New Outline ....

[cheps]

Here is a more complex outline I did the other day. No color since most of you are shitting on my fills. Ill add color later, but for now, here is the outline.

[img]http://cheps.homestead.com/files/ChepsJaggedOutline.jpg'>

Drop some suggestions as usual. :huh?:

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[THEdude]

[ X ]

[cheps]

^Look again. :eek:

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[THEdude]

It's all about letter structure cheps.

for real work on simples. once you get the letter structure, you can start messing with pieces.

[cheps]

I dont think it looks too bad, but yea, i see your point. :lol:

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[JoeHatesCops]

work on your handstyle cause tis wack
your S looks like an E the style doesnt work, practice practice practice

[ozeriesER]

go back to more simple styles

your letters are out of proportion and your 3D is wrong, all the lines must go in the same direction, unless youre doing the curved look, which you arent
Make it more fluent, stop and look at various points while drawing and concentrate on keeping the letters very roughly the same size

Try and make your handstyle flow rather than doing each letter separately

[DOLR....LED]

whooza!!! horrible ill say what everyone else is saying to you work on simples...give it time dont bediscouraged every one has to start somewhere...but not on pieces

[MrMajicMarkker]

just know that you are not that good, i see you giving advice in other threads...work on your hand, its just fucking gross

[tears*uno]

Originally posted by ThirdDegreeBurna
just know that you are not that good, i see you giving advice in other threads...work on your hand, its just fucking gross

exactly..

that sucks horribly man...keep it way way way wayway way way simple, because that shit is ugly... and dont start a new fuckin thread everytime you doodle something on a paper; put it in your old one or something

[BdMiK]

as everyone else already said, work on more simple styles. And your 3D is way off. Peace

[test pattern]

Loose the jagged spikey stuff.




Smoothness is key.

[cheps]

Well, some of you were tellin me to do a more complex one, so I did and threw it down, I know it isnt great.

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[DorkstaR]

same as last time.....you are wrapping the bottom of the "s" around the "p" just to cover up that empty spot. it swings backward too much....also...try not to go for a wildstyle technique(arrows and blocks going everywhere) and focus on keeping it readable....kinda hard to tell whats what when there are letters of diff. sizes and things running everywhich way from the letters.

[NoEZ]

i dont remember anyone saying anything about you going complex....what i remmeber is them saying to keep doing simples and when you get it down move onto more complex shit......your gonna need to do simples for a long time i can kinda tell.....it might sound boring but would you rather get ebtter faster by starting simple....or trying to go all complex and never learning the basics...i made that mistake and then i tryed simples and it worked for me ......your 3d is way off......i dont know how 3d is hard....its the easiest thing in a piece..well i think.....just do straight down 3d until you get......every line...straight down........

and i figured a way to get somewhat of a letter form is......think about how many bars there are in each letter....now just draw those bars in the letter for a while.....dont add anything axtra until you can do em straight as hell ok......or just ignore what i said and do what you want.....im out...bye

[DorkstaR]

it is however an improvement on your last one tho:p :P :P

[~DeNtOnE~]

yo it is better but you still need to work? how long you been in the game? let me guess 6 months or so,, just keep working..

[meone]

definitely do wut everyone else is saying and do research look for shit on the internet to see wut is going down all over. the more you look at and alter other peoples styles on your own the better you will get. that helps me a lot. email me and i'll give enough sites to keep you looking for months.

[Andy Capp]

the 3d got choked

[space]

definitely simplify, then start to modify. you gotta take it step by step.

[Destruction by Definition]

i remember those days man...just practice alot...look at other writers work also, (dont bite it) just take notice of their letter structure and style. try other styles out and soon enough you will fall into a style that you will be able to call your own...just be patient with it...peace

[..oX..]

a big problem with the letter structure is the angles are going all over the place, they're not consistent, so the lines are just random, all over the map... so yeah work on that... and the 3d... all the lines of the 3d should be going the same direction...

keep working on it, you're improving a little.

[TEE_rase_war]

"he gets outa the car and takes out his gun, he pointed it at my head my legs started to jiggle so i decided to run"


like your sketch

dont go for gusto when you have nothing

[cheps]

Thanks for all the feedback people for real. Yea, back to basics I go. I got a writer helpin me out with it, so hopefully things will pick up soon.

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[melt]

good luck.

[•nakone•]

straight letters :cool: :cool:

[big PERM]

if that sketch was a smell it would be nut sweat mixed with shit, i liked your other sketches better (if at all) , i say change your name , and copy the letters off cerial boxes, im not joking either that would be a huge step up, your trying to do some crazy steez but before you do you need to be good.

oh and cheps i just noticed you posted this on my thread: "
Your "r" in the 4th sketch looks like an "a". Work on your letters a bit more rather than your backgrounds. Keep at it though."
[img]http://a6.cpimg.com/image/CC/9B/10710476-f965-0200017B-.jpg'>
i think its safe to say that this sketch crushes the fuck out of youand its not even that good.

might i ask why the fuck your giving me advice when your sketches look like an ape on pcp picked up a marker with its anus and proceeded to draw the gayest thing ever, eat a dick you little cunt.

fuck you

[big PERM]

not to mention your handstyle is gay too

[tears*uno]

^ hahahahahahha.... i hate it when people who suck ballsweat give you advice

[cheps]

Nah, I think I can criticize if I want to. The only reason im on this site is to get help with my sketches, not to prove anything to anyone. I dont live to impress people on the net. Im sure that is the same reason why you post your ish up, so dont take so much offense. You can disregard my critique if you want, i dont care, im just puttin my 2 cents down. :rolleyes:

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[TEE_rase_war]

"bitch please"....

just becasue you can spell dont mean you can understand and critique what is really going on


transparencies..

[porque]

...do you understand what letter structure means?...listen to everyone's advice and do a simple...

[~DeNtOnE~]

hide that scetch in a box dont look at it for1 year when yo keep graffing and look back it and you will begian to know why every one is puting down so much.. and how can you say that r looks like an a? hahaha i hate when people that are new dont know shit.. like this one mother fucker looked in my black book and was like man you such you need to make it were people cant read it back were im from...... ahhhhh pisses me off!;):heated: :heated:

[?uestZion]

it sucks.....

[cheps]

I think its funny how most of you think you have such an edge over most people on this site. :lol: Yea, I respect most of you since you been in the game for such a long time, but why are you on this site if all your going to do is act all high and mighty rather than helpin people out with their work?

But yea, im gettin some help with a writer and showin some progress, going back to semi-simples, also working with throw ups, and other different styles.

Yea, ill lock this sketch away in a dark corner. I see whut is wrong with it, and now that I look over it, it is pretty sloppy eh? :lol: Oh well, fresh start .....

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[big PERM]

damn fool you just dont get it, i dont even feel like i have an "edge" and i havnt been around that long, but long enough to know that you dont try to school people who are better. i give more helpful feedback on here than alot of people but you kept posting shit that progressivly got worse even after all the helpful feedback these other people gave you, just chill out and copy cerial box letters with a ruler, keep it simple. but im sure youd be slightly offended if i was telling you that your letters looked wack and i posted this:
[img]http://www.dfected.net/12oz/toyshit.jpg'>
the point is that sketch is even worse then yours and i had to try hard to draw it but i know youd be annoyed if you saw this shit sketch and didnt think that it was a joke, and i tried to school you, so dont try and act like you know whats up.
"I think its funny how most of you think you have such an edge over most people on this site."
you can laugh all you want but in the end you still suck.

[zen]

hahahah!

[imported_FROSTY]

K man you have a long way to go. your stuff looks like toyish bullshit cheps. but no im not here to just insult you but to help you cauz my guess is in 3 years or so youll be known across canada or soemthing. maybe not buy newayz.

I went through what your going through right now. Infact i think everyone did.

think of it this way,

If you were to build a building on a wet swampy marsh it would most likely colapse and look like shit.

but if you build your building on smooth flat concrete it will stand up and look good.

ahh fuk im a wacko but you get my point i hope. If you wanna make your graffiti outrageously funkarific then you gotta start off on a fresh slab of concrete. what i mean by the concrete is the letters in their original form. take an E for example. odviously it looks fine how it is so dont fuk with its structure. rather than that think about how you can change parts of the structure. OH and whatever you do stay away from arrows at the beginning. they only look good when they belong, besides i think there a little played out anyways.

anywho do try and use this advice cauz i was kind enuff to not diss up your load of shit sketch. oops sorry.
but dont worry we were all there once

[--zeSto--]

good looking out frost!

Imagine if we had a rating system for "the right to critique"
That would be so useless. I know that some people have no right
to talk about some others, based simple on skill level,
but all advice is usefull. It's just how you choose to use it.

[tears*uno]

cheps you dont deserve advice homeboy...please jus stop graffiti now because you are wasting your time, and im not trying to b "high and mighty... but you posted this in another thread...


^Damn thats classic, lol. I personally aint a "nigga" but I have been in this for almost 3 years now, still developing.

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.....3 years? i mean comeon man i haven't even been graffing for a year.
i would just find a brand new hobby if i were you, because graffiti isnt working out...

[MrMajicMarkker]

Zesto....i disagree. i think that to criticize other people's work, that you yourself should have some experience. this kid encompasses everything that makes a person a "toy".

[cheps]

Nah, I think ill stick with it, thanks for your caring advice though. :rolleyes: I never had the basics and direction the first couple of years, I was just throwing down useless shit like the sketch I just did throw down. Im working on it and getting help with it. So no, I dont think imma quit with this, sorry to disappoint you. :rolleyes:

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[cheps]

Originally posted by ThirdDegreeBurna
this kid encompasses everything that makes a person a "toy".

Yea, thats me. :rolleyes: Everyone was once in the position I was in. If you want to give advice and suggestions, then just stay outta the thread. :rolleyes:

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[•nakone•]

cheps.. i rember exatly being like you... posting stupid stuff.. and then when someone diss's u you get all heated... no point.. just listen.. and dont try to critize some ones work that is better then yours... simple, thats all the is too it...

nak-

[sect one]

Originally posted by cheps
Nah, I think I can criticize if I want to. The only reason im on this site is to get help with my sketches, not to prove anything to anyone. I dont live to impress people on the net. Im sure that is the same reason why you post your ish up, so dont take so much offense. You can disregard my critique if you want, i dont care, im just puttin my 2 cents down. :rolleyes:

-A
how can you critcize someone about something you can't even do right......

[THEdude]

Originally posted by •nakone•
cheps.. i rember exatly being like you... posting stupid stuff.. and then when someone diss's u you get all heated... no point.. just listen.. and dont try to critize some ones work that is better then yours... simple, thats all the is too it...

nak-


exactly

[TEE_rase_war]

i am an asshole, and i disagree with zesto..normally after someone who has been writing for 3 years, that lacks advice and all those other variables that could help one progress, still sucks, then they should rethink their strategy for the game. But after going out with this girl that i thought i loved, and quiting graffiti for 2 months and not even knowing, time seems to be something that you fail to notice and have slip by more quikly..........wat im saying is, cheps you suck, but in an understanding way.....if i was you i would have never mentioned the fact that i have been writing for 3 years...it honestly looks as if you have been writing for a handfull of months...and you come on here, obviously looking to get hosed by myself, and a bunch of others, and you take it and learn, welll thats cool...


fuck what was i talking about again....

cheps keep that shit simple/ you will get nowhere because you have no vehicle to get you places...it sucks shit right now ....flat tires

[cheps]

[img]http://cheps.homestead.com/files/ChepsThrowie.jpg'>
Here is a throwie I have been workin on a lil bit ....

[img]http://cheps.homestead.com/files/ChepsSpiral.jpg'>
Here is a basic ....

[img]http://cheps.homestead.com/files/Cheps45.jpg'>
Here is a bit of a better basic

Drop some advice and suggestions. Am I gettin any better at this?

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[imported_FROSTY]

k they all blow goats,

but i see an improvement on the last one. change the s though.

[big PERM]

these are better than your older stuff but they are by no means aesthetically pleasing you need some serious work, make a new hand style,how do you fuck on the 3d so bad? you have 3d on both sides of that E and and the top of the H for christsake, 3D GOES ONE DIRECTION! CHOOSE A DIRECTION AND LENGTH AND mAKE IT THE SAME ALL THE WAY THROUGH! THE TOP OF THE P ON THE PURPLE ONE IS FUCKED UP, MAKE THAT PART THAT CONTINUES FROM THE FRONT OF THE P (THE RIGHT SIDE) THE SAMe SIZE AND IT GOES THROUGH THE VERTICAL BAR OF THE P!!!!!
you arent taking any of this advice except to keep it simple, its possible to make gay simple letters so fix your letters and your 3D and your hand style, and your fucking fills, infact dont fill them at all and dont add 3d until you can make decent letters!
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck!!!!!
i NEED to smoke a blunt, im sorry if im acting like a dick and for my behavior earlier in this thread but, just take the fucking advice. infact i think you should copy everything off the summerschool training bible, it has fool proof techniques on making decent letters. work work work!!!! its summer there isnt shit else to do!

[cheps]

Well aight, that is some of the best advice I have gotten from cats on this site. Ill check that thread out.

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[~DeNtOnE~]

chill out you go simple you say then you try to do crazy colors like the 1st one... no one i ever see uses strips.. not because it cant be done.. it just distorts your letters.. the purple one well i say get some markers ..dont make your p blocky if the rest arent and fater s... last one i kinda dig? i dont know whyfix the center line of the s... cant see your 3d hides it.. well dose this help???????? ones~:dazed:

[space]

i'm gonna bump this cuz i enjoyed the drama that was experienced on this thread... definitely better than watching tv.

[acke]

i thought my sketches sucked, damn i was wrong :P

[tears*uno]

change you name to chep....because your s's are just ridiculously gay...

[cheps]

[img]http://cheps.homestead.com/files/ChepsNew.jpg'>

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[SmeechLizard]

Originally posted by cheps
[img]http://cheps.homestead.com/files/ChepsNew.jpg'>

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Really bro, just give it a rest. You stepped out of line and got your card pulled. Naw, fuck that, you got your card pulled, ripped into pieces, set on fire, pissed on, and ground into a fine powder. How the FUCK are you gonna try to criticize perm with shit like this. I normally try to avoid getting negative on here (theres way too much shit talking already) but you really brought it on yourself this time. Its really very simple, don't talk down to people who could take your best sketch ever out with a 5 secont toss up doodle. :heated:

[cheps]

Who said I talked down to him? I thought the whole basis of being on this site is to post up your work and get feedback, I didnt know this was a place like fucking high school, where everyone has to act all hard. Nah, I think ill drop feedback how I want, its up to the person whether they want to listen to it or not, thats whut the site is for dipshit. :rolleyes:

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[Arson.85.ATG]

well well mr. cheps...where can i start..i really don't give a giraffes testicle who u are or where u come from..u can be the fuckin pope for all i care..um..well ur "graffiti" and throwie...u need werk..i'm not here to tell u what to or what not to do...its ur mind..ur mind creates ur own graffiti..thats what makes it orginal...but um..just werk on it...i mean..fine that lil red n yellow piece is fine..it looks alot better than those other lil crayola pieces u did..its all good tho...it'll hopefully get better