What ever happened to...

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

What ever happened to finding shit out on your own? When I first started writing there was no internet, there were no magaiznes, there were no mailorder or walk in shops for graff shit. I mean, I had more fun trying new pens, inks, paints, etc. than actually doing the graff. now you have all these kids coming on here and asking questions, ordering pre packaged graffiti shit, reading mags(no disrespect to mags), and reading books(no diss either). I didnt find out about any books or videos until I had been writing for about 5 years. Its great that kids are getting into graff because of these things, dont get me wrong, but I mean cmon, find out about shit on yur own, please. It just makes you love and appreciate graffiti just that much more. Just dont ask dumb questions, if you are wondering how something works or how to make something, try it. Hey, who knows, in the process you might learn something new. It seems like that integral part of graffiti is going away.

On a side note: If you have all the best markers, paints, caps, inks, etc. It doesnt make you a better writer. You cant buy skill. You still have to put in work and do graffiti. That is the only thing that will make you better. Dedication, time, skill and a love for what you are doing.

[SE4_2002]

Well put...What annoy`s me is kids that think it`s a cool thing to do so they pick a tin up paint for a year then give up, I blame these kiddie`s for the state of London Bridge trax, diaFUCKINbolical..Another thing that annoy`s me is when they keep using the word"GRAFFIN" makes me cringe every time I hear it!

[catwash]

just youngsters trying to look bad amongst their bad friends, going out with a tin of flouro montana and making the area look like shit. What makes them go for the flourescent colours? Is it the same everywhere?

And 'graffin', don't even get me started... untuck your fucking tracksuit and wear your fucking cap properly!

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

innit?

[imported_b0b]

I think the trouble with the "pre-packaged" graf stuff is that it allows people to dabble in graf more easily, whereas before it was a lot harder to find stuff out and you had to be a lot more commited and inquisative (sp?). Due to the dabbling being easier people stop after a short while, whereas before they would still be on the learning curve.

[sneak]

Originally posted by catwash
just youngsters trying to look bad amongst their bad friends, going out with a tin of flouro montana and making the area look like shit. What makes them go for the flourescent colours? Is it the same everywhere?

And 'graffin', don't even get me started... untuck your fucking tracksuit and wear your fucking cap properly!

so fucking true. u from the uk? cos i didnt think the dicks with their tracksuits tucked into their socks and caps at shit angles had spread over seas

[catwash]

Originally posted by sneak
u from the uk? cos i didnt think the dicks with their tracksuits tucked into their socks and caps at shit angles had spread over seas

yep i'm uk. dunno if the tracksuits have spread yet but it's only a matter of time!

[Are2]

i agree..it has gotten ridiculous
it seems as though the information age has taken all the hard work, and fun, out of learning things for yourself..

but as far as how all that applies to graf, i still belief that all this discussion, all the flicks and sketches and feedback still cannot be a substitute for true skill and dedication

the inherent risks in graffiti will hopefully keep the respect in the hands of the talented and determined
the internet has no street credibility

and all of the 'real' writers know that..

[sneak]

Originally posted by catwash


yep i'm uk. dunno if the tracksuits have spread yet but it's only a matter of time!

why do they think they look good like that????

[.R.]

Definitly, finding shit out for yourself makes it all worthwhile, the feeling you get when u no you did somethin without anyones help is dope,

[hbg]

Originally posted by catwash
just youngsters trying to look bad amongst their bad friends, going out with a tin of flouro montana and making the area look like shit. What makes them go for the flourescent colours? Is it the same everywhere?


that is exactly true . there is something about toys and flourescent colors

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Ok, a little off topic here.

[space]

yea its good to learn on yer own... definitely would speed up yer progress tho if you had ppl to learn from. sometimes its easier with others pushin you to get to that next level.

[socrates]

Does anyone remember high school when there used not be as many out for fame writers and there was like one big ass crew that was based off drinking and partying and then would go out and paint, that was the best.

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Originally posted by space
yea its good to learn on yer own... definitely would speed up yer progress tho if you had ppl to learn from. sometimes its easier with others pushin you to get to that next level.

Well, those people you learn from should be your freinds that you are coming up with or older, wiser writers. Not people on the internet.

[imported_sixteenvandals]

times have changed. it sucks, but it cant stay the same forever. its just like skater's nailing rollerskate wheels to a 2x4 getting pissed because skating went mainstream in the 80's, and its like us 80's skaters mad about tony hawk being on a wheaties box.

basically, times have changed. if you were there for the glory days then you are lucky. but complaining wont turn back time.

my advice is to grab some paint and "DO IT FOR THE CAUSE"

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Im not really complaining, 16v, Im just trying to say that people should at least try things. Instead they automatically come here and ask. Give it a try, if it doesnt work and you cant figure out why, then come on here.

[imported_sixteenvandals]

yeah, i think it is obsurd that people could find and use this message board, yet they dont know anything about graffiti.

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

.. and they think they can learn everything they need to know through this message board.. well put 16v

[455]

hahahha................I hear they sell a "graffiti handbook" at B.Daltons............

[imported_DISCO BRYSO]

socrates, whatever happened to the "party crew" that everyone hated and came before the one you're referring to. Really Stupid. any of them still writing, or trying to at least?

p.s. I don't think it's too late to re-live our high school years.

[HAL]

I still love trying out new markers and caps. New brands of paint are even better, especially when they come in funny colors.

[Fox Mulder]

i get off on this shit...really

[space]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force


Well, those people you learn from should be your freinds that you are coming up with or older, wiser writers. Not people on the internet.

true.

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Bump. more people should read and contribute their thoughts.

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Sticky.......?

[socrates]

Originally posted by DISCO BRYSO
socrates, whatever happened to the "party crew" that everyone hated and came before the one you're referring to. Really Stupid. any of them still writing, or trying to at least?

p.s. I don't think it's too late to re-live our high school years.

I don't really remember much of the high school, ohh wait I rememner why.

[socrates]

DISCO: Which one are you thinking of, I'm pretty sure I was referring to my quazi crew.

Maybe those fat drunk kids??

[mr snortalot]

i love to school litle niggas... it s the best way.. fuck having a nation full of guys like apart kem ges and heat...it elders responibility to make little niggas get better..

[87centHitMan]

When you just ask too many questions on the net, you're not having any kind of individuality, you're just taking the easy way out and doing it just like every other idiot kid that doesen't have a clue as to what they're doing. The best way to learn is on your own, or at least not off of the damn internet. When you do that, you're just taking the easy way out and listening to what other people are telling you to do instead of FIGURING IT OUT by using some sense and just thinking about it. When I got started doing shit, it was because me and a friend were really influenced by these writers that owned my town for a while. We didn't know them or anyone else that ever did graff and boy did we suck some ass...We had no fucking idea as to what graff was really about, we just followed that natural instinct to write on shit. But after a while, we learned our shit and knew what was up. If you do it yourself, you'll have your own unique knowledge and experience to drop on everyone else instead of some shit that someone told you over a message board on the internet. So quit asking stupid questions, fuckers!! People wouldn't call you toy of you actually try to do it yourself...

[porque]

...The best way to learn things is through experience...when i started painting i didn't know anything, i didn't even know about caps, but going out by myself and forceing my self to learn things helped me out a lot, not everyone has someone more experienced that they can learn things from so in a way 12oz becomes their mentor, but i really don't think those kids are going to be around long. when you don't have the drive to try things out for yourself you don't have the drive to paint...the harder the struggle the greater the reward...i ahd the oppurtunity to paint with a vetran writer the other day and it was the best experience i have ever had, i really believe trade secrets should be handed down on a personal level and not just given out to any toy with an internet connection...

[imported_DISCO BRYSO]

Originally posted by socrates
DISCO: Which one are you thinking of, I'm pretty sure I was referring to my quazi crew.

Maybe those fat drunk kids??

Razor Sharp, foooo! buck, buck! I saw that "Take Loves ______" in Williamsburg the other day.. funny shit. who knew? what are all these kids from the NW doing over here.. I came here to get away from you bitches! I imagine if those RS kids were still writing, some would be pretty good by now???

Jerms is the homie.. scammin' Van Kelly for the answers to Spanish tests..

[destroyall]

i remember when i first heard about streakers i thought it was the greatest invention ever. something that can write on concrete and not fuck up the tip! also when i figured out that shoe polish can work as a marker...that really made my day. it bugs me a bit too that kids can come on here and get all the info they want rather than having the fun of testing out new markers...tips...etc. how many new comers have actually tried to make their own fat cap??? probably a small amount. i used to just daydream all day in class about new inventions and new ways to widen my caps. it never really worked that well but it was fun and messy! their loss i guess.

[CONTWO]

what ever happened to the newsman,the paperboy,the evenin tv??

[cazper]

i tried making my own marker, and it turned out dope.....i felt all warm inside cuz its my own idea! woohooo

[socrates]

DISCO: Did jermz go home because I saw this tag and it could be no one but him.

[CyANidE]

What pisses me off is when kids just take a can go to a bridge and write dumb shit like "fuck you" and stuff like that just to be cool or sumthing:mad:

[kan]

POISSES MEOFF OOO IODNT CAREIF SOME KIDS TERRTYING TO GRAF BUT KIDS THAT GO OUT A JUST RIGHT CUSS WORDS ARE REATARDED THT RUINS THE WHOLE THINGS OF GOOING OUT AND PAINTING A WALL I MEAN IT JUST PISSES YOU OFF:king: :king: :idea:

[porque]

Originally posted by CyANidE
What pisses me off is when kids just take a can go to a bridge and write dumb shit like "fuck you" and stuff like that just to be cool or sumthing:mad:

...i used to do that shit when i was like seven or eight...we would go and write every bad word we could think of...

[imported_super man 1]

hahahaha

[imported_DISCO BRYSO]

what do you think? school's.. out.. for.. the.. summer!

xFUCKxDIExKILLx

[DRIPONERS]

LIKE EVERY ONE THAT STARTING NOWA DAYS JUST FADES AWAY IN LIKE 6 MONTHS AND THEN THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT IT TO YOU CUZ YOU GOT BETTER AND STAYED WITH IT SO FUCK TOYS AND FLOURESCENTS I CANT SPELL CUZ I DONT CARE AND BOMB WITH THE RIGHT COLORS ONLY IF MY PARENTS WOULD BUY 6 DOLLAR SPRAY PAINT FOR ME :rolleyes: :D

[porque]

...i believe graffiti's popularity is on it's way out, Target just introduced a line of Graff based merchandise...as soon as you become a corporate fad, your days are numbered, just look at skateboarding's popularity from a few years back, that peaked when tony hawk did a 900, it's been downhill since then...soon the yards will be quiet again...and 12oz won't get a million hits a day...

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Thank god. Then all thes dumb kids can leave it to the pros.

[postaholic]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
What ever happened to finding shit out on your own? When I first started writing there was no internet, there were no magaiznes, there were no mailorder or walk in shops for graff shit. I mean, I had more fun trying new pens, inks, paints, etc. than actually doing the graff.

thats a good point. however, ive known tons of "famous" writers, or they are famous now-a-days, and they grew up with like 6-7 close friends who were also writers, and maybe had been better than them when they first started, and showed them the ropes of 'graffiti' giving them tips, and outlines, and pointers an so on. now thats not finding out shit on their own is it? yet, we wouldnt ever critize our favorite writer even though they might fall into that situation, but your going to look down upon a upcomer asking questions that lacks those other writer buddies? shits kinda silly to me.

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
now you have all these kids coming on here and asking questions, ordering pre packaged graffiti shit, reading mags(no disrespect to mags), and reading books(no diss either).

everyone bites everyone, everyone looks at others work, and it grows on you, no matter what you think, you didnt start graffiti i assume, and therefore you're a follower like the ones before you were was well. that being said, magazines and books, they just tell history, enable us to learn and gather thoughts, and if your into it deep enough, you'll eventually grow into your own style and hopefully progress the culture known as graffiti. CLOWN said it best in an interview he did in PHANTOM MAGAZINE i believe, he stated: "a letter can only be munipulated so much before it isnt that letter anymore, therefore every combination to thta letter has been done before, but you jave to tweak it a tad bit to make it your style" or something like that.

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
I didnt find out about any books or videos until I had been writing for about 5 years.

same thing goes with tha shit i wrote above. since you didnt get mags or books until 5 years into the game, is that any worse than a kid who didnt have friends helping him with his shit? or partners to go out and bomb with and evolve with? its tha same shit, you might have benefitted from friends, while kid B benefitted from mags and books. who cares.

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
On a side note: If you have all the best markers, paints, caps, inks, etc. It doesnt make you a better writer. You cant buy skill. You still have to put in work and do graffiti. That is the only thing that will make you better. Dedication, time, skill and a love for what you are doing.

you're right, you cant buy skill, however you can be shown tips and pointers in which your style, can control and other things involved with graffiti can be gained twice as fast if your shown or helped along, somewhat. you dont need a complete graffiti kit from start to finish of how to become a king in 3 months or whatever, but teaching someone the simple basics to help them overcome some basic hardships is not that bad.

i dont mean to be biting your head of JTF... i just dont like your opinion some what, and pointed out why. seems to me like alot of people like yourself share your opinion amd i disagree with it to a point.

also there is a difference between showing every little punk ass bitch who thinks graffiti is cool, and showing some kids who honestly want to learn, and listen to the valueble lessons you teach them, and thats a very important point to notice as well.

2cents.

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

I was actually talking about coming on the internet and asking advice. That is pathetic. Dont try to justify shit to me. My opinion is solid. Graffiti is being ruined by all these wack kids coming on here asking stupid ass questions that they could have used basic common sense to figure out. Then they go buy all this dope paint and markers and inks and think they are the shit. Knowledge comes from experience. These kids cant figure that out.

Like 16v said, the times have changed. Not for the better. The purity of graffiti is gone.

Questions like:

"What is the best cap?" - Hmm why dont you try all the caps and see wich one is best for you? How hard is that to figure out?

"How do you make a mop?" - Well if you cant use trail and error on this one then all hope is lost. Hey maybe while you are trying to make a mop you might stumble across some new shit that works better.

"How do you make such and such ink?" - Hmm, get some paints inks and thinners and try it. How hard is that.

I just dont like the fact that graffiti is pre-packaged nowadays. It makes it too easy and any old asshole can do it. You have all these idiots that are in-it-for-a-minute that blow shit up for the real dedicated writers that have been in the game for years and the writers that have just started but have a genuine love and dedication to graffiti.

Its like sports. You cant just buy all the equipment and learn all the rules and plays and be a great player. You have to play the game alot and learn from your own experiences to get good. A coach is always good, dont get me wrong. But you cant get coached from the internet.

I just want an end to all these dumb fucking questions. If you love graffiti and you want to do it and get good at it, take the time to do your homework and learn. Dont let others you have never met before give you advice. Thats just dumb. Your teachers should be people that watch you come up, paint with you, show you shit first hand, and be your freinds. Well, not just that, you have to see graffiti all the time to really learn shit off people you dont know. If you live in a town where there is no graffiti, Im sorry but, if you really love it move to a city or learn from your friends. Its the only way.

[postaholic]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
I just dont like the fact that graffiti is pre-packaged nowadays. It makes it too easy and any old asshole can do it. You have all these idiots that are in-it-for-a-minute that blow shit up for the real dedicated writers that have been in the game for years and the writers that have just started but have a genuine love and dedication to graffiti.

you say those in for a minute writers are fuking it up for the true writers and the kings an shit, well, to me it only makes sense that if your one of those kings you need to do one of two things, stomp out there super toys and the in for a minute guys, and take the other toys with talent and teach them some shit to save your scene.

if not, you as well as others will suffer the consequences of a hot scene and so forth.

i know your not stupid, i didnt say you were, im not challenging you, just stating my opinion, so dont get pissy or think im trying to diss you, cuz im not.

[porque]

...are you actually defending all these dumb ass kids?...do you not understand JTF's arguement?...do you enjoy seeing new threads everyday about how to make a good 'E'?...or where to buy paint?...or who the best writer in the world is?... it's because of kids like these that the paper chase is filled with shit drawings from kids that think they're writers...come on now...all JTF is asking is that people use some common sense, cause if you don't have that you're not gonna make it anyway...

[Prismacillor]

where to buy paint, i love that one. i have to agree with jtf and porque, cause theres alot of shitheads that will go over my pieces with scribbles, and i know they dont have talent and they arent going to be writing ever, but i also dont know them to tell them whats up, dont write over something unless its going to be better. all it is is kids thinking tagging is cool for right now for the wrong reasons, go on here,and learn more ways to make this place uglier than it already is, if the kids cared about it enough, they would figure at least a few things out for themselves and be in a better positoin than just being handed something. and im not saying i havent learnt a few things from this site cause i have, but i had already figured out a lot more than most people do when they go on here.yeah and about target, i just saw a target commercial with all these marker tags going on the screen and shit, it was pretty depressing.

[boxer_kid29]

I totally agree with ya but I noticed everybody thats saying "How do I make a marker or cap are saying yea i agree with you totally."

[boxer_kid29]

Almost Nobody found shit out on there own they were shown the way by their mentor or teacher. You can pick up a can and paint like crazy every night and still not learn shit you have to study what other writers are painting and mutate that into what you want it. On the fad note GRAFFITI is DEAD the companys and kids that paly around with it have and always will but true writers are a dying breed today even the tagbanger kids can sometimes become good but most don't because of the Hip-Hop lifestyle. My theroy kids like rap so they buy the music,cloths. and pick up on the customs (graffiti,dj,b-boy) but then they get older and "wiser" and end up giveing it up.

[porque]

Originally posted by boxer_kid29
Almost Nobody found shit out on there own they were shown the way by their mentor or teacher. You can pick up a can and paint like crazy every night and still not learn shit you have to study what other writers are painting and mutate that into what you want it.

...maybe you were lucky enough to have somebody show you everything and give you all the advice you need ed but not everyone is, and yes i know that back in the day everyone had mentors who helped them out...but personally speaking i spent a solid year and a half painting without any guidance from anyone better than me, and i can atest that you CAN figure things out on your own if you actually try...i used to study the pieces that were up at spots trying to figure out how people made the effects that they did...it's real nice when people hand shit over to you, either on the internet or in person, but it is so much more valuable when you know that you figured it out on your own...

[boxer_kid29]

I Never Had a mentor either I just read the books studied the peices in subway art and around my town. I never had a mentor because I don't knowlly get along with other writers I just mind myself.

[REGULATOR]

fact is most of these kids are from the suburbs and the only place they can learn about it is on the net....jtf i kno you hate me already and you think im some dumb kid...but i can honestly say i did not learn graff from the net...true its fun scouring shops, racking shit you think looks like a good graff weapon, using it, realizing its the shit or thats its crap and washes off.....but you think kids from the burbs have the chance to see graffiti and experiance all that shit? haha the only place they can actaully see graffiti is in mags and on the net...and thats how they do it....fortunately we both live in a city that is blanketed in graff and only have to walk down the block to see bombing, only have to meet some kids in your school classes who are already in the scene, and it only takes a short time before you start meeting other writers on the streets, on buses, etc etc. ...when i started i was using magnums and testors spray paint and thought that was basically it, untill i met people that schooled me on everything...nice people that actually had the time to teach my stupid young ass a little bit about this shit...its all about your mentors

o yea...and the one graff question i asked on this site was "what is candy ink"....jtf already chewed me out on that one, but i have since learned what it is by trying different inks on muni panels and riding the lines searching for stains...it took me like 4 months...thanks jtf you coulda saved me all the fuckin trouble by just telling me god dammit!!!

[Are2]

Originally posted by boxer_kid29
you have to study what other writers are painting and mutate that into what you want it....

I Never Had a mentor either I just read the books studied the peices in subway art and around my town. I never had a mentor because I don't knowlly get along with other writers I just mind myself.

then how the fuck can you try and suggest that most people have a mentor?!
i never had a fucking mentor or a teacher...
actually, i had a bunch of shittalkers and haters instead..

and i disagree with your point that one must mutate what other writers are doing to become good..


WHATEVER HAPPENED TO ORIGINALITY?

[imported_b0b]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force

I just want an end to all these dumb fucking questions.

[wiseguy]

Everything is changing in graf, even its infiltration into the fashion world heralds a new wave that will ultimately decimate graffiti.

[SIEGE 1 NJ]

I was doing a quick simple styled piece on this pretty clear wall by an underpass, near a pretty sick NEWA piece. I went to go flick it and I noticed that his piece was somewhat scribbled over by local kids who just wanted to paint their names, insignias, and what not. As shitty as it is for writers to put in their time in a piece and have it be covered by a bunch of ignorant careless kids wanting to right "Chris + Jane" or "Joe rules"... I kinda feel for them. Graffiti is graffiti, the same feeling of just wanting to right your name where you are or where you live so others are going to see it, is where this whole thing stems from. I love graffiti, from a fucking burners to "Bob Waz Here" scribblings on a bench. From throws to some kid writing "fuck the cops" on a bridge. It's still sucks that Newa's shit was marred but I think discrediting those forms of writing is missing part of the picture.
Just some words.

[SE4_2002]

You heard of Siege from England thats in TFW, MOAS. VIMS??

[SIEGE 1 NJ]

Yo,

Yeah, after I chose the name and painted it a bunch, I read somewhere about a London writer who painted trains and shit in the 90's who uses SIEGE. I addded the 1, but I figured he wasn't big enough for making SIEGE 1 useless, especially for the shit I do.... do you think different?

[SIEGE 1 NJ]

Not to forget London being light years away from Jersey.

[SE4_2002]

Siege is known all over the place, I think nearly every wirter that has some type of knowledge of Graffiti has heard of him, but as you said New Jersey is a long way away..

[ASER1NE]

What ever happened to finding shit out on your own?
WERD !

[Whoa1]

Yeah, I'm getting sick of all these stupid questions.

[richard kyel]

jewish task force im with you. man my favorite part of graff is playing fuckin mcgiver. being stuck in the middle of nowhere and using a tampon and some fabric die to catch tags. fuckin with cans holding them upside down while standing on one foot to see if your lines are thinner. the less advice you get in graff the more fun it is. i used to turn these little prescription ear drops bottles into markers and if a cop asked i just told em i was very prone to ear infections and shit. i remember the first time i figured out how to get thin and even thickness outlines i thought i was so fuckin pumped. i hate when kids come on here and ask where to start cause if they cant figure out where to start and think its something that should be taught theyre just fucked .. alll the fun is going from being absolutly shittty and seeing yourself develop into something. ohh shit man if i didnt start writting i dont know what the fuck id do in my spare time. dude i used to thin out bic ink and even put that shit in my ink recipes. we used to turn bic pens into somewhat fat tipped markers and they looked like they were just bic pens. used to take paints that had nice and color and where just thin. shake em for about two minutes. put em upside down in a milk crate for two days. than carefully stand em upright with out shaking em and spray out a bunch of the solvent and gloss that way we would have nice thick colors. man i used to be all into taking nothing and making it into something great.. i dont really have the time to anymore but graff experiments have given me more pleasure than my right hand in 7th grade. oh well im done talking

[EViLPRiCK]

i suppose im a new comer, but eh... ive tried making my own caps.. quite successful, and when ever i see an aerosol can, i check see if its male :o so you cant say its all of us... but yea.. most new comers are fucking lazy :( and its sad to see the "scene" polluted by teens thinking its cool to write cuss words on the wall and call it graffiti

[Cracked Ass]

Are2 said it best in her first comment on page 1.
I have to say I'm feeling JTF's complaint, but NOT his follow-up actions. Yes, there's a lot of herbs asking dumb shit. But if you want an end to the dumb questions, that's easy...stay out of this forum. I do. I come into the Yard maybe once every 3 months now, mostly for laughs.
JTF, one of your comments is the answer to the other one. You said that no amount of internet-derived knowledge can substitute for experience. Exactly!! So why do you sweat internet herbs so much? Just laugh and paint over 'em - if they paint at all!
Think of the graffiti game as an ongoing road race. You have come far in a car you built yourself, and perhaps some justifiable pride in your self-sufficiency. So what if a bunch of newbies are buying sleek prefab cars? They still can't fucking drive!! You're way ahead, why waste time looking in the rearview? That's all you're doing by complaining on here.

[worldoflies]

it seems to me that most kids are actually worse off as writers for all this new shit being discussed. an astute and artistically talented minority are able to imitiate what they see in mags and get "good" fast, but most young kids coming up today seem worse in every way than there counterparts five or ten years ago.

as for going ever, i make an effort to take wack shit out. im saving these kids the embarassment of their bullshit being seen so they should be thanking me.

[imported_Jewish Task Force]

Originally posted by Cracked Ass
Are2 said it best in her first comment on page 1.
I have to say I'm feeling JTF's complaint, but NOT his follow-up actions. Yes, there's a lot of herbs asking dumb shit. But if you want an end to the dumb questions, that's easy...stay out of this forum. I do. I come into the Yard maybe once every 3 months now, mostly for laughs.
JTF, one of your comments is the answer to the other one. You said that no amount of internet-derived knowledge can substitute for experience. Exactly!! So why do you sweat internet herbs so much? Just laugh and paint over 'em - if they paint at all!
Think of the graffiti game as an ongoing road race. You have come far in a car you built yourself, and perhaps some justifiable pride in your self-sufficiency. So what if a bunch of newbies are buying sleek prefab cars? They still can't fucking drive!! You're way ahead, why waste time looking in the rearview? That's all you're doing by complaining on here.

The shit just annoys the fuck out of me, basically what I want to do is show these schmucks that it takes alot more than coming on the net and learning all the secrets that used to get passed down.

Fuck yeah I laugh at them. Just like I laugh at all the fake ass Hot-Topic wannabe punkrockers. Same principle. I just wanted to make a point, and alot of people agreed. Honestly I only come in here now to respond to this thread.

[grandmaster]

I found out everything for myself.I still spend whole days looking for odd markers and products.I hate the way It has become a popular culture .ALSO ANY CUNT WHO CALLS WRITING ..GRAFFING IS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS TREND.The internet has made secrets dissapear thats another annoying fact.Oh well

[SeYnO9]

where have all the secrets gone... i cant wait til graff becomes an endangered species... it will be on some do or die shit... i hate 2 call myself a skater cus fuckin thugs on my block are in getting in 2 skating..

[I45_TEXAS_I45]

^^^haha...never seen a thug ...skate in NORTHSIDE,,
that would be funny

[BURZUM]

Im just waiting for my favorite writer to get his own Wheaties box.

[crazy cre8]

Why is every one bitching about stupid shit like this so what if its easier to find out about graff now it happens to everything there is videos that teach you how to break dance! just you do your thing and let every one else do theirs :( boo fuckin hoo

[HAL]

Originally posted by BURZUM
Im just waiting for my favorite writer to get his own Wheaties box.

Dude...that would be so funny. Hahaha.

"Totem, world graffiti champion 2012!!!! Totem eats his wheaties!!!! Buy now, paint like Totem later!!!!!"

[Dexter]

Yeah, the internet can be evil like that.... Figuring out things on your own is so much more rewarding.

[virus]

it dipress u when u try somthing for a long time and then it dosent work

[YinzerXpress]

its definatly better to learn shit on your own, esp when it comes to paint techniques and shit, so you can find out the shit you are good at and like to do... i also like to make crazy markers, and im getting into the ink making arena as well, shit is dope

[jackass1er]

there are a lot of jewish looking
people living here in florida

[*die*]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
What ever happened to finding shit out on your own?
simple and plain
people got lazy

[Mr Fukshitup]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
I just dont like the fact that graffiti is pre-packaged nowadays. It makes it too easy and any old asshole can do it. You have all these idiots that are in-it-for-a-minute that blow shit up for the real dedicated writers that have been in the game for years and the writers that have just started but have a genuine love and dedication to graffiti.


This is the age of information, not only graffiti is experiencing a deteriorating sense of craftsmanship. Everything is prepackaged nowadays, you don´t really have to know anything to get by anymore.

How many people can actually build something with their own hands?

Not many, and this is how it is with most crafts, people are getting lazy.

Traditional craftsmanship where someone did something by themselves, and not just put together prefabricated parts, is dying.

[CRYrock81]

you break my heart into a thousand peices.......and you say its because i deserve better?????

[coolcon2]

you cant live in the past,and for better or worse,the internet has changed grafitti,i think its mostly better,true kids arent learning by trial and error,which is a shame,but this new generation of kids who only see it on the internet,the ones that stick with it will kill the suburbs,and go to college,or just relocate to big cities,and get up,more writers=less buff,and as usual,the fronters will get hated and the good ones will get hated even more

[killtheradio]

i have only been writin for like a year and half but y the fuck do kids/peers think its so damn cool like man ur a tagger i cant stand the fact of a non writer knowin i write. ??

[B_As_In_Bot]

Finding out stuff on youre own was great, more rewarding, more sacred. I personally believe that boards like 12 oz. are going to responsible for the demise of many writers and graffiti in general. People come in here and immediatly incriminate themselves, on a fame-seeking impulse. Thats totally the wrong way to go about it. Flicks are great when you looking at the actual picture,among trusted friends, but when its put on the internet - You increase the risk of being caught. Which I dont feel as "worth it" a few heads give you props and cops take your name and anything they can find out about down on paper. The fuckin Vandal Squads doesnt get paid for nothing. (in reality they do, but thats another story)

Self promotion via internet = Bad idea

[FACELIFT]

JEWISH TASK FORCE JUST SOUNDS LIKE SOME OLD-ASS NEW YORK TRAIN WRITER WHOSE IDEA OF "BOMBING" WAS TO BRING TWO PIZZA PIES AND A CASE OF BEER TO A LAY-UP YARD IN THE BRONX AND PAINT FOR SEVEN HOURS, WHO NOW CALLS GRAFFITI "PLAYED OUT, EASY, AND SOFT."

I'M SURE I'M NOT ANY YOUNGER THAN JEWISH TASK FORCE, I OBVIOUSLY THINK GRAFF IS PATHETICALLY MORE ACCESSIBLE, BUT WHO GIVES A SHIT.
DON'T GET BITTER AND STANK, WHINING BECAUSE YOUR ROMANTICALLY IDEALIZED "SACRED" AND "UNDERGROUND" PASSION IS NOW A CORPORATE MARKETING STRATEGY IT'S A REALITY.

PLUS, IF YOUR MOMMY AND DADDY MADE THE SEX A COUPLE YEARS LATER, YOU WOULD BE THE SAME FUCKING TOY THAT YOU'RE SO IRATE ABOUT. DEFINETLY, SO DON'T LIE TO YOURSELF.

[E2S2K]

Yeah I agree with you JEWTF. But I don't like the fact that If I ask a simple question like "where is the marsh at cuz I can't find any" that I get fools talkin about how I should research my shit and search for it, put in work instead of lookin for quick and easy answers. I fuckin have for years and every lead go's shitty. I don't like to network or meet new writers so I find it harder to get certain products.

["XWAY"]

Kids got no heart for this shit around here lik me!

[humanshield]

I'm so damn bored .

[spaces]

im off topic but space where u live at.

[imported_tEkRoCkS]

Originally posted by FACELIFT
JEWISH TASK FORCE JUST SOUNDS LIKE SOME OLD-ASS NEW YORK TRAIN WRITER WHOSE IDEA OF "BOMBING" WAS TO BRING TWO PIZZA PIES AND A CASE OF BEER TO A LAY-UP YARD IN THE BRONX AND PAINT FOR SEVEN HOURS, WHO NOW CALLS GRAFFITI "PLAYED OUT, EASY, AND SOFT."

I'M SURE I'M NOT ANY YOUNGER THAN JEWISH TASK FORCE, I OBVIOUSLY THINK GRAFF IS PATHETICALLY MORE ACCESSIBLE, BUT WHO GIVES A SHIT.
DON'T GET BITTER AND STANK, WHINING BECAUSE YOUR ROMANTICALLY IDEALIZED "SACRED" AND "UNDERGROUND" PASSION IS NOW A CORPORATE MARKETING STRATEGY IT'S A REALITY.

PLUS, IF YOUR MOMMY AND DADDY MADE THE SEX A COUPLE YEARS LATER, YOU WOULD BE THE SAME FUCKING TOY THAT YOU'RE SO IRATE ABOUT. DEFINETLY, SO DON'T LIE TO YOURSELF.
Its Amazing how stupid you are.

[theta]

well i havent been doin graf for nearly as long as most of the cats talkin in this thread, but i personally feel the internet and most new graf media as an inspiration to go write, like a skater would watch a skate video to get him pumped for skating. i dont use the internet as a how to, or read the 12 oz threads so i can find things out i couldnt find out on my own. i think the new age of graf is one where writers can unite and share ideas, not hate or find quick and easy 'graffiti writer tutorials'. and since i dont really know many other people near me that write, if i didnt have the internet or magazines i would have no idea what kind of styles are going on around the world. however i do agree that the mailorder graf shops take things a bit too far. thats my piece

[GnomeToys]

I came here because I like looking at peoples flicks and they're here in abundance... If the board has taught me anything its not to become an elitist prick who yells "TOY" at everyone who has the balls to post shit here... if I wanted to do that I'd become an upper class art snob. :twitch:

[rubbish heap]

basically, someone can tell you how good/bad a certain brand/color of paint is, or how permanent a certain ink is, but until you see for yourself you'll never know completely. this thread is an inspiration for me... not just what JTW said, but as a whole. thanks.

[shor]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
What ever happened to finding shit out on your own? When I first started writing there was no internet, there were no magaiznes, there were no mailorder or walk in shops for graff shit. I mean, I had more fun trying new pens, inks, paints, etc. than actually doing the graff. now you have all these kids coming on here and asking questions, ordering pre packaged graffiti shit, reading mags(no disrespect to mags), and reading books(no diss either). I didnt find out about any books or videos until I had been writing for about 5 years. Its great that kids are getting into graff because of these things, dont get me wrong, but I mean cmon, find out about shit on yur own, please. It just makes you love and appreciate graffiti just that much more. Just dont ask dumb questions, if you are wondering how something works or how to make something, try it. Hey, who knows, in the process you might learn something new. It seems like that integral part of graffiti is going away.

On a side note: If you have all the best markers, paints, caps, inks, etc. It doesnt make you a better writer. You cant buy skill. You still have to put in work and do graffiti. That is the only thing that will make you better. Dedication, time, skill and a love for what you are doing.





i havent been writing nearly as long as anyone. however, i agree with you 100%... but there is also another side to argu

if people learn on their own, they might learn the wrong way creating spots that get heated out and beef between writers... but you could also say thats one more thing to learn. shits tough, no real chill spots around my area unless you want to hang out behind a building and fuck around.. but thats no way to get up, all i want to do is hardcore stuff, i just cant find the spots or i can find them but cant get to them... i geuss ill just have to LEARN ON MY OWN and find out how to get up on roofs, and other shit ay?... im glad you posted this thread, it along with everyones replies, totally makes me want to say fuck asking for feedback, and fuck what people htink... who needs to impress other people anyways? fuck those people who do shit for other people...

DO SHIT FOR YOURSELF YOU LONELY ASSHOLES!

;o) i am dedicated... i just need my liscence, then everything will be a-okay..

[shai]

i think that this board exists for informative purposes....therefore, the point is moot, as far as i'm concerned. i will share tips with people but i generally keep the good stuff to myself. sorry kids, but that's life.

[wyze]

Yo, im young and a rookie, and probably guilty of some of the shit you guys are talkin about, but mostly I agree. Some kids just wanna look bad, like with cigarettes and rich kids shopliffting. Hell, at my school it was at one point COOL to have a tag, and no one used them. That pissed me and the only other two writters off, no doubt. Kids these days need to focus the paint they use on creating art and messages, not just bad boy immage. Can we get away from these gun toting messages scrawled on walls with no handstyle, please? how bout something more deep if your just gonna put up handstyle, and some pieces, please please please pieces, and good ones. Make those rooftops beautiful. I have to admit though, internet is nice in places where graffiti isnt prevolant. It makes it easier to get good paint and caps (there is only like one store in DC that sells caps, although i do make my own). Anyway, you guys are the vets, so i just thought id give you props and stuff....and dont worry, ive never said 'graffin'
Peace

[shai]

personally, i think it's cute when kids start writing and they say things like, "what's a fat cap?" and "look at my new magnum! isn't it fresh?" but, it's sad when the kids are in their late twenties and still trying to catch up online. har-de-har-har-har.

[Jackson]

Originally posted by SE4_2002
Another thing that annoy`s me is when they keep using the word"GRAFFIN" makes me cringe every time I hear it!
innnnnnnnnniiiiiiiittttt!!!!!

[ODS-1]

GRAFFIN'!

[wunka chunka]

ok heres my theory.... i am guilty for alot of shit that yall are sayin.... but... after readin all this i got some sense slapped in to me... im not one of those people who just mess around and tag on other peoples art work just for fun, and i dont think it should go commericial , actually i kinda agree with jtf ..... but its ok to come here once in a while just to get tips.. but shit go research it on your own its ok to do it on the internet but atleast research and read or read books about it if u dont have a friend whos a writer to kinda guide you..... but dont just ask everything u want to know to experienced writers on this forum and get the easy way out.. thats not life ... thats not hip hop man.... im a beginer in this game call me a toy if u want.. but i still have love for this .... im constantly thinkin of what are good walls to bomb and constantly always doodle on all my fuckin school work kill like 10 sheets of paper with just bunch of tags or practice to get better within like 5 minutes.... i love this shit.... i know society says its vandalism but its a expression.... and its a statement .... society is fucked up... just like how they let a fucking huge ass camel ciggareten billboard sign for the whole world to see that kills 50 people an hour [literally] but they cant accept this pure art with a statement or a story .... and i know this ... i knowe the main point of graff to get recognizition but for me its to make a statement ...... but anyways all im sayin is that... u should at least read about it not just ask peole and get right away answers/... thats aight once in a while but research and read if u dont have any writer freinds... thats my opinion on all this

[AlwaysBombin]

You fuckin hypocritical piece of shit...you preach about researching on you own when you come on here askin every question that popped into that little toybox you call a brain...Whats a hollow? LMFAO, go kill yourself and every1 who looks like you

[king kong]

:lol:

[mow7]

Well My theory,

I'm writing now for 3 a 4 months and it's for me like a addiction to making nice things always to get higher and have nice scketzes and My first time going out with can, could be this day.

Well this is my first post, I had to say keep up the good work :)

[maskedvandal]

t unitttttt!!

[mow7]

hehe :)

[piece415]

daytime=making ink + racking supplies
nightime=bombing till you can hardly walk

[ODS-1]

sjhfjkasehfjkasd this thread sivch

[trygr]

Originally posted by theta
well i havent been doin graf for nearly as long as most of the cats talkin in this thread, but i personally feel the internet and most new graf media as an inspiration to go write, like a skater would watch a skate video to get him pumped for skating. i dont use the internet as a how to, or read the 12 oz threads so i can find things out i couldnt find out on my own. i think the new age of graf is one where writers can unite and share ideas, not hate or find quick and easy 'graffiti writer tutorials'. and since i dont really know many other people near me that write, if i didnt have the internet or magazines i would have no idea what kind of styles are going on around the world. however i do agree that the mailorder graf shops take things a bit too far. thats my piece


Word.:lick:

[trygr]

i wasn't trying to quote that, dammit!

[paulyshore]

tell me if you know this guy:

i only paint freights ..moniker this, streaks that..ive done like tons of trains..rare boxcar this.rail fan that..fuck walls..throw ups suck..then he name drops some other freight guys he knows..style he is into..and vibes you hard with his mesh hat..then takes his of mexican decent tape and puts on some slayer..
maybe you know his friend:

fuck trains..you cant tag, rack paint this, i only do throw ups..fuck hip hop..name drop some hardcore dudes he met..i cant read your shit you suck..you bite this..im so hard with my spike belt..my heads so big fuck you ive been writing for like a year before you started..my hoods so hard..and hip..pbr beltbuckle motherfucker..

mother fuckers are the same everywhere i go..i just laugh

[RubbeRBand]

Does anyone know where they sell those little blue white out pens anymore. Bic stopped making them which sucks, but does anyone know a shop that still sells them at a good rate. You know the ones I'm talking about, for writing on fr*eats and do*in trowlups & stufff.

[TREDAWG]

I'VE BEEN WRITING SINCE 1984 AND ALL I EVER HAD WAS RIVALRY AND ENEMIES WHICH WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME CUZ WITHOUT THEM,I WOULD JUST GIVE IT UP ALTOGETHER I REMEMBER RACKING A SHITLOAD OF CANS,STEALING TESTOR CAPS FOR SKINNY LINES,IT'S LIKE WHATEVER IT WAS,I HAD TO LEARN ON MY OWN.OF COURSE EVERYBODY BITES,BUT NOWADAYS IT SEEMS LIKE TOYS WANT TO STEAL A WHOLE STYLE.DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER I'LL BE IN THE GAME...I CONTINUE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BEST TO MY KNOWLEDGE.I GUESS IT'S COOL TO SAY THAT I WANT TO BE REMEBERED CUZ YOU GOOD AS DEAD WHEN THEY DON'T.BE ORIGINAL,FIND YOUR OWN STYLE AND DO IT WELL...PEACE

[EVENSAYIXSAY]

WORD!

[LoVe]

:lick: ok so the way I see it is..... if you want to draw cartoons you study cartoons you talk to people who draw characters you get in to that. right so its just like if you were in school. right now im getting in to psychokinesis its like that matrix shit where that kid bends the spoon , well anyways you get in to things you talk to people and find out in anyway possible. so I think its cool that the internets there in case you really need to know something and no one around you seems to know about psychokinesis. but jew I agree that some people take it a little too far. unless you live in a hole or something im sure you know where to find paint. "surroundings are gonna dictate the need" ATMOSPHERE

[ralphy.sj]

time keeps on slipping by..back when it was cool to wear shorts that had your ballsack hanging out the leg hole..velcro shoes and ol school skates that weigh like 15 pounds.. but the youngsters these days have a lot of shittiness that wasnt around before like mad guns and newer crazier drugs..its cool to get into the graf if you stay into it..i agree alot of chumps write for like a month..blame the media moguls for selling graf and hiphop like it was air and we all need air..fuck the corprization of graf

[girl23]

yo all yall have points but we all are kids crank in a world were war iz a large we have the tools to exspress we are talking climbing gear to go any were internet to change the speed of our large world claberation so inside this iz learning to old school pas the knowlege take respons bode has no boundries follow our general master dondi and schoolda kids couse they will teach us.....yall are dope the comments are sweet here::

[vynlone]

Originally posted by girl23
yo all yall have points but we all are kids crank in a world were war iz a large we have the tools to exspress we are talking climbing gear to go any were internet to change the speed of our large world claberation so inside this iz learning to old school pas the knowlege take respons bode has no boundries follow our general master dondi and schoolda kids couse they will teach us.....yall are dope the comments are sweet here::

Ever heard of a full stop or a comma?
That post made fuck all sense to me.

:lol:

[girl23]

Yo were,s your shit hater I,d love to see you stuff? is it posted.blank blank..I thought so . Any one out there know of DONDI WHITE

[slave_one]

face it people - times are changing - accept the fact that kids these days are learning a whole new way... yes, many, and i mean MANY, will bite, many will fall off quicker than they got on, but then there are those few that stick, go thru the whole process of learning graffiti, and come back full circle... damn i wish work was over already!!

[earo 35]

i have only been writin for like a year and half but y the fuck do kids/peers think its so damn cool like man ur a tagger i cant stand the fact of a non writer knowin i write. ??
the same shit happens to me. except its even worse for me. all those loser preps and white boys somehow find out i write and they swear they're cool enough for me to do their names. this got to a point where it was so many people askin me that i started chargin money. only the rich white boys and preps were able buy my shit, now, i dont get bothered that much, and i make enough money to buy a new pair of adidas every 2 months. god im smart, just today i got an offer to make shirts for some guys new clothing line. who knows, i might be the next Marc Ecko

[ThePoet]

On the subject, I try a few thing that people say are good, a few things I'm hesitant with, but I try most, but if I find something I like I don't let other peoples opinions sway me from my choice, I stick to what I like and don't just follow the trend.And again, I agree with everything every one has said about the kids bargin in and quitn when they get board. And about those fluro colors, what is with those they look so ugly and off beat, unless you can find other colors to match. As for my crew and I , when it comes to the kids/toys, we have fun letting them do there shit around were we roll. We keep them from knowing who we are and let them do stupid shit in stupid places, and with there hyperactiveness of going all over and telln everyone , we can do our thing and it keeps the heat away from us.

[ThePoet]

Originally posted by earo 35
the same shit happens to me. except its even worse for me. all those loser preps and white boys somehow find out i write and they swear they're cool enough for me to do their names. this got to a point where it was so many people askin me that i started chargin money. only the rich white boys and preps were able buy my shit, now, i dont get bothered that much, and i make enough money to buy a new pair of adidas every 2 months. god im smart, just today i got an offer to make shirts for some guys new clothing line. who knows, i might be the next Marc Ecko

whats the deal with maken money , oh well what ever floats your boat. I hate when people know, really its impossible to keep low when your in school cause the people sittn next to you see you doin stuff, and there is no way your gonna get me to stop cause I will not go all day with out drawing. I hate when people ask you to do their names, I was at work and this chick kept on bothering me, so I finally just did it to get her off my back, now she wants me to paint it in her room. But I have to say, the funniest thing is when you put up your name all over the city, then certain kids at school come up to you and ask you who the hell is so n so cause they are all over the place, then you just play it off like dude I don't know but they're fuckn awsome, then you can just get a laugh from it. Good stuff:lol:

[WorldBench]

On a side note: If you have all the best markers, paints, caps, inks, etc. It doesnt make you a better writer. You cant buy skill. You still have to put in work and do graffiti. That is the only thing that will make you better. Dedication, time, skill and a love for what you are doing. best quote in a while

[B_As_In_Bot]

There still are many things to be found out by oneself, I discover all kinds of goodies on my own, graff related all the time. 12 oz just helps learning the basics, not to mention all the great flicks it provides. I can safley say its a good thing, its like schooling for the toys..I dont wanna sit around watching toys act stupid untill they get busted - I wanna see them progress into decent bombers or writers.. If everybody starting doing it - It wouldnt be such a bad thing anymore - the more competition we have, the better we get. Everyone needs a little help, graff is an underground culture, the internet, as of now is still pretty underground. I see it as good thing, dont hate, just because you had to learn the slower, old-fashioned way.. That way is cool too, dont get me wrong. Just except it - This site is doing a great service to those who need it. I just dont think people should be so willing the state what they write here, you cant really trust anyone these days. Im mean for all we really know - this site could operated by the vandal squad in an effort to make one giant sweep..

(I doubt that it is..Im just throwing that in there as an example)

[JeffLebowski]

A writer since the begining has used all available resources to their benefit. The Internet is yet another tool a writer can use to their benefit. Anything at the hands of some one who is wise will prove to be a strong weapon. Arm yourselves to the teeth and come out swingin'.

[earo 35]

im the one who posted about selling peoples names to them and i started thinking just now... graffiti isnt about makin money, its about expressing your feelings or opinions through illegal forms, it kind of makes you wonder what todays youth has turned it into, back in the day, you would see it on a wall and you would give respect to the artist, but now its on clothing, its been used as decorations in other words. its amazing how unaware todays youth is of graffiti's history. wow.. i should be a preacher.. any ways thats some food for thought.

[ODS-1]

If I see someone with a graffiti shirt on I'm going to break thir legs and then beat thier head with them.

[earo 35]

If I see someone with a graffiti shirt on I'm going to break thir legs and then beat thier head with them.
.....hell, why not bust out a rocket launcher blow away their brains:idea:

[BlueStreaks]

Originally posted by catwash
just youngsters trying to look bad amongst their bad friends, going out with a tin of flouro montana and making the area look like shit. What makes them go for the flourescent colours? Is it the same everywhere?

And 'graffin', don't even get me started... untuck your fucking tracksuit and wear your fucking cap properly!
I'm a 'youngster'(dont get me into it)But I dont try to look badass,I do graffiti because I like it,its fun,art,and many more reasons.And I HATE the word 'graffin' also.

[Overtime]

<span style='color:sandybrown'>i just hate when people are l ike "are you goin taggin" or shit like that. </span>

[earo 35]

i just hate when people are l ike "are you goin taggin" or shit like that.
i knew some kid who asked me that and he didnt even know what tagging meant.:)

[STRYDER]

i know some of them DO wana learn, and some of them DO try. but for fucks sake toys can really piss u off sometimes. u see, my mate knows a few youngsters, 15 year olds, and the other night they wanted to come for a hit while we bombed (cos they needed a ride).... i spent more time tryin to show them how to do this, that or the other, or what caps to use with what cans etc etc than actually bombing anything...

i mean, i'm no grandmaster, but i know my shit.

kids:confused:

some of them have never heard of the word "initiative"

[earo 35]

hey stryder, what do yoo mean that cats arent fast???

[varo_who]

Originally posted by 455
hahahha................I hear they sell a "graffiti handbook" at B.Daltons............ k man thats a load of shit, im 14 i just recently started hell i mean i dont care how long it takes me2 get good i wouldnt use that kinda crap neday watz the point if u do? u just get good really quick and it removes half the fun

[210006]

Originally posted by varo_who
k man thats a load of shit, im 14 i just recently started hell i mean i dont care how long it takes me2 get good i wouldnt use that kinda crap neday watz the point if u do? u just get good really quick and it removes half the fun
The funny thing about this is that you dont learn by reading a book.. Learning by doing!

[earo 35]

u just get good really quick and it removes half the fun
half???... you mean all of it. getting up is the best part of graffiti

[STRYDER]

Originally posted by earo 35
hey stryder, what do yoo mean that cats arent fast???


haha. i was wondering when some one was gonna ask me that.

we have this cat next door to us, a ginger one, male, who is a fucken cunt. u cant pat it cos it attacks u and then runs away, sprays on a bush, and turns around an looks at u like it thinks its fast, like its the shit.


and they're not:mad:
lol

[8onus]

Originally posted by SIEGE 1 NJ
I was doing a quick simple styled piece on this pretty clear wall by an underpass, near a pretty sick NEWA piece. I went to go flick it and I noticed that his piece was somewhat scribbled over by local kids who just wanted to paint their names, insignias, and what not.

i hate that shit. in my area though its more gangs painting some stupid ass shit over a peice, or taking up wall that could be used for art. unfoutantly painting over the gang signs and shit is sometimes a risky call. when you piss them off it's not like pissing off another writer or crew who will beat your ass just enough to "teach you a lesson" they fucking go all out. i agree with the topic of this shit too. i am just picking up writing after dropping when i was sent to reform school years ago. its like im starting all over, i dont know any other writers around here(serious ones anyway) and dont really care if i meet em. i like to work alone, in peace (some of the only peace i ever get is at 3am under a freeway). i learn not soo much for mags and books but for the other shit i see around the city. and yeah, exactly, i try it out till i get it fucking right.(some yalls instructions blow anyway). a couple months ago i used like 10 cans of paint of a peice that a vetran would have used 2 and about 1/2 a can of 7 other colors. but thats what it fucking takes. learn from mistakes. if i fuck up, oh well, someone just paint over it and let me keep trying.

Letting Some Steam:
the other day i was in Home Depot (yes i buy my paint, fuck you, i wanna have a chance to use it) and i see these 16 year olds racking, i ask em what kinda shit they do and they're like "tags", i asked them if they did peices or had a black book and i recived a confused look. WTF, this shit is only art if your soul is behind it.

[CEOCAT]

Werd peeps need to get their own ideas. Now days any toy who can afford a pilot thinks their a writer. FUCK THAT. If you made your ass that mop, then get up with it, mad peeps dont know bout that. Learn your own...Get your own steez!:king: :king: :king: :king:

[CEOCAT]

Originally posted by 8onus
i hate that shit. in my area though its more gangs painting some stupid ass shit over a peice, or taking up wall that could be used for art. unfoutantly painting over the gang signs and shit is sometimes a risky call. when you piss them off it's not like pissing off another writer or crew who will beat your ass just enough to "teach you a lesson" they fucking go all out. i agree with the topic of this shit too. i am just picking up writing after dropping when i was sent to reform school years ago. its like im starting all over, i dont know any other writers around here(serious ones anyway) and dont really care if i meet em. i like to work alone, in peace (some of the only peace i ever get is at 3am under a freeway). i learn not soo much for mags and books but for the other shit i see around the city. and yeah, exactly, i try it out till i get it fucking right.(some yalls instructions blow anyway). a couple months ago i used like 10 cans of paint of a peice that a vetran would have used 2 and about 1/2 a can of 7 other colors. but thats what it fucking takes. learn from mistakes. if i fuck up, oh well, someone just paint over it and let me keep trying.

Letting Some Steam:
the other day i was in Home Depot (yes i buy my paint, fuck you, i wanna have a chance to use it) and i see these 16 year olds racking, i ask em what kinda shit they do and they're like "tags", i asked them if they did peices or had a black book and i recived a confused look. WTF, this shit is only art if your soul is behind it.

Werd. Mad toys rag dope shit with stock cap tags. And not even nice ones, just some 8th gade bullshit!

[SlipStyle]

what ever happened to dope threads with nothing but flix?

[timemachine]

word u expressed my feelings perfectly

[Death149 3BR]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force
What ever happened to finding shit out on your own? When I first started writing there was no internet, there were no magaiznes, there were no mailorder or walk in shops for graff shit. I mean, I had more fun trying new pens, inks, paints, etc. than actually doing the graff. now you have all these kids coming on here and asking questions, ordering pre packaged graffiti shit, reading mags(no disrespect to mags), and reading books(no diss either). I didnt find out about any books or videos until I had been writing for about 5 years. Its great that kids are getting into graff because of these things, dont get me wrong, but I mean cmon, find out about shit on yur own, please. It just makes you love and appreciate graffiti just that much more. Just dont ask dumb questions, if you are wondering how something works or how to make something, try it. Hey, who knows, in the process you might learn something new. It seems like that integral part of graffiti is going away.

On a side note: If you have all the best markers, paints, caps, inks, etc. It doesnt make you a better writer. You cant buy skill. You still have to put in work and do graffiti. That is the only thing that will make you better. Dedication, time, skill and a love for what you are doing.





When I started writing there were no magazines, books, WWW etc... either, but there were tons of heads that gladly dropped jewels of knowledge on us toys. We had school's full of other writers and writer's benches. 4-5 years later Style Wars and Subway Art emerged. That was "our" Internet and Magazines... Before that we had The Faith of Graffiti and various other low production books that we used as our Bibles and I started in the late 70's. We had Pearl Paint to learn art supplies from and un-caged paint racks.
True, when my IGT and Ghetto Art came out in the mid 80's we were amped... but we still looked back to Subway Art and Style Wars for inspiration. As I watched the trains fade from memory and the sense of community deteriorate before my eyes as the Writers Benches and Photo stations disappeared and became irrelevant Videograf and these other magazines became ever more important to us and future writers. They filled in the blanks for the up and coming writers and I for one am proud to be in the early issues of Videograf and many of those early magazines.

Bottom line... We were not superior, we just had a community that the youth today lack. And for my brothers who started this whole thing a decade or so before me... Face facts, there were no fences on the yards and Vandal Squad was not near as savvy as when I started or even a quarter as sophisticated as when I retired from doing clean trains. The learning curve was never more severe for them than for us. They could establish the trends and the methodology, we just had to adapt to the times.

Let's keep it real

Deathos149eroc
3BR GTF UMXS
www.XSNRG.net (http://www.XSNRG.net)

[CrazyLazy]

It's true. I didn't start way back then or anything, but I can still see that the community of writers isn't what it used to be. The reason why people come on here and ask stupid questions is because writers these days seem to be more exclusive. What happened to all the writers in the school knowing everyone? Well, that's not what it's like here anyways.

[STRYDER]

put it this way, places like 12oz and bombing science have become the new writers benches of old. kinda the same thing only now online.
but as everyone knows it doesn't stop there.:cry2: :nope:

[rinse]

Originally posted by earo 35
... just today i got an offer to make shirts for some guys new clothing line. who knows, i might be the next Marc Ecko

fuck some tierd-ass mark ecko. his line was hotness back in '95 but season after season since then has been seariously busted up gear.

[Death149 3BR]

Originally posted by STRYDER
put it this way, places like 12oz and bombing science have become the new writers benches of old. kinda the same thing only now online.
but as everyone knows it doesn't stop there.:cry2: :nope:


I agree... But this format has a big disadvantage... Just as easily as we read this... So do the cops. Hell, they can post here just as easy too and mislead lesser in the know of us. They can easily create tension in our circles. This is as much of a tool for law enforcement as it is for young toys.

[Death149 3BR]

Letting Some Steam:
the other day i was in Home Depot (yes i buy my paint, fuck you, i wanna have a chance to use it) and i see these 16 year olds racking, i ask em what kinda shit they do and they're like "tags", i asked them if they did peices or had a black book and i recived a confused look. WTF, this shit is only art if your soul is behind it. [/b]

I am going to dispell a myth... Graffiti has not always been about art since the creation of the Masterpiece back in the day. I bombed the BMTs with dozens of writers that not only were incapable of piecing, had no respect for pieces but they had no ambition to ever piece. I bombed with a defunct crew named TCK from Coney Island... All they did was start beef then stab and shoot their way out of it (Most of them are dead now)... But they got up like motherfuckers. I litterally have known hundreds of writers that could not do more than a throwie or a tag. Shit, there is a guy out now in NYC named Map... He still can't do a throwup and I first ran into him in the late 80's. Writers have always been a diverse group.

[STRYDER]

i've never quite understood people who couldn't do anything more than a throw up or tag, and are quite content to just keep it that way:nut:.

[Death149 3BR]

Originally posted by STRYDER
i've never quite understood people who couldn't do anything more than a throw up or tag, and are quite content to just keep it that way:nut:.

I guess you have to analyse Writers... We do what we do for a reason and depending on your capabilities and where your priorities lie is where you delegate the majority of your resources and emerge as the writer you become.
all I wanted to do when I started writing in '78 was do characters. I hated tags and pieces (forget about throw-ups, LOLOL).
Then I came to the conclusion... I am 11 years old, how the hell can I get known doing characters without doing my name? So I learned to piece in blackbooks so people knew who I was. then I began to realize due to my age restrictions, I could only sneak out the house but so many times a month so when I got to a layup, I had to do as much damage as possible. I started bombing with tags on the 2, 3, 4 & 5's. I got most of my fame from throw-ups and tags. For years I had no ambition to piece. I had part of the Cap mentality... Not the biggest or the most beautifulest but he most. If I had lacked artistic talent I wolud have never done a piece and would have been content instead of the hundreds or pieces I painted. My photobooks would be full of throwups instead of pieces and burners.
My partner at the time Sane (RIP) got me into burning but I still kept bombing... Through the wars with JA, Ven, Reas and everything. I caught their pieces and they caught mine... Till eventually I was back to bombing again... I diverted all my time to tracking down their shit and crushing it till Cope2 squashed the beef. so I totally understand the mentality of not piecing... I got all the fame I needed without piecing which was ever more important when my beef was with someone like JA who did not piece. He dissed one of my burners so I had to take out 200 of his throwups to make up for it and I did. My beef with Ven and Reas was easier cause I could take out their cars, eye for an eye.

[STRYDER]

well yea...in that respect i do understand but being a piecer tends to be more widely respected, amongst the public, your family etc cos its seen from an artists point of view. i've never done a piece before, i've only ever bombed and tagged but have always sketched many a piece in a blackbook at the same time. sorta like a natural progression for once i started piecing i would be half way there. i feel the only thing stopping me from getting any better is the fact i buy my cans (can't rack cos i've got too much to sacrifice if caught, its a reality). the cash situation isn't too flash at the moment, so you get my drift.

piecing tends to make infrastructure look a little better. its clean and more widely accepted. people see you as more of an artist than a vandal. but thats from a general point of view. i can appreciate both frames of mind, seeing it not only the way the public would view/ opinionate it, but also the way a writer would. i think you learn to whether you want to or not. in a sense, i did.

[STRYDER]

Originally posted by Death149 3BR
I guess you have to analyse Writers... We do what we do for a reason and depending on your capabilities and where your priorities lie is where you delegate the majority of your resources and emerge as the writer you become.

i agree, this puts things into perspective.....

[0RB1T0N3R]

:o :o :o

[STRYDER]

Originally posted by 0RB1T0N3R
:o :o :o

what r u embarrassed about?

[deanh99]

i noticed this about myself. i cant get enuf of the writters who came before me the styles the spots they did i got so many names stored in my head. but the thing that pisses me of the most is that it cant be like 1996 were fukers were bombin the fuk outta sht. every thing about this art form leavs me wanting more i dont give a fuk my mind is deep in this sht.and yeah im one of those younsters but fukit iv been doin this shit since the third grade im almost outa high school now.

[RuMplStilskN]

hahaha....

This whole page has been very very optimistic.!
-But still some of the more interesting conversations posted on 12oz.
aside from all the normal drama..
Personally i never get tired of it.

Nice Insights!

[STRYDER]

Originally posted by RuMplStilskN
hahaha....

This whole page has been very very optimistic.!
-But still some of the more interesting conversations posted on 12oz.
aside from all the normal drama..
Personally i never get tired of it.

Nice Insights!

too right.if only the rest of 12oz would follow and add to the insights in more threads like this:mexican:

[gatita]

I agree with both JTF and with kids posting stuff opposite to his opinions.

But everyone, go to ANY scene board online, or talk to any kid in any "scene" whether music, art, sports whatever.

They will most likely tell you "ohh it used to be so good, less wana-bes, less this, less that." Folks, congratulations, youve grown up.

You were once they.

Some kids, somewhere, thought of you as some lil pathetic tool who probably wont amount to anything graffiti wise.

And why let it bother you that some kid is barely learning jack and slightly 'messing stuff up'? He'll be gone soon enough. It should just push you and make you want to be a better artist.

my2cents
:D

[STRYDER]

Originally posted by gatita
But everyone, go to ANY scene board online, or talk to any kid in any "scene" whether music, art, sports whatever.

They will most likely tell you "ohh it used to be so good, less wana-bes, less this, less that." Folks, congratulations, youve grown up.

You were once they.


im gonna have to eat a huge chunk of humble pie and bow out in shame. gatita, u couldn't be more right. i think in a way we are all guilty in way or another.

:bawling:

but seriousily

[de]

graffiti in todays world is differnt then back in the day but what about in 10 years where will graffiti be fucking MARS dude things change ... but I do belive what ur saying

to the topic starter

[junior]

I am new painting though I try, I am not that good so I look for pointers online but I dont order prepackaged stuff, I try out new new things and everything but there is no where in my town to get decent moarkers or caps,

P.S for all you new ppl like me dont ever buy the half size cans That was the biggest fucking mistake of my life. I only really do bombs and I try throw ups but I am not that good,

all those ppl that dont know shit bout painting and r dicking around r posers and dont disserve to paint.

[STRYDER]

dude.... i'd avoid making any statements as such if ur new to graff. lay low until u actually know some history.

[doesntcrush]

im still down to bust the occasional "fuck you" off to the side of my shit.

[KuiK]

we could sit here sayin it was good back in the day, but peeps taht start now will say that in 5 years and so on. Shite changes too often... also we were all new to graff at one point so if uve been doing it longer could mean ur just older. New generations are bound to occur and the internet seems to be a major foundation of this generation. so if you are part of this generation my reccomendation is get off the internet and go paint something instead of laerning how to bite a styles just enough so it looks like your own. peace
ps.. nice thread

[STRYDER]

in terms of the above, i think the net has had a negative on the graff on the whole, and as u say,kids come online and.............yea well u all catch my drift.

it can't be said enough though

[Chance Em Redy]

Originally posted by STRYDER@Sep 19 2004, 10:25 AM
in terms of the above, i think the net has had a negative on the graff on the whole, and as u say,kids come online and.............yea well u all catch my drift.

it can't be said enough though
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i like to think the internet has only done positives to the graff game. with the aid of the internet, anyone with a computer can be exposed to the greatest contributors to the art. the only thing we cant control is how this influence is expressed through the kid exposed to it. if the kid a real writer at heart, he'll eventually improve and hopefully change the future of graff, positively.
The internet may bring on unwanted "wannabes", but i think the positive outweighs the good here.

[reXone]

Originally posted by Jewish Task Force@Jul 25 2002, 04:05 AM
What ever happened to finding shit out on your own? When I first started writing there was no internet, there were no magaiznes, there were no mailorder or walk in shops for graff shit. I mean, I had more fun trying new pens, inks, paints, etc. than actually doing the graff. now you have all these kids coming on here and asking questions, ordering pre packaged graffiti shit, reading mags(no disrespect to mags), and reading books(no diss either). I didnt find out about any books or videos until I had been writing for about 5 years. Its great that kids are getting into graff because of these things, dont get me wrong, but I mean cmon, find out about shit on yur own, please. It just makes you love and appreciate graffiti just that much more. Just dont ask dumb questions, if you are wondering how something works or how to make something, try it. Hey, who knows, in the process you might learn something new. It seems like that integral part of graffiti is going away.

On a side note: If you have all the best markers, paints, caps, inks, etc. It doesnt make you a better writer. You cant buy skill. You still have to put in work and do graffiti. That is the only thing that will make you better. Dedication, time, skill and a love for what you are doing.
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I hate when I hear older cats, or veterans complain about paying dues and shit... not knowing they are being hypocritical to what graffiti is all about, innovation..... If new ways are found to do things, go with it....its called evolution, live with it.... either way graff is what it is, if your a toy your a toy until you do something about it.

On a side note: I am a cat thats finding it all out on my own, none of the cats in Boston held a hand out to me. THey say they wanna help but fuck em.... but whether you learn from a book or not there is one thing youc ant get from a book, a mag, a video or the internet... Respect.

[SeOnEr]

Originally posted by junior@Sep 6 2004, 12:29 AM
I am new painting though I try, I am not that good so I look for pointers online but I dont order prepackaged stuff, I try out new new things and everything but there is no where in my town to get decent moarkers or caps,

P.S for all you new ppl like me dont ever buy the half size cans That was the biggest fucking mistake of my life. I only really do bombs and I try throw ups but I am not that good,

all those ppl that dont know shit bout painting and r dicking around r posers and dont disserve to paint.
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i like those half sized (pocket cans aka shortcuts)cans they are good for daytime tags...the smallest ive seen so far is the 30ml montana cans which are like a jumbo pilot cut in half...fucking insane stuff....but like i said, they are good for daytime tagging or heated spots, not throw ups and stuf....

[pissdrunk]

oh dude people that talk about..shit like they know...like i mean history..like old school hell yeah but if you just started writing and the only thing read is a couple of articles in your hip hop mag dont talk like you know everthing..cuase you dont....graff takes time people dont get good in a day......damn shit..hahaha

[SlipStyle]

werd ;)

[Gates]

yea seoner those shits are nice..you can carry those in your jacket and just hit up shit..

[anti-graffiti artist]

http://www.scratchdisc.com/graf/antigraffitiartist.jpg

[GEEB]

yea, most kids who go for throwies first off cant sketch for shit, and second they do it for 'attention" theyve go much to learn befor they go around and take up walls that real writers should be hitting, most of these kids are too scared to go after 9 oclock, punks.

[promiscuous]

good post, it's true. everything is being replaced by machines and the internet today. nobody wants to even go outside anymore.

[royaloner]

yeah u kids respect
i do
all i think about is graff,i dont read mags,i buy rusto,make my own doo doo green and ti leaf green inks,make my own caps from stocks

[graff goon]

i didnt have anyone teach me shit. and i wish i did, it would have made alot of shit alot easier. so i think its alright for younger less experienced writers to ask for tips. but to an extent dont come on here and ask to to use spray paint wheres chill walls and bullshit like that. only problums you cant get passed after your own trial and errors.

[iloveyoursister]

HAHAHAHA FEW WEEKS BACK WE WERE SITTING ON SOME BRIDGE JUST WATCHIN THE TRAINS GOING IN AND OUT OF THE YARD...


N THEN SOME 14-15 LIL SKATERS COME UP TO US AND THEIR LIKE "YO SO ARE YOU PEOPLE GUNA PIECE THEM TRAINS UP OR WHAT"


I FOUND IT QUITE FUNNY.

[Pearlpaint]

Any of you kids know how to turn a cell phone into a marker? Or any ideas how that might be possible. I have the ink and eraser. All I need is a good schematic.

[downsize60]

just try to be happy

[robJ]

Originally posted by iloveyoursister@Jan 23 2005, 10:50 AM
HAHAHAHA FEW WEEKS BACK WE WERE SITTING ON SOME BRIDGE JUST WATCHIN THE TRAINS GOING IN AND OUT OF THE YARD...


N THEN SOME 14-15 LIL SKATERS COME UP TO US AND THEIR LIKE "YO SO ARE YOU PEOPLE GUNA PIECE THEM TRAINS UP OR WHAT"


I FOUND IT QUITE FUNNY.
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hahaahha,, man that sucks.

[midnight mel]

alright, theres alot of talk in here about the new kids getting into grafitti by the internet and thats not respectable or something but thats shit,

ive been writing since 1999, i havent really done many pieces at all right, mainly just pieces in my blackbook, but the thing that got me into graffiti was all the graffiti sites i went to. www.artcrimes.com opened my eyes to a fucking massive new artform, and when i first went to the suk site, it blew my fucking mind, and i knew that that was what i wanted to be doing, so fuck that, about the new kids not being fucking respectable

it's the way we get into it,

the next generation of writers would be dead if it werent for internet sites previously spoken of,

only thing that sucks for me is ive got noone to teach me!

-midnight mel

[hot shit]

i think the internet is a great tool for anyone. whats the difference between checkin flix online and when the old heads used spot trains from a bridge or somethin. Nothin except we can do it in our home or in school. i also see a lot of people who would have never gotten into graff, have theyre interest sparked when they can really see what its about. sure ive seen the toys come and go. but ive seen the kids with heart stick to it and great artists that otherwise would be mimicing vangoh paint burners and get up because theyre passionate about it. everyone knows toys suck. toys know that they suck and will give up and be filtered out leaving behind the kids that will someday bomb harder than the old heads.
now that caps and good paint is more accesable. kids are gonna be painting better pieces. once its on a wall or train who the hell cars if they bought theyre caps from some "lame" cap package or whatever. My feeling is that in graff the end justifies the means. and i know old heads get mad when they see the style change but they gotta remember that they changed the style too, if not invented it.

and o yea toys can be good if they get up cuz it slows the buff

[goonstock]

i think it should be a mixture. it wont all come to you just by sitting alone at home with your black book.

[powered by..]

"Dedication, time, skill and a love for what you are doing."

["inkie"]

graff in media kinda screwed everything up cause now people read one little thread about painting and think they can bust wildstyle burner pieces. i was good example. my mom had that dondi book, and i saw it and was trying to draw the oldschool pieces, and of course they look like shit. so to anyone new. only take info for granted if its written by someone with experience and skill, and learn as much as possible, so you dont end a no brain toy. if you need proof see my "bay area graff spots, supplies" thread. whoever put me in my place on that toy thread, thanks

[RAWKET]

I FEEL WHAT YOUR SAYIN BUT 12 YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED THE SEEN WAS BARELY ABOUT TO REALLY GO GLOBAL AND BECOME THE ARTFORM WE ALL LOVE TO THIS DAY. IF IT WASNT FOR THE NATIONWIDE/GLOBAL ASPECT CATS WOULD NEVER REALLY HAVE A REASON TO HIT THE LAB AND IMPROVE CAUSE LETS BE REAL 06 GRAFF IS 1,000 TIMES BETTER THAN THE SHIT OUT IN 93-94 WITH EXCEPTION TO A SELECTED FEW. I LOVE THE FACT I CAN WALK INTO A STORE AND CHOP IT UP WITH MAN ONE(OR OTHER EX WRITERS/ NOT AS ACTIVE WRITERS) FOR A WHILE. I HATE TO BE THE ODD MAN IN THIS DISCUSSION BUT I LOVE WHAT GRAFFITI EVOLVED INTO. I WOULD OF LEFT THE GAME AWHILE BACK IF IT WOULD OF STAYED IN THE WHOLE TAG-BANGIN SCENE (ALTHOUGH OUT HERE IN CALI ITS PROBLY STILL 51% TAG-BANGIN 17% TOY AND 32% TIGHT GRAFF) NOTHIN PERSONAL ITS JUS AN OPINON

[tfw]

im split both ways on this

like for learning things on your own i say this....

the only thing beginners need to know is stay in your backyard on plywood and practice...thats it.....figure everyhting out on your own when your back there


then for the internet and mags and all of that stuff...

ya ill say it now so i know u guys will rag on me but im a art "fag"
(as ive been called numerous time) pretty much so i see graffiti as artwork and without the exposure that writing has recived over the years i dont think writing would have evolved like it did

[MM.. Food?]

What ever happened to finding shit out on your own? When I first started writing there was no internet, there were no magaiznes, there were no mailorder or walk in shops for graff shit. I mean, I had more fun trying new pens, inks, paints, etc. than actually doing the graff. now you have all these kids coming on here and asking questions, ordering pre packaged graffiti shit, reading mags(no disrespect to mags), and reading books(no diss either). I didnt find out about any books or videos until I had been writing for about 5 years. Its great that kids are getting into graff because of these things, dont get me wrong, but I mean cmon, find out about shit on yur own, please. It just makes you love and appreciate graffiti just that much more. Just dont ask dumb questions, if you are wondering how something works or how to make something, try it. Hey, who knows, in the process you might learn something new. It seems like that integral part of graffiti is going away.

On a side note: If you have all the best markers, paints, caps, inks, etc. It doesnt make you a better writer. You cant buy skill. You still have to put in work and do graffiti. That is the only thing that will make you better. Dedication, time, skill and a love for what you are doing.

damn fuckin straight, i never asked for questions on the internet about inks and shit, fucked with that myself. and im still using 2 dollar cans most of the time, fuck all you hatas

[the stics]

what ever happen to.. yo mtv raps...

[thegreathudiniwriter]

i agree with the initiative for this thread.
since the internet, toys have firgured out how to mix paint, waht caps work on what,
and all they wanna do is order order order.

our ancestors had hardware stores, pencils paper and gloves.
i aint no stock cap fiend, but i do look at different cans of different stuff and gank caps.

i think if u know a toy, teach him/her the right way.
let them learn and dont let shit fall in their lap.

[tango 24]

i never use the net to order stuff
but i see where people are coming from, toys being able to learn stuff it took them years to nail.
but so what? our artform is growing! isnt that what we want? i want to see graffiti wherever i look personally...

[Murdoc1]

Its hard for everyone now, bein a toy i gotta deal with mad vets lookin down on me (which i deserve) but they tellin me to quit without ever lookin at my shit, I've never had sum1 to help me out, I didn't know the guidelines or anything until I came on here and read the Beginners Bible. I've only asked like 3 questions tops, and they are about stuff i've already tried out (I wanted to buy a great sketch book that I could keep for the rest of my life, Ive filled tons of books up for practice and it is pretty nice to see how uve gotten better over time) and the other stuff is things I have tried out myself but its always nice to have another opinion.

Alot of people had atleast one person who showed them the way, all I had was other toys who ended up gettin me beat and arrested. Now I'm on my own and the only guides I have is ya'll, of course I practice all the time and try things out first, (I figured out a way to use starch caps and perfume bottle caps on Rusto, and tons of other experiments) I just wish people would give toys a chance, I mean for every 12 horrible toys theres 1 that does something great. And we were all toys once, and there will always be someone lookin down on you complainin.

And over here its impossible to get different caps and shit plus the respirators are expensive as hell here too, I dont see why its bad to order things online, you'll get called a toy for usin stock caps and get called a toy for ordering shit online.

[tango 24]

rack a respirator from a hardware store by putting it in your pants, if they ask what it is tell them it's a throbbing erection...they should back away at this stage, if they don't, start drooling and touching yourself inappropriately...
works for me anyway

[dontsleep34]

you think the uk is bad man we have kiddies over here in vancity that like to write the names of old newyork writers

some of these lil 14 year old shits write names like

Ghost
Trane
Kope

this shits redundent becuz they use there krylon and on the run 20 dollar markers when there doing straight letter tags with a arrow at the end its actually sickening

[dontsleep34]

murdoc1 man i no the angst when i started 5 years back i had vets takin my paint crossing my shit and talkin down on me for like 2 years. but after a while they see you love wut u do getting up even tho they no ur gunna get crossed and puttin paint on freights.

my point being shits tuff now but suck it up it will get better

[Destroy All Lines]

fuck all that. bump heaven spots tho!

[dontsleep34]

kids comming up now adays need to hit the streets before the computer. they need to take a walk around there city/town/village/cardboard box and look at all the graffiti in there area. look at the designs look at the colours look at the local heros/legends/kings. After reconising what they want to do in graffiti a.e bomb, tag, mural, all city. sit down find a good name that isnt three fucking letters long im sick of these people in my city with names like kie or spi. 5+ letters step it up u guys got computers now. after choosing a tag practice your ass off then go out and do a tag with shitty paint or a marker. not a fucking 15 dollar on the run marker or a 20 dollar bottle of montana gold. And finally please do not take the name of a king from newyork, la, san fran, where ever. I've seen it enough and i cross it out so dont do it dog its just not worth it.

[dontsleep34]

The internet is a great tool you can look at graff anywhere and compare your own work but i think people should learn about there own citys culture before looking at newyorks persay.

Thanks for giving me a topic to rant on.

[Tzar]

actually, i think people are losing common-sense

[technic]

damn man i kno what all yu guyz are talkin bout... most of the kids here are like super rich and they buy like 500 prismas, then they get to school the next day and sketch throughout classes (nothin wrong with that), but the work after is fuckin horrific.. i mean seriously.. its shit, and then they go to abandoned spots after school and go over all the pros work... its really gay, they cant paint for shit but they have all the best equips so they think they rock

[Destroy All Lines]

some people just need a good ass whoopin

[NebulaPhysics]

Yeah, youre an inspiring guy, but as technology shit goes on peopl are more accustom to internet forums, these kids may be toys and all but the still have the same passion you and me have.

[shameless self promotion]

Yeah, youre an inspiring guy, but as technology shit goes on peopl are more accustom to internet forums, these kids may be toys and all but the still have the same passion you and me have.

One, they should know how to use them properly.

Two, no, no they dont.

[Special K808]

graffiti beingonly for writers? I see so many kids around with cloths that are plastered with commercialized graff. Its illegal for us to express our selves w/ paint on public property, but the clothing companies will box it up slap it on a shirt and sell it to anyone in a neat little package. And that fucking mark ecko game is causing so much problem for writers in hawaii, no every kid whos played it wants to go out and buy paint or a OTR marker and scribble some halfass tag or hollow throwie. Its gotten to the point where i as a minor can't buy a pilot jumbo or a can of rustoleum, because so many assholes are fucking everything up. Hopefully this whole graffiti fad will blow over before im too old to do this anymore.

[IrishCarBombs]

Its gotten to the point where i as a minor can't buy a pilot jumbo or a can of rustoleum.

Welcome to New York, like 2546734 years ago

[tango 24]

^^true
this is the situation just about everywhere youngblood

[HeyItsSamXXX]

Im With You Brother.

[¤Shark¤]

ha! i agree. even in aus. same deal. u have to be 18yrs old! to be sold a can of paint....but there are places, as with eveything, where people just wanna make the money :P and they will sell it to ya

[dontsleep34]

HAHAHAHA FEW WEEKS BACK WE WERE SITTING ON SOME BRIDGE JUST WATCHIN THE TRAINS GOING IN AND OUT OF THE YARD...


N THEN SOME 14-15 LIL SKATERS COME UP TO US AND THEIR LIKE "YO SO ARE YOU PEOPLE GUNA PIECE THEM TRAINS UP OR WHAT"


I FOUND IT QUITE FUNNY.

little skaters in my town hit up the bottom 3 feet of lightposts lol and stop signs with frases like fuck or skate or die or BMF aka bad mother fuckers

[drakeOner]

[QUOTE=Special K808;4900497 I see so many kids around with cloths that are plastered with commercialized graff. [/QUOTE]

This is the crucial sentence. These companies take our art and commercialize it, and once kids who see that want to be writers because it's "cool" and start fuckin up everything, the companies who commercialized it blame the real writers for their own doing.

Although the Internet has helped me a little, I never got into graff over it. I got into it myself, I started noticing it at a very young age. I was sketching and tagging long before I even heard of artcrimes. It was pretty wack, but I was getting a feel for it and I started noticing style.

[dundermifflin]

in chicago if you caught with paint (even of age) they can charge you with intent to deface property. markers, pens and paints is pretty much illegal within city limits. happened to too many people i know going to and from legal and illegal spots.