How to help prevent war on Iraq (seriously)

[kaesthebluntedwonder]

here's the link:
http://www.moveon.org/nowar/

If someone could bump this to keep it on top, maybe even make it a sticky, that would be even better. The more people we let know about this the better.

Thanks

[A Fire Inside]

Wow.. haven't seen you around in a long time....

[Pistol]

KILL SADDAM!!

[KING BLING]

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[Smart]

don't blame me, I play bass in a country band now... and I'm thinking about buying a banjo, but 1st I gotta get a good pair of overalls...

[toyeattoywar]

this morning on npr they were having a live broadcast of "the powers that be" in america debating the war on iraq and one of them said that there are already 600 of the top military and intelligence officers positioned in iraq and that its inevitable. the next move is to start to send in all of the troops.
its going to be alot harder for america to make money off of this war though because during the last war with iraq alot of really big countries were giving america money to pay for weapons, etc and america was banking because they make everything at wholesale cost. this time around all of the allies that were paying us last time arent supporting us so its all coming out of the pockets a few countries. this time its not a cover for money its a cover for dubya and his gangsters. its been said that colin powell is responsible for millions of deaths during his time, and hes the "nice one" in dubyas showcase.

[-MOE LESTER-]

who cares...i hope theres a huge war and everyone dies, including me

[metallix]

uhh we are going to make money on this war.
france and russia are cutting deals with saddam for his oil.
we want to install a new government before we take his oil. if we have a puppet government (ala afganistan) then we own the oil in iraq. that and the zionist's want saddam destroyed. he is the biggest arab threat in the whole region. do not ever think this is not about oil.

[HESHIANDET]

Originally posted by -MOE LESTER-
who cares...i hope theres a huge war and everyone dies, including me
i hpe i die to. it would make life alot easier.

[socrates]

Everything is about money, If it helps us and hurts others...then that means we win.

[SPLINTER]

nobody's going to war this is a bunch of mumbo jumbo, if the UN doesnt say we can kick their ass, then we cant. why? because we will have made the UN an inderect allie to iraq. and then sadam is gonna fuck one of those UN guys in the but like he did to the devil and the UN will start to bomb us. sounds like a plan to me.

[toyeattoywar]

i definately think that this is about oil, its always been about oil when weve have problems with iraq. i just dont think that its only about oil anymore, i think that its a much larger picture though. personally if we went to war i dont think it would be a very good thing for all of the people that would be getting bombed daily or for the american people. its 1989 all over again. does anybody remember those cameras that they used to hook up to missles for target reasons and then they would broadcast it on television while they were bombing a village during the last war with iraq? that was crazy. i remember watching that as a kid.

[ShitFuck]

i hate to be a dick, but no online petition is going to do shit. if you want the war on iraq to end, you HAVE to fight for it. Here's a flyer i made http://www.socialistappeal.org/flyers/no_t...o_iraqi_war.pdf (http://www.socialistappeal.org/flyers/no_to_iraqi_war.pdf) print that shit out and wheate paste it like a mother fucker. to find out more email [email protected]

peace

[THEdude]

www.savethelittleones.org/main.php/user.asp?id=1243 (http://www.ass.com)

[dahighlifdhl]

war on irak cant be prevented
its more of a fsmily grudge
bushs got going

[socrates]

The only other countries that have the military technology to ever even attack the us or beat it are our allies(Japan, Britan, Israel). That's it no one else will ever be able to touch those four countries. It's like a country club, all the old members don't want to let the new guy in so they try to defeat him.

[effyoo]

did anyone hear anything about the german offical who compared Bush's warmongering to Hitler's? She supposedly said that Bush was trying to start a war to draw attention away from the troubles at home, just like Hitler did when he took over in Germany in the 1930's.

[Are2]

after hearing the bullshit being spewed by the current u.s. president
i am becoming increasingly alarmed that this moron is attempting to turn the u.s. into an empire...
although i've got no love for saddam (that guy can fucking rot in hell)
i also do not think that it is america's place to start invading any country that we have a problem with..

democracy is getting steamrolled here..
while i love to talk politics, i am normally not very politically active..

this issue, however, has me concerned enough to march..
if we allow our government to grant dubyah this kind of authority..
then we as a whole (in the u.s.) are fucked!!!

i am guessing that the aftermath of another u.s. led war in the middle east would make 9-11 look like a walk in central park.

[freeze]

everybody is forgetting the fact that saddam has a shitload of stockpiled biological weapons...not to mention the fact that he's been attempting to purchase a shitload of uranium in order to build a nuclear bomb. this guy is a fucking nutcase and needs to be ousted from his presidential position. and for everyone who is concerned that it's just bush wanting to start another war, tony blair, the british prime minister, is attempting to illustrate to parliament that shit needs to be done in iraq. fuck peace, kill the mother fucker.

[Are2]

u.n. weapons inspectors
(the neutral people)
have repeatedly said that there is no direct evidence linkinn saddam to these types of stockpiles..

and uranium received from africa is a very far cry from weapons grade materials, especially in iraq..


my concern is that the u.s. president is intitiating a course of action that makes him more alike than not alike that iraqi dictator himself..

after all, these problems all started after iraq invaded one of its neighbors without international support....what gives the u.s. the right to behave this way????

why can we have stockpiles of those weapons and use them on whoever we want?

and what happens after??
this government couldn't even clean up afghanistan...and those people were in favor of a regime change...now we abandon them to go finish what the first george bush couldn't ?????

oh, and all in time for nevember elections..

even tony blair is not in favor of a regime change..get the facts straight!!!!

[freeze]

Are2, i guess i agree with some of what you said...

i didn't know that blair wasn't in favor of a regime change, i just assumed as much after watching him speaking in front of parliament seemingly supporting the us.

i realize that the uranium from africa might not be the greatest, but fuck, even if it's used in a half-assed attempt at a nuclear warhead, that's enough to set off a worldwide nuc fest...fuck that shit.

and the UN weapons inspectors haven't been allowed deep enough into iraq to really start looking at saddam's shit, so of course they're going to say that "there isn't evidence supporting saddam having a stockpile" of fucked up weapons.

and i personally think that the united states was granted the right to act without world support after 9/11. it was the first time in history that article 19 (i think that's the right one) of NATO, stating that if any one of the member countries is attacked, every other member country is REQUIRED to support military action against the attacker. when the world (with a few exceptions) told the us to go fuck itself and to handle its own shit, i think that pretty much gives us the right to do whatever the fuck we want to. i personally think we should've even withdrawn from the UN, it does nothing for us except makes us seem "worldly."

[juggernaut]

Originally posted by freeze
i personally think we should've even withdrawn from the UN, it does nothing for us except makes us seem "worldly."

oh man! i'm sure our president would agree with you on that one...
not that that's a good thing.

[FIST2CUFFS]

fuck iraq and the people who support them

[IntangibleFame]

Fuckem Meng

[Greedy]

We are already at war with Iraq. Because my friend's unit was shiped out last week. Befor she went she told me all kind s of crazy shit.
Like the UN is agressivle opposed to the war. And they might even fight aginst us. And also that we will lose alot of your alies.

Fucking Bush is a loser. And he will bring about WWIII.

[BROWNer]

if you guys really want to try and stop this, do the
petition, but do something real like phoning up your
local senator*, phone people in congress, phone the
white house and tell them you do not support this
war and do not want your tax dollars financing it.
sounds crazy, but you have the right to phone up
these people, be polite, and tell them point blank
you do not want this war..

*senator(by state)contacts (http://www.senate.gov/senators/senator_by_state.cfm)

its easy, make the call, or better yet, make
several calls, and get your family and friends
to do the same.

[IntangibleFame]

They cant make you go to war if you shoot yourself now! Take a stand!

[Are2]

geeez..
there are so many reasons why saddam is obviously a threat

but becoming the tyrranical police bush wants our country to be is a terrible position to take..

after all, when is the last time weapons inspectors came into this country?
what is the u.s. gonna do about the fact that israel is currently defying the u.n. (just as saddam has done)...because we agree with israel and not wiht saddam, that should not allow us to attack their fuckin country!

one look at the wedding party and accidental bombing of canadian military by us. forces should be a big indication that we kill innocent people as well as terrorists..

one look back at vietnam, korea, nicaragua, cuba, and the last gulf war should be a big heads up that our government never accomplishes the 'agenda' it presents to the public, and that the courses of action our military has taken has had dire consequences, including i thinnk.. 9/11


anyway, browner, you're right...i shouldn't be yapping about this here, i should be on the phone speaking with congress.....

[IntangibleFame]

Korea would have been fun...a nice place to visit...nice people, great food...

[BROWNer]

on tuesday
the UN passed a new resolution against
israel that the US did not veto..now sharon is blatantly
ignoring this new resolution, just like the 28 others
israel is in violation of....
the rhetoric states that iraq is in violation of the
mandate put down by the security council........
if the US goes to war with this being one of the
major sticking points, while israel arrogantly ignores
the UN's resolutions, then the credibility of the
states and the UN is down the squat bowl.

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by Are2
anyway, browner, you're right...i shouldn't be yapping about this here, i should be on the phone speaking with congress.....

i'm completely serious. you can get these #'s and make calls that might
make a difference.

[Are2]

i'm serious about this too...like i said, i've never been politically active, but this is fucking scary.

**and thanks for articulating the israel issue..

[BROWNer]

also for heads in canada, you can phone up
your parliament representatives and mp's..
whip out the phone book, and go to the blue
pages..your locals should be there..

[IntangibleFame]

Im movin to australia...Where I can bomb kangaroos, and wallabees! yheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea! :) :p

[--zeSto--]

I've said this a few times before, but I'll say it again.

Even Rome Fell
Nobody likes a bully
Absolute Power Corruputs Absolutely
Maybe the people who call it 'the great satan' have a bit of a point.

and the fact that Homeland defence is the number one concern in America today scares me.
(as opposed to say... the environment, economy, debt relief, health concerns etc...)

[IntangibleFame]

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"Best be worrying about our own problems"

[KaBar]

We should tell them to take their building and their socialist bullshit attitudes and get out of our country. The people in the U.N. think it's their own little fiefdom. They are using (mostly) our money to line their pockets, and their attitude about U.S. law if "Fuck you, we're exempt." They drive like idiots, they park their limosines and their BMW's wherever they please without any regard for New York's laws, then they claim diplomatic immunity whenever they get a ticket or arrested for drunk driving or some other shit like that. Since our government can't seem to control them, I hope New Yorkers just settle it in the street. Arrogant sonofabitches.

Our Congress was so fed up with the U.N.'s cheap ass shit that we withheld paying our U.N. "dues" for years and years, and they whined and cried like a bunch of little girls. Sure they were upset--they can't live like kings and spend American dollars all over the world like drunken sailors unless we foot the bill.

I say that we withdraw from the U.N. and tell them to get off our property, and stay off. They are a pack of leeches anyway.

We don't need the U.N.'s help to take down Saddam. As a matter of fact, we don't need ANYBODY'S help to take down Saddam, and every minute that we wait means more American soldiers will lose their lives. We should have never stopped the first time. George Bush 41 was so glad that we suffered so few casualties in the first Gulf War that he was eager to find a way to get the hell out of there without losing any more men. We should have carpet-bombed Baghdad the FIRST TIME, and should have taken that country over and occupied it. George Bush 41 pussed out. I should have known what he was like when he caved in and signed the assault rifle ban back in 1989.

His son is plenty pissed off at Saddam for trying to assassinate his Dad, and I don't blame him. I say we go get his ass right now before he has a chance to get any stronger.

I know this is an unpopular position on this website. You guys got a right to your opinion, and I got a right to mine. Anything or anybody that makes the United States weaker is a bad thing. If the Gulf War was about oil, SO WHAT. You think you'd be enjoying the lifestyle you have without oil? Anybody that wants to live like they do in some Third World shithole is welcome to go there. Don't get trampled in the rush of illegal immigrants trying to get into the U.S., though. Everybody wants to live here. And why is that? Because it's the best place on earth. When all these Saudi royals and American-hating assholes all over the world get sick, where do they come for care? HERE, that's where. Ungrateful bastards. The whole world has their hand out. If that makes me a "Eurocentric" or a right-wing conservative, so be it. If you go overseas and spend some time in the sewer that they have created, you won't be able to get home fast enough.

[IntangibleFame]

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"Who cares bout dis war, when these cuffs will soon be off."

[--zeSto--]

Originally posted by KaBar
You think you'd be enjoying the lifestyle you have without oil? Anybody that wants to live like they do in some Third World shithole is welcome to go there.

But then I'd only be victimized by American Foreign Policy.
:idea:

[IntangibleFame]

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"You just dont know........"

[Are2]

kabar, you have a point

but this country will hardly be so great if our foreign policy morphs (as bush wants it to) into a "we invade at our president's discretion" attitude

saddam sucks ass...and he is a threat

but what really worries me is the privileges that bush is asking for..and the fact that congress is just blindly following him

[IntangibleFame]

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[Catch22]

You have a good point. I think Bush is an idiot & it is scary to see a simpleton like Bush run our country, however I do think we should go into Iraq & take out Sadam wether it be by special forces or an invasion of greater proportions.

[RAGSOE]

fuck iraq

[IntangibleFame]

Originally posted by ragsoe505
ragsoe

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"Heres some advice..."

[RAGSOE]

fuck iraq again

[IntangibleFame]

Originally posted by ragsoe505
ragsoe

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"You should really listen to me..."

[angry xbox]

there isa theory not yet becoming of pure reality that is ummm

well its like this

in the book of genisis of the chronicle the bible, it states where the garden of eden originated(between the tigris and euphartes rivers just above suadi arabia) and it seems to be the middle east and specifically close to iraq and isreal, the gaza strip. Moses led his people in the old testament to the holy land they were the chosen people and they were descendants of NOah who survived god flood which he had to destroy his creation of man because man had beome evil. So its no surprise that the middle east has beena place of grave turmoil for milleniums now. There is a holy war that you people do not see there. It is man versus the spirits of serpents and pure night. It will never cease until the revelation becomes a living breathing act of gods wrath. And do you ever wonder why the middle east is such a big media center of the world??

[THEdude]

Originally posted by angry xbox
there isa theory not yet becoming of pure reality that is ummm

well its like this

in the book of genisis of the chronicle the bible, it states where the garden of eden originated(between the tigris and euphartes rivers just above suadi arabia) and it seems to be the middle east and specifically close to iraq and isreal, the gaza strip. Moses led his people in the old testament to the holy land they were the chosen people and they were descendants of NOah who survived god flood which he had to destroy his creation of man because man had beome evil. So its no surprise that the middle east has beena place of grave turmoil for milleniums now. There is a holy war that you people do not see there. It is man versus the spirits of serpents and pure night. It will never cease until the revelation becomes a living breathing act of gods wrath. And do you ever wonder why the middle east is such a big media center of the world??


yep, couldn't said it better myself

[willy.wonka]

i really dont know what to think anymore...


didnt they find a chemical plant??

i wouldnt want to be in that war, but i would like to have this world a whole lot less populated;)

i say fuck bush, fuck saddam:p

[Dirty_habiT]

I'd be more worried about how you could prevent this reply you didn't even see coming...

fuck people.

[IntangibleFame]

War......hmmmmmmmm..........give me a gun and ill shoot the sun...

[KaBar]

This crap that George W. and all his so-called conservative Cabinet is pulling, with the Patriot Act and other Homeland Security Act laws is only part of a LONG, LONG, LONG list of small erosions of liberty in the U.S. Almost always, these so-called protections or improvements to Federal law are really exactly the opposite of whatever the title of the law says. They started erroding liberty in the U.S. almost before the ink on the Constitution was dry. READ THE FEDERALIST PAPERS. These are books that are re-prints of articles published back then, trying to educate the public on the various issues before the Constitutional Convention in the 1780's, when the old Articles of Confederation were still in effect.

Many of you younger guys just have a "BOR-ing! Who gives a fuck?" attitude about it, but the reason your rights and liberties are so easily taken from you is that so few Americans want to read the fine print on these new laws.
Recently, this administration has enacted a host of new, restrictive and un-Constitutional laws and law enforcement practices. It began a long time ago, with things like "arresting" any large sums of money a suspect might be carrying. (What is that, if not "robbery?") The idea that the Government has a right to seize your money to be sure you've paid your taxes is, in itself, completely unjust. The income tax itself is specifically prohibited in the Constitution, but was rammed down our throats in 1913 by special interest groups of wealthy power brokers. The idea of the Federal Reserve System was part and parcel of this same conspiracy, and has been a very lucrative cash cow for the wealthy people who own the Federal Reserve Bank ever since. (Just in case you don't realize this, the Federal Reserve System is neither Federal, nor a bank, but it is a privately owned system for controlling the finances and ultimately the politics of the U.S. AS WELL AS other countries.)
Holding suspects WITHOUT TRIAL OR ARRAIGNMENT BEFORE A MAGISTRATE, not bringing the accused to a SPEEDY TRIAL BEFORE A JURY OF HIS PEERS, and denying the accused legal representation of his or her choice are all major violations of Constitutional law. Frankly, I don't understand why the Government thinks they need this sort of storm trooper, illegal measures. Any jury of decent, God-fearing Americans would convict their sorry asses in a New York second. So why do they need all the Kafkaesque drama?

BECAUSE THESE LAWS ARE NOT FOR TERRORISTS, THEY ARE FOR YOU AND ME. Nobody gives a shit about the terrorists. We could "disappear" the entire population of Guantanamo Bay's prison camps, and who would be the wiser? "We released them in Afghanistan. Don't have a clue as to where they went."
No, they don't need these laws for terrorists. They need them to use against DOMESTIC RESISTANCE.

You know what happens when you bring a Randy Weaver before a jury of his peers in Idaho? HE GETS ACQUITTED. You know what happens when you bring the Branch Davidian survivors before a jury of their peers in Texas? THEY GET ACQUITTED. Why are they in jail then? Because the Judge ILLEGALLY AND UN-CONSTITUTIONALLY OVERTURNED THE JURY VERDICT AND CONVICTED THEM ANYWAY. If you don't believe it, look it up on the Web and read it for yourself. The Feds were really embarrassed by the Randy Weaver trial. He got convicted on the gun charge (he illegally sawed off a shotgun for an ATF informant, and pled guilty) and got 18 months. Then, the U.S. Government had to pay him and his two surviving children THREE POINT ONE MILLION DOLLARS for murdering his son, Sammy Weaver, and his wife, Vicky Weaver, during the U.S. Government's seige of Weaver's rural property.

Believe what you want, but Bill Clinton came very close to setting off a civil war over Ruby Ridge and the Waco Massacre. Did you know that almost 30% of the Branch Davidians were black, Hispanic or other non-Caucasian races? Waco was a test case. What Clinton did, accidentally, was sell more assault rifles and ammunition than had ever previously been sold in American history. I know people who had no guns at all before Waco, who now own six or seven assault rifles, and who owned no ammunition before, but now have thousands and thousands of rounds.

The anti-terrorism laws are really anti-Constitution laws. You are losing your freedom this very second, and don't realize it. And if these laws are permitted to stand, our children and grandchildren will hold us responsible, just like we hold the Germans of 1933 responsible for Nazi Germany.

I do not believe we need any Draconian laws to stop terrorism. Regular law enforcement can do the job, if we take off the artificial restraints they are under right now. We definately do not need a National Police Force, but I fear one is coming.

Go read Title 10, United States Code, Section 311. And tell me WHY the U.S. Government needs a special, secret Homeland Security Agency. The security of the United States is ALREADY securely placed in the hands of the People themselves. We do not need a National Police.

[optimo]

yeah, we definitly need to give these guys a fair trial, guilty or not.

Kabar-------- EMAIL ME. IM DOING GREAT!!!!! MAYBE ILL HIT YOUR EMAIL SOON. TAKE IT EASY.

[willy.wonka]

kabar puttin it down.

[IntangibleFame]

Kabar....Ill let you vote for me...

[yoink]

sadamis crazy and heartless and so are his sons, they arent the cleavers, thus remove them, peacefuly oe with a baseball bat whatever its for the better no matter who you are, tree hugger or gi joe...

[IntangibleFame]

Go Joe! That cartoon makes me wanna join the army...haha so I can be snake eyes....

[CRYrock81]

its bigger than you know.........knowing nothing is better than knowing it all

[bodice_ripper]

Originally posted by KaBar
We should tell them to take their building and their socialist bullshit attitudes and get out of our country. The people in the U.N. think it's their own little fiefdom. They are using (mostly) our money to line their pockets, and their attitude about U.S. law if "Fuck you, we're exempt." They drive like idiots, they park their limosines and their BMW's wherever they please without any regard for New York's laws, then they claim diplomatic immunity whenever they get a ticket or arrested for drunk driving or some other shit like that. Since our government can't seem to control them, I hope New Yorkers just settle it in the street. Arrogant sonofabitches.



you know, none of this rant has ANYTHING to do with the UN as an institution, merely the stupid actions of some members. Really KaBar...you can do better than this..........................








...........I want to know though - you think the US should pull out of the UN because

"Anything or anybody that makes the United States weaker is a bad thing. "

And then you have a rant implying the US is becoming progressively more Nazi

"And if these laws are permitted to stand, our children and grandchildren will hold us responsible, just like we hold the Germans of 1933 responsible for Nazi Germany. "


Now, I would have thought these were opposing view points, unless of course you are saying that only US citizens have a right to be protected from the US government...which would be a bit Nazi, really...........................

[wiseguy]

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
Im movin to australia...Where I can bomb kangaroos, and wallabees! yheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea! :) :p
its not all its cracked up to be, we have a snivelling little shit of a PM who is such a racist right wing bastard that he (among other things)refused to apologise to the aboriginal people who were kidnapped and sent to work for white people from the turn of the century to the 70's. hes a racist and he kisses george bushes ass.

[willy.wonka]

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[imported_Ob1]

Originally posted by HESHIANDET

i hpe i die to. it would make life alot easier.

it sure fucking would! You would be dead. Dead people cant do anything. There dead.

[KaBar]

And except for my personal rants and complaints about their intention to place the United States under their authority, I doubt anything I have to say will really inform anybody.

I URGE YOU to type "The United Nations" into your browser and find out as much as you can about their plans for the United States. Do you realize that there are "United Nations Global Bio-sphere Parks" ALREADY in the United States? That is correct. The United Nations, WHICH HAS NO LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER IN OUR COUNTRY, has managed to get a number of our National Parks and National Forests (read that again--NATIONAL Parks. They belong to US, not to "the people of the World") declared to be under the authority of the United Nations. Since when did the UN have the authority to do such a thing in the U.S.? I understand that shortly after they first did it, the public outcry at the parks was so violent and agitated that they took down the signs. But go to their website and LOOK AT THE MAPS. The sonofabitches think they control part of the Continental United States. And with authority, comes the "right" to TAX the people of the United States, and to pass regulations and so forth. You can bet they won't be wearing a UN uniform in our country, though. To do so is extremely risky--there are people in this country who would consider it an act of war.

A few years ago, the Louisiana Unorganized Militia managed to get two of their members into the Fort Polk training areas for UN troops basically disguised as photojournalists. They took hundreds of photographs of troops from Communist countries, or countries that "used" to be Communist, training in the U.S. on how to set up roadblocks, how to run "detention" camps, how to control the movement of civilians, etc. It was shocking, to see troops in Communist uniforms, carrying AK-47's and RPD machineguns and RPG-13 rocket launchers practicing arresting American citizens and running check points right in our own country. Now, there's more than one way to look at this. One could say that they are being trained here to operate here. Or, one could say, hey--better that these guys get training from us than the Russians. I'm sure that they wouldn't have to go all the way to Uzbekistan to get storm troopers, we've got plenty of UN oriented law enforcement right here at home.

It was pretty creepy looking at actual photographs of men in UN uniforms training foreign troops on our own soil, though.

Did you know that there is a German Air Force (Luftwaffe) base in New Mexico? It's called Holloman Air Force Base, in Alamogordo, New Mexico. The German government OWNS IT. They actually bought it from us.

I know you guys don't believe me, that's fine. I just encourage you to go to the UN's own web site, and read their plans for your country for yourself. Some of you will be just fine with it--what can I say? Fifty years of propaganda has taken a toll.

But some of you will read it in shocked disbelief---OMIGOD, THE RIGHT-WING MILITIA CRAZIES WERE CORRECT! When they start carving our country up into "departments" or "management zones" or some other shit like that, don't say I didn't warn you about it.

[bl4ckh4m]

the problem is no one tells the truth.

the government doesnt.
the media doesnt.
the activist doesnt
the milita guy doesnt.

everyone can find shit to back up what they are saying.

live fast die young cause its all going to hell anyways.

[Smart]

Originally posted by willy.wonka
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You know, somebody thought they were really clever when they made this but... the intelligent man knows...

Amoco is now owned by BP, and BP only buys a fraction of their oil from the middle east...

Also, if you want to make sure none of your oil dollars head to the arabs then you can buy at Costal and a few other vendors that don't buy any middle eastern oil...

[IntangibleFame]

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[KaBar]

They say the the true test of a real conspiracy is that it cannot be proven. In fact, this line was used in a pretty good movie "Conspiracy Theory," which took genuine concerns of real conspiracy theory researchers and sort of blew them all out of proportion and made them look ludicrous and unrealistic. It always amazes me that people will believe any bizarre thing about the right, but act as though the Left is acting on purely humanitarian grounds.

As an example, if I told you that the extreme right wing had a plan to exterminate the children of known minority drug addicts, in order to destroy that genetic pool, as part of some Nazi conspiracy, there are probably plenty of people on the Left who would buy it. Especially people from the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center. They see Nazi saboteurs under every bed.

But if I told you, "Oh, no, this is just a program to underwrite a woman's right to choose, and to guarantee the reproductive rights of low-income women and women of color" then the destruction of 240,000 fetuses would be perfectly okay, right?

The truth is, I do not share the opinion of many of my conservative colleagues, especially the born-again Christian ones. I do not believe that the world needs more abused, neglected children living in poverty. What I don't understand is why the people who created the unwanted pregnancy (can't really call them "parents") don't simply get sterilized. If they don't want kids, what the hell. Do it right. I do not share the obsession about abortion clinics and abortionists. I think that if a woman doesn't want to have her child, then she'd probably be best not having it. Kind of tough on the kid, of course, but that's life. And, in the long run, they'd be doing society a big favor by not bringing any more crack babies into the world, to be cared for by the rest of us.

The right wing often sees every effort to expand Federal power as some tenacle of One World Government. Unfortunately, I often see things in this light myself. I do NOT see "world citizenship" as anything positive. In this, I do share certain viewpoints (but definately not all) with the John Birch Society.

This is the ultimate irony, since I vilified the John Birchers as the ultimate in reactionary goofballs wearing tin-foil hats back in the '60s. One thing I have come to admire is their RELENTLESS documentation of their sources. If they report that the Bilderburgers met in Vienna, and are carving up Bosnia (or whatever,) they scrupulously document it, with photographs and news reports and so on to back up their statement. The Left deals with this by saying "So what?" But they can't deny that he reports are accurate.
When I first wrote this, I linked some sites to demonstrate what I mean, but for some reason the links don't work right, and I spent a couple of hours trying to figure it out, and can't. So, instead of listing links, all I can do is recommend you use your browser and look up these subjects ^^^ above and see what's there. Sorry.

[mental invalid]

YO!! what up kaes???

where the fuck ya been??? still waiting on that mehldau show live ya got!!

HOLLA!!

[mental invalid]

a bit of advice for that website:

henry kissinger is the last person you want a testimonial from, especially in the dealings of not going to war....the guy is a borderline war criminal.....so personally i dont give a fuck what kissinger has to say...

this is just one random site i found.....

http://www.eclipse.net/~tgardnet/kiss/kisskill.html

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

"Let me win,if i cannot win then let me look good in the process"

personally i think the war on Iraq isnt well thought out..Bush is aiming on Iraq because he has no one else to fight...he doesnt want the war on terrorism to end because americans will think he would be all talk...so for now he is aiming on Iraq to see what happens and hopefully he would find a reason to fight a fight worth fighting...its like drilling for oil eventually he could hit something.....



-
my 2 cents-

[IntangibleFame]

2 cents is 2 cents too many.....

[Esai]

Kabar, you had some good points but now youre starting to scare me a little. I was just wondering these militia guys' view on what america has done to indians, and what would be their plans if the US was toppled. Fuck bush and saddam, someone said it best that both are imperialistic dictators who have no regard for their citizens unless it involves suppressing them. This asshole in Iraq let millions die while he lives in luxury, and the same to bush, clinton, and practically every president this nation has ever had. I agree that our government is evil, and to be truthfull so are 99% of the world's governments, they pander to large corporations whom line their pockets and military arsenals while they basically rob and kill their native citizens and/or working classes. Kabar was right about the constitution,etc., these are all bones the politicos throw at us to keep us from revolting, nuff said. Even if you disagree with me, do a favor to yourself: look at these issues logically and study both sides' arguments and actions. So far Bush has done nothing but contradict himself and make accusations based on conjecture and opinion.
-Why has there been no material concrete evidence about Iraq that has been presented to the public? Usually a leader presents unarguable evidence about an issue before he spends billions of dollars and lots of lives for war, and all that bullshit blair has shown still doesnt prove a thing, no concrete evidence.
-Or how about the fact that Bush's reasoning and goal for a war with Iraq continue to change? First it was to rid them of weapons of mass destruction, then it was Iraq has violated UN resolutions, then it was saddam has killed his own people, and even that Iraq is linked to al quaeda. Or first the priority is to allow weapons inspectors in, then it was we need to change the regime in Iraq, these are just a few changes that even our own pussy ass congrees is even questioning.
-How come every time Iraq has made a move to allow inspectors in, the president and his cabinet dismiss them? If they truly were after their goal of keeping america safe than wouldnt these actions make them happy?
-How come whenever someone questions Bush(and his cabinet's)goals or actions, they are denounced as nonpatriots and called unamerican? Isnt one of the founding principles of this country the right to speach and to question? Isnt a country where this is not allowed a dictatorship?
-Im not even gonna start on how disgusting it is to me that Bush would disrespect the victims of 9/11 by using them in his speeches to the USand UN to push his own political agendas that have completely no relevence to the sept 11th attacks, fucken nauseating.
- The US has been found guilty violating dozens of UN charters, the US' response is basically "fuck off", and the UN is full of pussies who do nothing about it(not that I want them to)
Our presidency was basically robbed the last election, this violates any move to democracy in the world, yet I dont see france or anyone else trying to start a war with us and our own dictator who has no regard for the world(with his actions) and now is in charge of the largest arsenal of weapons in the world.
Either way, I am a biased person, but I tried to look at this issue impartially by just the facts of the situation and the actions of the involved party, and the Bush cabinet still wreaks of insincerity and bad intentions, I could only hope that you all and America can do the same and wake the fuck up!!!

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by mental invalid
henry kissinger ....the guy is a borderline war criminal.....

borderline???
more like full-on professional war criminal.
:D

[mental invalid]

yeah, how did i know browner would have something to say about mr.kissinger....i dont trust that fat fuck at all.....anyone like that who doesnt want to go to war, i assume has a trick up his sleave....

[BROWNer]

homey, you should(if you haven't already)
read christopher hitchens report on kissenger
in harpers 'the case against henry kissinger'..
pure evilness.

[Are2]

i strongly urge anyone concerned about all this to read "Killing Hope"


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Kil...gHope_page.html (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html)

apparently, this incredible expose of american military interventions is available to read on the web!!

that's right kids...FREE!!!!

read this and become twice as intelligent as the average american!! i promise you this will open your eyes...

[TEARZ]

Originally posted by BROWNer
homey, you should(if you haven't already)
read christopher hitchens report on kissenger
in harpers 'the case against henry kissinger'..
pure evilness.

that is a great one, mr browner. i like chris hitchens, he consistently rocks in the nation. fuck a fat kissinger.

[KaBar]

I read several of them, very interesting. Some of this I had heard before, but Mr. Blum is a very interesting writer. I'd like to see the footnotes, but I suppose for that, I'd need to actually buy his book.

One problem about all this is that it doesn't give any hint that there were very similar activities and conspiracies on the part of the Soviet Union and their counterparts in each of these countries. Murder, torture, kidnapping, "disappearances," and so forth are by no means unique to the clandestine services of the United States. This doesn't excuse whatever American excesses were committed, but to look only at one side and not the other gives a lop-sided and inaccurate view of the Cold War. What the hell, they called it the Cold War for a reason.

The leftist plethora of organizations and parties here in the United States thoroughly infiltrated so-called "spontaneous" anti-war and community organizations. I know this to be true because I was politically active then, and I knew many Communists and New Leftists who were quite proud of their ability to mislead and surrepticiously influence and direct seemingly innocent "peace" organizations. And of course, they thoroughly infiltrated labor unions, teacher's organizations, etc. This hardly seems surprising. It's more or less what one expects of CPUSA and other organizations like them.

As active anarchists, we often baited them and tried to provoke them into humiliating public brawls, and occasionally succeeded. Some of them, like Lyndon LaRouche's National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC) (yes, LaRouche and his loonies used to be considered New Leftists and socialists of a sort) attempted several times to attack anarchist gatherings and contingents at public demonstrations, etc. The IWW had a barrel of axe handles and baseball bats at one member's home to provide defense against NCLC if necessary. A few years later, the NCLC became whatever LaRouches' organization is now, and they dropped any pretense at being "Left" and became "crazy."
Of course, this is a far cry from officially supported and funded agencies of the U.S. Government undermining other governments.

[mental invalid]

ill hot the ole lib up brown and scour for the book.....good lookin out....

[willy.wonka]

threated iraq with mutated daddy longlegs with fangs.
show them what we do to cows in our country.
i know! i know! get them hooked on drugs.

[GRAFARONI]

this has barely anything to do with Iraq besides are innevitable war with them. I just think this is a amazing pic....
[img]http://www.imgstudio.com/2002/September/3/stamp_lthumb/090320026355052.jpg'>

[GRAFARONI]

err its alittle small but the story is that this actually quite big personel carrier hit a mine in the road...this was during the croation and whatever war.

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

Originally posted by GRAFARONI
this has barely anything to do with Iraq besides are innevitable war with them. I just think this is a amazing pic....
[img]http://www.imgstudio.com/2002/September/3/stamp_lthumb/090320026355052.jpg'>



if only i had my glasses with me

[IntangibleFame]

War is nonesense......

[SerialRapisT]

I'm Taking a stand and Calling.....



My local Marines Recruiter, Hooah!
I've signed up and i ship in January, this way i'm insured a job in what i want. You guys have fun in Draft being Infantry and tank support, i'll be busy behind the lines wrenching Helicoptors!

[mental invalid]

youre an idiot........sorry

[GRAFARONI]

Originally posted by L3ER
I'm Taking a stand and Calling.....



My local Marines Recruiter, Hooah!
I've signed up and i ship in January, this way i'm insured a job in what i want. You guys have fun in Draft being Infantry and tank support, i'll be busy behind the lines wrenching Helicoptors!

you cant be serious.... :eek: thats the stupedest thing ive ever heard

[IntangibleFame]

While you idiots are out fighting for me, Ill sit home watch some Raylene porn and eatin some popcorn...out of the huge movie theater bags...

[IntangibleFame]

Adam sounds like fun...the popcorn that is...when I was little I used it as a bean bag....shows how ghetto iam....

[dai]

i say we turn iraq into glass

[phism]

why are there so many conservative-minded writers these days? it's sad. 'the voice of the ghetto'? not anymore.

i hope this country gets nuked.

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by phism
i hope this country gets nuked.

the far left is just a hurtin' as the far right.

[Lil_5panky]

Originally posted by BROWNer


the far left is just a hurtin' as the far right.

Extreme right = fascism
"extreme" left=equality and personal freedom

Ya, they're like, EXACTLY the same!!!

War sucks. They profit while you die. But then again if you are willing to go and die for a corrupt government, then you probably deserve it.

[Smart]

you're an idiot Spanky, please refrain from joining in political discourse.

[Lil_5panky]

Originally posted by Smart
you're an idiot Spanky, please refrain from joining in political discourse.

If you have anything intelligent to say, I'd love to hear it

[Smart]

Originally posted by Smart
you're an idiot Spanky, please refrain from joining in political discourse.

[Lil_5panky]

:D

[Brownbread?]

Originally posted by bl4ckh4m
the problem is no one tells the truth.

the government doesnt.
the media doesnt.
the activist doesnt
the milita guy doesnt.

everyone can find shit to back up what they are saying.

live fast die young cause its all going to hell anyways.

aint that the truth....

about the war, I feel Bush is taking the wrong approach towards getting rid of Saddam. The more he acts like Rambo the more he makes Saddam look like a victim.
Also, umm doesn't anyone think there is gonna be some sorta retaliation on US soil from Iraq or the Arab world once Bush decides to bomb Iraq.?:confused: ?? I mean the world doesn't view America as an impenetrable giant anymore.

[Esai]

I honestly doubt that any rational thought is being focussed on this subject by America. Since 911 its all about the blind patriotism. For christs sake, your branded a terrorist lover if you even think about mentioning that the 911 attacks had anything to do with the arrogant actions of our country and the victims of its havok. As cheney or bush like to say "thats truly unamerican"(questioning anything they do).

[~DeNtOnE~]

Originally posted by Smart


You know, somebody thought they were really clever when they made this but... the intelligent man knows...

Amoco is now owned by BP, and BP only buys a fraction of their oil from the middle east...

Also, if you want to make sure none of your oil dollars head to the arabs then you can buy at Costal and a few other vendors that don't buy any middle eastern oil...

what about chevron. that the only place i buy gas!:D

[PAYROLL]

the quickest way to end the iraq bullshit:

6 planes, 300megatons...pull some castle bravo type shit and thats all she wrote. w-to the izzo-r-to the dizzy

[Secret]

I watched Public Enemy live last night, so I'm feeling a little more political than usual. To all the people who talk about "Let's start a war with bombs and shit!" First of all, shut the fuck up cause you aren't doing shit. Your life isn't at risk right now because some dumb motherfucker sitting in the White House robbed votes back in 2000. I'm registed to vote and you can bet there's no way in hell I'm letting Bush get re-elected in 2004. I really hope the senate doesn't let Bush go through with this.

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

Originally posted by L3ER
I'm Taking a stand and Calling.....



My local Marines Recruiter, Hooah!
I've signed up and i ship in January, this way i'm insured a job in what i want. You guys have fun in Draft being Infantry and tank support, i'll be busy behind the lines wrenching Helicoptors!



WHAS WRONG WIT JOININ DA MARINE CORPS. I MYSELF AM GOING IN DECEMBER....HOOAH!

[BROWNer]

i guess you like the power dynamic of 'authority' and
having some ass scream in your face and tell you you're
a worthless piece of shit day in and day out all day long.

[SWIMS]

I woke up this morning to raed about a baptist minister proclaim the muslim prophet mohhamed a terrorist. WHAT THE FUCK. Have we as americans become so narrow minded that we have turned on all of our foundations of equality and acceoptance. Our leaders are walking a very thin line that if crossed will offset the balance of the world for our generation. What gives us the right anyway to impress our ideals on anyione else. Especially if we as a people do nat have even the most basic understanding of what is going on in the world. I am mortifyed to think that people like George Bush are trying to dictate world policy. Threatening to go against the UN, the very common fiber that brings us all together. What do you think will happen if the US goes at it alone.I am not trying to say that war is not the anser, in fact it may come down to it, but we need to first understand the way world politics work. The US could definatly out suddam but what happens after that. The kurds to the north are difinatly not in any position to run the country, so what happens when we create this void. If a soldier would you want to go try and keep the peace as grassroots for democracy were layed, every day resisting the local lords and cultral groups that have jostled for porew for centuries. It is very easy to say lets go kill sudam but what then. Are we going to march around the globe solo and overthrow every dictatorship and oppresive govt. We are playing with dirty politics and I look to the future and see us battered and burned. to think with an open mind is going to be the hardest stubborn struggle we as americans have had to face

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

Originally posted by BROWNer
i guess you like the power dynamic of 'authority' and
having some ass scream in your face and tell you you're
a worthless piece of shit day in and day out all day long.



how is that any different in the real world?......call me crazy but i want to have that experience......and i can get ahead in life

[duh-rye-won]

i don't know. i really don't. but there is something about bush's behavior that i think is fucked up...

why the fuck does he need to come out and say, "if we feel like we are being threatened, we have the right to attack" or however he put that concept. thats bullshit. then who doesn't have a right to attack anyone with a weapon?

my point. if you're gonna do it, shut the hell up and do it. whats with all the talk and rationalization? i think this is the kind of thing that you either do, or you don't do. you don't try to justify it first. if he has nuclear shit, blow it the fuck up.

i don't know if i really expressed what i'm feeling here. i'm better at drawing pictures.

[Merdle]

We should assign a 12 oz member to assassinate bush. That peice of shit.

[Dirty_habiT]

yeah and you can be a conspirator when there's a case filed.

[imported_SecretAgentX9]

and here we go...

"The House of Representatives voted 296-133 Thursday to give President Bush the authority to go to war to disarm Iraq."

[SuperSeks]

Originally posted by GRAFARONI


you cant be serious.... :eek: thats the stupedest thing ive ever heard

Ok, first of all its "stupidest", not "stupedest"...stupid. second, the STUPIDest thing I've ever heard is an ignorant ass fuck like you spouting off at the mouth to someone who is actually tryin to make a difference instead of sittin on his ass in front of a computer talkin shit to everyone else. news flash buddy, the freedom of speech you so ignorantly utilize wasn't free. the bill of rights is written in the blood of patriots, many of them Marines. Until you can actually back up the shit you talk, shut the fuck up.

[phism]

find me a smart person that wants to go to war with iraq. i dare you.

[SuperSeks]

intelligence is relative. someone you might consider a genius I might label an idealistic moron. someone I call a realist you might label a reactionary militant. the practice of labelling all your enemies as stupid is a short-sighted one. I'm sure Hussein is pretty smart. I still think he should rot in hell.

[Brownbread?]

Originally posted by Serkoff
and here we go...

"The House of Representatives voted 296-133 Thursday to give President Bush the authority to go to war to disarm Iraq."

that's just scary.haven't people learn from 9-11? I love this country but its seems like America is falling apart. I'm more afraid of Bush's decision than any Iraqi missles(its funny how when other countries have nuke weapons they're considered a threat to the world but our Nukes are consider defense) I know the Arab world aint too happy about this. If we invade Iraq thats like asking for more terrorism on American soil. We haven't even found Bin Laden yet alone this psycho running around near the nation's capitol but still we're planing to go to war.

..

[IntangibleFame]

This thread is like jerking off, you always come back to it....

[Esai]

And when Im done, my hands are sticky.

[IntangibleFame]

Use a sock...or some kleenex....

[Dirty_habiT]

or your pillow?

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by phism
find me a smart person that wants to go to war with iraq. i dare you.

say word...


well, we might as well unsticky this, cuz in a way, we are already at war

they started bombing missile sights near the northern no-fly zone last week

and with congress quaking before a republican executive branch and re-election, it's pretty much on

...i hope all you kids register to vote against Bush in 2004, it looks like that is our last hope

[-MOE LESTER-]

i hope iraq drops a nuclear bomb on my house....go hussein

[IntangibleFame]

Why dont we just join with him and take over the world mwhahahahahaahah!

[Ronnie Dobbs]

DISARM.... please?

[TranceStoner]

I Went to the Rally against the war in central park, nyc last weekend. It was dope, I think they said 50,000 people were there. Alot of good speeches. But theres gonna be an even bigger one. HUGE im sure in Washington next weekend. You guys in the area should go. Im gonna be there!

[IntangibleFame]

War is life and war is death
War's a vaccum but war's a breath
And war is a war that can never be won
But war is the way Johnny got his gun
War, it brings students out in a rally
War's something that I see too much in Cali
War with black, and war with brown
And war with everyone as the sound resounds
in war, more than you bargained for
War is blinding and wars ROAR
War is getting picked off storming the shore
And war is how the rich conrol the poor
War is the boom of impending doom
War fills history books and fills tombs
War is my lyrics when I duel with drums
War is the shape of things to come
War is suffering, war is bluffing
What is it good for, absolutely nothing!
+War+ is one of my favorite groups
And war is why they turn y'all kids to troops
War, between my zodiac twin
One want to do right, one want to sin
War is a loop that does not end
Cause war is often between kin and friend
Everywhere is war and rumors of war
I rap battle hymns cause tour is a war
Some war with God and some with the beast
Some war for war but we war for peace - peace!

[MAYOR]

[img]http://www.meyor.com/stuff/bush.jpg'>

im sure he does it for ths kids...

[Hate Therapy]

Lesson steadily being hammered into the brains of reasonable Americans: don't vote for Bush in 2004.

[TEE_rase_war]

quik solution:
get rid of america, the iraq will take care of itself...

[MAYOR]

Originally posted by TEE_rase_war
quik solution:
get rid of america, the iraq will take care of itself...

sure .. ill just tell the magik wizard to do that ..hocus pocus..

quicker solution .. ride a bike.. save the U.S

[DATSTFC]

The attitude of a lot of you people makes me want to puke. I hope one day you will all be happy when your freedoms are gone. Why the fuck would anyone want to defend that scumbag and his country. Thats the problem with you hippie fucks thats the problem with this country we have become soft. Think about it. What if we along with the other allies didn't do any thing about Hitler Or Stalin hmmmmmmm? And the list goes on I think you catch the idea. Im not sayin drop a H bomb on that country no sense in killing the innocent. Just take out the shitheads. And my last point is for those I hate America Assholes You dont Like it pack your bags and leave Its nice to have that freedom to do so RIGHT!

[SWIMS]

Although I disagree with datsdfc this is a point in time that needs to be taken very seriously. I am sure some little shit is going to fill these pages with BS as some already have. There is a rising level impatientence in the world today. DATSDFC, Germany, USSR, Serievo, IRAQ(in the gulf war) were all aggresors. Do you people even phathom what will happen if we pull the surrounding countries into war. Another question to pick your brain, take this seriously, what happens when suddam is gone. You said just get rid of the shitheads but do you really believe the war torn people, or the US w/o backing from the UN can stabalize IRAQ and it's surrounding countries. What is going to keep us from opening up a lawless void in the middle east. I will hold on to my constitutional rights until my dying breath and I do believe that the US can do wonderfull things for people all over the world, but how do you justify us singlehandedly waving our iron sword of freedome around the globe. Sure war looks cool on TV but there is no light side to it. Take the picture on an earlier post of the APC hitting the land mine. Sure there is an element of awa that makes you go COOL but would you react the same if you saw the same happening to our soldiers.
The elements of freedome and good have become blinded by ignorance and capitolism. The politics of today MAKE ME SICK. Only 24 or 25 representatives voted against bush. Only 25 of the men and women who are supposed to be our closest link to the federal govt stood up and protested the up and coming hell we are going to cause. Any man that sais he will suport the war ask yourself this. Would you be willing to give up your personal rights as a citizen and enlist or be drafted into the military and spend your time picking up the broken world after our govt rages it's battles. Freedome needs to be preserved and protected all over the world but an american offensive on IRAQ will not move us forward, only backwards into more conflict.
-PEACE-

[!@#$%]

it is so easy to say that saddam is 'evil' and must be ousted..

what about the post-war problems???

we haven't even handled afghanistan..

not to mention...how can we kill saddam IF WE CANNOT FIND HIM??

he has twice the resources of bin laden...WHO HAS YET TO BE CAPTURED

the u.s. needs to tackle one foreign policy issue at a time..

i never said i was an anti-war hippie who is defending saddam
i just want concrete evidence of what some politicians are force feeding us..
he doesn't have WMD, smallpox, or nuclear warheads..
(all of which the u.s. posseses)
we are not subject to u.n. inspections, and now we want to become an empire by invading another country?!

that is not freedom..that is a dictatorship bent on world domination..

i am intelligent enough to have foresight beyond "he sucks, lets kill him"

unfortunately, out government does not share that philosophy of forethought, strategy, planning, and patience with the objective of aiding all of humanity, not simply the congressmen up for election and a son bent on revenge

[DATSTFC]

First of all Im not trying to say that war is cool it never is, that wasn t the point I was trying to make. Yeah I know I vent and get pissed but thats how I am. OH and so you think he doesnt have nukes or smallpox and all shit fine. Why make it a point like we are a bad country because we do! Were not usin it on our own people. Umm how many of his own people did Saddam use chemicals on! Come on wake up and smell the coffee while you still can or should I say Wake up and smell the Napalm.
Maybe I stand behind my country to much oh well thats how I am! Maybe we should just kick back stay out of world affairs and let them blow each other up if we dont want to look like a dictatorship bent on world domination. Ah whatever Peace DATSTFC

[!@#$%]

at aberdeen proving grounds, not less than thirty years ago, THE US GOVERNMENT TESTED BIOLOGICAL AGENTS ON THEIR OWN SOLDIERS

apparently, you are the one who needs to wake up

the united states is not the glorious bastion of freedom many seem to think it is

have you also forgetten that the us tested nuclear radiation effects on u.s. soldiers in the 50's???

don't you realize that we as a country do the same shit as far as military preparedness?!

never did i say we should "kick back" or stay out of it..

read the post!!

it says we have a huge mess that we made in afghanistan to clean up

and what about india/pakistan
and israel/palestine

that region CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER WAR

is it worth blowing that whole region of the globe into conflict so that dubya can try and get the guy "who tried to kill his dad" ?!!!

is it worth world war III???


and who will we replace saddam with?
the us military?!

make it another vietnam why don't we?!
send a million innocent us teenagers of to iraq WITH NO CLEAR OBJECTIVE

oust saddam..okay, if we accomplish that
(where is bin laden?? whre is mullah omar?!!)
then what??
dick cheney becomes leader of iraq??


wake up and realize what kind of government we have
and that it is turning this country TO SHIT

[DATSTFC]

I wasnt saying that you said we should kick back and let em blow each other up. You never said that. That was my own idea If we shouldnt get involved fine Fuck em let the animals kill each other!!!! Cause thats all they will end up doing anyway.

[!@#$%]

oh, yeah...i forgot those people were all animals
we are so much better than them:rolleyes:

[DATSTFC]

Yeah they are animals any terrorist assholes or people who wanna kill each other over religion or a little strip land is a animal in my book.:D

[!@#$%]

yeah, and all the citizens of middle eastern countries are terrorists and zealots..

:rolleyes:

you are a great example of why this country is sucking it on the daily

[DATSTFC]

DID I EVER SAY THAT DID I SAY THAT ALL THE PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS NO I DIDNT IN MY ORIGINAL POST I SAID NOT TO DROP AN H BOMB ON THOSE COUNTRIES WHY KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE. IF I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL TERRORISTS I WOULD SAY SCREW EM

[Hate Therapy]

I like this guy. He's somewhat irrational ("I stand behind my country too much ... I vent and get pissed, but thats how I am), responds accordingly to the systems of patriotic propaganda he's been exposed to ("Its nice to have that freedom ... we have become soft"), suggests action without contributing a careful consideration of the potential outcome ("Just take out the shitheads"), quickly generalizes people and brushes them into a convenient category that aims to undermine their belief system ("you hippie fucks"), and prefers abandonment of an issue rather than a progressive, reformative effort towards its ultimate resolution ("you dont Like it, pack your bags and leave").

In my opinion, we need more decisive thinkers like this on board the team with Uncle Sam. Without people like DATSTFC, the very system of carefully dispersed wealth, class seperatism, symbolic democracy, over-development, filtered persuasion, racist policy-making, elite control, annihilation, genocide, etc., that have helped make this most powerful of Dominant Western Nations what it is today simply wouldn't hold its own weight.

Personally, I say fuck Saddam, his starving little nation of dimwits, his supposed arsenal of destructive weapons, his race of moronic, inferior, mustache-weilding camel-jockeys, and whatever collection of Iraqi porn he might possess. We need to unite as a nation and invade that shithole before there aren't any natural resources left for us to squander--and what's more important, before there exists no trace of an actual bad guy to be trumpeted forth as a mascot for the mobilization of popular support against while duelly diverting attention from underlying domestic issues that may be more significant. Quickly! Fuck those towel-heads!

[DATSTFC]

:D :D :D :D :D :D THIS IS GOOD HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE MAKING PEOPLE CRAZY

[!@#$%]

^^^
so i am going to assume you are referring to yourself....

[DATSTFC]

YES MAYBE I AM CRAZY IN MY OWN LITTLE WAY AH SCREW IT WHY DID I GET INVOLVED IN A POLITICAL CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR THE OTHER TEAM. YOU HAVE YOUR VIEWS I HAVE MINE I AM THE BRAIN WASHED PATRIOT YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE BRAIN WASHED LIBERALS HEH WHATEVER FLOATS YOUR BOAT. AT LEAST IN THIS COUNTRY WE DO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO THINK AND SAY THEASE THINGS.

[!@#$%]

come on now
look how upset you are

we were having a nice little debate and you degenerated into self-depracating in caps-lock


i guess we will agree on one thing: at least we can say whatever the fuck we want...

[DATSTFC]

Yeah I guess i got carried away I need a Hug:o

[!@#$%]

:p :p

[deth dealer]

America summerized: an experiment in finding out what shit floats and what does not, America is based on rascism, genocide, slavery all these fucked up things, its still fucked up, the rich get richer the poor get poorer, the economy is on a downward slide, America is the only capitalist county (or close to it) in the world, europe is primarily socailist, america is shifting that way (i think) what does this have to do with Saddam? NOTHING, the govt wants him whacked because he has oil, and lots of it, If he was sitting on a plot of land that had nothing but clay underneath it the u.s. would say fuck it, who cares, saddam did not bring down the towers, 18 suicidal maniacs did, tim mcviegh (one man)killed 350, the towers killed 2800, (2 people were friends of mine R.I.P). Were they bankrolled by saddam? who the fuck really knows

[deth dealer]

America summerized: an experiment in finding out what shit floats and what does not, America is based on rascism, genocide, slavery all these fucked up things, its still fucked up, the rich get richer the poor get poorer, the economy is on a downward slide, America is the only capitalist country (or close to it) in the world, europe is primarily socailist, america is shifting that way (i think) what does this have to do with Saddam? NOTHING, the govt wants him whacked because he has oil, and lots of it, If he was sitting on a plot of land that had nothing but clay underneath it the u.s. would say fuck it, who cares, saddam did not bring down the towers, 18 suicidal maniacs did, tim mcviegh (one man)killed 350, the towers killed 2800, (2 people were friends of mine R.I.P). Were they bankrolled by saddam? who the fuck really knows

[deth dealer]

OOPS I posted it twice, i don't think my opinion is worth this much time

[Fugazi]

Bomb Iraq. If nothing else, just for the fuck of it.

[SWIMS]

You say america is based on racism genocide and slavery. What happened to freedom and free thought. Capitolism is human nature. The voice of the people, especially the workers needs to be heard and respected and we have a government set up to do this. We are entering a period of narrow minded very conservative american leaders. The assurance and preservation of our ideals is something this country has every right to protect, but this needs to happen in a way that will not let all hell break loose. The looming danger is that IRAQ has some sort of weapon capable of causing massive destruction and that if we(america? UN? EU?) do not act it will be to late. He will hit our territories or isreal. But once this happens he knows he will face the full force of the world. And this time the same mistakes will not be made. So If somebody could just put Busch in check, move towards a solution involving the eventual overthrow of suddam, there would need to be a beurocracy capable of filling the void(preferably not american soldiers). I think we will see a public outcry large enough to bring the conservative republican body back down to earth. Get ascroft and busch to really look at the situatioon and not just blind the public with speeches on "AMERICAN VALUES"
I would also not consider myself a brainwashed liberal but without agression towards the US or our allies there is not reason all out obliteration of IRAQ. Use the UN, an institution whose mission is to balance world order. Now some may say theyy are pacafists but do you really think Bush has considered as many options or understands the situation as well as Kofi Anan. Their action may not be as swift but in the long run the final product will be more stable and prosperous than anything the US could atain.

[im not witty]

Originally posted by SWIMS
Capitolism is human nature.

first of all... its capitalism, no "O", but that is belittled by the fact that thay is the most retarded fucking thing ive ever heard. If capitAlism was human nature then every human in every society would follow it.

However this is most certainly not true, in fact there is not any economic system that is human nature. tribalism, socialism, anarchism, communism, there are hundreds of political/economic structures that all kinds of different people subscribe too, how they think things should be. human nature....bah humbug.


*edited* upon reading your post again, i have no idea what made you say this or how it pertains to whatever point you thought you were making in the first place. your talking about capitalism is human nature and then you say the voice of the worker needs to be heard? thats ridiculous.whatever.

[deth dealer]

I agree w/ 'I'm not witty' I just did'nt feel like pointing out such a goofy statement. Human nature is to eat, sleep, party, fuck etc...not sit in rush hour traffic every fuckin day making some dick head rich while i make nothing, the economy is going nowhere fast and this is why, no one want to bust their ass for some ingrateful slavedriver boss. Fuck it all, the global economy is on the rise and guess what it ain't capitalist!

[KaBar]

Since the United States fought a war on it's own soil. The American people are fat, happy and lazy. They are very much used to the good life we live here, and they believe that they are entitled to it, just by virtue of being born here.

Other people of the world do not think like this. They know better.

Some people believe that the American people are so morally weak and economically undisciplined that they are like a staggering drunk--one little push and they can be overthrown.

In large measure, this may be true of many of us. The Great Depression was a long time ago. Very few people who lived through it as adults are still alive. My Dad was born in 1925. He was four when Wall Street crashed, and 13 when WWII broke out in Europe. He was just barely old enough (17) to catch the last couple of years of the war, in the Army Air Corps. Although he lived through it, he was a kid, and didn't really understand what was going on. But my grandparents , who raised five children in the middle of abject poverty on farms in the North Texas Dust Bowl, understood it very well. Til the day they died, they scrimped and saved, and ratholed extra cash in canning jars ("No banks--you can't trust them.") My grandfather stockpiled EVERYTHING. He had scores of boxes of 12 gauge shotgun shells for his old single-shot shotgun, and boxes of .30-30 cartridges for his Winchester. He bought boots and overalls and "saved them for a rainy day." They canned their own garden vegetables. He told me once that "owning your own land is the best thing a man can do for his family. Don't buy on credit. Pay cash on the barrelhead for whatever you buy, and remember that money spent on family is never wasted."

I do not heed his very sage advice, but I should, especially the part about REMAINING DEBT FREE.

You can't do shit about how stupidly our country is behaving economically, but you can do something about the way you behave personally. Don't be wasteful. Don't borrow. Don't think like a spendthrift. Take pride in TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY. "Keep a Clean Camp." You won't regret it. When the shit hits the fan, you'll take it in stride, because you'll be prepared.

Everybody made fun of the survivalists before Y2K. I know several who prepared heavily. They are still heavily prepared. Come what may, they are ready to deal with it. Are you?

[MAYOR]

i guess were just fortunate to have the good life :king:

[Hate Therapy]

Everything that humans do can be considered an extension of "human nature." In life we're humans doing what comes naturally, no matter what it is that we're doing. Depending on your viewpoint even supposedly "unnatural" tendencies within the human sphere--things like pollution and environmental destruction--can be recognized as prominent aspects of our "human nature."
At the same time each one of us is an individual and might have a different idea of what "human nature" means to us specifically, or even generally, so the concept becomes blurry.
Whatever, I guess.

[MAYOR]

Originally posted by Hate Therapy
Everything that humans do can be considered an extension of "human nature." In life we're humans doing what comes naturally, no matter what it is that we're doing. Even supposedly "unnatural" tendencies within the human sphere--things like pollution and environmental destruction--can fall within the category of our "human nature."
At the same time each one of us is an individual and might have a different idea of what "human nature" means to us specifcially, or even generally, so the concept is a blurry one anyway.
Whatever, I guess.

i agree i do see all your guys points.. but that doesnt mean everyone has to agree to your opinion.. in my honest opinion.. i say do whats best for the country .. if bombing iraq is best then do it..as someone said above.. we havent faught in american soil in for ever.. i think its time to get off our asses and start wrecking shit.. money and entertainment and drugs has taken over the past years.. time to do some old fashion middle east bashin..i'd love to see tanks roaming around my streets.. would make for a good photo edition to my web site :D

[binnki]

Iam a trigger happy son of a bitch and i say blow those fukers off the map beyach

[Wi$H]

without even readin this i have but one thing to say, the easyest way to prevent war on iraq is to just let the u.n. deal with it.

[Fugazi]

Why should Iraq be spared? Should we let them develop weapons of mass destruction? Should we let him kill everyone of opposing political parties in his country? Kill him. Kill everyone that follows him. Kill them all.

[PAYROLL]

This is not a Fugazi t-shirt.

[IntangibleFame]

close this thread already...

[PAYROLL]

haha my names on top now sucka. intangiblefame my ass.

[IntangibleFame]

:rolleyes:

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
haha my names on top now sucka. intangiblefame my ass.

[IntangibleFame]

:king:

[PAYROLL]

fucking toy...

[IntangibleFame]

haha......

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
fucking toy...

[IntangibleFame]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
Im gay

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
Im gay
yeah, clever dude! fucking faggot

[IntangibleFame]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
yeah, dudeI fuck faggots

[PAYROLL]

why do you think its cool to have your name on every thread on the first page? you dont even paint, you channel zero jocker.

[IntangibleFame]

yhea i guess you found me out shucks......

[PAYROLL]

not today

[IntangibleFame]

The future is now...

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
The future is now...

[IntangibleFame]

You just dont let up do you....

[PAYROLL]

you're battling a robot.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
not today

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
not today

[PAYROLL]

give up...

[IntangibleFame]

never

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
give up...

[IntangibleFame]

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
never

[PAYROLL]

resistance is futile...

[IntangibleFame]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
resistance is futile...

Indeed.....

[binnki]

Problem:wow roll at first i though you just didnt like me then i realized that your just an ass to everyone
Solution: Go play in traffic

[IntangibleFame]

I like him....so why dont you get out of here and go **edited**

[PAYROLL]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by IntangibleFame
I like him....so why dont you get out of here and go **edited** [/QUOTEI didn't know you cared...sniffle...:pulling myself together:




























bump to the top of sticky-icky-icky land

[PAYROLL]

misspellings for you to correct...

[IntangibleFame]

It was supposed to read "slit your wrists and jump off a bridge" but I decided it was better left open...

[IntangibleFame]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
misspellings for you to correct...

I do not care enough.... ;) :)

[PAYROLL]

or maybe you don't know how to correct them!! booyah! in yo' face, bitch! what chu gon' do now, mang! ooooooooooooooooooooooh! i told you! talk to the hand, cause PAYROLL ain't lissnin'! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!




































i think i'll shut up now. :lol:

[IntangibleFame]

Oh man.....talk about pulling my card....:eek: :lol: :lol:

[PAYROLL]

the deuce of diamonds...:confused:

[IntangibleFame]

I prefer the Ace of Spades....and on that note im leaving have fun being on top...

[PAYROLL]

peace, we'll holla, keep it real, the usual b.s.

[binnki]

for sheezy

[PAYROLL]

Pull up your shorts, youngster. You aren't ready.

[binnki]

its odd that you call me youngster, and i really wana make you my bitch again now but ill hold my toung and laugh silently

[PAYROLL]

you are a toy

[binnki]

and your my bitch

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
you are a toy

[Ronnie Dobbs]

wha?!

[PAYROLL]

.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

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[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Originally posted by Ronnie Dobbs
[img]x'>

[PAYROLL]

there is no midwest coast, biaiaiaizzniatch

[Smok]

Ever since 9/11 I've had this feeling that all of this is bullshit. Something just seems a little shady.

[HESHIANDET]

grow a set hippies...

[GLIK$]

/bling

no more sticky?