www.FourTheHardWay.com [Archive] - THE WRITERS FORUM

Misteraven

07-01-2003, 01:03 AM

Thanks for all the kind words on the site. We put lots of effort into making it look good, as well as function smoothly. Not to mention plenty of features to go around including real time package tracking, product reviews, shipping estimator, etc. It's actually been up for about two weeks being beta tested by a select group of people we chose to play around, shop, and help work out any kinks, so it's all smooth sailing now...

Anyhow, now that it's up we can focus on stocking it with product. Everything you see listed is available, unless specifically noted on the product page. Regardless, the inventory is all real time, so it won't sell you something out of stock - no backorders on anything. Not that you have anything to worry about either way, but credit card orders are insured by your bank, so no one has anything to risk. I give you my personal guarantee regardless...

Obviously, by purchasing stuff at www.fourthehardway.com (http://www.fourthehardway.com), you help support projects like this message board and other plans we have in the pipe, so our thanks ahead of time for spending your hard earned dough and supporting our cause.

Until further notice, there's free shipping on all orders over $100. Plus free stuff with every order. It varies on order amount, but ranges from free stickers and magazines, to free shirts, CD's and video's.

If you have any questions, read the FAQ (http://www.fourthehardway.com/shipping.php) cause most of it's been answered there.

IDrinkSprite

07-01-2003, 01:16 AM

:cool:

ment2

07-01-2003, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by El Mamerro
From the looks of it, I'm assuming it was designed by the Big Guy himself... whose graphic work consistently makes poop magically appear in my pants.

A++

hahahahaAAAAAAAAAAAA YEAH!!!:D :scream:

krie

07-01-2003, 01:37 AM

will u eventually ship international raven ?

WebsterUno

07-01-2003, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
Plus free stuff with every order. It varies on order amount, but ranges from free stickers and magazines, to free shirts, CD's and video's.

aww yeah..as soon as I can find someone to
let me use their card and addy, Im gonna
buy all that shit I mentioned. Maybe more.

Dirty_habiT

07-01-2003, 02:09 AM

Hahaha, and I was gonna say to put my order on your tab.

WebsterUno

07-01-2003, 02:16 AM

sheeeit!!!

:lol:

Misteraven

07-01-2003, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by krie
will u eventually ship international raven ?

that's the plan, but there's no time frame for that yet.

Misteraven

07-01-2003, 02:32 AM

And please believe that any kinda credit card fraud won't be tolerated. We'll protect your interests, but we will go far and wide to protect ours, so it WILL NOT be worth your while guaranteed.

I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, just letting people know ahead of time so they don't get stupid.

ExhibitDHLK

07-01-2003, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by rubbish heap
it seems like everyone has that same selection of caps. they should stock items that make them stand out from other stores, because they carry them and others dont ;)

ummmmmyeahh

Big Bruno

07-01-2003, 02:45 AM

man ain't got no credit card, but i do got money orders.

Misteraven

07-01-2003, 02:57 AM

out of curiosity, how many of you guys use Paypal? We were considering adding that as a payment method after a recommendation, so if that's something people would use, maybe we can add it.

rubbish heap

07-01-2003, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
And please believe that any kinda credit card fraud won't be tolerated. We'll protect your interests, but we will go far and wide to protect ours, so it WILL NOT be worth your while guaranteed.

credit card fraud is sooo 5 years ago when it was easier for people.

JUDONO?

07-01-2003, 06:42 AM

i used paypal. Who else?

beardo

07-01-2003, 11:51 AM

hip hop!

Dick Quickwood

07-01-2003, 11:57 AM

cool, cool

space base

07-01-2003, 12:13 PM

shut the fuck up

~KRYLON2~

07-01-2003, 06:19 PM

tight

WebsterUno

07-01-2003, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
And please believe that any kinda credit card fraud won't be tolerated. .....I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, just letting people know ahead of time so they don't get stupid.

hahaha...good. That wasnt my intention.
I was going to use someone elses card,
cuzz my ghetto azz doesnt have one! Plus,
if I did, I wouldnt use it. I dont want task
force banging down my door, cuzz I ordered
some nozzles to support my favorite website.
Thats also why that shit is going to a different addy.
So, HOOK IT UUUUUPPPPPPPPPPP naaagga!!

:cool:

johnny

07-01-2003, 09:30 PM

bumps

Tyler Durden

07-01-2003, 09:42 PM

yes. definetly getting in on those caps and a joker print. i've been looking for his prints anyhow for the walls of the new apartment so thats appreciated.

back in the first issue of the vapors mag there was an ad for all the caps and such but also for the custom belts, any plans on offering those? because i'd feel much better ordering mine and my girlfriends matching "hatred" belt buckles from something related to the prophet rather than one of the shady ghetto fab sites i've been scoping.

Misteraven

07-01-2003, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by Tyler Durden
yes. definetly getting in on those caps and a joker print. i've been looking for his prints anyhow for the walls of the new apartment so thats appreciated.

back in the first issue of the vapors mag there was an ad for all the caps and such but also for the custom belts, any plans on offering those? because i'd feel much better ordering mine and my girlfriends matching "hatred" belt buckles from something related to the prophet rather than one of the shady ghetto fab sites i've been scoping.

we're looking into the buckles, but they were always a hard item to stock since some letters run out and the company was unreliable about pressing more. we got a ton of new product we're working on, much of it our own stuff, so stay tuned. much of the stuff will be first come, first served and in limited supply since the whole site works in realtime. basically everything in the sweatshop section is pretty scarce so get it while you can.

if there's anything you want and dont see, shoot them an email at [email protected] or post it here and i'll forward a link. who knows, maybe you'll see it in stock sometime soon.

anyhow, thanks again for all the cool comments. also thanks for supporting this site by shopping at www.fourthehardway.com (http://www.fourthehardway.com)

Misteraven

07-01-2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by WebsterUno
hahaha...good. That wasnt my intention.
I was going to use someone elses card,
cuzz my ghetto azz doesnt have one! Plus,
if I did, I wouldnt use it. I dont want task
force banging down my door, cuzz I ordered
some nozzles to support my favorite website.
Thats also why that shit is going to a different addy.
So, HOOK IT UUUUUPPPPPPPPPPP naaagga!!

:cool:

sorry didn't mean to seem like it was directed at you. i know where you were coming from, it just sparked the idea in my head and reminded me of all the fraud we used to get before. thankfully, mailorder and especially online sales have come a long way leavng us with ways to protect against it. that way we dont get jerked and neither do you.

;)

Tyler Durden

07-01-2003, 10:54 PM

oh. before i forget. would you be interested in stocking some copies of my zine? its free and such so if i sent you a bunch of stickers and the zine you could send them out with orders or something.

i'd email this to the site but i figure i'd get slightly more direct response this way.

johnny

07-01-2003, 10:58 PM

support 12ozprophet, place an order.

IDrinkSprite

07-01-2003, 11:06 PM

[img]http://www.fourthehardway.com/images/malfi_m.jpg'>
Bowling Pin Penguin?

WebsterUno

07-01-2003, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
that way we dont get jerked and neither do you.
;)

nah, dont trip.
I totally feel you on that too.
Ive always been kinda noid
about ordering stuff online.

Reason 1. Maybe it wont show up?
My homie bought somethign from some site,
he never received his order. Its been 3 years.

Reason 2. The Task Force getting ahold
of paper work and raiding pads, ya know.

Reason 3. Dont have a card. Dont really
care for credit. I pay out cash homie. ;)

That doll looks like a dominatrix doll...scary!

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Tyler Durden
oh. before i forget. would you be interested in stocking some copies of my zine? its free and such so if i sent you a bunch of stickers and the zine you could send them out with orders or something.

i'd email this to the site but i figure i'd get slightly more direct response this way.

sure. they give out lots of stuff and I'm sure they'd be happy to give out your zines. contact them though. I'm really not involved in the details of daily operation, only the big picture.

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by WebsterUno
nah, dont trip.
I totally feel you on that too.
Ive always been kinda noid
about ordering stuff online.

Reason 1. Maybe it wont show up?
My homie bought somethign from some site,
he never received his order. Its been 3 years.

Reason 2. The Task Force getting ahold
of paper work and raiding pads, ya know.

Reason 3. Dont have a card. Dont really
care for credit. I pay out cash homie. ;)

That doll looks like a dominatrix doll...scary!

1. If it doesnt show up you dispute it with the credit card company. you get credited back the minute you file the complaint. if you're proven wrong it gets recharged 30 - 60 days later.

2. Our servers are kept on a private linux based network. credit card info isnt even stored on site, but rather gets processed approved, and deleted. once processed, your info is stored encrypted using 128 bit fractal encryption and very few people have access to it. Because we keep our lists combined, that means your name is one out of about 650,000. the only paperwork is what we send you. Admittedly a digital file exists, but it take a hell of a court order to get it. If you do enough damage that they want you, you'll be raided a hundred times over before they manage to raid us, and in the end its a freakin marker at worst.

3. http://www.visa.com

Joker

07-02-2003, 03:49 AM

Yeah, I designed that print... wanna make something of it?

Actually, if 4THW is cool with it I hope to have some more goodies available very shortly. A few more prints and some buttons...

Joker = Commodity

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 09:12 AM

actually, give me a call... I got something to run by you.

you guys check out how you can post reviews? If you don't have the scratch to order, at least register and post a couple reviews if you're familiar with any of the stuff.

space base

07-02-2003, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by space base
shut the fuck up
that was pretty funny................Ill buy it I swear:o

IntangibleFame

07-02-2003, 09:23 AM

My only beef with this sheet is the outrageous price on caps...I know that shit doesnt cost that much to make...8$ for 30 caps?! Id rather spend the 10$ i always spend and get 200 of em. ugh...I do like the site dont get me wrong...maybe you dont control the cap commodity price set.

Oh and raven shhhh your not supposed to tell people about chargebacks...thats how companies keep your money.

BAMBOOZLED

07-02-2003, 09:24 AM

Is it just me, or do the reviews sound made up to boost the hype on your products. No beef intended i'd do the same thing to start the ball rollin on a new website and you've got my full backing on it.

IntangibleFame

07-02-2003, 09:29 AM

haha add your own reviews to them....

"This Joker print is so awesome I blew a load 3 times upon seeing it, now its not as clear as it once was, but it still rapes penguin children!"

Spike

07-02-2003, 10:42 AM

Raven... add international shipping, I'm choking out here. You cannot believe how annoying it is finding somewhere trustworthy and that doesn't rip people off out here. Seriously, I would probably blow so much money if 4thw went international. Cheers,

Dick Quickwood

07-02-2003, 10:51 AM

it would be really cool if you guys made your own super-staining ink, id buy it for sure. or if you at least had marsh...

beardo

07-02-2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by BAMBOOZLED
Is it just me, or do the reviews sound made up to boost the hype on your products. No beef intended i'd do the same thing to start the ball rollin on a new website and you've got my full backing on it.

never even crossed my mind. i went back and read a bunch, and they seem more informative than anything else. a lot of comparing one to the next. some people liked the ny fat over rusto fat, etc. and gave reasons. also, it might come accross that way becaus they only stock the best shit.
:crazy:

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
My only beef with this sheet is the outrageous price on caps...I know that shit doesnt cost that much to make...8$ for 30 caps?! Id rather spend the 10$ i always spend and get 200 of em. ugh...I do like the site dont get me wrong...maybe you dont control the cap commodity price set.

Oh and raven shhhh your not supposed to tell people about chargebacks...thats how companies keep your money.

Damn, tell me where I can get a deal like that and maybe I'll start buying from them. Fact is those things are dumb expensive right off the bat. Then when you consider shipping from Europe, the price goes through the roof. To the best of my knowledge our prices are very competitive with the going rate. We're not trying to be 'Crazy Eddy's Blowout Bonanza' and blow all the other suppliers out the water. Just a real solid supplier, offering premium goods at a very fair price, fast fulfillment and shipping, from a website second to none. And we're just getting started...

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by BAMBOOZLED
Is it just me, or do the reviews sound made up to boost the hype on your products. No beef intended i'd do the same thing to start the ball rollin on a new website and you've got my full backing on it.

We beta tested this thing for about a month by having all those involved invite a small trusted group of people they know (about 30 in total) to register and play with the site, so we could tweak it, work out kinks, as well as get ideas for what worked and what didn't. That's actually where the review feature and dropdown navigation ideas came from, as well as a couple other touches. Once the shop was feature complete and operating, we then invited them back along with a couple more people to check it out again, as well as shop. During the second test, they were able to purchase items and add reviews. Perhaps the reviews are biased because they were friends and also invited guests, but there was certainly no padding or coercing on our part. They wrote what they wanted, and as Beardo basically said, it's all great product what's bad to say about it?

Regardless, it's live and all of you are invited to throw in your two cents. Obviously unappropriate reviews and flames will be deleted, but if you hate the quality of something we stock, no one's going to keep you from voicing your opnion about it. That's why it's there.

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 02:36 PM

Another thing...

Now that people have begun ordering, I'm sure pretty soon ,many of them will come back and start posting about how it went. In fact, I encourage you to do so. Like the design, and the product, the service is all top notch.

I truly doubt there's any other mailorder putting in the effort that Four The Hard Way is. Raising the bar has been the cornerstone of what we've strived for since day one in everything we do. It took a lot of people, time, and effort to make that shop happen, so go have a look. If you like something you see, spend a couple bucks on it. As stated earlier you're completely covered, but I guarantee personally you'll be very pleased or your money back. And meanwhile you'll be supporting this site and all the other projects we're working hard to bring to light.

Dick Quickwood

07-02-2003, 02:56 PM

[img]http://www.fredhwilliams.com/mrkr2.gif'>

pplease

seeking

07-02-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
My only beef with this sheet is the outrageous price on caps...I know that shit doesnt cost that much to make...8$ for 30 caps?! Id rather spend the 10$ i always spend and get 200 of em.

i have never in my life found german caps for anywhere near that cheap. in a graff store, they're usually 25-50 cents a piece, and every mail order spot i can think of, they run about $11 for 40. i think you're thinking of american caps, and even then, the 'standard' is $8 for 100.

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 06:03 PM

that's what I'm saying. I paid $30 for 100 at Scrap Yard last time I was out there just cause I needed a stash right quick.

--zeSto--

07-02-2003, 06:19 PM

just checked it.

Biggest +
The script writing thoughout! Very nice touch. I'm a script nerd.

Biggest -
A bit of a slow load and in almost every other case I've seen, Canada doesn't count as 'International'.
If you dont ship to Canada you should make it clear on the FAQ.

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 06:47 PM

thanks for the thorough review...

i realize it's a bit slow, as is the board. we're working towards getting upgraded hardware (it's mentioned in another post). guess it's bound to happen with a zillion kids pounding the site.

as far as the canada thing, i'll check into that. not sure what the deal is with it, but i'll bring it to the right person's attention.

sneak

07-02-2003, 07:06 PM

but when will orders go international? dont alienate the world outside of america (its pretty big ya know)

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 07:17 PM

no idea.

problem is setting it up to ship international, as well as handling credit card transactions. UPS doesnt quote int'l in realtime usually, plus there's all kinds of customs declarations and stuff we need to do on our end. Lastly, there's a high rate of fraud (especially eastern europe) and it's nearly impossible to track down or prevent with what we have currently available.

like I said, we're looking into it, but it probably wont be for a while.

sneak

07-02-2003, 07:27 PM

fair enough...hopefully by the time it happens ill have enough money and a credit card to spend...:)

WebsterUno

07-02-2003, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
that's what I'm saying. I paid $30 for 100 at Scrap Yard last time I was out there just cause I needed a stash right quick.

Yeah, thats what Im sayin too.
I pay .40 cents per german cap.
(grey with black dot)
Thats why Im stocking up with 4THW.
They got the stock, and good prices.
Its a name I can trust, and theyre
whole setup looks legit. And now
after what Raven has said, Im sold.
NY fats and Thins go for .25 cents cap.

:)

Spike

07-02-2003, 07:58 PM

You can build gradually... start with shipping to "trusted" EU countries (UK, Italy, France, Germany etc. etc.) then eventually when you feel you can deal with the threat of fraudsters and find ways of stopping them, move eastwards. 12oz worldwide!

No but really, as long as the UK can get access as soon as possible to that stuff I'm happy.

WebsterUno

07-02-2003, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
3. http://www.visa.com

hahaha...thanx

thanx also, for the other info.
Im sold. But Im still getting my
shit sent elsewhere.

:)

Parted Ways

07-02-2003, 08:25 PM

oh man...this is getting really tempting...hell, i guess i'll buy some things right now.

::edit::

i use paypal

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 08:48 PM

just to let you guys know... basically everything in the sweatshop section is really limited, especially the toys and prints. theVapors artist series 1 prints are in real high demand and will probably be sold out pretty quick, so if you're considering any of that stuff, you better grab it while you can.

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 08:56 PM

anyone use c2it? It's basically the same as paypal, but it's free to send or recieve.

http://www.c2it.com

------------

we're setting up paypal for you gusy right now. should be ready by mid next week or so.

old*824

07-02-2003, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by ARCEL
it would be really cool if you guys made your own super-staining ink, id buy it for sure. or if you at least had marsh...
yeah...id buy a half gallon ora qaurt of marsh and some steel marsh markers.
and what about getting empty mops to sell with the marsh?

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 09:10 PM

like I said, I'll pass on a link to this thread, but it might be best to send some of these suggestions straight to them at [email protected]

Parted Ways

07-02-2003, 09:15 PM

oh and another thing, i just ordered something and i live in florida. i don't think i saw any sales tax included..??

T.T Boy

07-02-2003, 09:23 PM

shipping to canada isnt like shipping to lithuania.
actually i doubt anyone from eastern europe would buy stuff from there anyways.
the eu should be just fine.
i use this site enough and id like to put some sort of cash back into your pocket raven for all the years of cheap entertainment. please, try your best to make it internationally.

oh and get some more inks and markers.

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Parted Ways
oh and another thing, i just ordered something and i live in florida. i don't think i saw any sales tax included..??

currently we're not collecting sales tax. very few orders get placed from florida, so in the meantime we'll swallow it.

since you've actually placed an order, what did you think of the process?

(thanks for the support)

Misteraven

07-02-2003, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by T.T Boy
shipping to canada isnt like shipping to lithuania.
actually i doubt anyone from eastern europe would buy stuff from there anyways.
the eu should be just fine.
i use this site enough and id like to put some sort of cash back into your pocket raven for all the years of cheap entertainment. please, try your best to make it internationally.

oh and get some more inks and markers.

Canada will definately be next on the agenda and should be implemented relatively soon. EU will definitely be next, but as stated, teh logistics of shipping overseas isnt simple. Obviously the more you guys scream out for it (as well as othewr features and products) the sooner you stand to see it happen.

Parted Ways

07-02-2003, 09:31 PM

the process was simple and easy. i like it. kudos!

but like t.t boy said, more markers and ink, please.

best believe this will be the main spizzot to shizzop for me, d00d.

T.T Boy

07-02-2003, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
Canada will definately be next on the agenda and should be implemented relatively soon. EU will definitely be next, but as stated, teh logistics of shipping overseas isnt simple. Obviously the more you guys scream out for it (as well as othewr features and products) the sooner you stand to see it happen.

cool its good to hear. im definatly waiting on it.

hold the cup

07-02-2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Parted Ways
best believe this will be the main spizzot to shizzop for me

IN FLAMES

07-02-2003, 10:42 PM

Hook it up threw PAYPAL. I use that shit a lot. It would make it hella easy.

yoink

07-02-2003, 11:09 PM

The site is def. a plus, Its layed out nice, and not corny like some other sites, it looks like your shopping at a decent store which is good.
Im going to order some stuff soon, just as soon as I get my paycheck.

I hope to have some more goodies available very shortly
Yes Please.:cool:

I hope as the site grows, and the popularity of it the selection will as well, but shit kudos for getting something like it up and running.

Misteraven

07-03-2003, 12:05 AM

thanks.

this is just a revision 1 project. as long as we keep getting feedback about what works and what doesn't, we'll keep logging the comments and refine the shop as we go along.

next up on the agenda is the www.12ozProphet .com (http://www.12ozprophet .com). Now that the shop is out of the way, we're planning a massive relaunch of this site. hopefully, as the shop gets more business, we'll have the cash flow to develope lots of cool stuff for both this site and www.theVapors.com (http://www.thevapors .com). we're working hard right now to get the ends to buy new servers, so all the support you guys provide by shopping at 4THW will be put to good use.

diggity

07-03-2003, 03:56 PM

[img]http://www.fourthehardway.com/images/uni_paint_m.jpg'>

i havent been able to find these hardly anywhere around where i'm living. chirstmas is going to have to come a little early this year.

Misteraven

07-03-2003, 04:12 PM

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Misteraven

07-03-2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by TerraRyzeR
They should start selling stickers. i know i'd O'D n by a lot.

we generally give away stickers with every order.

BROWNer

07-03-2003, 04:26 PM

somebody mentioned paypal...
i don't know if you're thinking of taking that route or
whatever, but as a cautionary note, do research on them
before you adjudicate..i've heard very sketchy things about
them.

Tyler Durden

07-03-2003, 05:27 PM

.......there goes me trying to save money. fuck. i need that first truck print as well as the joker one. not t mention an assload of caps.

PHYNE

07-03-2003, 06:15 PM

id order from 4thw but i got burned about a year ago when 12oz and all that shit went out of buisness,but i did receive a fat ass package about a year later to make up for it,what the fuck am i gonna do with 500 rusto fats? haha man i had to sell those bitches...i dont know what im saying.....ok heres a question???...is this site/orders gonna be actually shipped and not stolen or lost in the mail or am i gonna have to wait 3 years to get caps i ordered from you? i dont know i just dont trust to many sites that sell graff shit......:o but if its all good imma order....

Misteraven

07-03-2003, 07:28 PM

trust me, nobody got burned worse when 7th heaven/urp collapsed than we did. we lost our building and most of what was in it. regardless, i always tried to make right with anyone that contacted me about their missing orders as you've just mentioned, and will continue to do so until it's all been settled.

to the best of my knowledge there was only about a week's discrepency or so from when our shipping account got cancelled and packages got returned to us, or never left the dock. beyond that there was only a few days where payments were processed before we finally realized that things were definitely shutting down. the rest of the orders recieved we're never opened or cashed, so if you contact us, we'll send back your original letter. however, there really wasnt much more than a week and a half where orders entered our system, but were never processed.

my apologies to anyone that was affected by it and like i said, despite the fact that we lost our asses, we'll do whatever we can to clean up any lingering mess. i'm sure many will remember we ran a very tight ship for years and even went so far as to send out 3 volumes worth of full color, 48 page catalogs that we're better than many mags that were trying to charge $5.00 at the time. besides all the great things we did with 7th heaven, we've also supported this site out of pocket for many years now.

i know it sucks to get jerked, and i'm not making excuses for it. but like i said, hit us up, and we'll get you sorted.

*however, there's not much to worry about when you use your credit card since if you don't get your goods, you can dispute the charges. you're fully protected. just remember that though it varies from state to state, that if you dispute charges from a purchase, and they can prove the goods were shipped, that you might be subject to a fine in addition to getting recharged kinda like when you bounce a check.

thanks for the support.

Misteraven

07-03-2003, 07:38 PM

On a lighter note... How you gonna front on some custom packaged caps, with a free sticker from theVapors Project (http://www.thevapors.com)?!

Four The Hard Way - Caps Section (http://www.fourthehardway.com/default.php?cPath=24_39)

[img]http://www.fourthehardway.com/images/ny_thins_m.jpg'>

--zeSto--

07-03-2003, 07:42 PM

did you guys get that letter about my not receiving that 'PAPAKILO7' belt buckle?

ok.. lame joke.
I had a few of the old catalogs and they were really packed with content.
Sure a bunch of it wouldn't sell like it used to. You can get fat laces in any
show store these days, but if you stick with the rare tools as your bread and butter
with a few art prints as your gravy, then I'm sure things will blow up.

Misteraven

07-03-2003, 08:49 PM

like i said, we're working on product, so we should be getting lots of stuff in as we go along. we pretty much have all the basics down though.

Oprah Oner

07-03-2003, 09:33 PM

I just got my package tonight...i ordered it TUESDAY NIGHT and used the standard UPS ground. Not only did it get here with the quickness, but there was a free cd and sticker and so on. I'm impressed.

Parted Ways

07-03-2003, 11:46 PM

hmm, for some reason i don't have the motivation to make my own silver ink anymore. do you plan to carry krink? i just want to buy krink in the bottle that's not already in a shoe cleaner.

Misteraven

07-04-2003, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Oprah Oner
I just got my package tonight...i ordered it TUESDAY NIGHT and used the standard UPS ground. Not only did it get here with the quickness, but there was a free cd and sticker and so on. I'm impressed.

glad your satisfied. we're doing our best to process and ship orders the same day. at worst it goes out the next business day. and as you noted, we throw free stuff into every order.

thanks for supporting us by shopping at www.fourthehardway (http://www.fourthehardway)

Misteraven

07-04-2003, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by Parted Ways
hmm, for some reason i don't have the motivation to make my own silver ink anymore. do you plan to carry krink? i just want to buy krink in the bottle that's not already in a shoe cleaner.

we're working on Krink right now. if all goes well, we'll have it in a week or two.

colour

07-04-2003, 02:29 AM

they should offer USPS shipping option, i dont mind waiting a week to get my shit if it doesnt mean spending $25 on a bag of tips+shipping.

caL

07-04-2003, 02:49 AM

wack prices

BeetNIK

07-04-2003, 03:47 AM

I tried like four times last night to get an account, and Im currently trying right now. lets hope it works. prices are dope dude, where else you find germans that cheap, sprapex.com is the only place i know...

BeetNIK

07-04-2003, 03:52 AM

damn, 5.95 for shipping? that hurts...

Misteraven

07-04-2003, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by colour
they should offer USPS shipping option, i dont mind waiting a week to get my shit if it doesnt mean spending $25 on a bag of tips+shipping.

we dont offer usps cause they suck. they lose and damage more packages than any other carrier. plus there nowhere near as professional as UPS.

Misteraven

07-04-2003, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by caL
wack prices

compared to who? let's see you back that up with some facts.

Dick Quickwood

07-04-2003, 04:05 AM

25 orange dots are 7 bucks at bombingscience, so if im doing the math right, fourthehardway sells em for 4 cents less a peice

colour

07-04-2003, 04:15 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
we dont offer usps cause they suck. they lose and damage more packages than any other carrier. plus there nowhere near as professional as UPS.

fuck it dude yall should just offer it with ^^^ as a side note or something.

Dick Quickwood

07-04-2003, 04:17 AM

usps does suck, they allways find a way to make containers of ink leak. fedex seems good...

Misteraven

07-04-2003, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by BeetNIK
damn, 5.95 for shipping? that hurts...

GAP.com
http://www.gap.com/html/gifting_frame.asp#shipping
up to $25 = $5.95
$25.01-$50 = $6.95
$50.01-$75 = $8.95
$75.01-$100 = $10.95
$100.01-$150 = $12.95
$150.01-$200 = $13.95
$200.01-and up = $15.95

Shopecko.com
http://www.shopecko.com/cgi-bin/frontrunne...T&rs=T&bu=0&ki= (http://www.shopecko.com/cgi-bin/frontrunner.cgi?ri=170&rc=ECKO&ro=T&rs=T&bu=0&ki=)
$0 - $25 = $4.95
$25.01 - $50 = $6.95
$50.01 - $100 = $9.95
$100.01 - $150 = $11.95
$150.01 - $200 = $12.95
$200.01 - $300 = $14.95
$300.01 - $400 = $19.95
$400.01 + = $24.95

Polo.com
http://www.polo.com/cgi-bin/polo/polo/assi...ipping.jsp#ship (http://www.polo.com/cgi-bin/polo/polo/assistance/customer_shipping.jsp#ship)
0 - $25 = $6.00
$25.01 - $50.00 = $7.00
$50.01 - $75.00 = $8.00
$75.01 - $100.00 = $10.00
$100.01 - $150.00 = $12.00
$150.01 - $200.00 = $13.00
$200.01 - $299.99 = $15.00
$300.00+ = $0.00

Abercrombie.com
http://www.abercrombie.com/anf/onlinestore...p_shipping.html (http://www.abercrombie.com/anf/onlinestore/html/help_shipping.html)
$25.00 and under = $5.95
$25.01 - $50.00 = $6.95
$50.01 - $75.00 = $8.95
$75.01 - $100.00 = $10.95
$100.01 - $200.00 = $12.95
Over $200.00 = $15.95

Fourthehardway.com
http://www.fourthehardway.com/shipping.php#i
$0 - $25 = $5.95
$25.01 - $50 = $6.95
$50.01 - $75 = $7.95
$75.01 - $100 = $8.95
$100.01 - $150 = $9.95
$150.01 - $200 = $10.95
Over $200+ = $12.95
* Plus free shipping on all orders over $100 for the next few months.

-------------------------

Considering we ship to your door step insured, with real time tracking all the way, and free stuff in every order, is it really that expensive? Obviously it sucks if your only buying a marker, but most people don't do that.

As you can see we're pretty much below average on shipping costs, all things considered.

Smart

07-04-2003, 04:20 AM

Look, UPS is global, fuck national... and, the 'handling' part of the cost is real, people need to process your stuff, even if they were paid exorbitantly, at least the money is going back into the community right?

Nah, look, nobody that wants to order is gonna be stopped by a totally fair shipping rate so take that talk down the road and let's get down to it...

Misteraven

07-04-2003, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by ARCEL
25 orange dots are 7 bucks at bombingscience, so if im doing the math right, fourthehardway sells em for 4 cents less a peice

Not to brag, but like everything else we do, we come correct. Our's are custom packaged with a free sticker in every pack on top of being competitively priced.

Misteraven

07-04-2003, 04:29 AM

Bottom line is this... Nobody here's twisting any arms. We created the best site we could, and stocked it with some of the best product we could find, at prices that are at least standard if not below average.

Hopefully, you see something you like and make a purchase. If so, you get a good deal while helping support projects like this message board and the next issue of the magazine. If not, no hard feelings... keep doing your thing and feel privileged that we help keep the culture alive by providing you stuff like The Writers Forum.

Misteraven

07-04-2003, 02:31 PM

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mr.yuck

07-04-2003, 02:37 PM

I was checkin out the site and thought everything was pretty dope. I'm gonna have to go out and make some money now. I dont understand what the problem with 7th heaven was cuz i got everything i ordered quickly and fatter than what was supposed to be sent. Anyway i'm glad to see that something new has been set up cuz i can't find any shops localy that have any tools of the trade.

Misteraven

07-04-2003, 11:31 PM

so what would you guys like to see that's not already there? we've got a few items in the works, but i'm curious about what else people might be interested in?

Dirty_habiT

07-04-2003, 11:59 PM

Import some inks from Europe. That'd be fantastic. If you could also get some of those newer varieties of Montona and Molotow paints, that'd be great too.

...Just suggestions.

Parted Ways

07-05-2003, 12:45 AM

i'd say more markers and inks.

quite possibly graffiti videos as well, though i already have a decent amount of them. haha

Dick Quickwood

07-05-2003, 02:10 AM

otr products
inks (marsh, otr, corio, nero d' inferno, mabey make your own

Misteraven

07-05-2003, 03:42 AM

what about t-shirts and hoodies? any particular brands anyone want to see?

IDrinkSprite

07-05-2003, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by TerraRyzeR
madsoul ecko
nonononononononono.if your bring clothing into it,then create your own line,but don't create the clothing with cheap fabrics please.i bought a few shirts off of random sites and they were fuckin terrible;)

crave

07-05-2003, 03:36 PM

i'd buy a vapors hoodie or shirt. i like that idea.

dorkone

07-05-2003, 05:00 PM

id buy one too...

hold the cup

07-05-2003, 06:12 PM

freshjive..for clothes

caL

07-05-2003, 06:34 PM

lol anyone buy any of those weird ass toys?

fect_9

07-05-2003, 07:08 PM

dope new shop they got, are they going to restock any of the old 12 oz prophet magazines,posters or clothing??

fuckoff

07-05-2003, 09:23 PM

how much is shipping on 100 caps?

PHYNE

07-05-2003, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
trust me, nobody got burned worse when 7th heaven/urp collapsed than we did. we lost our building and most of what was in it. regardless, i always tried to make right with anyone that contacted me about their missing orders as you've just mentioned, and will continue to do so until it's all been settled.

to the best of my knowledge there was only about a week's discrepency or so from when our shipping account got cancelled and packages got returned to us, or never left the dock. beyond that there was only a few days where payments were processed before we finally realized that things were definitely shutting down. the rest of the orders recieved we're never opened or cashed, so if you contact us, we'll send back your original letter. however, there really wasnt much more than a week and a half where orders entered our system, but were never processed.

my apologies to anyone that was affected by it and like i said, despite the fact that we lost our asses, we'll do whatever we can to clean up any lingering mess. i'm sure many will remember we ran a very tight ship for years and even went so far as to send out 3 volumes worth of full color, 48 page catalogs that we're better than many mags that were trying to charge $5.00 at the time. besides all the great things we did with 7th heaven, we've also supported this site out of pocket for many years now.

i know it sucks to get jerked, and i'm not making excuses for it. but like i said, hit us up, and we'll get you sorted.

*however, there's not much to worry about when you use your credit card since if you don't get your goods, you can dispute the charges. you're fully protected. just remember that though it varies from state to state, that if you dispute charges from a purchase, and they can prove the goods were shipped, that you might be subject to a fine in addition to getting recharged kinda like when you bounce a check.

thanks for the support.

no hard feeling here....like i said i did receive something but it wasnt what i ordered but i guess theres nothing anyone can do when your buisness goes outta well,buisness,ill be ordering soon.......

also*you should at leats make the german thin packs like atleast 50 for 8 bucks....but thats just me,or carry even 100 in a bag...its a better deal to me........but whatever,imma still order..peace.....

mr.yuck

07-05-2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
what about t-shirts and hoodies? any particular brands anyone want to see?

like some of these other guys have said i would definately rock a vapors hoodie. I only have one request though: If you do make your own hoodies will you take us big headed fools into consideration when it comes to the hoods. I hate snug hoods.

I dont think i'd be interested in seeing any kind of ecko or what ever else.

IntangibleFame

07-06-2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by seeking
i have never in my life found german caps for anywhere near that cheap. in a graff store, they're usually 25-50 cents a piece, and every mail order spot i can think of, they run about $11 for 40. i think you're thinking of american caps, and even then, the 'standard' is $8 for 100.
Yhea I got 100 german thins, 50 ny thins, and 50 rusto fats...thats all i be usin.

Originally posted by ARCEL
[img]http://www.fredhwilliams.com/mrkr2.gif'>
pplease

You really want some maybe we can make a trade fo some t-grade?

IntangibleFame

07-06-2003, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
what about t-shirts and hoodies? any particular brands anyone want to see?

I could care less...but i bet you could get heads buyin upperplayground shit...maybe start tryin to pick up artist t-shirts too...adams family, RSE, those oldschool shirts that got like run dmc and rakim on em...some of that sort or shit...maybe some aesop rock shirts for the backpack kids.

Dick Quickwood

07-06-2003, 09:17 AM

misfits shirts !

Daze One Million

07-06-2003, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by mr.yuck
like some of these other guys have said i would definately rock a vapors hoodie. I only have one request though: If you do make your own hoodies will you take us big headed fools into consideration when it comes to the hoods. I hate snug hoods.

I dont think i'd be interested in seeing any kind of ecko or what ever else.

yea keep the head room, we want luxery hoodies, and fuck the ecko, you can get that at filenes, i wouldnt mind seeing the vapors hoody either :cool:

Dick Quickwood

07-06-2003, 09:40 AM

12oz shirts

Daze One Million

07-06-2003, 09:42 AM

^ with your handle on one sleeve and your sig on the back or someshit

PHYNE

07-06-2003, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by ARCEL
misfits shirts !

no doubt...my 3 misfits shirts are lookin beat........100 german thins for 15 bucks....! thats where the deal is....:P

johnny

07-06-2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by ARCEL
on the run products
inks (marsh, otr, corio, nero d' inferno)

bling

Misteraven

07-06-2003, 06:58 PM

we've actually got some 12ozProphet and theVapors Project shirts in the works. Should be dropping relatively soon, so keep your eyes peeled.

keep the suggestions coming...

IntangibleFame

07-07-2003, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
we've actually got some 12ozProphet and theVapors Project shirts in the works. Should be dropping relatively soon, so keep your eyes peeled.

keep the suggestions coming...

Even though I dont like rocking that sort of shit, I would definately buy a 12oz t-shirt. Sho Nuff

Dick Quickwood

07-07-2003, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
Even though I dont like rocking that sort of shit, I would definately buy a 12oz t-shirt. Sho Nuff

exactly, im hoping they dont make the logo graffiti-related

Misteraven

07-07-2003, 03:05 PM

I'm sure most you guys that like how the mmagazine is designed will dig the shirt artwork. Not that it'll be the same thing, but it's being designed by all the same people.

Misteraven

07-07-2003, 03:10 PM

UNI BROAD PAINT MARKER (http://www.fourthehardway.com/product_info.php?products_id=41)
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[img]http://www.fourthehardway.com/images/uni_paint_m.jpg'>

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imported_WISE

07-07-2003, 04:26 PM

I'd like to see more mags and books.
I don't have much trouble finding markers n shit, but trying to find obscure design/graff mags is hard as shit. And fuck a bunch of amazon.

I like selection at http://www.turntablelab.com

And the artist signed posters are hot (and expensive)!

Dirty_habiT

07-07-2003, 04:27 PM

I sho love uni's.

--zeSto--

07-07-2003, 04:40 PM

posterman markers!

and 'softball' caps. I'm pretty sure they go under different names
in different places, but the last ones I had were built like a ny fat
but the flow came out really slow. Perfect for fades.

Parted Ways

07-07-2003, 05:56 PM

bump because my package came today. although i received everything but my joker poster for some reason. who do i get in contact with?

mr.yuck

07-07-2003, 06:13 PM

Hey KILO posterman markers are those regular sized markers with the retarded big nib that makes them look like a T right. You don't have those in Canada?

beardo

07-07-2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Parted Ways
bump because my package came today. although i received everything but my joker poster for some reason. who do i get in contact with?

its got a little blurb on the site about this. its a poster, so its in a protective tube. they cant mail it in the same box as the rest of your order. im sure it will be there any minute now.

Harpo Marx

07-07-2003, 07:59 PM

limited print writer-designed T-Shirts
limited stuff signed by writers
the dondi book, spraycan art, subway art
Graphotism
12 oz. messanger bags
Posterman Markers
Stencil Kits(?) or Instructions, that may not be a good idea, but nevertheless.
...what is this reflective silver ink?
Locks of Seeking's hair...

I'm guessing it would be too difficult, but just a thought, maybe set up a bidding/trading part of the site.

Misteraven

07-07-2003, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by Parted Ways
bump because my package came today. although i received everything but my joker poster for some reason. who do i get in contact with?

Posters are shipped separately in a tube. normally they arrive the same day since they ship the same day. Regardless, give it an extra day or so, or contact [email protected] to have them look into it.

*oops just noticed Beardo's response. But, yeah, it's sent like that to protect it. Sorry they didnt arrive together.

Dick Quickwood

07-08-2003, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by Kilo7-

and 'softball' caps. I'm pretty sure they go under different names
in different places, but the last ones I had were built like a ny fat
but the flow came out really slow. Perfect for fades.

as in bluedots ?

Dick Quickwood

07-08-2003, 05:23 AM

i thought raven would be interested..

http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthrea...900#post1106900 (http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1106900#post1106900)

http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthrea...907#post1106907 (http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1106907#post1106907)

http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthrea...904#post1106904 (http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1106904#post1106904)

http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthrea...889#post1106889 (http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1106889#post1106889)

IntangibleFame

07-08-2003, 06:38 AM

I have in the works 2 concept ideas for t-shirts that once created will be in limited print. I have spoke to smart about these ideas...inwhich he replied "haha" that means they are approved by him as being funny.

Misteraven

07-08-2003, 12:14 PM

we're looking into that Dalek book.

Misteraven

07-08-2003, 12:18 PM

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theVapors Project Issue 1 (http://www.fourthehardway.com/product_info.php?products_id=70) features a special collector's edition scratchiti cover, 48 full-color pages, and enough down and dirty graff to make your local vandal squad beg for mercy.

Keep an eye out for the heavy hitting sequel - theVapors Issue 2. Dropping Fall 2003.

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kido

07-08-2003, 06:06 PM

Wow!! The stuff that I ordered got here like a week before i thought it would.

Thanks Guys.

IntangibleFame

07-08-2003, 09:28 PM

for like 40$ i can get people the big gallon containers of marsh...i think they cost 70$ otherwise. :confused: :cool:

mr.yuck

07-08-2003, 09:36 PM

You know, I've looked in various art and ink supply stores around various place i've lived in america and searched for it on the web and have never found anybody that knows what i am talking about. If i could get a gallon of that madness i would be greatly appreciated.

The reduced price would be great as well considering the lacking funds available in my budget. Hit me on my email though for real.

IntangibleFame

07-08-2003, 09:39 PM

theres like the reg shit, and then t-grade where they throw the lead in for free! shit smells like black death though...god

Misteraven

07-08-2003, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by kido
Wow!! The stuff that I ordered got here like a week before i thought it would.

Thanks Guys.

No Problem.

Like I was saying before, most orders get processed same day. At worst it goes out the next business day.

Anyhow, thanks for supporting us.

mr.yuck

07-08-2003, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
theres like the reg shit, and then t-grade where they throw the lead in for free! shit smells like black death though...god

whats up with adding lead to the mix. I have no idea what is up with marsh but a gallon of any ink for $40 is well worth the money.

oh i heard that t grade is toxic or some shit. Not meant to be inhaled. Whats up with that?

Parted Ways

07-08-2003, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by beardo
its got a little blurb on the site about this. its a poster, so its in a protective tube. they cant mail it in the same box as the rest of your order. im sure it will be there any minute now.
ahh ok, thanks.

Misteraven

07-09-2003, 12:38 PM

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Misteraven

07-09-2003, 03:19 PM

We're working on international shipping, but it's going to be a little bit before we do it.

Misteraven

07-09-2003, 05:55 PM

Just a heads up to let you guys know that theVapors Artsist Series 1 Prints and the Joker Prints are selling quick. If you wanted one and haven't gotten it yet, you might want to jump on it before they sell out or you'll kick yourself in the ass for not getting one later.

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*Includes all four prints.

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 12:59 AM

couple more truck series posters out the door...

kido

07-10-2003, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
No Problem.

Like I was saying before, most orders get processed same day. At worst it goes out the next business day.

Anyhow, thanks for supporting us.

yea, reason i was saying that it would take an extra week is b/c i work there, and dis-trust the reliability of UPS, through my experience.

IntangibleFame

07-10-2003, 09:06 AM

zee zee how much it cost to ship to aus?

Dick Quickwood

07-10-2003, 09:16 AM

its fucking expensive

www.usps.com (http://www.usps.com)

IntangibleFame

07-10-2003, 09:20 AM

I can exchange those streaks for something aussie...like a kangaroo?

Dick Quickwood

07-10-2003, 09:24 AM

mercurochrome is available in austraila

IntangibleFame

07-10-2003, 09:38 AM

that word doesnt sound like kangaroo...

Dick Quickwood

07-10-2003, 09:44 AM

youve been reading marker modifications lately right ?

IntangibleFame

07-10-2003, 09:48 AM

no i get sick of the third rail and that bullshit

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 11:07 AM

and to get back on topic...

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KING BLING

07-10-2003, 11:24 AM

[img]http://www.fourthehardway.com/images/CF014_M.gif'>

good album

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 11:40 AM

we've been looking into the whole paypal thing as some of you requested and have discovered an avalanche of horror stories from people burned by them. anyone have any bad experiences first hand? we're kinda rethinking the decision, so nows the time to voice an opinion.

http://paypalsucks.com/

casekonly

07-10-2003, 01:33 PM

i didn't have a hard time with them, but i do know people who have been ripped off by those nazi's at paypal. one guys money was just "taken" by them for no apparent reason. apparently, if you read into the contract/agreement, they can do that. i believe he sued, but it was to no avail.

i'd check into something else, but i'm not too sure of any other payment services like paypal.

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 02:36 PM

well, i'm open to alternative payment suggestions if anyone has any solid ideas. the best paypal replacement i've seen is c2it. it's gaining popularity on ebay and i've used it personally for over a year. top notch for sure, but it's not worth adding that to the store if no one else uses it.

anyhow, any good suggestions will be seriously considered.

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 02:55 PM

special shout out to www.beinghunted.com (http://www.beinghunted.com) for the quick plug.

check them out... lots of cool news and updates.

yoink

07-10-2003, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
we're looking into that Dalek book.
yeah I want that.;)

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 07:03 PM

few more prints, gone...

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Parted Ways

07-10-2003, 07:07 PM

bump. just got the joker print in the mail todayZ.

bufme1

07-10-2003, 07:09 PM

how bout 5 gallon buckets of marsh or griff??????

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Parted Ways
bump. just got the joker print in the mail todayZ.

So, what do you think? What's your opinion overall? If you don't mind, take a moment and submit a review on the product pages of whatever you ordered.

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 07:39 PM

You guys do know that you can read and write recviews for any of the products, right? Link is on each product page.

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by bufme1
how bout 5 gallon buckets of marsh or griff??????

sure we'll forklift em onto pallettes and freight forward them to your doorstep in hydraulic lift equipped tractor trailers.

imported_WISE

07-10-2003, 07:46 PM

you could check into http://www.checkfree.com rather than paypal.
those guys are secure.

Misteraven

07-10-2003, 07:54 PM

Just took a look them. they seem to be more for paying recurring bills than a payment service for purchases, Not sure it'll work for an online store.

Misteraven

07-11-2003, 12:30 AM

seems like caps and posters are the hot items. caps will always be around, but posters are dwindling fast.

Dirty_habiT

07-11-2003, 12:52 AM

Haha, Misteraven Thread Bumper..... I need one The Vapors Grappling Hook for those hard to reach spots.

BROWNer

07-11-2003, 01:02 AM

oh my, you guys are carrying BROWN streaksz...oh shit..
i'm gonna have to order a bunch of those..and the black ones
too.

Dick Quickwood

07-11-2003, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Dirty_habiT
Haha, Misteraven Thread Bumper..... I need one The Vapors Grappling Hook for those hard to reach spots.

:idea:

Misteraven

07-11-2003, 02:26 AM

what?! me shamelessly bump a thread? never!

kido

07-11-2003, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
sure we'll forklift em onto pallettes and freight forward them to your doorstep in hydraulic lift equipped tractor trailers. :)

Misteraven

07-11-2003, 01:23 PM

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webmaster

07-11-2003, 04:57 PM

We've gotten a ton of emails with questions and comments about mail order stuff. Though we are partner companies, we aren't under one roof, or capable of looking into any mailorder records.

Please direct your questions to [email protected] or you can use their CUSTOMER SERVICE (http://www.fourthehardway.com/contact_us.php) form. Also, they have a pretty good FAQ (http://www.fourthehardway.com/shipping.php) that answers most questions.

Thanks.

Spike

07-11-2003, 05:37 PM

Out of Joker prints already!??! Fuuuuuck.....

Misteraven

07-11-2003, 05:38 PM

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Misteraven

07-11-2003, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Spike
Out of Joker prints already!??! Fuuuuuck.....

They're still listed on the site, so that means there's still at least one left. Last I checked there were a couple, but not many.

Poop Man Bob

07-11-2003, 07:01 PM

I just did my part and sent $36 your way.

Parted Ways

07-11-2003, 09:31 PM

hey poop, if you happen to get print # 100/100, are you willing to trade?

Misteraven

07-11-2003, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
I just did my part and sent $36 your way.

Cool, thanks for the support.

kido

07-12-2003, 02:44 AM

dolla' dolla' bills ya'll

bump,so raven doesn't have to.

Dirty_habiT

07-12-2003, 02:49 AM

hahaha.... relentless geezer lovers.

Misteraven

07-12-2003, 01:05 PM

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rubbish heap

07-12-2003, 05:25 PM

i wish they'd accept money orders :shook: :shook: :shook:

Misteraven

07-12-2003, 09:08 PM

sorry. we're trying to keep inventory running in real time. why not give the loot to a friend and have them order it for you?

IntangibleFame

07-12-2003, 09:20 PM

in my experience paypall has worked good...but I think recently they switched up how they function...and I have not used it since...so it may not be the best route to go.

mr.yuck

07-13-2003, 01:45 AM

when i got a new password from 4THW they put some shit in it that i dont know how to do. If some one could tell me how to make an "e" with this "^" above it and an "a" with one of these ".." above it.

Why the hell would they put something so confusing in my password?

IntangibleFame

07-13-2003, 01:56 AM

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Misteraven

07-13-2003, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by mr.yuck
when i got a new password from 4THW they put some shit in it that i dont know how to do. If some one could tell me how to make an "e" with this "^" above it and an "a" with one of these ".." above it.

Why the hell would they put something so confusing in my password?

That seems kinda odd. Not sure what the issue is. Regardless, try copying/pasting the password. Passwords are picked by you when you register, not by 4thw so it shouldnt have been an issue.

If all else fails, either re-register or email [email protected]

Misteraven

07-13-2003, 02:43 PM

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sneak

07-13-2003, 04:02 PM

is solo accepted in payment wise?

Spike

07-13-2003, 04:09 PM

Aren't you on the wrong side of the Atlantic?

sneak

07-13-2003, 04:12 PM

i am, but when the time comes for international shipping i wanna be able to purchase stuff

Spike

07-13-2003, 04:40 PM

Hmm, ok, I've yet to come across anywhere outside of the UK that takes Solo/Switch.... But we can always hope.

sneak

07-13-2003, 09:45 PM

^^thats poor. i always thought i could use it anywhere...
i seem to remember my older brother using his solo card in the states one time.

Misteraven

07-13-2003, 10:17 PM

sorry, i've never even heard of it.

sneak

07-13-2003, 10:18 PM

that is poor..

with my complete lack of knowledge, the best i can explain is that its a symbol on cash cards etc, which means that you can hand it over when ourchasing goods, they swipe it, and the money is taken straight from your account.

Spike

07-13-2003, 10:33 PM

I think that the US strays as far as they can from Direct Debit, cuz then credit card companies don't get interest off people who don't pay the bills for a couple of months.

mr.yuck

07-14-2003, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
That seems kinda odd. Not sure what the issue is. Regardless, try copying/pasting the password. Passwords are picked by you when you register, not by 4thw so it shouldnt have been an issue.

If all else fails, either re-register or email [email protected]

I'll try that copying pasting. I just forgot the password i picked. sighhh.

Misteraven

07-14-2003, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by sneak
that is poor..

with my complete lack of knowledge, the best i can explain is that its a symbol on cash cards etc, which means that you can hand it over when ourchasing goods, they swipe it, and the money is taken straight from your account.

sounds to me like a debit card. those are used very often in the states if so. however, over here they have a Visa symbol and are accepted anywhere that accepts Visa or Mastercard.

Misteraven

07-14-2003, 02:31 AM

what do you mean does size matter?

if you mean are passwords case sensitive, the the answer is yes.

mr.yuck

07-14-2003, 02:39 AM

thanks raven. I don't know why i had to register but...well why not.

Misteraven

07-14-2003, 01:34 PM

just a quick update... we'll be offering a very limited run of official shirts sometime in early august. there will be a couple different designs, and each shirt will ship with a couple bonus goodies. i believe size will be limited to large and extra large only, and like i said, it'll be a very limited run so first come, first served.

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Misteraven

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imported_urine

07-15-2003, 05:12 PM

ya'll got some deals on that biznatch. placing my order now. I'm gonna wild out and take you up on that free shipping steez. uni markers and dope art prints like whoa.

Misteraven

07-16-2003, 02:08 PM

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yoink

07-16-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
....... i believe size will be limited to large and extra large only, and like i said, it'll be a very limited run so first come, first served....

What do you think we all are in here a bunch of heifers?! j/k but throw a medium or two in there ;) (wishful thinking of course) Oh and any word on that Dalek book?

07-16-2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by yoink
throw a medium or two in there

yes.. please do

StarzAbove

07-16-2003, 03:34 PM

Have you thought about selling mouse pads with vapors logo or something cause im lookin at mine now and its boring?

Misteraven

07-16-2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by StarzAbove
Have you thought about selling mouse pads with vapors logo or something cause im lookin at mine now and its boring?

yeah, it's definately a thought.

as far as shirt sizes, anytime we ever carried smaller sizes in the past, they just sat there. The large isn't too bad and it's 100% cotton so it will shrink slightly if yuou throw it in the dryer at a high setting.

maybe down the road, we'll mix it up a bit, but since this is such a limited run, we can't break it up too much.

Misteraven

07-17-2003, 02:22 AM

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If you don't feel like purchasing anything, at least take a minute to register and post some reviews.

Thanks.

yoink

07-17-2003, 02:24 AM

two questions,

one in case you missed it the first time, are you guys in the process of gettin more books/zines? like the Dalek one?

two, seriously if you guys put out a shirt, Id rock one, but how large is large? cause you all know some larges are like godamn sheets and others are decent....anyways...that is all.

07-17-2003, 12:23 PM

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Misteraven

07-17-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by yoink
two questions,

one in case you missed it the first time, are you guys in the process of gettin more books/zines? like the Dalek one?

two, seriously if you guys put out a shirt, Id rock one, but how large is large? cause you all know some larges are like godamn sheets and others are decent....anyways...that is all.

we're working on some books now, but arent sure whether we're getting them yet since pricing hasnt been received. kinda hard to compete with amazon on stuff like that. For the most part we're putting our efforts into expanding our own product offering rather than distribute other people's stuff, but we will do our best to carry as much cool and hard to find products as we can.

as far as shirts, i can't say cause i havent had one in hand yet. i generally where larges myself, since i hate that triple xl baggy look, so i'd assume the large would be fine for most people that arent trying to go oversized. we'll try and post some sort of big announcement or something, but just to let you know... the first mass mailout of our newsletter will coincide with the shirts dropping. at last check there were somewhere in the ballpark of 650,000 emails in our database, most of which will be getting the news about them. since this will be a limited run, availability is gonna be tight.

first come, first served.

Misteraven

07-17-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by j
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you're welcome.

thanks for the support, keep it coming...

Misteraven

07-17-2003, 06:21 PM

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