BUSH IS THE NEW HITLER

[Secret]

I'm usually not the type of person to take things seriously, but the war has gotten to me. To those that take the war against Iraq seriously, have any of you been doing anti-war vandalism? I know vandalism is wrong, yea yea yea, but we're graffiti writers we KNOW how to piss people off and send out a strong message. So for once, I'm trying to use that positively. I'm going out 4 nights this week. Please help out. If enough people call congress we can stop the war.

Sincerely,

Secret the Bush hater

[uncle-boy]

yeah i hate when chicks dont shave down there;)

[Secret]

If you don't wanna discuss the war get the fuck out.

[Dirty_habiT]

Yeah, uncle knows about the whisker biscuit. Good idea Secret, I'm gonna do that.

[Dirty_habiT]

Seriously Secret, Sadam has had a negative attitude towards the USA since before the gulf war. He's made nuclear weapons.... I think that fool needs to die.

[uncle-boy]

[img]http://healthydevil.studentaffairs.duke.edu/images/salt.gif'>

[Poop Man Bob]

Secret, there may be hope that Bush won't be in office in 2005 if things stay how they are now (which likely won't happen.) At least the upcoming elections may swing in the Democrats favor.

Taken from www.drudgereport.com (http://www.drudgereport.com):

Election fever intensifies as NYTCBSNEWS is set to release its latest poll which shows a majority of Americans say that the nation's economy is in its worst shape in nearly a decade.

MORE

Newsroom sources tell DRUDGE that editors have set the poll for Page One leads in Monday runs, designed for maximum impact.

The paper is basing its lead on the poll of just 668 adults nationwide, sources said late Sunday afternoon.

"President Bush and congressional leaders are spending too much time talking about Iraq, while neglecting problems at home," a majority believe, according to the media giants.

The poll found signs of economic distress that cut across party and geographic lines. Nearly half of all Americans are worried that they or someone in their household will be out of a job within a year.

Impacting...

Updates as cycle develops...

[Filed by Matt Drudge in New York City]

[Secret]

Originally posted by Dirty_habiT
Seriously Secret, Sadam has had a negative attitude towards the USA since before the gulf war. He's made nuclear weapons.... I think that fool needs to die.

The scary thing is that Saddam Hussein was alias with the US before the gulf war. I don't understand Bush at all. He thinks threating Saddam Hussein with a war is going to make him back down and disarm. What is this fool smoking? Everybody knows Saddam Hussein doesn't play like that. Making threats to him and his country will only make him more angry and dangerous. He'll just come back with bigger weapons and fuck us all up. Iraq doesn't even want to fight the US, but the we seem to have a bad habit of sticking our fingers in other people's cookie jars... and people wonder why other countries don't like us.

[swif1]

i heard on a local radio station that saddam has two people who had surgery to look just like him. and they're also trained to have the same body expression(?) as him. so it's not always the actual saddam on in photos sometimes.


*edit*


anyone know what saddam did with all those playstation 2s?

[destroya]

he hooked them up for some 200 player unreal parties.

[Merdle]

Bush is a war lord, I hate that fucker. I've been doing some anti war shit around.

[Dirty_habiT]

Secret what you said is true.... but in a way I think that we need to be keeping an eye on his weapon production. He seems to be in that same mind set as Laden was. By that I mean, he will attack when no one expects. Bush may be trying to prevent this by ridding the weapons before they are used. And if we have to kill those people because they don't want to comply, I say we gotta do what we gotta do. These thoughts are merely my thoughts.


For real, you guys need to come with something more than some "well thought out" one sentence reply.

[AeRoSoL JuNkiE]

Originally posted by Secret
have any of you been doing anti-war vandalism? I know vandalism is wrong, yea yea yea


1.) Anti-war/Bush/government is all i've been doing lately.
2.)I never thought i would see that one comment on a graf message board...seriously, i think i wet myself. I think more graff should start being more political though, like the "No more prisons" deal.

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by Dirty_habiT
Secret what you said is true.... but in a way I think that we need to be keeping an eye on his weapon production. He seems to be in that same mind set as Laden was. By that I mean, he will attack when no one expects.

Hussein isn't stupid. He knows that if he attacks anyone unprovoked all hell is going to rain down upon the country of Iraq - and especially his leadership.

Bin Laden, on the other hand, represents an amorphous group w/o ties to any particular country. He, unlike Hussein, can attack the US and slink into the shadows ... resulting in the strongest country in the world not knowing his location.

Hussein sent a 2 page letter to the UN stating that they would allow weapons inspectors once again at a time when Bush's fervor was at its peak. He's playing his political cards right now and doing so rather efficiently: a good portion of the world is against any action on our part re Iraq.

[Lil_5panky]

Regardless of whether you support war or not--If you really think this shit is even about the "danger" Saddam supposedly poses in the first place, you need to pull your head out your ass. The real motivation behind an invasion of iraq is that the the oilmen who are selling this war would looooooooove to take control of Iraq's oil supply, if the US really cared about weapons they wouldnt be allying with countries like Saudi Arabia which is known to be linked to terrorism, or with countries like Pakistan and Israel which are also stockpiling nukes. As it is there has been NO EVIDENCE that Iraq even has weapons of mass destruction, or even the ability to make them in the first place. They offered to let inspectors come in and search anywhere they want but oh no, Bu$h cant agree to that cause then he'd have to admit that there's no legitimate reason to go in and bomb the shit out of a starviing 3rd world country. (more hypocrisy for ya--ask the victims of Gulf War syndrome or the Iraqi kids dying of cancer from our depleted uranium how unwilling the US is to use weapons of mass destruction)

Anyways yeah I've been putting up some anti-war shit lately too...Trite but true slogans like "No war but the class war", "Fight War not Wars", "Destroy power not people", anarchy signs over Amerikkkan flags, etc etc...

Oh yeah and fuck the Democrats, just cause htey talk the talk doesnt mean they are actually any better than the Republikkkans in practice. If you're gonna vote, vote Green.

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by Lil_5panky
Regardless of whether you support war or not--If you really think this shit is even about the "danger" Saddam supposedly poses in the first place, you need to pull your head out your ass.


Right there is where I stopped reading. Thanks ya stupid whisker biscuit ganderin fuck.

[Lil_5panky]

Thanks for proving that your illiterate ass has no intelligent argument to contradict what i'm saying. What a tool. :lol:

[swif1]

Originally posted by Lil_5panky
Amerikkkan...Republikkkans


gee, KKK sure stands out in my eyes.

[Secret]

Originally posted by Lil_5panky
The real motivation behind an invasion of iraq is that the the oilmen who are selling this war would looooooooove to take control of Iraq's oil supply

I never saw things in that perspective. Could be true, but what's frustrating is that nobody really knows for a FACT whether Saddam Hussein is keeping "weapons of mass destruction" under his wings or not. Your quote could a lot make sense... seems like most of United States history is based on greed anyways.

[AeRoSoL JuNkiE]

Originally posted by swif1



gee, KKK sure stands out in my eyes.

it's not saying he's down with the KKK. think a little more about it...

[swif1]

i plan on it. :)

[imported_SenorSeven]

DIRTY HABIT- we have nuclear weapons and are the worlds largest terrorist country..maybe we should all die too? Hell not only do we have them, we threaten to use them as well! Amazing how much we are like Saddam..only difference is he has actually used chemical/biological weapons on his own people in Northern Iraq - the kurrrrrrrds.

but going to war would be dumb. all our soldiers would die..so quick...no way an US army could handle urban warfare- if you know anything about this..then you know our armed forces are scared of it because they are scared to kill innocent bystanders/civilians and always end up being killedi n their trainings....so...lets see.....we would lose.


bush is a joke. id rather live in a communist country than live another 4 years under bush.

[uncle-boy]

[img]http://www.paulreveresociety.com/files/Mag1.JPG'>

[AREANKAY]

anti war graffiti is a waste of paint really who bothers to look at graffiti other than just seeing the destruction. No one dose except other kids that write and maybe some new wave art fags that are being trendy I don’t care if you do a 50 foot roller piece on the front of the white house with some anti war quote next to it, if they want to start dropping bombs they will.

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by Lil_5panky
Thanks for proving that your illiterate ass has no intelligent argument to contradict what i'm saying. What a tool. :lol:

Look here you little bitch, why don't you hop up here on daddy's dick. I didn't read that shit, you're a dumbass, you don't convince someone of your opinion or argument by saying offensive stuff. You did, however, convince me that you're a stupid fucker. :mumble: stupid fucker.

And yes, we may have weapons, and we may be "terrorists".... but we do have alot to protect. We also have alot to offer. What other country has freedom in the way that we do? I know there are other's but, why is it that people want to move their families here? This place is a glamorous place to live.... it's just not so great when we have someone who is "stupid" in the position of being prez.


Soooo, what I'm really saying is.... I don't want to get blown up, and I don't want anyone innocent to die. Including Saudi Arabians.

[Secret]

AREANKAY, I never said graffiti is going to stop the war... I'm just trying to make people aware of it. Maybe this hasn't happened to you, but I've caught plenty of attention through graffiti, whether it's graffiti writers or not.

[non-hetero]

[img]http://momsbox.com/upload/bush.gif'>
^- Inspired by this thread.

[Ferris Bueller]

Duke does not belong in office. He is an idiot and a half. I'm not a very political person at all, but what Bush has been up to is absolutely ridiculous. This whole Iraq deal is a very very very bad idea. I think provoking Iraq with war is worse than not doing anything at all and minding our own business...but can the United States do that? Nope. We gotta be nosey fucks and be up in everyone's business...that's what gets this country in trouble and causes us to catch so much beef. Now Switzerland is no longer neutral? What the fuck. I know it's old news, but still. Moving to Canada in the next decade or so looks like a mighty fine idea.

[toyeattoywar]

ill support that.

[bug]

Originally posted by AREANKAY
anti war graffiti is a waste of paint really who bothers to look at graffiti other than just seeing the destruction. No one dose except other kids that write and maybe some new wave art fags that are being trendy I don’t care if you do a 50 foot roller piece on the front of the white house with some anti war quote next to it, if they want to start dropping bombs they will.

what you say is of course true. but the intent of anti-war graffiti isn't to directly stop some politicians making such critical decisions. its about boosting awareness and morale. if our leaders just went and bombed the fuck out of some other country without any sign of domestic outcry, i would be scared for our own people. seeing anti-war graffiti lets me know that many others support the anti-war movement, and keeps it on my mind.

[socrates]

If there's going to be rioting me involved...count me in

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by Dirty_habiT
Look here you little bitch, why don't you hop up here on daddy's dick. I didn't read that shit, you're a dumbass, you don't convince someone of your opinion or argument by saying offensive stuff. You did, however, convince me that you're a stupid fucker. :mumble: stupid fucker...
One word: HYPOCRITE.

Originally posted by Dirty_habiT
...it's just not so great when we have someone who is "stupid" in the position of being prez.
If I were you, I'd keep my trap shut about people and their so-called stupidity because...

Originally posted by Dirty_HabiT
Soooo, what I'm really saying is.... I don't want to get blown up, and I don't want anyone innocent to die. Including SAUDI ARABIANS.
...the supposed war in question is with IRAQ, you dipshit!!!

[Brownbread?]

Originally posted by Secret
AREANKAY, I never said graffiti is going to stop the war... I'm just trying to make people aware of it. Maybe this hasn't happened to you, but I've caught plenty of attention through graffiti, whether it's graffiti writers or not.

i kinda understand what you're saying but anti-war "Graffitti" is veiwed by most of the public as nothing else but "graffitti". If you're trying to get at a broad audience the fact that you're using graffitti to promote your message isn't gonna do you much help.

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by Secret
I never said graffiti is going to stop the war... I'm just trying to make people aware of it.
I hate to break your stride, but everyone's already aware.


Originally posted by Secret
graffiti writers
HAHAHA! You said "graffiti writers." Might as well call us all "taggers.":rolleyes:

[Tyler Durden]

Originally posted by Secret
If enough people call congress we can stop the war.


no. no we cant. i'm pretty sure that bush will just do it anyhow, since he's hitler and all.

they said he could come in for his arms inspections and hes like "eh, nah.......fuck you anways."

then again, im no politicamal expert....writing "fuck bush" next to my shit just feels so rebellious though.

[KING BLING]

Originally posted by Dirty_habiT


And yes, we may have weapons, and we may be "terrorists".... but we do have alot to protect. We also have alot to offer. What other country has freedom in the way that we do? I know there are other's but, why is it that people want to move their families here? This place is a glamorous place to live.... it's just not so great when we have someone who is "stupid" in the position of being prez.


Soooo, what I'm really saying is.... I don't want to get blown up, and I don't want anyone innocent to die. Including Saudi Arabians.

We have nothing more or less to protect that any other 1st world country - of which there are about 26 I beleive. Secondly the only thing that you seem to really be refering to is freedom of speech and money - both things that we have discouraged in countries across the globe in our efforts to protect resources and a "free" market.

Secondly, this "glamourous place" has not seen imigration from anyone who is not poor, starving and living under the foot of corrupted governemetnts (like Mexico). So I suppose we have that to be greatful for, but truthfully that shit exists as a by-product of what we are anyways. Also I can appreciate it but I'm not going to get patriotic because I have a few more rights. Thats like thanking a bully for not punching you as many times as the other bully did.

Something to look for while we are fighting this war:
foreign investment - its all going to Europe. Our financial situation mimics the Japanese recession which began 12 years ago. First a stock market bubble, than a minor recession where people begin shying away from the market and begin investing in real estate, which inflates the price of real estate. Foreign investments stop, which is really one of the only hopes for an economy aside from government projects. Workers are laid off - something never before done in Japan. After this happens, the stock market is gone, people don't have money to buy property and the price paid for it forces one to sell high or hold. Cash stops exchanging hands and poof a full blown hopeless recession.

Lastly, the last time, and one of the few times that simply cutting taxes worked towards fixing an economy was when Kennedy was president.

Bush is a hack

[Dirty_habiT]

Ok, I'm glad my post is being analyzed by someone. I didn't mean saudi arabians, but you fixed that for me.... thanks for adding the dipshit in there... Saudi Arabians did, however, get blown up in the last war over there, ie. playgrounds bombed, etc.... Good lookin out though..... you knew what I meant, now get back to whittlin.

[willy.wonka]

[img]http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/intl-gallery4/400-intl-gallery4-02.jpg'>

I thought that Ariel Sharon was more of a modern day Hitler..kinda ironic too.
[img]http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2001/2/11/image_portret288_6.%20Israeli%20Prime%20Minister-elect%20Ariel%20Sharon%20voiced%20optimism%20he%20 will%20be%20able%20to%20.jpg'>
[img]http://www.bulatlat.com/news/2-9/anti-sharon.jpg'>
[img]http://www.electronicintifada.net/al-bassaleh/newsphotos/kidarrest.jpg'>
[img]http://www.electronicintifada.net/al-bassaleh/newsphotos/rumsfeld.jpg'>
[img]http://www.tribulationalinstitute.com/bushnuke.jpg'>
[img]http://images.ireland.com/newspaper/world/1101/sharon.jpg'>
[img]http://www.uberland.com/images/sharon-salute.jpg'>

[willy.wonka]

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im sorry, i feel pictures are a better way to exspress my anger towards war.

[willy.wonka]

[img]http://www.ummah.net/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/images/beatchild.jpg'>
little boy beaten to death
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[T.T Boy]

jesus fuck.

[willy.wonka]

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[img]http://www.ummah.net/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/images/imanhijo.jpg'>
this shit is makin my heart ache

[BROWNer]

[img]http://images.ireland.com/newspaper/world/1101/sharon.jpg'>

wow. this photo leaves me speechless*

[willy.wonka]

Ariel Sharon has been doing this all his life..the first commander against "terror"

"for somebody who has been killing all his life..i think it would be dangerous to put that type of person in power"
-my younger brother

[willy.wonka]

genocide (http://www.ummah.com/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/jenin.htm)

[BROWNer]

willy: here's a link for you..
http://www.harpers.org/online/gaza_diary/?pg=1

[willy.wonka]

[img]http://www.ummah.com/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/images/durrah.jpg'>

[Abracadabra]

george wants sadam's oil. period. sadam has shitty weapons. big deal. his weapons are out of date. even if he has nukes, so does the usa, so if bush wants to start a war over having nukes, that means the rest of the world should be waging war on the usa and russia (in bush's thinking). bush is a fuckwit war mongering terrorist who needs to be assassinated asap.

random words from a random guy

[FIST2CUFFS]

fuck bush, fuck war, fuck everyone. there is no peace without war.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Originally posted by willy.wonka

[img]http://www.ummah.net/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/images/2.jpg'>
[img]http://www.ummah.net/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/images/4a.jpg'>


The "bullet" (it was actually shrapnel) entry holes don't match up... but whatever the truth is, it's still fucking sad.

It's amazing how this world can carry so much beauty and so much ugliness all at once. Beer,

El Mamerro

[!@#$%]

like i've said before

i usually don't get very politically active, but the war bullshit scares me..

bush is sending us all to hell in a handbasket..


all those photos are incredibly fucking sad...

[Ferris Bueller]

we should all be thankful that we don't have to deal with such violence on a daily basis...

but still...bush is fucking up.

[Dirty_habiT]

that's pretty fuckin sick.

[BROWNer]

[img]http://images.ireland.com/newspaper/world/1101/sharon.jpg'>

[effyoo]

a German member of congress or whatever they have there got in trouble recently for making remarks that compared Bush to Hitler. She said that bush was war mongering to take notice away from the troubles that are happening at home, like how Hitler did with Poland, etc

[--zeSto--]

US President George W Bush will try to keep up public support for his tough stand against Iraq in a televised speech on Monday night.

Mr Bush will address the nation at 2001 local time (0001 GMT Tuesday morning) from Cincinnati, Ohio, in the heartland of the United States, where he is expected to lay out his case against Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

everyone pay attention and try not to smash your TV.

[effyoo]

thanks for reminding me, zesto. I'm going to try and catch that tonight if I can stay awake (not from boredom, I've been awake since 11 last night so around then looks like it might be bedtime).

[BROWNer]

i've heard alot of regular, everyday people make the hitler comparison.
i'm willing to bet money that the
freedom of information act is next on the chopping block.
the thing that's pathetic is he had an opportunity to shape
american world leadership for the positive..this is a guy that said
he wanted america to take on a humbler role in the world
during his campaign...this is also a guy that throws around
criticisms about his political opponents being compromised by
'special interests'..
the word is out.

[--zeSto--]

I do not compare Bush to Hitler.

I DO compare him to Nero.

Does anyone get that reference?

[effyoo]

Nero? The Roman Emperor who sat and watched while Rome burned? If that was Nero then yes, yes I do.

Good comparison, zesto. That seems to be more accurate than comparing him to Hitler, and more pathetic in a way, don't you think?

[--zeSto--]

I'm glad you caught that effyou.

Famous as the emperor who "fiddled while Rome burned", Nero is one of the more interesting characters to wear the imperial purple. The first five years of his reign were considered the "Golden Time" of Imperial Rome. However, he was more passionate about the arts and chariot racing* than he was about governing the Empire, which soon made him extremely unpopular with the army and the Senate**. Emotionally and psychologically unstable, having a flare for the dramatic, and possessing nearly unlimited resources*** made Nero a truly shocking figure at points during his reign. On the good side, he was responsible for one of the greatest flourishing of the arts in the history of Rome. In the end, several rebellions and mutinees brought about his death through suicide. He was the last of the Julio-Claudian emperors.

*warmongering
**the people of the USA
***Oil Money

The start of the downfall of Rome.

[--zeSto--]

here's a few Bush as Nero Article...

The Emperors Bush and Nero (http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2002/2914bush_nero.html)

bush is antichrist (http://www.geocities.com/trebor_92627/Bush.htm)
^^ skip to exhibit #2

[effyoo]

I've always thought that you could draw parallels between the US and the Roman Empire and have have wondered when/ if the US would have the same fate as the Romans. Hmmm...

[effyoo]

nice... as I was typing, you come through with that article.

[Secret]

Originally posted by PAYROLL

HAHAHA! You said "graffiti writers." Might as well call us all "taggers.":rolleyes:

Damn straight. That's exactly what I am... a graffiti writer unlike your toy ass that just talks about it on 12oz. Don't underestimate me as a writer because my "lingo" doesn't match with yours. Ooooh Secret said "graffiti writers" Jesus.... go cry me a fucking river and go fuck yourself.

Secret FDS STYLE CREW NATIONWIDE better recognize, bitch.

[Dirty_habiT]

haha, Secret, pulled your card son.

[PAYROLL]

Originally posted by Secret


Damn straight. That's exactly what I am... a graffiti writer unlike your toy ass that just talks about it on 12oz. Don't underestimate me as a writer because my "lingo" doesn't match with yours. Ooooh Secret said "graffiti writers" Jesus.... go cry me a fucking river and go fuck yourself.

Secret FDS STYLE CREW NATIONWIDE better recognize, bitch. lets get all bent out of shape, okay? boy do i feel stupid....shit.
flex those internet muscles, tough guy. im shakin...
and fds is a brand of "feminine" deodorant...represent away:)

[Secret]

You're right once again (now here's a cookie)... FDS is an all female crew made up of LA's hardest hitters. Now I shall keep hating bush and keep representing away....

Secret Fuck Dumb Sluts 2002

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
lets get all bent out of shape, okay? boy do i feel stupid....shit.
flex those internet muscles, tough guy. im shakin...
and fds is a brand of "feminine" deodorant...represent away:)

ohmilord this is funny...

first he calls secret tough guy
then he thinks he's dissing her by mentioning feminine deodorant

the net gets funnier every day

[T.T Boy]

thats a fucking twisted picture browner, it seriously creeps me out.

[--zeSto--]

and what's wrong with america today ??

[img]http://www.bigdarkcloud.com/images/tp-bling.jpg'>

[imported_EatMorGlue]

Originally posted by effyoo
Nero? The Roman Emperor who sat and watched while Rome burned? If that was Nero then yes, yes I do.

Good comparison, zesto. That seems to be more accurate than comparing him to Hitler, and more pathetic in a way, don't you think?

good call.. i just came in here to respond that while bush is a real warhawk sonofabitch... comparing him to hitler is kind of wrong and really trivializes the holocaust.

[Tyler Durden]

Originally posted by willy.wonka
[img]http://www.ummah.net/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/images/4a.jpg'>



mmm. delicious.

[uncle-boy]

Originally posted by willy.wonka

[img]http://www.ummah.com/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/images/durrah.jpg'>


this stuff makes me cry.:(

[I Luv Roo]

Originally posted by Secret


I never saw things in that perspective. Could be true, but what's frustrating is that nobody really knows for a FACT whether Saddam Hussein is keeping "weapons of mass destruction" under his wings or not. Your quote could a lot make sense... seems like most of United States history is based on greed anyways.

Secret, that's ALL it's about. That's all it's been about since Reagan started getting his hands dirty over there. The Bush's are an OIL family, they have millions of dollars as a result of the oil industry. And now Bush wants to spend Billions of taxpayer dollars so that he and the rest of them can line their pockets even more!

It's all going to blow up in our faces. We the people will suffer as a result of being blind and ignorant to these peoples' alterior motives. Hopefully, at least, it will cost him the election in 2004... that's the most I can hope for right now without driving myself insane with anger. It's one thing that Bush and his cabinet are evil bastards - that's expected given these guys' history in office, and how much money they make every term. What's worse to me is the way the rest of the congress and senate are bending over and taking it in the ass. Fuck the Republicans, and now, fuck the Democrats for being the sniveling, spineless fruitcakes that they have become! Did you know there are only about 26 total housemembers who opposed this new legislation - that gives Bush the right to violate UN laws? 26! - out of how many?

And the media is SO in on it - don't think they're not controlled by the republicans. This is how manipulative they are: They put a 9 year old boy on the 10 o'clock news, at a anti-war demonstration in SF, this 9 year old little shithead says, to the entire nation: "we should just kill all of them". Aaaww how cute! Kids are so smart these days!

At least when I was 9 we were all singing John Lennon's "Give Peace A Chance"....

[AeRoSoL JuNkiE]

Bushes speech is on right now...i don't have anything to say, this pisses me off. This guy sounds just some someone who's trying to brainwash people into believing that war with Iraq is the only way to go...for the past 25 minutes all this guys is talking about is things bad about Iraq and so on. Fuck this guy...i can't wait for the day when he gets out of office. nothing good has come from this man...

[willy.wonka]

i liked how he tried to connect bin laden and his crew with saddam and his mafia...from my understanding bin laden hates saddam.and if we go to war with iraq just because they "might" have nukeular capability, we might as well go to war with north korea and the many other "acceses of evil."
GW PUBES seemed to be makin stuff up as he went along.his speech should have been, "we're going to war with whether you like it or not."
AMERICA is supposed to be the worlds rollmodel, well heres a tip to the other countries..go invade any country you want at any time..take what you want and kill anybody who gets in your way.

[I Luv Roo]

George Carlin on Bush War



by GEORGE CARLIN



Rockets and Penises in the Persian Gulf



History Lesson I'd like to talk a little about that

'war' we had in the Persian Gulf. Remember that? The big war in the Persian Gulf? Lemme tell you what was goin' on.



Naturally, you can forget all that entertaining

fiction about having to defend the model democracy those lucky

Kuwaitis get to live under. And for the moment you can also put aside the very real, periodic need Americans have for testing their new weapons on human flesh. And also, just for the fun of it, let's ignore George Bush Sr.'s obligation to protect the oil interests of his family and friends. There was another, much more

important, consideration at work. Here's what really happened.



Dropping a Load for Uncle Sam.



The simple fact is that America was long overdue to

drop high explosives on helpless civilians; people who have no

argument with us whatsoever. After all, it had been awhile, and the hunger gnaws. Remember that's our specialty: picking on countries that have marginally effective air forces...



A Disobedient American



Now you folks might've noticed, I don't feel about

that Gulf War the way we were instructed to feel about it by the

United States government. My mind doesn't work that way. You see, I've got this real moron thing I do, it's called 'Thinking.' And I guess I'm not a very good American, because I like to form my own opinions; I don't just roll over when I'm told. Most Americans roll over on command. Not me; I observe some preliminary rules.



Believe You Me



My first rule: I never believe what any authority says. None of them: Government, police, clergy, the corporate criminals. None of them. And neither do I believe anything I'm told by the media, who, in the case of the Gulf War, functioned as little

more than unpaid employees of the Defense Department, and who, most of the time, operate as an unofficial public relations agency for the government and industry. I don't believe any of them. And I have to tell you, folks, I don't really believe very much in my country either. I don't get all choked up about yellow ribbons and American flags. I see them as symbols, and I leave them to the symbol-minded.



Show us your Dick



I also look at war itself a little differently from most. I see it largely as an exercise in dick-waving. That's really all it is: a lot of men standing around in a field waving their dicks at one another.



Men, insecure about the size of their penises, choose to kill one

another.



That's also what all that moron athlete bullshit is

all about, and what that macho, male posturing and strutting around in bars and locker rooms represents. It's called 'dick fear.' Men are terrified that their dicks are inadequate, and so they have to 'compete' in order to feel better about themselves.

And since war is the ultimate competition, essentially men are killing one another in order to improve their genital self-esteem.





You needn't be a historian or a political scientist to see the Bigger

Dick Foreign Policy Theory at work. It goes like this: 'What? They have bigger dicks? Bomb them!' And of course, the bombs, the

rockets, and the bullets are all shaped like penises. Phallic

weapons. There's an unconscious need to project the national penis into the affairs of others. It's called 'fucking with people'



Show us your Bush



So as far as I'm concerned, that whole thing in the

Persian Gulf was nothing more than one big dick-waving cockfight.



In this particular case, Saddam Hussein questioned the size of George Bush's dick. And George Bush had been called a wimp for so long, he apparently felt the need to act out his manhood fantasies by sending America's white children to kill other people's brown children.



Clearly the worst kind of wimp.



Even his name, 'Bush', as slang, is related to the

genitals without being the genitals.



A bush is sort of a passive, secondary sex characteristic. It's even used as a slang term for women: 'Hey, pal, how's the bush in this area?'



I can't help thinking, if this president's name had

been George Boner...well, he might have felt a little better about

himself, and he wouldn't have had to kill all those children. Too bad he couldn't locate his manhood.







Premature Extraction



Actually, when you think about it, this country has

had a manhood problem for some time. You can tell the language we use; language always gives us away. What did we do wrong in Vietnam? We 'pulled out'! Not a very manly thing to do. No. When

you're fucking people, you're supposed to stay with it and fuck them good; fuck them to death; hang in there and keep fucking them until they're all fucking dead.



But in Vietnam what happened was by accident we left a few women and children alive, and we haven't felt good about ourselves since.



That's why, in the Persian Gulf, George Bush had to

say, 'This will not be another Vietnam.' He actually said, 'this time

we're going all the way.'



Imagine. An American president using the sexual slang of a

thirteen-year-old to describe his foreign policy.



And, of course, when it got right down to it, he

didn't 'go all the way.' Faced with going into Baghdad he punked out.



No balls. Just Bush.



Instead, he applied sanctions, so he'd be sure that an extra half a

million brown children would die. And so his oil buddies could continue to fill their pockets.



If you want to know what happened in the Persian Gulf, just remember the first names of the two men

who ran that war: Dick Cheney and Colin Powell.





Dick and Colon.



Someone got fucked in the ass.



And those brown people better make sure they keep

their pants on, because Dick and Colin have come back for an encore.

[effyoo]

i saw a biography about George Carlin on the weekend. Buddy has been pushing the envelope and saying things people dont want to hear for 40 years always with a ring of truth to them. much respect.

[Poop Man Bob]

[img]http://www.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/goldmine/bible/Flying-Squid.jpg'>

[Esai]

Thank you guys for posting those pictures of arab victims, although it got me sick to my stomach I feel that that's the shit people should be seeing on TV. I mean we all know the media is now dictated what to put on by the govt and their the far right. I really hope this country is waking up to the bullshit. Even if saddam has weapons, dont we have enough to blow anything he fires into outer space, I mean that was the basis for a lot of the propaganda the prvious half dozen presidents used to keep funding the military. I just hope some of you are making an effort to somehow dissent from this bullshit and spread the word, I know I am(and even moreso after seeing thos pictures)

[Mr.LonelyHeart]

Originally posted by I Luv Roo

And the media is SO in on it - don't think they're not controlled by the republicans. This is how manipulative they are: They put a 9 year old boy on the 10 o'clock news, at a anti-war demonstration in SF, this 9 year old little shithead says, to the entire nation: "we should just kill all of them". Aaaww how cute! Kids are so smart these days!


Republican controlled media? yeah right. You think you're the only one coming to these conclusions based on what you see in the media? It's deliberate, and Democrats are smarter and more subtly manipulative than you think.

Just food for thought.

[!@#$%]

no one political party is more manipulative than any other..


at this point, neither republicans nor democrats seem to hold the popular opinion of the country, or control of the media

they are both serving their own interests, namely, in big business..drug companies, oil companies, etc..

right now, i don't think either party could give a fuck about this war..

each party wants control of congress..they are wrapped up in worrying about who is going to win the november elections, and the war bullshit is just part of that..

the war is propelled solely by george bush..he came up with this brilliant plan when he saw his popularity waning, elections on the horizon, and a failed 'war on terrorism'
his party doesn't want to contradict their leader by disagreeing, and the democrats don't want to negate his desires because they are worried about being reelected

its all just forms of the same evil..

no one has even mentioned the fact that afghanistan is still in shambles following our war on the taliban..
no one has noticed tjhat we could not even replace a government in a country that wanted out help, much less on elike iraq..whose people douibtfully want the u.s. to roll through and destroy their homeland to preotect our special interests..

the media, republicans, democrats, blame whoever the fuck you want...dubya is leading us into yet another foriegn policy debacle and no one with any power is doing anything to stop it..

if we go through wiht this bullshit war, i wonder how many militants, suicide bombers and anti-american militant groups will be spawned solely because of this next round of stupidity..

[Mr.LonelyHeart]

"if we go through wiht this bullshit war, i wonder how many militants, suicide bombers and anti-american militant groups will be spawned solely because of this next round of stupidity.."

Well I don't see what we could do to avoid all that aside from completely leaving the middle east and pulling all support for Israel. Let's not forget that it was towards the end of Clinton's eight year term that the 9-11 attacks were being planned. I've never supported Bush, but I also think it's stupid to blame this whole fucked up mess on him.

[!@#$%]

okay, that's true..i'm not rying to blame it all on him

just u.s. foreign policy..

once again people..

www.killinghope.com (http://www.killinghope.com)

a history of the u.s. military that they didn't teach you in school
open your eyes with this information

..including when the u.s. looked to saddam for help against iran and supplied him with the seeds of the weapons we are trying to rid him of today

and the creation of an anti-american osama bin laden..we trained that dude too

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by Mr.LonelyHeart
"if we go through wiht this bullshit war, i wonder how many militants, suicide bombers and anti-american militant groups will be spawned solely because of this next round of stupidity.."

Well I don't see what we could do to avoid all that aside from completely leaving the middle east and pulling all support for Israel. Let's not forget that it was towards the end of Clinton's eight year term that the 9-11 attacks were being planned. I've never supported Bush, but I also think it's stupid to blame this whole fucked up mess on him.

the point is, going to war in iraq and killing countless civilians will, in the end, do more harm to the current state of affairs in the world, than good.

[Mr.LonelyHeart]

True, but doing nothing isn't a solution either. So what can be done?...I certainly don't know.

[!@#$%]

i'm not an advocate of doing nothing..

maybe the government should concentrate on these two huge catastrophes, then tackle weapons inspection of iraq..

rebuilding afghanistan
israel/palestine

clinton sort of made a little headway in the israel/palestine thing, but bush is like a bull in a china shop where that is concerned..
after he broadly declared that arafat should be ousted, he backtracked after realizing he was doing mothing but making arafat a martyr..once the u.s. didn't like him, he became that much more powerful....if some agreements could be made there, and afghanistan could be helped, then maybe it would be easier to get some international momentum going to oust saddam (which we desperately need)

i don't think saddam should be allowed to just sit in office, but weapons inspection, diplomacy, and international support should at least be considered before a pre-emptive strike..

of all the bullshit swirling since the war on terror began, the only thing that has made alarm bells go off in my head is the pre-emptive strike policy..

once the u.s. goes there, who is to say any other country with self-preservation inmind cannot follow the same philosophy??

this is a pandora's box..

[!@#$%]

and just a thought..

what if we attack saddam without internaional support, and then he strikes out at israel (which he did in the gulf war)

only this time, israel doesn't sit back and allow itself to be bombed..they use u.s. supplied missiles to strike iraq.(which they have said is likely)...then palestine and israel get into it
if another war breaks out in that region, who is to say it won't get out of control and start to envelop that whole part of the world..if israel decides to strike back, iot is likely that the entire region would descend into conflict..
india and pakistan have nuclear arms now as well..they are obviously willing to use them..there is far too much instability there to start yet another war...
i've heard a few political analysts suggest that it could spiral out of control..

world war III, anyone?

[--zeSto--]

you've got an interesting point there !@#$%

I think that any conflict involving America has the potential to
become a 'World War'. This isn't like Britan and the Falklands.
This isn't even like The USA and Korea. This is striking a match while standing at the gas station.

I honestly dont think that Saddam would do anything unless attacked.
He's not going to just lop some rusty Scuds over at the States. He must
know that if he does that, his entire country will get wiped of the map.
However, if the USA moves into Iraq and into Bagdad, he'll feel that he
was left no alternative. He'll start destroying anything that will keep the
US forces busy (like setting oil well fires).

You dont push a man like that.

[Dirty_habiT]

http://sfgate.com/comics/fiore/

[socrates]

Not so funny boss

[Esai]

Thats a fucken funny comic, but sadly too on point. I swear this country is begging to be taken over, the populace is a bunch of fucken monkeys.

[Brownbread?]

Originally posted by !@#$%
i'm not an advocate of doing nothing..

maybe the government should concentrate on these two huge catastrophes, then tackle weapons inspection of iraq..

rebuilding afghanistan
israel/palestine

if some agreements could be made there, and afghanistan could be helped, then maybe it would be easier to get some international momentum going to oust saddam (which we desperately need)

i don't think saddam should be allowed to just sit in office, but weapons inspection, diplomacy, and international support should at least be considered before a pre-emptive strike..



great point

the US wouldn't have to be so worried about a strike from any middle eastern country if we'd just clean up all our current problems instead creating new ones. I think this is the only logical solution. Striking Saddam wont make us win any popularity contests or make it safer here in the states. Bush just keeps digging a deeper hole for himself. First nobody knows if we've won this "War on Terrorism" yet. And it seems terrorism only exists in Afganistan. Now we're going into this war where there's a big chance that like before Saddam wont be removed and we'll look stupid. Things are really gonna get fucked up if Bush goes through with this war. I just cant wait to see one of those " duck and cover" commercials.

[aichs47]

check that out!!i have no idea how to post pics on here so this will have to do:D

[aichs47]

sorry bout that
http://www.mearone.com/photos/bushWTC.jpg


:D

[effyoo]

here's proof ..... heil fuhrer!

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[mos_j1]

this thread is gay
who even gives a fuck

[KaBar]

And the photographs prove it. We are, however, under periodic attack from terrorist forces alleged to be in league with Saddam Hussein. He's no prince. If we smoke him, nobody will miss him.

What I really resent is that we had his sorry ass on the ropes LAST TIME, and George Bush 41 did not finish the job. And I said as much to everybody who would listen back then, to the point where my family and friends started avoiding me.

Wars suck, but they are going to happen. Saddam Hussein is just the latest asshole on the list. Next year, it will be somebody else. There is an endless list of creeps and thugs that need to be smoked. I figure the Marine Corps will be busy well into the 'Teens, killing off people who Give Us Shit.

I frequently read posts on 12 oz. that talk about the "gangsta" lifestyle and attitude. Basically, the world is about Force. And in the modern world, exercising force means murdering your enemies. Good, bad, or indifferent, we are king of the hill, and we have a lot of people who don't like us. Bottom line, they want us dead, except our armed forces can bring Hell On Earth to anybody who fucks with us, any time, any where.

Some people respect that, some people don't. Bottom line, the United States runs it. Don't believe? Just start some shit and find out.

[effyoo]

Originally posted by KaBar
Don't believe? Just start some shit and find out.


You mean, Please believe...

[BizOne]

You anti-war Berkeley-type fucks need to move your ass out of the US and into Yemen or something.

Let's see, we have a country led by a militant leader who has spent the last few decades learning about weapons of mass destruction, who also publically thanked god for the September 11th attacks. They are a country whose leaders and armies have persistently threatened and harmed countries that the US has policies to protect. A country who's government has close ties to groups involved with international terrorism. A country that is basically a threat to our national security. A country that is thought to secretly have weapons of mass destruction.

And you people don't want to do anything about it? You realize that if we don't take action that there is a greater chance that some of OUR kids will die? Yes.

So if you'd rather have American men, women and children die than some third world type dirty fucks who will probably die of malnutrition anyway, than you are seriously fucked in your head.

[Smart]

Originally posted by BizOne
Let's see, we have a country led by a militant leader who has spent the last few decades learning about weapons of mass destruction, who also publically thanked god for the September 11th attacks.

So... "We" have that?


They are a country whose leaders and armies have persistently threatened and harmed countries that the US has policies to protect. A country who's government has close ties to groups involved with international terrorism. A country that is basically a threat to our national security. A country that is thought to secretly have weapons of mass destruction.

I thought you said "We" HAD them?


And you people don't want to do anything about it? You realize that if we don't take action that there is a greater chance that some of OUR kids will die? Yes.

You don't have kids...

So if you'd rather have American men, women and children die than some third world type dirty fucks who will probably die of malnutrition anyway, than you are seriously fucked in your head.

And, finally, you resort to hyperbole... what a weak argument, you're STILL a kook

[Dick Quickwood]

Originally posted by BizOne
You anti-war Berkeley-type fucks need to move your ass out of the US and into Yemen or something.

Let's see, we have a country led by a militant leader who has spent the last few decades learning about weapons of mass destruction, who also publically thanked god for the September 11th attacks. They are a country whose leaders and armies have persistently threatened and harmed countries that the US has policies to protect. A country who's government has close ties to groups involved with international terrorism. A country that is basically a threat to our national security. A country that is thought to secretly have weapons of mass destruction.

And you people don't want to do anything about it? You realize that if we don't take action that there is a greater chance that some of OUR kids will die? Yes.

So if you'd rather have American men, women and children die than some third world type dirty fucks who will probably die of malnutrition anyway, than you are seriously fucked in your head.

i hope you starve to death
do you think if you were starving to death you would have the same opinion ?

[BizOne]

Nice way to avoid the points I made.

Either America attacks Iraqi forces or risks getting attacked by them. Being that I'm in America, along with all of my family and friends, I am totally against any attacks in the country I'm living in.

ARCEL, do you find it ironic that you are against a war in Iraq, yet you hope a fellow American starves to death?

SMART, you're STILL a dick. And a fucking toy.

[455]

George jr. gets all of his ideas from his dad.....fuckin' pansy.....