rape

[TEARZ]

mods, i understand the sensititive subject matter and i don't mind if this gets shut down if people can't handle it. please don't post stupid shit in here.

we all know that 12oz is a bit of a boys club. i'd like to use this forum, and the relative anonymity provided by the internet to discuss men and rape/ sexual assault. specifically, what i'm thinking about is that 1 in 8 women have been raped in their lifetime. that's just reported cases, so probably many more go unreported. i know many girls, including a few of my exgirlfriends who have been raped, but i don't know a single dude who admits to raping a woman. the numbers don't add up.
so where are all of these rapists hiding?

i'm fairly sure that at least one of my friends has raped someone, i don't know who or when, but you have to face the statistics. and when alcohol is involved, oh boy, some of my friends turn into different monsters. i could potentially see some shit going down.

i've never raped a woman, (but i know this will be controversial), but i must admit that i've thought of it in certain ways.... i.e. being naked with a woman, she doesn't want to do it and you do- i must admit that there is a darker part of me that has thought in certain situations about just "putting it in." in other words, i can see how some of this shit happens, and i don't mean that in a way that condones such behavior- exactly the opposite- i see that terrible part in me that exists and know that it must get played out in others who wouldn't be seen as your typical rapist "type."

any thoughts/ stories, etc...

forgive me if this is above our current maturity level. i still hold onto hope for 12oz.

tears.

[~KRYLON2~]

if any of my friends raped anyone i'd beat the fuck out of them

[GI Jew]

help I've fallen and I can't get up.

[cultural me]

Originally posted by ~KRYLON2~
if any of my friends raped anyone i'd beat the fuck out of them

agreed.

[cultural me]

this thread is right above the "girls ass's" thread..huh.

[S@T@N]

Me an' my girl have never truly been the perfect couple.... we have our
fights, we've separated, and all that other shit. Last year though we
broke up soon before the end of the year, and she hapenned to end up at a graduation party. She got a little drunk. Since she was too full of
pride to tell me herself, I pieced together from other people that a few
of the seniors tried to take advantage of her there... one actually got her
clothes off and went down on her before one of her friends heard her
yelling for help and got her out ok. Now, I'm not one to want to start
problems, I hate resorting to violence, and usually I just let things slide..


I have never in my life wanted to kill someone more than I did when
I found out this shit. If you know someone who has done this kind of
shit, kill them. If you yourself have or think you may, kill yourself.

Rape is the most disgusting dispicable thing in existance.

[dahighlifdhl]

I DONT THINK ANYONE WOULD ADMIT THEY RAPED SOMEONE

[TEARZ]

Originally posted by ~KRYLON2~
if any of my friends raped anyone i'd beat the fuck out of them

ok good, but why? i bet you one of your friends has raped someone and you don't know it.
you haven't ever thought about raping a woman?

honestly, i don't believe any man that says they haven't. this is exactly my point- i'm talking about a culture among men where we know they are raping women, but no one is doing it and we can't relate to anyone that has done it. and that's bullshit. it's like racism- nobody is racist right, it's all good, right? :rolleyes:

not busting, just trying to spur some meaningful exchange.

[S@T@N]

You'd be surprised. They wouldn't come out and say rape... but they
may feel guilty and use other words to get it off their chest

[GI Jew]

Just remember boys, rapists get to be on the receiving end when they make it to the big house. Yay!

[GI Jew]

Originally posted by TEARZ
i bet you one of your friends has raped someone and you don't know it.

I'd know it if I did something like that. Girls should equip themselves with "rape kits" that could include:

-mace
-stun gun
-ky liquid
-strap on

that way, they could mace the guy, stun him, undo his pants lube up the strap on, and rape his hairy ass right there on the spot with the stun gun held to the back of his head.

[cultural me]

my friend arrests baby rapers all the time. no joke. shits fucked up.

just goes to show that humans enjoying sex is not a good thing. we drive so much on sexual activity and its just like being mentaly retarded except your fucked up when it comes to sex. why do you think people have fetishs? just a variation and like evolution your bound to get a few mutations. all variation.

[GI Jew]

MASTURBATE

[TEARZ]

Originally posted by S@T@N
Rape is the most disgusting dispicable thing in existance.

i'm with you there.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by S@T@N
If you know someone who has done this kind of
shit, kill them. If you yourself have or think you may, kill yourself.

i guess my attempts to get to the complexity of the issue aren't really working. i agree with you in many ways and understand your rage- i nearly killed a dude for raping a friend of mine and it got me in a lot of trouble. but what i'm getting at is the absolute disgust for this behavior in others, and not seeing it, even a little bit of roots, in ourselves.

[T.T Boy]

fuck it, i dont even know what to say.

anyone who rapes a woman should die. no questions asked. i would feel no remorse about killing a rapist.

[FlamingHobo]

i know quite a few rape victims..gross...people raping people is insane.

[Fugazi]

One reason you may not know of many rapists is because rape isn't often presented right after it happens, making it difficult to impossible to catch a rapist. I had an ex-girlfriend who was raped in 7th grade, but didn't tell anyone till her sophmore year in highschool. It's difficult. Keep in mind that most rapes occur by people who know eachother. I remember researching something like only 10% of rapes occur between individuals who don't know eachother.

[TEARZ]

perhaps a girl thinks you raped her...
perhaps your dad raped somebody in college or hs, but those were different times with different definitions right?
perhaps one of your boys was caught up in a he say/ she say but of course the girl was lying or misunderstood right?

more thoughts from the darkside....

and still nobody knows anyone that has ever done it. the numbers don't add up, i'm sorry.

[THUMB WRESTL]

there is a fine line between rape and willing, i think alot of insecure girls get caught up in the whole "mayeb i should have sex to be cool" type of thing, and then when they do it or almost do it, they panic because they know deep down they really didn't want to in the begginning and then they try to play it off as rape instead of insecurity.

one time, this sort of happened to me, and i was appauled because i would never do such a thing, i hate rapists, and i'd kill a guy if they ever did that to my mom or sister, no questions asked.

however in my situation, me and this one girl, we were in my room and we started getting busy, we were doing the oral thing and everything else but sex pretty much, and we were not going to have sex because she had some corny ass deal with an ex of hers (basically he didn't want her giving it up at college) and anyways, things got heated and out of hand, and i guess she was turned on, and we just started going at it, like i put on my rubber and she jumped on me, and we did it for awhile, and afterwards things seemed find, but later that night when we were talking online, about meeting up at school, she all acted like, not that i raped her, but like i had violated her by making her have sex with me.

which was TOTALLY NOT TRUE! first off, im a pretty shy/nervous type of guy, i hate guys who touch girls when they barely know them or when they aren't their boyfriend, that pisses me off, so whenever i'm with a girl, i always ask if i can do things, touch them, etc, just to make sure they are comfortable..

so i told her that was complete bullshit that i didn't force her into having sex by any means and she knows it, because one, i put a condom on (not a good reason, but she could have ran haha), but then the first position we did was her riding me, i'm not strong or big by anymeans (not referring to my schlong, im saying i didnt beat her and throw her on my shit) meaning, that she climbed on top of me and started riding me.. which i would ifnd hard to believe that i made her do.

but that was my first experience with being forceful with girls and slightly being accused of any type of forceful sex. and believe me, it didnt feel good at all. i was extremely mad that she would even say such a thing to me, knowing i wouldn't do that, and she later apoligized to me, but like i said, that shit felt horrible hearing her say such a thing...

[footsoldier]

my sister was raped when she was in college by a guy she was kinda dating... and i swear to god that if i ever come across the guy i will not hesitate to kill him. this is a serious topic and i understand how complex it is. i also know that if he did it to her he's probably done it to others and ill be doing the world a solid by offing the disgusting fuck.

i havent even thought about this in about a year. makes me think its time to start doing some research.

[THUMB WRESTL]

my sister is also away at college and i told her if some asshole ever tries to violate her or rapes her i better hear about it right away, i told her fuck all that being scared shit i'm gonna handle that mother fucker! that shit gets me heated just thinking about that shit.

and i've thoguht about rape, not really doing it, but just imagining what you'd have to go through to do it, and it disgusts me, i charish women with all i got, and i don't see how someone could sit there and do that to such a beautiful thing while they are kicking and screaming and crying and all that, its pothetic.

i also hate college guys who have to get girls drunk or drug them up to sleep with them. that is weak. i've never been desperate or lonely enough to rape a girl, you can always masturbate, and i hope people who rape goto jail and get ass fucked until they catch colon cancer.

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

i think (hopefully) people on here when discussing anything relatively close to this subject is playing around i have to agree with you rap is one of the most dispicable things to have happen to any person..and any person who actually goes through and does it should be locked up or cut his shit off....

[GI Jew]

TEARZ: This makes me curious as to why you start a thread like this, not just because you want some views on the subject, but did something related happen around you recently?

Despite my silly replies up there, I do strongly oppose rape. That is a sick thing for real. It's a violation of someone's personal bubble (not to be funny about it). Seriously, when a woman let's you have sex with her, it's a "gift" so to speak. When someone rapes someone, that's what I and many others would call stealing. Not to mention the emotional damage done. I've known girls that have been raped. Alot of times they will think they did something wrong, or it's their fault. They always seem to be real timid. My ex was "raped" when she was younger, probably 10 or 11 by an older girl in her neighborhood. The girl told my ex that they were playing doctor and suggested that it was ok to be naked together. I don't know all the specifics but that older girl coaxed my ex into doing something. Needless to say, my ex wasn't a "virgin" when me and her had sex. She was in the sense that I was the first person that she allowed and wanted to have sex with. Other than that, my ex didn't seem like she was screwed up in the head at all. I don't think she'd ever be bi-curious or a lesbian because of that incident though.

Final words: rape is for low lifes, and girls that point the finger and cry wolf about rape are just as bad, although that doesn't occur as much as the actual act of raping does.

[GI Jew]

Originally posted by WhAt_dA_fUcK
i have to agree with you rap is one of the most dispicable things to have happen to any person

Tell em how it is man, rap does suck.

[dahighlifdhl]

THIS IS A SERIOUS SUBJECT
PLEASE DONT MAKE FUN OF HIS MISPELLING

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

Originally posted by diehomokthx



Ban him...Ban him now..

[ToYs]

ok so me and my girl were toghether for 2 months, i took her virginity. when i put it in she cried and said no. i didnt. i was gentle, and i finnished. at the end of it she explained that it hurt REALLY bad and she actually wanted me to stop. i didnt know, she also told me that she tried to push herself away, i didnt know that either. we are still toghether but im still remorsful about that. even though she tells me she is glad i didnt stop and she has no regrets.

also i want to bring it to attention that rape isnt just about sexual needs. in fact most rapists are men who have no problems getting sex. its just that they feel like they are in power and control and the like it. its not a sexual thing for them.

[willy.wonka]

my friends used to rape a lot of girls at my homies house parties..not like one guy rape..it was like 2 girls and 10 guys..straight gangbang style..the thing that tripped most of us out is that more and more girls came to our parties..we were known as rapists, but more and more chicks kept comin..girls from all around town came to get raped.
i never took part in the gangbangs, but it sure looks dirty..with everybody using somebody else's name..not like everybody's name is po'yo.when one person is done he leaves the room and everybody kinda "evily" creeps closer to the bed...

once i came back from bombin and i walked in a dark room.

all my boys were like..."close the door, get down"

i walked into a dirty scene.there were at least 12-14 guys in there.my homie "ratboy" was raw-dog fuckin his girlfriend while she gave head to my homie "j"...he was all hollerin and showin off..
my friend mike came up to me wit ha big smile and was like, "eh yo wonka, come hit this..i knew something was wrong, cause my homie mike never passed up the pussy..then i smelt this really nasty "ass" smell..i turned out the girl was blind..her dad was the owner of a store we stole kegs from and she didnt know how to wipe her ass..
my temtation was broken by reality..
i was never into that shit..i was a playa that brought chicks home..

im serious though..these girls were straight raped, but they kept comin back..very strange.i never understood that.

i never seen that type of rape where the girls are crying trying to fight people off, but i have seen the passed out waking up to some guy stickin his dick in her...

i have no troubles thinking about it..i just think of it as odd

shit, i was raped before.

[GI Jew]

hahaha ban me. You guys are some mooks.

[THUMB WRESTL]

WONKA-

that's some pretty disturbing shit to know that you knew about that shit and didn't say anything or just kind of ignored it, those are some shady cats your friends are.

[dahighlifdhl]

THAT IS SOME FUCKED UP SHIT

[willy.wonka]

we were all in the same gang..nothing to be said..i didnt feel guilty.
back then i really didnt give a fuck.they always came back for more..so really..i just thought of it as strange.basically there were girls that didnt want to get raped and girls that did, no matter how stupid that sounds..its true.

girls that didnt want to get raped..didnt drink...-bad joke.

[dahighlifdhl]

IT DOES SOUND STUPID
BUT IT ALSO MAKES SENSE

[GI Jew]

if those girls didn't want that, they wouldn't have showed back up and gotten drunk around all those SAME guys. Girls tell eachother EVERYTHING... it was no mystery... the girls went back on PURPOSE!!!!

[willy.wonka]

maybe they didnt want to be the only ones getting gangbanged/raped by a bunch of ganbangers..

[socrates]

About 2 years ago I went to a party just outside of SF in some pretty nice area. I'd come with 3 of my friends and there were like 100 kids there and We knew 1...after like 30 minutes of "light" drinking and mingling this kid came up on us and started pointing out girls that he'd got with..I didn't really care and neither did the friend I was standing with so we walked away from him...he came back like 10 minutes later and said "wanna see how I got all those girls", I said I didn't care but he reached in his pocket and brought out a handfull of little white pills(ruffies). Before that dumb kid had a chance to close his hand I hit him, my friend grabbed him and slammed him on the concrete...we eventually drug him out into the midddle of the street and and continued to beat his ass long after he started bleeding. then the cops showed up and we never even flinched I sat in the back of the car and felt zero remorse, I went to the station spent the night in lock-up but the best part was the arresting officer found out about what really happened and wrote in his report that my friend was attacked and I was only hitting him in self defense, As I left I saw the cop as I was geting released and he grabbed my arm and said I did what he wanted to do but couldn't..........all in all you violate a girl whether I know her or you I will physicially and mentally fuck with you, so help me god until you kill yourself.

[socrates]

I don't understand why guys let there friends get away with that type of shit...It doesn't matter if you force her, give her drugs , or fuck her when she passed out. it's wrong same thing goes for hitting a girl no matter what you're bigger and stronger, it's genetics...basiclially don't do dumb shit cause karma's a bitch

[deznatori]

Socrates comin through.

I've done a lot of things in my life. Moral and immoral. I can steal from stores or someone I don't know. I can beat someone into a coma. Stab, Shoot, beat with any available object. But rape is one thing I could never do. It is the lowest form of crime. Rapist should be impaled rectally. I had a girlfriend who was raped before I met her. She was crazy mentally. It ruined her entire view of people. Trust was almost non existant with her. To this day if I ever see the man who did it I would kill him. Cruel and Unusual Punishment laws should be lifted for the crime of rape. I'm not talking the contravesial he might not have done it, She just made it up kinda rape. I mean the straight up, your caught bloody dicked rape. Rapist should have their genitals severed off. Cut off the dick flush with the skin. Not turn it into a vagina. just leave enough of a hole to piss. No scrotum or balls.

[socrates]

RAPE= murder of a girls mind

[GI Jew]

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[TEARZ]

Originally posted by diehomokthx
TEARZ: This makes me curious as to why you start a thread like this, not just because you want some views on the subject, but did something related happen around you recently?

actually no. i started this thread for a few reasons....

1. i started thinking about the internet and the aspect of its anonymity- it is only partly the case in 12oz, but, how could this be harnessed to talk about a real subject in ways that move outside of "the norm." things that people think but wouldn't say face to face, things that people know that are afraid to say... rape came up as a topic because it got me thinking about how i don't know anyone that has admitted to raping someone. it reminded me of this speaker when i was back in school- in a room of about 300, she asked, 'how many of you know a woman that has been raped personally?' all the hands went up. then she asked, 'how many of you know a rapist?' and no hands went up. fucked up. i thought that the internet would take away some of that fear of "raising one's hand."

2. i think fucked up thoughts every day- racist, sexist, whatever... i believe that all of you do too, whether you choose to admit it or acknowledge them or not is a different issue. for better or for worse, instead of choosing to suppress these thoughts, i choose to analyze them (most of them)in attempt to know myself better and understand the forces that are acting upon me. ultimately in attempt to improve myself, and deprogram some of the cultural damage that has been done to me growing up in america. at least that's the hope. some days it feels like a pandora's box. i believe analysis is a better approach than suppression or pretending such thoughts never went through your head. maybe not.

3. based on steps one and two, i hoped to widen the discussion on how men can talk about rape in a non-threatening environment- not to exclude women, just 12oz is mostly boys. to me, on the subject of rape, the discourse is so disjointed from reality that it's alarming. no offense to previous posters but "i'd beat the fuck outta any rapist" is a common response and well trodden ground- it doesn't highlight any of the ambiguity and complexity of rape cases and furthermore, i don't think that they're completely honest- so all of you that reply this way insist that the thought has never run through your head, ever, even in one sick flash, even when drunk? some of the other posts are much more telling. how the fuck are you gonna talk to one of your boys about rape or appropriate/inappropriate behavior, or your son, or teach little kids, if you can never identify with the rapist? it's bullshit and suppression pure and simple. media and gender roles and all this other fucked up shit give kids really conflicting messages about sexuality and i'm sorry but suppression isn't the technique for dealing with stopping men from raping women. that's my point i guess.

i know this thread seems dark- it's not my intention to depress... i guess i'm stirring the pot a little. i just want people to think and be honest. it's a sickness in the world and this is my little pathetic attempt to face it if even for a brief second and wanted to extend the invitation to others. thanks to you all for taking it seriously.

[socrates]

I give you props for trying....sometimes though it gets fucked up by a 12 year old

[GI Jew]

I understand where you're coming from man. I've never actually in my mind thought "I'd RAPE that girl." It's always, "I'd hit it," or something like that. Rape is just so bad of a thing, it's violating to ME as a person to think of myself commiting an act such as rape. I wouldn't do it for the world.

[chicken bone]

I don't know any rapists but I've had two girlfriends that were victims of rape. If statistically 1 out of every 8 girls have been raped, so that means the number is probably closer to 1 in every 4 girls.

After the rape the girl goes through some shock only to come down with a feeling of ultimate disgustingness. They feel so dirty, gross, and ashamed that they can't take it anymore, and they usually end up blaming themselves for what happened, saying that they deserved it and that it happened to them because they are 'bad'. There is probably no other output for their rage and helplessness, so they take it out on themselves. They are too ashamed or upset to tell anyone and they go to bed every nite wishihng for it all to just end. I remember an ex telling me she used to sit on top of her two story house... Wanting to jump landing on her head (from a pretty short house) so she could die as long and as painful as possible.

The girl usually never tells anyone about it until 1 to however many years later. Its so depressing. The same ex never really did 'lose' her virginity, someone really did 'take' it. In the back of her 'friends' car while he was driving her home, she fell asleep and he stopped the car in the middle of nowhere, telling her he wanted to sleep for a little bit. Since they were friends and she was already half asleep she didnt think anything of it, and he went into the back seat and raped her, drove her home and left her on the street in front of her house in the rain.

The other girl told me she took a shower for 5 hours after she was raped... She also had recurring reinactments of the rape happening everytime she fell asleep alone. The other girl had these too, but developed 'lucid dreaming' (controlling your dreams) to cope with it. Both girls tried to commit suicide but failed. I also think the other girl developed a slight schizophrenia.

There is absolutly no excuse for rape, and I promised myself if I ever came across either of the guys that raped these girls, I would kill them on the spot. I hope that I would not hesitate to prevent or stop a guy from raping a girl, whether I knew her or not.

Thanks for starting this thread though.. Everyone should read it. I just got finished talking to my girlfriend now, and I'm making her buy mace or pepper spray first chance she gets. I think every girl should carry this in her purse or as a keychain or something on her wallet.

Other girls who have been raped resort to lots of promiscuity, and having sex with a lot of different people helps dull down the memory of being raped, and the feeling of being forced.

[chicken bone]

The bad thing about the promiscuity that some girls that have been raped tend to lean to, ends up with them being labled as a 'whore' or a 'hoochie', 'hoe', wahtever, which I have found to be such a sad irony... I've had to deal with a lot of things being in these relationships (it was actually my last two girlfriends in a row), and sometimes I can taste maybe a little bit of the helplesness that they must feel (seeing as though I can do absolutely nothing to change the past, and the rapist is long gone). Its an awful thing, and it is truly frustrating, especially when it happens to someone you're in love with...

My current girlfriend has almost been raped twice, and ill do anything to ever prevent it from ever happening.

*So think before calling a girl a 'hoe' or a 'slut' because it can really ruin her life if her reputation is fucked up. Usually once a girl gets called a slut rumours fly and the next thing you know she is labeled as some little whore. Think about that next time you decide to talk shit about a girl, unless its directly yyour business (like its ok to talk shit about a girl if your a nice guy and she cheats on you, or you could stop wasting your time and go for other fish). If that doenst make sense then I'm sorry. I hate how people gossip, rumours fly, and shit talking overflows.

[TEARZ]

i'm trying to avoid distancing myself from it or letting others distance themselves from it, because i feel it's a problem more pervasive than we want to believe...

i too have never thought, "i wanna rape that girl." but, i have thought, "i wonder what would happen if i put it in right now." there's absolutely a difference, yes. but did i wanna put it in? yes. that would be rape- in some sense i thought about raping that girl i guess. what if i were drunk or impaired or somehow that reflex saying "don't do that" were not there?
i guess i'm trying to highlight how close normal guys are to rapists and how some "normal guys" got to be rapists. i don't see it so much as personal as i see it larger- cultural, societal, whatever... this does not apply, and my feelings of relation do not extend to those who prey on little kids and give girls roofies and shit like that- i'm talking more about date rape, which is the largest type of rape. i honestly can't relate to that other shit at all no matter how much i try.

[podrido]

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[TEARZ]

chicken bone, dope post.
i too have dealt with girls with emotional and behavioral issues as a result of being raped. the shit is truly fucked up. one of the girls i dated, and who i was in love with, had incredible problems trusting men and didn't like having sex. it was a difficult road with her and still makes me sad thinking about the whole thing. :(

[chicken bone]

Under the pressures of horniness or alcohol or whatever, it can be very tempted to want to have sex with a girl if you guys are getting down to it, but until she wants it, (puts it in her) or tells you she wants sex, you cant put your dick in her.

Just ask her. "Do you want to have sex?". If she says yes then OK, if she says no, then maybe shes not horny, or shes not ready, or she wants to oral first, or whatever... You will find out, but until she says yes or is on top of you or telling you she wants sex, you really shouldnt (unless you guys are bf, gf, and you've had sex together before and you are comfortable just 'putting it in').

One night me and this girl (my current girlfriend now) were getting down to it and it was the first time we hooked up so I was all into it and I just asked her "Do you wanna have sex?". She seemed kinda iffy and said she didnt want to miss the opportunity in case we didnt have another chance, but at the same time she didnt want to give it up in one night.

Well anyways (this is kind of funny) she is really inexperienced and I had a REALLY hard time 'getting it in'. She was really tight down there so it wouldnt go in, and it kept flopping out and stuff and I kept laughing because it was so frustrating and I was getting embarrassed (she had a straight face the whole time, and asked me at one point "why are you laughing?" (which made me more embarrassed))... So since I was getting all shy my dick kept going limp, so I had to (or she had to) get it hard again, then it wouldnt fit, then it would go limp, then get it hard, then it wont fit, then go limp, all the while I'm blushing like a little school girl and she probably thinking "Ahh I cant even get him hard, or maybe he's impotent!". This goes on for a FULL hour until finally it gets in... And FIVE minutes later she is like "Can you stop? I dont feel too comfortable doing this at this time in the relationship" (or something to that extent). And so I stopped. I was so horny and frustrated, but I stopped, and we ended up cuddling and falling asleep. The p oint being, no matter what, No means NO and you need to respect that.

She told me later that she was also really nervous, and that it was hurting her a lot (having sex that is). She is more experienced NOW though, hehe ;)

[GI Jew]

I vote this the thread with the largest number of long replies.

[chicken bone]

Hey babypuncher good post, and you know either your girlfriend is just really freaky, OR (which is what I'm guessing) she was abused somewhat in the past, and you doing it to her serves as a reinactment to what happened (thus deadening, erasing the pain and dirtiness of it). Maybe she feels that you will make it feel 'OK' for her. I'm not sure, and I could be totally wrong, but I think its up to you to take it up for yourself and find out whats going on in her head...

[Poop Man Bob]

Best thread in a while. It was interesting reading what others had to say. I really don't have much to add, seeing as though I don't know anyone that's been raped. Well, I'm sure I do, but I'm not aware of them being raped ... ugh.

I can share the emotions of BabyPuncher and others only in imagining what it would be like if my sister or girlfriend were raped. Horrible.

The small difference in strength and weight that men have in comparison to women can do fucked up things to the world.

[socrates]

What would you do if it was your best friend who raped a girl...what would you do....my first reaction would be violence but I think i'd still at somepoint want to talk to them about it and just ask WHY

[KaBar]

I've known several girls and women that have been raped, over the years. It has nothing to do with sex, it's all about violence and domination of another person. Men get raped too. The prison rape thing is just the tip of the iceberg, men and boys get raped right out here in society, but almost nobody is willing to admit it.

I knew a young 17-year-old guy that got raped at knifepoint by a black guy he met who offered him some drugs. They smoked a joint on the street and the guy seemed cool, so when he asked the kid "Come on up to my apartment, I got more," the kid went. When they got up there, the guy locked the door (a double-key dead bolt---requires a key on the inside to get out) and pulled a knife. He asked the kid, "What do you want to be--the mama or the papa?" The kid was scared shitless, and said "Neither." The guy jumped on him, put the knife to his throat, pulled down his surf trunks and fucked him in the ass.

When he got back to our house, he was a mess. The guy beat him up pretty good, and he had several superficial knife cuts on his neck.

My buddy G____, who was a Communist, wanted to go waste the guy immediately, but I said "No fucking way." I packed my shit, took my girl and left immediately, hitch hiking north. G____ and his revolutionary buddies could do whatever they wanted, but I was not participating in a pre-meditated murder to revenge the rape of some 17-year-old who was so lame ass that he would get into that situation to start with, and who wouldn't last ten seconds if interrogated by the cops.

I could just see it---the kid would get Youthful Offenders' Camp and the rest of us would wind up on Death Row or in Soledad. FUCK THAT.

I never asked them what they intended to do. I never saw any of them again. If they lit the guy up, I don't want to know about it.

That was in 1972. My girlfriend has since been murdered (in 1989, in Houston,) by her landlord's ex-convict son, stabbed five times in the back, and raped as she bled to death in the hallway of her garage apartment.

You are on your fucking own. Don't you believe for a second that the cops are protecting you. They aren't.

[bodice_ripper]

Well, i was going to sign on under an anonymous screen name, but i think it would be pretty clear it was me anyway. And i also believe that my being in Ireland at the time was an important factor in what happened....


i got my first boyfriend when I was 14, and I was MUCH too young emotionally. I was overwieght and had terrible self esteem, and I felt as if i was in debt to him for even being wih me. I was with him for just under 3 years, during this time he hit me a few times - nothing spectacular. I did everything *but* have sex with him - I developed this obsessive little part of my mind where I just kept repeating to myself that I "wouldn't let him have it".
One day I was drinking and smoking hash with him and some friends in the forest near my house. I got really sick and lay down, fading in and out of conciousness. I vaguely heard him saying something to the effect of "I'll make you feel better.". Everyone was gone suddenly, and I felt a rip which was my underwear being snapped and he tried to force himself inside me. i screamed and he freaked out - bashed my head against a tree. I ran off and climbed a tree.

No one ever said anything about it - he just passed the whole thing off as "she gets really slutty when she drinks...". To be honest, I don't know how far he got into me - I did need stitches in that area from a stick that was accidentally ground into me

We broke up some months later, I still talk to him some times. It's quite clear that's he's not ok mentally - special schooling etc, his father beats him etc... His life has been much harder than mine. Someone should be helping him. I call what happened assault, not rape




I always feel that people treat rape-victims completely wrongly. All they EVER hear is how their life is ruined, how fucked up they will be emotionally from now on. How is this helping? I understand that much worse things than what happened to me occur, but still the focus should be on dealing with it and moving on. I'll admit i'm still uncomfortable around drunk men.




so anyway, please don't give me shit about this ^^^^^^ post, I will simply leave. and I also don't want to hear about how this made me a lesbian, I was bi then, I am bi now. I'd be more than happy to discuss that in a different thread........................

[WhAt_dA_fUcK]

<- no shit at all to give:( ........

[Rectum]

there are many degrees of rape ........some more understandable then others

[GI Jew]

That sucks Bodice, I'm really sorry, even though it's not my place to apologize. No girl/guy deserves that. A person that'd do that to someone has many issues themselves on the inside, I can only imagine.

I have a story now. Let's see... I'm 20 years old now, so this must have been about 7 or 8 years ago. I lived in San Antonio at the time. I had about 3 friends that I used to ride bikes with alot, we were 7th or 8th graders. Anyway, we knew some older kids that rode bikes too. They were better than us we kinda tagged along with them cause they were cool or whatever. One of the older guys lived right next to me in this apartment complex. So after some time I began chilling at his house, and so did the group of friends we were all familiar with the place. We found out later that the guy that he stayed with wasn't really his dad and was a vietnam war vet that had "adopted" our older buddy. I think the older buddy of ours, we'll call him Don from here on, had problems with his family so he got kicked out or whatever and lived with this vietnam vet guy. Then, little by little, stories began getting passed around about how this vet guy was weird and he'd done things to these older friends of ours. Me and my friends didn't think much of it.

As time passed my friends and I spent more and more time over there, the vet guy would buy us gifts and stuff. He was TOO nice. He was a pervert, he touched my friends. I knew that he did, but for some reason I never told anyone, I don't know why. I don't know what else he did to them, they'd spend the night over there, and so would I. But I always slept in the back room. We spent alot of time over there. The vet guy had this wooden model boat. I remember asking him about it and he said he'd made it in prison. It's funny because nobody ever asked him why he was in prison. We also knew that he had a kid of his own. But we never saw his kid, and not much was ever said about him. Well, after this went on for a while, my friend Adam told his mom, whom I was also good friends with, what had been going on. He told her that the guy had been touching him and his friends and he knew it was wrong.

Adam's mom got the police involved. The vet, Charles, had a prestigious job at a local electronics plant. One day while Charles was at work, giving a big speech to a group of people at work, the agents came in right up to the podium and took him away. He went to prison and killed himself a week later by putting a plastic bag over his head and rolling off his bunk to knock himself out. It all happened so blindlingly quick from the time that Adam had told his mom till the time that this "man" that we knew killed himself.

I'm a fucked up person from being around that shit, Charles never touched me, he always told me I was too "paranoid". I can only imagine where and what my old friends are doing today. I hope that by him doing what he did to them it doesn't perpetuate that kind of behavior.

[Rectum]

cops are useless this femasle friend of mine's mum works at a childcare centre in jersey and theres this guy who parks his van in front of the centre on occasion and masturbates ........the police were informed but apparently the guy isnt in breach of any laws so nothing can be done....well noithing lawful that is............also i know a cuple of girls who have benn molested both by people close to them when they were young.....one took it well and is pretty normal...she didnt even have trouble telling me he licked her out during time where he was minding her...the other is pretty wierd and despite her being almost twenty now she has never even told her parents........the guy could still be teaching gymnastics for all anyone knows.......also my sisters boyfriend was molested by a prominent political figure when he was young who was the father of one of his friends ......he is 35 now and never told any family so the guy is still around .........i also know of a girl bout 15 who got raped by two guys at her school ....she told her gay dad who didnt care........and continues going to that school.......what im trying to say is that these poeple are constantly getting away with because kids usually find it less painful to just block it out

[banjo bob]

this thread has definitely made me think about a few things. i agree rape is a most despicable act, the thought of raping someone makes me feel ill.

one thing i found quite interesting in reading all of the responses is that it seems as though the act of rape itself is not what people find so horrible, rather, a man raping a woman. i think i remember someone saying something to the effect of "rapists should get raped," and the idea of men being raped even seems to be the source of some humor. not to say that this isn't somewhat understandable; a big part of the issue of a man raping a woman is in the fact that men, in general, are more powerful than women. maybe this difference in treatment is due to the fact that with a man raping a woman, it's as though the man is deciding he is going to use this strength advantage in such a way as to exploit the woman's weakness. with a man raping another man the issue of a difference in physical strength or power seems to be less exagerated.

kabaar mentioned a case in which a guy raped another guy at knifepoint. i'm not sure if the fact that it was at knifepoint was a crucial issue but it seems like it may have been, as it was probably a way of increasing the power difference to the point where one party was helpless and the other party had complete control.
i'm surprised more people haven't talked about issues like all the priests who have been accused and possibly convicted of molestation. it seems to conform to the situation in which one person has much more power/control over the other.

as far as tearz's raising the issue of thinking about rape from the male perspective, that is, someone who has the power to rape someone else, i don't think i could do that. it seems so completely foul, to think that one person could violate another like that. granted speaking in hypotheticals inevitably distances one from the subject. i know this is going to sound kind of gross, it's not a nice thing to think about, but.. try to imagine it from the perspective of the person 'you would be raping,' it does a lot to 'humanize' the issue and make it...i guess closer to home or something.

i know this is gonna sound kinda played out and cliche/lame but i do think that to some extent things like porno do affect social consciousness.. i'm not gonna go the "it's degrading to women" route, rather i think it probably fucks with men just as much if not more so.. saying or thinking things like "i'd hit it" imply a lack of...something..maybe it's respect, maybe it's empathy or compassion.. but in any event it leads to a situation in which a man or men in general are less likely to think about sexuality as a mutual thing between two people, and more likely to think about it in terms of his/their own needs being met. i guess i kinda am taking the 'porn objectifies women' approach, though i'm not saying i'm above it.. i think the whole thing is a really tricky issue, with a lot of fine lines.

kabaar was right on saying that rape has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with domination over another person.

ugh i've said way too much now.. but i have to say this is one of the most interesting threads i've seen in a long time.

[GI Jew]

Agreed, good writings. I would never violate another. And I am one to think of sex as a mutual thing.

[willy.wonka]

check this out..like i said..we were the hardest gang in our area...we were running shit in the east bay of cali and we really didnt give a fuck.i grew up in a fucked up nieghborhood..what can i say.."we didnt have a fuckin computer back then"..i moved back to hawaii and thats when my eyes were opened, so fuck off with your "your a buster for not stoppin them" bullshit.back then i didint care for myself let alone some dumb bitches getting raped.
i wasnt going by the name "crazy-8" for nothin..i didnt care for you or myself.so really..willy wonks gota past.dont bring that shit into my future..

all those guys were the best friends that i had ever known..so fuck off suburbia..you dont really know what its like to be me, so dont judge.

i was just postin a situation that i was in..dont think that if i were able to go back and change things..that i wouldnt.

really, i still dont care for those girls...just you poor little fags need to realize some shit.

nothin like a party of about 45 dudes and a couple of girls getting raped..what are you gonna do?

back to if i could change things.........you little faggots..what you want me to lie to make things better?girls get rapped everyday, dont make me the enemy...all my boy knew how i felt about that shit.i wasnt takin drunk girls to my house just to get laid..these girls knew and trusted me.so fuck off.

cause really, you have no idea.

[willy.wonka]

im filled with hate when i hear of girls getting raped these days...you guys really did piss me off this time..fuck you!
for all you girls that have experiences with rape..im terribly sorry..im only sorry cause i wish i coulda been there to do something.
my life changes every day..experience and bad situations make that change...at least i dint rape them.who knows..i probably woulda ended up in jail or become a crime lords just like the rest of my boys..but no, i took a different route.

life changes..which way are you gonna go?fuckin bitch-ass mutha fuckas..these are th4e times i wish that i could reach on over and strangle your ass for sayin some bullshit like that.act like youre the bigger man.fuck off!

place yourself in my shoes..i guess i really do feel the regret.my regret fills me with hate.but the past is the past.

[sneak]

this thread has made me think completely about this type of stuff.

first i must say to socrates....i would have done exactly the same thing as you when u beat that guy down. no lies thats what i would have done,

willy: thats some grimey parties u went to

chicken bone: nice post

kabar - just how many stories do you have about life?

[chicken bone]

That story is crazy Kabar. About your girlfriend who was raped and murdered... Were you still dating her when she was murdered? As for the guy who got raped, well that happens and its just as bad as any rape, I just dont have any first hand experience on any man on man rape. ONe of the ex's I had who got raped knew a guy who got raped. He only told her, and yet she was too ashamed to tell him she was raped too (not by the same person, for your information). He wanted to kill himself and he probably ended up doing so.

Depressing times. I really need to get my girl some mace. Dunno where to find it in this country though...

[imported_Europe]

A thread that makes you think.
Thank you.
I have nothing to add right now.

[TEARZ]

Originally posted by banjo bob
one thing i found quite interesting in reading all of the responses is that it seems as though the act of rape itself is not what people find so horrible, rather, a man raping a woman. i think i remember someone saying something to the effect of "rapists should get raped," and the idea of men being raped even seems to be the source of some humor. not to say that this isn't somewhat understandable; a big part of the issue of a man raping a woman is in the fact that men, in general, are more powerful than women. maybe this difference in treatment is due to the fact that with a man raping a woman, it's as though the man is deciding he is going to use this strength advantage in such a way as to exploit the woman's weakness. with a man raping another man the issue of a difference in physical strength or power seems to be less exagerated.

kabaar mentioned a case in which a guy raped another guy at knifepoint. i'm not sure if the fact that it was at knifepoint was a crucial issue but it seems like it may have been, as it was probably a way of increasing the power difference to the point where one party was helpless and the other party had complete control.
i'm surprised more people haven't talked about issues like all the priests who have been accused and possibly convicted of molestation. it seems to conform to the situation in which one person has much more power/control over the other.

as far as tearz's raising the issue of thinking about rape from the male perspective, that is, someone who has the power to rape someone else, i don't think i could do that. it seems so completely foul, to think that one person could violate another like that. granted speaking in hypotheticals inevitably distances one from the subject. i know this is going to sound kind of gross, it's not a nice thing to think about, but.. try to imagine it from the perspective of the person 'you would be raping,' it does a lot to 'humanize' the issue and make it...i guess closer to home or something.

great post. i want to talk about the stuff above, but or now i have to run so i'll just address the latter part- the rapee is in most cases humanized- you often hear the macho man say "think if that were your sister." (not to minimize this at all) the rapist is never humanized, so nobody can ever relate to him...causing a man to push himself away from, or not see any of those potentially toxic shared attributes between himself and a rapist. that's my point, everybody is against rape right? just like everybody is against racism. but people still get raped, and at a high rate. and no one here can relate.

[banjo bob]

i'm beginning to understand what you mean, and i feel like i started to say something about it in my last post, but not in depth. i think one 'reason' (not justification though) someone might be able to stand raping another person comes from a desensitized view of sexuality as a mutual thing.

the reason i mentioned porn is because a lot of guys have responses to it that suggest a sort of lack of empathy or feeling for the women involved. i've heard of guys saying they like to watch porn but would never want to do any of the things they see with someone they care about. what i take from this is that watching a random girl have sex (or seeing something similar) provokes no response on an emotional level because there is no emotional connection. if there is no emotional connection then it is inevitable that there will be less (if not no) respect involved.

i guess what i'm saying is that men are exposed to lots of representations of women that lack any kind of empathic facet.. i think that a consequence of this is that men tend to regard women in general (at least those they don't know) as objects of sorts. when you see a porno there's no attempt made at depicting the women as people with lives, fears, interests, goals, etc.. basically all that stuff that makes you empathize with someone and regard them as human.

of course what i'm saying is a huge generalization, and i'm not sure how coherent it is, but it's kind of an attempt to understand how a seemingly 'normal' person might be capable of something so horrible.

ahhhh i can't really think right now.. all-nighters and term papers make me tired.. i'll try to expand on this later though.

[!@#$%]

i wish i had the time to read through all of this, but unfortunately i do not right now..

i will add to the discussion that the majority of female sex workers (even in the u.s.) have been the victims of sexual assaults at some point(s) in their lives

i know several women who have been rape victims, most of them went on to become strippers and/or prostitutes.

[grandmaster]

I was once sitting on a bus with all my friends,when a very close mate mate of mine got a phone call from his girlfriend,saying that she had been attacked in the street by a guy who tried to rape her.He[the peice of shit] had her down on the ground,when supposedly a man heard her screams and came to the rescue.She is a lovely girl and the thought of anything bad happening made me stunned.

Rape is the most awful thing you can do!

[SukiSukiNow]

Rape/date rape is more common than people, particularly men really realize. True, women ar ashamed and embarassed to report it or tell anyone about it. Too many women are made out to think it was their fault, they deserve it, or that they asked for it. My first actual sexual experience was more of a date rape than anything and I kept that a secret for years, but fuck that! If I ever see him he's in for it one way or another. I keep hearing rumors, that this asshole I went out with raped a girl and it just makes me sick to my stomache. If anyone ever hurt my sister or mom I will seriously kill!

[GI Jew]

Rape is far worse than etch. It makes you ten times more of an asshole, NEVER do it. And if you think about doing it, put yourself in the person's shoes that you would be doing it to. Think about if someone you didn't want to overpowered you and had their way... you wouldn't like it.

[Ken E. Bus]

This is a great post. It's nice to see people talking about a serious topic and not really resorting to juvenile remarks.

Regarding the guy above who's girlfriend is into rough sex and "rape" role play. You should talk to your girl to see if there is a problem in the background, but there may be another explanation. From how you described her my guess would be that she grew up in a conservative environment with a good dose of religion thrown in. Many times girls that are taught that sex is dirty or bad look for coping mechanisms to deal with their desires. In other words, girl gets horny and the hormones are flowing, she wants to have sex right...but she has been taught that this is bad and she should not feel this way...if the sex is rough and like a "rape" she can enjoy the act without the guilt because it isn't her that's being bad, she was forced. Does that make any sense?

[railroadjerk]

this guy is the type id really like to punch in the face, read his points about whats going to happen to him...

Student drugged with GHB
Defendent accused of attempted rape, date-rape druggings

By Michelle Burhenn
Kansan staff writer

A University of Kansas student charged with drugging three students and attempting to rape one of them told **** County District Court Judge Peggy Kittel that he understood his charges.

“I´m a teacher — that´s my life,” Michael D. Carpenter, **** sophomore, told Kittel as she set his bond Friday. “I know that this looks bad on paper.”

Carpenter, a 21-year-old coach and paraprofessional for **** Public Schools, was charged with attempted rape, slipping gamma hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) to three female students, possession of the drug and possession of drug paraphernalia.

Carpenter, who lives at 800 Murrow Court, appeared in court via teleconference from **** County Jail. As Kittel read his charges, he repeated the maximum penalty three times.

Carpenter said he was trying to comprehend the charges and possible penalties.

Attempted rape carries a maximum penalty of 247 months — more than 20 years — in a state penitentiary. Kittel set his bond at $25,000. He was released after posting bond late Friday.

Two charges of reckless aggravated battery were dropped Friday because the affidavit did not include that two of the girls were injured in a car accident after they were drugged Thursday. Assistant District Attorney Brad Burke said he expected to refile those charges today at Carpenter´s preliminary hearing.

Police were dispatched to **** Memorial Hospital after one of the three women tested positive for the date-rape drug while being treated after an injury accident.

The women told police that they thought they had been drugged sometime between 2 and 3 a.m. Thursday, and a man at a Lawrence residence tried to rape one of the women. Police were still waiting for the other two tests results Friday, said Sgt. Mike Pattrick of the Lawrence Police Department.

Lawrence police arrested Carpenter Thursday as he was leaving his residence. Police found liquid forms of GHB in Carpenter´s vehicle.

GHB, which is typically known as the date-rape drug, comes in both a liquid and a powder form, said Cathy Thrasher, pharmacist at Watkins Memorial Health Center. The drug is commonly slipped into alcohol because the victim often becomes incapable of resisting sexual advances. Mixing GHB with alcohol also increases its effects.

“It works just like alcohol,” Thrasher said. “It´s hard for them to know what´s going on.”

[»GLÅM¬RÖCK«]

yes.. IOKS has a late abortion for rape victims.. up to the 150th trimester.

[merry]

men...... I was raped, somewhat... and the guy who did it was 'nice' enough to get angry and want to kill some guy who accidently punched me in the face yet he 'cared' about me enough to rape me... when his friends asked him about it he didnt admit to it of course because " look... im nice enough to kick that guys ass who punched her, why would i rape her?? " aaaaaaaaaaasshole.

[BROWNer]

man oh man.
crazy topic bro.
off the bat, i don't personally know of anyone who
has been raped *but* my younger sister was sexually
assaulted on 2 separate occasions.
i don't know of any people that i'm
regularly aquainted with that rape. i'm beyond all doubts
that any of my inner circle of homies have behaved less
than perfect gentlemen when it comes to the ladies.
we've all had our collective experiences in formative years
and talked about them at length together and one-on-one.
that said, we are all well aware of our 'potential' if you
want to call it that. some of my boys and i have regular
chats about our girls, ourselves, and all the hot women we
encounter daily. i have spent some time mulling over the bizarre world
of male sexuality, in general, and my own sexuality.
i also want to say that i have not personally envisioned, or fantasized ever about raping a women. i HAVE fantasized about MANY other fucked up sexual things with females, but in them, the female is ALWAYS down and a willing participant.
i have some other thoughts, but i'm not so sure they are in line with
rape..more on the weird sexual biology of men than the total power dynamic of rape.
i think it would be good if not only men were being honest on this topic and
on sex in general, but also women. if any of you have ever tried to explain male
sexuality to your girl in depth...shit can get hectic.

[railroadjerk]

when i was younger i had a music teacher who was a super cool dude, and beyond some old lady music teacher type shit i became friends with him and his wife. he was still in college so i could relate to them more. he suggested to me when i was looking to get a new instrument to go to a store where his sister worked in a nearby city and while shopping there for a violin i realized how cool his sister was too. she was funny, played the violin amazingly, bright and cute with a lot of potential. id say she was probably 19 or 20 at the time.

months after that we heard from friends that she stopped working at the music shop and started working at a local wal mart. apparently her boss grabbed her and took her into the back and raped her. after that, she was obviously extremely traumatized and broken. she'll probably never live up to all the potential she had. on top of that, her whole family was devastated and my music teacher cancelled all lessons and i havent heard from him or his wife since.

when i heard about it i couldnt believe how shitty of a person this guy was, even though i wasnt directly connected to her family i really wanted to kick this guys ass for what he did.

[socrates]

The only girl that I knew personally that was raped, ended up going through about a year of extreme emtional pain and eventually ended up killing hersaelf because she said she couldn't handle living wiith the memories and the pain of it. It was blamed on a drug habit but that habit was never started until after she was raped.

[willy.wonka]

i used to fuck around with this girl that wished she would get raped..she was a tall beaut from boston.her fantacy is some guys pulling her into hte woods and raping her.

[railroadjerk]

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[fr8oholic]

i know two girls who've been raped. one was an ex girlfriend and the other was more of a family friend. it's really had a big effect on both their psyche and emotional well being.

[imported_Tesseract]

damn, this thread is kind of a shock...most of you people know girls that have been raped...is the ratio of rapes that big in the states? and asking a question that may have me look like an ass, but what exaclty do you mean by rape? dont get me wrong but i'm sometimes sceptical over how americans view things...take sexual harasment for example before the mass hysteria i doubt any girl would sue a man at work just for looking at her ass or making a ,bad, but harmless joke...to return to rape, my definiton of rape is when a girl is assaulted on the street, elevator, wherever and she's being fucked violently maybe beaten aswell...another thing is when a girl is drunk and out of control and she stupidly follows a guy somewhere does a few tricks and then without her will gets fucked just because things went to far....i only mentioned two examples and its getting complicated....dont get me wrong, i cant stand sexual crime at all and whenever i though about that i found my self willing to kill, something i wouldnt do in many cases. Still there are issues about rape that include BOTH parties..willy's story is disgusting but theres some truth in the fact that some girls come back to get raped...i dunno under a biggest spectrum rape sometimes seem as the exploitation of someones stupidness or insecurities...being humiliated in general...i dont know personally no girl that has been raped but i'm sure i know a dozen of girls that fucked someone without wanting it, just to be cool or out of extreme lack of personal voice....this is sad but not exaclty 'rape'

[SteveAustin]

I witnessed a situation (via a video tape) that was pretty fucked up. I don't know if you would qualify it as a rape or not. I saw the video tape a week after it happened.

Here's the situation:

One of my college friends had a bachelor party. They hired a couple of strippers. Everybody was having a good time and getting really fucked up, including the strippers. After the strippers were done, one of them had to leave for her next gig. The other decided to stay and party.

In order to make a long story short, the bachelor ended up in a back room with her and was messing around with her. At some point in time one of the guys rolled in with the video camera and started taping. The stripper was pretty fucked up, but she seemed down with what she was doing. One thing led to another and he started fucking her.

While he was fucking her, another guy whipped his dick out and literally dropped it on her face. So, she started giving head to him while the other guy was still fucking her. This guy was saying all kinds of fucked up shit to her. When the bachelor finished up, another guy jumped in and started fucking her. This girl never said no....stop, but she was pretty fucked up and I don't know exactly how "with it" she was. All in all, I'd say maybe 5 or 6 guys ended up fucking her. Some of these guys were literally lined up, waiting. On top of this, one guy stole all the money she had just made.

Its safe to say (after I watched the video tape) that I was glad I wasn't able to make it to the party. I knew most of the guys at the party and definitely looked at some of them differently after that. At the time, I don't remember ever thinking of anyone as a rapist. I remember thinking it was one of the most fucked up bachelor parties I had ever seen. Everyone blamed what happened on the stripper being a complete whore....and themselves being really fucked up.

I haven't thought about this since I watched the video tape. Reading all the posts made me start to kinda question what happened. This kinda strikes me as a really fine line type of thing. Granted the girl never said no or stop, but I'm not entirely sure she could have. Hell I don't even know if she realized how many different guys there were. Thoughts?

[iloveboxcars]

i was raped when i was younger. it kinda taught me to block things out.. so.. now i dont have problems with anything anymore.. and i just put it away.. im sure im going to get an ulcer.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by SteveAustin
Thoughts?

Man, i cant really say if that was a rape or not...sometimes our own views and feelings alternate things...she could be having fun, apart from being jacked as well, she could also be so fucked up that didnt actually realise. Still, our views and feelings translate to our ethics in general..your story strikes me as a scene with the worst kind of people, i'm not a conservative person but i never thought that it would be fun to share a girl, even its just a fuck...in all my life i always wanted to feel something for a girl, either in a relationship or an one night stand...i totally dont understand how people can view sex with such brutality and anger...i'm sure theres a strong pshychological thing on the background, taking dirty to a girl may be fun, but fucking and feel like punishing is sad, the least. As far as the girl goes, i never believed that you can be SO fucked up...i know dozens of girls that get totally wasted and still dont end up in that position...i'm sure she realised that she was multifucked unless she passed out...

My guess is that when you got no clue about your self you seek emotions and enthusiasm from anything you can...you also have a strong feeling of being part of something..under that spectrum people can and will do anything...that extends to alot of things

[sieb]

man girls piss me of when theyre drunk, i see girls all the time who get hella faded and just throw themselves at guys, like girls will straight up crawl ona guys nuts while dudes just chilling there. but when girls get hella hella hella faded theyres definitelty are a lot of guys who try and take advantage of girls, one time after a keg hella people were in my room
and a few of them left to get something to eat, and me and my homie were just chilling in my room
and this one girl was passed out on my bed
and my freind was sitting on my bed to
and i was in my armchair, and my freind looked at the girl on the bed and was like, yo can you leave us alone for a minute, i was like dude i cant even do that shes passed out your not goign to take advantage of her, i was really surprised he would even think of doing that. later he tried telling me that she had asked if he wanted head, but i definitely would have seen that cause i never left the room, and she didnt talk like at all. definitely a shocking moment, i couldnt believe my homie would try and get down like that.my other homies sister got raped and like 40 dudes beat the shit out of this guy, they may have even killed him. this happened when we were like in 5th grade, so i dont remember what happened
but i remember wanting to go with them and beeat the dude with our skateboards

[Rectum]

WHATS WITH ALL THESE CHICKS wanting to be raped??? ......i know this girl that someone attempted to rape in road daylite when she in year 7 .......her fantasy is to be dominated ....... and another who was abused as a little girl who whenver she drinks absolutely must get some cock no exceptions........do you guys know the "stockholm syndrome"???maybe girls with past experiences of rape develop something similir to that where they turn into girls who want to be sexually used and or raped?.....as im writing this i remember another girl who was raped and she is now a mega slut, offering to suck off people shes met 5 minutes ago even without being drunk


BTW tesseract about the stripper how is that even close rape ..esp. if she was giving head at the same time.....probly happens at every party she goes to

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by Tesseract
Man, i cant really say if that was a rape or not...sometimes our own views and feelings alternate things...she could be having fun

[Rectum]

Originally posted by Nothing
man girls piss me of when theyre drunk, i see girls all the time who get hella faded and just throw themselves at guys, like girls will straight up crawl ona guys nuts while dudes just chilling there. but when girls get hella hella hella faded theyres definitelty are a lot of guys who try and take advantage of girls, one time after a keg hella people were in my room
and a few of them left to get something to eat, and me and my homie were just chilling in my room
and this one girl was passed out on my bed
and my freind was sitting on my bed to
and i was in my armchair, and my freind looked at the girl on the bed and was like, yo can you leave us alone for a minute, i was like dude i cant even do that shes passed out your not goign to take advantage of her, i was really surprised he would even think of doing that. later he tried telling me that she had asked if he wanted head, but i definitely would have seen that cause i never left the room, and she didnt talk like at all. definitely a shocking moment, i couldnt believe my homie would try and get down like that.my other homies sister got raped and like 40 dudes beat the shit out of this guy, they may have even killed him. this happened when we were like in 5th grade, so i dont remember what happened
but i remember wanting to go with them and beeat the dude with our skateboards

whats wrong with what your boy did???? ...he was probly just planning to lie next to her and like shake her a bit to wake her up, in which case she would have known what was up and given up the pussy.........you dont know that he was going to rape her when she asleep or nothing


some of you boys aree getting confused with fairplay and rape .... dont get me wrong i dont like rapists as much as the next guy esp. if it was a girl i was close to, but some of you need to reassess the difference between whores and rapists

[socrates]

Originally posted by Tesseract
what exaclty do you mean by rape?

Anything where the girl didn't explictly say yes....i.e drugged, passed out, or violently assualted and having it happen. It can't only be when she is attacked.

[S@T@N]

I remember... back when I was little, like 6 or 7, my mom told me
something. It was about why I shouldn't talk to strangers.

I was an ignorant little piece of shit, and I should have listened more
thoroughly, but from what I can remember, something happened to
her when she was a kid. She had been walking down the road her
home was on, when one of the adults she knew from around the
area had asked her to get in the car, something along those lines.

Because of how small I was, she didn't get into detail. She just said he
did bad things to her, really bad things, something about touching her...
and that I couldn't tell anyone, it was between us.... because she knew
if my dad ever found out he would kill the guy. For whatever reason,
she didn't want that happening.

I have never asked her about it since. I've always wondered though,
in the back of my mind, in that place between memory and conscious,
what the hell she could've meant. I never truly devoted any brainpower
to thinking about it, because then I would've realized what truly went on.


I hate everyone. But I'm a scumbag just like everyone else, it's all
just a toss of the dice if you're a sinner or a saint. I got lucky.

[hussy]

Somebody earlier posted a single word reply:

MASTURBATE

I think that says a lot when considering this subject.

When in doubt, visit Mrs. Palmer and her five sisters. She'll always do you right.

[podrido]

ILL SUCK YO DICK FOR SOME HEROIN

[img]http://www.cnn.com/1999/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/27/girl.interrupted/angelina.jolie.jpg'>

[hussy]

WARNING: excessive dick sucking swells your lips to angelina Jolie-ian proportions.

[THUMB WRESTL]

i don't like when girls get drunk, i seriously don't knwo if i want a wife that drinks, or if she does, she would definately have to be a light drinker.

i just can't get down with people who let mind altering substances (beer, liquor, weed, whatever) be their excuse in life.

i mean, no matter what i've done in my life, before i do things, i think of the consequences, if i paint i know i could maybe get caught, and if i drink and drive i realise i might kill someone or what have you, whatever it is, i'm aware of the end results.

i can't stand girls who drink until they don't know what's going on then get with guys, whether its one or two or more, that's stupid on their part.

a lot of girls use that to cry wolf i think to, which pisses me off almost as much as if they would have really got raped, because they knew ahead of time that they were drinking to much, and if they surely didnt want to be having sex after getting trashed, they should have had one of their girlfriends make sure that they didn't mess with any guys.

[socrates]

And guys go and use the exuse that they were drunk and it was all in good fun....

[GI Jew]

Originally posted by hussy
Somebody earlier posted a single word reply:

MASTURBATE

I think that says a lot when considering this subject.

When in doubt, visit Mrs. Palmer and her five sisters. She'll always do you right.

that was me.... I do it anway without thinking of rape. Rape would make me limp so no, that's not the idea.

[hussy]

Read again:

that says a lot when considering the SUBJECT


In other words, those who consider rape should perhaps first consider masturbation as a means of quenching the need.

My post was only directed towards you in regard to a one word quote, not as a means of using you as an example.

[Weapon X]

some of you guys don't seem to get that rape is when a girl says no, or isn't aware of what's going on.


a gangbang is not a rape. some girls are down with that.

that masturbation thing probably wouldn't work all the time. See, I went to school with this guy. He was pretty chilling. I remember he was a serious addict to stealing cars even more than us, particularly them easy as hell old Caravans.

A few years down the road, there is a rash of brutal sexual assaults (women, particularly older ones, were being tied up in the back of minivans and getting raped) going around. They finally caught the guy. It was this fool that I had used to chill with from time to time. I felt sick because I had just run into him on the subway a few days before the arrest. He seemed normal as hell, not some psycopathic horndog checking out every girl that walked by (as I tend to do sometimes). He had a girlfriend the whole time, so I'm sure it had a lot to do with the power aspect of the whole deal instead of lack of sex in his own life. I sure feel bad for the girlfriend, as well as the victims, of course. I hear he ain't doing too well in the pen, so at least that's something.

[hussy]

Originally posted by Weapon X


that masturbation thing probably wouldn't work all the time.


Of course not i was making light of a subject that really doesn't deserve it. I'm a female who was raped at the age of 14 and I guess it's sometimes easier to play down the seriousness of a matter than to actually talk about it.


a gangbang is not a rape. some girls are down with that.

I don't believe that, but then again, i've never worked in the full blown porn industry [though i have known people who are] so i guess I can't comment on that. In other words, I think the only girlies that enjoy trains are those that are getting paid the big dosh or are far too blown on dope to give a fuck who is inside them from one minute to the next.

Girls who actually want to do something other than lay on their backs for a living are NOT down with being gang raped.


There's my $0.02

[Frate Raper]

After reading some of these I felt like puking, and I can't really add much but this story. My Uncles mother died so he and his brother were left to there own while there father took care of all the bullshit.They had a sister she was semi retarded she was left with the family next door.Father comes home hears odd noises and just walks right in, whats he see? The people next door using his daughter in a 3 some.

Walked a few houses up grabbed his gun and simply exicuted them in the street infront of everyone.He was taken to jail and my Uncle and his brother were on there own at 12 and 13 in Montreal.These guys are straight THUG.


theres only one way to take car of rapists and people that hit chicks......STREET JUSTICE@!

[willy.wonka]

Originally posted by BabyPuncher
wonka.. im sorry man but i'd kick your face in if i ever met you.. no offense you seem chill enough..

shut it already..and so what about your girlfriend and her dad..its not like my girl who lives with her brother, who raped her or the guy who gets her fired from her own job cause he raped her and felt uncomfortable that he has to look at her. not like she held me back from stickin this fool in the gut or held me back when i travelled across a state to meet this guy in person to kill him.


just cause you were raped by your friend doesnt make me the monster..i helped out more people than you will ever know.you think i piss you off?just cause my boys did horrible things?like rape, murder and crime?you can fuck off.i left that place a long time ago.

things change..people change..God makes men..if not..we would die by our own actions alone.i havent lived this long for nothin.

i think its funny how a lot of people that are around me today can see me as a person with a very very bad past and experiences..and how they tell me straight up that when times are down they look at me and see the light that i hold on to and how it gives them strength to see me in my struggles and how i do not give up..you dont know me and my own personal struggles i go through.so dont point your finger at me and scream monster..when you personally know what the monster is.



its things like this that make me NEED to see something more in life.. its soo sad to see everyone so lost.. i'd give it all up to be happy.. no question. i hate this place.

i guess when i say you dont know what its like to be me, i was wrong.

you were raped once...i was raped over a period of 3 months straight by some married chick.i really dont cry about it.some of my homies over here in hawaii give me high fives for it, saying "good job"..and all i tell them is," that was the worst time of my life"damn shedevil...she told me once that if i didnt fuck her that she would tell her husband that i raped her..she would suck my shrivelled dick until it becam hard and make me tap it..if i went soft, she would wait and suck on it again.
sounds like a dream, but it was a nightmare.funny that she told her husban what was going on after i told her, "thats it, no more, im leaving".
i called it rape after a couple of months of realizing what that situation really was.i thought she was just a crazy bitch that wanted too much sex and that i was a piece of meat, but i see that she was hooked on power.

go bitch at the guy who raped his girlfriend..dont pick on me.your so-called positivity just gives me negativity on this side of the line.

and how dare you talk about judgement day to me..i know whats comin.and yet, in God i still have my faith.

[hussy]

I'm impressed by willy wonka's honesty.

Props to you man, there is no monopoly on rape and men cop it too.

I understand what you're saying about your boys doing what they did to girls and having no power to stop it, i think a lot of people who have been in a full on gang situation have felt that lack of power.

Anyone that judges you for it is a naive fool that needs to grow the fuck up.

[Tyler Durden]

Originally posted by socrates
About 2 years ago I went to a party just outside of SF in some pretty nice area. I'd come with 3 of my friends and there were like 100 kids there and We knew 1...after like 30 minutes of "light" drinking and mingling this kid came up on us and started pointing out girls that he'd got with..I didn't really care and neither did the friend I was standing with so we walked away from him...he came back like 10 minutes later and said "wanna see how I got all those girls", I said I didn't care but he reached in his pocket and brought out a handfull of little white pills(ruffies). Before that dumb kid had a chance to close his hand I hit him, my friend grabbed him and slammed him on the concrete...we eventually drug him out into the midddle of the street and and continued to beat his ass long after he started bleeding. then the cops showed up and we never even flinched I sat in the back of the car and felt zero remorse, I went to the station spent the night in lock-up but the best part was the arresting officer found out about what really happened and wrote in his report that my friend was attacked and I was only hitting him in self defense, As I left I saw the cop as I was geting released and he grabbed my arm and said I did what he wanted to do but couldn't..........all in all you violate a girl whether I know her or you I will physicially and mentally fuck with you, so help me god until you kill yourself.


in all seriousness, good job.










my take on rape: bad. very very very bad. not cool in the slightest. if you do it, and are able to go through life without feeling remorse, then i hope that you one day go through some sort of life altering psychological pain that will not leave you easily. i hope you feel torment and want to die. you deserve it.




my girlfriend, i have faith that she can handle herself, as she's fucked up some guys pretty bad before for making advances on her.... (grabbing her ass while she was working....harassing her...) i would personally kill anyone who raped/tried to rape her. i would enjoy causing someone like that as much pain as i could and not letting them die. my girl told me that she had a "kind of sort of rape fantasy" i guess you could say. the way she explained it to me though it wasnt so much "rape" as it was a little bit of sex on the rougher side. i think shes just into like....blindfolding or having her hands tied or something. i dont really consider that to be like....rape stuff...i think its more of a fetish that could be rape related in a way. i dont know, i've thought about this and it would be a really weird thing for me to do. im not really sure if im down for that, even though i want to indulge her "fantasies" just like i know she'd do for me.



humans are animals. we're sexual animals. males and females. the males just tend to get more......aggressive about it i believe. in the end its all a control thing though, aside from wanting a hole to stick your dick in its about having that control over another person that fills the rapists sexual appetite. these are people with control/domination issues. perhaps my girlfriend likes to be controlled a little since she appears to always be in control of everything else that goes on typically in her life? i dont know really. thats just what sounds the most logical to me right now.

[Tyler Durden]

Originally posted by BabyPuncher
k, so lets chat.

my girlfriend right now, she is a SWEET girl.. never been with a guy before me, never ever done anything bad in her life, drank ONCE in her life.. ever.. i mean, real good little girl. she has some problems though. she is constantly asking me to "rape" her.. its kinda scarey.. i mean.. she wants me to really rough her up and just take her.. in a mean sence.. like hit her and shit. makes me worry alot that something like this has happened before and she wont talk to me about it.



after reading this....(i read pages 1 and 3 before reading page 2...) my girl never asked me to rape her thank god...if she had i wouldve been really weirded out by that. i think theres a difference between girls wanting sex thats a little different...like blindfolds or tying up or handcuffs or whatever....and the girls who really want to be hit and be "abused" during sex. its considered s&m i believe as long as both partners are "consenting". but still.....i think that people who place a strong emphasis on "fetish's" like that may need to go see a counselor. maybe she saw someone being abused? or god forbid maybe she experienced some sort of abuse herself? but i cant imagine something like that just manifesting itself in someone "normally". i dont think that any girl would WANT to be raped who has a thorough understanding of what rape really is. i think some girls may get the idea that its some sort of exhilirating sex with a stranger where theres an element of danger involved...i think rape is EXTREMELY violent and disturbing and demoralizing at that. i think that although there are people who can appear "normal" and still be rapists or commit rapist actions, i think alot of the things that "make" a rapist can be found in people who enjoy bondage in its demoralizing and violent forms. as i said in my other post, these are people who can only feel sexually satisfied through excercising power over someone else.

[GI Jew]

diehomokthx knows no rape, but I do HATE the idea.

[Like Woah !]

Originally posted by Rectum
whats wrong with what your boy did???? ...he was probly just planning to lie next to her and like shake her a bit to wake her up, in which case she would have known what was up and given up the pussy.........you dont know that he was going to rape her when she asleep or nothing


some of you boys aree getting confused with fairplay and rape .... dont get me wrong i dont like rapists as much as the next guy esp. if it was a girl i was close to, but some of you need to reassess the difference between whores and rapists

ok this above really bothered me, and no one responded to it yet. i dont post much, but this is the most interesting thread on here in about forever, and everyone is being pretty respectful/honest/serious, so i figured id throw in my 2 cents , for whatever its worth

i really hope your joking with that "he was probably gonna lie next to her and try to wake her up" bullshit. either that, or you are living in a perfect world, where everyone means what they say, and what they say is never immoral or questionable in any way. if you cant see whats wrong with your proposed scenario, then theres probably very little i or anyone could say to make you understand. think of it like if your at a yard, and some kids come up to you and ask to "see" your paint, you know they dont wanna look at it. your getting vamped. you cant always give people the benefit of the doubt and take them at their word. even if they are your "boy", or you think you know them really well. because hardly anyone knows anyone really well, when it comes down to it. and all that stuff you have that you keep to yourself, thoughts that you dont share with anyone because you know people would look at you differently because of, well everyone has that. and some people's are more fucked up than others. and some people deal with them in different ways than others. Nothing was in a situation where he felt something was not quite kosher, and he acted accordingly, and i give him props for that.


fairplay is when something happens between two consenting people. fairplay when both parties agree to what is going on. fairplay is not when someone is too drunk/passed out/faded to say "no", so by default you assume that means "yes". by using the word "whore", or "slut" or anything like that, you are making it easier to dehumanize the girl, and view her as an object. the way you say it is like "whores" arent even girls, and if you rape a "whore", its not really rape, because , well , they're a "whore". yes, some girls are less descriminating with how they conduct themselves sexually than others, and put themselves in not-so-smart situations. does that make it an open invitation to have your way with them and for it to be ok? i want to make it clear that this is not a personal attack on you. i just think based on what you wrote, that you need to reassess some things.

[GI Jew]

Hey :stupid name: up there.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

STFU about Willy, ya catch my drift?

[sneak]

my girlfriend walked in on me reading this last night (she sometimes finds the stuff on 12oz funny). she asked me what i was reading. i let her read the thread and the look on her face changed so much when she got to certain stories (notably willys and chicken bones and baby punchers). i asked her that if something ever happened to her would she tell me. she said she didnt know and it would depend on the situation.

i was scared by the fact that she said she didnt know if shed tell me....

what do the 12oz ladies think of all this? weve had bodice, but lets get some more stuff from them...

[willy.wonka]

hey..im sorry that my story is very bad..its been stuck in my head ever since it happened..i guess i could say that even when i didnt act like i cared, i really did.i know a lot of people are blinded by the uglyness of it, but i was protecting some of the girls that came over.something was just wrong with me back then..if i could go back, i would definately change things.sorry that i let it happened.it wont ever happen with me again.

my girlfriend told me about it, and cried. so i held on to her.i was very supportive for her, but take this as a warning.
some people just dont understand..she told some of these people that she was raped and the room became cold.these were her co-workers and they really didnt like being her friend after that, which pissed me off.
she was abandoned and thought of as some wierdo.really, sometimes the only people that you can be totally comfortable telling dark secrets to is a stranger or a trusted loved one.

if she doesnt want to tell you anything, maybe its cause of the fear that was put into her during that..but thats your girl, im sure you guys are talking about it already.

[OrangeDot]

"wonk please dont feel like im pulling you out.. its just.. i think there is a bias in you somewhere when you will need more than just self justification.. and if you've already delt with situations like that.. man i appologise, mind you im going by text and have a HUGE bias... i have no idea what you've delt with, i just know my personal experience as the RAPE-E and not the RAPER... or even knowing the RAPER beyond an aquaintance... and being the subject of such event i felt in no way could i discuss it with them.. so yeah.. i appologise for any sort of "attack" in your direction.. you just need to understand my general sadness for anyone who's been involved with ANYTHING like this. so yeah.. sorry man.. your own personal demons will get ya. you dont need me helpin. *(and i should keep my eyes on my own too.. and not point the blame.. not to christian of me huh?)*"



dude.. i thought i layed out a pretty nice appology. look those people, the people with the remorse that you speak of.. THEY ARE SUFFERING.. thats exactly the statement i made... i NEVER said they were unforgiveable in the eyes of the lord.. but they are UNFORGIVEN BY THE INDIVIDUALS.


thats all i meant.. dude you can do some gnarly shit and god WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU.. thats not justification, but its HOPE... you can come back from that shit... after i read what you said i read the story of judice... *(sorry i JUST woke up and my thoughts are a bit messy)*... remember him? yeah... i realised i was doing much more harm then good, and i wrote that subtle appology.. man like that.. i UNDERSTAND shit sucks, that life sucks.. and that sometimes people make BAD decisions. i do alot. you did, and prolly still do.



look man i appologised for being so harsh, and then you flip on me.. i dont know what that was about.. i did use your examples as steppingstones to bring a BIGGER point across..but i wasnt trying to crucify you man... like i said i appologise. im sure we could be cool friends or something.. you could PROBABLY do me a LOT of good and teaching me, letting me UNDERSTAND the mentality that urges people in a direction like that... i always tried to play underdog.. i mean.. i did, and i do, and sometimes i fight the fight dirty.. like i did earlier man..



so yeah.. im not nor was i ever trying to call you out.. i had a bad approach to try to prove a point. i appologise.

sorry man.

[GI Jew]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[OrangeDot]

Originally posted by diehomokthx
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

it amazes me that some people just blow off a sincere appology. i felt bad. i was a jerk to him man. he deserves at least that.


ease the fuck up. not everyone has to be proud every day all day

[GI Jew]

I talked to Willy last night, and he was pissed. That's wack of you to talk shit like that. Apologies, to me, mean nothing. You fuck up, and you fuck up, there's no rewind button.

Yeah sure, you can delete posts on 12oz, but you can't take back what you said to Willy. I don't care if you're sorry or not, and I'm not the one that needs to accept your apology.

[THUMB WRESTL]

Originally posted by diehomokthx
I talked to Willy last night, and he was pissed. That's wack of you to talk shit like that. Apologies, to me, mean nothing. You fuck up, and you fuck up, there's no rewind button.

Yeah sure, you can delete posts on 12oz, but you can't take back what you said to Willy. I don't care if you're sorry or not, and I'm not the one that needs to accept your apology.

say man, shut the fuck up, you've came in this thread time and time again saying stupid shit, begging for attention. ease up on the stupid comments, and get off wonka's nuts. he's a big boy and he knows how to talk to baby puncher without you protecting his dignity/nuts/honor or what have you. grow up.

[Kettiecat]

Most rapes are date rapes.
Stranger-Stranger rape has very little to do with sex and everything to do with control and power.
Most women have had at some point in their lives rape fantasies.
Guys rape.
Girls lie about being raped.
Society judges the victims of rape.
They also judge the people accused of rape.
Almost all love stories promote men to push women into things they don't want. "The man wants to date the woman. She says no. He pushes on and on. Eventually the woman breaks down and falls for the guy."

[tears*uno]

NIGGA, I SMOKE DATE RAPE

[KRONOLOGIK]

One of my boys is doing 25 to life in the Kingston penn (the largest prison that you're sent to if you live in Toronto) for one event that he can never change. His 16 year old sister at the time was at a big end of school jam with attendance somewhere around 80 people. The party went on with no serious events beyond the usual drugs and alcohol and I know his little sister she doesnt drink or do drugs. This ass hole who was 19 at the time druged her with one of those date rape pills in her glass of pop/soda whatever you guys call it and got her all fucked up then raped her in the bathroom at this guys house, shit was that a mistake. so I guess a few hours went buy after this incident and she began to sober up and realize what happened, she paged my boy (no names mentionned) her brother who was at work at the time and told him everything she could piece together from what she could remember. So in an instinctual rage he immediately left work and headed straight to the party (this guy was at that point on a mission to hunt down and terminate the guy that raped his sister) he soon nears the party and who happens to be walking to the liquor store, yep it was him with a couple of his boys. He (my boy) drove right up onto the sidewalk in his mustang and clipped his legs, got out and proceeded to kick the fuck out of him. He just kept kicking the guy untill he stopped breathing, he killed him with one of his kicks to the head and snapped his neck. I still visit him once a month cause its a long drive from where I live and honestly if that happened to my mom or a girlfriend of mine I'd do the same thing and wouldnt think twice about it. I just feel really sorry for my boy rotting away in that prison for that one nessessary death.

[sneak]

^^im sorry your boy is now fucked. however, i probably would end up doing the same if i had a little sister. hell i could do that even if it was a friend of mine. im sure there are other people on this board that would to.

[GI Jew]

Originally posted by THUMB WRESTL
say man, shut the fuck up, you've came in this thread time and time again saying stupid shit, begging for attention. ease up on the stupid comments, and get off wonka's nuts. he's a big boy and he knows how to talk to baby puncher without you protecting his dignity/nuts/honor or what have you. grow up.

Get my dick out yo mouth nephew. Wonka's a friend of mine.

[willy.wonka]

one of my girlfriends was walking outa my nieghborhood "over here in hawaii" as she was walkin out some military guys started harassing her/trying to talk to her..when she told them whatever/fuck off..one of them started yellin at her talk about how she shouldnt be thrown mixed signals..(she's fine) he then started hitting her in front of all these kids and took off..

not exactly rape, but damn near close to it.one reason why i hate military folk that come here..she was also raped in some alley way by a bunch of military guys in waikiki(downtown)she never told me. i just foundout from one of her friends..she was just a little girl back then.


there is something wrong with our military

[OrangeDot]

i had a friend who was in the rangers.. he was given steroids to increase his agression..



there are LOTS of things wrong with the military.

[Pistol]

I didn't bother reading the replies. Just TEARZ original post.
I assume that it's a "few" rapist's raping numerous girls as opposed to one rapist, raping one girl and calling it quits.

What a fucked up world it is where girls have to worry about getting raped/molested/kidnapped whatever.

[chicken bone]

Emphasizing the point of some peoples ridiculous viewpoint on rape victims:

I remember talking to my ex and telling her she should tell her father what happened, so he could kill the guy that raped her (because she knew for a fact that he had raped another girl, and that he had since moved to Switzerland to go to college, and was probably continuing to rape more girls). My ex's father was a big head in the Swedish mafia and I know for a fact that if he found out he would kill this rapist himself. I really wanted this to happen but she kept telling me she would never tell him.

It turns out sometime before, my ex and her father were watching a movie (at this point, no one knew about the rape and she had not yet met me) and a woman character had been raped in the movie. My ex curiously asked her father what he thought of that (this was sometime after she herself had been raped) and he said something about how it was despicable, and if one of his daughters got raped (including her) he would never be able to look at her again (presumably because from then on he would think of his raped daughter as 'dirty').

So imagine being raped, then knowing you could never tell your father that it happened in fear of losing your fathers love. So this rapist is still out there and there is basically nothing that can be done..

I really cant understand how you could think more lowly of a person because they had been raped... No one deserves to be raped (unless I think if you've raped before)... So how could it lessen or mar a persons character?

[socrates]

Originally posted by KRONOLOGIK
One of my boys is doing 25 to life in the Kingston penn (the largest prison that you're sent to if you live in Toronto) for one event that he can never change. His 16 year old sister at the time was at a big end of school jam with attendance somewhere around 80 people. The party went on with no serious events beyond the usual drugs and alcohol and I know his little sister she doesnt drink or do drugs. This ass hole who was 19 at the time druged her with one of those date rape pills in her glass of pop/soda whatever you guys call it and got her all fucked up then raped her in the bathroom at this guys house, shit was that a mistake. so I guess a few hours went buy after this incident and she began to sober up and realize what happened, she paged my boy (no names mentionned) her brother who was at work at the time and told him everything she could piece together from what she could remember. So in an instinctual rage he immediately left work and headed straight to the party (this guy was at that point on a mission to hunt down and terminate the guy that raped his sister) he soon nears the party and who happens to be walking to the liquor store, yep it was him with a couple of his boys. He (my boy) drove right up onto the sidewalk in his mustang and clipped his legs, got out and proceeded to kick the fuck out of him. He just kept kicking the guy untill he stopped breathing, he killed him with one of his kicks to the head and snapped his neck. I still visit him once a month cause its a long drive from where I live and honestly if that happened to my mom or a girlfriend of mine I'd do the same thing and wouldnt think twice about it. I just feel really sorry for my boy rotting away in that prison for that one nessessary death.

Does he regret killing the guy ar does he regret getting caught...I don't think myself would regret either, that guy would have got out in 2 years if any jail time at all for the rape charge.

[podrido]

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cant forget this thread

[KaBar]

About the woman that was raped and murdered---She was my first wife. We travelled together for a couple of years, and she hitch-hiked and rode trains with me. We were union activists. We divorced in 1976, the same year I enlisted in the Marines. I did not see her again, until her funeral in 1989. After we were divorced, she went on to marry again, and had a very active life as a union representative.

She was pretty much a fearless woman. As you can imagine, when we were young, we got into plenty of scrapes hitching and trainhopping, and she never wimped out, not once. As a union activist for the IWW, and then later for the Communication Workers of America, and then even later as a business representative for the Service Employees' International Union, she was a tireless organizer and a tough negotiator.

When we were married, we lived in a part of Houston called "the Montrose area." It was sort of the Haight-Ashbury of Houston, very popular with young, artistic, liberal people, especially gays and left-wing political types. As it became more and more popular, the rents went higher and higher. A lot of our old friends moved to the Houston Heights neighborhood (another cool area) and my ex-wife moved into the warehouse district area east of Houston's downtown. This area was fast becoming a favorite of artists and the "art car parade" group, as well as gays, lesbians and various kinds of feminists.

She felt very comfortable being a single white woman in a largely black and Hispanic neighborhood. She had no reason to feel afraid. She and I had been hippies, anarchist revolutionaries, IWW organizers, trainhoppers and drifters. Compared to all that shit, living in a working-class minority neighborhood as an SEIU union organizer was a piece of cake.
Her landlady was Hispanic. The landlady's son was a recently released convict. He got a set of keys to her garage apartment, went up there and was going through her stuff. She came home after work. He armed himself with one of her kitchen knives and hid in a bedroom closet. When she was getting undressed and opened the closet, he attacked her, stabbing her numerous times (she had deep defensive cuts on both hands and arms) and then, when she fled down the hallway, he stabbed her five times in the back. She collapsed in the hallway, and he tried to rape her as she bled to death. The police told my sister that there was evidence of penetration, but no semen.

It's hard to convey how much hatred I feel for this man. But it's a lot.

He got seven-to-life in the Texas prison system. It's not nearly enough.

Some day he will get out. I imagine her family is patiently awaiting that day.

[chicken bone]

Whoa. Life's a trip, but you probably know that more than I do...

I hope that guy gets whats coming to him.

I'm going to go see my girlfriend now. We will try to find pepper spray or something for her. She's moving away soon and I won't be around to protect her...

[KRONOLOGIK]

Originally posted by socrates
Does he regret killing the guy ar does he regret getting caught...I don't think myself would regret either, that guy would have got out in 2 years if any jail time at all for the rape charge.

No, he has no regrets for what he needed to do or for being caught. Of course he hates it in prison although I think he's sort of beginning to accept his situation.

[Grandola]

the world is fucked up... i haven't experienced anything like that so i can't say shit... but what i can say is that everyone gets theirs... so way or another.

[TEARZ]

i'm very surprised with how this thread has gone. there are some amazing stories here and i'm beyond impressed with people's contributions. i didn't think a thread like this was possible with the 12oz of today. honestly i thought this would have 7 dick replies and be closed.

i really respect willy's honesty. as i said before, i don't think that there is 100% honesty in this thread- honesty clearly isn't part of the equation when it comes to men and rape. willy's reply was so honest that it hurt- and that's some of the shit i was trying to get to.

there are some voices that are conspicuously absent.

as far as men are concerned- this thread has just confirmed my belief that the only real emotion men are allowed to have when it comes to rape is anger. this is nothing new- anger is really the only socially acceptable emotion for men in most cases. men are basically tought "don't rape and fucking kill any dude that does." i even sense in this thread admiration for how far one is willing to go to respond to a rape. that's troubling. i almost think that while that response is valid and understandable, it's almost a cop out. why the desire to see another man dead and not to see less women raped. surely there are more productive channels if that's what you really care about. and like i said before, i'm not trying to bust on anyone because i've been right there with you- i'm guilty too.

banjo bob touched on some of this before- but there are tons of conflicting messages out there for (especially young) men concerning sex.

young men in the 12oz target demographic are the main ones doing the raping in the US. most rapists are not the scummy semi-homeless dudes that emerge from alleyways and darkened parking garages like we have been conditioned to believe. again, i'll say that this is another way that the common man distances himself from the rapist. if all of the "typical" rapists in the US were hiding out in their abandoned warehouse in south jersey, then we'd have 1% of the rapes in the US that we have now. just like if neo-nazis and the kkk were all that we had for racists in the us, we'd have virtually no racism. rapes happen everywhere. even at harvard, even at lefty pc ivies like brown and wesleyan. so no offense 12oz if i say that i'm positive that we have some rapists among our ranks. the average date rapist doesn't think "i'm gonna go rape some girl tonight." i think that the average rapist is very much the average joe.

we've been bamboozled into thinking that the average rapist is a wacko scumbag- no moreso that the average man- we are the average rapist.

[imported_suburbian bum]

the word rape makes me feel sick in the stomach. I know girls who have been raped, basically it ruins thier lives. its an ugly thing and i think that a rapist is a worse person than a murderer. I agree rapists should die.
But like every other man in the world, we have this chemical need to have sex that comes from way back in history. Its our hormones. I cant deny that i have thought of rape, and it disgusts me now. I would never do it.
Rape isnt just traumatizing and unwanted to girls it LITERRALLY DESTROYS THEIR LIVES. Somthing about rape changes the brain chemistry of a girl and makes them depressed, and often time slutty.


Another thing almost any slut you will ever meet has been sexually abused, it causes girls to be sluts. Its the human cycle of abuse.

[effyoo]

Originally posted by suburbian bum
rape changes the brain chemistry of a girl and makes them depressed, and often time slutty.


Another thing almost any slut you will ever meet has been sexually abused, it causes girls to be sluts. Its the human cycle of abuse.

What!? Please explain.

[imported_suburbian bum]

And when you say you dont personally know any girls who have been raped. You are wrong. You would be surprised the people who you would least expect it have been raped/molested whatever. Its horrible happens to sooo many people..
its the cycle of abuse.
Some old guy rapes a girl and molests a boy.
The boy grows up and because the old guy fucked his brain over rapes a guy. And molestes a boy.
Boy molests.

ETC. Its practiaclly not even these peoples fault which is the horrible thing! These people all have had the thing done to them that they are doing. Its human nature.
I call it the cycle of abuse and it happens everywhere all the time.

[imported_suburbian bum]

Originally posted by effyoo
What!? Please explain.
It may not make sence but it is VERY true.

You meet a slutty girl, she has been raped/molested/abused sometime when she was younger. That abuse has altered the "wiring" of her brain. She may not really like sex but its basically unavoidable.

Other things like physical/verbal abuse, girls growing up and never having a father, having drug addicted parents, ETC will also cause this sort of thing.


I know its weird but as you go through life you will realize its trye.


Ive gotten to the point where i can tell a girl that has been abused and often times what kind of abuse that has happened to her because of the way she acts. Its sad. And about 70% of the time i figure out that im right.

[I Luv Roo]

A woman should use her head, but there's never a "too sexy" of an outfit that justified being forced to have sex with someone. Ever.

In Italy, if a woman is raped, and her pants were tight, the law says that it's not really considered "rape" because "she must have helped to get her pants off"....

Majority of rapes that occur are date rapes. These are the ones that are rarely reported - and this is because of the social stigma given to a rape victim, and the lack of concern by the authorities - times are changing, but police are known for being extremely unsympathetic towards rape victims and extremely non-comforting. They haven't treated it like the violent crime that it is for such a long time.


Take back the night!

[I Luv Roo]

The authorities have been known for telling a woman that she "deserved" to be raped because of her "revealing" clothing. This is not the case anymore, however is still practiced in some countries, specifically Italy, and maybe many more where women are still considered second-class citizens.

From a woman's point of view - no outfit could ever be revealing enough to deserve to be raped. period.

"Take back the night" was a women's march held in LA in the 80's that stood for bringing attention to rape, and the lack of support for rape victims, and lack of prosecutions for rapists.

[imported_suburbian bum]

Originally posted by FluffeR
thats nice, now what the fuck is ROO? or who the fuck?

I can see myself raping a girl, I really can. My boy raped a skinny girl in Queens to join the Latin Kings, I just remembered that.
Im watching you.

[imported_Tesseract]

I dont think italians concider women as second grade citizens in any way...i dont know how you came up with this, you know their statistics on rape? i'm curious.

[dukeofyork]

Originally posted by sneak
^^im sorry your boy is now fucked. however, i probably would end up doing the same if i had a little sister. hell i could do that even if it was a friend of mine. im sure there are other people on this board that would to.


i would definitely beat the fuck out of anyone that pulled that shit on my sister, but i would do my best not to kill them. just rack up a big hospital bill for them.

[I Luv Roo]

Originally posted by Tesseract
I dont think italians concider women as second grade citizens in any way...i dont know how you came up with this, you know their statistics on rape? i'm curious.

I don't know - I got that vibe myself in Italy - but I know that it's improved alot - and that law may not even exist anymore.
I know that it used to be that a woman would have to prove that it was premeditated for the rapist to be convicted - and that is no longer the case. So maybe I am wrong. I also believe that the Vatican's stance on "family values" hinders the whole feminist movement in a way. I don't want to argue about it though.

[I Luv Roo]

Originally posted by FluffeR
thats nice, now what the fuck is ROO? or who the fuck?

I can see myself raping a girl, I really can. My boy raped a skinny girl in Queens to join the Latin Kings, I just remembered that.

Or better yet... who the fuck is FLUFFER?

[villain]

I'm going to have to agree with S@T@N. Kill them. At least killing is justifiable.

[ShootMcgavin]

Originally posted by suburbian bum
Ive gotten to the point where i can tell a girl that has been abused and often times what kind of abuse that has happened to her because of the way she acts. Its sad. And about 70% of the time i figure out that im right. or they pretend their happy all the time.. that they are fine, until you start talking to them...usually their weird and tend to not be real connected and commited to people who want a relationship with them...

[imported_El Mamerro]

This thread is really hard to read, and even harder to reply to... there's so much to say on the subject. However I will say that, TEARZ, what you have said is some of the most intelligent, well-thought out, and well-written things I have ever read on this board.

Rape is one of those incredibly unfathomable things that doesn't seem to make sense at all, yet there's an unnerving naturalness to them... I don't know, I don't feel like getting serious right now. I'll post more of what i think later. Beer,

El Mamerro

[KRONOLOGIK]

All rapists must die slow and painfull deaths. Slow and painfull.....Painfull..........

[ASER1NE]

rape is the shit
dont sleep

[KRONOLOGIK]

Painfull...........

[WOTUP]

Originally posted by willy.wonka
my friends used to rape a lot of girls at my homies house parties..not like one guy rape..it was like 2 girls and 10 guys..straight gangbang style..the thing that tripped most of us out is that more and more girls came to our parties..we were known as rapists, but more and more chicks kept comin..girls from all around town came to get raped.
i never took part in the gangbangs, but it sure looks dirty..with everybody using somebody else's name..not like everybody's name is po'yo.when one person is done he leaves the room and everybody kinda "evily" creeps closer to the bed...

once i came back from bombin and i walked in a dark room.

all my boys were like..."close the door, get down"

i walked into a dirty scene.there were at least 12-14 guys in there.my homie "ratboy" was raw-dog fuckin his girlfriend while she gave head to my homie "j"...he was all hollerin and showin off..
my friend mike came up to me wit ha big smile and was like, "eh yo wonka, come hit this..i knew something was wrong, cause my homie mike never passed up the pussy..then i smelt this really nasty "ass" smell..i turned out the girl was blind..her dad was the owner of a store we stole kegs from and she didnt know how to wipe her ass..
my temtation was broken by reality..
i was never into that shit..i was a playa that brought chicks home..

im serious though..these girls were straight raped, but they kept comin back..very strange.i never understood that.

i never seen that type of rape where the girls are crying trying to fight people off, but i have seen the passed out waking up to some guy stickin his dick in her...

i have no troubles thinking about it..i just think of it as odd

shit, i was raped before.


U consider those ppl friendz bro??Get ya fukn head read mate!!

[WOTUP]

Originally posted by suburbian bum
And when you say you dont personally know any girls who have been raped. You are wrong. You would be surprised the people who you would least expect it have been raped/molested whatever. Its horrible happens to sooo many people..
its the cycle of abuse.
Some old guy rapes a girl and molests a boy.
The boy grows up and because the old guy fucked his brain over rapes a guy. And molestes a boy.
Boy molests.

ETC. Its practiaclly not even these peoples fault which is the horrible thing! These people all have had the thing done to them that they are doing. Its human nature.
I call it the cycle of abuse and it happens everywhere all the time.

Xactly!!!!!!!

[toyeattoywar]

i dont really know what to say to this thread, i havent read the whole thing. the first and the fourth page to be exact, this is alot of heavy shit to process. a friend of mine was raped by her dad between the ages of 2-12 on numerous numerous occasions and hes still not in jail although he has a trial coming up. he also raped her little brother on numerous occasions, between the same ages i believe. another friend of mine was raped and given herpes blowing her lifelong dream of becoming the first lady astronaut to actually make it into space, which she was actually succesfully working towards. although i only know 2 of the 3 people mentioned i have witnessed what the effects have been and its not pretty. one of my friends that i havent talked to in years was a rape victim, i met her in a psych hospital; she was there due to her abuse. still today one of my friends has dreams of being raped on a regular basis and is unable to stop her attacker in her sleep because of being raped. she wakes up screaming sometimes. theres a writer from the city that i live in that is a rapist and is proud to be a rapist, he sits around and brags about it. i was just informed of this a few nights ago and dont really know how to react or how to approach the situation. i dont know. rape is fucked up.

[socrates]

Beat him into oblivion...or pay a recent release form state prison to turn the tables on him

[toyeattoywar]

he doesnt live here, only comes through to visit while on vacation from school.

[socrates]

So wait til he returns......................

[re-format<--]

fuck a rapist huck em off the top tier

[re-format<--]

fuck it rape in my eyes is worse than murder it stays with the victum any kind of sexual abuse i met a guy who was a boy prostitute at 10 years old now hes all fucked on drugs and hes honestly got nothing to live for now but it was his choice.

[angry xbox]

i took it into my own hands once, when i found out this fol and hios three chorts took advantage of one of our freinds while she was throwed and they took pictures and videotaped it while doing the deed. I fucked that fools truck up real good, but he did deserve a beating.

[ana]

hmmm...interesting topic
I'm impressed that you brought this up tearz-interesting questions and content.
My humble opinion-rape is about power. Power is sexy in our world. Reference dominatrixes, s&m, bondage, love stories where one character has to be "persuaded" that the other is their true love, etc, etc... Perhaps if equal relationships were considered as sexy or sexier than relationships based on inequal power, rape would be less prevalent?

My own personal experiences with rape are mundane-raped in my bed when I was too drunk to walk or stand by a male friend in first year of uni. 2nd year, dragged into a incredibly drunk friend's room where he tried to take my clothes off. Both guys were normal, blow joes. People liked them, got along with them, went out drinking with them. There was no red x on their forehead or third leg to mark them as would-be rapists. They were average guys. THose regretable incidents just made me realize how much I have to trust the guys around me-I am not strong enough to fight off an average male so I have to trust that he will not try to rape me if we are alone. And I am not going to be a fucking cloistered nun, afraid to walk home when it's late or go out at night by myself.
Both of the above guys' responses were more embarresment than realization of what they had done-more along the lines of "I don't want to be around you because you remind me that I did something mean to you"
mmm...about rape fantasies, most rape fantasies are hardly close to the real thing I personally would suspect. I think that rape fantasies are more about giving up the power to someone they choose (or who is acceptable), in a non-realistic violent manner. I think women are taught to want a man who will dominate them, overcome them, control them, etc... which then results in rape fantasies. Or I could be incredibly wrong.

[TEARZ]

^^
are you who i think you are?

[imported_suburbian bum]

Yes this thread shows how often it happens. It pisses me off that these people arnt being fried on the electric chair. No one ever goes after them, cause lots of people are rapists. Fuck. All you people who know them have to prosecute them now. For the sake of fucking humanity people, go out of the way to lock these fuckers up.

[ransom]

it's depressing what a wasted guy thinks is completely acceptable, and im not saying they've all got bad intentions but they're almost always forceful be it physically or otherwise, probably without realizing it. but they should realize it, and it's shitty because very few guys feel that same kind of pressure that girls tend to feel a lot of times from guys around them. so they just dont get it.

its just fucked up to think about. and it sucks.

[willy.wonka]

Originally posted by WOTUP
U consider those ppl friendz bro??Get ya fukn head read mate!!

my head is fine.you people are so fucking blind to what my point was.

shit happens

[ana]

hmmm...I think you have to give me a little more to go on than that TEARZ. But I would doubt it.

[HOST18 DYM]

Originally posted by TEARZ
[b]specifically, what i'm thinking about is that 1 in 8 women have been raped in their lifetime. that's just reported cases, so probably many more go unreported...

Spreading unfounded statistics is not cool. Get your facts straight and do your homework.

[ana]

Its actually 1 in 2 women and 1 in 3 men will be sexually assaulted at one point in their lives. (From the Badgley commision for the gov't of Canada) I used to be a peer sex & health educator so I have a lot of these useless facts lying around.

[KsM]

^thats some crazy shit^

[KsM]

and one in every 7 rapes are probablly me.........:D j/j......

[sneak]

that aint funny you dick^^

[imported_SKUMBALUCKAH]

I know a few girls who have told me their fantacy is to be raped.


that gave me the horn.

[yoink]

theres not much to be said that hasnt allready, its nice to see some very good and valid stories being shared (TEARZ, wonka, KaBar..etc..)albeit it is a sad topic...
its shit like this that just invigorates the fuck outta me when the godamn human right tree hugging pussies try to change a convicted molestor, rapist etc.. life or viewpoint on life, set his ass free after a few months or something equally ridicolous then hes found godamn raping a ten year old boy two days later....now i know that may seem greatly exaggerated and a tad bit angry but it has happened, will happen, and i have no sympathy for anyone that treats others like prey...cold blooded murderers etc....kinda a little right wing but hey...just pisses me off.
and like pistol said its sad that people have to live in fear that something horrible could happen to them...that it is a great reality.

[HSKillers]

Id say the only rapists that need to be killed are those who rape young children or people spreading HIV knowingly. Because children who are raped usually go on to rape and create more scum......Like I know yall feel sorry for rape victims but what about the rapists who are raping cause they were molested at one time and couldnt get help....why dont we feel the same remorse for them................

[batsnake]

because if anybody should know better they should.

[HSKillers]

Originally posted by batsnake
because if anybody should know better they should.

Ur a fuckin idiot..If an 5 year old kid gets raped and grows up in an abusive home without help, you think its really very logical that hes going to be a productive member of society...please....of course he or she will know how terrible it felt but theyre going to get off to getting that power back by raping/ beating/or killing....I dont feel sorry for them but a lot of people on here feel really sorry fore people who have been raped but what do they feel for rapists who are a product of their environment and at one point was the little boy/girl being raped....Can u imagine the despair they must live in and one of the only ways to releave it is to rape.........And Im talking about like serial rapists, physcotic types....

Not condoning rape just wondering what you all think about that...........

[yoink]

Originally posted by HSKillers
If an 5 year old kid gets raped and grows up in an abusive home without help, you think its really very logical that hes going to be a productive member of society...

then one would think they would seek help or someone would rach out to them because of their ill fate...but...in this instance...say even this person sought help...didnt work...he rapes, molests, goes to jail...stays or gets out on parole...continues to rape, molest..etc...i still wouldnt give a shit if he was off the streets, either in a cell or six feet under...

[TEARZ]

Originally posted by HOST18 DYM
Spreading unfounded statistics is not cool. Get your facts straight and do your homework.

go grind your self-righteous axe elsewhere, brah. my "unfounded statistics" can be found on pretty much all of the major rape organizations web pages and are corroborated by US Dept of Justice stats through '99. all reasonably intelligent people also know that statistics are extremely wishy-washy anyway- you can find different and conflicting stats on any subject you wish. i used these #s because they seemed reasonable and i justwanted to get people thinking.
now, if you want to talk about how these numbers might be inflated/underreported, what % might actually be reported, that's a different story. most agencies estimate that only 1/3 to 1/2 of rapes are actually reported- pushing my #'s up to 1 in 4 or less.
but you asserted absolutely nothing in your statement. typical 12oz.

[batsnake]

man if someone fucked me as a kid id probably kill him 20 years later. no doubt youd have an issue. i just cant understand how people can fuck thier problems away. i can understand wanting to beat someone to death, but how do you get your sex on under these circumstances. i know it happens but idont care a rapist is one level up fron child molester and one level down from murderer.

[HSKillers]

Originally posted by TEARZ
go grind your self-righteous axe elsewhere, brah.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA....U actually said brah........

[batsnake]

whoa brah thats totally ganarly.

[KRONOLOGIK]

Where the fuck did all these rookies come from

[batsnake]

fuck a web site ill school you all day......................

[KRONOLOGIK]

:lol: o.k. suck my dick bitch

[batsnake]

oh no. how can i be a member. maybe ill just sit here and post everything i possibly can so that one day i can achieve the ultimate goal of being down with the 12 oz prophets and canada too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spin_HOF]

ok im 19 right i had a pretty fucked up childhood parents are both drug addicts and so when i was like 11 i lived with my brother. my brother use to run this little gang in our small town they use to rob houses and sell drugs and all sorts of small shit like that well one of his friends (agirl) got drugged by some fuckin pussys at a party(three of them) well she turned them in and everything and two of them went to jail well the other one was 17 and like 2 or3 months later he got the charges droped , well this fucker ended up at a party where my brother was at .my brother and like 4 of his friends stuff the fool in the trunk of a LTD and we went like to the middle of fucking nowhere they pulled him outta the car and beat his ass for like 2 hours straight (including kicking his head into a rock) well the cops found him like two months later and said he died from massive head wounds or some shit like that they they just ruled it off as a gang realated killingi havent thought of that shit in years andthis thread really got me thinking about it(this is my first post kuz i forgot my pw and had to get a new sign in name)

[batsnake]

sounds like he got away with killing a shitbag, which is 50/50 in my book, but you probably shouldnt tell the world.