Israel Airstrike july 22, 2002 Gaza Strip Refugee Camp

[ArtvandaL]

kills 12, among them 3 children and one baby, but since the Israeli children and Israeli people are made of gold and the Palestinian people and children are made of shit, the media hardly covers this massacre at all.

[ArtvandaL]

more than 100 people were wounded, 12 critically

[CAPS]

I feel you..... the U.S. is way to into Isreal dick riding. I have theories as to why but I don't wanna be a dick.

CAPS

[Mr. Mang]

they should force israel to somewhere nobody cares about - like antarctica.

fuck them.

[seeking]

seeks/fuck bush, fuck isreal

[capindikfays]

i hate living under the thumb of the supposed super power

[Pistol]

give me fucking jet i'll kill yasser, hamas, hussein and anyother motherfucker trying to get in the way.

[BROWNer]

i noticed that some of the major news networks
aren't running anything on the defense ministers
proposed peace plan either..something the palestinians
have apparently been giving a warm reception to..

[ArtvandaL]

.

[Catch22]

Once again it's fucked up shit thats going on in the middle east. I don't always agree on what Israel or the Palestinians do but do realize that it's not as simple as Israel is evil. Besides that fact that both Israel & the Palestinians are doing some fucked up shit just remember that not every Israeli & Israeli official agree with the way things are being handled. So think before you say Fuck-a-Israel!

[kissmyass#1]

that area of the world is so fucked up

[seeking]

Originally posted by Catch22
just remember that not every Israeli & Israeli official agree with the way things are being handled. So think before you say Fuck-a-Israel!

i did think about it, and i decided.... fuck a israel. if they dont agree with how its being handled, and they're chicken shit bitches for allowing it to go down like it is. in the last 22 months, almost 2000 palestinians, and 1000 israeli's have been killed, for what? so israel can occupy some bullshit land that is not rightfully theirs? so there can constantly be war, so no one can enjoy their 'lives'? obviously the palestinians are not completely innocent, but their only goal is to have their homes back, and their freedom. the israeli's have all sorts of wacky bullshit reasons for their actions. reasons that time after time, have destroyed their peace talks.

if clinton were still in office, shit wouldnt be going down like this.

[--zeSto--]

Originally posted by seeking

if clinton were still in office, shit wouldnt be going down like this.

with Clinton in office, the only thing going down, is a willing fat girl.

[KING BLING]

At this point in the game I agree "fuck a Israel."

[Catch22]

Originally posted by --zeSto--


with Clinton in office, the only thing going down, is a willing fat girl.
:lol: :lol: :lol:




seeking - without getting into a debate on who was there first & who does the land belong to etc, what i'm saying is, if you want to hate on the people that don't give a fuck about innocent Palestinians etc then go ahead. On the other hand if you're hatin on all of Israel you should think twice. If I don't like someone on 12oz. I'm not going to say Fuck-a-12oz!

[--zeSto--]

^ umm.... maybe I'm totally wrong here,
but I think seeking means fuck-an-isreals-dominant-agenda.

If a few bad apples spoil the bunch then.... fuck-a-world

[seeking]

Originally posted by Catch22

seeking - without getting into a debate on who was there first & who does the land belong to etc, what i'm saying is, if you want to hate on the people that don't give a fuck about innocent Palestinians etc then go ahead. On the other hand if you're hatin on all of Israel you should think twice. If I don't like someone on 12oz. I'm not going to say Fuck-a-12oz!

if 12oz was a terrorist state that was causing the death and destruction of countless people, i would say 'fuck a 12oz'. if youve read anything else ive said on the subject, and on politics in general, i say the exact same thing about america. obviously i know that not all americans are bad, but 'america' proper, is responsible for more misery in the world than all other nations combined. its impossible to differentiate between the 'bad leaders' of a country, and the millions of people who are benefited by their leaders murderous actions. SO, thats why i say "fuck a isreal/america/china/etc..."

im not flying off the handle or making some uneducated decision. you dont have to agree with me, but dont doubt the countless hundreds of hours ive put into considering the facts.

or just read what zesto said, as he summed it up perfectly.

[Remi Martin]

yeah.....
the level of hypocrisy in the situation is so absurd that it exceeds any common sense or rational train of thought at this point. while americans sit at home in their nice homes on stolen lands apparently not concerned because we are "at war with terror" , natives of their land fall victim to the hand of a superpower back military led by a corrupt fat guy guilty of countless massacares.

[Catch22]

Originally posted by --zeSto--
^ umm.... maybe I'm totally wrong here,
but I think seeking means fuck-an-isreals-dominant-agenda.

If a few bad apples spoil the bunch then.... fuck-a-world

Yeah, that's all I'm saying. I guess I take it more serious because my homeboys cousin was almost killed on a bus by a suicide bomber. The thing is she isn't hating on the Palestinians she just wants the violence to end. A lot of Israelis feel this way & disagree with the way things are being handled. So maybe I misunderstood seeking but to hate on a Israel in general is ignorant.

[ArtvandaL]

yeah yeah
my point is how the media bareley covers an attack thats carried out by Israel as opposed to an attack carried out by Palestine, which wins the front page of every single newspaper in the country and includes frequent reminders how a child and/or baby was amongst the victims.

Collective Punishment is wideley practiced by Israel and this is not the first incident where innocent Palestinians are murdered by the Israeli Army.

another thing i wanted to point out is how the media here in America, all the newspapers and television networks, for some reason see all the Palestinian people as terrorists. Though everyone knows well that the attacks are carried out by fundamentalist organizations and not by a community. And all the Israeli people are more of human beings and it is amazing and atroscious if one is killed.

[seeking]

my ex girlfriend had a friend who inherited 200million dollars on his 21st birthday. anytime something like this comes up, i automaticaly think of him, and how if i had his money, i would make an informercial each week, and i would air it on a major station all over the country, just talking about all the fucked up stuff that happend throughout the week that no one wants to talk about. then id also have a corresponding web site, filled with links and info on stuff.

i would change the world.



seeks/quarter of a billion shy of a revolution

[--zeSto--]

^ yep

that's a classic fantasy of mine.
Buy an entire commercial break during the superbowl,
then make a cheesy infomercial about a bogus cause (like putting an end to Global Sufferage).
ho ho ha ha !

[sneak]

the world is fucked up...another pearl of wisdom from sneak

[ArtvandaL]

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[CAPS]

Originally posted by seeking

if clinton were still in office, shit wouldnt be going down like this.

Well your right sorta. Clinton made it a point to get his nose in on the palestine/isreal BS and this included shoveling MASSIVE amounts of OUR money to diferent BS concerning isreal/palestine BS. So Clinton fucked off a great economy that the reagnomics built by inserting all these little BS programs and overseas shit and taxing the FUCK outta the rich to pay for it. Fuck the world, they all owe us money (no bullshit) Quit trying to solve the worlds problems and send that money twards school teachers wages, homeless training facilities, and HOLY SHIT a REAL TAX CUT. We are the most powerful nation on earth and we can't even clean up our social issues but we sure can police everybody elses.

I could go on about the Clinton years and the real effects of reganomics but I will save that for another thread.

[binaryheresy]

Originally posted by seeking


i did think about it, and i decided.... fuck a israel. if they dont agree with how its being handled, and they're chicken shit bitches for allowing it to go down like it is. in the last 22 months, almost 2000 palestinians, and 1000 israeli's have been killed, for what? so israel can occupy some bullshit land that is not rightfully theirs? so there can constantly be war, so no one can enjoy their 'lives'? obviously the palestinians are not completely innocent, but their only goal is to have their homes back, and their freedom. the israeli's have all sorts of wacky bullshit reasons for their actions. reasons that time after time, have destroyed their peace talks.

if clinton were still in office, shit wouldnt be going down like this.

I agree with you for the most part... except your numbers, though be it close... the truth should be known: 3640 Palestinians have been killed, where in some 1372 Israelies. About 3/4 of the Palestinians killed have been innocent bystanders who were just trying to get away, that is 2,730 men, women, and children. Though 1372 is a large number of civilian casualties, who is doing it? Hamas, Al Whathefuckever, and other terrorist organizations. Who is killing the Palestinians? Ariel Sharon - the leader of Israel. The recognized president of Israel. Besides, what happened during World War II? Does anybody remember Euro History? The Jews were given Israel as a gift of refuge. Who's land was it? The majority of it was Palestine. I think that Ariel Sharon, now that Benjamin Netanyaho is out of office, is doing what he wanted to do when he was a military commander - exterminate the Palestinians like the scum he thinks they are. But when in reality he is playing wargames like Slogadon Milosovic or even Adolf Hitler, just in smaller quantities.

[binaryheresy]

Originally posted by CAPS

Fuck the world, they all owe us money (no bullshit) Quit trying to solve the worlds problems and send that money twards school teachers wages, homeless training facilities, and HOLY SHIT a REAL TAX CUT. We are the most powerful nation on earth and we can't even clean up our social issues but we sure can police everybody elses.


Hmm... you got your reply in before mine.. and i would have quoted you. School teachers wages are not federal problems, they are state. I live in dumb southern state and we have faced 300 cuts in our metro school system. But that is State issue, not Federal. A real tax cut is unprobable... it is a republican government (i feel you might be one or close to one... so we might be talking a little more in the future).

[seeking]

no offense caps, but i wont even bother to begin discussing anything with someone who honestly believes that reaganomics was a success, and that the lack of funding for american programs comes from our foreign raping, i mean aid policies.
those two ideas are so ridiculous, that at first i thought you were being sarcastic.

[CAPS]

Originally posted by binaryheresy
School teachers wages are not federal problems, they are state. I live in dumb southern state and we have faced 300 cuts in our metro school system. But that is State issue, not Federal.

You are right but fedral grants can pump millions of dollars into the school systems that they may use at there own discression. As far as a taxcut, improbible yes but with a focus on redirection of government and its 1000's of programs.... and the IRS being WAY outa hand.... and the rich getting taxed 40% ........ and and and ..... you wonder why the rich hide money and don't give it to charities or gift programs they beleive in. It's because they have been FUCKED for TOO LONG and they are ready to pull the dick out. Just because the rich have money, and in many cases self made from rags, doesn't mean they should be penalized for our governments blatent misuse of funds. If a corperation ran like the government, it would have been belly up 10 fold.

P.S. I am libertarian.... if you hadn't guessed

[CAPS]

Originally posted by seeking
no offense caps, but i wont even bother to begin discussing anything with someone who honestly believes that reaganomics was a success,

K..... regan cut taxes for the rich. His anylists beleived that by doing so it would spark the rich to invest in AMERICA instead of the onslaught of foreign projects that where going on at the time so they could keep the money out of the country that was robbing them.

The anylists said that we would not truely see the effects of these cuts for some 10-15 years. It takes a while to build a new factory let alone get all the ducks in rows to due so....human services, permits, location, funding etc... so when all these LOCAL companies started hiring massive amounts of LOCALS IN THE STATES for high tech and low tech jobs and not indonesian's or chinese in some far off place, it was a few years later that the unemployment rate was the lowest in history and the economy was off the hook because we had money to spend from all the new higher paying factory and industry jobs that developed the previous 10 years.

Shall I get deeper?

Oh yeah and Clinton just so happend to be in office when we started rocking so it looked to the sheep that vote like he was responsible.

[Cracked Ass]

Originally posted by seeking
my ex girlfriend had a friend who inherited 200million dollars on his 21st birthday. anytime something like this comes up, i automaticaly think of him, and how if i had his money, i would make an informercial each week, and i would air it on a major station all over the country, just talking about all the fucked up stuff that happend throughout the week that no one wants to talk about. then id also have a corresponding web site, filled with links and info on stuff.

i would change the world.


I don't think you could get that past Lawrence Salentine...and your funds would run out a lot quicker than you think...especially if his friend Martin Mutford had anything to say about it.
(To understand what the hell I'm talking about, read a very good novel by Mario Puzo entitled "The Fourth K". A very insightful work of fiction, and a plain old good read, fast-paced, etc.)

[seeking]

Originally posted by CAPS


K..... regan cut taxes for the rich. His anylists beleived that by doing so it would spark the rich to invest in AMERICA instead of the onslaught of foreign projects that where going on at the time so they could keep the money out of the country that was robbing them.

The anylists said that we would not truely see the effects of these cuts for some 10-15 years. It takes a while to build a new factory let alone get all the ducks in rows to due so....human services, permits, location, funding etc... so when all these LOCAL companies started hiring massive amounts of LOCALS IN THE STATES for high tech and low tech jobs and not indonesian's or chinese in some far off place, it was a few years later that the unemployment rate was the lowest in history and the economy was off the hook because we had money to spend from all the new higher paying factory and industry jobs that developed the previous 10 years.

Shall I get deeper?

Oh yeah and Clinton just so happend to be in office when we started rocking so it looked to the sheep that vote like he was responsible.

your wasting your breath. that whole argument is so wridden with holes, it would make a terrible fish net, let alone argument.
if reaganomics were so great, why did he and bush more than tripple the national debt in a matter of 12 years? that means to say that in 12 years, they managed to tripple what had taken some 200 years of governmental spending to acrue. why did the gap between rich and poor widen at an unprecidented rate, while the unemployment rate also rose, as did the number of jobs shipped off to mexico, south america and taiwan? the boost in the economy during clintons term had far more to do with the dawning of the 'information age' and little to nothing to do with reagan.

this will be all i have to say on the subject

[Smart]

Originally posted by CAPS

So Clinton fucked off a great economy that the reagnomics

AHAHAHAHAHAHA... the REAL effects of Reaganomics negated everything the Carter administration did to balance the budget and pull us out of a huge inflationary period... In his first term Regan TRIPLED the national debt, something previously unheard of and generally thought of as impossible... In his second term, just to prove he knew what he was doing, he TRIPLED it AGAIN! Regan CUBED the national debt, approved illegal arms sales to the Iranians to fund the rebel insurgents in Nicaragua...

[seeking]

6. Between 1980 and 1992, the average income of the wealthiest 1
percent of households in the U.S.

(d) more than tripled


8. Over the past twenty years, average earnings of the nation's top
executives

(e) grew at five times the inflation rate

9. Over the past twenty years, average earnings of blue collar and
white collar workers in private industry

(a) did not keep up with inflation

15. You can earn more than $200,000 a year and owe no federal
income tax at all.

True

16. In a recent year, you could earn $25,000 - $30,000, and owe
federal income tax at about

(e) double the rate paid by thousands whose
incomes are more than $200,000

17. American manufacturing workers earn a lower average hourly
compensation than those of workers across most of the
industrialized world.

True

18. Americans are nearly $2 in debt for every $1 they receive in
their paychecks.

True

30. Some companies have lobbied for and gained special
exemptions - worth millions of dollars - written into U.S. tax laws,
exclusively for them.

True



tell me again about how dope reaganomics was?

[Smart]

Originally posted by CAPS

Quit trying to solve the worlds problems and send that money homeless training facilities

FUCK THAT NOISE! I'm not paying my taxes to train people to be homeless... damn you Republicans are fuckin bloodthirsty, the homeless need JOBS!

you wonder why the rich hide money and don't give it to charities or gift programs they beleive in

oh yeah, it's important to rich people to avoid tax breaks...

P.S. I am libertarian.... if you hadn't guessed

of course I hadn't guessed, you want to expand the federal government's role in our schools (democrat), lift the tax on the rich (republican) and you think Reganomics worked (delusional)

[CAPS]

K---- again you are right on A LOT of things.. regan spent the shit outta money and did fuck the debt.... but the outlying goal was to build a POWERFUL nation. You have to spend money to defend as well as build. We had a serious nuclear threat at the time. Like none we have known and regan was spending MASSIVE money to try to protect us and yes that drove the debt to oblivion. As far as the tax cuts for the rich..... THE RICH BUILD JOBS...... bluecollar is truely the oil in the gears but who pays for those gears. I beleive the rich will continue to be rich and it is ignorant to think we can "build a bridge" to gap this. We should give them the money they erned and trust they will BUILD like they did in the mid 80's thru the mid 90's before they got slapped the fuck around and started downsizing all over the place. INFORMATION AGE? Man the bull market that ended in 97 started in 85-86 when we still had very little info traveling like it does now. The market was a direct reflection of what was going on in the economy. yes it blacked out for a bit but then came back stronger than anybody had figured. I am not gonna argue that regan had HUGE flaws but his goal idealy was to give the rich a break which they fuckin deserved. They built the fuckin country and all of a sudden they are penalized for giving people JOBS.

[KRONOLOGIK]

:heated: I'm fuckin exasperated with all this Israeli - Palestinian bullshit.

[seeking]

christ, you seriously are fucking dilusional!

"We had a serious nuclear threat at the time. Like none we have known and regan was spending MASSIVE money to try to protect us"

there was no threat of nuclear war! reagan invented the 'cold war' to scare us all into believing in his fight of the 'evil' of comunism. the russians didnt want to fight us, they wanted to feed their damn citizens and to keep their totalitarian dictatoriship we self-servingly refer to as communism, in power. ever see the movie 'canadian bacon'? not so far off the mark unfortunitly.


"As far as the tax cuts for the rich..... THE RICH BUILD JOBS...... bluecollar is truely the oil in the gears but who pays for those gears. I beleive the rich will continue to be rich and it is ignorant to think we can "build a bridge" to gap this. We should give them the money they erned and trust they will BUILD like they did in the mid 80's thru the mid 90's before they got slapped the fuck around and started downsizing all over the place"

earned? like enron? like worldcom? like bush? built jobs in the 80's? WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOUR FACTS COMING FROM? the 80's had more layoffs than anytime since the depression. continue to pay their workers? you mean continue to pay them less and less with each passing year? people made more in 1950 than they do now (with inflation). got slapped around and started downsizing? billions of dollars in tax deductions, shelters and private sector legislation was being 'slapped around'? being allowed to interview, propose and approve of the hiring of the very 'watchdogs' that are supposed to keep them in line, is being 'slapped around'? the companies didnt downsize, they moved to fucking honduras where they could pay a 50th of the money and get the same product!
"I am not gonna argue that regan had HUGE flaws but his goal idealy was to give the rich a break which they fuckin deserved. They built the fuckin country and all of a sudden they are penalized for giving people JOBS."

that they earned? again, like enron and worldcom and all the countless thousands of multi national companies that set up their 'office' in the virgin islands to avoid paying the taxes that you and i have no way of escaping?! that they earned by lying to their stock holders and employees, thereby flatout stealing every penny they had, while the brass walked away with hundreds of millions of dollars in profit? they deserve a break for that? for using child labor in third world countries so as to avoid paying a living wage to americans? giving people jobs? they didnt give people shit. anything that the working class blue collar worker has these days, is fought for tooth and fucking nail.
this is why i didnt want to get into it, because honestly, you're 'argument' doesnt even deserve this much of a response. its a stretch of the truth at best, and a completely fanciful fabrication at worst.

[ArtvandaL]

you two fuckers got waaaaay off topic

[CAPS]

You sir are lumping all corprates together as if corprates are all EVIL AND DEMONIC AND OUT TO FUCK THE WORLD. Man yes, buisness can be dirty. But not all buisness is dirty. You seem to think that the economy just solved itself. The thing about economic planning is it is VERY long term. Again, regan planned for growth but first he had to start the growth by giving back money to the only people that where gonna grow the country. You are right that corps took shitloads of jobs overseas and such. Yes they head to the virgin islands to avoid taxes. Shit seek can you blame them? The tax system has gone back to FUCKED. My grandfather died a very wealthy man and to his dying day he paid 40% of everthing he made in a year to the government. Picture this seek, every 10 dollars you make, you have to hand 4 of it to a guy who is gonna turn around and send it overseas to some third world cause we should have nothing to do with. Your missing the fact that it takes 10-15 years to see a presidents legacy. Funny how 10-15 after Regan/Bush we see the strogest economy in history. That is just curious to me. And now coming up on 10 years since Clinton got in office....oh..... Market is crashing, corps are shutting ops and taking them overseas, ....etc. I am saying that when all the "surplus" talk was happening Clinton made no effort to cut taxes. In fact he fucking RAISED them to pay for his socialist bullshit. They are getting more money than they need by 250+ million a year and they still figured out a way to spend it instead of giving it back. Don't get me wrong, W. had a retarded budget and I can't realy stand him as it is because he will not stand up to anyone.

Anyway.... we will never end this seek. You are very well informed. I tend to blow things up I know. I just come from a long, LONG line of buisness men and I have seen what they did to help the country so I haven't lost faith in corps just yet. I see how the rich are often misconceived and the few bad apples taint the shine of the rest.

[CAPS]

6. Between 1980 and 1992, the average income of the wealthiest 1
percent of households in the U.S.

(d) more than tripled

This true.... and I explained why it needed to happen.

[seeking]

this is my impression of me not getting involved in this discussion...


"You seem to think that the economy just solved itself. The thing about economic planning is it is VERY long term. Again, regan planned for growth but first he had to start the growth by giving back money to the only people that where gonna grow the country."

19% of the population, holds what, 95% of the countries wealth? ok, now tell me again how it makes more sense to give breaks to the 19%, instead of the 81%? because we 'trust' that they will do 'good' things with it? that they will create jobs? but who is supposed to buy the products, when the 81% cant even afford to buy food? reagans chief finacial advisors sent him memos stating he knew that there was no way this would work. that it would just widen the chasm between the classes. this is reagans own cabinet were talking about. this was disclosed a couple years ago, with the freedom of information act.
the economy boomed in the mid 90's, because your average joe citizen had more money to put back into the economy. this was not due to reagan, this was do to the whole sector of jobs created by the internet, intellectual properties, and the communications markets. all things that did not exist (for the most part) in the 80's, so they could not possibly, have been the product of reagans planning. yes, alot of that money did come from wealthy business men, but it was not because of the 'trickle down' effect, it was because they either were enamoured by the idea of the 'get rich quick' scheme, or because they invested in and started companies that dealt with these new markets. companies, that would have been started regardless of reagans tax breaks.

"you are right that corps took shitloads of jobs overseas and such. Yes they head to the virgin islands to avoid taxes. Shit seek can you blame them? The tax system has gone back to FUCKED. My grandfather died a very wealthy man and to his dying day he paid 40% of everthing he made in a year to the government. Picture this seek, every 10 dollars you make, you have to hand 4 of it to a guy who is gonna turn around and send it overseas to some third world cause we should have nothing to do with."


heres some facts i pulled off the internet for you:

Average taxpayers pick up an expensive tab for corporate welfare expenditures. Government spending for corporate welfare programs far exceeds government spending for social programs.

1. Fact: Spending for corporate welfare programs outweighs spending for low-income programs by more than three to one: $167 billion to $51.7 billion (source: Aid for Dependent Corporations, from the Corporate Welfare Project and How Much Do We Spend on Welfare?, from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, FY 95 figures)
2. Fact: Total federal spending on a safety net for the poor costs the average taxpayer about $400 a year, while spending on corporate welfare programs costs the same taxpayer about $1400 a year. (source: CBO figures)

Corporate welfare programs are protected at the expense of the poor and powerless. In the last Congress, spending for the needy absorbed the majority of spending cuts, while corporate welfare spending was barely touched.

1. Fact: Over 90% of the budget cuts passed by the last Congress cut spending for the poor -- programs that ensure food for the needy, housing for the homeless, job training for the unemployed, community health care for the sick. (source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, Bearing Most of the Burden, 1996).
2. Fact: Only 3.9% of total federal outlays go to programs that solely benefit poor people.


tell me again how the rich are getting screwed and the little man has it easy? i paid 1400 dollars last year, so ameritech, coca-cola, enron, etc, could receive millions and millions in tax breaks.


"Funny how 10-15 after Regan/Bush we see the strogest economy in history. That is just curious to me. And now coming up on 10 years since Clinton got in office....oh..... Market is crashing, corps are shutting ops and taking them overseas, ....etc."

funny how again, as i said, the world went through another 'revolution' like we did as we entered the industrial age, where we also saw an incredible boom in the economy. look at the most wealthy men in the world, and what do they own? two computer corporations (microsoft and dell). that there alone proves reagan didnt have shit to do with it.


"I am saying that when all the "surplus" talk was happening Clinton made no effort to cut taxes. In fact he fucking RAISED them to pay for his socialist bullshit. They are getting more money than they need by 250+ million a year and they still figured out a way to spend it instead of giving it back. "

you're right, they should have given it back, like bush did, so that they have to borrow from social security just to run the fucking government. yeah, way to go dubya.
not to mention, how can you have a 'surplus' when your trillions of dollars in debt? clinton balanced the budget so we were no longer going into debt, like your heros were doing. we didnt have a surplus, it just wasnt getting worse.


"I just come from a long, LONG line of buisness men and I have seen what they did to help the country so I haven't lost faith in corps just yet. I see how the rich are often misconceived and the few bad apples taint the shine of the rest."

now things make much more sense. i figured you were reciting someone elses politics, i just wasnt sure who, and didnt want to make the assumption that you came from money.
no offense man, but i really think you need to take a look at the fact for yourself, and not just blindly trust what im sure you've been fed your whole life by your father, and his father, etc. reaganomics benefited NO ONE but the rich.

[I Luv Roo]

Originally posted by CAPS


Well your right sorta. Clinton made it a point to get his nose in on the palestine/isreal BS and this included shoveling MASSIVE amounts of OUR money to diferent BS concerning isreal/palestine BS. So Clinton fucked off a great economy that the reagnomics built by inserting all these little BS programs and overseas shit and taxing the FUCK outta the rich to pay for it. Fuck the world, they all owe us money (no bullshit) Quit trying to solve the worlds problems and send that money twards school teachers wages, homeless training facilities, and HOLY SHIT a REAL TAX CUT. We are the most powerful nation on earth and we can't even clean up our social issues but we sure can police everybody elses.

I could go on about the Clinton years and the real effects of reganomics but I will save that for another thread.

REAGANOMICS!? Are you fucking for real?!

(sorry, I'm a little late on the topic. That's my only reaction.)

[seeking]

dont worry roo, i completely obliterated any and all make believe argument he tried to pass off as fact (or even educated opinion)


seeks/making the world safe for anti-american sentiments

[CAPS]

Originally posted by seeking

now things make much more sense. i figured you were reciting someone elses politics, i just wasnt sure who, and didnt want to make the assumption that you came from money.
no offense man, but i really think you need to take a look at the fact for yourself, and not just blindly trust what im sure you've been fed your whole life by your father, and his father, etc. reaganomics benefited NO ONE but the rich.

Trust me pal, I am self made. I have refused every cent ever offered me because I don't want that rederick that you just spit. For your info, My father and his father are deep south and are democrat. We go rounds constently.

"etc. reaganomics benefited NO ONE but the rich. "
at first yes. but I beg to differ trickle down didn't work.

K I'm done seek.... this has been good. If you want to keep going, e-mail me. Believe it or not, you make sense.

hahhahaha.


CAPS.... serious tho, e-mail.

[I Luv Roo]

People in this country are so DUPED.

People voted for Bush because he promised 300 measly bucks tax "refund"....

Just wait till he starts asking for it back - quadrupletimesten!

I wonder how long it'll take them to make that "surplus" a deficit? Six more months? Two?

[I Luv Roo]

Originally posted by CAPS


Trust me pal, I am self made. I have refused every cent ever offered me because I don't want that rederick that you just spit. For your info, My father and his father are deep south and are democrat. We go rounds constently.

"etc. reaganomics benefited NO ONE but the rich. "
at first yes. but I beg to differ trickle down didn't work.

K I'm done seek.... this has been good. If you want to keep going, e-mail me. Believe it or not, you make sense.

hahhahaha.


CAPS.... serious tho, e-mail.

Is rederick slang for r-h-e-t-o-r-i-c ??

[seeking]

Originally posted by CAPS


Trust me pal, I am self made. I have refused every cent ever offered me because I don't want that rederick that you just spit. For your info, My father and his father are deep south and are democrat. We go rounds constently.

"etc. reaganomics benefited NO ONE but the rich. "
at first yes. but I beg to differ trickle down didn't work.


i wasnt implying that you got anything other than your views from your parents. if that isnt the case, then unfortunitly, that means you somehow came to the conclusion that reaganomics was right, on your own, and thats just baffeling.

you can beg to differ that it did work, but you have no proof of it. at the same time, i have no 'proof' that it didnt work, other than the fact that the recent boom in the economy was centered around the media and information markets, wich simply did not exist in the 80's. you can deny their impact if you want to, but i cant. all the biggest companies in the world right now, with the exception of the auto industry, and the health/insurange industry, are technology based. unless reagan invented the computer, he had nothing to do with the current (or recent) positive state of the economy.

i am done as well. this topic has been beaten into the ground.
it was nice discussing it with you, sorry if at anypoint i came off like an asshole, i dont mean it, arguing just brings it out of me, nothing personal...

[seeking]

Originally posted by I Luv Roo


Is rederick slang for r-h-e-t-o-r-i-c ??

hey now, atleast be fair. if you're gonna pick on his spelling errors, alteast mock mine as well. i spell like a dyslexic third grader with one eye and stump for a hand.

[I Luv Roo]

I really thought it was a new way to "mis" spell a word! Not kidding!

[binaryheresy]

seek.... you are by far the most intellectual person i have seen on this forum. very well done sir.


Man the bull market that ended in 97 started in 85-86

this is my last thing on this subject... the crash of 89'?! markets created in 1990's? ok.

[BLACKGAYJEW]

LET THE FUCKERS PAY!

[CAPS]

Originally posted by binaryheresy
seek.... you are by far the most intellectual person i have seen on this forum. very well done sir.

this is my last thing on this subject... the crash of 89'?! markets created in 1990's? ok.

Bla.... 89 was a mishap. We came off track for a minute then came back on. Natural fix. It's how the market works. Same shit is happening now. It has to plateu and drop...... it is not an infinate growing entity.If it was we would all be rich and anylists would ALL be right. I am buying Haliburton shares as we speak. 2 days ago they dropped to 9.50 ish a share today they are hitiin 11.50ish. This time last year they traded at 45ish a share. You do the math.

By the way here is a site for you all to get some viewpoints on reganomics.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/chat/686893/posts

I like this particular fact:

"When he was elected in 1980, inflation was a major concern. Jimmy Carter had beaten Gerald Ford like a rented mule over the issue while narrowly defeating Ford four years earlier. Yet under Carter, the inflation rate shot up to 12 percent. Ronald Reagan’s administration sliced that by more than half.

On taxes, President Reagan pushed through Congress the largest cut in history, 25 percent over a three-year period. The marginal tax rate was 70 percent when he was elected; that was reduced to 28 percent, courtesy of the Gipper. The resulting boom reduced unemployment and lowered interest rates while inflation diminished. "

seek?

[binaryheresy]

true that it is not an ever growing entity, but this latest recession has been a little more than a drop... it has undone what it has taken five years to add on to. so you are a bargain hunter, eh?! haha. i bought a few numbers of qualcomm earlier this week.... doing decent.

[FUCKMYASS]

let them wallow in thier own shit

[CAPS]

here is another good arguement.
http://www.shafted.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000003-2.html

and yes I am a bargain hunter. K-Mart is 61 cents a share right now. They just hired a guy to get them on track so trust this..... they will come back. buy 100 shares....that will cost you 70 bucks. If it even goes up to 2.00 a share it's a nice return but picture a return to glory days of 13 a share this time last year and you will have a SWEET return.

[seeking]

Originally posted by CAPS


On taxes, President Reagan pushed through Congress the largest cut in history, 25 percent over a three-year period. The marginal tax rate was 70 percent when he was elected; that was reduced to 28 percent, courtesy of the Gipper. The resulting boom reduced unemployment and lowered interest rates while inflation diminished. "

seek?

in his first two years in office, unemployment shot up to 9.7%. now, understand that at any given time, whatever the 'official' unemployment rate is, it is accepted that the actual unemployment rate, is roughly double that. so thats an estimated 19% of the population out of work. thanks 'gipper'! you're right, over the rest of his term, he was able to lower it down to an official 5.3%, however it took him 8 years to get there. i wont even mention how when bush took office, continuing the reaganomics policy, it shot right back up to 7.4% oh wait, i guess i just did.

ok, let me get this right, you're claiming reagans 25% tax break was a crowning achievment of modern politics? ok, then what was the subsequent trippeling of the national debt?! due in a large part, because our government wasnt receiving the tax funds it needed to run itself? you cant have both here man! anyone can cut taxes when they completely disregard the effects it will have (dubya!) on the debt. shit, why didnt he just eliminate taxes all together?!!
under reagan, government rose, governemnt spending rose, the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, unemployment saw its highest point since the depression, we spent billions and billions on completely unecesary nuclear weapons and a 'star wars' plan that would not and could not ever possibly work. he was a fucking cowboy, that practiced pandering to the rich, because thats who got him, and kept him in office.

anything else?

binaryherasy, thanks for the compliment, but its just not the truth. cracked would school me all day long on this shit. luckily though, we both seem to take the same side most of the time.

[KRONOLOGIK]

Move to Canada, Northern lights, strong beer, free health care, get away with murder (jack Krylon a plenty), Vince Carter, no tax on lotto winnings, non fascist government, Grizzly Bears, second largest country in the world, low crime, the whole world doesn't want to kill us, abundance of resources (largest supply of fresh water in the world), high speed limmits, low pollution, poppulation of 35 million (less than New York alone), C.N. Tower (largest free standing structure in the world), friendly, good climate (all four seasons), And besides were run by America just like every other country in the world so I guess you could just consider us the largest american state. Now chew me up :beat:

[ArtvandaL]

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[seeking]

Originally posted by KRONOLOGIK
Move to Canada, Northern lights, strong beer, free health care, get away with murder (jack Krylon a plenty), Vince Carter, no tax on lotto winnings, non fascist government, Grizzly Bears, second largest country in the world, low crime, the whole world doesn't want to kill us, abundance of resources (largest supply of fresh water in the world), high speed limmits, low pollution, poppulation of 35 million (less than New York alone), C.N. Tower (largest free standing structure in the world), friendly, good climate (all four seasons), And besides were run by America just like every other country in the world so I guess you could just consider us the largest american state. Now chew me up :beat:

chew you up?
id rather move in with you and push for an even further socialist agenda.

[--zeSto--]

^ It's called the New Democratic Party.

here's their statement on terror (http://www.ndp.ca/terror/)

one part...
"Fifth, we reaffirm our policy to oppose offensive military intervention that is not sanctioned by the United Nations. We call for an immediate end to the U.S. led military action in Afghanistan and an end to Canadian participation in this action."

[Esai]

Damn caps, you sure are one stupid motherfucken product of your rich ass environment. If you want, I can take you on a tour of my neighborhood and point out every program that was cut by reagan, then we can go to the local pocket of wealth and ask how good thing s were in the 80's to see the real effects of the thief called reagan. All his starwars crap basically was a big fraud(proven by air tests) to make his buddies rich, robbin from the poor to give to the rich. In fact the wealthy have been basically been robbing the poor since the last time they got the assfucking that the average american does daily, which was post WW2 roosevelt times. Fuck the rich,, less than 1% actually came from poverty, and today thats generally immagrants. So that means your gramps was probably a fucken thief, fuck you and your family. If you want some more education and reality of american economy and its effects on the public, come down from your mansion and Ill give it to you in person and do to you what youre wretched kind has been doin to my people since the day you guys set foot on th eAmericas, rob your fucken ass blind.

[ArtvandaL]

yo what the fuck did you guys do to this thread! ? !

fukin political national economics fukers!

goodbye

[CAPS]

Originally posted by Esai
Fuck the rich,, less than 1% actually came from poverty, and today thats generally immagrants. So that means your gramps was probably a fucken thief, fuck you and your family. If you want some more education and reality of american economy and its effects on the public, come down from your mansion and Ill give it to you in person


and your dumb.....
1st: My grandfather was an imigrant from a POOR italian family. He started his buisness from scratch and worked 20hr days 7 days a week for almost 30 years. I haven't met very many "poor" folk that are even willing to work that hard. Half of them bitch about a part time job. I know cause half of them are my friends.

2nd: I live in a house that I bought with my own money. I own two buisneses and 2 cars. I'll let you in on a little secret. I use to be homeless about 10 years ago. I walked away from my family and decided I would find my own way. I traveled from COAST TO COAST staying in some straight up FUCKED situations. I know of the poverty you speak of. I lived it. Then I got fed up with blaming the world for my problem and got the fuck up and out. Fuck you and your asumptions.

3rd: I will not debate the flaws in regans economic plans. Me and seek did enough of that. I showed what I beleive, and he VERY WELL stated his point. I know of two college econ professors that would debate that it worked. I only wish I had the facts they had to post up. In reality it worked and it didn't. I know this. But from what I beleive in as far as free market capitalism...... I built myself from the dirt up and anyone who wants to can to. ESPECIALLY if you are latin or afro-american. I have two homeboys who are on full ride scholarships and the had OK grades. All you gotta do is want it.

this is all..... you came lame kid.

[Esai]

Lame my ass fool. First of all one fucken exception of an example doesnt make it the norm fool. Because those enron guys are rich and thieves dont make all the rich thieves, does it? Well, neither does you or anyone in your family pulling theselves from poverty makes that the story of most wealthy people. Im glad youre grandpa got rich, but the majority of wealthy people come from wealth to begin with, that 1% statistic came from the census. Another thing, for every minority that gets a scholarship theres 100 in jail, thats a basic truth. Just because your world is black and white, like you believe, doesnt mean reality is. The wealthy tend to either think the poor are just lazy, or dont think about them at all. I know tons of people around me who work their asses off for nothing. Either wayI agree on hatin people bitch , but smany have a right to do just that, as long as they try to get off their asses and do something about it. Anyways, From the responses Iveheard from you, Im not in the mood to argue facts and details,so Im out. PS how the hell did you become homeless after you said your grandpa carved out a nice life for your family, Either I smell bullshit or you have one hell of an interesting ass life.

[CAPS]

Originally posted by Esai
YOU: Lame my ass fool.

ME: ....NO you are.... no you are....


YOU: Another thing, for every minority that gets a scholarship theres 100 in jail, thats a basic truth. Just because your world is black and white, like you believe, doesnt mean reality is.

ME: K I feel you on the minority prison situation. I got mad homeboys locked up for weak shit that my white friends didn't catch nearly as much of a click for. My world is far from black and white pal, to me it's all a shade of human. I don't beleive in race. BUT it has been proven over and over and over that the scholorships, programs, bla bla bla are much more in abundance purely based on your color because of the bullshit profiling and afirm action shit that goes down. Here is a neat fact for you. Did you know that there are twice as many white folk on welfare than any other "race". I like to spit that at the NAZI faggots I tattoo now and again.

YOU:I know tons of people around me who work their asses off for nothing.

ME: True. Nuff said.

YOU:PS how the hell did you become homeless after you said your grandpa carved out a nice life for your family, Either I smell bullshit or you have one hell of an interesting ass life.

ME: Trust me kid, it was no bullshit. My grandfather may have been a millionaire but you would have never knew it. He lived in an 80 thousand dollar house and drove a buick. He gave TONS of money away and built a church for his comunity. The real is that he helped and gave more than he took. He refused to baby his children. My mom has worked HARD for the past 35 years. She didn't get a handout.

HOW DID I BECOME HOMELESS? drugs.... I will leave it at that. I have been sober almost seven years now. To close ESAI , don't hate the rich man. It's a waste of time. Your right that few are like my grandpa. Most of the true WW2 rich are dying off and now the newschool rich are the shitheads that are greedy. But I still say that even so..... the 40% tax bracket is BS. 40% of my Grandfathers money was TAKEN from him every year. Without hatin' put yourself in his shoes for a minute. All he has done for people and he got FUCKED.If I was rich right now, I would hide my money to.

[Esai]

Good points caps, but I just dont think we'll be agreeing. Although I still think your view is a little too narrow minded, I apologize for underestimating or demeaning you. I knew a few of my friends dad who made something out of themselves from nothing and now take some of your stances on social and political stances, and I just cant see how you cant notice the social and institutional prejudices that keep people in poverty while you were at the bottom. I was born and raised in shit and it was plain to my view. Either way, it is interesting about what your life had taken you through and I can respect that, I was actually being apprenticed to sling ink myself but I went on a bad trip about artists and stoppes to go to school. Anyways it was fu arguing with you. Peace

[561!]

hmm...