Freight fatigue

[Cracked Ass]

This could be called "getting jaded", and I don't want to point any fingers because I'm guilty of all the things I'm about to mention. But...
Lately I'm sick of looking at freight pieces, unless there's something really outstanding about them. Not so much tired of styles: I'm tired of the same old placement of freight pieces, particularly on boxcars. Always in the same spot, down low where you can reach, just to the right of the numbers, and second choice is the bar side, and maybe somebody squeezes onto the door. Same old bottom locked blobs of color in the same place. Maybe once in a while somebody goes e2e by themselves, but they go only for size and it's sloppy or uninspired.
I think freights need a new spark, a greater sense of composition, how the piece relates to the car itself. If you can sit there and burn in the usual spot like Chisme or Hybrid or 21rak, I'm not complaining, but overall heads aren't paying much attention to how their piece looks on a particular car. I keep looking at these extended height boxes, some of them nice and flat, and people are killing each other fighting for the same few square feet along the bottom, and I look up above the numbers and there's this huge blank space, ripe for exploitation.
Of course placement is a function of what everybody can reach, and a lot of spots don't give you much choice, you have to be in and out. But I think people with chill spots should be making better use of freight space. We need more wholecars, more t2bs, e2es, "Hot Wheels" type ideas, productions, diagonal pieces, whatever. If you have a chill spot, and aren't wack, get inspired this year and experiment with positioning, or just do some wholecars.
I hate to resurrect the euro cleans vs. US freights zombie, but in one way some of the Euro haters have a point: they're doing wholecars in the most dangerous, high security spots, and US freight heads with chill spots are putting out these small, unambitious mini-panels.
Like I said, I'm guilty, I have all kinds of crap running. And it's better to get a standard-sized piece in the usual spot than see a blank car. But with style arguments going nowhere, I think the next move on freights is about size, composition, and quality.

[cheesecurd]

so what if you don't have some chill spot?
what if your yard is almost as scary as some euro clean train yard? what if you just fucking hate doing a busted ass throw up for a whole car?
if I lived over there you sure as fuck wouldn't catch me doing some whole train that looked like a silver dipped turd.
what if you don't like cheating with montana paint?

if you're so jaded, do a wall.

if you feel like making it fun again...burn over crappy stamps and tags. this is my new mission. its' about competition. I don't hit the clean boxes anymore if I can help it. I try to rock hard enough so that I dont' leave even a peice of the backround left up. and then you can sleep better knowing that you improved and beautified something.
plus I'll feel better cause I won't have so much crap out there if people would do the same.


I'm defenitly feeling you on how peice placement is slightly uninspired, but how many floaters can take 5 do? (yeah I've seen at least one though.) and if you're bent on squeezing in your peice in, say my favorite part of the box, the far right past the black box and over the ladder...style becomes an issue cause you don't always have proper space to rock strong letters.

to each their own I guess...

you should just be glad that CAP one didn't get into killing fr8's...then everyone would be doing 2 foot high black and whites like "takt" or "maest."
play on players.

[boogie hands]

Originally posted by cheesecurd
if I lived over there you sure as fuck wouldn't catch me doing some whole train that looked like a silver dipped turd.


thats fucking comedy.....

[Mike bibby]

pretty soon all fr8s are going to look like the rockhoppers out of santacruz, just crap over crap on every train, that will be the day i quit fr8s..

[VAITOMANOCU]

i used to have a chill spot which led to me being inspired...but things aint what they used to be

i had dreams of someday doing a wholecar or at least an e2e, but i don't think that'll ever be realized

[El Sodoma]

Just do passenger trains.

[skunkjuice]

i'm into it..
what immediately comes to mind is the ges in the top left corner of the train.

and how the fuck is using montana cheating? i don't get it.. maybe its because you don't have to do 2 or 3 coats with crap paint. could be because the colour selection is better though..

[VAITOMANOCU]

i'm also thinking of that geser CHTT...caught that a while ago and it was nice

[porque]

...i understand cracked's complaint but i think the issue has less to do with the lack of style originality and more to do with the lack of numbers inspiration...it's just too damn hard to get your numbers up enough to make a huge difference, there's probably at least a hundred people out there doing 500 freights a year...and they're all just rockin panels...i'm all for gettin creative and i'm interested to see some new spark to the freights...but i also have to say that i love the way a piece sits on a panel...

[ghostvandal]

i went alone tonight and i tried to do what you said. I did my piece at the right end (I put tape on the #) and on the ladder. and it came out suprisingly pretty clean. I just hope it wont be gone tomorow as i go get my flicks

[imported_Sorc bcj]

you should just be glad that CAP one didn't get into killing fr8's...then everyone would be doing 2 foot high black and whites like "takt" or "maest."
play on players. [/B][/QUOTE]

for the record, maest rocks...

[curious]

the rails need more color and larger pieces.
oh well, im doing my part.

[cheesecurd]

for the record, I'm not hating, not even when a dude that writes sorc went over a half assed e2e done for my birthday. graffiti on trains is awesome.

http://www.geocities.com/meatdrapetrains3/sorc1.jpg

[Average White Railfan]

personally, im a panel type. I hear and understand the argument. but even when I find chill spots, where I would have the time to pull off a t2b, or an upside piece I wouldn’t. for the simple fact I like panels. second of all, I hate floaters on trains. so if I ever did anything on the upside of a freight, it would have to be a t2b, as to keep my open bottom philosophy. which brings me to my next point. I’m not trying to beat the fossil of a horse, but I think its unfair to compare European writers ability to pull off whole cars with American freight writers whole-cars. I’ve never been to Europe, but knowing a little bit about public transportation, I’m sure the majority of writers painting whole-cars over there are taking advantage of catwalks in tunnels and yards. I’ve never seen a catwalk in a freight yard. some spots may have a dock or if you get lucky you can catch a box car or whatever next to a gondola or inter-modal car. but the majority of American freight whole cars are done by diehard motherfuckers who have the stamina, to tote big ass ladders, and ample paint out to the lay-up, and in all honesty, that just isn’t me, I just don’t have it in me to spend 6 hours WORKING on one piece. And if that makes me a lazy no good son of a bitch, than so be it. I also hate painting on ladders, even when its a full on legal wall, so there is no way in hell I’m carrying one out to a train yard. To top it all off, when you got guys like Zore and king 157 running around pulling off t2b, e2es’, on holyrollers, with style, not just huge roll paint block busters, it doesn’t do much for your self-esteem.

To the argument of boredom with styles however, I think cats like Lewis (with the walk the plank piece) or Mber with the chick magnet, and the “e” is outta here piece, or nsf (with the hot wheels car) or even that guy gore-b with those scenic pieces are definitely providing that variety, for me at least. I like fun looking graffiti, with a gimmick. I can say I would certainly like to see more. But I’m satistfied just seeing graffiti on trains, from the cars killed with tags and hollows, to the run of the mill styles, to whole cars.

Waste of space. Hmmmmm. Good point, I never looked at it like that since there are still so many untouched cars, but I see the point. What I think is an even bigger waste of space is how biased a lot freight writers are when it comes to car selection. I know writers in cities with endless fields of grainers, gondolas, tanks etc, but nobody paints them…everybody wants the boxcars. So I stand there benching and a grainer, or a gray belly unit rolls by with nothing on it, maybe a tag and a shore piece at best. Meanwhile people are fighting over boxcar space. I’ve made it a point NOT to touch any boxcars this year. For me its high time to get running on all the shit that most writers turn their nose up at.

[imported_Sorc bcj]

Originally posted by cheesecurd
for the record, I'm not hating, not even when a dude that writes sorc went over a half assed e2e done for my birthday. graffiti on trains is awesome.

http://www.geocities.com/meatdrapetrains3/sorc1.jpg

e-mail me.

[asoka]

Sorc is not good at all.

[porque]

...pope...i feel you on the boring lines of hoppers and grainers...but come on you just said you're a panel guy and now you're saying you're not gonna touch a boxcar this year...bs...hell i'll do a grey belly now and then, but if i do it's cause i'm going out with a few heads and we're gonna e2e that bitch...but if i'm out by myself you better believe i'm lookin for boxcars...so go ahead and leave em alone cause that's more for me...



...ps...FUCK FLOATERS!!!...

[Cracked Ass]

Originally posted by The Pope
I’m not trying to beat the fossil of a horse, but I think its unfair to compare European writers ability to pull off whole cars with American freight writers whole-cars.

Whoa! You are refuting an argument I never made. I did not compare freight wholecars to passenger wholecars, I compared passenger wholecars to anemic, undersized freight panels, those little stamps that are failing to excite me these days. (And again, I've done a million of em myself - I'm not calling people out, just trying to get some discussion.)
If you want to compare freight wholecars with passenger wholecars, then freights are definitely more work unless the passenger is a double-decker. Freight wholecars are damned big - on average, 50 feet long by 14 feet high, and autoracks are bigger. They are a lot of fucking work and I have a lot of respect for people who have done them, especially when they use a million colors and come off stylewise. Many passenger trains, especially at a platform, you don't even need to stand on a crate to go t2b, and a wholecar in that case is maybe the equal of a crate-high freight e2e - security issues aside. In fact even if you factor in the security - a well-guarded transit yard vs. a chill freight layup - a freight wholecar is still a tough project.
Overall, I'm just trying to provoke people into thinking outside the box a little on freights. A lot of the most memorable NYC subway cars were the big projects: Hand of Doom, Dondi, Duster/Lizzie, etc. We could use some of that size and creativity on freights, IF you have a spot chill enough. I understand if you don't like heights - go for a nice e2e instead. I did one last week at a spot where any ladder work would have been suicide, and it came out nice and felt a lot better than churning out another ordinary panel.
I'm not hating at all here, just feeling a little "ehh" about some of the unambitious-looking pieces in the usual spot.

[Frate Raper]

I think e 2 e's are being slept on in the last few years.When I first came out they were rad as fuck and top to bottoms weren't insight and a whole car was your crown. It's almost the normal thing to do a whole car, alot of people do them and they suck.I did one last year it sucked but I'll make up for it and I WILL MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T RAIN.


My point more end to ends they look so cool on a cn flat or autorack....going over shit on trains is cool too.....lets get up and have fun and respect the rails!

[The BLACK Y]

i really dig your ideas,,,i have mention that to some guys that are into fr8s way more than i am a while ago but they weren't catching my drift,,,,,,,i think if you can pull it off in a safe spot go nuts,,some of the most famous subway cars were done with an out side the box mentality ,,,,,doing panels is dope and i can respect wanting alot of pieces under your belt but the huge in your face work gets just as much respect if not more,a few examples,,LEE , SEEN ,DONDI, MIN and nace,,,,,i wasnt big on his style but i can front on the whole cars and end to ends,classic shit,,,,,,,oh and i think some one like cap will appear in the fr8 scene soon enough,history always repeats it self,,,,,,,,,im glad im not alone in this,,,,maybe thats why im not realy into fr8s,alot of restrictions are set on writers by them selfs ,,,,,,which i can respect no one wants to burn a spot and risk getting bagged ,but some time you have to be like fuck it,after all we are writers first .

[razeagainst]

Cracked Ass, you sound like a fucking pro when it comes to freights... any chance i could find out what you write? If you think giving that info out is a bad idea, then don't worry about it... I'm curious though...

[Average White Railfan]

Originally posted by porque
...pope...i feel you on the boring lines of hoppers and grainers...but
come on you just said you're a panel guy and now you're saying you're not
gonna touch a boxcar this year...bs...hell i'll do a grey belly now and then,
but if i do it's cause i'm going out with a few heads and we're gonna e2e that
bitch...but if i'm out by myself you better believe i'm lookin for boxcars...
so go ahead and leave em alone cause that's more for me...



...ps...FUCK FLOATERS!!!...

when i said i am making it a point not to touch boxcars this year
i meant that like im not going out of my
way to touch them. I have already got a few, and
thats only because I wasn't driving. but in any event
ill rock a pannel on a grey belly or grainer just as fast as if it was a
box car. but i am certianly feeling your point about e2es' on
hoppers. if there are two writers together id rather see
two pannels on a boxcar than 8fools squeezed in together on one boxcar (not taking into account circumstances that might force people to that). and if e2es
are in order, than hoppers are the best car for the job. grey belly or grainer.
over the years ive grown less and less fond of e2es on boxcars, even the ones ive been a part of.
the boxcar door just throws the whole thing off.
even though ive seen people rock the door, it still distorts the flow of all the pieces.
the one man e2e works well on the boxcar, or even 2 panels with a crew or connecting cloud on the door. all that shit is gravy. but the other problem that comes with boxcars now a days is a lot of them are now occupied. so it becomes a matter of either taking shit out, sparing fools which cuts into my fun. a decision i hate having to make. im never doing another door again though, unless its a thro up.
dont get me wrong i like boxcars, but i just see too many, other cars, not touched,
so im gonna do my little bit to spread the love.


Originally posted by Cracked Ass
I'm just trying to provoke people into thinking outside the
box a little on freights. A lot of the most memorable NYC subway cars
were the big projects: Hand of Doom, Dondi, Duster/Lizzie, etc. We
could use some of that size and creativity on freights, IF you have a
spot chill enough. I understand if you don't like heights - go for a
nice e2e instead. I did one last week at a spot where any ladder work
would have been suicide, and it came out nice and felt a lot better
than churning out another ordinary panel.
I'm not hating at all here, just feeling a little "ehh" about some of
the unambitious-looking pieces in the usual spot.

thanks for the clarity. i agree with everything you said though.
and its not so much the heights i dont like
its the WORK of climbing up and down a ladder 157 times im most afraid of.
i would like to set up a few of e2e projects this year though. more than
just names and connecting clouds too, which are fresh if you ask me,
but like you said it is getting a little monotonous. i too am often
inspired by old transit cars. and true the most memorable ones are the big ones,
but there are a lot of pannels and e2es that are simply awe inspiring,
and they consist of nothing more than a name, sick ass color scheme and
a fruit filled cloud. unlike most, i believe in limits for graffiti, particularly
on freights. i think its good to rock a fair share of pannels, just to keep
the style juice flowing. the individual well of creativity however, should be
tapped in moderation as not to have it run dry. if not, the next thing you know
some fool is gonna be on here talking about how he did 2000 creatively superior
whole cars in 4 months.

[Average White Railfan]

okay well maybe not all e2es' on boxcars look distorted, because this one is off the rictor scale. but youknowhatimsprayin!

http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthrea...&threadid=36665 (http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36665)

[The BLACK Y]

also some one made a good point about the eventual lack free panel space,,,,,,even though the fr8 lines are way bigger than the nyc transit system, space was an issue as well in ny. To resolve that issue they started to do bigger work or just really do burners when going over some ones shit. If one day your yard is over comed with simples by other people and your left with no space you have 2 choices. Leave and find a new spot or go bigger and more complex while going over the comp,,,its all about burning the comp,,i may be wrong but its just an opinoin.

[Cracked Ass]

On the "a freight Cap is coming" tip, it's harder to get ragged if you painted up high, fools have to exert themselves.

[boogie hands]

i have no idea where this covo has gone...i just read the initinal question/statement...

i think the problem is most feight spots dont allow for anything more...the ladder/hump area is about the best most people can do outside of painting the usual spots....anthing else requires ladders or loading docks...ladders arent the best things to tote to spots and it seems that painting the loading dock side of a spot could easily put heat on an othewise relaxed layup....what are you left with???

its unfortunate but thats what a lot of us have to work with...granted its refreshing to see a floater on a boxcar but not all of us are lucky enough to have the opprotunity to do things like that....

[grittylifer]

i try to make every one at least 8 panels. thats two panels in on the door and all the way to the end of the ladder.
sometimes i slack.
and as far as being hard doing freights?
i deal with gangsters, heroin addicts, crackheads, tweakers, hookers, toys, cops, live trains and the occasional helicopter.
fuck a wall. at least i know my shits gonna run. i have seen peices come back 5 years later untouched.

[imported_Cup 'O Soup]

When the freight CAP is prominent i'll give up trying to remotely accomplish anthing descent. Ive always loved that freights last longer than any wall. You contend with the buff, but only in a figurative sense. When you find writers and people acually, personally bent on covering other peoples graffiti, then you'll see the death of this train culture as we live it now. The feeling of mutuall respect on the rails while be totally lost. You alread have writers buffing freights with the proper car colour and not even hitting the car. There is a beginning to the breakdown of a feeling of comradery(sp) and the respect of a fellow vandal, yes this crap is still illegal.. when a person chooses to do the same as you and commit a crime with the same intrests.. in the communication and display of text.. in whatever form.. there is no right granted to another vandal to cover that person's work with their own. Clearly, spot checks take the forefront in the matter.. but rolling over what you think is crap is horrible. You don't have the right and you never did.

[grittylifer]

come on though, tell me capping wack graffiti is not the funnest.
besides, i got plenty of shits out there i hope someone has capped. my forty ounce victimized styles have been put to rest for the most part. i didnt even take flicks. fuck it.
and besides with the numbers involved-a good year is what? over 300? who gives a fuck if you lose 20 or 30 or even forty or fifty.
its all about end to ends with your clique. cause most fools wont fuck with that shit unless they go over you.
fuck it though.
nyc shit got ran over all the time.
really though as long as you burn its all good.
i have seen countless peices get gone over while the person who painted it was walking away.

[The BLACK Y]

its interesting on how some of you guys use the term "death of the fr8 scene ". I respect that you do what you can in your power to prolong fr8s running with graff on them. What happens if fr8s stop running next week will some of you stop writing because you cant rock trains. I would hope not, but some people seem so against walls . No one says you have to do a week long production,,, street bombing can be as much fun as a train. I feel like throw ups are becoming a last art. I really enjoy seeing people fill ins on fr8s,it can be such a nice change of pace as well instead of the usual panel, again the content of whats being done needs some variety Im surprised more people havent been doing roller paint tags on the flat hoppers, on some cost revs approach. oh well , im sure im wrong cause i dont get to se whats really going down out there.

[ghostvandal]

cheesecurd the picture is not working..damn geocities, could you post the flick please i'd really like to see it..
as for the end2ends/wholecar issue, for me its really an economic question. Im really broke. I fill with wow paint and 1.99$ canadian tire. I prefer doing 3-4 panels than 1 e2e. But sometimes i get some silver and do e2e every once in a while. I gotta get a job this summer..

[imported_Sorc bcj]

Originally posted by ghostvandal
cheesecurd the picture is not working..damn geocities, could you post the flick please i'd really like to see it..



yeah, i can't see it either and i'm curious. i've only gone over one train consciously and i thought that issue was dead. wasn't my problem to begin with. all i wanted to say is that maest paints a lot and in my opinion does it well.

now that i've taken enough away from this thread i might as well give an opinion to the topic. there are too many freights out there for writers to not get caught up in trying to produce as many pieces as possible. so unless your trying to do a burner, take a flick and send it out to a mag, your gonna do simple little panels that are consistent and recognizable with the idea that you'll have a better chance of having one spotted. after doing this for a while you'll probably get sick of it and feel the need to go bigger or better and lose the need for quantity. a majority of the writers hitting frieghts have been doing it for a while now and have high numbers so i think quality, size and placement will change, it was just a matter of time, while the newer generation may still be trying to make a dent numbers wise. As far as floating goes, i'd rather see the same old panel...i personally don't like a piece that doesn't bottom off the train unless there is a background that does or it's up really high. as far as running out of space and going over people, aside from the above mentioned i try to avoid going over people all the time, streaks included. we all know this is gonna come down to the individual and is inevitable. writers will do what they feel is appropriate.

[oldenglish]

I think as far as the ethics on capping other peices it should be based on age.
if i get some wack peice thats recent ill go right over it without a thought as long as im sure im going to burn it. if i feel the style im always going to let it run. but never cap anything older than you especially hollows and what not. but hey, its not my fault if you didnt paint enough pieces so that if you lose one here and there its going to shatter your fame or whatever. If i paint walls it runs a week at most. or undercover spots that get painted over and over and over.
i have had so much work buffed that i dont even care. as long as you get the flick its not like your going to see it everytime you drive past.
freights have been getting hit with peices since the 80s. Its not the end of the world to go over somebody, but use judgement and show respect.
and as far as all this talk about the culture dying and whatnot, i dont get it...dying? dont you mean the standard got raised to wildstyle wholecar autoracks?
you know?

[loyd]

I think that themes have a tremendous amout of power to them, and I think that it takes size to really have it hit home. When I look at pictures of the old wholecar subways I think about the moment people saw them and how it must have captured their imagination. I do not know if most writers would think that this is corny but I would like to see more work that appeals to children, and not just on trains.

[Average White Railfan]

Originally posted by loyd
I do not know if most writers would think that this is corny but I would like to see more work that appeals to children, and not just on trains.

totally agree with you, and man enouhgh to admit it.


Originally posted by oldenglish
I think as far as the ethics on capping other peices it should be based on age.
if i get some wack peice thats recent ill go right over it without a thought as long as im sure im going to burn it. if i feel the style im always going to let it run. but never cap anything older than you especially hollows and what not. but hey, its not my fault if you didnt paint enough pieces so that if you lose one here and there its going to shatter your fame or whatever. If i paint walls it runs a week at most. or undercover spots that get painted over and over and over.
i have had so much work buffed that i dont even care. as long as you get the flick its not like your going to see it everytime you drive past.
freights have been getting hit with peices since the 80s. Its not the end of the world to go over somebody, but use judgement and show respect.
and as far as all this talk about the culture dying and whatnot, i dont get it...dying? dont you mean the standard got raised to wildstyle wholecar autoracks?
you know?

thats interesting, if I feel like i can burn the piece i will go right over it.
clearly there will be someone who thinks they can burn your piece and they will go right over it,
whos to say which of you is right. im not trying to be confrontational but i hear this a lot from writers...even my own crew. its like ok lets battle...okay who will judge?
im feeling you on getting salty about getting your shit covered though. i dont paint a lot at all, but if someone takes out my piece with a bigger piece, to the point that i cant even recognise the car than its all good, because ive done it, so the karma is expected.

as far as going over old pieces, those are the ones i would leave alone. if theres a piece from 93 on the only car in the lay-up ill turn around and go home. on the other hand if theres a piece thats 6 onths old but its "fresh" on the only car in the lay-up....its more like...what piece, i didnt see any piece.
its foolish to get into the whole i can burn it so ill go over it thing. thats so subjective that its not even worth speaking on. all ill say is if i have enough paint to completely cover it than consider it wiped out.


Originally posted by The BLACK Y
its interesting on how some of you guys use the term "death of the fr8 scene ". I respect that you do what you can in your power to prolong fr8s running with graff on them. What happens if fr8s stop running next week will some of you stop writing because you cant rock trains. I would hope not, but some people seem so against walls . No one says you have to do a week long production,,, street bombing can be as much fun as a train. I feel like throw ups are becoming a last art. I really enjoy seeing people fill ins on fr8s,it can be such a nice change of pace as well instead of the usual panel, again the content of whats being done needs some variety Im surprised more people havent been doing roller paint tags on the flat hoppers, on some cost revs approach. oh well , im sure im wrong cause i dont get to se whats really going down out there.

if freights stopped running next week i would probably resort to legal walls. i never got into street bombing, and would feel so behind and out of the loop that it wouldnt even be worth it. especially in nyc. figgettaboutit.

i would like to see more fillins on trains though. like few writers out there i love thro ups. contrary to popular belief, it takes pounds of skill to develop a sick ass thro up. or maybe i just think that cause um frum brooklyn.

[oldenglish]

Originally posted by The Pope

thats interesting, if I feel like i can burn the piece i will go right over it.
clearly there will be someone who thinks they can burn your piece and they will go right over it,
whos to say which of you is right. im not trying to be confrontational but i hear this a lot from writers...even my own crew. its like ok lets battle...okay who will judge?
im feeling you on getting salty about getting your shit covered though. i dont paint a lot at all, but if someone takes out my piece with a bigger piece, to the point that i cant even recognise the car than its all good, because ive done it, so the karma is expected.

as far as going over old pieces, those are the ones i would leave alone. if theres a piece from 93 on the only car in the lay-up ill turn around and go home. on the other hand if theres a piece thats 6 onths old but its "fresh" on the only car in the lay-up....its more like...what piece, i didnt see any piece.
its foolish to get into the whole i can burn it so ill go over it thing. thats so subjective that its not even worth speaking on. all ill say is if i have enough paint to completely cover it than consider it wiped out.






Me getting salty? naww fool, your trippen.
the way i look at it, even if someone goes over me my piece still ran longer than it would under the scrutiny of the buff. If you go over my piece, im not going to get on the internet and bitch about it, rest assured hopefully i would have done dozens more by the time its been goneover so i dont really care. I try to paint as big ass possible so people dont go over me due to size. Also, as far as "burning" goes. I judge pieces based on letters and style i dont go over what i like and hope i get the same respect. but fuckit, i get flicks and my shit rolls out so i know it runs no matter what. im far from salty. Perhaps im overzealous on going over other people, but only when its necesarry and i can tell you that i have seen dozens upon dozens of ugly no style having toy shits that rollin and dont roll out. so its pretty much go over something half the time or more.
also, i dont go over established heads that I have seen lots of trains from. If i see one piece thats a meager three panels and i never heard of you before, when mine are usually half a car, sorry guy, if it looked good you know i got a flick for you before it got gone over.

[Dick Quickwood]

streak peices are the future

[worldoflies]

the emphasis on numbers is the answer to your problem. but painting a single freight is like throwing a bottle in the ocean. so people try to maximize exposure by doing 1000's of simple, small, boring peices that they can churn out with no thought. if writers could be more sure that one freight by itself would be seen, they would put more effort into it.

for a lot of us, we were told when we started painting freights that you have to do peices, throw ups are no good. so many writers sought to satisfy this in a technical sense only, obey the letter of the "law" but not the spirit. now i think the spirit of freight painting for most people has become painting peices as if they were throwups.

[imported_b0b]

Word to cracked to this thread.

I'm not in the USA, so it isn't the freight scene that does this, but sometimes seeing everyone doing the same things in the same spots bores me far too much. A bit of original thought and innovation would be great.

[Dick Quickwood]

street bomb

[rob deer]

I think it really really sucks when even graffitists have attention defecit. I don't think I'll ever get sick of it.

[nightwalker831]

no pics

[Load Limit]

You bumped a thread from 2003 to say "no pics" that makes complete sense

[Dr. Dose]

ya wtf lol. good read none the less

[LadysmithBlackMambazo]

Opening words by Cracked are spot on I think. Maybe you don't/ can't bring a ladder to the yard, but you can climb the ladder on a train. When someone works with the edge of a car I always take a second look/ save that shit to the desktop. As for floaters/ not floaters - it really doesn't have to be either/or. First letter touches down, second rises up, etc. All that shit's cool. In fact - I think composition on the car is the number one thing that gets my attention - when it's changed up, that's the first thing I pay attention to. That's not to say that a solid spot between the numbers and the door is bad composition - It's great composition, but so standard it's basically invisible and you just pay attention to the other aspects of the piece. Even among those of course some are composed much better than others - some work with that little dip in the bottom edge, or push off of the door. It's also interesting when people go really small, like theory, or really low, like berzerker.
I'm going to post a few pictures, probably all stolen - I can't tell anymore, they're just part of that mass of pictures of "pieces of note" on my computer at this point - of interesting compositions. That Aest in particular caught my imagination when I was about 14 and didn't know what a panel was. Imitate that shit. Also paint coal cars.

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/ladysmithblackmambazo/peace.jpg
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http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/ladysmithblackmambazo/Audio.jpg
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/ladysmithblackmambazo/berzerker2.jpg
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/ladysmithblackmambazo/berzerker.jpg
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/ladysmithblackmambazo/dopeaest.jpg
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/ladysmithblackmambazo/kayah.jpg

[LadysmithBlackMambazo]

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/ladysmithblackmambazo/sisi.jpg
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http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp125/ladysmithblackmambazo/theory.jpg