ANARCHY!

[kilgoretrout]

the only sytem exceptable..no system. black bloc stories. anti authoritan messages. events, DIY how to's, post em all. Humans are not meant to be controlled, break your chains and unite. I guess this could also be a thread to talk about anarcho bands too.

[**REDRUMS**]

sluts sluts galore my good indian freind

not you

[kilgoretrout]

?

[king kong]

Originally posted by kilgoretrout
the only sytem exceptable..no system. black bloc stories. anti authoritan messages. events, DIY how to's, post em all. Humans are not meant to be controlled, break your chains and unite. I guess this could also be a thread to talk about anarcho bands too.

are you high?

[CAPiTA]

[img]http://malakoff.com/idiot.gif'>

[Dr. Dazzle]

"You're New World is on fire, and soon, you'll be too...."

QUICK NAME THE ARTIST AND SONG THAT THAT LINE IS FROM!

[seeking]

Originally posted by king kong
are you high?

no, just retarded.
are you 16?
anarchy is the dumbest shit in the world. from now on, every time someone tells me how great anarchy is, i'm gonna shoot them in the neck and say 'yeah man, having no laws sure is fucking sweet'.

perhaps if i seperate their head from their body, they'll quit talking out their ass.

[S@T@N]

Yes, lets all say "fuck you" to the system that you're a part of. I'm cool
'cause I listen to rock music and hate authority. In 5 years I won't
remember anything about myself except for the fact that I live on 3rd
street and smell like something that crawled out of the trash, but that's
ok, because then I'll be truly free man! whoo.


Go express your "right" to disobey the laws against suicide.

[kilgoretrout]

obviously you only know what your TV tells you about anarchy.

[S@T@N]

oh..... like.. underground anarchy? hahaha no go die. I'm not kidding.

[IntangibleFame]

kids who rock anarchy "A's" on their backpacks, sweaters, coats, v-necks will get shot by me...Fucking stupid kids who think they know shit. I remember when people used to draw them on their binders in middleschool and like elementry school and shit. Fucking stupid fucking people anarchy is the gayest comcept known to man. Go live on a secluded island and rape sheep.

[shitmop-1$]

its was always the dirty rich white hippie kids. i dont know why they hate the system when they have it so good.

[seeking]

Originally posted by kilgoretrout
obviously you only know what your TV tells you about anarchy.

so then enlighten us please.
i've got nothing to do tonight. i'd be happy to tear your pathetic excuses for 'social insight' to shreads.

c'mon 'kilgore', school us.
oh wait, you dont believe in school either do you? i mean, it's just another tool the man uses to keep us down.

seeks/raised with wolves

[GLIK$]

.iloveyouoner.

[mr.yuck]

Originally posted by seeking
so then enlighten us please.
i've got nothing to do tonight.

Im in the same boat and would also like to see what kilgore knows.

Entertainmeoner.

[sludgenuts]

PUNK RAWWWWWWKKKKKK!!@#!@#!@#!~@~~!!!!!#!!!1111!!

[rubbish heap]

[img]http://newdeal.feri.org/nchs/images/democracy.jpg'>
now the only problem is, the united states is not a democracy. it's a republic.

fuck anarchy, change the system and live in a true democracy.

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
[img]http://newdeal.feri.org/nchs/images/democracy.jpg'>
now the only problem is, the united states is not a democracy. it's a republic.

fuck anarchy, change the system and live in a true democracy.


FUCK YOU...PUNK RAWWWWKKKKKKKKKK :::spitting beer on people and giving my middle finger::::

[CAPiTA]

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
Go live on a secluded island and rape sheep.
Originally posted by IntangibleFame
Go live on a secluded island and rape sheep.
Originally posted by IntangibleFame
Go live on a secluded island and rape sheep.

[Don't Panic]

Well, this was disappointing.
So much for judging a user by their username.

How about we cut all this "anarchy" shit, and make this a "Do it Yourself" thread. So come on, Kilgore. How do I do things myself?

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by CAPiTA



wear leather covered in studs and painted band logos, yell fuck you PUNK RAWK!!!@11111134!!! 4N412CHY...

[sludgenuts]

real anarchists spike their hair and dont brush their teeth!

[imported_some pittsburgh flavor]

FUCK YEAH MAN

PUNK FAWKING WRAWRK
IT"S NOT DEAD MAN
I SLEEP NI TEH GUTTER CUZ I DONT NEED YOUR LAWS MAN

[sludgenuts]

fucking right only law and order you need is the law and order of punk rawk points. i hope i can find a blanket for tonight oi oi oi punk rawk!

[seeking]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
real anarchists spike their hair and dont brush their teeth!

real anarchists have more than 9 posts, and dont read vonegut cause thats some faggoty ass beatnick hippy shit.
real anarchists dont wear shirts and stand with their knees sort of half buckling, wearing super tight pants and snarling alot.


seeks/never mind the bullocks, here's the seek pistols

[S@T@N]

HAHAHAHHOHAOHAOHHOAHOAHOALAOALOLOLLMAOALMAMAOLOLOL LOL!!!!!111!11!

[space base]

KILGORE TROUT: HOW OLD ARE YOU?

[Poop Man Bob]

kilgoretrout

Vonnegut rules.

[sludgenuts]

anarchy is lieing to your parents.... oR tYpInG lIkE tHiS... xorx maybex puttingx x's x betweenx everythingx

[imported_some pittsburgh flavor]

fuck you man anarchy equals pabst and a pink mowhawk you hippey fuck you

[Smart]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Vonnegut rules.

Yeah... I remember Pat Jilbert...

[Coffie Crave]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
anarchy is lieing to your parents.... oR tYpInG lIkE tHiS... xorx maybex puttingx x's x betweenx everythingx
:king:

[sludgenuts]

are you the coolest kid in school?



you would be if you smoked...or at least a real anarchist!!!!

[Coffie Crave]

Humans are not meant to be controlled

if we did not have rules/laws this whole place would be crazy,

esample: your dad just gave you 20 bucks for mowing the lawn, so you get a ride to the mall from your mom, to go buy your new punk cd, i come up to you drop kick you in the head take your 20 bucks then rape your mom and then take your family car, what you gona do??? call the cops? wait thers no laws

[sludgenuts]

dude you dont buy punk rawk cds at the mall...duuhhh you buy raw anarchy!!!!

[Coffie Crave]

heh, maby everyone's advice might help this kid out and stop him from playing ''i hate the world'' becuse his mom wont buy him new shoes

[sludgenuts]

i bet a mallgoth beat this kid up, thats why hes so pissed...its gonna be chaos!!

[mr.yuck]

Originally posted by Coffie Crave
if we did not have rules/laws this whole place would be crazy,

esample: your dad just gave you 20 bucks for mowing the lawn, so you get a ride to the mall from your mom, to go buy your new punk cd, i come up to you drop kick you in the head take your 20 bucks then rape your mom and then take your family car, what you gona do??? call the cops? wait thers no laws

That sounds much more interesting than real life. I just wish things would be more like the cowboy days where you could duel it out with people at high noon. I run this town now.

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by mr.yuck
That sounds much more interesting than real life. I just wish things would be more like the cowboy days where you could duel it out with people at high noon. I run this town now.


dont lie...you wanna be a mall goth!

[Coffie Crave]

Originally posted by mr.yuck
That sounds much more interesting than real life. I just wish things would be more like the cowboy days where you could duel it out with people at high noon. I run this town now.

haha cowboy flicks are dope

[Coffie Crave]

hhhhahahahahaahahahaahhahahahahahahahahhaha

mallgoth's hhaha im useing that,

:lol:

[keep]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
dude you dont buy punk rawk cds at the mall...duuhhh you buy raw anarchy!!!!
ummm........buying anarky?

[sludgenuts]

ya hot topic usually gets their shipment of anarchy in on like tues. and sat. you may wanna wait in line..it sells out fast!

[mr.yuck]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
dont lie...you wanna be a mall goth!

Im having a hard enough time fitting in with all of the 15 year old mall wiggers.

[sludgenuts]

dude if you paint your face youll be in, no doubt. just beable to recite the whole crow movie off heart and youll be fine. annd uhhhhhhhhhh yaaaa CAUSE CHAOS AND ANNNNAARRRCCHHHHHYYYYYY SLIPKNOT PUNK RAWK ANARCHY!!!!

[AevOne718]

Anarchy works on a lifestyle level, like communism (true communism).

Any autonomous decision is an anarchist decision. It is not influenced by any established authoritain system, it is an act of anarchy. Fuck the circle A and all that shit. Fuck hot topic anarchy t-shirts (im sure kilgoremcnuttenhiemer has his in the wash right now)... Anarchy works in squats, communes, tents set up in the park. heh. anarchy

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by AevOne718
Anarchy works on a lifestyle level, like communism (true communism).

Any autonomous decision is an anarchist decision. It is not influenced by any established authoritain system, it is an act of anarchy. Fuck the circle A and all that shit. Fuck hot topic anarchy t-shirts (im sure kilgoremcnuttenhiemer has his in the wash right now)... Anarchy works in squats, communes, tents set up in the park. heh. anarchy

there really is no sense in trying to act smart...just cut your self for attention!

[imported_some pittsburgh flavor]

dude what do communes have to do with anarchy? are you retarded? anarchy is vomiting, razor blades, and spiked hair, you fucking greedy twat

[Coffie Crave]

Originally posted by AevOne718
Anarchy works on a lifestyle level, like communism (true communism).

Any autonomous decision is an anarchist decision. It is not influenced by any established authoritain system, it is an act of anarchy. Fuck the circle A and all that shit. Fuck hot topic anarchy t-shirts (im sure kilgoremcnuttenhiemer has his in the wash right now)... Anarchy works in squats, communes, tents set up in the park. heh. anarchy

i dont really understand, but hey you tride and thats all that counts.

[mr.yuck]

Originally posted by Coffie Crave
haha cowboy flicks are dope

<span style='color:black'>True. But i mean in real life. I could be at the local bar playing poker, smoking a cigar and drinkin whiskey then all of a sudden some cards fall outta the guys sleeve that is sitting across from me. Then i could say something cool like "You yellerbellied varmin," then blast him full of lead and it would be okay. Cuz he was cheating. We could go back to playing cards. If the sheriff was feelig saucey and stickin his nose in my business, i could blast him too. I run this town now.</span>

[AevOne718]

WAITAMINNIT... youse guys is right (i live on staten island)

Im gooin to hot tpyc ... where is my cloves!! shit, looket my crazy scarz mane!! weahh


i listen to cannebil corpse and hang out with the coolest kids. one has spicky harS!!

[AevOne718]

oh yeah, FUCK COWBOYS. FUCK THEM.

Pirates will slash your motherfucking faces you bitchfucking barnacle dicked scurvy shit faced bastards. Im going to wear your fucking nostrils as a cock ring while i fuck your motherfucking chaps wearing ass. FUCK WHISKY. FUCK CARDS. Its rum and motherfucking dice.

Up the neopirates!!

i just shit myself so hard.

[Coffie Crave]

Originally posted by mr.yuck
<span style='color:black'>True. But i mean in real life. I could be at the local bar playing poker, smoking a cigar and drinkin whiskey then all of a sudden some cards fall outta the guys sleeve that is sitting across from me. Then i could say something cool like "You yellerbellied varmin," then blast him full of lead and it would be okay. Cuz he was cheating. We could go back to playing cards. If the sheriff was feelig saucey and stickin his nose in my business, i could blast him too. I run this town now.</span>

hah

[Coffie Crave]

Originally posted by AevOne718
i just shit myself so hard.
:confused:

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by AevOne718
oh yeah, FUCK COWBOYS. FUCK THEM.

Pirates will slash your motherfucking faces you bitchfucking barnacle dicked scurvy shit faced bastards. Im going to wear your fucking nostrils as a cock ring while i fuck your motherfucking chaps wearing ass. FUCK WHISKY. FUCK CARDS. Its rum and motherfucking dice.

Up the neopirates!!

i just shit myself so hard.




BOOORRRRRIINNNNNGGGGGGG go paint anarchy symbols on things!

[Coffie Crave]

alright alirght, this thing is on page 2 already, wow we must be wasteing space on 12oz... anarchy!!!!!!!!!!!

but on a real note, CLOSE

[sludgenuts]

dude this is anarchy, there is no order or structure there for no one can close this...come on now!!!!

[mr.yuck]

Yeah pirates say some pretty cool shit too. Walk the plank ye scurvy dog. Arrggg. Plus they have hooks for hands and have a flag with a skull on it. That's pretty damn cool too.

Maybe I should weigh the pros and cons between Pirates and Cowboys. I mean I really have nothing better to do.

Cowboys Pro:

[list=1]
stubble
horses
revolvers
cards
whiskey
hookers
bar fights
duels
lassos
bonanza
rob trains and banks
outlaws
roll their own cigarettes
have hide outs in the middle of the desert
say cool things
[/list=1]

Con:

[list=1]
chaps
its hot
[/list=1]


Pirates Pro:
[list=1]
hooks for hands
cool costumes
eye patches
swords
jolly roger
they steal shit
they burry treasure
They say cool things
they make people walk the plank
they swear a lot
outlaws
rum
[/list=1]

Con:
[list=1]
live on a boat
wooden legs
parrots
scurvy
[/list=1]




hmmm this is a tough one. Pirates are cool and all but they get scurvy. Fuck that. I wanna sit on a porch with a shot gun and chew tobacco and protect my land. Word. I run this town now.

[sludgenuts]

face it, mallgoths are anarchy kings...they will rule all cowboys and all pirates. and what about those indians...they fucked shit up!

[sludgenuts]

NEWS FLASH!!!!!
THIS IS REAL ANARCHY TAKE NOTES!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...7&category=1467 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2954467977&category=1467)

[mr.yuck]

Haha its at $99,999,999.00. That's great.

[AevOne718]

You sir, are a bastard.

PIRATES:

1. Have crazy filthy ass dreadlocks and shit
2. Johnny Depp
3. wear bandanas, and yet aren't Blood or Latin Kings
4. know the location of Davy Jones locker
5. listen to anal cunt
6. kill you
7. use a blunderbus, not a stupid pussy ass six gun

Cowboys:

1. wear chaps
2. run out of bullets all the damn time
3. dont have swords
4. dont know who they are hitting in a barfight
5. suck

the end.

and besides, the pirates that fuck up the carribean hada low chance of getting scurvy cause all they had to do was eat an orange or drink some capri sun or some shit. fuck you. arrh

[sludgenuts]

pirates suck...SPIKEY HAIRED DRUNK PUNX!!!!! 40 OZ CASUALTY OI OI OI ANARCHY IN THE UK, EVEN THOUGH I LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF ANARCHY. oi oi oi.....









pussy!!!!

[B_As_In_Bot]

Im actually really tired of seeing the the states in power - constantly fucking over the little guys - getting away with unspeakable acts - The real criminals are the politicians in cahoots with other criminal forces. Drugwars,Imprisoners , The chemically covered filth everyone eats and dies from (Pesticides). Big global bussiness is 100% bullshit and should be broughten down.

Cell Phones, Fast food, Coke/Pepsi, Wal-Mart, General Electric..

Bomb the establisment - Take it back to the Renaissance

And I dont know about the rest of you here - But Im actually ready to see a change happen in my lifetime.

The way the world is maintained now - we dont have a future unless we stop the bullshit thats going on. Take it back before its too late I say..


Its not anarchy - Its defending our future to come.This date and time anarchy has been exploited by college fratboys having riots and looting for a rush. People embrace chaos because they know (or like many - dont yet know) that one day it will set them free. Untill that day comes people will continue to make a mockery of it.

[sludgenuts]

BOOOORRRRRIIINNNNNGGGGGGG i did not see the mention of mallgoths, punks, oi, pirate,indian, nor scanavian elbino man...there for your protest for intelligence was lame...

[AevOne718]

i SAy its time for a second renaissance
i bought some oil paints, im going to go around painting pictures all over basquiat style. art brut, raw art. tis called outsider art. pirates still kick as.ss

[sludgenuts]

renaissance time!!!! lets play!!! i know lets be dirty kids that sit in the streets and beg for change then when its time to go home jump in their chrysler sebring convertable mommy and daddy bought them. thats anarchy. punk fuckin rawk !


p.s. i kick ass!

[space base]

KILGORETROUT: YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK? I THINK THAT YOU ARE LARGE POTATOE. YOU LIVE IN THE SAME TOWN AS ME. I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN YOU, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE. THERE IS NO USE IN CHANGING YOUR WORD BECAUSE IM GONNA BEAT UP AND ROB ANYONE THAT EVEN FITS YOUR DESCRIPTION. HAVE A NICE DAY YOU TOY FAGGOT.

[S@T@N]

So B.... what the hell system would it be? Not one with help for the
disabled, the elderly, the poverty stricken, the SICK, I assure you that.
If you took away law, this place would go to shit. I'll elaborate:

It's in our genetics. When you take away authority, the "I'm a big tough
guy who should own everything" instinct kicks in. It wouldn't be a fair
place. That which was taken by the government before would be taken
by some psycho with a complex. And like I said, without the goverment
taking a little from everyone and making it available to those who need
help, we'd have less and less structure to our social ladder.

[taco bell bomber]

all i have to say is i studied on up on anarchy for a while, and if you truly believed in it...you wouldnt be on your computer right now buddy.

[seeking]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
BOOOORRRRRIIINNNNNGGGGGGG i did not see the mention of mallgoths, punks, oi, pirate,indian, nor scanavian elbino man...there for your protest for intelligence was lame...

Originally posted by sludgenuts
ya hot topic usually gets their shipment of anarchy in on like tues. and sat. you may wanna wait in line..it sells out fast!


hahaha. dude, you're literaly making me laugh out loud. that's so rare these days on here.

anyway, to the fag who keeps talking about pirates....how fucking trendy can you be? if this thread took place a year ago, you'd be swearing up and down that ninjas were the coolest thing ever. are you 16? cause you're stupid like a 16 year old. anarchy works in tent cities in the park????? are you kidding me? the fact that the only examples you can give of anarchy working, are with homeless people living out of dumpsters, proves how fucking stupid it is. not to mention have you ever seen a bunch of homeless people hang out? they're a bunch of mentally incompetent addicts and drunks who fight eachohter over batteries for their walkman, so they can listen to the fucking 'prince and the new power generation' tape they found at the corner of 6th and market.
as for the rest of your examples, they would be 'communist' (hence the fucking name - COMMUNE. you dumb bitch.

as for the idea that 'anarchy' can somehow defeat the juggarnaut of globalization, mass marketing, and (my new favorite thing) text messeging, as sludgepuppy or whatever said, 'bbbbbbbbooooooorrrrrrrrrinnnnnnnnnnnnngggggg'
in an anarchistic society, with no governing body, who will go through 8 years of medical school? who will teach 8 years of medical school? who will fix the roads, set up telephone polls? who will forge bicycle chains, and who will distribute them from iowa to florida? 'anarchy shipping inc.'? or will each neighborhood have its own bike chain blacksmith? will this person be the same guy who sharpens scissors out of his little cart that he drives down a street ringing a bell? who will regulate the drug manufacturers so that when they say its 'insulin' for diabetics, its not just canary piss?
finally, i can show you a dozen examples of working socialism, but you cant show me a single example of anarchism that has EVER worked, in the history of mankind.

man was not only meant to be ruled, he wants to be ruled and would freak the fuck out if he didnt have that bit in his mouth, telling him what to do next.

cave men werent even fucking anarchists. they had communities with leaders and order. infact, there is not a single model in nature, that would support the idea that 'anarchism' could ever work. animals are all either heirachys, or they're all loners who do nothing but eat breed and die.

seeks/i try to tell em i'm like hope-floats man, ghetto spokes man

[imported_some pittsburgh flavor]

and let me tell you one thing if i know what anarchy is its dreadlocks and spiked chains the system works man you jsut gotta believe in no one but yourself and fight the powers and drink and i jsut got a new house from this guy its a box fan box man how fucking crust can you get

[metallix]

What the fuck is this thread about?

nobody is telling me what to do, first of all. if i want to, i can sit on the street and do nothing. Your are free to break any laws you want. However you will pay the consequences.

If anarchy was implemented, who would produce the computer for you to produce this message, in order for it to reproduce itself on the monitors of hundreds of people in order to produce a debate?


Open your eyes and see that capitalism is anarchaic in itself by nature because the market is dictated by anarchaic forces which cannot be controlled (for simplicity sake.)

the market does not concern itself with anything but profit, hence anarchy in the system.

go get a job at mcdonalds, do not show up and see what happens. the market will fire you as it pleases, displace you as it pleases, kill you as it pleases (if you commit murder, you get life if convicted.)

when the economy sheds 450,000 jobs in one quarter, that is anarchy.
when oil prices get shocked up and down that is anarchy.

it is a system based on supply and demand, whichever subject to variable forces...anarchy!

[kilgoretrout]

I do agree that at this moment in time anarchism as a working system is not concievable. Thre are too many people that do not realize the full potential of the human brain, so they react to everything in a violent manner. If they want something they will take it with violence, even if it is not essential to anyones well bieng. If there is any type of conflict, they can think of no other solution than violence. for an anarchist society to work, violence would have to be realized for what it really is, an out-moded form of conflict resolution.

however, I think anarchism is more about living your life withoughtbieng exploited by large corporations or the limits of laws. graffiti laws for example limit peoples rights to express themselves, I dont think anyone has that right. the government can send you to war in order to keep money in theyre friends pockets, I just feel in my heart that this is the wrong way to do things.

as for the personal jabs, I'm actually younger than 16, i dont shop at hot topic,in fact i vandalize it as much as possible, and i dont have a mohawk or draw those stupid circleA's everywhere. But, im young and im still trying to figure out who i am, so i could be wrong about everything.

[Don't Panic]

Originally posted by kilgoretrout
i could be wrong about everything.
Start here. Worry about political (or lack thereof) theories later.

[Smart]

Originally posted by kilgoretrout
for an anarchist society to work, violence would have to be realized for what it really is, an out-moded form of conflict resolution.

oh, so, you mean the kind of anarchy where people agree on some ground rules...

[seeking]

Originally posted by kilgoretrout
i could be wrong about everything.

BINGO.
trust me, the less ridiculous statements you make now, the less you'll have to regret down the road when you become everything you used to hate, back before you understood anything.

[kemekill]

Originally posted by metallix


the market does not concern itself with anything but profit, hence anarchy in the system.



an·ar·chy - Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

Does this seem weird to anyone else???

[sludgenuts]

booorrrriiinnnggggggg you people and your pointless chattering of this no-goverment dream...why dont you paint your face and hang out at the mall. EVERYONE KNOWS REAL ANARCHISTS WORK AT STARBUCKS THAT WAY THEY CAN DESTROY FROM INSIDE THE SYSTEM...DUUHHHHHHHHH



p.s. iiimmmmmm bbbaaacccckkkkkk and still kick ass!

[sludgenuts]

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NOW THATS ANARCHY!!!!!!!!

[AevOne718]

I like pirates. I always have. I was 7 and found a pirate ring in the street. I wore it for a long while. I heard about the whole ninja thing on many forums. Ninjas are fucking stupid.

As for tent cities in the park, that was A JOKE. On the other hand, i have seen homeless people "hang out". Ive seen them organize Food Not Bombs, and help their fellow homeless who did not have it together enough to find a sufficient source of food. I have seen homeless people organize shows and benefits (succesfully). Ive met kids from Virginia, DC, and even California, all in New York City. I have heard stories from homeless people about adventures that many of you will probably never live out. Some people say that while a homeless person might be free from material possesions and rent and all that, they are a prisoner to themselves, their problems, addictions, whatever. Well, I'd rather be a prisoner to myself than to anyone else.

As for a functioning anarchism, yes, actually those have existed. African tribes would function on a totally equal level, everyone shared everything, conflicts were solved in tribe gatherings where everyone was given a voice. It would work with civilized intelligent people, very few of which live in America. On the other hand, some of the intelligent people i have met are anarchists. And they live fine.

Anarchy won't work on a large level. But anarchists who live their lifestyles with autonomy have connections all over the country and all over the world. They seem to be doing pretty well too, since hardly anyone is aware of it.

I am 16, I do like pirates, and I don't consider myself an anarchist, but an autonomist. I want to be in charge of my own life. If it means eating out of dumpsters, thats fine, ive had dumpstered food, and it's worth the same $5 you paid for it before you changed your mind and "threw it in the garbage".

If you don't have stories to tell at the age of 80, then you may as well have been dead at the age of 20.

[sludgenuts]

everyone must be out causing real chaos, like in the streets and stuff. breaking bottles, blowing stop signs, going over the speed limit, real crazy like stuff.

[AevOne718]

http://www.crimethinc.com/fighting/

learn something.

[sludgenuts]

www.ebay.com (http://www.ebay.com)
buy something!

[sludgenuts]

www.mallgoths.com (http://www.mallgoths.com)

you can learn something here.

[sludgenuts]

oi im the punk police and i grant you 2340384308 punk points oi oi. now then why dont you cause real chaos and tell your managers "fuck you!"

[MOOGLE?]

1. third person seeking?

i hope you are keeping that from your actual speech patterns..

2. goths and punks in general...not talking about those trendy fucks. but is it just me or are there fewer and fewer african amerivans male and female in these genres that are sincerely in these scenes?

3. i believe anarchy is only momentary. once this ideal becomes reality everything will just cycle through again . anarchy-->tribalism-->hiearchy-->whatever

it may not be in that order, but its just human nature..genetics if you will.


bleh all this theorizing is makin me hungry.

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by MOOGLE?
1. third person seeking?

i hope you are keeping that from your actual speech patterns..

2. goths and punks in general...not talking about those trendy fucks. but is it just me or are there fewer and fewer african amerivans male and female in these genres that are sincerely in these scenes?

3. i believe anarchy is only momentary. once this ideal becomes reality everything will just cycle through again . anarchy-->tribalism-->hiearchy-->whatever

it may not be in that order, but its just human nature..genetics if you will.


bleh all this theorizing is makin me hungry.




maybe because african americans dont know what real anarchy is....duuhhhhh


p.s. that was not in a racist manner at all. thank you.

[MOOGLE?]

......you should read history books more often sludge. that way you wont sound so uninformed.

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by MOOGLE?
......you should read history books more often sludge. that way you wont sound so uninformed.


ever think i am informed and realize how stupid you sound?

p.s. my dad can kick your dads ass!

[seeking]

Originally posted by AevOne718
As for a functioning anarchism, yes, actually those have existed. African tribes would function on a totally equal level, everyone shared everything, conflicts were solved in tribe gatherings where everyone was given a voice.

so ummmm, since you just described eutopian communism, perhaps now you can give a stab at describing one of these 'anarchist' states.

It would work with civilized intelligent people, very few of which live in America. On the other hand, some of the intelligent people i have met are anarchists. And they live fine.

well, if we were to use the definition you just gave, then infact there were plenty of anarchist communities spread all over the americas...that is until the white man came in, completely unchecked by laws or morals, causing 'anarchy' and murdering everyone.

Anarchy won't work on a large level.

neither will jumping out of my window, flapping my arms, and flying over to 7-11, which is precisely why i dont bother telling everyone how fucking cool it would be if it did work.

anarchists who live their lifestyles with autonomy have connections all over the country and all over the world. They seem to be doing pretty well too, since hardly anyone is aware of it.

so these 'anarchists' that you speak of. can you please create a pie chart indicating how many of them live with their parents, how many of them live in cardboard boxes, and how many of them live in 'autonomous' houses, free from the 'un-autonomous' restrictions of electricity, city water and sewage. and how do these far and wide 'connections' keep in contact? i hope its by carrier pigeon, smoke signals or mental telepathy, because if they're writing letters, they're nothing but slaves to the man. also, hardly anyone is aware that the lady in the bed next to my grandmother in the hospital, is dying of cancer, but i wouldnt say she's doing 'pretty well'.

I am 16, I do like pirates, and I don't consider myself an anarchist, but an autonomist. I want to be in charge of my own life.

an 'autonomist' that lives with his parents and has every requirement for survival provided by someone else. hoq cute. isnt that like 'fucking for virginity'? oh wait, no, that was war. my bad. 'dependent autonomy' is a neat concept. more people should believe in that.

If it means eating out of dumpsters, thats fine, ive had dumpstered food, and it's worth the same $5 you paid for it before you changed your mind and "threw it in the garbage".

when you eat out of a dumpster, you're eating food produced by and for the people you are claiming to be 'autonomous' from. which means you are at the mercy of what they decide to throw out. if they soak all their trash in bleach (which some places do, to discourage gutter punks and other worthless pieces of shit) you starve to death. the only thing 'autonomous' about that is that no one gives a fuck but you.

If you don't have stories to tell at the age of 80, then you may as well have been dead at the age of 20.

i have more stories than i have words to tell them with (and ive got a lot of words). being a mindless drone, and working within the system that life has granted us are two different things. only those with completely unrealistic views of the necessities of life confuse them, believing it to be an 'all or nothing' situation.


sludgehammer, please rephrase everything i just in two sentences, so i can laugh and say 'god, why didnt i just say that'?

[sludgenuts]

basically what hes saying is... the mallgoths wont let him hang out with them cause hes not pale enough and the punkards wont let them get pissed and destroy cause hes not mad enough..or rude...hes an outcast so hes gonna cause anarchy and chaos. basicallly....he sucks.

[sludgenuts]

playaz are anarchist, speeding around in their too fast too furious cars with coffee can exhuasts and the way they just use bitgches GAY-OS at its best. but not nearly as much anarchy as extra cream in your creamdream latte at star bucks

[sludgenuts]

i hear theres anarchy in the uk...perhaps a certain little boy...oops i mean pirate would like to live there. SID VICIOUS WAS INNOCENT, OI OI PUNK RAWK.

[S@T@N]

You need to fucking die. Or get banned, but I'm very fond of the dying.

Not sludgenuts, oh no. That other kid whose name I refuse to read.

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by S@T@N
You need to fucking die. Or get banned, but I'm very fond of the dying.

Not sludgenuts, oh no. That other kid whose name I refuse to read.


thats right cause i kick ass as i have previously stated. if you want my dad is a cop...i mean an anarchy advisary, he will arrest him if you want buh ahhahahahahaha

[sludgenuts]

thats right my anarchy patch on my leather jacket is scaring you away from posting, just how it should be. wait till i start the explosions. ChAoS aNd AnArChY 4 LiFe!!111!!!

[MOOGLE?]

naw man my sarcasm detector didnt sound off until i reread the posts.two days of no sleep will do that i guess.

but i'm just saying its a rare thing to see any punks that are black nowadays.. i think in my old city there where possibly 4 including me that truly with the diy,squatting, comunity , politics, music.
i caught alot of shit for this when i was younger even though i never limited myself to any genre of music.

i could rant for hours on end about anarchist theories , the government and bigwig companies , but i suck at typing and it would be a waste because nothing would be accomplished. so what if everyone in the world comes to an agreement on what anarchy really is, what would YOU do if a situation occurs and "anarchy" has enveloped your surroundings. its easy to say what you are going to do. but when it comes down to it nobody really knows what they would do until it happens.

bleh i'm steering away from this thread

[sludgenuts]

let me ask you this, what is this pointless drivel and chattering about talks of anarchy no goverment different forms of goverment and just plain ol lifestyles going to do? nothing, exactly so make fun of the stupid people who think that this is making a point proving something or making a change. im sorry im not nearly as smart , expierenced, punk rawk, mall goth, or chaotic as you. but eh i just think some shit is pointless.


p.s. your a fat head!

[MOOGLE?]

dem be tha rudeboys taken oer deh shanty..
- jimmy cliff-



a message to you rudy
stop your messin around
better think of your future
-the specials-

[sludgenuts]

the world looks like a finger painting done with
broken hands. i saw the last mantis today eat its own
head and fuck itself into nothing, into nothing. i'm
told that we had hands once, and we started carrying
knives. now we have knives instead. so even when we try to embrace we stab.learn to lick your wounds for the taste,learn to lick your wounds for the taste
~agoraphobic nosebleed

[sludgenuts]

salmon are real anarchists, the way they swim against the current all up stream and shit, thats fucking punk rawk!

[MOOGLE?]

[img]http://ibm1.cicrp.jussieu.fr/guet/zoosm.jpg'>

[26SidedCube]

I dunno about all of you... but I got the new Thrice, Thursday and Taking Back Sunday albums... I'm soooo ready to smash the state from my view of the lake it's like Judas and Jiffypop in a small hallway with things that suck: Parents, school, cops, homework, jobs, people who aren't like me, facists, the pretty girls who won't look at me and Marilyn Manson fans because I hate them.

[Rodney Trotter]

Originally posted by mr.yuck
Yeah pirates say some pretty cool shit too. Walk the plank ye scurvy dog. Arrggg. Plus they have hooks for hands and have a flag with a skull on it. That's pretty damn cool too.

Maybe I should weigh the pros and cons between Pirates and Cowboys. I mean I really have nothing better to do.

Cowboys Pro:

[list=1]
stubble
horses
revolvers
cards
whiskey
hookers
bar fights
duels
lassos
bonanza
rob trains and banks
outlaws
roll their own cigarettes
have hide outs in the middle of the desert
say cool things
[/list=1]

Con:

[list=1]
chaps
its hot
[/list=1]


Pirates Pro:
[list=1]
hooks for hands
cool costumes
eye patches
swords
jolly roger
they steal shit
they burry treasure
They say cool things
they make people walk the plank
they swear a lot
outlaws
rum
[/list=1]

Con:
[list=1]
live on a boat
wooden legs
parrots
scurvy
[/list=1]




hmmm this is a tough one. Pirates are cool and all but they get scurvy. Fuck that. I wanna sit on a porch with a shot gun and chew tobacco and protect my land. Word. I run this town now.



Yeah, but pirates get to sail to tropical islands, drink rum and fuck the native girls in the sunshine! Cowboys have to drink cheap whiskey and sleep with well trodden whores.

[sludgenuts]

just face it, your all mallgoths and thats all youll ever be! real anarchists hang out in the mall buy their shiny shirts with screen printed anarchy symbols all over them...thats real fucking chaos!

[mikro137]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
just face it, your all mallgoths and thats all youll ever be! real anarchists hang out in the mall buy their shiny shirts with screen printed anarchy symbols all over them...thats real fucking chaos!

its not real chaos until you get the official insurgence embroidered anarchy patch.

[sludgenuts]

with captain anarchy ian k.'s signiture

[mikro137]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
with captain anarchy ian k.'s signiture

by ian k do you mean ian keller who stole my bass head?

[sludgenuts]

dude, do you people realize that anarchy is the only system that makes sense....considering anarchy is not a system at all and that its the complete opposite meaning there is no system ppsssshhhhhh lets go to the mall!!!!

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by mikro137
by ian k do you mean ian keller who stole my bass head?

i dont know he admitted to having rizes amp but said he didnt have that so i dont know if he did...

[sludgenuts]

[img]http://www.theweathermen.com/acatalog/punk%20anarchy%20logo.jpg'>

[img]http://www.raisethefist.com/anarchy.jpg'>


[img]http://home.claranet.de/misthaufen/bilder/anarchie/anarchy.jpg'> this one is real chaos!!!

[img]http://www.laoghaire.net/anarchy.jpg'> this is exactly how kids should be raised, by 3 they should be out commiting hate crimes and the like...

[img]http://www.bloomington.in.us/~okolicko/images/anarchy.jpg'> seee even the gods believe in anarchy...come on now lets go blow up a starbucks maybe kill some coppas...lets knock over street lights so cars smash into each other cause that would prove every point im trying to make herE!!!!

[sludgenuts]

ooorrrr maybe, just maybe, the goverment is trying to tell us something..hmmmmmmmm its all a conspiriacy

[mikro137]

wow 4 pages...

[sludgenuts]

four pages = anarchy...shut up!


p.s. i still love you!

[mikro137]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
four pages = anarchy...shut up!


p.s. i still love you!

you arent an anarchist if you dont love me

[sludgenuts]

do mallgoths turn into mall cops so that they can destroy the "system" from within...if not they should!

[mr.yuck]

Originally posted by Rodney Trotter
Cowboys have to drink cheap whiskey and sleep with well trodden whores.

Hmmm. What's wrong with that? Seems I already am a cowboy.:king: :lol: :lol: :D :king: :P :dazed: :cool: :king:

[sludgenuts]

after reading this, im pretty sure im an anarchist...lets go riot!

[AevOne718]

all i was saying was that ive seen it work, on a small scale, inside an already established system. Say what you will.

And Rodney, yes, pirates are better.

[imported_some pittsburgh flavor]

dude i'm so down to riot call me up on my pirated cell phone i mean my ninja-ed cell phone

i have to start a riot man you want to join me we can put up flyers and smash the system LOL SMASH LIKE TEH WINDOWES

[sludgenuts]

hey everyone ill be having a live broadcast on my pirated anarchy radio in 30 mins. im so punk i have it streaming just listen to me at www.anarchy4lifeplayaz.com (http://www.anarchy4lifeplayaz.com)

[sludgenuts]

hey guys, can i have an anarchy burger hold the goverment buh hahhahahahahhahahhaahaha. hey if your interesting theres a riot starting outside in the city, they are hoping they will get some kind of point across. i think they just want attention!

[S@T@N]

Whichever mod deleted that smalldick or whatever kid......


thanks. You are my hero.

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by S@T@N
Whichever mod deleted that smalldick or whatever kid......


thanks. You are my hero.


are you sure the crow isnt your hero...mallgoth!

[Smart]

Originally posted by S@T@N
Whichever mod deleted that smalldick or whatever kid......


thanks. You are my hero.

And my heros are the ones who only replied to him obliquely and (Thank God!) didn't quote him, making his removal so much easier AND maintaining the contextual flow of the topic...

Sometimes we all win. :)

[GLIK$]

stupid kids make me look smarter.

[sludgenuts]

WHO THE FUCK LET THIS GET TO THE 2ND PAGE...THATS JUST..JUST..FUCKING ANARCHY!!!!

[villain]

Too much joking. Okay okay punk rock is no longer purist. We get the point.
I like green anarchy myself.

[villain]

Actually my idea of anarchy is alot like pure democracy which doesn't exist in the united states due to the electoral vote. I guess that the founding fathers didn't trust the profane masses with such important matters, or maybe it was a ploy of some of the establishment to safeguard their legacies against womens rights and minority rights or whatever. Whatever it was it works. So far the most radical president we've had was an irish catholic who was assassinated.

[mikro137]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
WHO THE FUCK LET THIS GET TO THE 2ND PAGE...THATS JUST..JUST..FUCKING ANARCHY!!!!


OI OI OI!


we should write a song about 12oz anarchy today.

[villain]

Okay but I don't have any audio recording equipment right now. Maybe we should spraypaint the lyrics everywhere.

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by villain
Okay but I don't have any audio recording equipment right now. Maybe we should spraypaint the lyrics everywhere.


ok your just dumb.

[mikro137]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
ok your just dumb.

clearly me and ole sludgy are in cahoots.

[sludgenuts]

hey guys, today...i spit on the sidewalk...





































AnArChY!!111!@#13lollmaorof!!#@13!!

[mikro137]

Originally posted by sludgenuts
hey guys, today...i spit on the sidewalk...





































AnArChY!!111!@#13lollmaorof!!#@13!!



















































holy fuck you are bad assed!

[villain]

Thank you for smearing your ignorant shit all over this thread.

[niso]

[img]http://www.infoshop.org/news6/capt_inauguration_protests_auz.jpg'>
[img]http://www.infoshop.org/news6/capt_inauguration_protests_nc9.jpg'>
[img]http://www.emergency.com/2001/prague-firebmb.jpg'>

[niso]

http://wombles.org.uk/
check this out that some hardcore fuckers

[villain]

I've heard of ARA, ABC, ainfos, skunk, totse, indymedia, etc... but I've never heard of the White Overalls Movement.

[sludgenuts]

Originally posted by villain
I've heard of ARA, ABC, ainfos, skunk, totse, indymedia, etc... but I've never heard of the White Overalls Movement.



whos the ignorant one fucker?


p.s. your dumber than a sack of rocks.

p.p.s. just kidding, i still have the hots for you!

[imported_some pittsburgh flavor]

yeah um, those protests aren't rowdy, you aren't anarchy

this is real anarchy
[img]http://www.fotango.com/p/eba00299807f00000009.jpg'>

where the fuck are your teenage emo kids with impeach bush signs??? the fuck kind of anarchy do you have over there....

[sludgenuts]

real anarchy would be if those horses were walking over people and shitting everywhere and people were throwing the shit and it was just chaos in the streets...




or if the fast and furious car crew came through...the name alone is fucking anarchy!!!!

[KaBar2]

I've tried my hardest to ignore this thread, but I just can't. I'm not even an anarchist anymore and this shit gets my jaws tight. GO READ SOME ANARCHIST WRITERS FOR PITY'S SAKE. Je-zuz! How about, for starters,

Stuart Christie
Albert Meltzer
Emma Goldman
Prince Peter Kropotkin
Errico Malatesta
Mikhail Bakunin
Godwin
Colin Ward (??)

"Anarchy, State and Utopia" Robert Nozick
"The Anarchists in the Russian Revolution" Paul Avrich
the anarchist journal "No Middle Ground"

"Forbidden Fruit" Paul Kurtz
"The International Revolutionary Solidarity Movement" A. Meltzer
"Bakunin: On Anarchism" Edited by Sam Dolgoff
"Nowhere At Home" Emma Goldman & Alexander Berkman
"Malatesta: Life and Ideas" Edited by Vernon Richards
"God and the State" Bakunin
"In Defense of Anarchism" Robert Paul Wolff
"The American as Anarchist" David DeLeon
"The Christie File" Stuart Christie
and probably best of all,

"Floodgates of Anarchy" Christie and Meltzer.

and one I helped write:

"Towards a Citizen's Militia: Anarchist Alternatives to NATO and the Warsaw Pact." IRSM--First of May Group. Cold War anarchism--1980.

So get busy. If you're going to go around being a fucking anarchist, at least understand what it is that you supposedly believe. An "chaos" ain't it. Not if you are an anarchist, anyway. Fascist, maybe. ("The more the violence, the less the revolution.")

This internet has hundreds of genuine anarchist websites. Look one up.

[AevOne718]

Thank you Kabar. I've always been a fan of the Hobo/tramp thread. Maybe if you find the time we can talk, and you can tell me a few stories, because i am damn interested in that stuff.

[KaBar2]

Shoot me an email to my bogus Hotmail address:

Rsaxon50@hotmail.com

[JaZe]

i am more into hip hop and all never really paided much attention to punk rock.. what is a anachary anyways? isnt a 80's verison of emo kids whinning about poltics,democracy ext ext

[Scrabble]

Originally posted by JaZe
what is a anachary anyways?

It's when you wear clothes that dont match. That's genuine anarchy.

[KaBar2]

Go back to sleep.

[imported_some pittsburgh flavor]

hey go get a casualties cd and a six pack because that's real anarchy and make sure your socks dont match

[serum]

RBR: In many ways the left today finds itself back at its original starting point in the last century. Like then, it now faces a form of capitalism that is in the ascendancy. There would seem to be greater 'consensus' today, more than at any other time in history, that capitalism is the only valid form of economic organisation possible, this despite the fact that wealth inequality is widening.

Against this backdrop, one could argue that the left is unsure of how to go forward. How do you look at the current period? Is it a question of 'back to basics'? Should the effort now be towards bringing out the libertarian tradition in socialism and towards stressing democratic ideas?

CHOMSKY: This is mostly propaganda, in my opinion. What is called 'capitalism' is basically a system of corporate mercantilism, with huge and largely unaccountable private tyrannies exercising vast control over the economy, political systems, and social and cultural life, operating in close co-operation with powerful states that intervene massively in the domestic economy and international society.

That is dramatically true of the United States, contrary to much illusion.

The rich and privileged are no more willing to face market discipline than they have been in the past, though they consider it just fine for the general population.

Merely to cite a few illustrations, the Reagan administration, which revelled in free market rhetoric, also boasted to the business community that it was the most protectionist in post-war US history - actually more than all others combined. Newt Gingrich, who leads the current crusade, represents a superrich district that receives more federal subsidies than any other suburban region in the country, outside of the federal system itself.

The 'conservatives' who are calling for an end to school lunches for hungry children are also demanding an increase in the budget for the Pentagon, which was established in the late 1940s in its current form because - as the business press was kind enough to tell us - high tech industry cannot survive in a pure, competitive, unsubsidized, 'free enterprise' economy, and the government must be its saviour.

Without the saviour, Gingrich's constituents would be poor working people (if they were lucky). There would be no computers, electronics generally, aviation industry, metallurgy, automation, etc., etc., right down the list. Anarchists, of all people, should not be taken in by these traditional frauds.

More than ever, libertarian socialist ideas are relevant, and the population is very much open to them.

Despite a huge mass of corporate propaganda, outside of educated circles, people still maintain pretty much their traditional attitudes. In the US, for example, more than 80% of the population regard the economic system as inherently unfair and the political system as a fraud, which serves the special interests, not the people.

Overwhelming majorities think working people have too little voice in public affairs (the same is true in England), that the government has the responsibility of assisting people in need, that spending for education and health should take precedence over budget-cutting and tax cuts, that the current Republican proposals that are sailing through Congress benefit the rich and harm the general population, and so on. Intellectuals may tell a different story, but it's not all that difficult to find out the facts.

[KaBar2]

I do not believe that people are more open to anarchist ideas than ever before. Socialist ideas in general defy the obvious truth that the vast majority of people are motivated almost solely by self interest, and in effect, would much prefer to be rich, powerful and free from any restraint rather than moral, social and voluntarily working for the common good.

I spent years of my life as an anarchist, trying to organize, trying to spread the ideas of anarchism and libertarian socialism. So far as I can tell, it had no discernable positive effect, and basically was a waste of time. Nevertheless, I still have a bit of a soft spot for anarchists and anarchism in general.

I would be a lot more inclined to support the ideas of anarchism today if anarchists were more moral, more principled and less self indulgent. I got tired to hearing endless yadda-yadda-yadda about "revolution" and "overthrowing capitalism" and "the working class" from people who basically could not even change the spark plugs in their car.
"The working class" doesn't give a flying fuck about anarchism. They want a better job, and a good bass boat. They want their kids to do well in school, in the hope that someday they'll get a better job than their parents have, and will be able to afford better homes, nicer cars and more frequent vacations, to better destinations.
I never met a SINGLE genuine working class person who could be convinced that the capitalist system needed overthrowing. The only thing they would change is the size of their slice of the pie. They wanted to be RICH, and to hell with the rest of the working class.

On the other hand, all the anarchists I knew were pretty much spoiled middle-class or upper-class kids who were convinced that they had all the answers and that whatever they learned from their study of political books was vastly superior to the system as presently constructed. Almost all of the anarchists I knew were involved in some sort of deviant behavior--from homosexuality to drug abuse to petty theft and welfare cheating. Their goals were basically infantile--to get by without working by ripping off "the System", avoiding responsibility and by living off the hard work of others. VERY FEW of them ever worked any sort of industrial job. They glamorized people like steel workers and coal miners, but there is NO WAY IN HELL they would have taken a job on a jack-up oil rig, or gone tuna fishing in Alaska, or even done something like driving an 18-wheeler as an OTR trucker. Their idea of a "tough working class job" was something like working as a bicycle messenger, or at a pizza shop. Maybe a liberal, alternative bookstore. They had the persistance and stamina and maturity of a 14-year-old. I think people were correct to consider us to be silly dilettantes--we WERE silly dilettantes. Looking back on it, I wouldn't have trusted us to reliably drive a taxi, much less remake the most powerful economic engine on earth. It was foolishness.

The most embarrassing thing of all, in retrospect, was our idiotic talk about revolution. When I joined the Marine Corps, I got a shocking and sobering look at the power inherent in military force. I think a single Marine Corps battalion, turned loose to fight against the most publicized, wide-spread social unrest in America (perhaps the Rodney King riots in L.A.) would have required maybe a week to end it forever. We had absolutely no idea--NONE--of exactly how much power and violence could have been brought to bear against us. That the government chose not to do so shows that there really was not much validity to our insistance that "fascism" was running the country. If fascists had been running America, I would not be sitting here typing this, I would be laying in a mass grave on some military base or out in the middle of a test range in Nevada. They treated us with kid gloves. There were very few deaths, very few serious physical injuries. The worst case, Kent State, still only killed four students, and wounded eleven. For all the hoo-rah and publicity, it was a tempest in a teapot. If those National Guardsmen had been serious, those 66 bullets would have killed 66 students, and more. If the government had been serious, captured Weathermen would have been tortured for information. Bernadine Dohrn and Jeff Jones and Billy Ayers would have all been killed, along with the rest of the leadership of the WUO, Progressive Labor, SDS, the Socialist Worker's Party, IWW and all the rest of the Communist, socialist and anarchist organizations in the U.S. They would have been actively hunting and assassinating us. But they were not convinced that we were any real danger, thank God. Annoyed, yes. Angry, yes. Determined to kill us, no.

Like Billy Ayers of the Weathermen said, when the Justice Department had to drop charges of carrying out a bombing campaign; "Guilty as sin, and free as a bird." Not in a fascist nation, believe it. Only in America. He was a self-indulgent little pussy, and still is.

[kilgoretrout]

wow...

[kilgoretrout]

If you dont mind my asking kabar, what made you join the marines after bieng an anarchist?

[ClueTwo]

Originally posted by Smart
oh, so, you mean the kind of anarchy where people agree on some ground rules...

:lol: :lol: :lol: Three cheers and a bottle o' rum.....

Wow, I can see what it's like to be 16 and start using words bigger than your penis and have absolutely no idea about the meaning behind them.
It's tough growing up and having all these crazy ideas floating around. I'm so glad the I didn;t know about 12oz when I was that age. I probably would have shot myself or declared ar on a small country..Anyhooo, I'm outta heeerrreeeeeeee, cuase I'm a cowboy baby, runnin off to my desert hideaway...

[sludgenuts]

http://shop.oldglory.com/catalog/browse/pr...ODUCTID=4se3208 (http://shop.oldglory.com/catalog/browse/productview.asp?PRODUCTID=4se3208)

now you dont have to go to hot topic or spencers!!!

[mikro137]

Originally posted by some pittsburgh flavor
hey go get a casualties cd and a six pack because that's real anarchy and make sure your socks dont match


i cant b elieve you gave away the trade secret on the interweb! thats fuckin anarchy duuuuuuuuuuuuude!

[sludgenuts]

dude its obviously on the interweb, its clearly on the casualties website, and anti-flag and we cant forget the getup kids. no doubt. i think casualties even put it in their cd sleeves...oh wait this is anarchy punk rawkaos i mean vynl sleeves!

[KaBar2]

I thought a lot about that very question, Kilgore. I was free and clear. I did not get drafted, because I declared as a conscientious objector during Vietnam, and worked for two years in a rehabilitation hospital taking care of paralyzed men and boys. My "military obligation" had been fulfilled for over five years when I enlisted in the Marines. I had a lot of doubts that they would take me, considering my history of anti-war activism and being a C.O. I think I finally just came to the realization that the Vietnam conflict was a very divisive one. A lot of the arguments made by the other side began to weigh on me. There is an element of truth to every side of every argument.
I realized that I really do love my country. And I felt a feeling of obligation, and a feeling that I should have gone ahead and enlisted during the war. I still had some affinity for the ideas and history of anarchism, but I admired very few of the actual anarchists that I knew personally. After having served in the Marine Corps, I can say that I met a lot of good guys in there, a few of which have remained my friends for over twenty years. But there were quite a few jerks, too.
I'm glad I served in the Marines. I'm a lot prouder of my four years of Marine Corps service than I am of the ten or twelve years I spent as an anarchist. We got very little accomplished in the anarchist movement. I'd say that it's biggest drawback is that it attracts people what have a sort of adolescent attitude about life, and have difficulty accepting responsibility. Of course, the same thing can be said of the Marine Corps. Just in a different way.

[rize415]

its on! yay!
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