experimenting

[rize415]

[img]http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00278711f00000261.jpg'>

[seap/seep]

1st.................stop right now.



http://www.graffx303.com/

[anonymity1]

experimenting with what? Seems like a simple to me.

[1HalfOfMe]

seems alright but allitle more simple and some color...no need for all the weird block endings

[mr_president]

:eek: ----------> :king:

jk!

[TerraRyzeR]

:o

[sludgenuts]

looks like the rest of your stuff...SHIT!

[Methodz]

It's not bad man...

[WALE!pd]

it doesnt have any flow, it doesnt fit together none of the letters look like they belong there. its obvious you havent been writing that long but keep working on simples they are the base for anything you wanna do in graffiti..

[maekr]

Originally posted by anonymity1
experimenting with what?

[rize415]

its just something different for me. thats why i called it "experimenting"

[AORAone]

cant see a thing.......

[ezaROne]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
looks like the rest of your stuff...SHIT!

[TerraRyzeR]

Thats the best R u done so far;)

[EveryWhere]

Yeah R is only good letter. i actually like the R

[NOUM]

nice & simple i love it:king:

[nick5542]

i like the r and the e fix the rest:idea:

[Daze One Million]

Originally posted by seap65atf
1st.................stop right now.


:lol:

[Joker]

Experimenting? Sorry kid. When you experiment you take things to a whole new level. Experimenting is best kept for things which you know you'll never be able to paint, much less care to. You experiment with ideas that will break ground.

October 1993... a little experiment I did. Based on electrical drawings from the early 30's and 40's. Says 'SIE' but the E was never completed. Though it's there in it's simplest form... three horizontal lines.

[anonymity1]

Its crazy how on the internet you are able to get Joker to critique your work. All these toys are lucky they got all this guidance.

[imported_Tesseract]

Jesus joker, thats fuckin sick...brilliant...have you seen some similar stuff that dude from holland ZEDZ was painting on trains for a while?

[beardo]

zedz is fucking sick

[TerraRyzeR]

:eek: :eek:
DAMN THAT IS REALLY ILL
U R 1 SICK GRAFF WRITER

[rize415]

Originally posted by anonymity1
Its crazy how on the internet you are able to get Joker to critique your work. All these toys are lucky they got all this guidance.
if by critiquing u mean saying i'll never be able to paint something decent, then yes. it is crazy. but oh well. i'll live.

[beardo]

thats not what he said at all, man.

[rize415]

ok i just realized...sorry. i guess i won't use the word 'experimenting' when i try to do a different outline then.

[melty]

You are a lucky little bastard! No offence.

[AORAone]

all i have to say is that i hate joker......too damn good

[NOUM]

Originally posted by MLTf4nt0m
all i have to say is that i hate joker......too damn good :lol: humor..i love it..

[aimsTOplease]

relax rize is a girl, a little one too

[Joker]

Originally posted by rize415
if by critiquing u mean saying i'll never be able to paint something decent...

I never said you will never be a decent writer. What I said was that experimenting is when you go beyond all normal means and shoot for the stars. It could be something as far off as possible that you know deep down you'll never be able to paint. Much less care to. It could also be something that will inspire ideas that you will be able to paint. If the outline you posted was something you wouldn't normally do, then you were progressing... not experimenting. There's a huge difference. Both are good steps to take, and I would never shoot you down for either. I basically took your use of the word 'experimenting' too literal, on purpose, and saw it as a good opportunity to post something that's been sitting in a folder for years.

The Rize outline isn't bad. If it were me, I would have kept the top bars of the I and Z straight and made the lower case E, upper. The flow of the piece would have been smoother. And I would also have made the I a little higher than the R. The Z a little lower than the I and the E a little higher than the Z. You know what I mean? The straight bottom line thing works good for old California style funk pieces and old Baltimore spaghetti pieces. But when it comes to simples, it just falls short. That's my opinion though..

[Joker]

Thanks for the good words guys.

Tess, no... I haven't seen the old Zedz cars. Is there a link I could check out?

[imported_Tesseract]

Joker, you got mail.

[imported_Tesseract]

Actually, you dont...I got a Unable to deliver message to the following address message, hit me with a valid address on [email protected] if you like.

[Al Green]

Originally posted by Tesseract
Jesus joker, thats fuckin sick...brilliant...have you seen some similar stuff that dude from holland ZEDZ was painting on trains for a while?

i recently worked on a group show which showcased some work by zeds and some architects in zee nederlands.

i love that place.. even though the food wasnt anything to write home about.

the clogs... the tulips... the women...

[eseLokE1uno]

that shit is crazy did you also design it to function?

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by Al Green
i recently worked on a group show which showcased some work by zeds and some architects in zee nederlands.

i love that place.. even though the food wasnt anything to write home about.

the clogs... the tulips... the women...

Agreed, wonderfull place...was that the project that Delta and some others participated as well?...if yes, its a shame when so dope writers do so weak stuff.

[imported_Tesseract]

...I'll just post it here, i was wrong, that stuff was on walls, not trains...still awesome:
[img]http://www.fuckthebuff.com/tesseract/zedz1.jpg'>
Scanned from a 95' Bombers Magazine (Dutch)

[DEFCON2.0]

Yo that looks like that fake chinesse writing that linkin park used on there first CD if I were you id experiment with something else like good letters............:lol:

[Joker]

Originally posted by eseLokE1uno
that shit is crazy did you also design it to function?

That was really the whole plan. My whole thing about pieces are that they should be able to function once finished. That if you start from one point it'll basically end up where it should. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it does to me. All it really means is that every line drawn should have a purpose to the rest. If you're adding lines to fill space, they serve no purpose. They aren't a part of the whole machine. How many engineers do you know of that add dumb shit to fill space in a machine or building? None. Because there's no need for it. And that was my approach to writing back then and I still hold on to it today. The experiment posted above is a working diagram. All steming from the battery and switches. Well, it's a working diagram from what little I know about electricity diagrams.

[eseLokE1uno]

i thought so, very dope. you should construct one for your next show:idea:

[HECZONER]

SPEECHLESS!!!!





NICE APPROACH!! BUT DOES ABSTRACT REALLY EVER WORK? ISN'T IT ABSTRACT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK, ITS NOT SOMETHING ORDINARY, NOT SOMETHING VALID TO WHAT WE SEE AS SOMETHING NORMAL, SO... THE QUESTION!! DOES ABSTRACT REALLY WORK?> (AND I MEAN, OUR ABSTRACT, YOUR ABSTRACT!! OFCOURSE TO NON GRAFF HEADS THE LETTERS THAT WE CREATE ARE ABSTRACT, I LOVE YOUR WORK CUZ YOU TOOK SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY ABSTRACT AND MADE THAT ABSTRACT ((IF THAT MAKES SENSE)) IT DOES TO ME~! BUT YEAH, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE WHOLE MAKIN IT WORK AND NOT USE USELESS THINGS JUS TO FILL SPACE. I KNOW I DO IT!! I DONT THINK I'VE DONE ANYTHING AT ALL THAT DIDNT HAVE USELESS PIECES ON MY PIECE!! NO BULLSHIT JOKER, YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOUR NAME TO. PROFESSOR JOKE!! FROM CALLING OUT STYLES THAT PIECES RESEMBLE TO, TO EXPLAININ SHIT LIKE THIS. IF YOU EVER TEACH A GRAFF CLASS REST ASURE I'LL SIT FRONT ROW, AND WILL BRING YOU AN APPLE EVERY DAY!! ;)

[melty]

I will be in the back corner shooting spitwads toward the front and scribbing on the desk. Coming in all late, smelling like trees.

[rize415]

Originally posted by Joker
I never said you will never be a decent writer. What I said was that experimenting is when you go beyond all normal means and shoot for the stars. It could be something as far off as possible that you know deep down you'll never be able to paint. Much less care to. It could also be something that will inspire ideas that you will be able to paint. If the outline you posted was something you wouldn't normally do, then you were progressing... not experimenting. There's a huge difference. Both are good steps to take, and I would never shoot you down for either. I basically took your use of the word 'experimenting' too literal, on purpose, and saw it as a good opportunity to post something that's been sitting in a folder for years.

The Rize outline isn't bad. If it were me, I would have kept the top bars of the I and Z straight and made the lower case E, upper. The flow of the piece would have been smoother. And I would also have made the I a little higher than the R. The Z a little lower than the I and the E a little higher than the Z. You know what I mean? The straight bottom line thing works good for old California style funk pieces and old Baltimore spaghetti pieces. But when it comes to simples, it just falls short. That's my opinion though..
gotcha.

[anonymity1]

It's all abstract, the second your pen or whatever touches the surface.

[HECZONER]

what if you're writing a letter?

[swiss cheese]

That was really the whole plan. My whole thing about pieces are that they should be able to function once finished. That if you start from one point it'll basically end up where it should. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it does to me. All it really means is that every line drawn should have a purpose to the rest. If you're adding lines to fill space, they serve no purpose. They aren't a part of the whole machine. How many engineers do you know of that add dumb shit to fill space in a machine or building? None. Because there's no need for it. And that was my approach to writing back then and I still hold on to it today. The experiment posted above is a working diagram. All steming from the battery and switches. Well, it's a working diagram from what little I know about electricity diagrams.



I edited what I wrote originally because I'm not an electrician, i live with an electrician and I'm an architect. I cant say for sure whether it would actually function, but the idea and concept are great.
I enjoy "mapping" or relating graffiti and art to the more scientific arts as you have done.
In school I once designed a NYC police station based on Graffiti. The concept was driven more on the letter structure and aesthetic of graffiti, than the culture. I dont feel like describing it now, but the point is the final product "worked" as a functional system where each piece needed the other.

[HECZONER]

id love to see a pic of that!

[ToYs]

Originally posted by Joker
That was really the whole plan. My whole thing about pieces are that they should be able to function once finished. That if you start from one point it'll basically end up where it should. I know that doesn't make sense to you, but it does to me. All it really means is that every line drawn should have a purpose to the rest. If you're adding lines to fill space, they serve no purpose. They aren't a part of the whole machine. How many engineers do you know of that add dumb shit to fill space in a machine or building? None. Because there's no need for it. And that was my approach to writing back then and I still hold on to it today. The experiment posted above is a working diagram. All steming from the battery and switches. Well, it's a working diagram from what little I know about electricity diagrams.

WOW. I never really had thought of it in that way until ths day, i could never understand why i couldnt bring myself to ad those dumb little extra lines to make my piece more complete, i was considering trying it too. now im not. thank you.

[ctrl+alt+del]

Originally posted by rize415
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iwouldnt say anythign normally but i just though wwow tats soofamiliar

[rize415]

^^^ where are those from?

[TerraRyzeR]

there is 1 a rize in boson , nyc , la every where TERRA-RYZE-R;)

[melty]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ^^^^^^:cool:

[rize415]

alrighty..

[rize415]

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[Neskoner]

Originally posted by Joker
Experimenting? Sorry kid. When you experiment you take things to a whole new level. Experimenting is best kept for things which you know you'll never be able to paint, much less care to. You experiment with ideas that will break ground.

October 1993... a little experiment I did. Based on electrical drawings from the early 30's and 40's. Says 'SIE' but the E was never completed. Though it's there in it's simplest form... three horizontal lines.

Beautiful..:dazed:

[ctrl+alt+del]

Originally posted by rize415
^^^ where are those from?


seattle. those are just his simples, im not gonna post his other stuff for you.