that just means more time to run. a bunch of times a cop will get outta their car slowly and come towards you and you think "oh, he's calm and just walking. maybe he DIDNT SEE ME WITH A BIG CAN IN MY HAND ON A UNFINISHED THROW UP AGAINST A BIG WHITE FUCKING WALL." all the more time to run. the key to running is get ahead. your not gonna be able to run out a who fuckin precint so just get ahead of the cop that is behind you. its worse if they have a partner to close you off or whatver. runn and get outta their sight. that is the key. stay ahead of them. just run your fucking ass off right away, sprint. dont try to run at a pace so that youll be able to keep running. just get out of their sight and hide. like hell they are gonna spend time checking around the park or block in the dark looking for a person in a black hoodie. they will try. but if you just get a good spot and stay quite. they will have no choice but assume you kept running and got away.

another thing is evidence. personly when i go painting i leave any ID at home or wherever. if your about to run dont try to stuff your cans in your bag. its 10$ worth of paint. take your bag cause it is a gold mine of evidence. and just imagin droping your wallet with a picture id of you and your name. if its your school id or anything. they would know enough about you to bust your ass hard. so yea.







this advice is not for every situation. this advice is for if you are flat out caught with your hand spraying on a un finished peice with the same color.

[GaspOne]

just don't get caught...

[vynlone]

When they come to search your house they should not find anything to do with writing. Keeping your sketch books, paint, stickers, markers, or flics at least outside of your own room is essential. If they do not find anything at your house and you got caught painting you can use the old excuse "i just copied it off a photo I saw and you caught me the first time I did it". Always get a lawyer...the pigs try to get you to incriminate yourself in the first interview.
Also never leave your tag on walls in your house thats just plain stupid.

[porque]

...if you're ever caught in the act, always run and hide... i've found cops usually give up looking in about 30-45 minutes so i always hide for at least an hour ro an hour and a half to be safe... always wear pants...the last hing you want is to have to jump through some bushes wearing shorts and get your legs all cut up or get poison ivy...i like dickies cause they're thick and you can run through briars without getting cut...remember cops are lazy pigs, the last thing they want to do is spend all their night diggin around in some dark alley tryin to find some kid when they could be sittin in their comfortable car doin lines from the coke bust they just made...

[AE..604!]

cops can do what ever the fuck they want . you might not want to think this but its true. if they ask you to see your bag and you say no ur fucked and i suggest you run becaouse the cop is probbably still digesting his previous dunot incounter at ur naighborhood timies.. when im out bombing i ushual stash my bag a couple of times so that in case i get caout i wont have shit on me like for example i am on a fairly busy street around 2 am and i want to bomb this bus stop so i ditch my bag in a near by bush, take out one or two cans and paint it. now if a cop comes i have many advantages like, i can throw the cans to the side ,, have no bag to log around and theres also a better posibility of the cop not stopping if you have no bag..... thats some of my information. and remember cops are pigs they will do anything for food

[catwash]

go "no comment" to every question, speak to your lawyer and don't grass. DON'T ADMIT ANYTHING.

[-40 trooper]

"while that is true , it is not absolute .
you fail to realize that kids that are caught are not lawyers , and are most times more afraid than worried about their rights . cops however do know this . and WILL search you no matter what you say , boo hoo its against your rights , grow up , this is the real world not Law & Order .if you ask them about probable cause they will give you some double speak and bs response and do it anyway . and in court the judge will believe two cops with 1/2 truth evidence , over some punk who he knows is just out causing trouble who has a public defender.
any judge will take the opportunity to punish you and maybe teach you a lesson , rather than let you go bc of some minor probable cause issues . BELIEVE IT ."

belee that...and the way the system is setup is that if you're caught, you're gonna pay. what i mean by that is that if you wernt succesful in talkin your way out of gettin busted you're pretty much fucked, you're either gonna pay a big fine or come out of your pockets for some blood suckin lawyer...either way you end up blowing at least a few C notes to get out of it..wich is exactly what they wanted.

[profesa_X]

this is some hella usefull stuff but who can tell what the consiquences are when u actually do get caught and its hopeless. like are they diff. in canada and US and what if ur under age and stuff.

thx

[worldoflies]

when it comes to the issue of consent searches, NEVER consent. you have nothing to lose. if you say no, the search will either not happen, and you will go free, or it will happened and you will be arested(possibly). if you do consent, you will certainly be arrested. not consenting can never be a worse decision than consenting from a legal stand point.

always take the situation where you have at least some chance of getting away over the situation from which there is no escape.

a lot of pussies seem to think if you say "no" to a cop, they will get mad and punnish you. bullshit. you have rights, but only if you exercise them. an illegal search will not hold up in court.

i speak from personal experience.

but all bets are off if you dress like an mtv thug or are rude to the cops.

[OsCaR306]

me and 3 of my friends hit our first wall today at 10pm! we got seen like 5 times..no one stopped or said shit. when we were done half an hour later we just left and we were spotted leaving alot. who cares if u get seen just dont get caught.

[bews]

Originally posted by OsCaR306
me and 3 of my friends hit our first wall today at 10pm! we got seen like 5 times..no one stopped or said shit. when we were done half an hour later we just left and we were spotted leaving alot. who cares if u get seen just dont get caught.


great... after all this intellegent talk about your rights, and how to get away, and what to do, and how not to get caught,
this is the only thing you have to say??
sweet Jesus, I hope you pull your nutshell brain out of your smelly asshole before you ever touch another can of paint....
:confused:
yeah, you should last about 5 seconds, (mommy, I'm in jail...)

[OsCaR306]

fukk who cares if anyone sees they dont know who u are when ur under a bridge and its fucking dark.

[SeYnO9]

i do a lot of fuckin foot bombing, one thing that will help you out that i learned before i turned 18 is that, lie about your dateofbirth like change it by one year and change a month, so the cop will believe your 18 this shit helps, because if you got a warrant on ya ass it wont show cus your giving phony bs, not only that but it will help you avoid a curfew ticket and getting frisked for being 2 young 2 have paint! there is no FUCKIn way a cop can prove it is you or if your making up shit if you do not have an id, plus say you dont have a home so they cant contact parents and shit, yea i know you can get a ticket for not having an i.d but i have never seen that happpen, just dont be an ass and the cop wont be one and if he is fuck you got more 2 loose than what he does, yea honesty is goood but lie lie and lie some more hey after bombing for so long you have your lullaby ready.

IF you get caught with paint on ya hands and you got cans just say that you were sclining = inhaling paint a couple of hours before, yea they will probably confiscate ya shit and pass you off as a bumm but hey thats a good excuse, it happened 2 my partner the cop inferred thats why they used the paint so they said they did as they were about 2 hit a rooftop! a way to get cops off ya ass is push your cans in a fucking shopping cart with some coke cans or just trash in there and say your looking for shit 2 recycle. yea a big thing that would help is to wear gloves, but sometimes men you get paint on ya armsand close, so fuck probable cause tell the narc you were sclining if that happens, unless you like bombing without close,plus dont carry all ya paint with you man, i mean i carry a lot of paint but i always drop it off somewhere ,the paint that i dont need for a spot im about 2 hit! and the paint desperately need i take with me and hit up and then i get rid of those cans that no longer have paint, then i go back 2 where i stash my cans and like refuel or whatever. yo one more thing leave no evidence yea men you may have an empty can but take it with you and throw anywhere but the spot, i still do that shit i still leave empty cans from anxiety and wanting 2 leave the fuckin spot. leave no evidence atleast try


go big or go home, after a while i learned that bombing after 3 in the morning is the safest time in the fuckin world, yea you may be one of those dudes that braggs bout how you hit up a mad busy area in the day or early but your the kids that dont last and end up going home, i mean i was one those dumbasses when i was like 14 n shit! sunday, fuck a day of rest thats the best day 2 bomb! rainy days are the best scope out walls and always have like a wall that you can hit on a rainy day, a spot that has like a little roof over it , man no one will fuckin notice at all. scope and scope walls fucking cops are putting surveillance on walls and motiont sensors i know some kids whot got bagged liked that and shit was all over the news, men if you think your gonna get busted dont hit it at all men! shit it may get some shit for this one but hitting up by an intersection is dope, but i try my hardest 2 stay away form those shits cus if you think about it, its more like being spotted by mad heads traveling in 8 fuckin directions but if you live in a hillbillie city good for ya you dont have to worry about that!


if you get bagged, and you have a get up partner make sure you and your partner, have a lullaby thats fuckin tight and wont go against each other when the cops try 2 confuse, and you do not have 2 speak 2 the cop plead the fifth and after your rights are read only after that, can you ask for an attorney 2 represnt you and they cant ask you shit and once the interogation begins just make sure you and your partner have the same story. dont admit 2 shit cus they can fuck you with it later dont sign shit, yea we got an anti graffiti ask force and shit so they really knoe wazzap, dont get bagged by those fucks but if you do just say there is a bunch of mr x's and your x9, bust out with some lame shit like i wanted 2 fit in with my peers at school and with the original x1 and he said if i wrote i could get down, fuck fat ass cops fall for that peer pressure bullshit! if you get caugh and the assholes wanna charge you for more shit tell em there is no legal fuckin way they can match ya shit with other taggings, just say you did that one tagg. They may wanna say that you did damage on a wall that you were hitting but was already hit up, tell em thats some gang graff and shit be wise of the spots you hit, you wouldnt wanna pay fuckin a ton for painting some fuckin marble and getting bagged! and if the cop say you did this x amount of damage, scope the spots out ya self or make your lawyer do that shit and say you will buff or clean up the spot on your own! one more thing the whole secret 2 helping you from getting bagged for shit is have your partners in crime ready for the day you get caught, me and my boys have this rule that one you get bagged of course tell your mom to help you out with an attorney and all that gay shit and tell her to tell mr x and x2 that you are bagged, emphazise that they have to know. Of course before hand, your buddies know what that means, to clean ya fuckin room and stash your paint, markers and anything that could incriminate you once the search warrant is issued and even paint your tagged closet or whatever! choose your partners wisely an the heads you roll with!


one thing, dont go telling everyone you write and that you will do their flyer and tell girls about your tagg just so can have a chance at getting some fanny,this applies 2 the kids who are just getting in 2 writing. im not saying 2 be hostyle but be wise of who knows you dont have 2 be a paranoid fuck but men thats how the cops get on ya ass! oh yea one thing when you meet any writer and you never heard of his ass or someshit and he wants 2 exchange info give your email address not ya phone number man! word to the wise change ya tagg when even ya mom is callin you mr x, everyone knows my get up partner by his tagg its fukkin pathetic! be paranoid dont trust a lot heads 2!

if you catch a felony ask your attorney about deferred adjudication

_____Ken Caminiti______
After submitting to a tongue-lashing from the judge, former Houston Astros third baseman Ken Caminiti pleaded guilty Thursday to possession of cocaine.

In exchange for his plea, Caminiti was given three years of deferred adjudication, meaning that - barring any further trouble with the law - no conviction will appear on his record. He could have been sentenced to up to two years in a state jail and fined up to $10,000.

The charge stemmed from Caminiti 's arrest with two other people in November at the Ramada Limited Motel in the 6800 block of the Southwest Freeway. He was charged with possession of less than 1 gram of cocaine. Police said they also found crack pipes in the motel room.

Visiting state District Judge Bill Hatten told Caminiti that he had taken his last drink and used his last controlled substance.

"You're getting a break," Hatten said. "You better take advantage of it."


this bitch got off with a shit load of probation cus he was some one instead of having a felony on his record

p.s

im not a king nor do i bomb hardcore, but after a while you kinda get the feel for the ropes, but i hope this shit can help some one out! knowledge is dangerous, pass it on


CaTch ThAt v-ZaY (http://www.geocities.com/catchvapors)

[..oX..]

Originally posted by noezywriter

unless of caurse your under 18 which means you cant buy paint...then i think it would matter..but if your over 18 then thats tru..you might just be coming back form a friends house after painting bikes or car....

key word being "buy." its illegal to buy paint, not to have it, depending on where you live. so you're pretty much cool except for the fact (in most cases) that if you are under 18 and a cop finds paint on you, he'll probably tell your parents or take you in to the station or something, so you may get off clean legally but you have to deal with your parents going bonzo and searching your room or some bullshit and probably finding your weed or god knows what the fuck... behh...

this is the thing though: cops will come up on you acting like they saw you painting. when you first hear a cop go "hey you! i saw that! get back here!" it doesnt allways occur to you that he didnt actually see jack shit and is going to try and take you in to fill his daily quota. you never know though... beehhh..

[BitchAssSlut]

probable cause is easily made up.
if you resist a search, chances are, the cops will make up some sort of believable probable cause... especially if youre out at 2am with a bag, and dark clothes. You could easily pass for a kid breaking into houses/cars.

and chances are, your 'rights' WILL NOT WORK in petty law situations like this.

[aerosoled]

i dont really know if this has already been said, but, you have to be 18 to buy paint in my state, and i once asked why and the cashier said because kids are dying, i kinda laughed, but i guess kids were takin the cans turnin them upside down so they only get aerosol and sniffing it and a bunch of kids dyed. anyways you also have to be 18 to buy cigarettes, but kids smoke cigarettes on the street as early as 10-12 years old. so why cant you have paint on you? its the same rules for cigarettes and paint i think. just a thought.

[industry]

what country are you all in? Im in canada and i buy paint all the time and im 15. i guess its diferent in other provinces or some shit.
whatever.

[sneak]

does any one know whether this worksin england?

[porque]

...different states definately have different laws reagrding paint purchase i would advise you to check them out for your state if you're not sure... standing up for your rights does work... but it only works if you know what you're talking about i have gotten myself out of quite afew situations because i knew what the police were and were not allowed to do... police get in huge trouble for violation of rights... so be firm in what you say and don't back down from them... if you're right and they know it chances are they're gonna give up and have to let you go... once i had them get so mad because they didn't have shit on me that they wrote me two tickets for bicycle infractions and actually took my bike... but i wrote a letter to the chief of police about how wrong it was and how i was considering sueing and had already contacted the ACLU... the next day she called me and apologized, released my bike to me (they still had it cause i couldn't prove it was mine), and suspended the cop who wrote me the tickets... she even said that it was not the first time this cop had tageted youth and wrote bogus tickets to them... believe me the system can work (...well kinda work...) if you know what you're doing... educate yourself, that's the point of this thread...

[kode]

Originally posted by porque
refuseing to allow them to search you in no way incriminates you...simply ask to see the search warrant...when they can't produce one tell them you see no reason why you are being detained and walk away...most of the time if they push things further THEY are the ones breakig the law and anything that happens will be counted as inadmisable in court which means you're scott free...
Another important thing to remember is that it is not against the law to carry paint around...it is only against the law to use that paint illegally...so unless they SEE you doing something you're usually ok.

Also If they decide to hold you until they get a warrant 9 times out of 10 it will be an illegal warrant and you can fight that shit in court all day. Cops are not patient so they usually won't follow the appropriate steps in order to obtain a lawful warrant. They will almost always skip a step when they need to search immediately. And if they have no evidence the worst thing they can do is fill out a field investigation card. And I know this should be common sense but if they CAN get you on ANYTHING remember you have the RIGHT to remain silent so don't say shit without proper counsel.

........live by the KODE die by the KODE.........:king:

[spec]

Well if any cop sees you doing it then you're pretty much fucked, I've learned your best bet at this point is to run. You can't talk your way out of it, another good reason to wear a mask, protection from the paint and getting seen. One thing you gotta watch out for which can be a real pain in a neighborhood watch, if there's somethign like that set up in your area you gotta be real careful.

[kode]

NO DOUBT. .:scramble:

[IMSORRYMOMMA]

if ur not caught in the act just give ur name and yer lawyers name if u have one and thats it.. let them take u in but if u dont open your mouth about any other information in the end wether its court of the back room of the police station.. they got nuthin on u.. plain and simple

[kode]

word :king:

[melt]

Originally posted by CETO-ONE
what country are you all in? Im in canada and i buy paint all the time and im 15. i guess its diferent in other provinces or some shit.
whatever. i think it depends on the store and employees because some places sell paint to kids around here and some dont.

[JuSt 1]

i havnt read the posts on this thread, but the best way to get away after someone has caught you is this...kill them and finish what your doing.

[serpent of the light]

as far as buying paint goes: some stores card, some stores don't i've found its how you dress and look, not how old you look. when i was punk fucking rock and i would walk in w/ shredded bondage gear a 6" chicken hawk, they would card me no matter what. i got out of punk, lost the hawk and raggy clothes. now i walk in wearing a generally clean t shirt and some dickies, and they just run me right through.

i am 18 as of recently so it doesnt fucking matter though

[B_As_In_Bot]

Would it not be a bad idea to take a tape recorder with me everytime I go out? That way I could turn it on before the pig stops and possibly searches me. If he fucks up, would it be admissible in court?

[miz303]

,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,

[REGULATOR]

Originally posted by OsCaR306
me and 3 of my friends hit our first wall today at 10pm! we got seen like 5 times..no one stopped or said shit. when we were done half an hour later we just left and we were spotted leaving alot. who cares if u get seen just dont get caught.


your a fucking retard and i hope you get busted...soon......what if one of people who saw you was a cop or a good samaritan...yea thats right bitch, your fucked....stop acting like your hot shit....when your a new toy like yourself you will get away with a lot of hot shit...but trust me hoe, your lucks gonna run out...

[porque]

^^^if i was an 8 year old toy i would paint at ten o'clock too...right after supper, right before bedtime...but for everyone else i would think they should have the common sense to paint much later than that and to be absolutely sure not to be seen by anyone...everyone has a damn cell phone and thinks they're the frickin police nowadays...damn citizens...i bet they all cheat on their taxes...

[sEks801]

what to do if your stuck in my situation. I was painting this board in my backyard, and my mom knows that I do graf, i have been doing it for 6 years, and she doesnt care, but i got some paint on the concrete and she goes fukin apeshit, so she calls cops and they get me for criminal mischief. but the cop never seen or heard the name i write. :confused:

[Sacewon_403]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH~

[Dr. Dazzle]

Originally posted by sEks801
what to do if your stuck in my situation. I was painting this board in my backyard, and my mom knows that I do graf, i have been doing it for 6 years, and she doesnt care, but i got some paint on the concrete and she goes fukin apeshit, so she calls cops and they get me for criminal mischief. but the cop never seen or heard the name i write. :confused:

Shit dude.....you got off lucky.......:rolleyes:

[porque]

...your mom called the cops on you because you got paint on the concrete?...that is fucked up...and i don't understand how you got charged with criminal mischief if you were painting a board in your backyard...it's not illegal to use a can of paint to make a picture if you own the property you're painting it on...and yes you are damn lucky the cop didn't know who you were...but if you have been writing for six years and cops in your home town don't know your name, you must not get up much.

[sEks801]

its not that im not up, he didnt see the board cuz i hurried and broke it and threw it in the field behind my house. so i dont know when i go to court if they are going to try and find out my name or not. my moms just dumb and she got all bent that there was spray paint on the cement. she keeps asking were all my blackbooks and photo albums are so that she can turn them in and i just tell her that i lost them. my mom keeps telling the cops that i go paint all over town and shit but the cop didnt really care about that all was concerned was charging me with criminal mischief in my own fuking house...:D

[porque]

...dude that is the saddest thing ever...does your mom hate you?...

...whatever you do don't admit the name that you write in court...that would be the stupidest thing you could ever do...if they ask you what you write tell them you were just wrriting your name, like your first name, or your girlfriends name...i would even go as far as to do a board with that name...and do it really shitty...use half cologged stock caps...make that shit look toy as hell...that way they won't give a fuck about what you write and try to talk your mom into dropping the charge...and if she won't you need to move out the house...

[el nervo]

be smart wear gloves and by all means do not stop for the police . run dont try to be slick that shit only works one out of ten times.

[RaidTheHood]

fuck using bookbags period unless you got like 6 cans, anyone walkin down the street at 2a.m. with a full bookbag is ganna look suspicous
p.s. loose pants with a belt is a great way to hold 2 cans comfortably

[sect one]

Originally posted by porque
refuseing to allow them to search you in no way incriminates you...simply ask to see the search warrant...when they can't produce one tell them you see no reason why you are being detained and walk away...most of the time if they push things further THEY are the ones breakig the law and anything that happens will be counted as inadmisable in court which means you're scott free...
Another important thing to remember is that it is not against the law to carry paint around...it is only against the law to use that paint illegally...so unless they SEE you doing something you're usually ok.

in chicago its illegal to carry paint around city streets at alll sucks i walked out of an alley after a newly done legal and they asked if i had paint in the bag i told them no at frist i didnt want them to take my paint and give me a fine so naturally i said no they told me it was illegal to carry paint around the city streets so i explained how i jsut finished doin a legal wall and i pointed to it and itold them thye could ask the owners of the place if they wanted i didnt have ap ermit htoughjust the owners permission i wish i did so i could have stuffed it i nthe pigs face but anyways he asked where i lived and i gave him a fake address and they went around to make sure i was headin in the direction of the address i gave em................i believe it became a felony here if you get caught tagging nowadays.....

[sect one]

Originally posted by REGULATOR



your a fucking retard and i hope you get busted...soon......what if one of people who saw you was a cop or a good samaritan...yea thats right bitch, your fucked....stop acting like your hot shit....when your a new toy like yourself you will get away with a lot of hot shit...but trust me hoe, your lucks gonna run out...
exactly plenty of the guys i have gone out with are fuckin stupid they think just because someone spots them and they are not a cop they wont say shit i got chased once cause this gay fuck didnt keep the lookout he was supposed to the guy saw us told us not to run but i was sure as hell not gonna stay there....... be paranoid DONT get confident because as soon as you get confident and stop worrying......your ass will be caught......

[sect one]

Originally posted by madbomber


no it doesnt.. what the fuck are u talking about
most cops dont give a fuck and are corrupt anyway and you could incriminate yourself if you dont let them search your bag then they are gonna think you have something you arent......we all know all cops dont go by the book...

[sect one]

i was wondering if the penalty for putting up stickers is the same for painting etc......say if you are putting up a sticker a cop cathes you an dyou have other stuff on you apint markers also

[porque]

i know of someone that was caught putting up stickers and they were charged with graffiti (they weren't even graff stickers, just band stickers) but in court the judge went easy on them and explained the problems with graff adn such and just gave him warning...i would think that in most places if you put up stickers with your name on it it would carry the same penalty as putting up tags...

...it seems more and more places are making it a felony to do anykind of graffiti...that's pretty fucked up if you ask me, i can understand them making it a felony after say $1000 of damage but from doing one tag is ridiculous...it's odd because i could go around throwing bricks through windows and it would be misdemenor vandalism but if i write my name on something it's a felony...


...7-11 bags...think about it...

[sEks801]

thanks for the advice porque, it makes alot of sense.

yah thats very true sect-me and my friend was walking up a main road at like three in the morning, to the back of this building that is seen from the freeway and on the way their we were just bombing signs and electrical boxes and my friend hit one and there was this dude on his front porch creeping in the dark smoking a cigarette and he said "what the fuk are u kids doin" so we bailed and he ran after us but he was to fat and slow. later on there was like 3 cop cars swarming the area but we krept bak home a different way.

just like sect said if anyone sees u get the fuk out of there.......

[Blank]

I do not consent to a search of my person, belongings, home or vehicle...i retain my 4'th amendment rights and all rights under the united states constitution...i will say nothing more untill my attorney is present...

and throw in something about how you're in a hurry and would like to be on your way...

cops are really bad, they called me up 5 years ago and told me they needed to talk to me about graffiti, mind you i was still a minor and they said i didn't need to tell my parents or anything.

i agreed and was kind of scared because of this diesle yard i bombed, we totally wrecked shop and created over $50,000 worth of damage and said they had fingerprints of one of the guys i was with and he dimed me out.

he did dime me out i saw the statement he wrote, is wasn't a formal arrest when i got there, i denied everything, but i got a summons to go to court.

when i went to court, the judge dismissed my case and said he had no jurisdiction over me and the other two guys got in trouble but the dude who ratted got the worst punishment since the other kid was only 15 and had his case handled in juivenille.

needless to say, the guy caught a bad one from my boots and the stick in my hand, and by the law afterwards...

NEVER ADMIT YOUR GUILT, DO NOT FALL FOR THEIR TACTICS TO MANIPULATE YOU OR A SITATION, EVER!

Peace.

[porque]

Originally posted by Blank
I do not consent to a search of my person, belongings, home or vehicle...i retain my 4'th amendment rights and all rights under the united states constitution...i will say nothing more untill my attorney is present...




Everyone should memorize this or carry it on piece of paper in your pocket so you will be ready to respond to them...-thanks blank

[type R]

one factor that does influence the results of being stopped is age, at least in my area.. if you are under 18 then most likely you wont be going home anytime soon, because of the bullshit of parents, etc. that goes with being a minor, this has not only happened with graffiti but also with parties that have been busted, anyone over 18 had there info taken and was released, but the minors had to be escorted home by a parent..this is in response to the post saying not to carry an ID, just remember it can both help and hurt you, and lying never hurt either.

[DVISE GRPHk]

KEEP YOUR HANDS CLEAN AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE NUTHIN ON YOU DONT LET THEM SEARCH YOU AND DEFINETELY DONT LET THEM SEE YOU PAINTING IF ALL ELSE FAILS SPRAY THE COP IN THE FACE WITH A CAN OF KRYLON

[DRIPONERS]

yo heres some advice sometimes the railroad police have dogs if they do tehy usually let them go as they stand there watching it has happened to me luckly i had a can i just sprayed that fucker in the face and boom i jetted out of there dog couldn't see me i got off clean but i feel sorry fo that dog :D

[REGULATOR]

argh...almost got caught today...i was at a cut (not painting, but i had paint on me) and some cops came in and found me....i told him that i was taking pictures, but then i didnt have a camera he he fgured that out real quick, he found markers on me and shit...he also searched my bag but luckily my cans were wrapped up in a bag so he didnt look...i told him that i didnt want to be searched but he said he was gonna do it anyway because i was at the place (didnt kno if this was legal or not) he took my information and sadly i gave him my real info cus i needed my name to match the math papers in my bag...but i gave him a fake tag cus he knew i wrote..mother fucker took my miniwide and shit...so heres some ways to be prepared

CONCEAL YOUR CANS WELL!!!!! put them into like a small bag inside your bag

HAVE AN ALIAS!!!! have a special name, adress, fone number etc memorized in your brain for when you take information

CARRY A CAMERA..you can say you were just taking pictures

luckily he let me off with a warning but im pissed he took my markers

[euthana5ia]

tips

the later the better. that time right before it is about to get light is the best for paititng. then if you are walking a long way home or somewhere it is almost light outside...mor epoeple will start coming outside. maye even stash your bag somewhere and pretend you arejogging or somethng. also there are things you can put cans in besides bags..to go out with one can only to catch tags you can put a can in one of those giant foutain drink cups frm 7-11. or for fillins you have one color and your friend has another.

another thing is think about what neghborhood you are in...stash paint accordingly you know what i mean...liek try to only take what you need and then dispose when paitnign a neighborhood where you look shady in.

i got this silver messenger bag from gap...try to look gay...even walkgay...unless your in a bad neighborhood youll lookredculous.

i you ride a skateboard...if a cop ever happens to drive by you bust a kickflip.

hey stupids just because someone who sees you isnt a cop doest mean they ownt call thecops! actually one time i was out jsut doing streaks with someone and a saw a truck comin downt the street..i jokinlgy told dude to get up (he was crouched own doing a garbge can) because truckers are assholes. when the went by i looke dinside and it was two cops inside.

especially if yure in a neighborhhod with a drug problem...THERE ARe cops hiding out in undercover cars!

dont smoke weed or drink.

be creative there area lto of things you can do.

[spectr]

ok one thing ive noticed that is good to do is always report a cop whenever he stops you for anything ask why he is stoping you, be polite at all times get as much info as possible from him and get his badge number and name then proceed to file a police report saying he harrassed you that way when you go into court and your lawyer has 50 complaints against the cops saying he stopped so and so becuase he thought they had drugs or whatever it gives you alot more credabality becuase there is a obvious pattern of herassment against people of your age all stops for the same thing and never any drugs or shit.
also as far as gloves are concerned i dont wear them unless i am piecing
if you get stopped bombing and your over 18 just tell them your a house painter and you just left a club or show or something and these are extra cans of paint your boss let you have, if your under 18 just dont tell them anything they try to be slick me and my boy were out one night and got peeped by cops and cut down a side street ditched all our shit and then got stopped the cops kept saying they just wanted to make sure we were just tagging the entire time and not robbing cars or something of the sort they try to make it sound like they dont care about it so you feel more comfortable and will tell them whatever you want, getting your hands on a art school id could be a good idea just tell them you paint mixed media canvas and like the effect of spray paint and sound like a art fag just make up bullshit and talk about some guy who influenced you alot most of the time they will buy the story and not want to waste aany more time with you.
remenber wrtiers are like ninja you dont want to be seen and when you are seen you want to blend in and draw as little attention as possible, ive heard of writers who only bombed in suits my boy always brings his girl along and just starts to make out with her whenever the cops drive by what cop is gonna stop some couple making out, things i always try to avoid when bombing is a backpack with tags on it thats a dead giveaway, baggy jeans, shirts with graff on them, dont look the sterotyped part of a bomber, if some kid can come up to you off the street and tell that you write its time to change how you look...
dam ive already written way to much time for me to go back to gutting chickens so they aliens eat them and dont try to eat my mind

[beaucou]

let me dope this on u. one night me and my buddies were walkn down this street lookn for a place to paint boom outa no where robo cop rolls up asks whats in tha bags nothn is tha reply nextd thing i know im up against a car getn searchd and spendn a night in jail.
heres a tip when u wanna paint somewhere dont let ur drunk buddy make u go later cuz u all will fall

[meone]

when i originally started to write I was about 15 i wrote for 2 and 1/2 years I got real cocky i would hit shit in broad daylight stop signs, walls, bridges, i even hit a bench in the middle of a mall with security running around a book signing 2 stores down, i eventually went to hit a bridge i got nailed and i had to stop writing between the fear of getting hit again, my girlfriend bitching, and my parents bitching. Now 3 years later I'm picking it up again and having to start from scratch and play catch up to my friends. For all the toys and newcomers to this game DON'T FUCK UP THE BEST ADVICE I'VE READ AND ENCOUNTERED MYSELF IS STAY PARANOID AND BE PARANOID AS FUCK. STAY SAFE.

[merkado]

wurd up! good advice kitko. janitors, pedestrians, suspicious lookin dudes in wheelchairs. anyone can be an informant. and in response to that kid that mentioned bombin in suits i rock a mechanics outfit when i go out and some beat up kicks i got at the goodwill(ha). it works though man. the times i've been stopped wit cans bustin out my pants i tol em i just got outta work and i'm never bothered. just be paranoid as wut yall and get ups.

earth chirp,
merkado

[TEEHEEHEE]

Originally posted by sect one

exactly plenty of the guys i have gone out with are fuckin stupid they think just because someone spots them and they are not a cop they wont say shit i got chased once cause this gay fuck didnt keep the lookout he was supposed to the guy saw us told us not to run but i was sure as hell not gonna stay there....... be paranoid DONT get confident because as soon as you get confident and stop worrying......your ass will be caught......

i'm just hell paranoid but some dudes i know can pull this bullshit confidence thing so if your clued in on stuff just do what works for you.



but for most that have never had a REAL chase you'll just be walking around with no idea that you've been reported, or even still at some wall and shit will get real hectic real quick, so keep your shoes laced tight at all times

[NC]

Fuck how did i miss this thread.. ? Anyhow im from down under , melbourne australia and best thing i can really say is police and graffiti dont mix...

So what you have to aim for anytime you go out is not only to bomb up a spot or do a peice.. but not to get caught, pulled over or spotted.

Always be 'cautious' with bystanders, especially say workers in a freight yard. (seems to be different in some places in us.) But yeah besides that people just driving past you or someone peeking out their window can get you into trouble!

With cops there really isnt much you can do against the search bit, of course they cant do much if they get you with cans and stuff, probably most they can do is take them with them to the station (something with intent to cause criminal damage or vandalism) and if ur game to get them, good on you .. if not then you buy/rack and go from the start , with knowledge they got your name.

If ur caught painting, then i guess ur fucked.. If u run away and you get done.. youre fucked even more.

ALL COPS ARE ASSHOLES!
Im sorry mista officerrr but its true, some are little cunts some are big gay assholes, so dont be fooled with their stories and intimidations, unless you saw them and they saw you painting, they dont have much if any proof. Which means once again youre back to 'name and address' and 'look what we have here some spraycans' lines.

They will try to get you to say what you were up to, to rat in on your friends and to tell them your tag, in exchange to let you go or not to press charges. ITS ALL BULLSHIT. so watch yourself and watch what you say. Best is to say as little as possible if nnothing.


Obvious things with painting and not getting busted:

-dress differently to the 'stereotype' even if it makes you look like a homeless bum or a some fag.

-be polite to cops even if they are the biggest fuckwit faggots youve come across, polite but to the point.

-try and NOT make it obvious that you just did that tag 10 meters back, if say a car comes past on a busy street, dont run away or act suspiciously, walk slowly in direction of the car or sit down on the curb and pretend ur sick or waiting for a taxi.

-have an exit if things go wrong, that way if you HAVE to run, you can run somewhere.

-gloves are a must whatever you do.

-if you drink and paint, youre a bloody idiot. (that involves drugs too) :dazed: heheh

Few personal opinions: solo missions are a bitch but sometimes if not all the time cops wont bother stopping you when ur alone.. experience #1.

Gloves are good, usually at night it gets a bit chilly so a light jumper and just pull it over your gloves and you should be fine when ur walking around.

If youre just going for a bomb take what you need and nothing more! Usually having more shit can get you into trouble and you will hesitate if you have to dump your cans and run for it.

Think what you want more, that can (no matter how much it cost you) or being caught .. same goes with a backpack full of cans.. if you can , stash it.. if not fuck it, its not worth getting done for.

Watch out for security cameras, you dont need that sort of exposure. Most of tapes im sure go to the cops if the person has put the camera there to find out whos trashing that wall day after day.


Heres a link i just found for anyone in victoria ..

Vic Legal Aid page (http://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au)

Online Brochure - Police Powers: Your rights (http://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/upload/police_powers.pdf)

The brochure is handy as, if you can get your hands on the actual thing and have it with you it should keep things straight with cops when you rip it out.. havent tried it yet, im sure they would think twice of what they ask and how they go on with 'searching' my stuff...



I think that covers most, its a bit of everything and least advice when in trouble cos i try to stay away from it, especially cops, again stay calm even if ur sprinting away from cops and dont admit to ANYTHING unless they are standing behind you when ur painting.

[porque]

...this might be another thing that is kinda obvious, but if you have a bag make sure you have nothing in there that can point to you, i would recommend only having paint and something that can cover the paint and keep it quiet, cause if you ditch your bag and there is a piece of paper with your name on it in there, you better believe you're gonna have a detective at your door in the morning...(this might have already been mentioned but oh well if it has)...

[NC]

Thats a good one but i dont know what they can do really unless its next to your peice or a train which you did and left your stuff there...

Either way, have a separate bag with books or shit like that and paint, wallets and so on, just in case you have to dump it.

[boxer_kid29]

This is what I do when I'm caught and have no excuse. I draw my 9mm glock point it at the pig and make it say boom then I run. Simple

[wydontyudie2]

okay
so like i dont wear rubber and i dont keep my cans either. I wear mechanix gloves, they have a padded finger so you dont getta blister when you spray and they keep you warm in the winter. they also are soft so any fingerprints on the cans will be smudged but just in case i wipe the cans after i empty one and ill throw it away. ifa cop does happen to come across you, you dont want an empty can of the color that all wet down the way. your caught right there. another thing if possible i dont carry a a bag period, thats incriminating if you are out at 3 in the morning, just go with a few cans in the cargo pants and always look hella dirty cops wont bug you if you do, theyll jut think you are a drifter.

[wydontyudie2]

heres my opinion on paint times,(i only broke this rule twice and i was drunk and one time i paid for it by stepping in two feet of water)

1only paint after 12am
2never paint friday, wednesday or saturday nights if you are bombing
3 strap skates if you street trekkin

[Kritik]

Originally posted by 87centHitMan
If you don't wanna catch STD's like AIDS or KIDS

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YEAH dont be catchin KIDS that shit is for life man.



sorry I'm off point..I just thought that shit was funny.

[TEEHEEHEE]

just look like a weirdo,

i know i do

[CatScanner]

Not sure if this has been asked befor but:::
i have this cardboard in my garage, which i do shit on, with extra paint--it has alota kids who are up mad around my hood on it- can the 5-0 do anything about this- what if somebody calls about graffiti,and its in my garage..can the cops do shit- what if there is paint right there? :confused:

[vesa]

just say you copied the tags thinkin you were cool.
oh yea, bombin friday nights can be proper good, police have got a lot more shit to worry about. can in ya front pouch an fuck some shit up. if you got a spot to do a dub or piece then do that first, catch tags an throwups on ya way home. no point puttin the place on a hotters before you got what you went out for

[NC]

catscanner: i have a board in the back yard too.. always have a can handy like chrome or black and slash it up good when ur done say testing mixed cans or whatelse.. you never know what they can use the 'evidence' for.

. if you got a spot to do a dub or piece then do that first, catch tags an throwups on ya way home. no point puttin the place on a hotters before you got what you went out for

hope thats common knowledge.. youre not lost in a forest and need to leave bread crums around to get back home! :D

[CatScanner]

iight- now im buggin tho, these garage people are here at my crib to put in a new door, and they in the garage and my shits in there.....and i aint gona go hey guys take the board and run like im all suspicious and shit man im buggin i thik they gona do shit or somethin

[CatScanner]

YES!!!! they left for like 20 minutes and i got busy- i took out some bucket paint and roller around 10 boards in about 15 minutes god im so fuckin happy, now theyre all white, and i have shit to paint that isnt all retarded and fifferent colored,haha:king:

[porque]

...i know a lot of kids have practice boards and shit like that, and technically that's not really evidence for anything because if you own the board and the property where it is then it isn't illegal...it's just painting...but in my personal opinion i think it's pretty stupid to keep anything like that around, especially if you bomb alot and your name is hot...i keep my crib spotless of shit, every thing is hidden...remember we are criminals, think like a criminal, if you sold coke you wouldn't leave big bags of it laying on your coffee table would you?...but this is an extreme...if you're not really hot it's probobly not that bad to have a board, just keep it pretty DL so your neighbors don't know about it...


...somehow this thread evolved from legal advice to tips to not getting caught at all...oh well...the best thing i can tell you is thta every city is different, drive around one night late and observe what kind of people are out and in what areas, then when you bomb those areas try to look like those people...this is also referred to as COMMON SENSE...

[NC]

...somehow this thread evolved from legal advice to tips to not getting caught at all...oh well...the best thing i can tell you is thta every city is different, drive around one night late and observe what kind of people are out and in what areas, then when you bomb those areas try to look like those people...this is also referred to as COMMON SENSE...

hahaha! well after all we are criminals :cool:

[el nervo]

you live to die

[B_As_In_Bot]

Originally posted by RaidTheHood
fuck using bookbags period unless you got like 6 cans, anyone walkin down the street at 2a.m. with a full bookbag is ganna look suspicous
p.s. loose pants with a belt is a great way to hold 2 cans comfortably

This is the thing - Its stupid to walk around with that shit on you - unless your going to a permission wall or something. The best way is with the use of a car. You drive by the spot - Chuck your paint out (in a bag) Get out somewhere (not on the same street) Then walk to the spot..

[destroyall]

Originally posted by wydontyudie2
heres my opinion on paint times,(i only broke this rule twice and i was drunk and one time i paid for it by stepping in two feet of water)

1only paint after 12am
2never paint friday, wednesday or saturday nights if you are bombing
3 strap skates if you street trekkin
maybe u know something that i dont but what is wrong with painting on a wednesday night? fridays and saturdays obviously there are more cops out just because it is the weekend, but wednesday?

[KeepzEG6]

aiight i jus got one question for yall. Ive just got into graffin and have actually never been out on the streets cuz i want to learn about things to do when u get caught and shit, but my real question is, if you get caught couldnt u just ditch or hide ur bag if your in a corner or alleyway? that way they dont have shit to search cept maybe ur pants and then if your off the hook go and grab ur bag and go home, or go and finish the graf if u got the balls:idea:

[merkado]

Originally posted by KeepzEG6
Ive just got into graffin and have actually never been out on the streets...bla bla bla.... go and grab ur bag and go home, or go and finish the graf if u got the balls:idea:

get arrested... no really get arrested.

[-MOE LESTER-]

Originally posted by KeepzEG6
aiight i jus got one question for yall. Ive just got into graffin and have actually never been out on the streets cuz i want to learn about things to do when u get caught and shit, but my real question is, if you get caught couldnt u just ditch or hide ur bag if your in a corner or alleyway? that way they dont have shit to search cept maybe ur pants and then if your off the hook go and grab ur bag and go home, or go and finish the graf if u got the balls:idea:

if your in a corner or alleyway your fucked....eat your spray cans and markers

[vesa]

if you walking along a street and a cop car pulls up next to you its not all that easy to ditch your bag. you gotta see em comin cos soon as they see you they trained notice when you stick the bag of weed in ya pants/bag of paint under a car.

nuff times ive done a dub a stashed the left over paint so i dont have to walk home with it at 3 in the morning. if a cop stops you an you got paint you either run or hope to get lucky

[toyeattoywar]

on another note when it comes to dealing with police. in the united states if you are not a minor it is not illegal to refuse cops your identification if you are not driving a car or if they have not seen you do anything illegal. i will reiterate, if you are driving you must present id, if you have been caught doing something ILLEGAL you must show a cop your id if you have it with you. this is a right in every state that i know of. dont let the police mess with your heads either, they will tell you its illegal and that it is mandatory but it is not. as some people already know and some will eventually learn police have a very reoccuring tendency to lie to you to get what they want out of the situation and they also have a tendency to make up laws as they go along. most police do not know their laws very well ehich is why it is good as it was said before to read know your rights by the aclu. they will tell you that you will be ticketed or arrested for noncompliance or something thereof, they are lieing. they will tell you that you will get worse charges as it goes on, they are lying to you. i know that this sounds pretty crazy but it is the truth, if they say they will have to call their superior officers and have a meeting, let them. it is not illegal. i highly recommend to anybody reading this to research it for yourself and to not take my word for it. you can look into it at an aclu website and at most copwatch websites. it is also not illegal to tape record (audio) your conversations with the police as long as one person in the conversation is aware that they are being recorded, that one person CAN be you. it is also not illegal to videotape officers while on duty although they will swear time and time again that it is but i highly recommend having a witness or two present for this while doing so and one of them videotaping you in action to reassure that there is no brutality involved because police tend to frown on the activity of videotaping them while in action (if you are considering videotaping a police officer, again do not take my word for it look into your local laws yourself). if you decide to videotape a police officer in action please try to keep the videocamera on the officer at all times after taking one videoshot of the suspect. the reason for this is because by video taping the suspect it is possible to catch them in the act of doing something illegal and the video can be used to incriminate them. keep your lens on the officer. look to make sure that the suspect is not doing anything illegal at the time before videotaping them.
editnote:it is only legal to record(audio) police officers in texas and one other state, i was mistaken about this fact. this is a very good example, if you plan on using these techniques do your research into your own local laws.

[nuXer]

another thing that might help if u get caught in the act is ditching your clothes while running, if a cop is looking for a kid wearing a black hoody he might not think that u were wearing a light colored tshirt underneath. u could also wear tear-away pants (with the buttons on both sides) with shorts underneath but those would probably slow u down while running, although if youre hiding it might work

[CRYrock81]

Originally posted by porque


...if you are searched based on the notion that you smell like weed, then they are searching you for weed...not paint...if they find paint that is in no way linked to your smelling of weed... remember having paint is not against the law (...yet?) They will ask you why you have paint so be able to come up with a good excuse...Lying is essential to getting away

to further prove this point think about this... let's say the police have all kinds of evidence that i am selling drugs...they spend weeks and weeks getting proff and finally have enough for the magistrate to issue a search warrant for my house... upon busting in to my house they find: a prostitution service in my living room, an illegal casino in my bedroom, a conterfeit money lab in a clost and a full out cock fight in the basement... since their warrant is for drugs they can not arrest me for any of these other crimes, because before entering my residence they had no proof of such things... Being stopped on the streeet is the same way, if they search you looking for one thing and they find something else they can't do anything about it...esspecially if what they find is not in itself illegal (paint) but only implies by assumption an illegal activity... hmmmm...then tell me if this sounds "right"......a cop came into my old highschool...some career day bullshit.....said they were TAUGHT that when they search pockets bags etc to grab the bottom of the pockt/bag etc and pull it out like it was an accident...so that if you have ANYTHING incriminating ....... it falls out.......your speakin of justice from an unjust system.....they make the rules so you feel safe......then fuck you in the ass....peace

[imported_PaperbackWriter]

nobody wants to sit through these long stories..so i'ma try to keep it short. I tagged a door to a restaurant in my city with a black pilot. 2 sorority bitches saw it and called the jakes. i ditch my marker in the river and engage in a classic chase. i try to ditch a stack of my stickers and a silver deco pen, but the cops find it and are calling it evidence. they do NOT have the pilot that did the tag, but they DO have stickers that have the same word as the tag....am i screwed? the sorostitute witnesses supposedly ID'd me cuz i wore camos....but it was a dark night and they were a good 100 ft. away or more. without the pilot what case do they have...can they match unused stickers to the tag on the door? can i say i just FOUND the stickers despite the coincidence? now they want to trace every tag in the city i've done to me because of this, which WILL be a felony and WILL cost 1,000's of $$$$. should i just confess to the single restaurant tag saying I was mocking my hero this one time because i FOUND his stickers? its fucked up anyway, somebody drop some advice if you can.

[imported_PaperbackWriter]

bump

[seeking]

first of all, if you were wearing camo, how did the prostitute see you? you must have had on that faggy orange and red camo didnt you?

this was up at school i assume, not the d, correct?

get a lawyer, dont admit to anything till you get a lawyer. if they offer you some deal, where you admit to that tag, pay a 100 fine, and its done, if you get it writing, i would go with that, but if you dont get it in writing, tell em to fuck off.

actually, man, you best bet is just to get a lawyer and see what he says. you can probably get off of most the charges, but 3 eye witnesses are just as good as a marker.

[imported_PaperbackWriter]

seeking,

thanks for the advice man. basically i want to cop a plea for this one tag without this detective tracing it to the hundreds around the area i have also done. this may take a good lawyer to prove i only did it this one time and the others are irrelevant.

[Upgrade]

the best way to get away even if youre caught....shoot your way out. duh! BLADOW!!!!!!!

[porque]

^^...please do not waste space with garbage like that...^^

...paperback...a few questions for you...1) what have you actually been charged with so far? 2) where did they find the silver marker and the stickers? did they find them on you? did they witness you dumping them? 3) how drunk were those sorority girls? and were they hot? 4) how hot is your name? i.e. when toys get caught are you one of the names that they ask them about? 5) were they the gay orange and yellow camos?
...let me know and i'll get back with any advice i can give...

[d struk]

Now i Have been stopped and caught when caught i really had no where to run they had watched me hit up and were out of the car by the time i turned around adn walking my way now i fucked up, so i throw my marker on the ground and talk to them blah blah both ways then they ask to search my bag i replied no and they didnt why i cant say but it saved my ass from free room and board that night fact is they cant even search your person unless declared under arrest as well as your belongings.

[dogface]

Originally posted by madbomber
on the show C.O.P.S this cop was driving down the street and he looked at thease 2 guys and he said to the camera man thease are graffiti vandals. (u could just tell by looking at them)He got out of the car and started talking to them...The cop asked if he could look in the bag and the 2 guys said sure. There was atleast 10 cans in the bag along with some markers and stickers. The cop knew the guys were graffiti vandals but since the cop didnt see them painting he's well like im gonna have to let them go since we didnt actually catch them in the act. He checked there hands for paint and they were clean. Just as he was letting them go this bitch lady ran up to the police officer and said she saw thease boys putting up stickers on a sign. So then there were arrested and went back to the station...

i saw this, it was LOG and someone else, they rolled around and the cop was stupid cause he didn't notice that the tags on the walls were the same as the stickers. they never got arrested, just harassed for a long time.

[TimeHasCome]

i've gotten caught and i've gotten away.
but till this day i throw up the same tag i threw up that day.

[All Nighter]

.

[datum]

Originally posted by SIEK ah
Ok, this is what happened to me. i was walking solo down the main drag in town at about 2am on a monday. i had a single can in the pocket of my hoodie (the type of pocket where its just one and you put both your hands in). anyways, this cop was driving the opposite way but i heard tires behind me (like he flipped a U), and i'm like well "shit". he pulls next to me and tells me to come over. People say i look young for my age when i'm actually 19, but i get IDed all the time for anything. anyways, my hands are in my pockets and he wants you know how old i am. i say 19, and he says "got id?". i pull one hand out of my pocket and reach for my wallet. he tells me to take the other hand out of my pocket. then he spots the bulge of a can in my pocket while checking my id. He asks me what that is..."a beer?". i tell him no and he asks me what it is then. i tell him "my personal belongings". He then tells me "take out your personal belongings and place them on the curb, or i'll do it for you." Wow. i did it, he got pissed it was a can of paint...especially since hes an artist he told me (with a degree in fine arts)...aww, i got the worst cop...one with an art degree!!! anyways, i weasled my way out of everything, saying i'm new to graff and doing it to fit in wiht my friends. he lets me off, but takes my can and meanstreaks (he searched me entirely after he found the paint and detained me).

LONG STORY SHORT: DON'T LET COPS INTIMIDATE YOU, CAUSE AFTER YOU REALIZE WHAT THEY SAID/DONE, YOU MAY FIND OUT THAT YOU COULD HAVE RESISTED AND BE TOTALLY LEGAL IN DOING SO. THEY NEED PROOF OR PROBABLE CAUSE FOR ANY SEARCH.


why did you let him search you???

he broke the law, and had no right to take your stuff but you just let him do it?

try sticking up for yourself

[highball]

tassie toy said: "Try wearing geeky clothes and if you wanna go all out get some fake glasses. "

lol

if you already wear that shit every day it's no problem.
It's also real easy to tuck your shirt in for super-nerd status.

[hysterical]

tonight i was drivin around. i was at a stoplight and i had the sudden urge to spray a stencil on a sign next to me. i had a couple stencils in my back seat along with a can of black krylon. nobody was around, it seemed fine. so i got out of my car, sprayed it real quick, and got back in. as i got back in a cop pulls up behind me. (wtf made me want to spray a stencil, and why was a cop the only other car around.... why do these things happen..?) well i got caught. i tried to be as honest as possible saying stuff like "i know... i have no excuse, i have nothing to say to defend myself". we both knew i was fucked. well he confiscated my stencils, paint, and about a half dozen other stencils out of my trunk. i'm supposed to be getting a court hearing in the mail soon, and now i have to go to court.

i have no criminal record, so this is my first offence of any kind. what's going to happen to me? what should i do at court? i've never been. can someone give me some pointers? if possible, could someone give me their AIM screen name or something so i can talk about this more? i really need help, i dont know what to do..... this fucking sucks. :(

[Dick Quickwood]

I f you have uded the other stencils before, think about whether they know it..it depends on the graffiti situation in your town. They will charge you for the stencil that you did, and try to get you to confess to doing other stuff. If you dont say anything incriminating, youl probly just have to do community service.

[hysterical]

Originally posted by ARCEL
I f you have uded the other stencils before, think about whether they know it..it depends on the graffiti situation in your town. They will charge you for the stencil that you did, and try to get you to confess to doing other stuff. If you dont say anything incriminating, youl probly just have to do community service.

what do they usually make you do for community service?

[porque]

...what you do for community service will vary from city to city...around here they usually make people pick up trash in the street sor shit like that...it's nothing bad, just a big pain in the ass...


...but don't admit to anything else in court...

[Dick Quickwood]

when i had to do community service i sweeped floors at the school, wiped stuff off, etc. for a few hours

[RoofTopKilla]

man there aint no way ur gonna refuse a cop to look in ur bag at 2,3,or 4 am do u think they care if they violate ur rights.. no ones around whos gonna see if they beat ur skinny ass down paint ur face with ur own paint an take you home sayin you got beat up by a gang at that time... an plus community service is fun i spent my day folding towels at a ymca in nyc listin to music. The only advice u need to know is fuck who sees you cuz by the time they call the cops you ur gonna be done an gone an an most likely ther more scared of you then you are of them.. only run if u hear sirens or old guys with shotguns just walk around in decent clothes but make sure ur pants are baggy an have a belt u can hold 2 cans nice in them an baggy carpenter pants with all the pockets hold more experiment with clothes certain jeans u can hold a can in the pocket an there aint even a bulge i can walk around with about 6 cans in my jeans an if they stop i just walk around witha ciggeratte an say i went out to smoke if they dont see a hoody or bag they wont care gloves are good too

[uobey]

Most of what I’m seeing here is good and fun advice -- but if you get stopped by a cop being a smart ass will probably not get you out of trouble as easily as simply knowing your rights.

Below is what I've found that legally works -- and if you do get brought up before a magistrate you'll increase your chances of having any charges dismissed.

It is reasonable and legal for a cop to approach you and ask you questions. Cops on patrol and beat cops (cops walking a foot path) can stop you in what’s called a “terry stop.” Cops do these sorts of stop when someone “looks funny” (reasonable suspicion) – if you swerve when you drive or look out of place in some way when on foot (yes, some times this involves discrimination) the cop can stop you.


HOW TO DEAL WITH A TERRY STOP:

Part 1: Questioning and interrogation.

During a terry stop the cop can ask you anything he wants such as:

“Where are you going?”
“Where are you coming from?”
“Where do you work?”
“What school do you go to?”

Even if the cop seems friendly or like he’s making idle chat he’s not. He’s actually interrogating you and it’s something they are trained to do. By asking these and other questions the cop is hoping that you’ll slip up and volunteer some sort of information which he can further use to question and ultimately build reasonable suspicion.

For instance, if you tell the cop that you’ve just came from a party at a friend’s apartment not only have you opened yourself up to further questioning (“How much did you have to drink at your friend’s party?”) you’ve also just implemented other people.

Other lines of questioning may assist the cop in running a background check on you. Again – if you have warrants out for your arrest or prior convictions on your record this will bring the cop closer to cuffing you and hauling you off.

You can not be arrested simply for not identifying yourself – but IF the cop is able to establish reasonable suspicion that you’ve committed a crime (you’re drunk, there is fresh vandalism nearby, etc) he can haul you in and hold you until you’ve been identified and possibly charged.

It’s best to simply provide the cop with your name and address (verbally). You do not have to produce any ID (unless you were stopped while driving) or give the cop other information such as your social security number.

More on what to say to a cop below.



Part 2: Searches.

During a terry stop the cop may only search your person (pat you down, frisk you) if he feels that you may pose a threat to him. This search is ONLY on the outside of your clothes supposed to be for weapons. For instance, the cop can pat you down and “feel” an object in your pocket, but unless it feels like the barrel of a gun or the handle of a knife he cannot empty your pockets. He’s not even allowed to remove items from your pockets that do not feel like weapons. (Course, this is a moot point – obviously if the cop “feels drugs” or whatever he’s going to pull them out and charge you – but it will stand up in court that the cop did not have reasonable suspicion to search your FOR drugs and your lawyer can pressure the judge to throw the case out.)

If you’re calm, polite and appear to have your senses about you the cop isn’t not constitutionally allowed to search you.

NEVER submit to any search from a police officer. Sometimes when you’ve been pulled over in your car or are stopped on the street the cops will ask, “May I search your car,” or “Would you submit to a search?” No matter how innocent or drug and weapon free you might be, ALWAYS decline a cop search. The cop may become hostile. He may something like, “What have you got to hide?” Stick by your guns and don’t let him wear you down into submitting to a search (they will try several times to talk you into it.)

Trust me – if the cop has even the slightest reason (probable cause) to search you HE WILL. If he asks to search first it’s because he’s trying to get you to relinquish your rights in the hopes that he will find something with which to incriminate you with. When they ask, that means they have nothing to go on. Asking to search you is their last straw at finding some reason to arrest you.


Part 3: Exercise your rights.

During a terry stop a cop cannot detain you for more than a reasonable amount of time for him to establish suspicion of a crime.

Obviously the circumstances weigh heavily on what is a reasonable amount of time. For instance if you’re at the scene of a shooting or some other serious crime then it’s reasonable for the police to hold you until they are able to ascertain that you had nothing to do with the crime. In this case the balance of suspicion falls in their favor. If you’re just walking down the street, minding your own business a cop has a much smaller window of time in which to stop and talk to you before allowing you to move on.

Be polite. Be firm.

If you are approached by a cop and asked to identify yourself, state very firmly, but politely that you are in a hurry and do not have time to talk with them. If he persists in wanting you identify yourself then comply by showing him your id or telling him your name and address (your not required to produce ID unless driving a car).

If he tries to ask you questions (such as where you’re going, etc) reiterate that you are in a hurry and do not have time to speak with him. Say, “I’m sorry officer, but I really must be on my way.”

If the cop tries to keep interacting with you (asking questions, sizing you up) ask him if you are under arrest. Asking a cop if you’re under arrest is the MOST legitimate question you can ask the cop. It’s your right to know what your “status” is when interacting with the police and they are required to inform you. (This is why they announce when they are placing you under arrest and read you your Miranda rights.)

The cop may come back with some question or comment of his own like, “Do you think I should arrest you,” or, “How would you like me to arrest you?” Ignore his comments and ask again, “Officer you did not answer my question: Am I under arrest?”

The cop will have to admit that you are not in fact under arrest – this is when you ask the cop if you’re free to go. Continue to ignore the cop’s questions and ask if you’re free to go until he eases up and agrees that you’re free to go.

It’s also effective to ask the cop if he has observed you doing anything wrong. If he admits that he didn’t see you break any laws then you’re free to go.

Ultimately interacting with cops is about defending your rights. So many people never know how to address cops and wind up incriminating themselves and others.

FWIW, don’t be cocky and say something like, “I know my rights!” Trust me – the cop is going to know your rights way better than you will (he’s trained to nullify your rights) and you’ll just piss him off.

The cop isn’t required to let you know your rights until you are placed under arrest (This is when you’re read your Miranda rights and told that anything you say can and will be used against you.) By knowing exactly what you’re required to say to the cop as he’s doing his “terry stop” you can better defend your rights.

A cop is always less likely (and able) to mess with those people who exercise their rights when interacting with them. If the cop sees that you’re not a push over and that you’re just trying to look after your rights (rather than be standoffish) he’ll let you go on your way.

The ACLU has more information about interacting with cops here:
http://www.csuchico.edu/pot/bustcard.html

[Dick Quickwood]

good info

[feeti]

I was catching tags on the back door of a building, and this lady ratted us out. So this cop rolls up, a block away. And my friend has a courier bag, but all that's in it are a few beers, so the smarty pants cop searches my friend and then lets us go. He even missed the silver mark on my hands. Decoy Boy all the way.

uneverknew

[binnki]

Originally posted by CRone



:crazy:


hahahahaha

words to live by

[Benvolio]

last weekend i went to halloween horror nights at universal studios islands of adventure in o-town florida. they make a big deal out of security when you enter. you have to go through a metal detector and then pat you down. if you have anything in your pockets you have to empty them out. some guy in front of me emptied out his pockets into the tray. among his stuff was a pack of cigs. the cops took the plastic tray, and then opened up his ciggeretts and found two joints. they arrested him. could he have refused to let the police look through his belongings? what if during the pat down, they felt the cigs and asked him to take them out (even though its not a weapon). even though it wasn't a weapon, they could have pulled some bs "terrorist" line on him. if he refused a search, could they refuse his admission? thoughts/opinions/answers?
peace

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[amptwo]

Originally posted by porque
if you have red paint on your finger, and the alley you just came from has a fresh red tag in it, then they have probable cause to search you and you will be caught...

just when can a cop decide what is probable cause though? for instance, can they say they have probable cause because its 3am and no one else is around and your standing 20 yards from a fresh peice?

[porque]

strungout....by entering that premesis you are subject to their terms and security, if the guy had seen that they were searching people he should have left, but it is legal to search people as they enter a club, if you don't want to be searched, then don't go...on another note, if you're going to put joints in a cigarrete pack, roll them with a machine and add a filter so even if they look in there they may not be able to tell, just hope they don't smell em...

amptoo...unless there is something that they can use to connect you to the piece, they would not hva eprobable cause...if this happened to you and the cop searched you, just keep your mouth shut and don't say anything....hopefully you can get a good lawyer to sort it out later.

[BiGBaDBeTSkE]

YO I GOT A QUESTION...HOW DO YOU CUT DOWN THE SOUND OF CANS RATTLEING IN YOUR BAG SO IF THE COPS DOTRYTO SEARCH YOU U WONT GET FUCKED BY THE LAW

[NC]

hmm if they are determined on searching you, they will want to check your bag too id say? so whats the point of the cans not rattling?

[Dick Quickwood]

Originally posted by BiGBaDBeTSkE
YO I GOT A QUESTION...HOW DO YOU CUT DOWN THE SOUND OF CANS RATTLEING IN YOUR BAG SO IF THE COPS DOTRYTO SEARCH YOU U WONT GET FUCKED BY THE LAW

magnets

[SHAKEWELL]

everyone has a lot of good input on this topic and i agree that this post is MUCH needed so study up kids. basically what it all boils down to here is the SITUATION. it depends on what the cops saw (or say they saw) what you have on you, is there paint on your hands, your clothes, how well do you know the cats you're out with; i.e. will they rat??
so the best advice i can give is think on your feet. come quick with whatever you tell these pigs. be confident in EVERYTHING you say. cops smell fear just like we can smell their bacony goodness. make up something absurd. act a bit confused and disoriented. cops have found paint on me before and i straight up told them i was huffing the shit and if my girl found out she would kill me, thats why i had the gloves. or if they really start pinning shit on you act lame and make like the copy cat. "oh this fine ass girl i hooked up with thinks graff is the coolest so i was just trying to impress her by copying some other stuff i've seen" or "of course this is the first time i've EVER done ANYTHING like this, how so you think you caught me so easily officer" but the number one thing to remember, and i can't stress this enough, the cops CAN be easily outsmarted if you play it right. think about it, they're cops. if they were any smarter they would be lawyers or scientists or some shit. or if they are actually smart and love police work they wouldnt be walking a beat, they would be working murder cases and more important shit. your average beat cop that takes down writers is nothing than a mere grunt. easily outsmarted. just remember that and be confident. or just don't get caught in the first place........

[porque]

...despite popular belief on this board, a magnet will not prevent a can from rattleing because they have glass marbles inside. glass has no magnetic properties...if you really want to keep your cans quiet, wrap them in a tee shirt, socks or something like that muffles rattling and keeps them from clanging...

...shakewell...some of your advice is good but remember that some cities pay top dollar to their vandel squad detectives so don't think that it's all just the dumb cops that will catch you...

[hysterical]

i posted somethin a few weeks ago about gettin caught stenciling... well i had my court hearing today and got NOTHING! fucking NOTHING! :lol: appearantly if the cop that caught you doesnt show up, the whole damn thing gets dismissed. i thought this only worked with speeding tickets and shit... nope. no fine, no community service, no criminal record. i'm fuckin stoked :D

[mom]

lets say me and my homeboy get caught. im 16 and hes 19... we get caught by the bevis and butthead of the district 5 police force.

- our rights were not read to us -

how can this work to my advantage? is everything i told them dissmissed now?

please help, my homeboys in jail right now and i gotta get him out.

[tdoter]

wow, i havent been caught because i look out for myself, when i go bombing i dont dress in suspicious clothes, dont carry a bag with graffiti on it, (duh) and i dont carry stickers or my black book, als o common knowledge, cuz once u get chased an du ditch ure cans, they may apprehend u but cant charge u with anything

[NC]

Originally posted by porque
...despite popular belief on this board, a magnet will not prevent a can from rattleing because they have glass marbles inside. glass has no magnetic properties...if you really want to keep your cans quiet, wrap them in a tee shirt, socks or something like that muffles rattling and keeps them from clanging...


Not sure about other cans but molotows and ral's have metal marbles inside, i think 4 smaller ones. And on inflammable.com they sell (used to) this thing which looks like a stubbie holder, exept its for cans so you slide the can inside it and its meant to make it NOT rattle.

Now a question about the whole magnet deal... i had a flat magnet bigger than a normal can base around 1.5 cm bigger in diameter so it was sticking out, it was powerful enough that when u stick it to a peice of metal, you better have a screwdriver nearby. BUT it didnt work well with any of the cans i tried and figured they would have metal marbles inside... Suggestions?

[SIVIK]

I agree with what most of shakewell said.My advice would 2 not give them shit act chill,calm,speak confident not softly like a bitch.Remember they are most likely wanna interveiw on tape so dont try 2 fabricate shit 2 get your self in the clear.If u do keep it simple & stick 2 your story.When there ask'n u stuff b4 the interveiw ask 4 them 2 record this.Most importly say "NO COMMENT" through out the interveiw.U have 2 give your name & address.They have only the tape as evidence at that stage so dont continue with your fabricated story,unless its tight.They will try 2 give u the imression that say'n no comment is incriminating yourself but really its the oppisite.In the interveiw they can say shit like "i put 2 you that you vanalised that wall,would u agree" "no comment".Hold your own & remember they need proof.Even if they decide 2 charge u with some lame ass shit coz they rekon its u once it gets 2 court they need solid evidence 2 make the charge stick or a conviction.After this stage they will then tell u what evidence they have on you or if any.They relie on u fukn up & agreeing with there suspicsions but if u stick with no comment they have nothing from you.Wearing gloves is a great fukn idea couldnt agree more.

My 2 cents.

[KsM]

i still get caught..............i cant run fast and imnot good at lieing.........

[KsM]

tooo hard.....

[heavyLox]

did we learn nothing from the Usual Suspects???
come on lads, police are not the brightest bulbs on the christmas tree.


years ago i read an article about a guy who was sueing the state of CT ( yea id butcher it if i spelled it), for not allowing him to be a state trooper on the grounds that he scored to hi on his IQ test, and police work would bore him...

[NAUTER]

honestly i havent read any of the shit written... i read the first page briefly and a few comeents in between... but here my advice

since i have been bagged... beat the shit out of... painted.. alll by the police... i would advice... first thing.. dont hesitate to run.. if they caught u in the act and u do not run.. ur bagged... resisting arrest is bull shit that just makes things slightly worse...

truth is cops dont have anything against u unless they see u do it.. or catch u with the materials on you.. if u live in a big city ... where police dont care.. like NY or CALI.. then theyll search your bag either way.. it cost alot more to fight the power and almost impossible to prove police serched u illegaly.. they can make up any proboble cause they want..

if you cannn say your 15.. if you look close enough.. (16 or 17) its allot more paper work for them and they wont do it... say you don thave your ID or wutever... dont bomb with ID... cops will give you shit but it dont matter its minor.. good luck

[NAUTER]

act calm and cool ... act nervice... but under no surcumstances say anything to incriminate your self...
they will give u mad shit like we saw you do it already or we already no u did it... THATS bull shit... if they saw they wouldnt askk do not admit anything and dont rat.. say you dont know the kids last name.. or make up a fake name.. if theyll pulling your leg and havent cuffed u or done anything for a while and are still talking then they dont have shit.. you can piss em off as much as you want.. tell the cops your friends name is the same name on his badge...

[old_woman]

FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICE!!K THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICFUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICE!!K THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICE!!K THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICFUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICE!!K THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE UCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICE!!K THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICFUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICE!!K THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICE!!K THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICFUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK HE POLICE!!K THE POLICE!! FUCK ! FUCK! FUCK THE POLICE!! FUCK! FUCK!! FUCK PIGS!!

FUCK PIGS!!!

FUCK THE PIGS!!!!!


KILL A PIG!!!!

KILL A PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!

BACON FOR LUNCH DINNER AND BREAKFAST!!!!!!!!!!!!


kill a pig!!!!!!!!!

FUCK THE PIGS!!!!!!!!!



FUCK FUCK FUCK THE PIGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


FUCK POLICE YO I'M OUTTA THIS MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!

[sneak]

what was the point of that^^??

[InDY_500]

all i gotta say is "stick and move" "stick and move"..............yehhh

[crot]

well, i cant run either, i eat too much mcdonalds. i cant lie either which is pretty hard when your dad is in the navy and has been workin with the sas and bin to wars and been through interigations, but i manage to go without my parents catchin me. ive been chased by the feds once or twic but got away.

[TEEHEEHEE]

sad to say but so far not getting caught is.... *luck*

[wOw]

my best advice is to suck the cops dick......it always works:p

[Kill Me Now]

Originally posted by madbomber
on the show C.O.P.S this cop was driving down the street and he looked at thease 2 guys and he said to the camera man thease are graffiti vandals. (u could just tell by looking at them)He got out of the car and started talking to them...The cop asked if he could look in the bag and the 2 guys said sure. There was atleast 10 cans in the bag along with some markers and stickers. The cop knew the guys were graffiti vandals but since the cop didnt see them painting he's well like im gonna have to let them go since we didnt actually catch them in the act. He checked there hands for paint and they were clean. Just as he was letting them go this bitch lady ran up to the police officer and said she saw thease boys putting up stickers on a sign. So then there were arrested and went back to the station...


I saw that shit too, one of those fools was "LOG". They were arrested but the charges were soon dropped.

[imported_freeque]

Does anyone know anything about the new laws that have been or are being introduced in the UK?

It is all well and good noting your own experiences, but it is also important to realise that these are LOCATION SPECIFIC.

Just cos you got away skot.3 with paint on your hands and a tin in your pocket doesnt mean that anyone else will.

[Wind]

FUCK THE PIGS!!!!!FUCK THE PIGS!!!!!FUCK THE PIGS!!!!!FUCK THE PIGS!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Dr. Dazzle]

Originally posted by Dr. Dazzle
www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/freedom/police/police.shtml)

Everything you need to know. This is why I said make it a sticky, but noooooooooo..........

See, if more people actually listened to what I have to say, then countless pages in this rediculous thread could have been saved.

Won't someone please thing of the E-Trees??

[Flight_Risk]

I actually wrote this somewhere else but it needs to be here as well..

First of all it IS possible to get a ticket at the scene and be released, depending on where you live..
Soc Security- Give the first 5 numbers of your own ss# and change one of the last four. This makes it easier for you to remember, and also will check out with the location and birth date that you give them. The first five numbers indicate where you were born and when, so give them your real info on that. When that checks out, you'll have more of a chance of them beleiving you.
Name- Try to think up an alias that is close to your own name. For example if your name is Noreaga, tell them Moreaga or something. If you tell them something that sounds similar, but they do decide to take you in for prints, you can escape being charged with obstruction, etc. because it will seem like a typo. I know it sounds stupid, but I have personally have escaped more than once with this type of game...

The key to the alias game is having your whole plan locked ahead of time. You can't be making shit up as you go, or you WILL be exposed, and then you are truly fucked... If your alias and alibi are pretty tight and you stick to your story when they try and trick you, there's not much they can do. If you are racking or bombing or generally being an outlaw, having a tight alias is definantly a must.
peace, and try to have tight game in the first place so that you can avoid this shit in the first place.

peace

[KingJive305]

Originally posted by dice
neary all the popular peace spots in northampton england(my home town) .are next to a river what are the chances, that a copper would follow you into a river and can a dog bite u whilst it is swimming:cool:

no matter what you are smarter then the dogg. but anyways if you think that your going to get away by swimming across the river and your positive there's no cops on the other side. when the doggy comes for ass mister postman drown dat ma'fuka. and dont tell to many people about drowning the dogg. word'll get around and next thing you know you'll be charged for police dogg brutality/manslaughter to the 400 degrees or something.

[KingJive305]

Originally posted by NAUTER
honestly i havent read any of the shit written... i read the first page briefly and a few comeents in between... but here my advice

since i have been bagged... beat the shit out of... painted.. alll by the police... i would advice... first thing.. dont hesitate to run.. if they caught u in the act and u do not run.. ur bagged... resisting arrest is bull shit that just makes things slightly worse...

truth is cops dont have anything against u unless they see u do it.. or catch u with the materials on you.. if u live in a big city ... where police dont care.. like NY or CALI.. then theyll search your bag either way.. it cost alot more to fight the power and almost impossible to prove police serched u illegaly.. they can make up any proboble cause they want..

if you cannn say your 15.. if you look close enough.. (16 or 17) its allot more paper work for them and they wont do it... say you don thave your ID or wutever... dont bomb with ID... cops will give you shit but it dont matter its minor.. good luck

listen to this. he's right if a cop/officer/cock doesnt see you writing/bombing/destroying anything he cant accuse you. trust me on this.

[KingJive305]

Originally posted by TEEHEEHEE
sad to say but so far not getting caught is.... *luck*

luck? yeah right. i use to go bombing almost every night. never got caught. a few times cops have stopped me. but i never got searched or arrested. cops even went to my job looking for me. holler if you are listen to me.

[KingJive305]

Originally posted by Kill Me Now
I saw that shit too, one of those fools was "LOG". They were arrested but the charges were soon dropped.

well i dont know about "COCKS" but i know a writer when i see one i can spot 'em out like white on rice or something.

[TEEHEEHEE]

Originally posted by KingJive305
luck? yeah right. i use to go bombing almost every night. cops even went to my job looking for me. .



nice one

[TEEHEEHEE]

THIS THREAD SAVED ME FROM GETTING JACKED THANKYOU 12OZPROPHET

[KingJive305]

Originally posted by TEEHEEHEE
nice one
what i meant was since they didnt have any evidence they couldnt do anything.teeheehee.

[KingJive305]

Originally posted by KingJive305
what i meant was since they didnt have any evidence they couldnt do anything.teeheehee.
4get it im rambling or something.....

[SIVIK]

Originally posted by KingJive305
no matter what you are smarter then the dogg. but anyways if you think that your going to get away by swimming across the river and your positive there's no cops on the other side. when the doggy comes for ass mister postman drown dat ma'fuka. and dont tell to many people about drowning the dogg. word'll get around and next thing you know you'll be charged for police dogg brutality/manslaughter to the 400 degrees or something.

Haha this brings back memories of one of my mates from interstate hitting steel with few other lads they got chased from a lay-up by uniformed jacks went all the way down 2 like a national park this copper is on his ass so he makes 4 the river balaclaver on shoes the works,anyways the jack yells out dont bother buddy as there was a bridge not 2 far away so they cut him off.The others goy away.I woulda been temped 2 make the fukers get wet but u could imagine the hide'n u'd get 4 that.

[huf2]

some dude on page one said a hellicopter w/heatvision cant see you under a pine tree...first off i know someone who is in the military and knows for a fact because he has used inforead,nightvision,and heat source vision , that a pine tree is not cover... what would be cover would be something that insilates your heat or a "space blanket" which the military issues my friend was hiding in a mock war games from a tank from inforead wich is better than heat source (heat source is really outdated) infored will make you a very spotable white figure in a dark gray enviorment. so hellicopters more than likley use that nowadays. and even with the space blanky it dosent cover your heat compleltley it just makes it look like the signiture of maby a small animal so if the cop in the air dont know that trick your more than likley ok as for getting a blanky i have no fucking clue

so that shit about hiding under a pine tree is complet bull shit it works on heat a pine tree wont hide your heat

[hype wilson]

I GIVE YOU TIPPS ON HOW TO GET AWAY

1 ACT HOMELESS
2 ACT CRAZY
3 PLAY DEAD

[jeff123456]

Originally posted by porque
...despite popular belief on this board, a magnet will not prevent a can from rattleing because they have glass marbles inside. glass has no magnetic properties...if you really want to keep your cans quiet, wrap them in a tee shirt, socks or something like that muffles rattling and keeps them from clanging...

...shakewell...some of your advice is good but remember that some cities pay top dollar to their vandel squad detectives so don't think that it's all just the dumb cops that will catch you...
wtf are u talking about? i use magnets on my cans all the time and the little metal balls always stick to them.. ive never seen a glass ball inside a paint can..

[jeff123456]

Originally posted by NAUTER
act calm and cool ... act nervice... but under no surcumstances say anything to incriminate your self...
they will give u mad shit like we saw you do it already or we already no u did it... THATS bull shit... if they saw they wouldnt askk do not admit anything and dont rat.. say you dont know the kids last name.. or make up a fake name.. if theyll pulling your leg and havent cuffed u or done anything for a while and are still talking then they dont have shit.. you can piss em off as much as you want.. tell the cops your friends name is the same name on his badge... yeah piss them off good moron.. have u ever heard about police brutality.. it happens all the time

[NC]

Originally posted by madbomber
wtf are u talking about? i use magnets on my cans all the time and the little metal balls always stick to them.. ive never seen a glass ball inside a paint can..


Im not sure about anywhere else, but in oz we got some cans that have glass or hard plastic marbles inside... one or two, on cheap cans. Similar to the balls inside posca and few other markers.

["XWAY"]

Originally posted by 87centHitMan
If that was incriminating, there would be no point in in fourth amendment rights at all. Declining a search is in no way incriminating. It is your basic fucking right. They WILL ask you things like, "Well, if there's nothing to hide, there's no reason to not let me search" or "OK fine, i'll just get a canine unit out here" Just keep saying you don't want searched, and mention your fourth amendment right. Never consent to a search, put up a fight until they either go away or search you against your will. If they know that you know what your rights are, they can't walk all over you. If there's no probable cause (pot smoke in the air, rattling cans, warrants, etc.) there is no reason for a search, PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Another thing, too, Always, always wear your gloves. I look at it the same way as wearing condoms. If you don't wanna catch STD's like AIDS or KIDS wrap your shit up! If you don't want to catch charges like criminal mischeif, railroad mischeif, etc. WEAR GLOVES! If there's no paint on your hands, even if you're standing next to a wet piece, you're just an innocent bystander. And don't fuck it up by letting them see your glove on your hand, either. Take it off, hide it, throw it away, something! I've been in this situation before, and escaped cleanly! Even if you hate gloves, If you're hitting up street, wear it! It'll save your ass one of these days! Mad props to 87, you think just like me ?? Do i know you?:lol:

[etc.com]

When getting chase by 5 0 you must dart in all directions, this has saved my ass from getting caught by a narc. Second make sure you throw away the evidence, tose it on a rooftop and last hide, but don't stay in one spot to long.
So like when Foresst Gump was adviced to "RUN FORREST RUN", i say the same "run" but run quick. Remember there are cops that can run too but I rather take the chance of escaping or a good ass wooping.

[Zee_Zee]

dont paint with peakers they just get you caught if the cops come coz they freak out and dunno what to do

[Edgar Cayce]

yeah, I read like the first page, alot of ideas floating around, but none of it seems factual.
The fact of the matter is, if they want to search you they will. The only thing to worry about is, how things will look in coart. Not your parents finding out, not being grounded... yeah that shit seems big when your a teen, but once you get to my age... you see shit differently. Voice your rights, do NOT give consent to them searching anything on your person, whether it be a bag, your pockets, whatever. If you say you do not wish for them to search you, that is on the record (or your word against the cops, depends on the officer/s).
But the thing to remember is, probable cause is a sketchy topic. It can be made to stand up in coart. If your under age, they can say they smelled alchohol on your breath, weed on your clothes, glossy eyes, bloodshot eyes, etc. Things like that can stand up in coart as probable cause for search. Police always have the right to pat you down at any time. Which means, if your cans are in your waistline, and they pat you down, you can be fucked...
Take this from someone who lives in a major city, have 4 felonies in my past since I turned 18, a wrap sheet taller than me from my juvey days, and a case over my head right now which I'm going to coart for... I know about coart, I know about being searched, I know about all this bullshit... I've been thru this bullshit. Just take it from me.
My best word of advice for all yall is PLAN EVERYTHING in advance... pick spots, do bigger things than just taggin the streets, thats cool.. but planned big shit is 100x better. Just know you take a big risk when bombing (and I mean bombing, not just tagging.)

[effyoo]

coart

[DEAK MAS]

Originally posted by porque
refuseing to allow them to search you in no way incriminates you...simply ask to see the search warrant...when they can't produce one tell them you see no reason why you are being detained and walk away...most of the time if they push things further THEY are the ones breakig the law and anything that happens will be counted as inadmisable in court which means you're scott free...
Another important thing to remember is that it is not against the law to carry paint around...it is only against the law to use that paint illegally...so unless they SEE you doing something you're usually ok.

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT FROM CHICAGO WHERE IT IS ILLEGAL TO CARRY PAINT!!!! IN FACT SPRAYPAINT IS BANNED FROM ANY AND ALL STORES IN THE CHICAGO CITY LIMITS!!! THANX DALEY! ALSO WE GET FELONY CHARGES EVEN FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE!!!! ONLY THE MOST HARDCORE CLAIM KINGHOOD IN CHITOWN THE BUFF CITY.

[bran the don]

To the person who said tell the truth and recited the honesty is the best policy spiel, I hate to see what happens to you after you do that a few more times... you got real lucky buddy.

Like someone already said, just think of what would be used in court. Most of the time police are relying on confessions for graffiti or pleas. Not many DA's want to waste their resources on prosecuting writers when there's not any solid evidence. Unless you're caughtt IN THE ACT or confess, you are 99.99% of the time good. Even if someone you paint with confesses, remember they'd have to testify in court if it came to that... and chances are it won't.

I was caught once leaving the scene after painting. It was like 3 AM and we had just painted all along a train line. I parked in this small manufacturing building down a deserted street and right when I was leaving a cop drove down. As soon as I saw him I told my homie to say we were painting in his bedroom (we had paint on our hands), and now we were just riding around. Obviously it's not a believable story, but I knew if we stuck with the same thing- no matter how bullshit it seemed, we'd get off. I took out my digi cam that I had in my pocket, deleted all the pictures I had on it. The cop followed me and eventually pulled me over up the street, asked if I had spray paint in the car, I said yes. He asked me to step out, asked the standard questions, etc, etc. I didn't resist the search. I knew I had cans, markers, stickers, etc on me, but like it's already been said- none of that is illegal (not here at least). More cops came and busted our balls for over an hour, trying to get us to confess, doing all the typical "he ratted you out! You're going to jail tonight!" spiels and eventually just had to let us go because neither of us flipped. They did however confiscate all of our graffiti like material for an "investigation", but for some unknown reason I went to the police station the next day and picked it all up... :cool:

The last time I got chased we ran and hid. There had to be at least 10 cop cars surrounding us, shining their lights all over, looking for movement. Driving off mad loud while other cars would stay, trying to get someone to leave. We all just hid from like 2:30 am to 6 and then left the scene with our hoods up tight, making it look like we were joggers. Just be slick...

The moral of the story is... don't ever confess. Paint with people you know will hold up under pressure. Get your stories straight ahead of time, and no matter what, always stick to it. Don't ever let yourself get caught in the act, and if by the chance you do... run your ass off cuz either way you're fucked.

[KALZ]

Originally posted by tdoter
wow, i havent been caught because i look out for myself, when i go bombing i dont dress in suspicious clothes, dont carry a bag with graffiti on it, (duh) and i dont carry stickers or my black book, als o common knowledge, cuz once u get chased an du ditch ure cans, they may apprehend u but cant charge u with anything

ok...wot type of clothes are non suspicious?? i wear sum tracky daks, hoody jumper and white shoes wen i go out..and a graff clean bag (except 4 the paint in there).....is this attire suspicios..if so..wot should u wear???

peace out :idea: :cool: :confused:

[Requiem BET]

I didn't bother to read everything, i just wanna kinda bring something up. The first page was about amendement rights and things you can do to get out of trouble. At least where I am, if you pulled that. . you'd be cracked in the face with a billy club. For example, an acquaintance had a can of paint on him and was walking with a friend in the southern area of town. A cop came up to him, asked him what it was for and he answered honestly, "making something at home."
The cop boxed his ears, (put one hand over one ear, and slammed the other.) Then the cop took his paint and painted all over his face and hoody. All that search and seizure stuff should be, but that's idealist. MOST cops are assholes and with stuff like, "homeland security" which in and of itself denies your amendment rights, how can you think telling a policeman (or woman) to respect your privacy would work?

please respond.

[PedroHammers]

i agree one hundred percent with the above post. most cops are assholes. i got pulled with a friend of mine while walking down the street. the cops thought we were breaking into cars taking car radios. we had cans, they searched us, found the cans, and forgot all about the car radios, threw us into the squad cars and threatened to bring us in for having paint.
the point. cops dont give a shit about my rights or your rights, and neither will the courts. they will pin anything they can on you.

[Grafdisciple]

Originally posted by nickonium9
The question is, though, if not allowing them to search your bag incriminates yourself and gives them probable cause.

No.

[snuffy]

im gettin confused

[snuffy]

all depends on where u are. told a cop no in Texas once n he turned me upsidedown.

[skillz]

how much riskier is it to go bombing on weekends ?
how many more pigs are out on weekends too?
:o

[imported_ILLMATIC]

Originally posted by skillz
how much riskier is it to go bombing on weekends ?
how many more pigs are out on weekends too?
:o

Obviously a rookie, well anyway thats allright you have much to learn, as we all do. Just stay out bombing on weekdays 1:30am - dawn. This will prove a little bit safer.

[sfx2]

The cop followed me and eventually pulled me over up the street, asked if I had spray paint in the car, I said yes. He asked me to step out, asked the standard questions, etc, etc. I didn't resist the search. I knew I had cans, markers, stickers, etc on me, but like it's already been said- none of that is illegal (not here at least). More cops came and busted our balls for over an hour, trying to get us to confess, doing all the typical "he ratted you out! You're going to jail tonight!" spiels and eventually just had to let us go because neither of us flipped. They did however confiscate all of our graffiti like material for an "investigation", but for some unknown reason I went to the police station the next day and picked it all up...

omg... A friend of mine was caught one time and the cops just took him to the station without any reason, they put him under pressure there claiming they could lock him up for pre-investigation or some shit for a week max untill he would confess and he flipped -_-' They can't actually take you away without a reason can they? I mean... I dont think these basic laws are much different between countries right? (im from the netherlands/holland)

[Nutonce]

fuck all this telling stories bullshit..who cares..ive never been caught but if i keep doing it its going to happen, just like the rest of you. the key is just take the charge, dont snitch..i dress however, just get your rep and be out, no lingering around trying to murder a spot.

[sfx2]

is it safer to go with a crew and get some guys on the watch? Or should that be standard procedure?

[KALZ]

Originally posted by sfx2
is it safer to go with a crew and get some guys on the watch? Or should that be standard procedure?

i only usually go out with someone else...it seems safer to have someone to look out for u and who will not dog on ya if u get caught..personally iv never been caught but i wanna know how other ppl make it all look none suspicious :confused: :confused: :idea: :cool:

[PrimalFear]

Some excellent posts in this thread.

Some points:

1. You have rights. Use them as much as you can. Know them. Police officers are trained to exploit them; you must counterbalance this by knowing exactly what you can and cannot do. Relying on hearsay from friends isn't good enough. Get to know the law and its loopholes.

2. Don't expect the police to give you these rights. Many will by-pass them completely, with threats of violence and prison. Whilst this is illegal, there isn't much you can do at the time. Just remember that nothing will stand up in court. Keep your cool, and don't budge an inch. It'll pay off.

3. Get proper legal advice before doing anything, if you are "caught." Don't compromise with a "deal." Don't be forthcoming. It might make you look like an honest citizen, but it usually doesn't work. Say as little as possible. Act dumb.

4. Don't be stupid. Common sense applies when out writing. Scope out spots before you go to write there. Blend in, be careful with paint and evidence. Have an escape route and a back-up excuse for why you have 18 tins of paint in your rucksack, and keep your house free of anything incriminating.

[grifter]

Knowing the laws in your area is the best you can do... I'm in Washington State and our search and seizure laws change almost monthly...

There's TONS of places you can look to find updated laws regarding things, but this will take work on your part. The best thing you can do is obviously not get caught. But if (or more likely, when) you do, you need to know some simple things:

1. You don't need to say anything
2. You don't need to agree to anything
3. If you hear the words "you're under arrest" remember that you STILL don't need to say or agree to anything except to request counsel.

There's too many folks willing to "help" by telling you what to do or say... but the laws in one area aren't the same in another (Washington State, for example, offers more protective rights to its citizens against searches and seizures than the Constitution does!).

Just like finding spots to get up, just like cultivating your craft, just like knowing your game... you have to work at knowing where you stand legally.

[AreaKGB]

one of the tricks used to get you to confess is that you'll only get a fine or something like that. truth is that the police have no control of your punishment, their job end when they send the charges to the DA. The DA doesn't even have to prosecute you (most of the time they will unless there is police fucking with your rights, or no evidence) the DA and the Judge and/or jury decide what your punishment is.

to look up your right nd laws in your state go to www.findlaw.com (http://www.findlaw.com)


AGENT N.E.R.D OF THE K.G.B.

[imported_scratcheater]

you caught mind as well get some ups in jail :]

[Don Tahn]

in some situations just admitting to shit is the best thing to do (as long is its not fucking over anyone eles) but i know where im from if you admit to somthing ...you get a ticket....if they find out later that you did somthing then you go to court...
this happend to me last night i was walking to a spot at like 2 am and got picked up by 3 cops....they just wrote down what paint i had and were like i we see any new graffiti in these colors your the first one were calling...and that was it. i just walked away haha

[AreaKGB]

admitting to it in some cases is ok, if your screwed you can admit to lesser things and hope thats all they'll know about. but in general if they need your confession you can most likely get off with dening it.

[imported_Clay-Burner]

Originally posted by porque
...it may be illegal to buy paint if you're under 18, (it's not where i am, but state laws vary), but it probably isn't illegal to posses it...

like cigarettes

[Don Tahn]

Originally posted by Clay-Burner
like cigarettes
not where im from.
if you have anything permanent they can actually fine you and your parents for having it this includes anything from etch bath to sharpies...
this act was just passed a few weeks ago its getting alot of critisism but hopefully theyll revoke it....
i dunno what the hell bottom line is done be a dumbass and you should be ok

[SMERK.BAinc]

A few things I want to specify.... Laws are different around the world,
even from state 2 state... In QLD. AUSTRALIA, It is illegal to carry a "grafitti implement" Paint, markers, whatever!!! The best advice I can give is if you are caught red handed.."say NOTHING", leave that to a solicitor.. I have freinds whom have done jail time for admitting there tag and have been charged with thousands of offences.., If you get pinched writting your tag, tell your SOLICITOR to say its not your tag, your just a toy who bit it!!! ha ha cant b fucked writting any more..

P.S. WEAR YOUR AIRMAX, laces up tight.. peace

[KALZ]

Originally posted by SMERK.BAinc
A few things I want to specify.... Laws are different around the world,
even from state 2 state... In QLD. AUSTRALIA, It is illegal to carry a "grafitti implement" Paint, markers, whatever!!! The best advice I can give is if you are caught red handed.."say NOTHING", leave that to a solicitor.. I have freinds whom have done jail time for admitting there tag and have been charged with thousands of offences.., If you get pinched writting your tag, tell your SOLICITOR to say its not your tag, your just a toy who bit it!!! ha ha cant b fucked writting any more..

P.S. WEAR YOUR AIRMAX, laces up tight.. peace

do u know if its illegal to carry paint markers etc in NSW AUSTRALIA??????

[SMERK.BAinc]

Originally posted by KALZ
do u know if its illegal to carry paint markers etc in NSW AUSTRALIA??????
Im not sure of the law regarding Graf implements in N.S.W...sorry!!!

[KALZ]

Originally posted by SMERK.BAinc
Im not sure of the law regarding Graf implements in N.S.W...sorry!!!
would u know any websites regarding nsw laws?

[SMERK.BAinc]

Na, I dont know where 2 find out, I guess you could have a look around
on the net??? Or someone else might be kind enough to post N.S.W laws 4 u...

[Garish]

No matter what they say, only agree to what you KNOW they saw you doing. Also, if you live in the U.S., know your rights. One time my friend did everything he could, and they searched his bag, but first, he was made to stand with his hands on his head while they patted him down. because the five-o didn't have enough probable cause, he got off, and the two officers lost their jobs.lol. it serves them fucking right. they're the ones to break the laws..."Uphold justice my ass".

[el_why_en_E]

Originally posted by DEAK MAS
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT FROM CHICAGO WHERE IT IS ILLEGAL TO CARRY PAINT!!!! IN FACT SPRAYPAINT IS BANNED FROM ANY AND ALL STORES IN THE CHICAGO CITY LIMITS!!! THANX DALEY! ALSO WE GET FELONY CHARGES EVEN FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE!!!! ONLY THE MOST HARDCORE CLAIM KINGHOOD IN CHITOWN THE BUFF CITY.

SO FUCKING TRUE CHICAGO IS THE BUFF CAPITAL YESTERDAY IT WAS ABOUT 11 AND IM WALKING OVER A BRIDGE ON A MAIN STREET AND ON THE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE THERE WERE 2 SQUADS CHECKING OUT A CAR SO WE WERE HITTIN TRAIN AND WERE LEAVING AND WE SAW THEM DOWN THE STREET SO WE WALKED UP THE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE FROM THE YARDS AND WERE WALKIN DOWN THE BRIDGE ONCE WE GET UP AND I GOT A CIGARETTE IN MY HAND AND I SEE THESE COPS FLASHING SPOT LIGHTS ON US SO WHEN WERE AT THE INTERSECTION THESE COPS ARE LIKE GET OVER HERE SO I TOSSED MY STREAKS BECAUSE I KNOW THEY CAN PAT ME DOWN BUT THE FIRST THING THEY DID WAS THREW MY BAG ON THE GROUNDAND OPEN IT UP AND I WAS LIKE ISNT IT AGAINST THE 4TH AMENDMENT TO SEARCH WITH OUT PROBABLE CAUSE AND THEY WERE LIKE YEAH IT IS DO U HAVE A FUCKING PROBLEM WITH IT THERES FOUR PEOPLE HERE 2 COPS AND TWO TEENS WE CAN DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK WE WANT AND NO ONE IS GONNA STOP US WE SAW U IN PRIVITE PROPERTY SO I CALL MY POPS AND TELL HIM WHATS HAPPINING AND THE COP GRABS MY CELL AND HES LIKE YEAH IS THIS THE FATHER OF SO AND SO SINCE IM 17 IM STILL A MINOR SO MY DAD TELLS THEM HE DONT CARE IF I HAVE THE PAINT WITH ME AND THEY THREW MY SHIT AT ME AND SAID GET OUT OF HIS FACE ...........
GOES TO SHOW YOU CHICAGO COPO'S DONT GIVE A FUCK:mad2:

[iNCoMpLeTe]

things u shud no cause im 2 lazy 2 type them (http://www.outwar.com/page.php?x=1322468)

[phirewall]

I was coming back from DC not long ago when the bus stopped and plain clothes cops came onboard to do "random" searches. I was high as all hell and I had 4 cans on me, a couple streaks, some caps, a sack and a pipe (more than enough to get my ass locked up). When they came to me they asked me if they could look in my bag...
I said no, and of course his automatic reply was "Why? What do you have to hide?" I just told him I was aware of my rights, and although I didn't have anything to hide I had a right to privacy and didn't feel comfortable letting someone I didn't know look through my things.
He tried to scare me by saying he would bring in the K9 unit to check me. I just said, "I don't do drugs... don't even smoke!"
Most cops aren't stupid... but as long as you're not an ass to them they're probably not going to break the law to nail your ass for something petty like graff or pot.

[Edit=Aok]

im new to graff and i havent hit the streets yet, ive been practicing in my back yard on a board but i want to go bombing , ive found a few really good spots but i want to plan it all out first...
the local writer I talked to said , wear gloves, be quiet, and mostly just use common sense.. hes never been caught.
my legal curfew is 1 am so if i go at 12 i have and hour to legaly be on the streets so my only problem i s if i get stopped and searched its not illegal to have paint so should i just say its from a project at a friends house or whut? the other advice will help alot thanx.. :)
im in utah i know someone else on here is two does anyone know any thing about local laws or cops?

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by Edit=Aok
im new to graff and i havent hit the streets yet, ive been practicing in my back yard on a board but i want to go bombing , ive found a few really good spots but i want to plan it all out first...
the local writer I talked to said , wear gloves, be quiet, and mostly just use common sense.. hes never been caught.
my legal curfew is 1 am so if i go at 12 i have and hour to legaly be on the streets so my only problem i s if i get stopped and searched its not illegal to have paint so should i just say its from a project at a friends house or whut? the other advice will help alot thanx.. :)
im in utah i know someone else on here is two does anyone know any thing about local laws or cops?

be smart, be fast, be quiet. it's best to go out with atleast one other person, so they can watch your back. it's best to stash your cans at a spot ahead of time and than come by to get them while out. if you have to run/hide, make sure to also ditch your cans somewhere, and pick them up later. hopefully you shouldn't have any trouble.

[NOUM]

Originally posted by snuffy
all depends on where u are.

[shake em off]

all i got 2 say is run like hell and hide ur paint....and hopefully the cop that is after u is really fat.

[fuel]

ETC...I HEAR THAT.

DEAK, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVENT BEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH, IT IS ILLEGAL TO SELL SPRAY PAINT WITHIN CHICAGO LIMITS;YES, CHICAGO IS THE FUCKING KING CITY FOR THE BUFF;YES, THEY WILL SLAP YOU WITH A FELONY CHARGE FOR A FUCKING SHARPIE TAG; AND YES, CHI-TOWN COPS ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO DONT FOLLOW THE LAW, BUT IT SOES HELP TO KNOW YOUR RIGHTS....OF COURSE, IF YOUR ONE OF THOSE COCK HEADS THAT ACTS HARD W 5-ILLA, THEY WILL FUCK U UP EVEN MORE.....

HERE'S MY STORY, MY BOY AND ME DID SOME FILL-INS ON THE STREETS, I FINISHED AND WAS WAITING FOR HIS TO FINISH......HE FINISHED AND GAVE ME HIS PAINT, NEXT THING YOU KNOW COPS RACE DOWN THE ALLEY AND BUST MY ASS.....I HAD FOUR CANS IN MY HANDS AND A SHIT OF PAINT ON MY COAT.....

THEY ASKED WHAT I WROTE, I SAID "PIG",OHHHHH SHIT THERE WAS AN ASS WIPING WAITING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT DIDNT. THEY CUFFED US AND CONFIRMED WE WOULD BE LOCKED UP IF THEY SAW ANY TAGS ON THE STREETS......I JUST HAPPENED TO DO A LOT OF TAGS.....BUT THEY DIDNT READ PIG......THEY LET US GO....LYING DOES HELP......OF COURSE THERE WAS MORE BUT I WROTE TOO MUCH ALREADY.....

[missmalice]

read something a little while ago about satelites being developed that are programmed to "hear" extremely high frequency pitches coming from street level...aka the air escaping from your spray can. the information is then sent to offices where the occurances are analyzed for volume, frequency, and specific patterns. those specific spots are then targeted by various enforcement. only place i remember them mentioning was the Southern California/LA area...

its beyond me how efficiently a system like this would work, or even how accurate the report was...

best way to prevent getting in trouble...turn into a girl

[KALZ]

does any one have any trouble with randoms who ask wat ur doing out???

also... round my area...cabs look almost the same as cop cars..so u get a bit tense wen they drive by....any one had any probs with cabbies getting out and sussin ya out??

im not scared of em..but its fairly annoying:eek:

[wyze]

ok, so i was doing a quick throw and a car drove by so i put the can in my pants and walked away calmly. the car left so i went back (but looking back i think the car saw me). I was at the mouth of an alley, and i went out to check to see if more cars were comming before finishing and just then a cop car rolled up and parked so i once again started walking calmly. I am in all dark blue, and there is fresh paint on the wall of the alley i just walked out of. The cop gets out and im thinkin "im screwed," but then i got an idea. he hadnt seen me doing anything, i was just on the scene (i think the car maybe called in or something). So, i walked up the cop and asked him for directions. No sain graff writter would ever approach a cop with paint on him, so i did, and he figured i must not have been the guy, so he told me how to get where i wanted to go, and off i went. that one made me break a bit of a sweat though....so close. hope this helps someone else out.

[anvillan]

i recently got stopped by the police, the reason, out past curfew, i have no idea how to defend myself when they start spitting out police jibber jaber about the curfew thing,i try everytime with the,"oh im just walking home from a friends house" but thats all i ever have to say..are there any rights that say i can just walk home or something?also, the cop was a female, i didnt think female cops could search guys and vica versa.is there any truth to this? anyways she decides to search me because "shes not putting me in her car without a search", at this point i just go along with it cuz shes got the ima cop ego thing goin. she finds my pipe and nice new silver mop.as she starts to cuff me i decide to run..run.. and run some more.. i hide for a hour and a half or so then casually "jog" home. what rights has she violated? any? sorry if this story was unecassary and if the questions have been asked.

[ODS-1]

It may have been unlawful search or seizure. But I don't think it matters now with the patriot act.

[wunka chunka]

ok first of all if anyone in here is under 18 in the U.S. and is caught passed 12 a.m or even around that time .... yur pretty much fucked even if u dont get in trouble by cops.... but surely ur parents will get involved if they let you go .... just wanted to say that.... so if ur under 18 and get caught u might get loose by police but ur parents are gonna get involved

[wunka chunka]

:confused: ...... hey guys im new to this graff thing and i know this thread is not about waht im about to say but this is the only one with a recent reply so .... can anyone tell me what a hollow is.... or a throw up.... or a fill in, and whats a production, and the difference between bombs,throw ups , peices and what are all the syles and stuff.... and also can someone tell me about the caps... like explain about caps and which ones to use, and not to use.... thank u so much i appreciate it :crazy: :D

[decay.absk]

first, i tripped when i read about the 2 kids on COPS because i was in a group home with one of LOGs bombing partners.
second, i was in the group home because i got caught bombing
third, i got caught bombing because my dumbass did it in the daytime.
pointless to tell, but "dont get caught" was what im implying. i heard that if you spin your can around instead of shaking it, it will not make noise and still mix the paint but ive never tried.

anyway, the main point of this post is as follows....
i got caught for graf when i was 13. i got probation and my licsence suspended for a year. i then got caught when i was 14. my license was taken for 2 more years, and i had like, 2 months in juvenille hall, 30 days of community service (pulling weeds and shit on the side of the highway) 12 hours of some counseling shit, and a $3000 fine. my dumbass couldnt resist getting caught again, so about 6 months later, i got sent to a group home for 2 years, all for graf.

unless you want some shit like that happen to you, dont get caught! run like a mother fucker to the nearest water and go under, like on shwashank redemption. stop writing all over your binder at school and textbooks. the supervisors at school keep a GOOD eye on all that shit, especially in california, where im from, and they talk to the police all the time about whos writing what, and who they know and shit like that.

if youre getting barked at by dogs when walking through alleys, just feed them some meat or chocolate or spray them with pepper spray through the fence or something.
if youre in a train yard, and the workers are looking for you get the fuck out of there. no one gives a shit if theres an unfinished piece.
have your bombing route mapped out!!!! in your head of course.......


big up to phaelz and delr

[NEA]

booking is a shitty place.
always run.

[Edit=Aok]

ok if im out after midnitght and i get caught im probablly skrewed but if i can get out of that and they find out i have a can wut should i tell them if they ask what its for (when they obviously already know)? what do you usually say?

ps sorry for the toyish question i havent gone painting before and i prolly will this week...