Supreme Court Up Holds Racism

[Kettiecat]

Schools can consider race in admissions


The U.S. Supreme Court today ruled that universities can consider an applicant's race to achieve a diverse student body.

The court ruled 5-4 to uphold the U-M Law School's admissions policy, giving universities permission to continue affirmative action programs.

But struck down the University of Michigan's controversial undergraduate point system that gave all underrepresented minorities a 20-point advantage on a 150-point scale. ----so you about 15% of the reason some of my fellow class mates got in is because they had dark skin.... hey I tan in the summer and people think I'm mexican...


"victory for higher education and civil rights leaders who argued they needed the policies to ensure integrated campuses"---- cause you know black people must be dumb and can't get in unless we give them some help




ugh I have to go to work and don't have time to fully develop this.

[KING BLING]

The report, released Monday, found that 23.5 percent of black households had Internet access in August. While this was up from 11.2 percent in the 1999 survey, it still lagged behind the rate for white households of 46.1 percent... The percentage of Hispanic households with Internet access stood at 23.6

By state, Utah ranked No. 1 in computer ownership with 66.1 percent of households owning a computer followed by Alaska at 64.8 percent of households. States with the lowest percentage of computer homes were Mississippi at 37.2 percent and Arkansas at 37.3 percent.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyN...port001017.html (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/computerreport001017.html)

[space base]

YOU DONT WANT MY DOGS TO BARK AT YALL!!
YOU DONT WANT MY DOGS TO BARK AT YALL!!

[Dick Quickwood]

i could give a fuck less

[caL]

i dont care, im not goin.

[NOUM]

all courts need to be bom*** and survivors should be judged..







































ignorance is bliss..

[Pilau Hands]

Damn this is one of the most weighted titles to a thread i've seen in a while.

it was all like YO! BLAOW!

[~KRYLON2~]

eh....

[test pattern]

yeah
that's fucking stupid
it's not like blacks have it harder than anyone else

[Tyler Durden]

Originally posted by ARCEL
i could give a fuck less

[DREDZ]

Originally posted by Kettiecat
The U.S. Supreme Court today ruled that universities can consider an applicant's race to achieve a diverse student body.[/b]
hmmm... that doesn't sound like racism to me......

[TEARZ]

this thread makes no kind of sense.

[Kettiecat]

Maybe this bugs me more than most because I go to U of M...


So you have undergrads applying into law school. They have lived in the same community for at least the last four years. they have sat in the same classes, with the same profs, had the same home work, the same access to things like internet and a library. They were equal. BUT when they apply to law school the minorities get a boost because... they are disadvantaged....FUCK that.

[metallix]

GOOD. THIS IS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. THINK ABOUT IT.

[TEARZ]

Originally posted by Kettiecat
Schools can consider race in admissions


so you about 15% of the reason some of my fellow class mates got in is because they had dark skin.... hey I tan in the summer and people think I'm mexican...


ugh I have to go to work and don't have time to fully develop this.

take all the time you need, but you won't be able to develop anything coherent with the start you have going for yourself.

i don't even have the energy for the all too typical 12oz oppressed white kid syndrome, so i'll let your "i get tan in the summer" comment speak for the true depth of this thread.

if you can't get into the law school maybe you can get into the U of M young republicans club?

[BeetNIK]

Originally posted by Kettiecat
Maybe this bugs me more than most because I go to U of M...


So you have undergrads applying into law school. They have lived in the same community for at least the last four years. they have sat in the same classes, with the same profs, had the same home work, the same access to things like internet and a library. They were equal. BUT when they apply to law school the minorities get a boost because... they are disadvantaged....FUCK that.

yes, fuck that...

I would like to make the following points:

the above situation is wack, and is where this policy doesnt work out how it was (suposedly) intended.

also, these 'unrepresented minorites' including primarily black and latinos wouldnt have a problem getting in to these types of school if they weren't neglected, and educated right in the first place. Funding in the city sucks because white people moved out of major cites, yet still control it. If this problem didnt exist neither would this affirmative action bullshit, because it wouldnt be needed. In this situation the 'rich white man' if you will, is kind of admitting, " well we fucked up before, so now we are going to try to make up fo it by letting you people into our schools"

If highschool, actually meant something in the first place you wouldnt need college to get a good job. College should be a place where you study your craft in order to master it, not career training.

but its not like people would actually try to fix a problem the right way now would they, that makes all too much sense.

[BROWNer]

yo fart buster, get on aim, i gotta roll out to the beach with the
quickness and


Originally posted by TEARZ
"tan"

[Pistol]

heh. White people call this "racism"?

Maybe if anything if race was the ONLY factor it would be discrimination but not racism.

It just means they can take into consideration the fact that someone is a minority.

It usually works on a point system.

perfect SAT's - 10 points
minority - 10 points
"urban" - 10 points
athletic ability - 5 points
parents went to the university 20 points

The more points you have the better your chances of getting in there.

But trying to pull that I'm not getting in because some underqualified black kid from Harlem is "getting in cause he's black" is bullshit.
You should be complaining about the kids that get in cause their parents went to college there.

[mental invalid]

could you be any more of a stupid bitch?


racism?

oh right, the ole reverse racism so white people can sleep better at night....

get bent....

[mental invalid]

ps...


im white, and went to prep school, and went to college....

[mental invalid]

the more i read this the more i wonder how the fuck you got into u of m...

what did you use....lemme guess daddy went there.....


i wouldnt complain sister, next thing you know the public will claim that the special ed rules that got you in are racist....

[mental invalid]

wait i know!


youre the stupid dumb white rich bitch i didnt get into law school, who brought this case up!!


arent you, arent you!!!!!!

[nomadawhat]

Originally posted by mr_president
i hate race topics.

:mad:


because you're undecided on your own still???? :lol:

[mental invalid]

HAHAHA!!

no shit

[Poop Man Bob]

I didn't get into U of M Law. And I'm white.

Both true statements, yet I don't believe the second caused the first.

[ctrl+alt+del]

god damn
i hate how this is a racial issue

i know a family who falls under the "minorities" label. The father is a wealthy doctor. They live in a huge mansion. Basically, they are rich as fuck and dont need any money from the government. Because they are a minority they get lots of scholarships and all that bs. Now, explain to me why this kid deserves it more than some piece of white trash male?

I dont believe it should be based on race, but based on income and where youre fam is at on the poverty level.
i dont know. maybe im wrong. maybe you guys can explain to me why it shouldnt be based on your poverty level etc.
i dont disagree with certain people getting extra help, i just see that too often its the wrong people.

[TEARZ]

Originally posted by BROWNer
yo fart buster, get on aim, i gotta roll out to the beach with the
quickness and

haha, i just got back from the beach... holla @ the email with the SN.
-jeff paprikafart

[Kettiecat]

Originally posted by ctrl+alt+del
god damn
i hate how this is a racial issue

i know a family who falls under the "minorities" label. The father is a wealthy doctor. They live in a huge mansion. Basically, they are rich as fuck and dont need any money from the government. Because they are a minority they get lots of scholarships and all that bs. Now, explain to me why this kid deserves it more than some piece of white trash male?

I dont believe it should be based on race, but based on income and where youre fam is at on the poverty level.
i dont know. maybe im wrong. maybe you guys can explain to me why it shouldnt be based on your poverty level etc.
i dont disagree with certain people getting extra help, i just see that too often its the wrong people.




this is the point i was trying to make.
getting into college shouldn't be based on the color of your skin, it shouldn't be based on the fact that mommy and daddy went there, it should be based on what you have achieved.

We need to ask ourselves why people believe affirmative action is necessary, go to the root of the problem. Is it because inner city schools suck? Is it because not enough minorities feel motivated to go to college? Is it because not enough minorities have the money to go? Fix the real problems (whatever they may be) don’t place a band aid on it and hope it just goes away on its own.

[!@#$%]

it's about correcting a bias

maybe most kids forget that segregation only ended in 1960



Jim Crow laws were laws that imposed racial segregation. They existed mainly in the South and originated from the Black Codes that were enforced from 1865 to 1866 and from prewar segregation on railroad cars in northern cities. The laws sprouted up in the late nineteenth century after Reconstruction and lasted until the 1960s.

Brown v Board of Education

that held that blacks could attend the same schools as whites was only in 1954

wake the fuck up fools
AmeriKKKa has been educating whites and offering them oppurtunities for several centuries

they have only been offering the same oppurtunites to blacks for the past 50..

ONE LIFETIME

..and don't forget...
jim crow laws may have changed..but that didn't automatically change the ATTITUDES of the WHITE PEOPLE in POWER

open your eyes.
blacks are owed a chance to right their culture
after centuries if white people beating it down

if anyone isn't convinced..check out the statistics on people who commit crimes versus people incarcerated

our society is still fuckin up the black man
the govt wants him in prison, and to stay in prison

thank god for our level headed supreme court

they can change it to discrimination based on wealth in another hundred years when the racial disparities may have been corrected

[bug]

the presupposition of the title of this thread exudes ignorance.

why is it that you acknowledge replies that agree with you, yet you totally ignore a post like Pistol's that provides a better look at the reality of how much race plays a role in the actual decision.

privilaged suburbanites...

[old*824]

after making a hundred thousand dollars instead of going to college over a little over four years and moving back to a college town.....


i am of the opinion that quite a bit of the mostly white college students are stupid, spoiled, and need they hand held the learn how to be an adult.......


really though.....if your going to college to be a biochemist than much respect..........but if your going to college to rebel, cause you dont know what to do, or because your family tells you must.....


fuck that make money.




this computer sucks.

[effyoo]

$25,000 a year isn't that much, unless you're living at home.

[old*824]

nahhh...its not all that....but considering i had nothing but a ged and jail time with a half a dozen quit jobs on the resume its not to shabby.


besides..........i was selected for a job over many people with college educations and turned that shit down.

[mapo returns]

affirmative action is straight bullshit, and so is this decision.

like i told esai, it actually makes it worse for black college students - and the country as a whole. some of you people are just so quick to defend any type of action which appears to be pro-black on its surface that you fail to really think about the issue and its effects.

to say that this is retribution for the past is bullshit. the past is in the past - what happened was fucked up but theres no undoing it now.

what we need now is for young black people to know that they earned everything they have - not that it was handed down by the supreme court. and we need the other college students to realize that the black students are there for their achievements and intelligence - not look at them and say 'theyre here because theyre black'. that creates more racial tension and demotes racial equality.

[Kettiecat]

Originally posted by Pistol
But trying to pull that I'm not getting in because some underqualified black kid from Harlem is "getting in cause he's black" is bullshit.


I realize that most of the people who don't get in don't deserve to get in. BUT you have to acknowledge that if there are 100 openings to fill and they're going to take the kids with the greatest number of points and minorities were given a 20 point handicap, it puts them at an advantage to get in.



Originally posted by Pistol

perfect SAT's - 10 points
minority - 10 points
"urban" - 10 points
athletic ability - 5 points
parents went to the university 20 points

where did you get that from? U of M had 20 out of 150 for being a minority. I'm not sure on anything else. But I would agree with you that giving points for parents attending the same university is wrong.




Originally posted by Pistol
Maybe if anything if race was the ONLY factor it would be discrimination but not racism.

It just means they can take into consideration the fact that someone is a minority.

racism....discrimination...you're still erroneously judging people. To say that someone is black, what does that tell you about them? To say that someone is white, what does that tell you about them? If we want a diverse campus we need to look beyond skin color. If all you have is middle class white and middle class black people going to your university (which for the most part the minority students that do get in are from a middle class background) you still do not have a diverse "enriching" environment.

[Dick Quickwood]

hey, theres more minorities than black people. what about the mexicans, jews, chineese, and gays ?

[Kettiecat]

Originally posted by bug
the presupposition of the title of this thread exudes ignorance.



rac·ism ( P ) P
n. 1. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

prej·u·dice
n. 1. judge prematurely and irrationally

Universitys can use race as a factor in judging which students can get in....



Originally posted by bug

privilaged suburbanites...

before you open your mouth don't judge, I've been on both sides of the fence.

[Dick Quickwood]

being a vegitarian does NOT make someone a minority dumbass


does being a wigger make you a minority ?

[test pattern]

Originally posted by ARCEL
hey, theres more minorities than black people. what about the mexicans, jews, chineese, and gays ? what the fuck? this is so fucking stupid. shut the fuck up

[Dick Quickwood]

is it because im jewish ?

[Kettiecat]

no its because you a homosexual jewish bastard

[test pattern]

Originally posted by Kettiecat
no its because you a homosexual jewish bastard woah! let's give him a free college education!
i was saying shut the fuck up because you said "gays"
but i wasn't paying attention.. i shoulda make that sound more like i was joking.. because i didn't mean to sound so seriously pissed off

[Dick Quickwood]

nazi hoar, your going to hell

[Pistol]

Please Kettie if your best shot at my reply was saying Michigan gives minorities 20 points rather than 10 and failed to see I posted a simple example rather than a calculation set in stone is laughable.

And don't try to back track saying you think that income should be considered but not race. Because you never mentioned anything about that in your first post. The only thing you mentioned was that "tan in the summertime" line.

To get to the root of 'the problem' is not so simple as to say affirmative action is great and keep it or even to say let's throw Watts & East Los Angeles a few mill to buy some books and teachers.

But by getting more minorities into college would help in a variety of ways.

a. the importance of a college education would be passed down from the present generation. (for many college isn't really pushed on minorities from both parents and teachers) it's hard for a struggling family to say go to college when they need that kid to help pay bills.

b. a large number of minority professionals go back to 'the neighborhood' to run their dentistry, medical offices, firms etc.

c. perhaps some can go back to teach in the community and provide role models and inspiration for youngsters that hardly see another person of color with a masters.

you get the picture.

[Dick Quickwood]

Originally posted by mr_president
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/hiimtease.gif'> no its because youre extremely gay, jewish, and a fucking vegan who loves meat, dick meat.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[effyoo]

Originally posted by Pistol
you get the picture.

Although I have very minor points to disagree with, all in all, good points, Pistol.

[Kettiecat]

Pistol


the whole idea of handing out "points" is a joke.


My first post was done in literally 2 minutes before I ran off to work because I wanted to get people talking about it. I believe I even stated that disclaimer in the post.


And no one has really answered my question of exactly why affirmative action is needed to get minorities into college. If all you can say is that their parents want them to stay at home and earn a pay check, go visit a trailor park, the white boy's dad is saying the same thing to him.

So my question is WHY aren't minorities going to the elite schools?

[bug]

Originally posted by Kettiecat
rac·ism
( P ) P n. 1. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

prej·u·dice
n. 1. judge prematurely and irrationally

Universitys can use race as a factor in judging which students can get in....

while the definition is true, i was thinking along the lines of the "institution of racism" that has been in effect in this country for centuries which favors white-americans. some supreme court ruling that gives a temporary policy to reverse this "institution" may use race as a criterion, but it is just an attempt to destroy that institution.

Universities use lots of crietria to decide who attends their school, and some are as irrational as race.

i never bitched about the abundance of athletic scholarships that were offered to people who i deemed didn't belong at a university, and i still maintain that sports has no place in higher learning. but you don't see me bitching about it, because the university wants athletic programs, so they will have it.

Likewise, if a university wants racial diversity on campus, they should be entitled to use race as criterion to achieve that.


Originally posted by Kettiecat
before you open your mouth don't judge, I've been on both sides of the fence.

so have i. i've seen a lot, i grew up in a dirty rat infested home in a neighboorhood where kids would beat me up for being the only white kid, my father ended up making good money and we ended up in an extremely wealthy neighboorhood in a 12 room mansion, and then we ended moving later to a two bedroom apartment stuffed with 6 people in poor neighborhood. i've had friends from all socio-economic backgrounds all over the country, and honestly, seeing all that i've seen, i'm sick of hearing priviledged white kids bitching about life being a little harder for them as we try to correct the wrongs that have been ingrained in society

[Kettiecat]

But does affirmative action REALLY correct those wrongs?

Wouldn't it be more effective to have EVERYTHING merit based. Race is socially construed. There really is no way of determining what race a person is. This diversity that colleges want has to be based off more than skin color. A wide range of ethnicities would be more effective.

[Scrabble]

Originally posted by mr_president
we should just let black people run shit for like 5 years, see where we get.

see what happens... see what its like.

thats not a diss or saying they couldnt do it, but i think it would be rather interesting.

maybe once they got the responsibility they wouldnt want it? who knows...

Yes, keep those niggas down! They all say they want to be treated equally, but what black people really want is someone to tell them what to do!! Dont give them any power, once they get it, they wont know what to do with it....:rolleyes:

[KING BLING]

Originally posted by mapo returns
not that it was handed down by the supreme court

Your political ideas and the president you support make me laugh. Why dont these ungreatful black people all just join the army?

[Scrabble]

no idiot took it the wrong way. I didnt take it as a diss, i just want to know what the hell you meant by whether they would want it or not. It sounded like you contradicted yourself. Why wouldnt we want it if we could handle it?

[Scrabble]

Yes once we controlled the government....::thinks about it::

...yall would be in trouble...no, okay i see what you mean now. But i dont think we wouldnt want it. Dont call me man, im female

[BeetNIK]

ok mr pres and scrabble are getting off track, and for the record you couldnt find an answer to any of those questions becuase you cant take a whole race into consideration, people are people, everything is situational. not all black people are poor and from the city...as obvious as that may seem, you two were talking about what if this and what if that and 'blacks' and 'whites' think about how fucking broad that is and humble yourself.


kettie, I really dont think this affirmative action is really going to correct a whole lot anyways, if anything it will give an undergrad an unfair advantage with getting into law school.

If somebody is motivated enough, no matter what their race, i beleive they could get into UM without the handicap points. This affirmative action stuff isnt getting poor minorites from th inner city anywhere, because they wouldnt have the merit anyways. So how diverse are we really getting here?

like I said, if you could actually get a career with a highschool diploma you wouldnt need this shit. Nobody should really need to go to college. What the fuck did highschool get you? think about it, the gov requires you to go to some school that doesnt really do anything for you but waste you time and improve yout penmanship.

[$360]

hi tease

[Scrabble]

:lol: okay okay....dont get mad...

i didnt expect anyone to take those last sentences seriously, i wasnt making fun of you. I understand that you are paranoid, but you dont have to come back with some smartass comment...what are you having a bad day or something???

Sorry for saying the word "we"....NO i dont think all black people think alike, i definately know that they arent all poor. I was just talking about how i feel, and i wasnt even really being serious about it...

[metallix]

TO ALL THE RACIST TRASH THAT THINK BEING "WHITE" MAKES YOU "PRIVELEGED." FUCK YOU. GO READ SOMETHING ABOUT REALITY.


Affluent White Americans face McJob reality
Thursday, June 19 2003
By Charles Slaney

A recent article in the organ of aspiring millionaires, Fortune magazine, highlights the obvious outcome of deskilling, downsizing, and shipping jobs overseas. Eventually, even University educated professionals with years of experience can no longer find jobs to match their skills set.

America has a very different job market to Britain. Here, University graduates are now resigned to the idea that a degree does not get them onto a better career structure. This is different in the USA where having education is a still considered a near-guarantee of a well-paid job. Being college-educated is still respected and employers have traditionally expected to put distance between the pay packets of graduate workers and non-graduates.

Ironically, in an ultra-capitalist society where supply-and-demand is king, this rewarding of graduates has continued even with a glut of them in the job market. It's why a million US talk shows love to show the previously abused or deviant guest on their way to 'college', as a way of redemption to a medley of audience whoops, gasps and tears. This simply wouldn't work if the expectation were the new graduate would make six million job applications, give up on a decent future, before returning to the streets to deal drugs or work a deadbeat job.That's a caricature, of course, but sums up the American love of college education as the Holy Grail of social mobility.

Affluent American workers - managers, executives, salesmen - grew up with expectations that hard work would land them good employment and if they struggled a bit here and there they would get a house, car, job wife and support a growing family.

Yet for those made redundant now the future is bleak. The older they are the worse off they are. Thus you have a situation where managers either laid-off in fear of their jobs buy copies of Microsoft Excel 2000 for Dummies from horrifically underemployed shop clerks with Masters degrees who could give said manager a great lesson in how to use Excel. It's a kind of topsy-turvy economy where human resources, inspiration and brainpower stagnate before being flushed away for good.

It used to be the labour intensive manufacturing jobs that were shipped to the Far East or Mexico, now it's brainwork like accountancy, computer programming, technical support, management. According to Fortune, even patients' X-Rays are analysed off-site in the Philippines. American jobs lost through this process are never coming back, however much the economy booms. The jobs that do remain, will be low-grade sales, reception work, and low-grade clerical - a skeletal staff responsible for funnelling information to and from distant colleagues in cheap labour markets.

Although the American press is waking up to what it has dubbed the 'blue-collarization' issue, it's nothing new. Sociologists formed the 'proletarianisation thesis' in the 1980s, describing a process where new 'white collar' jobs were little different to manual jobs of before - repetition, only token promotion, little ownership of the work, poor pay, no autonomy or decision making. The difference now is that the process is present higher in the social food chain.

Given the engrained boot-strap pulling philosophy of the American culture, it seems this growing army of underemployed people will continue making applications, making follow-up phone calls, visiting employment agencies daily, with a chirpy 'no one owes you a job'. Eventually, however, when they're aware of the gravity of their situation in a society where, ultimately, no one gives a toss about them, we'd love to welcome them to the anti-Globalisation movement where I'm sure their insights and experience can be repurposed and put to good use.

[test pattern]

Originally posted by mr_president
say black people got control of the government...
then after time, the white people would be like the black people now, as if the roles changed.
what roles?
african americans don't have it harder than white people. this is such a fucking stupid arguement. they deserve no special treatment.

[test pattern]

Originally posted by mr_president

white people have nothing to be proud of really, no sense in family, no customs or special cultural things... nothing.


what the fuck is that? white people have nothing to be proud of? fucking retarded.
no sense in family? did you ever see the brady bunch, bitch?

seriously, though. i've got stronger ties with my family than anyone i know. and nothing cultural? what the FUCK

have you had your head up your ass the entire time you've been alive? you live in fucking white culture. what do you call real world/road rules?:lol:

[test pattern]

Originally posted by mr_president
oh really?

so what cultural things does your family do? what kind of traditions do you have? what kind of special food do you cook?

please enlighten me. im here all night... first, am i white?

good arguement. you tried.. i guess?:o

however, you have a black friend. what "cultural traditions" does his family uphold?

[Dick Quickwood]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mr_president
i thought you were white, your mom looked white and so did you in the piks. mexicans do have a lot of culture, i love theirs matter of fact.

my "black friend" has some traditions and culture yes.

for instance this hge family ruenion thing they are doing that im suppost to be going to, they are very close with their family, and its huge, they have that whole soul food sunday thing happening, and so on...

also for culture they have family traditions that have been passed down, different foods, ways of doing things, family members who were former slaves in their past... or family tree or whatever. all that type of stuff plays into their culture.

as for me, im white, we have a super small family, there isnt really anything in our culture to be proud of, i cant really think of one thing we even have culturally...

have you ever been to a white food restraunt? i havent...

been to a mexican food restraunt though.

meaning they have a food thats apart of their culture. we dont.

i dont have any traditions that have been passed down in my family either, except for being white and living a good life and caring about our family and having good morals and stuff, but thats not "white culture" thats just humanity.

so yea, i dont think white people have much culture or traditions. [/QUOT


child-like innocence...

[One_in_Ten]

Originally posted by mapo returns
affirmative action is straight bullshit, and so is this decision.


I beg to differ there chap. Affirmative action is a useful tool for correcting institutional Racism. A racism That premotes the if your "white your right, if your brown you can come around, and if your black get to the BACK" ideals.
i was put and kept in the 'higher' classes as a kid; in an all black and poor school in virgini', not becuse i ws smart but because my parents were... White, thats right. I was dumb as fuck, and it didnt make a lick of difference. Im not white, but beleive i would be in the house, not the feilds.
And to top it off Im almost positive i got into college cause of those handy minority points.

so ive been pushed by all sides and i can safely
say racism is alive and well. Plus we have a classic case of classism to boot.






plus we let M&M in to hip hop, so please let us into school. "SANDIMUS HIGH SCHOOL FOOT BALL RULES!!!!!"





Originally posted by test pattern
what "cultural traditions" does his family uphold?
i dont know thats its so much cultural as it is a tradition, but my family and ill all argue naked. Thats right if we get upset and start to argue we get naked, cause how can you be mad at naked dad or mom?

[test pattern]

Originally posted by mr_president


have you ever been to a white food restraunt? i havent...
yes, as a matter of fact, i have. if you've never been to chili's or bennigans, etc. i don't know what's up.

newsflash, son. "white" isn't a race. there's a whole lot that make up the "white" category. as a matter of fact, "white" is just a label for americanized caucasian mutts.

[test pattern]

Originally posted by mr_president
special, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal special.

:spent: :lol:

(most the time its caucasion) but ive seen them as "white" what are they going to put? "one forth german, some french, etc. etc."

i think you just answered your own questions.

[Dick Quickwood]

Originally posted by mr_president
i
have you ever been to a white food restraunt? i havent...

.


italian
jewish
german
french
greek

[Vanity]

Originally posted by Pilau Hands
YO! BLAOW!

[One_in_Ten]

hot dog
mcdees
bk
in and out
jitb
wendys
etc...
KFC

[Kettiecat]

I would really like for someone to tell me what makes a person "white" and what makes a person "black", because guess what you can't, there are a million exceptions to every thing that you could come up with.

[test pattern]

Originally posted by Kettiecat
I would really like for someone to tell me what makes a person "white" and what makes a person "black", because guess what you can't, there are a million exceptions to every thing that you could come up with. they're broad terms.
you can't come up with absolute answers in philosophy for the most part.

[Kettiecat]

Originally posted by test pattern
they're broad terms.
you can't come up with absolute answers in philosophy for the most part.
good point

and what makes someone hispanic? do one of your parents have to be? How about one just one of your grandparents? One of your great grandparents was hispanic.....are you a minority? What about Italian people who "look" and are thought to be "arabic" surely these people get the racist treatment like no other, especially after 9-11. Do we count them as well? If we count the Italians that look like arabs what about the ones that don't? Where do we draw the line between who looks arabic and who looks white? What if you're a minority (we'll use asian this time) and you were adopted into a "white" household at birth, are you a minority? Should you get specail treatment even though you've had ever advantage that the "white" culture can offer?

[TEARZ]

damn yo, you really haven't been around people of color in your life, have you?

[test pattern]

the white culture doesn't offer any more advantages

[Kettiecat]

Originally posted by TEARZ
damn yo, you really haven't been around people of color in your life, have you?


what the fuck are people of color? I'm blind please define what makes a "person of color".


So far no one can tell me how we determine who is a minority and it seems to me if we want a diverse education we should be able to identify these minorities.

[test pattern]

i think it's pretty much anyone who doesn't fall under the caucasian classification.

[Dick Quickwood]

Originally posted by Kettiecat
what the fuck are people of color? I'm blind please define what makes a "person of color".


So far no one can tell me how we determine who is a minority and it seems to me if we want a diverse education we should be able to identify these minorities.

your stupid, but i know no one is that stupid

[Kettiecat]

Who falls under caucasian classification? Is there a point system for it somewhere? If you get this many points you are caucasian.... oh you get 20 points right off the bat if you listen to country and 10 more if mommy and daddy have money.





sorry I'm getting bratty. I need to go to bed.

[Kettiecat]

Originally posted by ARCEL
your stupid, but i know no one is that stupid


it is you're not "your"

[rental]

i think affirmative action helps minorities, but i dont think it a solution. i believe the solution is funding for helping low income people out, esp. in the school districts starting with the youngin's

[TEARZ]

re: what is a person of color

please, you are in no position to play this game; you've already relied on plenty of assumptions (dark skin- a faulty assumption at that) to get where you are... examine yourself and go read some fucking books you lazy ass, don't expect people of color and those in the know to have to teach you.

so the answer to my question is clearly yes, not that it wasn't obvious from jump street. you've never really had to deal with people of color in your life in any meaningful way.

[test pattern]

i think it's most races from the anglo-saxon decent

[Kettiecat]

No I'm fucking dead serious, you ask me if I know or grew up with "people of color" but you don't define what you mean by that. Did I grow up in youth homes with people from a wide range of ethnic backgrounds, well then the answer is yes. Did I go to school with students from a wide range of ethnic backgrounds, then the answer is yes.

[Esai]

I made it a point to avoid any racial arguments after mapo burned me out with the that rhetorical bullshit. I must say though, that I think one good way to create a fully equal educational system(besides affirmative action) is to validify, and incorporate the histories and contributions all races have made to our culture and modern society. Then at least a few nonwhite kids can stop feeling like american education is pissing on their face. I mean like teaching about the accomplishments of the asian,african, and american peoples have made along with the Euro stuff we learn, I'd like more than a paragraph a year. It still is good that they uphold some affirmative action, but i would drop that parent alumni bullshit and give points for poverty to even the scale for the po white kiddies as well. I'd also like to note that racism was first used in the US and Europe to keep the poor divided rather than rioting. It was a huge success in the south with poor whites, and it has never truly been taken out of american society.Changes in laws or public policy doesnt annihilate a mindset of bigotry, it just allows for the abuse of ignorance as a scapegoat for prejudice( as demonstrated in this and other threads). Hopefully the global inequities we posess will come to an end in my lifetime, but then again I know a lot of people in the US and Europe would be assed out(of the pale complexion,inside or out). To stop exascerbating the whole race card, Id liike to say that among most conscious people it really isnt about race, either youre a nigga-spic-gook-mick whatever, or youre a cracker, I'd break bread with any poor englishman before any colin powell, if you get me.

[Sean Daley]

when you're young. certain things are enstilled in you, that are very rarely changed...

the way the government defined/re-defined/and now defines minorities etc, will continue to change..

and the way i view a minority is different from anyone else's in here.
basically all that these race names, are to me, are adjectives. but to you, they are whatever you have thought they have been. kettie, why are you asking other people?
when someone says "black" you know what your mind thinks, when someone says "mexican" you know what your mind thinks... it's the same as when someone says "blue" or "green."
all it is, is what YOU make of it...

but hmph. too tired to get started on the entire affirmative action, govt. lets help people out shit...

[Vanity]

Originally posted by TEARZ
you've never really had to deal with people of color in your life in any meaningful way.


somebody has to make my mcwhopper :D

[keep]

"my lucky stars a negro!" what fucking movie is that from?


taken from http://www.minorityrights.org/


Who are Minorities?
There is no universally accepted definition of 'minorities', and the word is interpreted differently in different societies. The United Nations (UN) has failed to agree a definition of what constitutes a minority, beyond that implied in the title of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Persons belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities. Attempting a more precise statement has been fraught with difficulties: in some cases the motivation for a tighter definition has been to deny certain rights to certain peoples.

[Kettiecat]

I don’t have my head in the sand and I don’t believe that the American Educational system is flawless, some people do need help. Some people think that affirmative action is the answer. I believe it is part of the problem.
The Supreme Court shot down the use of a point system in admissions, so my next question is “How do you determine who needs help getting into the elite universities without stereotyping people and trying to fit us all into erroneous categories?” How can a university fairly increase the number of minority students?

[dukeofyork]

Originally posted by Esai
I made it a point to avoid any racial arguments after mapo burned me out with the that rhetorical bullshit. I must say though, that I think one good way to create a fully equal educational system(besides affirmative action) is to validify, and incorporate the histories and contributions all races have made to our culture and modern society. Then at least a few nonwhite kids can stop feeling like american education is pissing on their face. I mean like teaching about the accomplishments of the asian,african, and american peoples have made along with the Euro stuff we learn, I'd like more than a paragraph a year. It still is good that they uphold some affirmative action, but i would drop that parent alumni bullshit and give points for poverty to even the scale for the po white kiddies as well. I'd also like to note that racism was first used in the US and Europe to keep the poor divided rather than rioting. It was a huge success in the south with poor whites, and it has never truly been taken out of american society.Changes in laws or public policy doesnt annihilate a mindset of bigotry, it just allows for the abuse of ignorance as a scapegoat for prejudice( as demonstrated in this and other threads). Hopefully the global inequities we posess will come to an end in my lifetime, but then again I know a lot of people in the US and Europe would be assed out(of the pale complexion,inside or out). To stop exascerbating the whole race card, Id liike to say that among most conscious people it really isnt about race, either youre a nigga-spic-gook-mick whatever, or youre a cracker, I'd break bread with any poor englishman before any colin powell, if you get me.


that was probably the best thing ive ever heard from you esai.....

:idea:

[Sean Daley]

you think this college shit is bad. i cant wait to see what evolves from the BS our wodnerful president's brother has in store for my county's highschools next year.
before we get all wrapped up in our college shit, they should look into helpig out the youngins w/ their educations and then maybe all this shit for colleges would be a little less necessary.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Pistol, Esai, and TEARZ said everything that had to be said. If you don't get it yet, you probably never will. Affirmative action is not a solution, but it's an initiative.

I've been both helped by and shatted on by affirmative action before, and I feel neither glad nor angry in both cases, because I understand the necessity and the reason. Wishing for equal treatment in such early stages of integration (remember, only around for 40 years or so) is ridiculous. Regardless of how idealistically merit-based everything is, a process controlled by mostly whites will NOT be unbiased, and evaluation of merit will NOT be objective. The average white will go before the above-average minority.

Once the playing field is evened, THEN we can aspire to remove affirmative action and have merit-based action put in its place. But with the current prevalent racism, there is no way to get minorities into that playing field unless they're given a hand. We still have a LONG way to go before this evened-out scenario comes to life, so for now, swallow down your irritation at what seems so unjust (I know I have before), and wait patiently for the day your grandchildren may face a better reality.


Tease, minorities couldn't be given control of the government for 5 years and then expect from them wonderful results, because they have not yet been given the full opportunity to prepare themselves for such a task. Whites have enforced superiority for several centuries to get where they are today. To suddenly thrust an oppressed group of people into control is asking for a huge, confused mess. I long for the independence of Puerto Rico, yet I know that at this moment we are uncapable of sustaining ourselves in such a situation because of lack of experience and preparation. Beer,

El Mamerro

[One_in_Ten]

Originally posted by Kettiecat
what the fuck are people of color? I'm blind please define what makes a "person of color".


So far no one can tell me how we determine who is a minority and it seems to me if we want a diverse education we should be able to identify these minorities.

OK FOOLIO HERE IT IS.

in the days of slavery the Whites, who made the convoluted rules that a century later the new generation of whites pertends is over and non-exisitant, created the One drop rule.

The ONE DROP rule of thumb, which clearly stated even ONE drop of non-anglo-saxaphone blood ( meaning ANY other form of blood, negroid, hispanic, what ever, there were acctually less chances for blacks to shag races of all kinds simply do to lack of exposer on a wide scale), means you are a minority.

[One_in_Ten]

America as the melting pot has only been around for 50 years or so.

there are still white and black families waiting on their first relatives to finish college for sure. However the big difference is that the white families have had the op[portunity from the get, they just couldnt afford it. Blacks have only had the opportunity for the last 50 years, and mostly still cant afford it.
the cost of education is another totally wrong injustuce.

Now when slavery was declared over and done with what happened?

Most blacks were:
A. given forty acres and a mule
B. Given a first rate education, and prepared for freedom.
C. Told they had 2 chocies: leave the cotton ranch, or stay and work for nothing, save less beatings.
D. put on a ship and sent back Liberia. where they had no direct ties any more, a completley Westernized immune system, and got sick and made liberians sick and died with in a few years.



In many ways its like the failure rate in Jail house rehabilitation. After never having to think for yourself, to be told one day your free go and prosper is rediculous.
Cant read cant write, the world is a mystery.

[Metro]

Originally posted by Scott LaJock
OK FOOLIO HERE IT IS.

in the days of slavery the Whites, who made the convoluted rules that a century later the new generation of whites pertends is over and non-exisitant, created the One drop rule.

The ONE DROP rule of thumb, which clearly stated even ONE drop of non-anglo-saxaphone blood ( meaning ANY other form of blood, negroid, hispanic, what ever, there were acctually less chances for blacks to shag races of all kinds simply do to lack of exposer on a wide scale), means you are a minority.


well by this "one drop" rule I definately get to sign up as a minority and I by no means would need the extra help to get into a school.

My biggest problem with affirmative action is not that is discriminates against people, it doesn't seem to have any checks and balances to make sure that the people who really need the help get it.

[One_in_Ten]

Originally posted by Metro
well by this "one drop" rule I definately get to sign up as a minority and I by no means would need the extra help to get into a school.

My biggest problem with affirmative action is not that is discriminates against people, it doesn't seem to have any checks and balances to make sure that the people who really need the help get it.

again its not there to help individuals its there to try to change institutional discrimination by forceing institutions to hire/admit minorities.

[Metro]

so it is a form of social engineering?

[One_in_Ten]

social RE-engineering

[Metro]

It is there to help society not the individual....wasn't that a justification for slavery...

[test pattern]

hit the books, make the grades, get into school
i wish i were born black
maybe i would get free school, too

[One_in_Ten]

Originally posted by Metro
It is there to help society not the individual....wasn't that a justification for slavery...

the justification for slavery was that Negros were vastly inferior to whites and needed to be managed like animals. DO NOT get it twisted.
This was the work force that allowed the U.S. to flourish. Now who was helped more in that shituation. More slaves died on the trip to the New world then made it to the new world. Thanxs for the help whitey! We needed that like a hole in the head.



the revolution is on tv every day sucka.

[test pattern]

REGIS, NIGGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!