Sniper fuck leaves first major clue - a tarot card...

[Poop Man Bob]

http://www.9wusa.com/news/news_article.asp...p?storyid=10331 (http://www.9wusa.com/news/news_article.asp?storyid=10331)

First Major Clue in Sniper Attacks
by Mike Buchanan and 9 News


9 News has learned that police have their first major clue in the manhunt for the sniper who has killed six people and wounded two.

The killer left a calling card. It was found not far from where a 13-year-old boy was shot and critically wounded Monday morning at Benjamin Tasker Middle School in Bowie, Maryland.

In a nearby wooded area, detectives found the spot where the sniper apparently waited in ambush. The grass was matted down, a shell casing was found and, law enforcement sources say, investigators found a message from the gunman to the Police.

It was written on a Tarot Card, an ancient method of fortune telling. The cards are supposed to help people look into the future.

You might remember the cards were used in one of the old James Bond movies, 'Live and Let Die.'

There are 78 cards in a Tarot deck. Near the Middle School Monday, Prince George's County detectives found one card - the Death Card.

Law enforcement sources say there was a message scribbled on the card. It read; 'Dear Policeman, I am God.'

According to a history of Tarot cards, 'The Death Skeleton' comes to all: child, father, mother, king and priest.'

The Sniper has killed six people and wounded two.

The child, who was wounded Monday, is in critical, but stable condition.

Of the six who were killed, four were men and two were woman.

When contacted by 9-News, Prince George's County police issued a statement saying, "We're are not commenting on any potential evidence that may have been located."

Tuesday, police returned to at least one of the other crime scenes searching once again for any evidence left behind by the killer.

As the search continues for the gunman on the loose, one of the victims has gone home from the hospital.

Janice Moore, a spokeswoman for Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, says the woman shot in Fredericksburg was discharged Tuesday.

The 43-year-old Spotsylvania woman was shot in the back, Friday, in a parking lot at a Michaels craft store at the Spotsylvania Mall. Her identity has not been released.

Forensic evidence from that case has been linked to the other shootings last week in Maryland and DC.

Meanwhile, the reward for information leading to the arrest of a suspect continues to grow.

Montgomery County Executive Doug Duncan announced Tuesday afternoon that the total is now over $237,000. Duncan says he's hoping the money will get someone with crucial information to come forward. He calls it a "huge help" to have such a large reward.

[imported_El Mamerro]

I'm gonna get a lot of crap for this...

Death and killing is always a terrible tragedy, and there's nothing we want more than for all of it to stop. But even with that in light, this is exciting stuff. It's the stuff of paperback novels and crime movies, it's the stuff that's sold thousands of Jack the Ripper and Zodiac books. Now I don't know how smart this guy is, but nothing gets me excited like a killer who has his shit planned out right and has the cops always two steps behind. Now the best part is when they find that essential clue and the guy finally gets nabbed, but until then, I'm pretty riveted... Beer,

El Mamerro

[Dirty_habiT]

nah, I think you're right Mamerro... that's kinda how I am too.

[Castle Bravo]

The sniper(s) is fucked up for shooting that fucking middle school boy on his way to class. He could've at least got one in Times Square during a taping of Total Request Live; those are the kids that need to go.

[DEE38]

God bless those who died and hurt, but that is interesting indeed. I like how he said " I am God " and the fact the her wrote it on a tarot card also.

[socrates]

I think that this guy has at least a 170 IQ and probably some sort of special forces type training if not action. Also the whole thing about them being "random" shootings and them not being planned I think is wrong, as this continues I wouldn't be suprised if the person is caught that there wasn't a connection between all of the people shot, i.e. not just hair or skin color and sex. I also think that the person will stop and then restart in another part of the country.

[Castle Bravo]

^^^Interesting theory, Watson. :twists handlebar mustache:

[socrates]

I also believe that the wrong person will be caught first and taken care of Richard Jewel style.

[Esai]

A sniper is some fucken scary shit to have around your hood, I wouldnt leave the house fo sure.

[footsoldier]

this is a sad case..and like everyone else said, interesting...i dont think the guy is a genius..i dont think he has a 170 iq, or is special forces trained. with a good scope its not hard to pick someone off from 150 yards away with just a small amount of practice. the fact that every shot hes fired has not been a kill shot shows that he is probably not trained in this, if he was he wouldnt have missed. i think this is a normal dude who lives with his mom, works a menial job and has gotten good with a gun from hunting and target shooting. the fact that he stays in the same general area shows that he has something holding him in that area(job, family), or else he would have already moved. when a killer leaves a calling card it is his way of making himself famous. leaving that card will probably ultimatly be the fall of him, but without leaving it he wouldnt ensure that he's remembered. all the shit about him on the news will only encourage him to keep killing, which will also cause him to get more excited and in turn sloppier and he will eventually get caught.

just my 2 cents. take it for what its worth

[wiseguy]

im with el mammero, it is like a crime movie. super twisted.

[Pistol]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob

The 43-year-old Spotsylvania woman was shot in the back, Friday, in a parking lot at a Michaels craft store at the Spotsylvania Mall.

If it weren't true I would think this Spotsylvania thing was a joke.

[socrates]

Originally posted by footsoldier
this is a sad case..and like everyone else said, interesting...i dont think the guy is a genius..i dont think he has a 170 iq, or is special forces trained. with a good scope its not hard to pick someone off from 150 yards away with just a small amount of practice. the fact that every shot hes fired has not been a kill shot shows that he is probably not trained in this, if he was he wouldnt have missed. i think this is a normal dude who lives with his mom, works a menial job and has gotten good with a gun from hunting and target shooting. the fact that he stays in the same general area shows that he has something holding him in that area(job, family), or else he would have already moved. when a killer leaves a calling card it is his way of making himself famous. leaving that card will probably ultimatly be the fall of him, but without leaving it he wouldnt ensure that he's remembered. all the shit about him on the news will only encourage him to keep killing, which will also cause him to get more excited and in turn sloppier and he will eventually get caught.

just my 2 cents. take it for what its worth


The only problem with your theroy is the fact there aren't any concrete eyewitnesses yet....that's 8 people shot with no one seeing it happen, that takes enough skill to know how to blend VERY well.

[willy.wonka]

they suspect him to be a loser that never got any attention..they also suspect that there are two of them.

2cents like wala dang

[swif1]

Originally posted by El Mamerro


Death and killing is always a terrible tragedy, and there's nothing we want more than for all of it to stop. But even with that in light, this is exciting stuff. It's the stuff of paperback novels and crime movies, it's the stuff that's sold thousands of Jack the Ripper and Zodiac books. Now I don't know how smart this guy is, but nothing gets me excited like a killer who has his shit planned out right and has the cops always two steps behind. Now the best part is when they find that essential clue and the guy finally gets nabbed, but until then, I'm pretty riveted...

[effyoo]

Originally posted by INDIAN GIVER
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it's woman who deal with tarot cards. i've never met a dude that knew much about them..so yeah, i bet it's a woman. and that is my 2 cents

she is a psychic, that why she has tarot cards and also why she hasn't been caught

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by El Mamerro
I'm gonna get a lot of crap for this...

Death and killing is always a terrible tragedy, and there's nothing we want more than for all of it to stop. But even with that in light, this is exciting stuff. It's the stuff of paperback novels and crime movies, it's the stuff that's sold thousands of Jack the Ripper and Zodiac books. Now I don't know how smart this guy is, but nothing gets me excited like a killer who has his shit planned out right and has the cops always two steps behind. Now the best part is when they find that essential clue and the guy finally gets nabbed, but until then, I'm pretty riveted... Beer,

El Mamerro

I can see your point, Mams .. I'm sure we have all considered just how easy it would be to go on a shooting/killing/whatever spree and not get caught. And now here's this guy/gal actually doing it.

While those of us (myself included) that are interested in seeing just how far the guy is going to go (thereby allowing us to say to ourselves, "Wow, but I still could have done better"), this shit has crossed the line when he has no true motivation (or at least one we can all see/attempt to agree with).

For me, the romance of the whole lone sniper thing gets lost when he picks off 13-year olds on their way to school. Or a 43-year old mom loading her car in front of a craft store. While I'm still intrigued, I would be much more so if he was actually doing good, in a way ... i.e., Punisher or Boondock Saints-type shit. You know, taking out the evil in the world .. doing what the cops can't.

Where's the romance in shooting little kids?

[shameless self promotion]

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Ya i be shootin up da suburbs of dc, mon!




Its 10am here, i just woke up...

[swif1]

that's one too many "of's" you got there :p

[Brownbread?]

I think its just a fucked up guy thats watched too many serial killer movies, is tired with life, and wants to get killed by the police."Dear Police..I am God" does dude think he's the 44 Killer or something??? C'mon that just ruined it. You gotta be original and have a fresh gimmick when it comes to stuff like this. Like the school shooting phase a while back I wont be suprised if all of a sudden more random killings start popping up like this in months to come.
100

[imported_IzzeWST]

I want him dead.
Pussy tactics...

[YinzerXpress]

"dear policeman, I am God" damn how original

[AREANKAY]

its osama bin laden he has resorted to coming to america and lurking around and pickig off americans walking around

[!@#$%]

werd.. i enjoy reading/learning about serial killers as much as the next moron, but this guy has seriously made himself out to be the biggest pussy bitch ever

shooting a child from long range..

wow.

[yoink]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Where's the romance in shooting little kids?
i fell pretty much the same way, sure its intriguing big stories always are but, theres nothing ohh ahh about this (at least in my sentiment) sure it may be a thrilling chase but ill be happier when hes gettin butt knocked in prison every day or death. you know im sure the people that live up that way or the families that are involved in the tragedies could give two shits about the story..thats what we have movies and books for.

[Wilt]

this is some blockbuster thriller type shit...crazy

[DEE38]

Originally posted by INDIAN GIVER
i bet it's a woman... shooting up craft stores
"i am god"... you know how women are saying god could have been a woman. she must have some weird complex.
and in my experiance, it's woman who deal with tarot cards. i've never met a dude that knew much about them..so yeah, i bet it's a woman. and that is my 2 cents

My girlfriend rocks.

[Devilush]

its not romantic. snipers and fucking cannibals in movies are romantic.

"i am god": of course. he has the power to decide whether or not if the innocent lives. its random because if he chooses the people way ahead of time, that will only mean that he is choosing the future of that human being. now if its random, anyone can die at that moment in time. like the whole consensus of the human population.

[JesusMachine]

I think that gangs in Cali are romantic. Considering I saw my first "ese" this summer, I almost died laughing.

[!@#$%]

aaaaaah

for a second i thought she was a suspect

but they think she may have had something to do with a dude who was spotted behind a highschool with a black bag such as the one described by police as one the killer may have..

[imported_El Mamerro]

Killing innocent people is pussy shit no matter what the method, be it crazy ritualized face-to-face murder or long distance sniper shots in the back, be it japanese businessmen or 13 year-old boys. There are no "brave" killers. As I said, the killing has no romance, it's just tragic.

What I think is riveting is that the guy has developed an frighteningly easy method to off victims, is taunting law enforcement with clues, and has sparked off a search that is a billion times more interesting than the hundreds and thousands of drug and gang related murder investigations.

1-4 people get shot or killed every night in my hometown, so trust me, I know the feeling of danger when walking out at night, especially after a wanted rapist/murderer turned out to be a close childhood friend of mine. So anyways, I still think this stuff is interesting, and still would if it was happening here, sorry if I'm a sick fuck. Beer,

El Mamerro

[Dr. Dazzle]

This shit is exciting, there hasn't been a high profile serial killer in a while....

Bit of a crappy gimmick, though.....

[Smart]

Originally posted by !@#$%
aaaaaah

for a second i thought she was a suspect

but they think she may have had something to do with a dude who was spotted behind a highschool with a black bag such as the one described by police as one the killer may have..

No, she said she saw that guy, I believe... I think she reported the sighting, but judging by the sad clown look on her puss when they stuck her in the car, I'm beginning to think she may be busted for making a false report or something...

[baggy pants]

i wonder who's going to play the parts in the movie.

[AeRoSoL JuNkiE]

I agree with footsoldier on this one. I don't think this guy is that smart at all, I think he's just some nut trying to get attention by killing old people and school kids, then trying to be cool by leving a tarot card saying he's God. How lame is that?

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

Originally posted by socrates
I think that this guy has at least a 170 IQ and probably some sort of special forces type training if not action. Also the whole thing about them being "random" shootings and them not being planned I think is wrong, as this continues I wouldn't be suprised if the person is caught that there wasn't a connection between all of the people shot, i.e. not just hair or skin color and sex. I also think that the person will stop and then restart in another part of the country.


true but then again special ops are trained to leave no evidence that he was there i.e. the shell casing i mean you can get alot of shit from that one shell casing i mean its evident enough that he was there....the flattened grass in clear view of the school or where ever the kids was shot....and the tarrot card....unless the guy purposely left a shell casing of another rifle in order to decieve the police into looking for sumthin that was wrong the first place....but what ever the case maybe motherfucker is fucked up in da head anyone ever see "frailty" this shit kinda reminds me of that movie

[!@#$%]

high IQ?

i dunno

special forces, military training maybe

but this guy is no genius

[rip]

did they release what kind of bulet and/or posible rifle he is using? grain size an caliber if possible please:king:

[binaryheresy]

Originally posted by !@#$%
high IQ?

i dunno

special forces, military training maybe

but this guy is no genius

well, he hasn't been caught... nor is there any witness to the shootings... i think a guy with a high powered ultra-sophisticated assault rifle or something to the such would be pretty noticable, and he obviously isn't. Pussy bitch like Mamerro said, yes. but still.. quite a riveting story.

[Devilush]

sure killing the innocent is pussy shit, but thats what god does doesnt he? he doesnt kill people, but he decides whether or not their time is up. and that is exactly what this guy is doing. he is enjoying being god and enjoying making decisions for other people's lives.

he's definitly not a genius. in my opinion. through special training, you get that special eye for whatever he was trained for. you can always train someone to do this, whether or not this person is a genius.

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by rip
did they release what kind of bulet and/or posible rifle he is using? grain size an caliber if possible please:king:

The casings have been .223s.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Just because he's using rather cowardly tactics and we don't agree with murder doesn't mean the guy is dumb. He hasn't been caught, and that's enough for me to know that he has a good idea of what he's doing. A dumb person would've fucked things up on the first murder. Beer,

El Mamerro

[Kettiecat]

do they know its a he????


I mean if the person is saying they're god and all....that would rule out most of the males I know.







ehhehe just playing

game on.

[JIGSAW]

maybe he's destroying demons.....and god is protecting him from being caught yea....:o

[Tyler Durden]

i am god.

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

Originally posted by socrates



The only problem with your theroy is the fact there aren't any concrete eyewitnesses yet....that's 8 people shot with no one seeing it happen, that takes enough skill to know how to blend VERY well.


wait wait wait hold up let me put u up in a scenerio...you going your walkin out of a micheals craft shop finishin gettin sum paint and your mindin your own business and bam all of a sudden you hear a big ass noise a women falls to the ground and it turned out to be a gun shot...you only get 1 second to see where the shot came from thats it and people arent that aware of there surroundings...i mean come one people arent lookin around for gun shots..i mean shit i really wouldnt think much of the gun shot as long as i aint hurt or neither is anyone around me....you think it could of been anything.....people just dont know

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

Originally posted by JIGSAW
maybe he's destroying demons.....and god is protecting him from being caught yea....:o


haha..thats what im sayin...frailty lik a mother fucker!

[imported_suburbian bum]

.223 and an ar-15 is i am not mistaken.

[phism]

i think rip's trying to copycat..

am i the only one that finds this kind of amusing? maybe i'm just that misanthropic..

it just pisses me off he doesn't have better targets. like cops or kids in white hats.

[Poop Man Bob]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/09/sni...file/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/09/sniper.profile/index.html)

Hunting the hunter: Profiling the sniper


(CNN) -- As the hunt for the sniper who has terrorized residents in the Washington, D.C., area enters a second week, the role of the profiler in helping investigators put a face on the killer has received more attention.

Media headlines blare that the profilers are baffled by the failure of the killer to conform to known patterns. But this assertion comes from a misunderstanding of the role, function and method of the profiler, said Clint Van Zandt, a former FBI profiler.

Portrayed in television and movies as the mystics of law enforcement, people with an almost psyche link to the mind of the killer, profilers are in fact engaged in what Van Zandt calls "a broad brush art."

"A profile is an investigative tool. It is not science, it is not DNA, it is not latent fingerprints. ... It is just one more tool investigators have. But a profile does not tell you who did the crime," Van Zandt said.

Profilers are engaged is building a "constantly evolving" document that is available to investigators to focus their search, Van Zandt said.

Van Zandt disputed the popular notion that research into previous multiple killings has provided clearly defined "profiles" of killers that can be used to fit each case that comes along.

"There is a skeletal structure, so to speak, of certain individuals, but the clothes that we hang on that skeleton come from investigation. And that's what starts to form the picture, the profile of who we're looking for," Van Zandt said.

And sometimes a killer may not fall within even very general categories, which seems to be the case so far with the killings in Maryland, Virginia and Washington.

"So far it appears we have kind of a hybrid. We have what we call a spree killer, in essence someone who kills one person after another without an emotional cooling off period in between," Van Zandt said.

"And yet, because of the period of time that has lapsed, now it is starting to take on some of the traits of a serial killer, in essence, someone who kills with that emotional cooling off period, which can be days, weeks, even months, depending on the serial killer himself or herself."

What profilers may well be able to offer investigators, depending on the evidence authorities have discovered at each crime scene, is a series of statistical probabilities -- the shooter's age, his race, his academic or professional background, perhaps even his motive, Van Zandt said.

This enables those in charge of the investigation to "take the population group and shrink it until it becomes manageable" he says.

"Hypothetically, we know, it's a statistical probability that a sniper in a situation like this is likely to be a male as opposed to a female. Well, then, we have eliminated 50 percent of the population. Now does that rule out a woman from doing this? No, but we'll say it is a very small chance.

"But if a witness says, 'I saw a car with smoke coming out of the window after a shot was fired and I saw a red-headed woman in the passenger seat,' profile be damned, you have to go with the evidence that you have," Van Zandt said.

So what are the types of questions profilers will be asking?

"You start out with very generic profiles, like, Is the offender organized or disorganized? An organized person has transportation, brings the weapon with him, has the ability to get in and out from a crime scene without being detected," Van Zandt said.

"Or, a disorganized person may walk or take public transportation. He may use a weapon of opportunity. You may see overkill on the part of the victim. He may just escape because he's lucky, not because he's calculating."

"So you start with an organized-disorganized offender. Then you say: A serial killer is this, a spree killer is that.

"But, again, these are broad general titles that you kind of paste up on a wall, and then you start to work with the intelligence you have, the information that comes through investigation, and you refine that."

[swif1]

Originally posted by WhAt_dA_fUcK



wait wait wait hold up let me put u up in a scenerio...you going your walkin out of a micheals craft shop finishin gettin sum paint and your mindin your own business and bam all of a sudden you hear a big ass noise a women falls to the ground and it turned out to be a gun shot...you only get 1 second to see where the shot came from thats it and people arent that aware of there surroundings...i mean come one people arent lookin around for gun shots..i mean shit i really wouldnt think much of the gun shot as long as i aint hurt or neither is anyone around me....you think it could of been anything.....people just dont know

if that happened, i would have walked back in the store and racked more.

[socrates]

Originally posted by WhAt_dA_fUcK



true but then again special ops are trained to leave no evidence that he was there i.e. the shell casing i mean you can get alot of shit from that one shell casing i mean its evident enough that he was there....the flattened grass in clear view of the school or where ever the kids was shot....and the tarrot card....unless the guy purposely left a shell casing of another rifle in order to decieve the police into looking for sumthin that was wrong the first place....but what ever the case maybe motherfucker is fucked up in da head anyone ever see "frailty" this shit kinda reminds me of that movie

1. No prints on the crad
2. I garuntee that the card will be to widely produced to be tracked down
3. The shell casing may help a little bit but the gun will not be registered, no prints and will only make officers go look for people with this a registered ar-15 in a 7 state radius

[Cracked Ass]

I'm with Con, you people talking romance and thrills play too many violent video games or something. If one of the victims was your brother or mom or best friend you'd be talking a different tune about how romantic it is that people are getting offed for no good reason.
But yeah I read the serial killer books in bookstores too so I can see some of where Mamerro is coming from.

[Smart]

it's not like this guy is gonna be shooting people for years and leaving theses cards around, for starters, you'd have to buy alot of tarot decks... and everyone wants to pick on this guy because of the victims he chooses but the fact is, he's just hunting baited fields, and THAT is what makes him so weak... so he spends some time getting into position by a gas station or mall, then he can wait and watch the various customers come and go until he chooses, the same is true for the school, and the guy on the lawnmower HAD to be a target of opportunity...

[imported_El Mamerro]

Originally posted by Smart
it's not like this guy is gonna be shooting people for years and leaving theses cards around, for starters, you'd have to buy alot of tarot decks...

HAHAHAHAHA, that made me laugh good.

[krie]

i like the way hes used the tarot card, its mysterious and i know its got me thinkin, why a tarot card ? is he into this side of fortune telling ? or is it simply bcause he wants to make people think lots of things like i am right now ? im in australia and havent herd anything bout these shootings, yet from wut ive read on here hes been clever. sure, shooting innocent people aint right, but hes clever from wut i think.

it would be interesting to see wuts the next card he leaves behind if he does ? weve had the death card, is there gonna be any other cards, about life that he leaves behind ?

[revek]

im glad you guys are laughing and cracking jokes about this you fucking degenerates. there's nothing funny about someone killing innocent people, let alone sniping them from a distance. maybe you guys who live halfway across the country can sit back and think its interesting, make a joke or whatever, but if this were a little closer to home you wouldnt see much humor in it.

kever
north va.

[amItoolate?]

^^^i like how you added where your from at the end of your post as if to make sure everyone here knows your in the red zone:rolleyes:

i think mr. mang is the sniper, hes mad cause he cant move to philly.

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by Devilush
sure killing the innocent is pussy shit, but thats what god does doesnt he? he doesnt kill people, but he decides whether or not their time is up. and that is exactly what this guy is doing. he is enjoying being god and enjoying making decisions for other people's lives.

he's definitly not a genius. in my opinion. through special training, you get that special eye for whatever he was trained for. you can always train someone to do this, whether or not this person is a genius.


not if you don't believe in God


..and as far as all that intelligence shit, sure, the guy has been CLEVER enough to elude the police (c'mon now, how much credit should we give these masterminds)..it does not make him smart

ingenious, maybe


genius, no fuckin way


after all, look how well dahmer eluded the cops..and that had nothing to do with his intelligence, it was their incompetence

a criminal mastermind is someone who steals shit from museums and pulls off high-profile kidnappings without hurting the victim, or the bank robber who escaped from Alcatraz..

not some vicious ex-paramilitary psycho with a penchant for people at gas stations.

[type R]

Originally posted by El Mamerro
I'm gonna get a lot of crap for this...

Death and killing is always a terrible tragedy, and there's nothing we want more than for all of it to stop. But even with that in light, this is exciting stuff. It's the stuff of paperback novels and crime movies, it's the stuff that's sold thousands of Jack the Ripper and Zodiac books. Now I don't know how smart this guy is, but nothing gets me excited like a killer who has his shit planned out right and has the cops always two steps behind. Now the best part is when they find that essential clue and the guy finally gets nabbed, but until then, I'm pretty riveted... Beer,

El Mamerro

its a little different when its happening right down the street from you, not just on t.v.

[imported_El Mamerro]

^ Read my second post, bro.

And anyways, I say again, you people don't think this guy is smart because he's not being righteous, and because he's not pulling out some super over-elaborate plan to carry out what he's set to do. He's straight business, and he's doing it nicely. That's fucking scary. Beer,

El Mamerro

[!@#$%]

how many killers have been shown to have above average intelligence??

just because he is all business and very focused on his mission (uhh, killing the innocent and defenseless) that mkes him smart?

puh-leeeeeez

that is a morons view of intelligence.

i know plenty of unfocused, scatterbrained intelligent people

and plenty of driven, focused morons

look at out president..
determined enough to win the presidency

it didn't make him smart

[revek]

Originally posted by amItoolate?
^^^i like how you added where your from at the end of your post as if to make sure everyone here knows your in the red zone:rolleyes:

i think mr. mang is the sniper, hes mad cause he cant move to philly.

what the fucks your point?

[revek]

its too early to say whether hes smart, or a genious, or whatever...at least i think so. if he continues to stay stealth in communities that are on the lookout for him for a long period of time, it'll be real scary. hes smart enough to puzzle crime profilers, and hes definitely very skilled at what hes doing.

[!@#$%]

i would venture a guess that he is more of a well read person than an intelligent one..

he is defying crime profilers because he is busting old paradigms about serial killers..

he doesn't take anything from the victims or the scene
he knows nothing about the victims
the victims are of all ages, races, ethnic backgrounds, cultures, classes
he is not commiting any other acts of violence during the crimes
he has not stated a purpose or objective

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by !@#$%
i would venture a guess that he is more of a well read person than an intelligent one..

he is defying crime profilers because he is busting old paradigms about serial killers..

he doesn't take anything from the victims or the scene
he knows nothing about the victims
the victims are of all ages, races, ethnic backgrounds, cultures, classes
he is not commiting any other acts of violence during the crimes
he has not stated a purpose or objective

I don't think doing what you've mentioned requires that one be well-read, whether in serial killer books or not.

All this dude's done is taken randomness and multiplied it to the largest extent possible.

Random victims. (Both in that he doesn't know them and that they are all different from one another)
Random places.
Random clue(s).

It's this randomness that creates the most amount of fear in people, simply because they are unable to exclude themselves from the possible list of targets. At this point, if you're alive and leave your house, you're a possible target.

Anyway, my original point was that dude doesn't have to be well-read in order to pick people at random. It's not that hard. He very well might be well-read, but it's not necessary attribute for him to do what he has done. I think common sense and calm wits will get him a lot further. Common sense, i.e., don't leave shit behind, don't be seen, be calm, etc. Most people try to do this (use common sense) when committing a crime, but dude here has actually done it.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Even the most focused and determined moron screws up very early on his journey. Bush may be a moron, but he is a moron with money and power. Very different thing... he's screwed up plenty of times, but he can get away with it.

Cowardly tactics and lack of compassion for the innocent and defenseless does not equate being dumb. It equates being WRONG, but not necessarily dumb.

Now I don't think the guy is super intelligent, but he does seem to know what he is doing. And in a high profile case such as this one, they bring in the big guns to investigate, and it's not easy to get away without leaving evidence behind. The amount of shit they can get from that tarot card alone is unbelievable, if they haven't already, it's because the guy knew what they'd be looking for. We don't know much about the details of the investigation, so I don't know how far they've gone.

I'm willing to say that the guy is calm, focused, smart nutjob, and that's that. Beer,

El Mamerro

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by El Mamerro

The amount of shit they can get from that tarot card alone is unbelievable, if they haven't already, it's because the guy knew what they'd be looking for.


all the things i listed were ways in which he has defied profiling by not fitting any of the previously held models..

my point about being well-read, you made for me...he knows enough about crime-scenes and investigation to know what they would be looking for...

whatever..
if people want to think he's smart because he has terrified people with the systematic execution of random people, so be it

[!@#$%]

...and now that oyu mentioned it, how do we know this guy isn't another moron with a lot of money and possibly power..

what if its a cop?
or some rich fuck who read "the most dangerous game" on etoo many times..

eeehhhh

its all speculation anyway

[Smart]

you kids might be hard of thinking, so I'll repeat myself and you guys read it SLOWLY.

The sniper isn't picking victims, he's picking locations, he's finding good cover and escape routes from specific LOCATIONS. He's picked places like malls, gas stations and schools simply because they have a high human traffic factor, not because he expects some 'victim profile' to show up, the victims are secondary to the success of the mission.

This shows some ability to 'think outside the box' as far as serial/spree killers are typically profiled but it doesn't make him an evil genius.

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by Smart
you kids might be hard of thinking, so I'll repeat myself and you guys read it SLOWLY.

The sniper isn't picking victims, he's picking locations, he's finding good cover and escape routes from specific LOCATIONS. He's picked places like malls, gas stations and schools simply because they have a high human traffic factor, not because he expects some 'victim profile' to show up, the victims are secondary to the success of the mission.

This shows some ability to 'think outside the box' as far as serial/spree killers are typically profiled but it doesn't make him an evil genius.

Exactly. Just being random. Not being smart.

[amItoolate?]

i dont think weve had a real serial killer since ol jeffrey, if this shit doesnt stop soon, its gonna be exploited like a mo-fo, goth kids rockin tarrot cards and shit, im not event tryin to see all that.

[revek]

Originally posted by Smart
you kids might be hard of thinking, so I'll repeat myself and you guys read it SLOWLY.

The sniper isn't picking victims, he's picking locations, he's finding good cover and escape routes from specific LOCATIONS. He's picked places like malls, gas stations and schools simply because they have a high human traffic factor, not because he expects some 'victim profile' to show up, the victims are secondary to the success of the mission.


the shooting last night in manassas was right off a VERY busy road... it was around 815, there would be so much going on then that no ones going to make any sense of what happened. the fact that a white van was seen on that road at that time means shit also.

[nomadawhat]

so with the number of deaths and the number on inhabitants in that county, the chance of getting shot next is somewhere around 1 out of 150,000. better than any lotto.....

[graffsurgeon]

Originally posted by INDIAN GIVER
i bet it's a woman... shooting up craft stores
"i am god"... you know how women are saying god could have been a woman. she must have some weird complex.
and in my experiance, it's woman who deal with tarot cards. i've never met a dude that knew much about them..so yeah, i bet it's a woman. and that is my 2 cents

they are saying the sniper pushes the ill white dodge caravan aswell, and we all know no bad ass murderers are rolling such a gay whip. i'd snipe the motherfucker with my kershaw straight up in his temple.

[InDY_500]

all i gotta say is that the guy who behind all this shtz betta not get caught cause if he does then that mutha fucka is automatically gettin the fuckin ELECTRIC chair,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Smart]

bumpkin

[angry xbox]

this guy will probably go down in history as one of the smartest serial killers out there. i hope he hits at least en for they catch him. Oh and him running around with another fool and shooting out the side of the van isnt confirmed. thats what those fucking pigs think and they are wrong. he is firing at people from almost 500 yards away and only a 454 caliber or higher can pop off such a round and a gun that powerful has quite the lenghty barrel that would not be well fitting out the side of a fucking van window. So yeah. they say itsa 762 caliber. this person is no doubt ex-military special ops, id put money down on it. and yeah i hope he gets away with it all and yeah if it was my pops or me i still wouldnt feel much empathy towards society regardibg the issue. this country deserves its fuckinbg crime 100%.

[Smart]

no, they say it is a .223 caliber.

[NoEZ]

Originally posted by El Mamerro
I'm gonna get a lot of crap for this...

Death and killing is always a terrible tragedy, and there's nothing we want more than for all of it to stop. But even with that in light, this is exciting stuff. It's the stuff of paperback novels and crime movies, it's the stuff that's sold thousands of Jack the Ripper and Zodiac books. Now I don't know how smart this guy is, but nothing gets me excited like a killer who has his shit planned out right and has the cops always two steps behind. Now the best part is when they find that essential clue and the guy finally gets nabbed, but until then, I'm pretty riveted... Beer,

El Mamerro

exactly how i think...

[angry xbox]

eat a dick asshole, 762 and 223 are the same caliber accept one is longer and has a larger shell casing, in any case its the same shell casing from what an M4 carbine would use which is from either a fully automatic assault or a high powered rifle and a .223(whoch is waht you shoot at camp) would never make it 500 yards to kill a man.

[uncle-boy]

:( .......duh?

[Smart]

well listen Dick Asshole, the longest range this uy has shot from is estimated to be 150yds, furthermore the cops went through a big show and tell with an AR-15 (.223), NOT an AK-47 (.762)...

xbox, it's past your bedtime, when you wake up you can check your facts

[angry xbox]

i dont need to check my facts i am right you are obviously not paying much attention. If he was shooting from 150 yards they woulda caught this tough guy by now but ummmm they havent so go read some mre of that so called liveral media garbage from MSNBC you shitwad.

[Smart]

Originally posted by angry xbox
If he was shooting from 150 yards they woulda caught this tough guy by now

right, except you're wrong and he's not caught...

that so called liveral media garbage from MSNBC you shitwad.

liveral? seriously if you keep calling me 'shitwad' and such I'm gonna force you to play elsewhere, cool your jets there tiger.

[angry xbox]

you started with the derrogatory comments wiseass, so dont come crying to me about it and go exerting your un-immense powers asa message board moderator. I could care less about your idle threat and if that is how you choose to make a retort to my insolence then let it be a lesson to all here, that SMART is not as smart as he would lead you lemmings to believe. Oh yeah and umm i have many a workstation from which to go forth using and blah blah blahb lahb albh albh albh

[Smart]

I said to you:

Originally posted by Smart
no, they say it is a .223 caliber.

You said to me:

Originally posted by angry xbox
eat a dick asshole

you know what, go get another workstation genius, we can play that game all night...

[angry xbox]

ahahhah for once i will admit to being wrong...

ahahhahaha

its just because i dont like your attitude.

but dont think that im going soft here pal...

l0rd Ka0s

[Poop Man Bob]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...r_shootings_131 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021013/ap_on_re_us/sniper_shootings_131)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20021012/capt.1034463743.sniper_shootings_mddw101.jpg
A detail composite of a box truck that police are searching for in the Washington D.C. region is shown after being released by Montgomery County Police in Rockville, Md., Saturday, Oct. 12, 2002. The truck is believed to be linked to the sniper shootings in the Washington D.C. region.



Cops Release Sniper Wanted Poster

Sat Oct 12, 9:12 PM ET
By DEBORAH HASTINGS, AP National Writer

Investigators hunting a sniper responsible for 10 attacks released their first wanted poster — composite images of a white box truck — after authorities confirmed Saturday that an eighth death was linked to the killer.

The images are the first of any kind to be released in association with a killer who has been stalking suburban Washington areas and targeting victims apparently at random. More than a week after the shootings began, a massive task force of county, state and federal officers still won't say if they know who they're looking for, or even if the sniper is acting alone.

"We're putting information out, asking people to have their memories jogged," said police Chief Charles Moose of Montgomery County, where five people were killed.

The two images, produced by the FBI (news - web sites) based on witnesses from more than one shooting, show a flat-front white truck with a roll-up door in the back, a weathered paint job, a small dent in the back bumper and unknown dark purple or black writing on the side.

The witnesses were unable to provide the exact wording on the truck or the license plate number. They did tell investigators it appeared to be an older model with a loud motor.

Moose said investigators are also working with witnesses to produce a similar composite sketch of a white Astro van with a ladder on the top that was reported seen leaving the scene of Friday's deadly shooting at a gas station near Fredericksburg, Va.

Asked if the separate sketches meant the sniper may be using more than one vehicle, he said it "is not our goal to make any suggestions at all. We're working with witnesses."

The images were released as the reward for information in the case reached $500,000.

[imported_dirtysicks]

^^^^^^^^Idiot.

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by dirtysicks
^^^^^^^^Idiot.

Eh?

[the shitz]

Originally posted by angry xbox
lemmings


now that is a good game. better than halo and those things can now shoot haddoukens

anyways this guy is crazy hes no genious also buy a gun and shoot people from far away like a pussy
i myself would rather go face to face wit the victems and use a long sword

then again thats just me. think he wears a hairnet? cuz one piece of loose hair is all it takes to catch this dude/chic

[the shitz]

xbox u irk me.....









im now imaginen xbox running to the dictionary flipping of pages is heard.

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by the A squad



now that is a good game. better than halo and those things can now shoot haddoukens

anyways this guy is crazy hes no genious also buy a gun and shoot people from far away like a pussy
i myself would rather go face to face wit the victems and use a long sword

then again thats just me. think he wears a hairnet? cuz one piece of loose hair is all it takes to catch this dude/chic


yes lemming is very dope and umm i m sure homeboy prolly wears a truckers mesh back hat please believe

oh yeah nad i irk everyone dont feel special. I have a talent in disagreeing with anything and anyone, even myself.

[alleniverson]

i also like this sniper guy.

its dope as fuck that someone can go on a killing spree and not get caught. fuck society. i hope hes never caught.

its time society took notice of all the angry outcasts out there.

apparently oklahoma wasnt enough, columbine wasnt enough, fuck even 9-11 wasnt enough, the ball is in your court now, mr. sniper..keep up the good work and fighting the cause.

if people wouldnt be so judgemental and superficial and just generally fucked up, people like this would be a cop or a sniper in the military or some shit. but fuck that. society wants to fuck with people, hes just gonna fuck with them back. hell yeah.


keep up the good work.

[the shitz]

well hes kinda killing inocent people that havent done anything bad to him maybe if he tried to kill bush or somthing

i mean everbodys thought abotu "what if they justt killed people" and devise wayss not to get caught and now since this sniper is doing it

it doesnt seem to be all that hard

also all that karma is gonna catch up to him and he will get caught then to some people police brutallity wont seem so bad

[DealinWithIt]

I live in the D.C area and things have been pretty crazy. I dont know how many of you live around here but its kind of hectic. The cops have been stopping every white box truck or white van they see. But people are actually scared and I have to admit I have found my self checking out and bracing myself when I white van strolls by but then I read something my friend wrote and it all put it in perspective.

My friends and I talk about "giving the gift". "this gift can range from painting graffiti in the wide open when cars drive by and "giving the gift" to them of letting them see the act of graffiti."
But this sniper has given people... "the gift of fear... when is the last time you've been really afraid or scared for your life? chances are never. we all chase it though, that's why we put ourselves in simulated fear environmnets such as horror movies, roller coasters, etc but no matter what we're never really scared because we know in the back of our minds were safe inside the theater, and we won't fall out of the roller coaster under the safety harnass."
"well people, please wake up to the fact that we've all been "given the gift". this is the season of the dead(Halloween). this is what we all chase and now it's come true so please try to make the best of this and enjoy it."

Not to make light of the severity of the whole situation but he has a point.


"

[imported_OPIUM3]

Originally posted by Con
You fucking kids and your godamn Grand Theft Auto 3.

[img]http://www.conopium.com/misc/gta.jpg'>

[fr8oholic]

you angst driven youngsters and your fucked up immortal image... ugghhhhh, i hate all of you wishing this guy got away.

[S@T@N]

SMART should just do all of 12oz a favor and kick xbox now
before he pisses everyone off, not just a crew member.



OH WAIT that already happened.

[angry xbox]

i think there is a lot of shit americans get wrong and one of them is thier freedom to feel safe in your country but its a fucking lie. This situation is no different then what somolians and afagahnis feel when they wake up to another militant day of suffering. WE deserve this in all its angst and fear. In facct i deserve it because i want it, i want to feel fear becazuse if i dont feel fear then i am nothing before an existence. Fuck this country and its feeling of safety because it stole everyone elses to feel like freedom is real when its a hoax in this nation.

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by S@T@N
SMART should just do all of 12oz a favor and kick xbox now
before he pisses everyone off, not just a crew member.



OH WAIT that already happened.

you and all the other insolet posters on here can continue in this charade of putting others down to feel inferior but you r genereal mentality is what drives serial killers and rapists. If this cycle of violence doesnt stop it will only escelate. I cheered on the kids of columbine because i felt that pain, but the wporst thing one can do is let society feel pain for it. The real payoff is when it all comes crashing and you are there to watch it all happen, like now. More serial killers and "terrorists" are driven by social constraints and feelings of alienation than sentiments against the governament or the "system". Its been proven, real feeligns of a need for change make real action, thats real anger and a real mind, but we all loathe revolutionaries in america because the so called liberal media considers them to be dirty and potsmokers, all thanks to the 60's peace movement.

bye

[fr8oholic]

there's too many arguments to even persue here... not to stray off topic any more but why not move to afghanistan or iraq then xbox?

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by fr8oholic
there's too many arguments to even persue here... not to stray off topic any more but why not move to afghanistan or iraq then xbox?

cmon really, you know the answer to that one

[JIGSAW]

Get off his dick you nerds, its not societys fault you little chumps got picked on at school by the black kids and became "OUTCASTS" :eek:

[imported_El Mamerro]

Blinkbox, you never cease to amaze me...

What the hell do they put in the food in Austin?

[socrates]

They actually haven't proved that the tarrot card has anything to do with the shootings and also wer'nt the last 2 shootings by shotgun...maybe I heard wrong

[Poop Man Bob]

Piece of Legal Paper Found at Last Scene Had Scribbled Driving Directions from Northern Maryland to Washington Beltway...

http://library.northernlight.com/FB2002101...x=1006&sc=0#doc (http://library.northernlight.com/FB20021013830000014.html?cb=0&dx=1006&sc=0#doc)

[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20021013/i/1034549515.3825426507.jpg'>

NEW YORK, Oct 13, 2002 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- As the manhunt for the Washington D.C. sniper continues and the list of theories grows, Newsweek has learned that the FBI asked the Defense Department to search their records from the sniper school at Ft. Bragg, N.C., for rejected applicants or former students with psychological problems.

(Photo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20021013/NYSU005 )

In the October 21 cover story, "The Tarot Card Killer," (on newsstands Monday, October 14), Senior Editor Mark Miller and Correspondent Suzanne Smalley go inside the "SNIPMUR" Task Force investigation and report that Friday morning, nearly 300 cops, FBI agents, prosecutors and forensics experts assembled in a makeshift conference room at the University of Maryland in hopes that together, they might somehow figure out a way to capture a killer. In the room, perched on folding chairs and tossing back doughnuts and soda, investigators looked for hidden patterns in maps of the crime scenes and listened to forensic scientists talk about the killer's "geographic profile." Police sharpshooters were briefed on how the sniper chooses his angles and targets. As the meeting wore on, a delivery truck arrived with 70 pizzas.

Newsweek also reports that authorities found a piece of yellow legal paper at the latest shooting site, which they bagged as evidence. Newsweek has learned that it contains scribbled driving directions from northern Maryland down toward the Washingon Beltway.

In addition, police have borrowed the FBI's sophisticated Rapid Start software, which sifts through the thousands of calls people have made to the special tip line, looking for connections. So far, the police say they've gleaned thousands of useful leads. "We're also getting a lot of pissed-off ex-wives calling in about their hunter ex-husbands," says a detective working the investigation.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
As the meeting wore on, a delivery truck arrived with 70 pizzas.



[img]http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb/icons/icon26.gif'>

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by socrates
They actually haven't proved that the tarrot card has anything to do with the shootings and also wer'nt the last 2 shootings by shotgun...maybe I heard wrong

this is just a ploy to throw law enforcement off

[ctrl+alt+del]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob

In the room, perched on folding chairs and tossing back doughnuts and soda,

[Tyler Durden]

STRUCK AGAIN. muahahahahahahaahahahaha.

i swear.....wow. hahahaha. wow.

[socrates]

:king: :king: :king:

[yoink]

Originally posted by alleniverson
i also like this sniper guy....
ahh...youd be singing a much much different song were it your dumbass in the crosshairs...

[imported_OPIUM3]

Originally posted by yoink

ahh...youd be singing a much much different song were it your dumbass in the crosshairs...

to be quite honest, I don't think you could sing a song period if your mouth is disconnected from your face due to the awesome power of the big bore rifle. By the time you got around to figuring out a tune to change to, it would probably be too late.

[Poop Man Bob]

[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20021015/i/1034654844.2684747892.jpg'>

I'm not going to copy and paste the full text of the article. Just go here: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ing_3&printer=1 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=524&u=/ap/20021015/ap_wo_en_po/us_sniper_shooting_3&printer=1)

[Poop Man Bob]

From the above article:

"Authorities in Baltimore, meanwhile, seized a white van and found an assault rifle, sniper manual and ammunition similar to the .223 bullets used in attacks that have killed eight people and wounded two others, WBAL-TV reported.

MSNBC reported that a tarot card was found in the van and a sign on the dashboard read "Gihad in America." A tarot card was also found at one of the shootings.

The van's owner was being questioned by police Monday night.

"At this time, the task force believes this is not related to our sniper incidents," said Louise Marthens, a Montgomery County police spokeswoman. "


What the fuck? Am I missing something here? That seems to be closely fucking related ..

[WALE!pd]

im all about serial killers and how these guys think there are so many kinds... those mind fuck serial killers that just toy wit the police like david burkowitz and theres the all out ones like ted bundy they are smart but they usually dont plan the shit through and then theres the sick and fuckin twisted ones like john wayne gayce who was the scariest fuck in the history of man. a fat ass birthday party clown turns out to be a serial killer who woulda thought? this guys kill count is already in the double digets if im not mistaken which means hes killed that many people and got away with it... if he stopped now he would NEVER get caught unless he talked about it but knowing this guy he wouldnt. and all you fucks saying hes dumb are wrong because hes not some fuckin retard with a gun wether hes shooting from 150 or 500 yards doesnt matter because either way hes killing people and getting away with it.. and to that other fuck who said shit about being "outcasts" because the black people picked on them can kiss my sweaty balls you dont know shit. just because people are black doesnt mean their tough same goes with any race skin color doesnt mean you can kick my ass so fuck you. this dude wont get caught and if he does your all gonna be fuckin surprised when they reveal his identity

[-Rage-]

[img]http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a172/a172_b_42.jpg'>

[yoink]

why does it seem like a great majority here fantasize he wont be caught? i mean it is a possibility but in the score sheet for serial killer havent 90 percent of known killers been ultimately caught? i agree with mams when he said it was riveting and basically can be nerve wracking even if your 10, 20, states away but to glorify this dick munch is wrong.

side not where the hell did you stumble upon all thes zany shirts???/

[-Rage-]

Originally posted by yoink
side not where the hell did you stumble upon all thes zany shirts???/


tshirthell.com

[KaBar]

There seems to be some confusion about calibers and cartridges^^^. It is true that certain kinds of rifles tend to be manufactured in particulat calibers. The .223 cartridge was originally a bolt-action rifle cartridge used for shooting prairie dogs and other small varmints (it's called a "varmint cartridge"--high-velocity, flat trajectory) at long ranges. But hitting a prairie dog at 600 yards is different from shooting at humans from a similar range, and the .223 is not a cartridge most law enforcement or military snipers would willingly choose.

The military version of the .223 is called the 5.56mm (that's ".223" in metric system) and it was chosen for the M-16 because of it's LIGHT WEIGHT. A soldier can carry a lot more 5.56mm cartridges for the same combat load weight than he can carry 7.62mm NATO cartridges. A combat load of 5.56mm is the same weight as a combat load of 7.62mm NATO, but you get more rounds for the weight, because the 5.56mm cartridges are much smaller.

Different rifles are generally found chambered for particular cartridgers (i.e. AR-15/ 5.56mm, M-1 Garand/ .30-'06, MAK-90/ 7.62x39mm, etc.) but not always. The civilian copy of the AK-74 rifle shown on the news last night was originally designed to shoot the Soviet 5.45x39mm Com Bloc cartridge, but imports to the U.S. are often chambered for the .223/ 5.56mm because it is a much more popular cartridge here than is 5.45x39mm Com Bloc.

Just because the bullet DIAMETER of the bullet of two cartridges is the same does not mean that the cartridges are interchangeable. For instance, 7.62mm NATO (which is a shortened version of the .30-'06 cartridge) does not even share exactltly the same bore diameter with the Soviet 7.62x39mm Com Bloc that the AK-47 and SKS shoot. A 7.62mm NATO rifle is .308 diameter at the grooves of the bore, and the 7.62x39mm rifles are .311 diameter at the grooves of the bore. The case is nowhere near the same shape or length. AMMUNITION IS ONLY VERY RARELY INTERCHANGEABLE. And even when it is, it's still not too adviseable to do it. (A ready example that springs to mind is the fact that a .357 Magnum pistol can shoot all the ".38" cartridges, including .38 S&W, .38 Long, .38 Special and .357 Magnum. BUT THE REVERSE IS NOT TRUE.)

There are a lot of silly, nonsensical things being said about firearms in the news media. Ho hum. What else is new? They are ignorant about virtually everything that matters to me.

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
From the above article:

"Authorities in Baltimore, meanwhile, seized a white van and found an assault rifle, sniper manual and ammunition similar to the .223 bullets used in attacks that have killed eight people and wounded two others, WBAL-TV reported.

MSNBC reported that a tarot card was found in the van and a sign on the dashboard read "Gihad in America." A tarot card was also found at one of the shootings.

The van's owner was being questioned by police Monday night.

"At this time, the task force believes this is not related to our sniper incidents," said Louise Marthens, a Montgomery County police spokeswoman. "


What the fuck? Am I missing something here? That seems to be closely fucking related ..


not related at all actually
the guy is am ex-marine

he and his girl were having a huge fight and she, yes, the woman, shot him

the neighbors bugged out and called the cops with these details..

shots were fired inside the house of an ex-marine who owns several rifles, and a white van

the cops treated it as the sniper guy and swat-teamed the house

they found a sniper manual in his van and the media jumped all over it...especially in baltimore, because you know how local news media is always cltching at straws to bring a national event "close to home"..stoopid

so they arrested the guy and eventually figured out that there was no way he could have been the sniper (based on alibi and witness info etc.)

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by !@#$%



not related at all actually
the guy is am ex-marine

he and his girl were having a huge fight and she, yes, the woman, shot him

the neighbors bugged out and called the cops with these details..

shots were fired inside the house of an ex-marine who owns several rifles, and a white van

the cops treated it as the sniper guy and swat-teamed the house

they found a sniper manual in his van and the media jumped all over it...especially in baltimore, because you know how local news media is always cltching at straws to bring a national event "close to home"..stoopid

so they arrested the guy and eventually figured out that there was no way he could have been the sniper (based on alibi and witness info etc.)

Ahh .. thanks for the clear-up. The article did a shitty job of stating why the two weren't related other than a conclusory statement from the police.

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by yoink
why does it seem like a great majority here fantasize he wont be caught? i mean it is a possibility but in the score sheet for serial killer havent 90 percent of known killers been ultimately caught? i agree with mams when he said it was riveting and basically can be nerve wracking even if your 10, 20, states away but to glorify this dick munch is wrong.

side not where the hell did you stumble upon all thes zany shirts???/

shut up dummy, go to your frat and whine we dont want to hear it.

AND KABAR you should shove it too, i mean that in the kindest way.

the caliber he is using has an uncertainty about it and is easier to come by and cheaper to use. A .223 round is unpredictable and in order to make it an accurate shot it takes alot of skill from the marksman and a very well articulated rifle. The reason he is using the .223 is because it is not as easy to trace. The amount of rifles that use .223 ranges from walmart 99 dollar shit to 1000 dollar special forces rifles issued in foreing countries and the US alike. The vermin round you are taslking about is not a .223 it is a .22, the caliber below a .44 which is a common handgun and revoilver round. .223 is like a 22 but it has a larger casing for gunpowder and the slug is a bit longer which makes it deadlier. this caliber also allows for him to make customizations to his rifle in order to throw law enforcement off. A .223 round can ececute a fatal shot from up to 500 yards away, ballistics test have shown this. However that is with a rifle that runs you about 500 and can be purchased from your local dealer. NUff said this guy is good, DAMN good.

[yoink]

Originally posted by angry xbox
...shut up dummy, go to your frat and whine we dont want to hear it.
you are one of the dumbest and most annoying fuckos here pal, what are you 13?

[yoink]

and hard to shoot a .223~??~ jesus what next, a one armed retarded gimp of a junkie monkey could be doing the same thing this dude is get off HIS dick.

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by yoink
and hard to shoot a .223~??~ jesus what next, a one armed retarded gimp of a junkie monkey could be doing the same thing this dude is get off HIS dick.

seriously you should quit posting altogether bro

you know nothing of firearms or ballistics if you say shit like that

[yoink]

dude i really dont want any e beef, its about as tasty as a saute'd goat ass,
but seriously i shoot, and not just occasionaly, ive been shooting for awhile and semi know what im talking about, not saying you dont either but...i have my point.

[GLIK$]

lets just play some volleyball. mmmk?

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by yoink
dude i really dont want any e beef, its about as tasty as a saute'd goat ass,
but seriously i shoot, and not just occasionaly, ive been shooting for awhile and semi know what im talking about, not saying you dont either but...i have my point.

okay i believe you but you see hes only missed once and only had two fatal shots the rest is well history

9 outta 12 aint bad bro

[KaBar]

From the rifle shown on the news yesterday, if that is an accurate account of what it looked like, it is most likely an Izhmash Arsenal AK-74 clone, manufactured in Izhuesk, Russia. These rifles have been recently imported in some quantity in both 7.62x39mm caliber and also .223. Wholesale, they go for about $400, retail around $600.

He may have chosen this type of rifle because it is what he is most familiar with, especially if he turns out to be a foreign-trained terrorist.

His last victim was gunned down at a range of 30 yards--90 feet. That's like shooting fish in a barrel. I don't see that this guy is such a great marksman. He's murdering innocent, UNARMED civilians at virtually no risk to himself. A complete and total coward, for my money.

The .223 is an inherently accurate round if fired through an accurate rifle. It was developed from a wildcat varmint cartridge, the .222 Remington Magnum, which is very, very close in every dimension to the .223. They changed the dimensions slightly for the military version (the 5.56mm) because the Geneva Convention prohibits the use of "magnum" cartridges in warfare. The differences between the civilian .223 and the 5.56mm are negligible, and the differences between the .222 Rem Mag and the .223 are mainly a slight fraction of an inch longer case in the .222. The .222 Rem Mag case is 1.850" from case head to case mouth, and the .223 is 1.760" for the same dimension. A .223 will chamber in a .222 Rem Mag rifle, but it is not safe to fire, as it has excessive headspace.
Both of these cartridges were made for long-range varmint hunting of animals like the woodchuck or the prairie dog. They work well for that. But if one was working as a sniper against human targets, the .223 is too light a round to be very effective. Standard sniper rifles are usually either 7.62mm NATO or .300 Winchester Magnum. The 7.62mm NATO is a standard military round. Our belt-fed, light, general purpose machineguns like the M-240D (the FN/MAG-58) or the older M-60GP shoot the 7.62mm NATO rounds, as does the M-14 rifle. The problem is that the 7.62mm cartridge has the same trajectory as the old .30-06, with a considerable rainbow to the trajectory. The .300 Win Mag travels at a much higher velocity, with a much flater trajectory. This eliminates much of the adjusting of scopes for elevation at longer ranges because bullet drop at 1,000 meters is much less. With modern ART scopes (automatic ranging telescopes) a lot of the calculating necessary for longer shots with the older scopes has been eliminated anyway. Shooting down unarmed civilians in a parking lot, or from down the block is not SNIPING. It's just regular old murder, just from a slightly longer distance. Sniping is hitting a moving target at 1,000+ meters from concealment. That's pretty close to a half-mile.

You sound like you admire this murderous asshole. We'll see how bad ass he is when the cops finally run his ass to ground.

I've been hunting and shooting since about 1969. In all those years, I've never known one single person who set out to commit a crime against an innocent person with a firearm. There are well over 70 million American gun owners, and much, much less than one-tenth of one percent of them ever commit a gun-related crime anytime during their lives. This one despicable piece of human shit has set out to terrorize Washington D.C., and I hope he dies like the cowardly dog he is. He's not any expert at much of anything that I can see, except not getting arrested. But, like all criminals, he will eventually get busted, and be brought to justice before a jury of his peers. And then we will execute him.

[yoink]

amen KaBar..in other news, turn on the news or go to cnn.com,
possible suspect caught this morning in a white van i guess from witness help, at a gas station in richmond, they kicked the doors of this dudes van finally pryed them open and hauled his ass in....could be?? hopefuly....check it out though there covering it this morning...

[yoink]

apparently they were trying to establish contact with the guy through a note and the note said somethign about making a phone call to investigators, and then the phone number where the call was made (a public phone) was a white van with a dude in it......BUT they are def not sure if its him or what....thats the latest developments...i repeat they are not sure if that is the guy but he got taken in for questioning.

[KaBar]

The cops probably had a warrant to search the guy's house waiting for the arrest. As soon as they busted him, they called in the address and the judge probably signed the warrant and then every cop, ATF agent and FBI man in the world went crashing into the guy's house looking for evidence. Something tells me that this guy, whoever he is, won't be getting much sleep for about a week. "Innocent until proven guilty." Once convicted, and after the appeal has been made, ADIOS.

My greatest fear is that this is actually some kind of a fucking set-up to justify confiscating or restricting, licensing, controlling all the hunting-quality rifles equipped with a telescopic sight. As it stands right now, the United States is completely impregnable. The PEOPLE ARE ARMED and no government, no tyrant, no invading army has the chance of a snowball in Hell of conquering us.

But if they know where all the guns are. Or worse, if they have them all neatly locked up in some police station armory or Army base....guess what?

The First Amendment is guaranteed by the Second. If you got no guns, you got no liberty.

ONE SINGLE ASSHOLE caused all this trouble. If the Government were suddenly to become fascistic, guess what? THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD NOT STAND FOR IT ONE SECOND. Multiply this guy by 500,000 all shooting at jack-booted Nazi Party types.

Hitler's very first move was to disarm the German people.
The 1968 Gun Control Act comes directly from NAZI GUN LAWS.
It's the truth. Look it up for yourself.

(" Deutchland, Deutchland, uber Aus-tral-ia, UBER Aus-tral-ia...")

The the British and the Aussies are completely helpless. Hard to believe, considering how bravely they fought in WWII. Violent crime has skyrockted FORTY-FOUR PER CENT since the Australians turned in their guns. Fuck that.

[UrbanAssault]

Update:
Two men arrested this morning are NOT related to the VA shootings. The to men were in the wrong place at wrong time.

[Grandola]

Originally posted by UrbanAssault
Update:
Two men arrested this morning are NOT related to the VA shootings. The to men were in the wrong place at wrong time.


i haven't heard that, yet.

[UrbanAssault]

Originally posted by Grandola



i haven't heard that, yet.

Its on CNN. The two are illegal immigrants.

[Grandola]

ok... now i heard it.


free my mexican brotha...

[UrbanAssault]

WORD ! son, yo

[Poop Man Bob]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/21/sni...ings/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/21/sniper.shootings/index.html)

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by KaBar


My greatest fear is that this is actually some kind of a fucking set-up to justify confiscating or restricting, licensing, controlling all the hunting-quality rifles equipped with a telescopic sight. As it stands right now, the United States is completely impregnable. The PEOPLE ARE ARMED and no government, no tyrant, no invading army has the chance of a snowball in Hell of conquering us.

that.

oh my god you did not say that did you.

look here. The secon ammendment is not taught to immigrants!!!!

The second ammendment is not taught in schools!!

we are not armed, and they will crush us with thier tanks and swat teams. and those who do see the evil enough to arm themselves will ahve to do it through illegal means because most of us who see the truth see it after being immeressed in evil. IE convicts who cant get fire arms.

anyhow naw that dude that got arrested i think was just making a phone call but the thing was they traced a call from there that told them there was a note in the woods for the po pos

and kabar this guy is no "terrorist" i would think you d have better sense then to follw that propogated word into thinking criminals are terrorists. ahahaahah thats really funny ahahahhh

this guy is 100% amersican born and raised. no one who is an immigrant or so called "terrorist" would know VA that well. that fool grew up in VA fo sho.

[UrbanAssault]

Well, the cops are talking to the sniper or a person close to him. They are sending messages back and forth through the press telling the whoever to " call us back, we couldn't hear you " so they are talking to the person who left the letter. This guy is good, he's been one step ahead the whole time. This last shooting let the cops know that their little spy plane can't do shit. I think the only way he's gonna get caught is if he turns himself in.

[yoink]

yeah this sucks ass i just got home and watched the news nothing too big...oh well hopefuly theyll get some progress soon
feel bad for the guatemalan and mexican guy though...

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by UrbanAssault
Well, the cops are talking to the sniper or a person close to him. They are sending messages back and forth through the press telling the whoever to " call us back, we couldn't hear you " so they are talking to the person who left the letter. This guy is good, he's been one step ahead the whole time. This last shooting let the cops know that their little spy plane can't do shit. I think the only way he's gonna get caught is if he turns himself in.

who the fuk is your source yo?

[UrbanAssault]

Originally posted by angry xbox


who the fuk is your source yo?

OH NO, NOT YOU! naw, just play'n. CNN bro. the press brief given by the police. They told the reporters to pass along this message as much as possible " call us back, we couldn't hear you the audio was bad" so they are in contact with the person(s) that left the note.

[angry xbox]

ahhhh its getting intresting now.

[SleepAnDream]

Originally posted by angry xbox




and kabar this guy is no "terrorist" i would think you d have better sense then to follw that propogated word into thinking criminals are terrorists. ahahaahah thats really funny ahahahhh

this guy is 100% amersican born and raised. no one who is an immigrant or so called "terrorist" would know VA that well. that fool grew up in VA fo sho.

do you live in virginia asshole? well i do. you dont have to be from another country to be considered a terrorist. this guys doing a hell of a job in instilling terror in the DC metro area. people like my girlfriend and my family wondering if theyre gonna be next....four of these killings have happened w/ in 20 minutes of me....ive seen dozens of cops, guns drawn in the last few weeks...not a terrorist? what about the fear running through out these innocent people who get this shit , who are getting stopped, or who are getting shot and killed, just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. its fucking sick, and its my word i would kill this motherfucker in the blink of an eye. poof. gone. hes a fucking terrorist, and youre an ignorant bastard....out

[JIGSAW]

What I think xbox ment was this guy didnt come in from a foreign country just to comit murder for gihad or Al queda or any other terror group, he's just a american born terrorist doing it for kicks, to show how stupid we are to think were safe....

[JIGSAW]

Originally posted by WALE!pd
with any race skin color doesnt mean you can kick my ass so fuck you. this dude wont get caught and if he does your all gonna be fuckin surprised when they reveal his identity :lol: :lol: really I was hoping for a korean guy...I never said he was stupid, but you are, this guy just has some spare time, and money...and I dont think any identity could suprise me, not even if he ran up to somebody and killed them with num chucks made out of penises...

[fr8lover]

Originally posted by -Rage-
[img]http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a172/a172_b_42.jpg'>

bet that ill see some dungeons and dragons trench coat mafia looking motherfucker sporting that within the week.

[-MOE LESTER-]

my 10 year old cousin was playing GTA 3 yesterday...he was the washington sniper...its not as fun though cus the cops dont trip over one person getting shot

[!@#$%]

well, now he's pickin off bus drivers..

i can't wait till he starts sniping little kids in their homes

sitting in the comfort of their den, playing a video game about killing other people and being the sniper..how ironic it will be:rolleyes:

[Poop Man Bob]

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNew...ings021022.html (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/marylandshootings021022.html)


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Another Shooting
Man Shot on Steps of Commuter Bus;
Police Looking at Possible Sniper Link



Oct. 22 — A man shot this morning on the steps of a bus in suburban Maryland reportedly has died, and authorities are trying to determine whether he was the D.C.-area sniper's 13th shooting victim.

The victim, identified by police as a 40-year-old man, was airlifted to Suburban Hospital in Bethesda, Md., where he was treated for a single gunshot wound to the chest, a hospital spokesman said. Reports said the man died at the hospital.
Investigators are scrambling to determine if the victim, the driver of a commuter bus in the Aspen Hill section of Montgomery County, is the work of the serial shooter. He was shot in the same area where the sniper attacks began on Oct. 2.

Police did not know if the shooting was the work of the person or people who carried out the earlier attacks, but they responded as though it was. Traffic was clogged on the main arteries into Washington as a widespread dragnet went into place shortly after the first report of the shooting came into 911 dispatchers at about 6 a.m. ET.

Heavily armed police stopped numerous white vans, in at least one instance ordering the driver out and making him lie on the ground as they searched the back of the vehicle, but there were no immediate reports of arrests.

"We don't know if this is related, but we're treating this as if it is," Montgomery County Police spokeswoman Capt. Nancy Demme said.

Police searched a wooded area next to the bus stop where the driver was shot, using trained dogs to sniff out any possible clues.

School Threat?

The latest shooting came as schools remained closed for a second straight day in the counties around Ashland, Va., where a note was found after the shooting Saturday night of a 37-year-old man in a restaurant parking lot. The note demanded a large sum of money and said that if it was not paid there would be more violence. The multi-page letter reportedly was written in garbled English and threatened attacks against children.

"There was a credible threat made in the area that something was going to happen," a high-ranking local government official told The Richmond Times Dispatch.

Though most school officials were cagey in their response to questions about the closing, one source in the Richmond schools confirmed to the Times-Dispatch that the note was the reason that schools were closed.

"We went out at first and said schools are the safest place," Chesterfield, Va., County School Board Chairman James Schroeder said. "But if police have information saying our schools might be threatened, we have to respect that."

One victim of the sniper, a 13-year-old boy who was shot outside his school in Bowie, Md., earlier this month, is still recovering in the hospital.

Authorities close to the task force investigating the sniper attacks also told The Los Angeles Times that the letter contained threats about children, and that warning appeared to have played a role in the school closings.

‘Call Us Back’

The discovery of the note also prompted a series of cryptic statements by Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose on Sunday and Monday, as police apparently tried to open a line of communication with whoever wrote it.

On Monday, Moose appealed for a person who called police with an apparently disguised voice to "call us back," because the first call was not understood.

The shooting Tuesday in Aspen Hill is near the area where the series of sniper shootings began on Oct. 2. Police are trying to determine if it is linked to the attacks on 12 other people. (ABCNEWS.com/ Maps.com)


It appeared to be his latest attempt to establish contact with the sniper, who is known to have attacked 12 people since Oct. 2, killing nine and wounding three.

"The person you called could not hear everything you said," Moose said, urging the media to get the word out. "The audio was unclear and we want to get it right. Call us back so that we can clearly understand."

Moose, who has been leading the task force investigation on the sniper attacks, would not further explain his message, saying it would be inappropriate and could compromise the investigation. He would not even confirm that he was talking to the suspected sniper, or whether he was reaching out to more than one person.

On Monday, authorities detained two men in their search for the sniper. The two men were taken into custody by a SWAT team that converged on a white van at a gas station in Richmond. One man was taken into custody there while the other person was picked up around the same time and in the same area, Richmond police said.

The two men apparently came under suspicion because police believed they were tied to the note left near the scene of Saturday's attack. Their detainment prompted initial optimism that perhaps a serial sniper suspect was under arrest.

However, late Monday afternoon it appeared authorities concluded the men were linked to neither the note nor the shootings.

The Henrico County, Va., Police Department did not press any charges against them. The men — one a Mexican and the other a Guatemalan — turned out to be illegal aliens and were turned over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service to be deported.

[!@#$%]

i heard from a friend that interpol is worried about some missing french foreign legion sniper who went awol and is loose somewhere in north america.

i was looking for some info about it and came upon an extremely disturbing website
it looks like a defintive history of serial killing..

http://home1.inet.tele.dk/chilsta/killer1.htm

fuckin weird

[UrbanAssault]

Originally posted by JIGSAW
What I think xbox ment was this guy didnt come in from a foreign country just to comit murder for gihad or Al queda or any other terror group, he's just a american born terrorist doing it for kicks, to show how stupid we are to think were safe....

It has that " type" of feel to it but if you think about it, this guy(s) is picking the most American targets. Home Depot, Pondarosa, Gas Stations, Bus Drivers, Kids going to school, people from different states.
These are things that Americans love and terrorists hate. Its hard to tell with out knowing anything at all.

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by UrbanAssault


It has that " type" of feel to it but if you think about it, this guy(s) is picking the most American targets. Home Depot, Pondarosa, Gas Stations, Bus Drivers, Kids going to school, people from different states.
These are things that Americans love and terrorists hate. Its hard to tell with out knowing anything at all.

I don't know. Simply because the targets are everyday Americans doing everyday things doesn't mean it has to be a foreign terrorist. The targets could be just that ... regular Americans that happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

As much as it pains me to do this, I agree with xbox. I feel it's most likely an American that watched a few too many movies and got mad at the world.

[Grandola]

its all a front the government is putting up for iraq and the next terror attack... thats what hugh downs told me to think

[UrbanAssault]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob


I don't know. Simply because the targets are everyday Americans doing everyday things doesn't mean it has to be a foreign terrorist. The targets could be just that ... regular Americans that happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

As much as it pains me to do this, I agree with xbox. I feel it's most likely an American that watched a few too many movies and got mad at the world.

Yea, I get that gut feeling too. If it was a foreign thing, you would think it would be more wide spread. I don't know, shits crazy!

[UrbanAssault]

Originally posted by Grandola
its all a front the government is putting up for iraq and the next terror attack... thats what hugh downs told me to think

:lol: Toooo much News is bad for you.

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by Grandola
its all a front the government is putting up for iraq and the next terror attack... thats what hugh downs told me to think

oh my god you sound like me on one of my angry pissed off at the world days. ahahahahahah

anyhow this is terror in a way but really this guy is no war criminal like hitler and when you say terrorist i think like a goddamn tyrant like mousalinni or castro. I mean the type of peeps who just dfont give a fuck and have the power to not give a fuck by disposing of hundreds of peeps. This guy is simply a serial killer. He is no more dangerous than a soldier who got confused and thought the war was in his home country. And about him being any part of a shitty marksman kabar?? Id have to say he has gotten sloppy but hes done pretty good so far day or night this guy is ninja!!! and no i dont admire him, but i do have respect for him because he is making a violent protest against our nation and showing how our so called law enforcement is lacking greatly in flexing its militant muscle. I mean flex they might but it wont grasp even the mediocre of tactical criminals.

and about this american of american places?? thats lame dude real lame. I mean is sitting at a desk made in america, american?? is ridning PT ameriscan??? ahahahahah no sir this guy is picking tacti cal targets and like that fool on the news said he prolly is planning his shit out.

oh yeah and i stayed in VA for a summer so yeah i understand its a metro area that is not very easily navigated by anyone who isnt from there. like i said this guy knows his goegraphy.

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by Con


Yo, can you believe this shit?!? We were just sitting in my living room hours ago talking about this and look what pops off. I didn't hear about it this morning and on my way to work got stuck in mad traffic. I was rolling past a few of the spots where the metro police park their cruisers now in the median and rounded a corner to roll up Mass Ave to Montgomery County and there was a team of ATF and metro police decked out in swat gear pulling two dudes out of a white van. I figured someone got shot again but not back here again. Fuckin silly.

Oh yeah...here's the link I found in a search:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/21...21/france.awol/ (http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/21/france.awol/)



jesus h christ...

The French soldier is known to be an excellent marksman, The Associated Press reported. The deserter has not been in contact with his family since he left for the U.S., Bureau said.

Francois Guillermet, spokesman for Saint-Cyr, said it was the first registered case of desertion in the school's 200-year history and the man's disappearance was a "complete mystery.


no one has any fuckin clue who is doing this..
no clue at all!!!
there is definitely a funky vibe in that locale..

duck for your smoke break
and watch your back my friend...:o

[UrbanAssault]

Originally posted by angry xbox


and about this american of american places?? thats lame dude real lame. I mean is sitting at a desk made in america, american?? is ridning PT ameriscan??? ahahahahah no sir this guy is picking tacti cal targets and like that fool on the news said he prolly is planning his shit out.



Well, to people that don't like America, arn't from America or just hate Americans it is. Americans take pride in what we do or make or whatever and people know this. Besides, it was just a thought. Its not like I'm stuck on it. I'm in the dark like everybody else but I do think it's an American. Time will tell.

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by UrbanAssault


Well, to people that don't like America, arn't from America or just hate Americans it is. Americans take pride in what we do or make or whatever and people know this. Besides, it was just a thought. Its not like I'm stuck on it. I'm in the dark like everybody else but I do think it's an American. Time will tell.

this qoute is why i was saying it dont matter...

"We remain concerned about the safety of all the people in our region," Moose said. "We realize that the person or the people involved in this have shown a clear willingness and ability to kill people of all ages, all races, all genders, all professions, [at] different times, different days, different locations."



ummmm

i just wanted to add that yeah serial but not terorist

he has no focus really, hes just popping niggas off like he was playing tom clancys rogue spear, or Unreal Tournament.

[Poop Man Bob]

The bus driver died.



SILVER SPRING, Maryland (CNN) -- A bus driver was shot to death Tuesday morning in Montgomery County, Maryland, and the sniper task force was investigating whether the killing was connected to the attacks that have left nine dead and three wounded in the Washington area.

Police said the driver was standing on the top step platform of a commuter bus when he was shot in the chest. The bus was sitting in a staging area where buses begin or end their routes.

The driver was taken to a trauma center in Bethesda, where he died.

Authorities identified the victim as Conrad Johnson, 35, a married father of two and a 10-year employee of the county's Ride On bus service.

"He loved basketball, he loved his kids -- very large extended family. And he's going to be missed greatly," said Montgomery County Executive Doug Duncan.

Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose said police had not received any descriptions of vehicles or suspects from Tuesday's shooting. He urged citizens to remain vigilant.

"We remain concerned about the safety of all the people in our region," Moose said. "We realize that the person or the people involved in this have shown a clear willingness and ability to kill people of all ages, all races, all genders, all professions, [at] different times, different days, different locations."

The shooting was reported at 5:56 a.m. EDT in the Aspen Hill neighborhood of Silver Spring, an area close to the scenes of several of the previous sniper attacks.

Police in cars and helicopters converged on the shooting scene, which is near a basketball court surrounded by woods. Major roadways in and around the Washington metro area were blocked as police hunted for clues. Bloodhounds were being used to comb the woods near the scene. (Gallery)

The shooting prompted officials to order all Montgomery County schools to operate under Code Blue, said Brian Porter, director of communications for the schools. Under Code Blue, all exterior doors are locked, all entrances and exits are monitored and all staff maintain a higher level of vigilance than usual, said Porter.

The first six sniper shootings took place in Montgomery County. No one was injured in the first, when a window was shot out at a Michaels craft store in Aspen Hill on October 2. Five people were subsequently killed in the county October 2 and 3.

Meanwhile, law enforcement sources said a hand-written note found near the scene of Saturday's sniper shooting in Virginia "hinted at a demand for money" and threatened "more killing." One official said it contained a timeline for authorities to act, and if they failed, then there would be more attacks.

Sources told CNN the note contained unspecified threats about killing children if certain demands were not met.

CNN initially withheld that information at the request of law enforcement officials, who feared that releasing it could jeopardize the investigation and put the community at risk. However, after several other news organizations reported the information, the officials said they had no objection to CNN reporting it.

The note is undergoing analysis at an FBI lab for DNA, handwriting and other details that might help determine who wrote it. Sources said authorities were working under the assumption that it is from the sniper.

The discovery of the note behind the Ponderosa Steakhouse in Ashland, Virginia, prompted Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose on Sunday to make his first plea to the sniper to contact authorities. (Account of response to note)

Investigators believe the sniper called authorities Monday morning using a voice-disguising device, a source close to the investigation told CNN.

It was that phone call, this source said, that prompted Moose to urge the possible sniper to "call us back."

"The person you called could not hear everything that you said. The audio was unclear, and we want to get it right," Moose said at a Monday news conference. (Full story)

[!@#$%]

from msnbc....

The sources said police believe the caller is the sniper because information either from the phone calls or the letter indicates intimate knowledge of the tarot card left Oct. 7 at a shooting scene in Bowie, Md.
*** *** *** ***The Post’s sources said that at least once the male caller said, “I am God” — a reference to the publicly disclosed words on the tarot card.
*** *** *** ***
DETAILS ABOUT LETTER

*** *** *** ***The sources added that the letter was at least three pages long, contained veiled threats and mentioned a demand for money.
*** *** *** ***A senior law enforcement official speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity said Tuesday that the letter suggested the author wants several million dollars.
*** *** *** ***The Los Angeles Times and Richmond Times-Dispatch said the letter also contained a threat directed toward schools.
*** *** *** ***The Times also reported that unidentified federal agents said the letter was poorly worded, bordering on broken English.
*** *** *** ***An investigator who read the note told Bloom that the contents indicate “this could be a very difficult time we are about to go through.”

[angry xbox]

“this could be a very difficult time we are about to go through.”

like whoa!!

are they trying tio cause a riot????

damn yo if they saying that it means one of two things they are hella lost or they are trying to make the snipe guy think that

maybe his comment about targeting schools isa front i mean that doesnt fit his previous history of popping off random peeps right??

very intricate here very difficult. im starting to get lost man!!

[UrbanAssault]

" Your children are not safe anywhere, at anytime. "
This was just released by police/ press.

[!@#$%]

what they mean is that the guy is now making serious threats about his future plans if his demands aren't met

they aren't sure yet what the demands are, but already they have mentioned thet the guy is hinting at wanting millions of $$$$ to stop..

difficult period because they know they have nothing on the guy but the communications he has left and the shell casings..they still have no clue who he his, or likely, what his motivations are..

he has made it clear that he is going to continue killing people

if you are anywhere near the area that this is all going down in, as i am, you know that the guy who said difficult time is right..
people are scared already, and it seems like this may only be the beginning..
maybe he is hinting at killing more children, or more people at once..or maybe a new method etc...

difficult for all the people who have to live in a heightened state of fear, as many d.c. area residents now are..

and as far as rioting, why the fuck would people riot?
they are already scared to spend much time outside...
school sporting events have crazy security at them...
the roads all around dc are sporting cops every mile practically...this is no climate for mass hysteria or a riot..
more like making people board up their doors and windows. and never come outside again

[UrbanAssault]

Originally posted by UrbanAssault
" Your children are not safe anywhere, at anytime. "
This was just released by police/ press.

This is from the sniper note as a post script.

[Tyler Durden]

wow...im very dissapointed that this is just going to turn out being for money. if he really thinks that he's going to get money and get away clean...then he is a complete idiot...

[angry xbox]

ahahahahaahahaha

yeah tyler preach on brotha ahahahahhaahah

money is for fools and demons fuck that shit raw dog and bail

[KaBar]

Since there is very little solid information about the guy. He's just some idiot who shoots innocent people for no particular reason. Dimes to dollars the cops hold court in the street when they finally find him.

Oh, and angry xbox, I disagree with you wholeheartedly about the people being armed making a difference.

Bill Clinton and Janet Reno damn near set off a civil war with Ruby Ridge and Waco. They haven't burned down any more churches full of people recently now have they? And why not? Because the FBI estimated there were more than 90,000 pissed-off militia members buying rifles, ammunition and military equipment like there was no tomorrow.

In my opinion, that was probably a low-ball figure.

Just as quickly as it grew, the militia movement faded away. But all those logistical resources are still out there. I imagine that some of that ammunition has been cached in the ground for about nine years now. Probably a lot of it was dug up already.

They used to say "The U.S. Army has helicopter re-supply. The militia has the generosity of the American people."

I know of at least five separate militia training areas in the Houston general vicinity, all of them are shut down now. The biggest one had a 14-target "Hogan's Alley" down in a gully, and a 135-yard rifle range, and ready access to the Brazos River, where they practiced rappelling off the bluffs and planned air boat operations. I hear that they still train up in Sam Houston National Forest "once in a while."

The coolest idea I heard of was a combined operation that involved dropping a payload by parachute to a militia unit on the ground, but it was scotched because the leadership was concerned it might give the DEA the wrong idea. Quite a few of the Houston units had some former Army infantry or Airborne soldiers or former Marines as members.

But not any more. "They disbanded."

[effyoo]

Does anyone think that its a coincidence that just as the anti-war movement was really starting to get rolling against Bush, that the sniper story became the next big thing?

Just a thought I had....

[richard kyel]

i think its all just a missunderstanding. this guys isnt really trying to hurt anyone. he is shooting flies and they are walking in front of his bullets. he just wants some money cause of his pest control work he has not yet been paid for

[angry xbox]

So kabar you are saying that we as a people could overthrow the american government without weapons?? I dont believe this is the case, now you may be right in saying that they havent blackened out our rights to bear arms but i wouldnt put it past the greedy tyrants. Now if you are saying that waco and ruby ridge was a big joke and that reno did shoot some unarmmed innocent folks, then you and i agree. Now i say unarmmed as in at that moment that they were attacked. Not that they didnt posses weapons. When they do catch this guy its gonna be a field day for these beuracrats on banning our arms. Dont believe me?? it wont be hard to convince the masses given the scenario.

[KaBar]

I do not believe the government of the United States could or should be overthrown. I am a loyal American citizen, and if by some bizarre turn of events the U.S. government asked me to return to active service as a Marine, or in some other capacity, I would go.

HOWEVER---there were elements within the government in the early '90s that were not loyal, decent Americans. They misused and abused the positions of power to which they were appointed or elected, and I sincerely believe their intentions were to severely curtail or even abrogate the Constitution, or at least significant parts of it.

I believe that elements within the FBI and the CIA both are globalists, and are dedicated to undermining American sovereignity, in order to empower a "World Government." They probably mean well, and think that the ends justifies the means.

Bill Clinton was a socialist and a North Vietnam sympathizer during the Vietnam war. (I was an anarchist and conscientious objector, so this is somewhat like the pot calling the kettle black.) His girlfriend, Hillary Rodham, worked for PRO-COMMUNIST CAUSES during her time in college, and clerked in the law offices of the lawyers who represent the Communist Party USA. This is absolute fact, no exaggeration.

Janet Reno has demonstrated an extreme statist and authoritarian stance IN FAVOR of the anti-family, anti-religion, anti-fundamentalist Christian wing of the feminist movement. It has long been rumored that she is a lesbian, and I think that this is more-or-less an open secret. She was fundamental in pushing for "the military option" at Waco, and bears plenty of responsibility, along with Hillary Rodham Clinton, for the government's murders of the Branch Davidians.

The same FBI HRT snipers that worked at Ruby Ridge also were used at Waco. Many of their names are rumored to be known to the militia movement. Lon Horiuchi, in particular, has been living in hiding ever since he shot Vicky Weaver. And he is probably wise to do so. Some of these men allowed themselves to be videotaped joking and laughing and fucking around with the Branch Davidian building burning down in the background, and I have seen militia meetings degenerate into screaming matches when this videotape is shown. They have NO FUCKING IDEA how furious the militia movement was or how willing they were to avenge the deaths of those innocent people. If I were one of those FBI HRT members, I'd be hiding, no shit.

If you have never seen the documentary movie "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" you need to find it, and view it. There are several films about Waco out. The Linda Thompson film is bullshit, but it demonstrates how angry they were. The second film, with the FBI FLIR (forward-looking infared radar) footage on it is simply chilling, and I don't mean "cool."

Things change. Political moments pass. Tempers cool after a while. Bush got elected, and all I can tell you is that it's a damn good thing he did.

HOWEVER--(you can't trust a god damned politician) now HE'S done more harm to the Constitution with his so-called Patriot Act than Bill Clinton ever hoped to do.

I understand ammunition is selling briskly again.

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by KaBar

Things change. Political moments pass. Tempers cool after a while. Bush got elected, and all I can tell you is that it's a damn good thing he did.

HOWEVER--(you can't trust a god damned politician) now HE'S done more harm to the Constitution with his so-called Patriot Act than Bill Clinton ever hoped to do.



Sooo .. if there's no answer re: electable politicians (you basically implied that both Clinton and Bush haven't done their job. This leads me to believe that you don't have faith in either of them. I could be taking it too far with the premise that politicians in general aren't doing what we elect them for .. but what the hey), what do you suggest we do? Separate into 50 independent, wholly sovereign nations? Would that appease the militia movement? Along those lines, what is it they are fighting for (or preparing to fight for)? I know that question isn't fair because there is no answer that completely encompasses all of the militia groups' desires .. but in a general sense, what do they want?

I've always assumed it's govt. intrusion out of their daily lives. Well, well, well, conservative right-wingers .. Bush is certainly advocating that! The Patriot Act doesn't do anything to enlarge govt's involvement in our lives. The GOP talks a good game .. but when it comes down to it, they are just as willing as the Left to enlarge their own powers through legislative acts, executive decisions, what have you.

I know this isn't on topic, but I'll be done momentarily. KaBar, you have spoken of the Left letting you down. Although I don't know your exact reasons, the Right is full of just as much bullshit as the Left (and much more, in my view). They preach limited govt, reduction in taxes, etc, but they won't have any of it once they're in office.

Bah. This is too long and strayed far from my original point. It's just hard not to fall back to my general dislike of virtuecrats (those that attempt to force their own virtues on everyone else b/c what they believe is Correct ... a la O'Reilly, Buchanan, Bork, etc.).

Sorry, I rambled too much. :o

[angry xbox]

Anyhow im just saying i believe whole heartidly(?) in revolution and the revolutionary. Maybe im dellusional but who knows. Anyhow yeah the government was a murder in the case of WACO and ruby ridge but apparently they think they had good reason. If those militias(yeah right) were shown as free functioning religous sects then thier system would be laughed upon. They would be considered weak, by thier fellowmen of global domination and world order which has been in plan since the early 1900's(sic). the u.s. doesnt have to much power in this global plan. However we arent to far from the top. One of the reasons is that we are somewhat of a soverign state with our woner of democracy. One of the nations that is now undergoing this 1984/brave new world order is western europe. Notice the CCTV in the United Kingdom?? Scary shit yo and there is this great speech or seminar that ALdous huxley gave on psychoterrorism that really hits it home(circa 1962). Anyhow the U.S. is just begining in on this psychoterrorism bullshit and most of it is blatantly obvious but these bandwagon patriots who would love to lynch the sniper are the types who will go against the truth seekers like you and me. If you want some great videos on waco and other types of topics like 911 and global order you oughtta check this site out.

actually i got two that have great articles from acredited sources:

www.infowars.com (http://www.infowars.com)
www.propagandamatrix.com (http://www.propagandamatrix.com)

another good topic we should discuss:
the dollar and how its not backed

I have alot of angry views but i am nowhere near being an ignorant uninformed retard...

[KaBar]

I don't feel qualified in the slightest to speak about what the militia movement in general might have wanted. (Like I said, "They disbanded.") The militia members I knew here in Texas were all very conservative, politically, and were very focused on the idea of "strict interpretation" of the Constitution. The phrase "The Constitution is a living document" is a liberal phrase meaning "fuck it--we can bend that sonofabitch any way we please as long as we control the Supreme Court." The idea that the Bill of Rights is not FIXED AND INVIOLATE is an idea guaranteed to make militia members fighting mad.

In general, they are strong supporters of the Tenth Amendment. They do NOT believe that the Government has a right to bend and twist the law this way and that to suit themselves.

They are strong supporters of law and order, in general, but believe that we have far, far, far too many obscure and contradictory laws on the books. There are, for instance, over 20,000 gun laws restricting honest citizens' rights to own firearms. Criminals do not obey ANY of them, so what good are they? Only HONEST citizens obey laws.

Many militia members believe that the Government has no legitimate right to tax one's income. They believe the Federal Income Tax to be unconstitutional, and part and parcel of a conspiracy of global dimensions to control many political and financial events all around the world. There is an excellent book about this, published by the (get ready) John Birch Society, called "The Creature from Jekyll Island." It is an accurate historical account of how the Robber Barons of the Money Trust hoodwinked the American people into accepting a Federal income tax in 1913, and how the so-called Federal Reserve System is used to milk the American people for billions of dollars. I know this sounds crazy. Read the book---you won't think it's so crazy after you read all the details.

If any one idea is predominate, it is that the American people have the individual RIGHT to own guns. It is not a privelege to be granted or taken away by government decree, it is a "God-given" right, a right that existed BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF EXISTED. It is not that the Government "permits" people to own guns. The Second Amendment states it clearly--"Shall Not Be Infringed." No ambiguity there. The idea that "the militia" is the National Guard is also erroneous. The militia is the part of the population which may be called to arms in an emergency, which is not a part of the regular military forces.

The militia existed BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT EXISTED. The National Guard was not created until the Dick Act of 1913. Prior to that, each state had it's own State Militia. The Militia Act of 1793 was the legal basis for their existance. If the nation and the states had been correctly following the Militia Act of 1793, we would not have ever needed the Dick Act.

Today, the law that governs the militia is 10 USC 311. (That's Title 10, Section 311 of the United States Code.) It says that ALL able-bodied men, between the ages of 17 and 45, who are citizens, or who have made declaration to become citizens, are members of the militia. Furthermore, so are all women "who are members of the National Guard." And, furthermore, all men between ages 17 and 64 "who have prior military service" are also members of the militia.

The militia is these men and women above^^^ "who are not active-duty members of the Army, the Navy, the Air Force or the Marine Corps." In other words, EVERY ABLE-BODIED MAN WHO IS NOT IN THE ARMED FORCES IS IN THE MILITIA, more or less.

That would include everybody on this board who is male, able-bodied and older than 17 years old. Welcome to the MILITIA.

The Second Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms because a "well-regulated militia" is necessary to the security of a free state. And what is the militia? All able-bodied men between 17 and 45, and 17 and 64 if they have prior military service. In other words, "THE PEOPLE HAVE THE UNDENIABLE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS." Not just when the government says it's okay, but now and forever, and it "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

The guys in the militia believe this in their hearts and souls, because it is the truth. If the Government tries to disarm the People, there will be civil war. And that's pretty much it. There are 1.8 million soldiers in the U.S. armed forces. The licensed deer hunters alone in the U.S. constitute THIRTY-ONE MILLION MEN. Do the math. We don't work for them. THEY work for us.

[Poop Man Bob]

http://robots.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/24/...ings/index.html (http://robots.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/24/sniper.shootings/index.html)



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MIDDLETOWN, Maryland (CNN) -- Members of the sniper task force arrested an ex-soldier and his stepson early Thursday at a freeway rest stop. Sources told CNN the two were considered suspects in the shootings that have killed 10 and wounded three in the Washington area.

Sources identified the two as John Allen Muhammad, 42 -- a Gulf War veteran named in a federal arrest warrant for firearms violations who was being sought as a material witness in the sniper case -- and his 17-year-old stepson John Lee Malvo, a Jamaican citizen.

They were taken to an undisclosed location in Montgomery County and questioned. The string of deadly shootings began in the county three weeks ago, and the most recent victim linked to the sniper was killed there Tuesday. (Trail of the sniper)

A weapon has not been recovered, but witnesses said police removed a couple of duffel bags from the car. Police have obtained a warrant to search the car more thoroughly.

Muhammad and Malvo were sleeping in a blue 1990 Chevrolet Caprice, which a motorist and attendant recognized as matching the description of a vehicle authorities were looking for -- a blue or burgundy 1990 Chevrolet Caprice with New Jersey license plate NDA 21Z.

The sighting was reported to police, who relayed the tip to the sniper task force, which dispatched officers to the scene some 50 miles northwest of Washington.

The rest area is along a seven-mile stretch of Interstate 70 near Myersville, Maryland, that had been shut down in a dragnet launched just a few hours earlier by Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose, the head of the sniper task force.

After the October 3 shooting of Pascal Charlot, 72, in Washington, D.C., law enforcement officials searched for a burgundy Chevrolet Caprice. One such car was later found burned out in the D.C. area, but it was never determined whether it had anything to do with the fatal shooting.

Other developments
•President Bush was told Thursday morning that law enforcement officials are confident the arrests of Muhammad and Malvo represent a significant breakthrough, a senior administration official said. "It is an ongoing situation, but he was told they are optimistic they have cracked this," the official said.

•The Baltimore Sun reported Wednesday that authorities got a break in the case from a recent phone call believed to be from the sniper, who said that investigators should "take him seriously" and "check with the people in Montgomery," or words to that effect. The newspaper said police then checked recent shootings in Montgomery, Alabama, and found a double shooting outside a liquor store on September 21 that involved .223 caliber ammunition -- the same type used by the sniper.

•Police found a piece of paper bearing Malvo's fingerprint at the scene of the Montgomery shooting, the Sun reported. Malvo, authorities learned, lived with Muhammad. Montgomery Mayor Bobby Bright told CNN that sniper task force investigators "came to us two days ago ... (and) we gave them the evidence we collected in the case." Bright said the fingerprint was among that evidence, but investigators "have not officially authenticated it."

•Authorities searched a duplex in Tacoma, Washington on Wednesday and left with a tree trunk apparently used for target practice. Sources said Muhammad once served at Fort Lewis, not far from the duplex.

•North of Tacoma near the Canadian border, the mayor of Bellingham, Washington said the FBI and local police had searched Bellingham High School, where Malvo reportedly attended school last year.

•Military officials told CNN Muhammad was not trained as a sniper and was not in the Special Forces, but had expertise in combat support missions.

•Federal authorities searched a paramilitary training camp in Marion, Alabama, on Wednesday, local officials said. The FBI would not say where the search was conducted, but did say the search was related to the sniper case. Police in Marion said the property searched was a training camp -- "Ground Zero USA" -- that specializes in urban warfare, martial arts and SWAT tactics. Police did not elaborate on what, if anything, was taken from the property.

•At a midnight news conference Wednesday, Moose delivered another message to the sniper, urging him to contact police.

"Our inability to talk has been a concern for us as it has been for you," Moose said. "You have indicated that you want us to do and say certain things. You asked us to say, 'We have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose.' We understand that hearing us say this is important to you.

"However, we want you to know how difficult it has been to understand what you want because you have chosen to use only notes, indirect messages, and calls to other jurisdictions."

•Law enforcement sources said a note was found near the scene of Tuesday's fatal shooting of a bus driver in Silver Spring, Maryland. Sources said the note is similar to the letter found after a weekend shooting in Virginia that has been linked to the sniper.

•Sources told CNN the Virginia letter revealed a frustrated individual -- believed to be the sniper -- critical of law enforcement's efforts in the investigation. The writer complained that he tried numerous times to call authorities, only to have officials hang up on him.

[Poop Man Bob]

KaBar -

I'll write a longer response later, so I'll say only a bit right now.

Reversionists (relying on the ORIGINAL intent of the Constitution) have a long, hard road ahead of them as far as interpreting the Constitution goes. They only have one true reversionist on the Supreme Court (C. Thomas), and he is forced to side with other Justices that kind of make his point .. all in an attempt to further his cause.

We could argue for hours about what the original intent of the founders was re: the Constitution .. and therein lies the problem. Everyone has different ideas what the "original" intent was! Which founding fathers are we talking about? The Federalists and Anti-Federalists held very contrasting views re: state power vis a vis the national government. One can argue that the Federalists essentially won (by getting their version of the Constitution ratified), so they are the true founding fathers. This argument doesn't sit well with you, I assume, since the Federalists were arguing for a much stronger national government than the Anti-federalists.

Basically, I'm trying to show that there is no single "original" intent of the founders or the Constitution. Let's give the founders the benefit of the doubt .. they were smart guys, so they knew that the words they were laying down could be interpreted in numerous ways.


One can also make a strong argument that the 10th Amendment has never stood for anything ... that's it's simply a tautalogy .. a truism. It basically states a self-evident fact that whatever isn't given to the national govt. is reserved for the states. Wasn't that the whole intent of the Constitution? The Const. doesn't bestow any NEW powers on the state governments .. it merely takes some away and gives them to the national govt.

I agree that the national government has interpreted the Const. (and ESPECIALLY the commerce clause) to do whatever they deem proper, but there has been a new resurgence of federalism on the Supreme Court these past few years .. much of it led by C.J. Rehnquist. So there may be hope yet. ..

Shit. This got long, too. Sorry. :o I'm off to class.

[!@#$%]

you reminded me..

halloween 2000 i dressed as a terrorist

i bought an army surplus jacket, took it out back and shot two holes in it

i bought a nice lookin toy gun

sported my israeli full face gas mask

and a turban

probably the last year that costume was funny..



on a side note, they are gonna burn that fucker at the stake..

but the 17 year old?!
fuckin sucks

[UrbanAssault]

Originally posted by UrbanAssault


It has that " type" of feel to it but if you think about it, this guy(s) is picking the most American targets. Home Depot, Pondarosa, Gas Stations, Bus Drivers, Kids going to school, people from different states.
These are things that Americans love and terrorists hate. Its hard to tell with out knowing anything at all.

These two could very well be muslim extremists. The older one is ,investigators are trying to figure out if he belongs to the same org. as Richard Reid( shoe bomber ). All this of corse, awaits the matching of guns / bullets and all that mess. I think dude got caught slip'n.

[PAYROLL]

Please close every thread concerning the DC serial sniper. This topic is as worn out as the pussies of the mothers of the 12oz members who perpetuate it. Besides, there's never any new, accurate information posted; however, there are more conspiracy theories thrown in these threads than in any Dead Prez song. With this being said, I'll close with the following statement:Originally posted by PAYROLL
close this shit

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by PAYROLL
Please close every thread concerning the DC serial sniper. This topic is as worn out as the pussies of the mothers of the 12oz members who perpetuate it. Besides, there's never any new, accurate information posted; however, there are more conspiracy theories thrown in these threads than in any Dead Prez song. With this being siad, I'll close with the following statement:

If you read what's being said in here, most of the discussion has moved past the DC sniper and onto issues of the Constitution and government's role in our lives.

For that reason, it should be kept open. :P

[UrbanAssault]

Originally posted by PAYROLL

This topic is as worn out as the pussies of the mothers of the 12oz members who perpetuate it.

Should I take that to heart ?

[angry xbox]

Originally posted by Con
The snipers are CAUGHT. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
They just reported they found a Bushmaster 223 behind the seat of the Caprice, a scope and tripod. Not to mention all the Jamacian references they are now releasing in the note.

You fuckers are gonna fry. Word is bond bitches.:mad:

you are as stupid as the fucking media and should be shot execution style.

they have not been proven just yet you dumbass, they are just suspects. I mean what the fuck, these guys fit the profile but what if they are not the killers, goddamn america is soooo stupid, especially the media. what if these guys are copy cats and i believe what was said before is its possible that they bought the weapon from a recent gun show and that they are homeless. If they were sleeping in thier car and did that every night and bought a gun for protection hmmmmmm see what im saying. i dunno i wanna see the hole in this trunk an shit i bet they lying cause they dont want to look like they cant ENFORCE the lawwho knows yo i want to see this trial. I bet money it wont get televised...

now your turn

[Poop Man Bob]

Bump for KaBar.

[KING BLING]

Criminals do not obey ANY of them, so what good are they? Only HONEST citizens obey laws.

Apply this quote to murder or rape and see what it gets you.

[KaBar]

Apparently, murderers continue to murder, even though the law carries the most severe penalties that our justice system can accomodate. Same goes for rapists. They are not deterred by the law. Criminals do whatever they please, regardless of what the law says, both out in the free, or in the jailhouse. They only follow the rules when they are forced to do so.

What can I tell you? If I catch a burglar in my house, there won't be a trial. There won't even be a body.

Oh, there's a new thing---home made dog food. Sort of like baking your own bread? It looks like hamburglar.

Just kidding.

But in a related story, here in Houston the cops raided the rural residence of a member of the Bandidos motorcycle club, and noted that he had several large, healthy, well-fed guard dogs out in his back yard. They searched it, and found the chipped-up remains of seven bodies, bone chips, teeth, etc. in the back yard grass and in dog feces.

"I'd like to rent your largest woodchipper please. And a power washer."

[im not witty]

kabar...
i dont know if i grasp your point with this only honest people follow laws, criminals break them... it seems the next logical step is why have them at all. and not just gun laws, any kind of laws. How many people arent robbing/killing/raping strictly because its against the law and they fear prosecution? not too many more than who are doing those things anyway id guess.

i mean, im sure alot of youngins on here would say oh if murder wasnt against the law id kill all the fuckers who make fun of my lame ass at school. but they wouldnt. Im just wondering (outloud) if criminals are criminals are criminals (a rose is a rose is a rose) whats the point of law in the first place. *shrug

[amItoolate?]

whoa dude, thats like, deep man, fuck!

[angry xbox]

www.ampland.com (http://www.ampland.com)

www.al4a.com (http://www.al4a.com)

[KaBar]

You've definately got a point. Since I'm more-or-less a Libertarian or maybe a conservative Republican with a Libertarian foundation. I tend to agree with the statement "That government which governs best, governs least."

Murder, however, is forbidden in virtually all societies, even primative hunter-gatherer societies in the Amazon River Basin. They have no law or written rules, but there are taboos, just the same. Murder is Number One. Number Two is incest within one's immediate family. They don't recognize cousin marriages as incest.

The few anarchist societies that have existed have forbidden the basic felonies as well, they just did not have a judge, jury and courtroom to enforce the rules. For instance, anarchists do not marry officially. But when a couple decided to live together to co-habit, they would go down to the Health Department and file a certificate of co-habitation, so that there would be no accidental in-breeding down the line. It wasn't a marriage license, per se, but it sure functioned like one.