graffiti fashion

[niso]

i have seen loda tops, t-shirt ect. all with some sort of graffiti infulence so i fort i would start thread on it. sorry if there as been one :
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/tshirtalex.jpg'>
alexone t-shirt for hixspet
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/teeshirtmambo.jpg'>
t-shirt by mambo for hixspet
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/swet_oclock.jpg'>
t-shirt by o'clock for hixspet
http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/shoesidesmobey.jpg
obey show for dc show compainy

[niso]

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/shoesidesmobey.jpg'>
obey shoe

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/ref-320.jpg'>
hixsept
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/ref309.jpg'>
hixsept
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/ref306.jpg'>
hixsept
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/lamano797.jpg'>
la mano
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/detailmambo.jpg'>
hixsept

[unconscience]

i guess their OK, but i would never wear one. Graffiti will be played out if this kinda shit keeps happening. that really gets me kinda pissed off, cuz then graffiti will attract even MORE toys.:o

[niso]

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/detailalex.jpg'>
hixsept
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/coloclock.jpg'>
hixsept
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/442.jpg'>
hixsept
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/438.jpg'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/427.jpg'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/417.jpg'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/413.jpg'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/404.jpg'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/207.jpg'>

[unconscience]

do you really LIKE all of these clothes?

cuz if you do...

:lol: @ you.;)

[niso]

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[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/ny0008.jpg'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/ny0005.jpg'>

[niso]

Originally posted by unconscience
do you really LIKE all of these clothes?

cuz if you do...

:lol: @ you.;)
good point. i eny saying i like em all i just fort i would be a good idera for a thread

[crave]

some of them are aight. go ahead and laugh..whatever.

[Vlad]

fresh gear by hix sept

[sweetcherry]

its from grafiteeshirts.com

[img]http://prodtn.cafepress.com/3/3606773_F_tn.jpg'>

[unconscience]

Originally posted by crave
some of them are aight.

yea, but would you rock them?

i refuse to rock graffiti clothes...

1. i feel it blows my spot.
2. i feel most of the clothes blow dick.
3. the more people wear them, the more i hate them.:)

[sweetcherry]

i wouldnt wear em
it would just become some silly fad and eventually it would get played out...like then new lumidee song:lol:

[unconscience]

Originally posted by sweetcherry
it would just become some silly fad and eventually it would get played out

my point exactly.;)

[--zeSto--]

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/442.jpg'>

I dont care what anyone says.... I'd wear that shirt in a second.
I'd be way more into something subtle like the shirt I quoted than
the t-shirts with pieces on them towards the bottom of niso's post.

I dont mind 'graffiti-esque' elements used in traditional art forms,
but I still think just a plain outline across the front of a cheap t-shirt
is a little boring. Plus is does draw a little attention to yourself.

[niso]

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/big-off.gif'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/break-up.gif'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/original.gif'>

[niso]

third decade
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/Sonatine1_med.gif'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/TagStyle2.gif'>

[-->Def$tar!]

hahahaha what are you talking about "will become played out" it already is and has been for a long time now.
There are People out there , Scien and Klor as a notable example, that have paid absolutly NO DUES what so ever , and they are pimpin the fuck out of graffiti aesthetics, the worst part is that becuase the are legal eagals they seem to have no idea what the powerful part fo graffiti is... THE ILLEGAL ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE WRITERS INVOLVED!
I cannot stress this enough! Even the graphic designers fashion designers seem to have caught on to this, look around in any youth oreinted clothing store at the moment, what do you see? DRIPS, incorperated into every design they can squeeze em on.Why? Because it reflects the more chaotic elements of bombing and civil disobedience, No one drips there paint on a chill wall!
So it is my advice that anyone who does suport graffiti in anyway should not partake in this prostitution of our beloved artform.
Let the real writers who are making clothing labels and shit make a buck and sell to all the consuming and easily turned sheep that buy into whatever is fashionable. (edit) *by this I mean ppl like WANE COD with WB clothing, Or In Australia Atome with his current project.*
I think anyone who is trying to make a buck offa graffiti without contributing to it in a valid way truly deserves a beat down!*
Boycott absolutly anything that has graffiti aesthetics but is not done by writers themselves, its not hard to tell, and lets all hope this fuckin fad burns out as quickly as possible so we can get back to wreckin shit in the name of graff not fashion.

[sweetcherry]

Originally posted by -->Def$tar!
prostitution of our beloved artform.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[niso]

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[yoink]

http://troublemerchandise.com/shoe_cover.jpg'>
[i]by
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[crave]

Originally posted by unconscience
yea, but would you rock them?
a few of them would. refer to kilo's post, he put it nicely.

[yoink]

I actually like the drip ones. The one Kilo quoted, and the one orange one is kinda funky. Def. might like akward to others at first, but still kinda neat.

[-->Def$tar!]

Originally posted by yoink
I actually like the drip ones. The one Kilo quoted, and the one orange one is kinda funky. Def. might like akward to others at first, but still kinda neat.
kinda neat? fuck kinda neat, graffiti is raw , rugged and hardcore , anything kinda neat borrowing from graff is just not packing the right kinda punch mate.

[niso]

thos shoews yoink posted i would rock just look at em haha grate stuff

[mental invalid]

i dont want to go down the road again....

so ill just say in a fashion sense....about 99% of that shit....is just foul

[yoink]

Originally posted by -->Def$tar!
.... kinda neat borrowing from graff is just not packing the right kinda punch mate.

Sorry to open your eyes, but its everywhere around you whether you like it or not.
people are so sensitive to their kewl dude scene image.

[Vlad]

[img]http://www.stylefile.de/shop/images/article/dcquxqa.jpg'>
[img]http://www.stylefile.de/shop/images/article/fi7k3nf.jpg'>

[yoink]

On another note, I agree with pretty much everyoner here, I wouldnt so much as take a second glance at the majority of clothing nor would I buy stuff like it, but some can be appreciated, in some form or another.
argument ended.

[sneak]

http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/ref309.jpg'>

you would never see me in this. purely cos its a disgisting orange..
however, some of the clothes arent [i]that bad. i know half of you wouldnt rock them, but id definatly consider one of the toaster t's.

[--zeSto--]

so how come drips on walls = bad
but drips on clothes = cool ?

[imported_El Mamerro]

I'm confused by your use of the word "fort".

[niso]

bit differeant but still with the flow :
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/PHONES2.jpg'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/Tommy4-small.jpg'>
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[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/Tommy2-small.jpg'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/Tommy1-small.jpg'>

[niso]

as in about time :rolleyes: cant spell

[mental invalid]

major gripe.....


put out your own fucking line, fuck tommy h, why attach your shit to something sooooooo played.....

[-->Def$tar!]

Originally posted by yoink
Sorry to open your eyes, but its everywhere around you whether you like it or not.
people are so sensitive to their kewl dude scene image.
I think you misunderstood my original message, I am very aware it is all around us in fact i stated it above, what i was saying is taht it is a problem for writers who care about graffiti and its role within society. Its a case of damage minimisation at this stage.

Im not arguing just trying to clarify myslef somewhat.

[niso]

heist clothing adverits and produts on the link at the bottem:
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[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/pub_heist_xg2-0607_big.jpg'>
http://www.xplicitnetwork.com/heistfiles/c.../2002-2003.html (http://www.xplicitnetwork.com/heistfiles/collec2002/2002-2003.html)

[niso]

look i started this cos its what im seeing day to day, every one seems a bit pissed of that this thread is hera do ya wont to to close it down?

[--zeSto--]

do ya wont to to close it down?

nope. It's good to see this stuff even if
you wouldnt wear it. I'm all about looking at quality work
regardless of the medium it's presented on.

[mental invalid]

quality??


all i see is quantity

[--zeSto--]

page2'ed

well I still happen to like that one shirt quite a bit.
thank you very much mental.

and where's the ROB?

[Swiffer Jet]

Originally posted by Kilo7-
I dont care what anyone says.... I'd wear that shirt in a second.
I'd be way more into something subtle like the shirt I quoted than
the t-shirts with pieces on them towards the bottom of niso's post.

I dont mind 'graffiti-esque' elements used in traditional art forms,
but I still think just a plain outline across the front of a cheap t-shirt
is a little boring. Plus is does draw a little attention to yourself.

it's like a homemade vest(?). i would so rock that.

[mental invalid]

you just agreed with me zesto....one shirt

[--zeSto--]

dammit roe!
You're always getting me the logical arguments!

I guess it's just interesting to see how some people
would choose to package our writing and apply it to fashion.
I'm always interested to see how it's pulled off.

[mental invalid]

its a great medium for sure......

[imported_El Mamerro]

http://newcamp.net/hector/images/jajome2003/happybday.jpg

I've rocked the WST for a while now, and I will continue to do so proudly. And drunk.

[niso]

http://www.slamcity.com/news/pics/worms_t_shirt.jpg
Petro / Fresh Worms posted bye MrBronson in petro revisited

[mr.yuck]

Originally posted by yoink
http://troublemerchandise.com/shoe_cover.jpg


haha thats dope. I would rock some shoes with a dude rockin a ski mask as a logo.

[niso]

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/haze4.jpg'>
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/haze5.jpg'>
cant relly has this with out some haze stuff on hera but this where the only ones i could find on the net

[ClueTwo]

Originally posted by mental invalid
quality??


all i see is quantity

COMMERCIAL GRAFFITI.... :lol:

[Vlad]

Originally posted by yoink
[B][img]http://troublemerchandise.com/shoe_cover.jpg'>


Features:
• Durable reinforced toe good for climbing chain link fences and tresspassing.
• Limited to 350 pairs with a signed and numbered authenticity tag/sticker.
• Material, color and design all chosen by the artist.
• Good for running from all forms of security.
• 100% synthetic materials (suitable for vegetarians and vegans)


:lol:

Hook me up with a pair of these krook shoes!
:lol:
dope

[Dirty_habiT]

I don't know shit about graffiti or fashion. I'm outta here.

[unconscience]

Originally posted by -->Def$tar!
fuck kinda neat, graffiti is raw , rugged and hardcore , anything kinda neat borrowing from graff is just not packing the right kinda punch mate.

this man knows whassup. :king:

[Spike]

Originally posted by NISO BRISTOL

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/404.jpg'>


Bukakke gone wrong.

[--zeSto--]

Originally posted by Spike
Bukakke gone wrong.

ok spike... that's 3 really funny posts today.

you're on a roll.

[Don Tahn]

Originally posted by unconscience
i guess their OK, but i would never wear one. Graffiti will be played out if this kinda shit keeps happening. that really gets me kinda pissed off, cuz then graffiti will attract even MORE toys.:o
dude you have no room to talk about graffiti.
you are associeted in no way with the graffiti in your area so dont even talk about how you dont wanna see "toys" rockin graffiti clothes and "blowing up the scene" what you know about the sceene kid.

[unconscience]

how does me not living in the city make me a toy. fucking loser.

[Don Tahn]

Originally posted by unconscience
how does me not living in the city make me a toy. fucking loser.
nothing.
i said you have no association with graffiti...as far as anyone knows you dont do it?
i mean ive never even seen a sticker from your ass and you come on here talking like you have some say in graffiti.

[unconscience]

go on the roberto clemente bridge and look for aser hands, smok stickers, and cent stickers. that's me nigga.;)

*edit - the streaks are in orange. and if they aren't running i could send you sumpin i did on MSPAINT.

i'm sick of arguing with you over some dumbshit man seriously squash the beef.

[Don Tahn]

oh man props dawg.
some hands and stickers?
there already is an aser cent and smok so quit jocking.
do you even know anyone who gets up?
a few stickers and hands on one bridge in a yuppie part of town isnt somthing to pat yourself on the back...

[Don Tahn]

ya dude just post it.
all im saying is as far as graffiti goes you are nothing.
ps.im not your nigga
pss. i have no problem with whoever you are i just get heated at this shit
IM my ass... MENGMENGDELUXE

[unconscience]

*edit - beef squashed

[Don Tahn]

nah dude.
good for you
just stay in your place.

[Scrabble]

Am i the only one that sees a lot of little kids, and special ed kids wearing shirts with graff shit on it? Maybe its just Arizona.

[Grandola]

its just graffiti and thats just clothes.


.... some of them are allright... never was a fan of the shirts with actuall written words in graffiti, but some of the ones using 'graffitiesq' shit in 'em look allright.

[unconscience]

:snore:

[krie]

i wear some graff shirts, i have some i bought from melbourne that are nice..
Blank Clothing Co. (http://www.blanktm.com/p/content.html) make some nice gear too, labels designed by australian writers.

[Joker]

Originally posted by -->Def$tar!
... and lets all hope this fuckin fad burns out as quickly as possible so we can get back to wreckin shit in the name of graff not fashion.

Is 'Graffiti' inspired fashion really holding you back from wreckin' shit? If so, how? I'm confused. Or were you trying to end on a uplifting note? Definitely not trying to be a dick, here. I'm honestly curious why you feel that 'Graffiti' fashion is holding you back.

Those who can't handle 'Graffiti' inspred fashions need to loosen up, now. It's been around for years and years and will continue to be around for years and years later. From hand painted jean jackets to uber-hip offset prints on cotton t-shirts... it's here to stay. Much like 'Graffiti' itself.

Writing has continued to develop, as it should. From computers to canvas to clothing we've evolved as artists. (Yes, even you bombers are artists. Don't get me started on that arguement) Progression is a natural step if we want to keep fresh. That includes mediums and surfaces. If you choose to hit only the cuts, freights, legal walls or passenger trains... cool. Do you thing. Getting heated on a message board about clothing is useless. Stay the course and do your thing.

[Spike]

Joker: please enlist Transcend into designing some t-shirts. They don't even have to feature graffiti. Then send them all to me.

[the_gooch]

1ST: 1 Serious Threat clothing (http://oneseriousthreat.com/catalog.html)


a few cool designs, and owned by writers

[unconscience]

those clothes are pretty dope, but i still wouldn't rock em.:smiles:

[seppuku]

Originally posted by NISO BRISTOL
third decade
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/Sonatine1_med.gif'>



woah
that's TAKESHI KITANO aka BEAT TAKESHI in the movie sonatine
that is a dope shirt

[dELiSs]

I dont wear my clothes that have "graffiti things" on them. One is a conart l.a. shirt. I wore it once because I'm a gangster. I dont' know where it is now and I dont really care. I have a pink one with a spray can with wings I got at a little event thing. NO not a graf event. The couple times I wore it I also wore a zipup and when people ask what that is on my shirt I tell them it's a hairspray bottle. and they say "really?". I just ate a bunch of junk food and I feel sick. Anywho yeah. Like a lot of other people I want to make /design my own shirts. But they won't have graf on them. But they will however have giant monster ugly fish. I like ugly fishes what can I say.Oh also lines. I draw lines. <3

[dELiSs]

oh and p.s. graffiti is for pussies.

[-->Def$tar!]

Originally posted by Joker
Is 'Graffiti' inspired fashion really holding you back from wreckin' shit? If so, how? I'm confused. Or were you trying to end on a uplifting note? Definitely not trying to be a dick, here. I'm honestly curious why you feel that 'Graffiti' fashion is holding you back.

Graffiti inspired fashion is by no means holding me back from wrecking shit, In fact it has pushed me even further in that direction, going from being a writer much more concerned with style and the technical mastering of the spray can, to becomeing much more interested in bombing and placement.
In my previous statment I was more refering to the publics perception of graffiti, largly this has not changed, vandalism is still vandalism, but there is now an entire wave of 20 to 30year old odd graphic designers and fashion designers that thinks the way graffiti looks is 'neato'. Now sure, Like I stated earlier , some have purely a budding appreciation of graffiti aesthetics, others seem to have more a grasp on the symbolism and the statment graffiti makes within society than most writers, the latter, in the long run, I surpose is a good thing. However I do have a problem with the acceleration of this embrace that designers on the whole have given graffiti aesthetics, I am of teh opinion that (like mentioned before) if this continues, the adopted style of an artistic movemnet(which graffiti most certainly is) will be consumed and thrown away like anything that passes through the fashion world.
A stlye and set of ideologies that make up graffiti (the artform that I hold very close to my heart) 30odd years in the making could be cheapened, prostituted and disreguaded in a matter of one year or less. .
*edit- this is not like otehr art forms which have become trendy, Us writers believe strongly in what we do and are prepared to be heavliy penalised , and in some cases go to jail for this art form.
I have criminal convictions but I will continue to bomb even harder becuase I truly love graffiti and what it stands for*

Originally posted by Joker
Those who can't handle 'Graffiti' inspred fashions need to loosen up, now. It's been around for years and years and will continue to be around for years and years later. From hand painted jean jackets to uber-hip offset prints on cotton t-shirts... it's here to stay. Much like 'Graffiti' itself. [/b]

I can handle it , like you said it has been around for quite along time, just not to this degree, I am all for writers that have contributed strongly to make a buck off graffiti later in their lives, but I see it as a kick in the teeth when ppl like 123Klan (I will continue to use them as an example) get paid to tour the world giving lectures on graffiti style and teaching impressionable kids how to do adobe illustrator tags, are doing very well from selling graffiti as a product when they have never risked anything for it. By diect comparison I see someone like NYC's Stay High ,a hugly influencial bomber, struggling to get by.
Again this is why I mentioned Wane COD, He has put in alot to graffiti, and put his balls on the line over and over (He continues to do this now after how ever many years) so when he wants to make a graffiti product such as 'Writers Bench' it is highly justifyable.

Originally posted by Joker
Writing has continued to develop, as it should. From computers to canvas to clothing we've evolved as artists. (Yes, even you bombers are artists. Don't get me started on that arguement) Progression is a natural step if we want to keep fresh. That includes mediums and surfaces. If you choose to hit only the cuts, freights, legal walls or passenger trains... cool. Do you thing. Getting heated on a message board about clothing is useless. Stay the course and do your thing. [/b]
Yes the aesthetics of graffiti will continue to expand outside of the more traditional mediums but people (especialy writers) need to understand that once it has been taken outside of an illegal context it disregaurds Its Context and Comment, the 2 INgredients that make any Illegal ingredients a true form of art. Once these 2 ingredients have been removed it leaves graffiti as simply a stlye ,and although a refined style, it is weakend by that lack of ideoligy that is present with anygraffiti done on an illegal surface.


I would love to continue to write but im in a hurry, Hence my lack of spell check and proper editing.
Joker: please give me your feedback on this. Dont take it as an attack on your opinions just a catalyst for debate.
-def-

[Rectum]

everyone should quit worrying about this kinda shit 'playing out' graffiti

it wont play it out unless you let it
it doesnt matter if some people wanna leach onto our culture , how does that change graffiti
??

[taco bell bomber]

i think hixsepts non graffiti clothing is excellent, i think they have good desgins for tshirts and would wear them anyday.

too bad u cant get hixsept in the us.
and also, there site has a great design, and they used polariods to take pictures of there clothing, i thought that looked great

[rental]

Originally posted by El Mamerro
[img]http://newcamp.net/hector/images/jajome2003/happybday.jpg'>

I've rocked the WST for a while now, and I will continue to do so proudly. And drunk.


and hot.

[niso]

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from http://www.eightmileshigh.de

[niso]

[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/d93f7hd.jpg'>
i would wear that

[casekonly]

if Joker produced some ties, i'd wear one.

[mental invalid]

"Bukakke gone wrong. "



dood that crack was so on point.....hahahaha.....

[Misteraven]

It's interesting how kids that write have such a natural tendancy to hold each other back. Perhaps, it's my ignorance to other subcultures that makes me feel like maybe writers are the only ones that really go out of their way to do this.

However, growing up, I spent almost an equal time amongst kids that skated. Though it's not the same, it has many parallels considering both are (were) considered countercultures, both are dominated by young males, both often center around ego and competition, and though not always, both are often illegal activities. I can recall when the skate culture felt threatened by the commercialization of the industry that supported it, though I dont really recall many gripes about 'skate' shirts. However, I also remember that most kids were quick to weed out the companies that were obviously trying to cash in on the culture versus the companies that were supplying quality product that eventually led to the culture (sport) evolving into the powerhouse it is today. The fly by night companies, the companies led by outsiders, and the ones distributing garbage are hardly a memory anymore, and you now have a whole slew of stuff that keeps the culture exciting and strong. Capitalism generally works like darwinism, where you usually end up with a survival of the fittest.

As stated, it's tough to compare skating to graff, but I feel the comparison in this case has some validity. With most the legitimate world looking to lynch writers (like they were with skaters back in the days), it seems writers would be more compelled to try and stick together and bring each other up, rather than expend so much energy to keep holding each other back, and by default, the culture itself. I'm not pro or against writers doing 'graff' shirts, but I think it's a shame to limit yourself over a stigma that's not really based on anything substantial. The culture won't play itself out over some shirts, or over some hipster design trend. You'll simply have the natural ebb and flow of popularity that most things cycle through in this world from politics, to art movements, to styles.

I say go do your thing and screw the preconceptions. If you deliver quality and integrity, those that matter will see it and hopefully support it. The sooner you drop your fucked up preconceptions, the sooner we can move on to more interesting and dynamic times.

Just my two cents™

[sneak]

^^its funny you say that in your experience skating can be mixed with graff. im not disputing this, just that from what ive seen in my scene, skaters dont tend to be into graff.

graff seems to be done (again, im chatting about my scene) by fucking pikey rudeboys who think they are all that. i knew a few skater writers and they didnt last long. they got lined everything...

hell, i dont even know why im typing this.

[--zeSto--]

what are you saying sneak?

I think that most of the writers I know got their first taste
of graffiti though the skate market as opposed to the hiphop
market. We were always checking out new board designs and
after the 'skull and bones' motif moved out, it seems like graf
moved in. With guys like Giant doing work for Think it would
make sence that the little skate monkeys would start to get an
eye for those styles.

[Misteraven]

truthfully, I got my first taste for graff from the whole Subway Art/Beat Street era, when both were new drops. However, graff at that time (at least in Miami) wasnt even strong enough to be considered a subculture yet. Rather it was a past time we did, that later kind of bonded a lot of us together as we moved up through skating and the punk/hard core scene. It didn't begin to have enough momentum to stand on it's own until about 89 or so from my experience. But like I said, I grew up in Miami, not the Bronx. I'm sure Europe was even more different.

Still doesnt rebute my arguement though.

[sneak]

kilo, the thing you gotta know about my scene is that graff is a big thing for the stereotypical rudeboys.

the majority of the writers i know, dont listen to hip hop at all. they like ukgaage and dnb. skating tended to be seen as a"grunger" thing and for some reason there were no grunger writers.

this isnt that clear at all. if you dont get me, ask a specific q and ill try to expalin

[yoink]

Its funny Cause growing up for me, Skating and graffiti went almost hand in hand. Im sure it's different areas that tend to have different trends or associations, like sneaks saying about the views on skaters where hes at.

[niso]

in my city there is quite a few sk8ing graff crews as sk8ing was more troditonly punk. its now in my area not hip hop culture but its what the kids are listing to hip hop so as they come in to hip hop they pick up over aspects such as graff saying that most of the crew who st8 are shit!

[sneak]

Originally posted by Misteraven
Still doesnt rebute my arguement though.

i wasnt trying to have an arguement. just thought id share.

i suppose the main difference is that the area im from has a relativly young scene. we dont have old cats still hitting up. the heads who got me interested in graff are now in jail and dont write. plus we didnt get beat street and style wars when they came out.

god, im not making any sense today.

[--zeSto--]

Well it really doesn't matter how people started doing grafitti,
weither it was because they happened to be around it or if they
just happend to see it and want to try doing it. This fourm illustrates
every day that people from all across the social spectrum got involved
and decided to stick it out. Raven's got a great point about how we
try to keep our little thing exclusive. That might exist in other scenes
where competition is involved, but those other scenes have matured.
If a new band sucks but they love the music, then people will tollerate
them. If a new skater cant ollie but he just loves to roll down hills, he's
not hated because he's doing it for the simple pleasure. However in our
scene people will cross ouy 'toys' just because they think that's how it's
supposed to be. That probably wont change, but maybe one day we'll be
able to loosen our tight grip on our precious little 'subculture' and we'll
get that new blood that keeps things from going stagnant.

.02 indeed.

[sneak]

there is still new blood coming through.
i think its good that they may have to go through all the crossing out etc first. it shows that they have the lasting power.
i got lined out when i first started and so did the people i wrote with. difference is that i kept on going after that and dealings with police. the others didnt.

in a way, i like how "exclusive" our sub culture can be. i feel like im part of something not many people know about.

[--zeSto--]

Originally posted by sneak
i feel like im part of something not many people know about.

oh everybody knows about it.
"those damn kiiids spray patinted my garage!!"

We think we're 'defenders of the cause' because we preach about artistic merit.

[Grandola]

again, its just clothes. its simple as this, if you like it, sport it. if not...

i remember recieving an 'obey' shirt for my birthday once from my sister. well, i sported it to a party, and this writer tells me,

'how can you wear that, i'd rather get myself up before someone else'

at the time i started thinking through that little graffiti mind aswell, but then simply said 'hey man, its just a shirt'

and thats still true to this day... who really gives a fuck, its not about what you wear, its about what you do.

no fucking shirt is going to kill the culture and if it does effect it in some way, who really gives a fuck... the ones who are really about it will continue to be about it and go on doing there thing.

[Misteraven]

good point, and along the same lines as my conclusion... if you like it, buy it. eventually, this will only leave companies that are putting out product that's worth something. bullshit fly by night companies will blow a wad to try and jump on the trend only to be gone the next day when no one buys into their crappy knockoffs.

[Misteraven]

what I would have figured to be a larger debate would be the flood of 'urban' companies that built empires on the graff aesthetic. though I still feel the same way about it, where does this leave companies like ecko, triple 5 soul, etc... that are defintely not writer founded, owned, or operated, yet still rake in loads of cash selling gear to kids that's clearly heavily influenced by writers and their culture?

[unconscience]

Originally posted by casekonly
if Joker produced some ties, i'd wear one.

[T.T Boy]

everything is played out. ill bet truckers are fuming mad right now because of the new trucker hat cool guy sk8r boy post neo pop punk trend. graffiti is getting cool on t shirts. it always kinda was there. being a surfer is cool too, i live in the fucking mountains and i see kids rocking quicksilver dry fit surf clothes. why? i dont know. the closest place to surf here is an easy 14 hour drive.

why do i go to london and see people wearing wrangler jeans? and carhartt jean jackets, they are neither cowboys or probably know little about being a construction worker while theyre browsing oxford street. or the new italian trend of rocking english footbal club t shirts. even spelled wrong. ill bet the liverpool and man u fans are up in arms as well as cowboys and construction workers about those people rocking their fresh gear.

alot of stuff gets stolen, tossed around, used, reused, into hipster culture. graffiti just happens to be one of them. get used to it, because itll be cool for a while then end up in some cool guys moms basement with his box of zoobas, members only jackets, fanny packs (surprisingly 80's trasher fashion is cool now), and other assorted neon hats, vaurnet france, hypercolour, chip and pepper wet wear, and other cool guy items.

go ahead, keep it real, dont sellout. you cant change mainstream fashion from the computer. who cares. its just a fad. like everything else. who am i to talk?

[Dr. Dazzle]

I wear socks on my arms because Avril tells me too.....

[Misteraven]

I slightly disagree.

I really doubt truckers or construction workers really care either way. I'd even be surprised if they happen to notice. Regardless, when a group of people like what they wear, why'd they be offended if another demographic suddenly realized it's merit and started sporting it too?

This is kinda straying off the topic since we're debating why writers hate on writer produced clothing.

[Joker]

"However I do have a problem with the acceleration of this embrace that designers on the whole have given graffiti aesthetics, I am of teh opinion that (like mentioned before) if this continues, the adopted style of an artistic movemnet(which graffiti most certainly is) will be consumed and thrown away like anything that passes through the fashion world."

> I agree with you completely. I think we can all easily agree that 'Graffiti' fashions will eventually fade, especially in the higher end markets and those companies who are true to the culture will remain. Only because of reputation. If 'Graffiti' inspired fashion goes by the way side in a year, like most hot fashions, good for us. Yea, it'll be harder for a writer/ designer to make his money but that's only because his target market has gone from the world back to the culture itself. And besides his pocket being a little bit more empty... there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure what continent you're on, but in America 'Graffiti' fashions aren't a huge seller. Especially not with writers. Unless they happen to be writers/ hip-hop enthusiasts. However, I do think in Europe that such inspred fashions will continue to thrive. Mostly due to the quality and forward thinking designs that are coming out of there. Just like here in America, writing is expected to be more tradional while in most countries outside of North America the artistic value is stronger. And in my personal opinion, neither is wrong.

" I can handle it , like you said it has been around for quite along time, just not to this degree, I am all for writers that have contributed strongly to make a buck off graffiti later in their lives, but I see it as a kick in the teeth when ppl like 123Klan (I will continue to use them as an example) get paid to tour the world giving lectures on graffiti style and teaching impressionable kids how to do adobe illustrator tags, are doing very well from selling graffiti as a product when they have never risked anything for it. By diect comparison I see someone like NYC's Stay High ,a hugly influencial bomber, struggling to get by.
Again this is why I mentioned Wane COD, He has put in alot to graffiti, and put his balls on the line over and over (He continues to do this now after how ever many years) so when he wants to make a graffiti product such as 'Writers Bench' it is highly justifyable."

> Absolutely. What Wane is doing is definitely justified. He's put in sweat and tears and continues to do so after all these years. His company is for writers, by writers. And to reiterate, companies like that will survive long after the trend is dead. I've never heard of 123Klan so I can't speak out on them. But in the two times I've walked in to a Mr. Rags shop and saw the crap on Display there, it's easily obvious to someone who knows what's up what is being produced by real writers. I saw Tribal up in the same shop next to some other no-name company and the differences in style were completely obvious. The problem with shops like Mr. Rags is the ability to reach everyone. Even those who have no clue about what it is to suffer as a writer from the ground, up. Then again, any monkey can walk into a specialty shop and buy caps to do his shitty tags for the first time. It's an example of not being able to control what's beyond your means.

" Yes the aesthetics of graffiti will continue to expand outside of the more traditional mediums but people (especialy writers) need to understand that once it has been taken outside of an illegal context it disregaurds Its Context and Comment, the 2 INgredients that make any Illegal ingredients a true form of art. Once these 2 ingredients have been removed it leaves graffiti as simply a stlye ,and although a refined style, it is weakend by that lack of ideoligy that is present with anygraffiti done on an illegal surface. "

> Hmmmm... I'm not sure I can touch on that paragraph, but I'll try. I see what you're saying but isn't that kinda far fetched? It's as if you're saying that a few can bring down the whole. And I don't think that will ever happen. You'll always have purists. No matter what artform you're engaging in. Grey and Amaze are fine examples. And when you have purists of their level you have up and coming writers who want to "be down" with that style. Same with the largely popular trend right now to be an all out bomber. (Just as it was a trend in the early 90's to do massive full color production legal walls) There will always be writers, such as yourself who want to keep the 'language' alive. It's important to them. And dude, (Yea, I said dude) I'm 100% all for that.

I'm guessing that Sneak is from the UK, only because of his chosen words to describe characters. Pikey and rudeboy. (Though, I always thought a rudeboy had something to do with Mods.) I think in Europe and elsehwere outside of North America, the majority of writers tend to be very much involved in the hip-hop culture. Whereas here, it's mostly nerds, skaters and alcoholics. Anyway, from my experiences in Europe I think the tolerance for 'Graffiti' fashions is much higher than it is here. Maybe it's due to the high aesthetics placed upon each item and the details taken into account. I don't really know. But for the most part, I've always liked what I've seen.

Like the Hixsept stuff posted earlier. Never seen any of that till now. But the attention to detail and placement, much like a writer would consider when out painting, is what makes the item interesting to me. Is this a company of writers making clothing for writers?

[ment2]

Originally posted by NISO BRISTOL
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i wouldnt be caught dead wearing any of that.. except the pigeon shirt is straight, but the rest is so ugly.

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like can you really imagine being that guy, standing at a party with your drink with some wierd white drip shit on your shirt like that. you could do something similar and make a really cool interesting shirt that people would look at at that party and be like damn thats a cool shirt, but instead its some akward pointless drips on a shirt.

[ment2]

Originally posted by sneak
skaters dont tend to be into graff.


that is the polar opposite of true.

[Gliko]

I guess its kinda where youre from. I dont know many skaters who are seriously into graff rather than stupid fucking tags on things just for vandalism. I know alot of 'hardcore' kids who are into graff and a few hop hop types too. But the thing is its all too diversified to say who will wear what.

[Joker]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
... ill bet truckers are fuming mad right now because of the new trucker hat cool guy sk8r boy post neo pop punk trend.

Actually, if Von Dutch were alive he'd fucking go on a murderous rampage. Nevermind the truckers. When Quicksilver and Hurley start making a product and making that product available to a massive market... it's a good sign that it used to be something sacred for a chosen few. I saw Von Ductch trucker hats on sale at a store for $45. In the same store I saw a Hurley trucker hat on sale for $30. Now that's sad, especially when you can walk into a thrift store and buy one for a quarter.

Back to the subject though...

[Misteraven]

I dont care what anyone says... The graffiti inspired collection Louis Vuitton dropped a couple seasons back was dope. And to my knowledge, no writers were involved. Regardless, they took influence from their surroundings, and flipped it.

Very fresh...

[villain]

I remember when Tommy Hilfiger came out and all the true hip hop heads were like "NO! Don't buy it! He's a racist white man stealing money from the culture!" And Tommy Hilfiger is still around bankin like 8 years later.
I don't like to see graffiti commercialized. For one it gives people misconceptions of the culture. For two it is overpowering a potential market for real writers. Then again the commercialized product could be a gateway for kids to find the real stuff but who knows.... they probably won't buy it cause John and Jane the prom king and queen at school never heard of it and hasn't given it thier approval.
It's really wack when you got something going for yourself and then some shrewd backstabber blasts a horn and here comes the cavalry to jump on you're bandwagon.

[DREDZ]

This is a very interesting thread. I must admit. I never realized ,until now, that so many graffiti inspired fashions existed.

[unconscience]

Originally posted by villain
I don't like to see graffiti commercialized.

yea, i made a thread about how much more you're seeing graff in commercials/movies/T.V Shows lately.

[455]

I usually rock plain gear.......plain t-shirts,or patterned button-up shit,dirty Levis and scuffed Nunn Bush shoes.....fuck it......

[Father John]

so is graffiti still a eyesore if its on someones shirt?

[unconscience]

Originally posted by 455
fuck it......

[DREDZ]

that one shirt, with the white drips, looks like a bird shited on it.

[455]

I have an idea......why don't people chisel some portion off a heavily buffed legal wall and then weave the chunks together with some wire and wear some chrome "DEVO" hats......that would be dope.:rolleyes:

[Misteraven]

going back to a point i was bringing up in a previous post...

why are kids so against writers dropping gear, yet 99% of the kids I see will stuff their closet full of ecko, 555 soul, etc that seems to be almost the same stuff, but not usually designed/produced by writers?

not hating, just curious...

[icsvirus619]

i been rocking wst and tribal gear for a long time.WST is the shit!

[geeteecee]

Originally posted by Misteraven
why are kids so against writers dropping gear, yet 99% of the kids I see will stuff their closet full of ecko, 555 soul, etc that seems to be almost the same stuff, but not usually designed/produced by writers?

you and I have spoken about this before and I think the best explanation for this is that 99% of the population is insecure and they need to wear what they feel is acceptable. The easy way out (the secure way) is to wear what others are wearing which kids interpret as acceptable. Hence, the proliferation of companies such as ecko...

[Spike]

Originally posted by Misteraven
going back to a point i was bringing up in a previous post...

why are kids so against writers dropping gear, yet 99% of the kids I see will stuff their closet full of ecko, 555 soul, etc that seems to be almost the same stuff, but not usually designed/produced by writers?

not hating, just curious...

I can only speak for myself on this issue..

I personally have nothing against writers designing gear, but I don't like wearing anything that's obviously "graffiti"... in fact I'm against logos in general, so I like t-shirts with nice design but no or very unnoticable text. There seems to be this odd logo culture, where kids buy stuff for the brand name. In England this is a huge thing, kids actually buy badly made, ugly stuff just cuz it has a fucking huge Nike tick across the front. It's the concept that wearing a brand name affiliates you with a certain type of person.

My answer to that is fuck that. It makes clothes design stagnant as more and more people buy into big name logos for the sake of the logo. This means originality is becoming totally squashed. Seriously though, how great is a t-shirt with some old tag on it? Unless you really have something to do with the people who make it, i.e. you're Tribal street team, work at Tribal etc., why the fuck are you wearing someone elses NAME on your stuff? This comes straight back to logos. Stuff that's designed, i.e. a pattern, as opposed to a word is usually much better, because it's low key. I don't want my clothes to shout to the world "HI! I'M A VANDAL." Sure I want them to look good.

Ok, I'm rambling again. Ignore me.

[Spike]

Yes, that last post does basically finish mid sentence. I figured you'd all heard enough.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by geeteecee
you and I have spoken about this before and I think the best explanation for this is that 99% of the population is insecure and they need to wear what they feel is acceptable. The easy way out (the secure way) is to wear what others are wearing which kids interpret as acceptable. Hence, the proliferation of companies such as ecko...

i agree to a point with that, the thing is that insecurity isnt the only thing in that...i mean, take some hip hopish/graffiti kids, give em an ecko shirt or some collectible tshirt made by a writer..they would all pick the rarest if it looks hip hop/graffitish....so, people need acceptance but they're also bored or not so refined or just dont care about all that. The way one dresses sais things about him/her for sure, i've met people that have style while they dont care about it at all...and i've met people that have style and spend time and money to get it going...it solely depends on were you stand

[Grandola]

it all comes back to... its just clothes and i'll wear what i like.

[Propaganda]

^^ yup wear what you like is what I always say. It is what depicts a person. But graff clothes makes a person hot up and noticable at times. But it is just clothes. .......................Now if they had graff TV channel..:lol:

[T.T Boy]

honestly, i couldnt really give a fuck if a writer does some shirts or a commercial. so long as its a real writer i suppose, i dont like those ads where the graffiti is obviously done by some graphic designer asked to make the font "urban". more power to someone who does that and gets paid. i dont rock tribal 555 soul and that stuff at all. i hate that "dress up as a writer" bullshit myself. but i couldnt care less. i dont keep anything real or hate on a writer for that. i wouldnt wear graffiti clothes, unless they were given to me for free, then i might.

[geeteecee]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
i wouldnt wear graffiti clothes, unless they were given to me for free, then i might.

just out of curiosity, what's your definition of "graffiti clothes"?

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
honestly, i couldnt really give a fuck if a writer does some shirts or a commercial. so long as its a real writer i suppose, i dont like those ads where the graffiti is obviously done by some graphic designer asked to make the font "urban".

If by that you mean that its just lousy graffiti, i agree..however i dont give a fuck if a graphic designer feels like making something look graffitish and does it well..i've seen that happen and it was dope.

[niso]

any one seen new graphotism with the cuba intervow now thos are some dope garments

[Spike]

What is the current trend of having text on t-shirts? The dopest t-shirts I own have nothing that could be easily interpreted as letters on it, or has letters so small you have to be standing right next to me to read them.

[T.T Boy]

graffiti t shirts to me are ones like tribal, and ecko and i dunno, the other ones with burners on them.the ones that blatently advertise graffiti. im not discrediting them at all, i just wouldnt rock a shirt with a bunch of tags on it like tribal or something. its kind of like having football players wearing jerseys at the bar. its kind of silly to me. there are some nicley done shirts, by good artists, and those are nice, not something id wear. things with big tags on them, is kind of stupid for me. i guess my whole comment is im not going to wear a tag. im also not going to wear a garth brooks shirt either. but to whoever made those shirts, good job, your getting paid and exposure.

as for the whole graphic designer who did graffiti thing, ive seen alot of really poor work on random cups, shirts, candy bar wrappers, note books and backpacks, that were obviously not done by writers, or if they were it was by a 13 year old. ive never seen anything else that i assumed wasnt done by a writer but was actually done by a non graffiti person. id like to see some examples of it as im sure theyd be cool. i am rambling on about nothing.

[iloveboxcars]

that shirt with the bird on it is hot. i'd rock it.

[DREDZ]

Originally posted by Misteraven
going back to a point i was bringing up in a previous post...

why are kids so against writers dropping gear, yet 99% of the kids I see will stuff their closet full of ecko, 555 soul, etc that seems to be almost the same stuff, but not usually designed/produced by writers?

not hating, just curious...
No doubt. I personally don't hate on writers who produce clothing, that's dope. But I don't really like it when companies that have nothing to do with or never did anything for the graff culture (or movement or whatever..) act like they're down with it and come out with a line of graffiti inspired apperal, all graffed out and the shit ends up being completely wack.

[atrocks]

:lol: :lol: damnit...12oz got me again...i thought this was gonna be about trends in letterstyles....*edit*...yeah i did know

[-->Def$tar!]

Originally posted by Misteraven
good point, and along the same lines as my conclusion... if you like it, buy it. eventually, this will only leave companies that are putting out product that's worth something. bullshit fly by night companies will blow a wad to try and jump on the trend only to be gone the next day when no one buys into their crappy knockoffs.

What I was getting at , but perhaps forgot to mention, in one of my previous posts is this; I dont think that the writers, or other people insightfull enough to decipher who makes certain labels and who has paid there dues, have enough of a market share to realy influence which companys make money and which dont of graffiti stylisation.

The reason this offends me so much is that graffiti had its birth through ilegal channels, this is the reason that it looks the way that it does. This means that in order to truly understand graffiti you have to look far beyond simple the visual image, you have to look at the motivation
behind the wrtiers actions and the context it was painted in.

If someone walks in on my culture and overlooks all the 'blood sweat and tears' of graffiti and say 'hey thats the new funky thing' and slap some graffiti designs or graffiti aesthetics on a tshirt or in an advertisment of some kind. I take this the same way that I would respond to someone insulting me or a member of my family.

In writers terms using graffiti aesthetics to make money if you have not contributed highly to that culture is a 'diss' to the real writers that time after time after time continue to bomb and put thier balls on the line for this thing that they love.

Originally posted by Misteraven

I say go do your thing and screw the preconceptions. If you deliver quality and integrity, those that matter will see it and hopefully support it. The sooner you drop your fucked up preconceptions, the sooner we can move on to more interesting and dynamic times.


If this is addressed to me I find it insulting.
I could easily turn that around and say that "your fucked up preconceptions" are allowing this prostitution of our culture to continue.

Originally posted by T.T Boy
alot of stuff gets stolen, tossed around, used, reused, into hipster culture. graffiti just happens to be one of them. get used to it, because itll be cool for a while then end up in some cool guys moms basement with his box of zoobas, members only jackets, fanny packs (surprisingly 80's trasher fashion is cool now), and other assorted neon hats, vaurnet france, hypercolour, chip and pepper wet wear, and other cool guy items.
go ahead, keep it real, dont sellout. you cant change mainstream fashion from the computer. who cares. its just a fad. like everything else. who am i to talk?[/b]

You are right you cant change mainstream fashion from the computer, however you can influence other writers and members of our culture through speaking and writing and raisning general awareness about what is actualy going on and how taht conincides with idealy how it should work.

Originally posted by Joker

> Hmmmm... I'm not sure I can touch on that paragraph, but I'll try. I see what you're saying but isn't that kinda far fetched? It's as if you're saying that a few can bring down the whole. And I don't think that will ever happen. You'll always have purists. No matter what artform you're engaging in. Grey and Amaze are fine examples. And when you have purists of their level you have up and coming writers who want to "be down" with that style. Same with the largely popular trend right now to be an all out bomber. (Just as it was a trend in the early 90's to do massive full color production legal walls) There will always be writers, such as yourself who want to keep the 'language' alive. It's important to them. And dude, (Yea, I said dude) I'm 100% all for that.

After reading my previous post I realized my message could have come accros a little clearer, the problem here is I am starting to have a similar yet slightly different converstation about the nature and true identity of graffiti.
In relation to that I wasnt so much talking about a style, more a mentality. It is painfully obvious that almost everyone has a different veiw and different values and commitment levels of, for and about graffiti, this is eveident by the actions you take as a writer.

I dont know alot about Grey or Amaze, Although I read a post by Grey once stating his opinion of legal graffiti as a mimic of illegal graffiti ( or somthing to that extent). I was impressed by this statment becuase I have a very similar view. So in that sence I can say I agree that Grey is a purist.

I think the stem of my dislike for graffiti in fashion would come back to my beleif that graffiti should not (or should be recognised as does not) exist in a legal context.
I have no problem with people painting murals or elaborate designs incorperating letters, but this is by no means 'getting up' or 'representing' (to use some graffiti terms).

To simply use a tag or a peice that has no excuse not to be done in an ilegal context as a design for a t shirt or a mural is illogical and (in my opinion) ultimatly undermining the strenghth of the actions of a writer.

I would love to respond to most of the comments made in here but I simply do not have the time.

Also I am extremly happy to continue this debate via email ( joe_baloney@hotmail.com) or on msn, but as I am getting of subject I feel I should stop posting in this thread.

[Born Loser]

PURE FUCKIN GARBAGE...FUCKIN SEL OUTS.

[.highborn]

seriously articles of clothing featuring graff suck

[EasoeDSF]

BLING BLING!

[.highborn]

u betcha

[MRBURNS]

some kid yelled at me the other day, on some "what the fuck are u doing here u aint no hip hopper" shit. because i wasnt wearing hip hop clothes. society wants to be able to label and identify everything. graffiti clothes do not make you a graffiti writer. hip hop clothes do not make you cooler than me.

[wyze]

yeah, ive seen alot of graffiti style stuff on cloths. first of all, i wouldnt wear it, even if some of the pieces and handstyle are fairly good. I think it is playing out graffiti. people wear that stuff who dont know the first thing about graffiti. They think dondi fasted to keep the brittish out. however, im all up for makin your own graffiti style shirts and shit with either markers or fabric spraypaint (dont use normal shit, it makes the shirt all crusty...). that way its legit, and its personalised. peace

[AREANKAY]

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I dont know if these have been around for a while or what, im not really in the loop anymore. but here they are i quess you could call it graffiti

[taco bell bomber]

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this kid is so mad that he decieded to wear that hat that hes punching himself in the face

[Rectum]

Originally posted by taco bell bomber
[img]http://www.fatcap.co.uk/host/files/p6htnr7.jpg'>

this kid is so mad that he decieded to wear that hat that hes punching himself in the face


thats a toy wack hat

[evaq22]

about those shoes.......you can buy a pair of plain shoes and do all the painting, silkscreening yourself, good example of a writer who kept it real when he made a small time tshirt line with his own style and a great idea and sold it through a localy owned skate store( cal skate) his name is WEDIG so you may have heard of him and if you have (Joker you may have) if you have any of his pics post em' he has like ol english images of saints with ak's and nights with aks' and lances........icelandic mafia!

[imported_El Mamerro]

Originally posted by T.T Boy
honestly, i couldnt really give a fuck if a writer does some shirts or a commercial. so long as its a real writer i suppose, i dont like those ads where the graffiti is obviously done by some graphic designer.



Hahahahaha, that would be me.

[img]http://www.mtv-china.com/avzone/photo/video/23mo_money.jpg'>

You can hate me now.

[worldoflies]

Originally posted by Misteraven
truthfully, I got my first taste for graff from the whole Subway Art/Beat Street era, when both were new drops. However, graff at that time (at least in Miami) wasnt even strong enough to be considered a subculture yet. Rather it was a past time we did, that later kind of bonded a lot of us together as we moved up through skating and the punk/hard core scene. It didn't begin to have enough momentum to stand on it's own until about 89 or so from my experience. But like I said, I grew up in Miami, not the Bronx. I'm sure Europe was even more different.

Still doesnt rebute my arguement though.

raven, the movement of graffiti from an activity to an identity has happened everywhere. this whole youth subculture thing gets more ridiculous every year becauce its gets less youthfull.

anyway, there was big trend of graffiti clothing in the early 90's, but it didn't have this hipster vibe that has infused graffiti of late.

[DEE38]

screw graf clothes.

how about oolong maternaty clothing?
my boy already drew me up a shirt im gunna wear to the hospitol. its some girl character with a bunny doctor with a siringe and it says "my water broke"

i'll get pics.

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by DEE38
screw graf clothes.

how about oolong maternaty clothing?
my boy already drew me up a shirt im gunna wear to the hospitol. its some girl character with a bunny doctor with a siringe and it says "my water broke"

i'll get pics.

haha awesome....

I'm gonna have to say that I won't buy anyone else's graffiti.... thanks anyway.

not edited ever

[imported_daus]

so this site is finally updated... have a good laugh...

http://unconsume.tripod.com

[Misteraven]

Daus,

This is the first I've seen of you both on the board and off, and all's I gotta say is wow!

I doubt I'll be forgetting your name anytime soon after checking out your covert shirt altering mission.

Much respect...

[yoink]

That's so super awesome.
good work!

that is pure...Funk

[dystopia]

isnt graffiti clothing great advertising to the cops you write and every other fucking idiot out there how bout lets help corporations out buy buying this shit when did graff become about making cash

[KaBar2]

I say "Hell, yeah." You guys ought to all be producing designs to sell to these bullshit ripoff clothes companies, put those suburban dollas in yo' pocket. Tommy Hilfiger--what the hell does this dipshit know about graffitti? He sells CLOTHES. And for about fifty times as much as they are actually worth.

No, that's not true. If people are STUPID enough to pay $48 for a pair of pants or a shirt, or $200 for a pair of fucking TENNIS SHOES, then I guess that is what the shit is worth--to them.

Personally, I shop at Wal-Mart and military surplus stores. I buy "fancy" work clothes at Academy. My brother-in-law gives me cheap-ass brand blue jeans that the Gas Company gives him for free at work (for work clothes.) I don't wear stuff that is supposed to be cool. I used to, but now I just wear whatever happens to appeal at the time.

I like genuine shit. Like a guy I knew worked for several weeks at Shipley's Do-Nuts, and got a GREAT t-shirt with a huge Shipley's do-nut on the front. I love that shirt. My wife has a cool red t-shirt with a big Ruger Firearms logo on it.

And I gave my daughter a black t-shirt I got from a friend in the joint, back when I was riding Harleys up in Washington State a lot, that has a great drawing of a biker on a chopper and says "Washington State Penitentiary Motorcycle Association." Now that is a rare piece of gear.

[B_As_In_Bot]

wal-mart? You support that global sweatshop crappola?

[DREDZ]

from the Spring 2002 Quarterly of The Fader Magazine.
[img]http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/24976/p/413563_5948848196180379798_vl.jpg'>
[img]http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/24976/p/413564_8544964670705821120_vl.jpg'>
...this is a damn shame.:nope:

[STRUGGLE INC]

WALMART SELLS "GRAFFITI" SHIRTS

so this site is finally updated... have a good laugh...

http://unconsume.tripod.com

_______________

i cant get to the above site due to too much traffic!!

post some flicks here so we can see what your talking about.

thanks.

[mr.yuck]

All I get is that the site is temporarily unavailable and that i am the lucky 10,000,000th person to view the site. Blah

[imported_daus]

http://unconsume.tripod.com
_______________
i cant get to the above site due to too much traffic!!
post some flicks here so we can see what your talking about.
thanks. [/B]


Yeah I know, tripod sucks balls for having a weak bandwidth limit... but I just dont have the time right now to upload them all to fotango or some shit... anyway in the future I will work on lowering the image sizes and possibly using a better host.

Yo raven thanks for the props.

Peace.

[KING BLING]

I wont link the pics but its a Josh, Twist billboard with a picture of a guy doing a RYZE tag - youve seen it just like the CKone bottles....

Billboard found on LaBrea Ave. in Los Angeles....


Take notice of the small Nike symbol on the lower right corner that
can easily be overlooked when viewing the advertisement from far away.



In the magazine article below, Calvin Klein commissioned graffiti artists
to design fragrance bottles. Although graffiti isnt apparent as a technique
to sell a product as shown in the Nike ad above, certainly Calvin Klein
has similar strategies for marketing "the look" of graffiti,
without representing graffiti. A safe and user friendly version, maybe
more likely to catch the eyes of the consumer and return a profit.

NOTE: The depictions of the bottles only show one side of the design.





I had some questions for ESPO about that middle finger character on the bottle and tons of other shit came up during the discussion about the CKOne commisioned project that is important for everyone to take a look at...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DAUS: Hey ESPO, I wanted to know your position on undertaking this opportunity.

ESPO: I was actually avoiding taking it until people told me what a big Shot Fabian Baron was and I should jump at the chance to work with him. He was the designer on the original CKone bottle and responsible partly for the print campaign with the heroin-chic models

DAUS: I also wanted to know if there was a particular angle that the company approached you three with, or if there was some standard of design they were imposing on you guys - for instance "no graffiti letters - think more along the lines of graphic design".

ESPO: No, I had a couple of sketch book pages filled with ideas. the first one was a dog sniffing another dog's butt and the back of the bottle said "you smell nice". From that first mean idea, they just got worse and worse, over the course of the 2 pages. I sold him on the idea of the three models (based on that notorious CKone campaign) on the front of the bottle, (btw, they are letters) while the fouth letter on the back was to be a fat guy eating chicken. he wouldn't let the middle finger guy go, so he combined the two. So the models on the front are couture and the guy on the back is punk rock, but it's all fashion, and it says espo. it's a joke, a diss, a statement and a name all in one.

DAUS: I do have a question about CK's intentions and your feelings about them. Obviously they wanted to hire graffiti artists to design the bottles but why do you think they wanted to do that? To sell more bottles of CKOne? I doubt it especially since the designs I have seen dont really refference graffiti besides the fact that they are designed by graff artists. I imagine that the majority of people who buy CK products dont even know who you guys are. So going back to my drawn out question, why do you think CK hired graffiti artists and how do you feel about it all?

ESPO: I think it was a good way for them to pump some new interest in the brand. I think it's already generated a good amount of publicity, so sales may be secondary. They were interested in using artists from a variety of sectors, and graffiti works since it's something the kids are naturally interested in. It was another opportunity to play myself, but thanks to CK letting me be me, I was able to get over one more time. It's also set a standard for any other company who wants to deal with me, so I'm cool with all of it. I gotta shout out Chris Johanson, he handles the commercial work with sarcasm and flair. We are all at work trying to navigate the commercial straits without getting played. I know theres a ton of corny graff merchandizing, but as long as the people you know and love are coming correct, things are good. Besides, with writers getting hauled off to jail, we need all the wack commercial merchandizing we can get, anything to make people stop demonizing graff. More commercials, more museum shows, and maybe the soccer moms and dads will calm down.

[sweetcherry]

Originally posted by DREDZ
from the Spring 2002 Quarterly of The Fader Magazine.
[img]http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/24976/p/413563_5948848196180379798_vl.jpg'>
[img]http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/24976/p/413564_8544964670705821120_vl.jpg'>
...this is a damn shame.:nope:

omg wow thats scary***fashion emergancy***

[niso]

did any one see the program on Corinne day larst night there where a few photos she had tooken of modles in train srap yard in london in front of graffed up trains

[fiberoptical]

Graff on clothing has been here since..say late 70's with gang mnames on the backs of jean jackets.Then with breakers doing sweatpants and hats and all that.I remember in 87 running into a top profile writer on the bus and guess fucking what...he was rocking a trucker hat with his name airbrushed on it in blockletters and a cheech wizard.This was how I met him...Anyhow..this was in 1987..so fast forward to 2003, and the internet and some conversation about fashion and graff.As a writer, sure I am cool off of advertising that I write for obvious reasons, yet have a good collection of shirts done by writers.Hey, even writers such as: BATES,GREY,AMAZE,SEEN,ETC...ETC....have all done shirts and clothing designs as have myself.And in the long run it really doesn't matter one bit.All those who buy it for fashion coolness will throw it away when the next trend comes in, and the people who bought it for the right reasons will still have them. It is only clothes, and real wirters know what the fucking deal is anyhow...let some people get paid..fuck it..
a blank white t is the best anyhow...

[Evil Dee]

Prints from an Australian graff label. Blank clothing.

[img]http://www.blanktm.com/m/2prod/websept03images/pd1r.jpg'>

[img]http://www.blanktm.com/m/2prod/websept03images/plower.jpg'>

[img]http://www.blanktm.com/m/2prod/prints/2newenglishpt2.jpeg'>

[img]http://www.blanktm.com/m/2prod/prints/6aceofspades.jpeg'>

This text is lifted from the website.

"Blank began with 20 t-shirts and 20 hooded sweats, hand screened by us in May 1995. We wanted to put graffiti prints on the best quality Aust made clothing at a better price than the imported stuff going around at the time.
The name "Blank" because us or our friends were into graffiti, skating, hardcore, hip hop or whatever and we wanted a name that had no boundaries.

With no formal training but a love for all the things we do, Blank is still run by us and we do most of the designing ourselves except for the special guest artists from around Australia we like.

The contents of this website, clothing, graffiti, skateboarding, tattoos and music probably interest you, that's why you're here. If you are here for one thing, you will hopefully enjoy or appreciate the other things."

This label is now one of Australia's biggest skate/street labels and is rocked by every man and his dog. And it was all started by a couple of local writers.

Blank (http://www.blanktm.com/)

[niso]

[img]http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00366532f00000012.jpg'>
dono if this will work if not try this
http://yp3.armvr.net/xp/pic.php?img=t_Armv...-1065294572.jpg (http://yp3.armvr.net/xp/pic.php?img=t_Armvr.net_img-1065294572.jpg)

[Vlad]

[img]http://www.streetammo.dk/album/Fashion%20Week%20Berlin/DSC01621.JPG'>

[img]http://www.streetammo.dk/album/Fashion%20Week%20Berlin/DSC01628.JPG'>

[anvillan]

i didnt know slim shady could airbrush.:confused:

[niso]

new stuff on the hixsept web site

[the_gooch]

[img]http://groovesk8.com/images/1st/catalog.jpg'>

[niso]

[img]http://www.snides.co.uk/teeshirtss/images/axe-t-back.jpg'>
[img]http://www.snides.co.uk/teeshirtss/images/brush.jpg'>
[img]http://www.snides.co.uk/teeshirtss/images/builds.jpg'>
[img]http://www.snides.co.uk/teeshirtss/images/number2.jpg'>
[img]http://www.snides.co.uk/teeshirtss/images/runaway.jpg'>
[img]http://www.snides.co.uk/teeshirtss/images/taghand.jpg'>

[niso]

[img]http://www.revista-rojo.com/track/free01.jpg'>

FREAKLÜB

[**REDRUMS**]

Originally posted by yoink
[B][img]http://troublemerchandise.com/shoe_cover.jpg'>
]

can someone give me a link to someplace where i can order these?

[**REDRUMS**]

Originally posted by yoink
[B][img]http://troublemerchandise.com/shoe_cover.jpg'>
]

can someone give me a link to someplace where i can order these?

[hold the cup]

i hate this thread.

[<SIR>]

Local writer Wedig silk screens characters and all of the text is in old english style letters. I will try to repost the images once i figure how to

[Nic Thamaire]

Originally posted by Vlad
[img]http://www.streetammo.dk/album/Fashion%20Week%20Berlin/DSC01621.JPG'>

[img]http://www.streetammo.dk/album/Fashion%20Week%20Berlin/DSC01628.JPG'>

PEACE TO SCOTTY76 THRU BBOY MASTER

[bleeeeegh]

[img]http://www.snides.co.uk/teeshirtss/images/builds.jpg'>

Thats the only thing ive seen and thought...yeah id wear it.

I like the Kuldesac Sickboy and Feek tee's

[STYLEISKING]

1987 denim[img]http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~gio/fresh.jpg'>
1985 copenhagen´s reakes[img]http://www.dozo.dk/image_diverse/big/004.jpg'>

[455]

is played.