OFFICIAL 12ozPROPHET T-SHIRTS! [Archive] - THE WRITERS FORUM

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 04:38 PM

We finally got the officially sanctioned 12ozProphet t-shirt series underway with two soon to be classic shirts.

Featuring a tribute to everyone's favorite message board, THE WRITERS FORUM, and an exclusive shirt by everyones favorite nice guy - JOKER IHU. Made of premium quality 100% heavyweight, ring spun, combed cotton, and private labeled for authenticity, each shirt has been carefully crafted using the finest materials and technique. Available for a limited time on a first come, first served basis, these shirts will NOT be reprinted.

Stay tuned for next months t-shirt drop due mid-Decenber.

12ozPROPHET PRO LEAGUE (http://www.fourthehardway.com/product_info.php?products_id=92)

12ozPROPHET versus JOKER (http://www.fourthehardway.com/product_info.php?products_id=93)

[img]http://www.fourthehardway.com/images/varsity_1.gif'>

[img]http://www.fourthehardway.com/images/varsity_2.gif'>

[img]http://www.fourthehardway.com/images/joker_1.gif'>

[img]http://www.fourthehardway.com/images/joker_2.gif'>

http://www.fourthehardway.com

$360

11-10-2003, 04:41 PM

^^^^^^^^^^

that last one has some flavorness

beardo

11-10-2003, 04:43 PM

a bunch of confetti just got dumped on my head
nice touch

Don't Panic

11-10-2003, 04:45 PM

What does the writing under the tan target on Joker's shirt say?

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 04:45 PM

btw, the colors are slightly off in those images. we're in the midst of getting the shirts re-photgraphed, but I can assure you... they're hotdiculous! top quality guaranteed!

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Don't Panic
What does the writing under the tan target on Joker's shirt say?

'Joker vs 12ozProphet'

Pilau Hands

11-10-2003, 04:48 PM

hotdiculous hahahahaha

who did the first design? that's awesomlarious, and the joker vs is flavor as well. i gotta save some pennies.

Ted Wakowski

11-10-2003, 04:52 PM

You guys should sell kaws chomper shirts for $300.

TEARZ

11-10-2003, 04:56 PM

haha, that was funny.

mr.yuck

11-10-2003, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Ted Wakowski
You guys should sell kaws chomper shirts for $300. :lol:

I like the first one minus the writers forum part. The all star beef venue. Thats great. How much? Please dont tell me over $40 due to them being limited. Or whatever make your money guys.

Pilau Hands

11-10-2003, 05:00 PM

wow...click the links and do the fingerwalking. $22

mr.yuck

11-10-2003, 05:07 PM

Ahhh Im such a jack ass. I didnt even see the links. Good lookin pilau.

CIPHER_one

11-10-2003, 05:12 PM

I believe I'm planning on ordering for the sake of 'support'...and becuase the shirts look really nice. But, don't you think these might be a hard sell seeing as how writers tend to try ot be low-profile or whatever?

As in, I don't really see myself wearing these around town, I'd hate for some jackass to strike up a "graffing" converstion with me.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.....?

--zeSto--

11-10-2003, 05:19 PM

You know I'll be buying one just to give a little something back,
but I cant say I like the 'cap heads'. Maybe it's just me, but that seems
very cliched for a site like 12oz. The joker designs are way more in
touch with the content that we normally see on here.

put me down for a t.

Spike

11-10-2003, 05:21 PM

...fuck you for not having international shipping....

...but thank god for random uncles who live in the States. Finally my excuse to order stuff.

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by CIPHER_one
I believe I'm planning on ordering for the sake of 'support'...and becuase the shirts look really nice. But, don't you think these might be a hard sell seeing as how writers tend to try ot be low-profile or whatever?

As in, I don't really see myself wearing these around town, I'd hate for some jackass to strike up a "graffing" converstion with me.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.....?

That's why we left off the handstyles. We figured people that knew whats up would respect, and the rest of the world could just recognize it as a cool shirt.

imported_El Mamerro

11-10-2003, 05:33 PM

I'm copping that Joker joint so fast it'll make your father's ass hurt.

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Kilo7-
You know I'll be buying one just to give a little something back,
but I cant say I like the 'cap heads'. Maybe it's just me, but that seems
very cliched for a site like 12oz. The joker designs are way more in
touch with the content that we normally see on here.

put me down for a t.

too each his own. everyone will always have an opinion.

we were going for a vintage all american athletico style. the cap head is just a joke that puts it within context. sorry, but I don't see it as cliche at all and personally haven't seen any 'graff' based company do a team type t-shirt.

Team 12ozProphet
Go Team Go!

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 05:38 PM

Thanks to everyone buying shirts. It really does help support the board since all the loot is going straight towards buying new servers and equipment. Once we get that far, we'll be launching several new sections and also plan to host photos instead of leaving you guys to scounge a photohost.

Regardless, free goodies in every order and a fresh t-shirt to sport. Who could ask for more.

Thanks again.

--zeSto--

11-10-2003, 05:43 PM

yeah I know it's just my opinion and it will differ from yours.
and yes it does put the 'team asthetic' into context with a graffiti site,
but remeber this? http://www.artcrimes.com/sketch/blackbook/a_bd1.gif
That's just one of a thousand examples of 'cap head'.

Just my opinion though.

And I think having it on a classic '12oz gray' shirt would be cool too.

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 05:47 PM

using a cap as the head of a character is nothing new, but the context of how we used it is (in my opinion). it's like throwing a crown or a halo over a letter - just a classic motif within the culture.

anyhow, we plan to drop a limited batch of shirts each month from here on out, so maybe you'll like next month's releases better.

though based off the feedback we've gotten so far, I'm guessing the pro league shirt will be an instant classic.

seeking

11-10-2003, 05:54 PM

yall are being hyper critical of the whole 'cap head' thing. it's not 'cliche' it's a 'throwback', 'traditional' sort of design. look at any old baseball uniforms, they're all very simple, straight forward. characters with baseballs for heads, etc. if it was anything else, it wouldnt make sense.

and i would like to think i've done more than my part in maintaining the beef aspect of the site....well, maybe not lately, but you cant take the ghetto outa the nigga, naw'mean...

heavyLox

11-10-2003, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
Who could ask for more.

Is that a can of worms being opened?

Im still down with the first, King of kings shirts.

kido

11-10-2003, 06:03 PM

Damn I kind of like them. I guess Ive gotta buy one.

How many are being made?

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 06:06 PM

I think there was 150 total, but once the mods and friends get hooked up, that leaves about 130 total.

with all the kids on this board, that doesnt leave too many.

!@#$%

11-10-2003, 06:06 PM

where are the ladies sizes?!
have you forgotten about us?

i need SMALL!

why don't you accept discover?
you should.

Tyler Durden

11-10-2003, 06:07 PM

im going to feel very lame sitting here wearing "team" shirt while posting. yet.....im going to do it anyway. its about goddamn time i had a "jersey" for this shit.

the joker one will be mine pending i can get it in black still at the end of the week....

just out of curiousity, on the joker shirt, where are the graphics oriented on the shirt? im guessing the "main" one is upper center where most tshirt-graphics are.....but what about the other target image with the tag?

!@#$%

11-10-2003, 06:08 PM

...i mean, who doesn't like a tight t shirt on a busty lady?
i want y'all to come offfff:eek:

Tyler Durden

11-10-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by !@#$%
...i mean, who doesn't like a tight t shirt on a busty lady?

got-damn right...

seeking

11-10-2003, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by !@#$%
who doesn't like a tight t shirt on a busty lady?

seeks loves breasts.

if raven doesnt come through for yall. i'll break out the sharpie's and lace any girl that wants one.
f'real.

Spike

11-10-2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
anyhow, we plan to drop a limited batch of shirts each month from here on out, so maybe you'll like next month's releases better.

If that's the case, I cannot emphasise how much I want international shipping. I can't get an uncle to ship it over each month! I'd run out of uncles. Can I contact 4THW to see if they'll make an exception?

TEARZ

11-10-2003, 06:29 PM

that joker shirt is hot. i want one bad, and i like 12oz a lot, corny or not, it's done some very good things for my life. i went to go order one, and i couldn't go through with it. why? because my body won't let me order from a place that has ripped me off not once, but twice. i'd gladly order one if my two shipments from several years ago would magically appear in the box. ;)

tears/keepin it real

DETO

11-10-2003, 06:32 PM

where is the XXL

beardo

11-10-2003, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by DETO
where is the XXL

on sale exclusively through balleys total fitness...

DETO

11-10-2003, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by beardo
on sale exclusively through balleys total fitness... :lol:

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by !@#$%
where are the ladies sizes?!
have you forgotten about us?

i need SMALL!

why don't you accept discover?
you should.

I'll see about doing a couple smalls next round.

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Tyler Durden
im going to feel very lame sitting here wearing "team" shirt while posting. yet.....im going to do it anyway. its about goddamn time i had a "jersey" for this shit.

the joker one will be mine pending i can get it in black still at the end of the week....

just out of curiousity, on the joker shirt, where are the graphics oriented on the shirt? im guessing the "main" one is upper center where most tshirt-graphics are.....but what about the other target image with the tag?

front hit is centered upper chest, back hit is a couple inches from the bottom hem on the back right side.

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Spike
If that's the case, I cannot emphasise how much I want international shipping. I can't get an uncle to ship it over each month! I'd run out of uncles. Can I contact 4THW to see if they'll make an exception?

email [email protected] and I'm guessing you can work out an exception for international shipping with them. they're nice guys, give it a shot.

DETO

11-10-2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
I'll see about doing a couple smalls next round.

how about a few XXL??;)

seeking

11-10-2003, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by TEARZ
i went to go order one, and i couldn't go through with it. why? because my body won't let me order from a place that has ripped me off not once, but twice. i'd gladly order one if my two shipments from several years ago would magically appear in the box. ;)

tears/keepin it real

i cant speak for raven on this, but i know that dude has put up SEVERAL posts explaining that anyone that got screwed in the past, if they would email him with any kind of proof, he would more than make up for it now. if you havent tried to contact him, then no offense homie, but thats on you. and if you havent even tried, then it's not really fair for you to slander him without giving him a chance to make good.

imported_ubejinxed

11-10-2003, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by !@#$%
[B]where are the ladies sizes?!
have you forgotten about us?

i need SMALL!

agreed

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by TEARZ
that joker shirt is hot. i want one bad, and i like 12oz a lot, corny or not, it's done some very good things for my life. i went to go order one, and i couldn't go through with it. why? because my body won't let me order from a place that has ripped me off not once, but twice. i'd gladly order one if my two shipments from several years ago would magically appear in the box. ;)

tears/keepin it real

There's no excuses... I told anyone that had a misplaced order to contact [email protected] with any reference info so they could search archived records. If we owe you anything, you'll get it if you speak up.

TEARZ

11-10-2003, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by seeking
i cant speak for raven on this, but i know that dude has put up SEVERAL posts explaining that anyone that got screwed in the past, if they would email him with any kind of proof, he would more than make up for it now. if you havent tried to contact him, then no offense homie, but thats on you. and if you havent even tried, then it's not really fair for you to slander him without giving him a chance to make good.

ok fair enough dude, but i NEVER saw any info provided for those that got screwed in the past. maybe i wasn't looking hard- fuggit, i wasn't looking hard, but i don't feel like it's on me to have to LOOK for that kind of info.
and i haven't tried recently, but over the past 4 years i probably put out 20 or so "where's my shit" emails and calls. forgive me for not realizing if i had done this in the past two months it would work, as opposed to the previous three years. i know we all like raven and stuff, but come on man, that's far from slander. that's the truth. it's not like i haven't tried to contact dude to let him know what's up and give him the chance to make good.
raven, i see your post, but don't act all indignant and say "there's no excuse." come on man, you're running a business, you think that makes people want to order? did i mess up originally by ordering from you and not having my shit come? or sending 20 emails/call and never getting anything returned? i don't think so. and if you're willing to make good, cool, thanks. gravy train. i'll take you up on the offer.

the "slander" and "no excuse" comments seemed a little uneven to me, which is why i even responded here as opposed to email (where everything else should be settled). i'd much rather not marr raven's thread further. how bout that joker shirt? :)

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 08:04 PM

no one's upset. at least I'm not and I meant no foul in my statement to you. I'm simply saying that I've repeatedly mentioned that anyone with a missing order can contact us and if we can find evidence to substantiate the claim, you'll get your just deserves and some other good stuff to make up for the discrepency.

I'm just tired of kids whining about a pack of missing caps, then disappearing when I ask them to step up with some info or proof. We tried to start hitting up people we were aware of having missing orders, but it was a nightmare trying to get ahold of them with no phone numbers, and outdated addresses.

Like I've mentioned several times in the past, there were very few orders outstanding when we closed 7th Heaven since 98% of all orders we recieved were paid via credit card. Once people found out we closed, everyone and their mothers (literally) simply contested the charges with their bank and never lost a dime. Fact is there was only about a week and a half to two week discrepency where we werent sure what was happening where orders got processed and didnt ship before we closed our doors. However, we have records of all that stuff, and it still doesnt change the fact that Four The Hard Way only accepts credit cards, which means your covered 100% by the card issuer when you use it.

Regardless, we've got a squeeky clean record and I'm sure enough of you have already ordered from Four The Hard Way that plenty of you can step up and vouch for not only the fact you recieved what you ordered, but that it was delivered quickly and professionally with plenty of free stuff.

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 08:27 PM

hey no harm done...

just hit me up, or hit up [email protected] with some reference info and it'll be looked into and sorted out.

if you really did get your orders lost, then my personal apologies. 4THW has been specifically instructed to make sure people in that position are looked out for properly, so I'm sure you'll get laced up in the end.

GLIK$

11-10-2003, 08:30 PM

12oz Profit.

TEARZ

11-10-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
hey no harm done...

just hit me up, or hit up [email protected] with some reference info and it'll be looked into and sorted out.

if you really did get your orders lost, then my personal apologies. 4THW has been specifically instructed to make sure people in that position are looked out for properly, so I'm sure you'll get laced up in the end.

thanks, i appreciate it, and sorry to divert the thread. honestly, i know it sounds crazy, but i never looked at the original 4THW thread- i've never looked at that nightowls shit or some other behemoth threads either.

mapo returns

11-10-2003, 08:36 PM

that 12oz shirt is hot to death!!

as soon as i get my paycheck im on it...hope theres one left

geeteecee

11-10-2003, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by TEARZ
thanks, i appreciate it, and sorry to divert the thread. honestly, i know it sounds crazy, but i never looked at the original 4THW thread- i've never looked at that nightowls shit or some other behemoth threads either.

I just got your email...I'm going to go through my records and try to find your original order. I'll hit you up in a day or two...we'll get this situation sorted out asap....

Poop Man Bob

11-10-2003, 08:44 PM

Is the Joker outline/handstyle visible on the black t-shirts? I.e., is it gray on black, or is it black on black?

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Is the Joker outline/handstyle visible on the black t-shirts? I.e., is it gray on black, or is it black on black?

the handstyle on the back is a medium grey and yes, it's equally visible on black as it is on white.

personally I like the pro league shirt in white and the joker shirt on black, but it's a really touch call. both shirt colors for each shirt look real clean.

quality is top notch thru and thru. we put a lot of effort into getting them made and I'm sure once you get it in hand, you'll see that these aren't some run of the mill type t-shirts.

Poop Man Bob

11-10-2003, 08:48 PM

Excellent; thanks for the prompt response.

Ordered.

WREK

11-10-2003, 08:52 PM

what, no members only jackets?....

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Excellent; thanks for the prompt response.

Ordered.

Thanks for the support.

Keep it coming.

Misteraven

11-10-2003, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by E MARTYR
i see you didnt quote me huh...

mufucka.

someones getting awfully rude. could a banning be in order?

why cant you ask here like everyone else or better yet email [email protected] since they're the ones that handle the mailorder?

CharlesMingus

11-10-2003, 09:39 PM

These are the 12oz t-shirts, if you want to buy one - great. Personally I think they're pretty cool. Over and Out

IntangibleFame

11-10-2003, 10:55 PM

Joker won it over for me on this one...

imported_Europe

11-10-2003, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
the mods get hooked up.

You hear that? Finally we are getting paid...:D
And with no international orders, Ill be the only one on this continent sporting that Team 12oz shirt!

krie

11-10-2003, 11:52 PM

i emailed 4THW .. lets hope theyll ship international for this one!

Frate_Raper

11-10-2003, 11:54 PM

No xxl shit dude what about us big brothaz?

and can I get my name printed on the back...so next under preassure I'll get smacked in the mouth for sure?Straight team shirt.I'll pay for teases if it reads "never had it never will.....brandy one luv 99"

what about picking a random dude off the board to make designs,yes if they suck straight tell em but if it's an ok design run it.It could be funny...a frate raper jawn "pffffttttt spelling and gramaz fo suckazzzzzz" and picture of my ass crack peekin out in the yard!

imported_Tesseract

11-11-2003, 12:03 AM

These are fuckin amazing raven!
GO 12OZ GO
i'll be more than happy to spend some money on this

I have a question though:

American sizes get me confused being a euro fuck.
All my orders are between medium and large.
Small cut mediums dont fit me
Comfy cut mediums do
Comfy large's are too big
And Small Large's are dope.

How would you classify these?

Thanx.

mr.yuck

11-11-2003, 12:05 AM

^^Yo i kinda like that idea. Not the one about your ass crack but about lettin people kick down designs since you are planning on making this a monthly thing. Yes, I think its a mighty fine idea.

yoink

11-11-2003, 12:43 AM

Ordered with The quickness, yes sir....that Joker shirt is hot.

anyways I just pray that the medium fits...and yeah thanks for putting in mediums...that=the awesome.

yoink

11-11-2003, 12:57 AM

Ok what am I doing wrong? Ive tried ordering with two cards and I cant get through with either, I keep getting declined?

--this is unsettling.

Misteraven

11-11-2003, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by Tesseract
These are fuckin amazing raven!
GO 12OZ GO
i'll be more than happy to spend some money on this

I have a question though:

American sizes get me confused being a euro fuck.
All my orders are between medium and large.
Small cut mediums dont fit me
Comfy cut mediums do
Comfy large's are too big
And Small Large's are dope.

How would you classify these?

Thanx.

These are pretty much true to size, but if anything might lean towards a generous cut. If you wear medium, get a medium.

Abracadabra

11-11-2003, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by yoink
Ok what am I doing wrong? Ive tried ordering with two cards and I cant get through with either, I keep getting declined?

those letters the credit card company keep sending you are bills. you need to pay them

Abracadabra

11-11-2003, 01:35 AM

btw, can i get one that says "nightowls do it better....just ask your girlfriend" on the back?

imported_suburbian bum

11-11-2003, 01:57 AM

I think both the shirts are very cool. But i would never wear one of them just because they are like "HEY MOM I DO GRAFFITI"
What country were these made in?

imported_dowmagik

11-11-2003, 01:58 AM

jokers shirt is ill like sars but i gotta say the classic one is my fav. any thoughts about making hoodies?

yoink

11-11-2003, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by Mr. ABC
those letters the credit card company keep sending you are bills. you need to pay them
buahahahaha....haha............ha

yeah...one went through, but didnt on the site..I dunno, but according to my bank it did.

fatbastard

11-11-2003, 02:58 AM

i like those designs....alot!

but in the next month can we expect to see anything a little more conventional? a handstyle maybe....traditional graff shirts? i dont know why people bag them i love them, who cares if your advertising to the world you write...who cares?...its not something you should be ashamed of..

and also would you guys accept designs from forum users?

Misteraven

11-11-2003, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by dowmagik
jokers shirt is ill like sars but i gotta say the classic one is my fav. any thoughts about making hoodies?

Hoodies are next on the agenda.

Misteraven

11-11-2003, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by yoink
Ok what am I doing wrong? Ive tried ordering with two cards and I cant get through with either, I keep getting declined?

--this is unsettling.

the system is very picky and is set to have zero tolerance for error. This is in order to prevent fraud. therefore, the info must be entered exactly how it is at your bank.

yoink

11-11-2003, 03:06 AM

yeah I assumed something like that, well like I said one went through..at least I think, I emailed customer service over there to work that out.

edit* hoodies would rock.

ClueTwo

11-11-2003, 05:03 AM

Yeah, well I bought me a graffilthy shirt...Huhhhhuhhhhuhhhh...

[img]http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/s/k/skr8/images/hillbilly.gif'>

BROWNer

11-11-2003, 06:44 AM

that joker hand is super nice.

Misteraven

11-11-2003, 01:23 PM

I deleted a bunch of of topic crap. Quit fucking up my thread.

beardo

11-11-2003, 01:23 PM

europe-
And with no international orders, Ill be the only one on this continent sporting that Team 12oz shirt!

maybe raven should send you a handfull to dole out in them there parts...

Poop Man Bob

11-11-2003, 02:36 PM

I made two orders within 15 hours of each other - one for myself and the other for an international friend (I'm going to send the shirts to him myself once I get them).

Is it possible to combine the two orders to avoid paying double shipping charges? I know neither order has gone out yet, and, total, the two orders consist of three shirts.

I already shot an email to [email protected], but I thought I would ask in here as well.

Thanks.

****** 4THW responded. Taken care of.

imported_Europe

11-11-2003, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by beardo
maybe raven should send you a handfull to dole out in them there parts...

Haha, yeah no doubt, talk him into that for me would you? That would rock!

Harpo Marx

11-11-2003, 03:37 PM

Take money orders, dammit.

seeking

11-11-2003, 03:41 PM

while this could obviously be handled in other ways, haha, you'd think they would be happy to put together an order of stuff for bates' store. might not be the hugest profit margin for each establishment, but this is about the scene man! it aint about money!!

seeks/only half sarcastic

ps, raven, dude, i was trying to bring the beef back to the forum... i was keeping it alive! quit hating! ;) oh, and i talked to the guys kids. they feel they should be sponsored, due to their strict adherence to refraining from posting, unless it will create e-beef. i've seen it first hand. they're putting it down for sure!

IntangibleFame

11-11-2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
Quit fucking up my thread.

Don't ask me why! But this made me laugh really fucking hard.

On a topic note: Is there plans for any other artist to create a 12oz shirt? I know that Joker isnt the only person who visits here that can make a dope shirt...or is he the only person who would do it for free...

imported_Tesseract

11-11-2003, 05:14 PM

Given that some of the dopest kids are crew or tightly associated with 12oz...i expect the tshirt thing to get really wild as it grows.

IntangibleFame

11-11-2003, 05:16 PM

[img]http://www.bljesak.info/slike/ali2.jpg'>

WebsterUno

11-11-2003, 05:59 PM

awww...man.
No XXL sizes?

no love for the bigg dawgg!

:D

!@#$%

11-11-2003, 06:30 PM

i'd like to put in my order for a small black hoodie now.

:D

i also would have ordered a tshirt, even in medium, but you guys don't take my card: discover. (cash back bonus kids! :P)

i'd rather not use my visa. they love their service charges cuz it's an atm card. oh well.

Misteraven

11-11-2003, 06:52 PM

email [email protected] and see if they can help you out somehow.

Harpo Marx

11-11-2003, 08:13 PM

and still no love for money orders.

Misteraven

11-12-2003, 01:49 AM

money orders are impossible. by the time it finally came to us in th email, the stuff would be sold out half the time.

willy.wonka

11-12-2003, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by IntangibleFame
[img]http://www.bljesak.info/slike/ali2.jpg'>

why is this guy famous?is it cause he looks like an idiot and makes it look good?

Dick Quickwood

11-12-2003, 02:10 AM

look at lawrence fishbourne on the left

TuffKid

11-12-2003, 02:12 AM

damn fuckers i want one too.

seeking

11-12-2003, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by willy.wonka
why is this guy famous?is it cause he looks like an idiot and makes it look good?

go download one of his shows off kazaa or something.
dude is fucking hillarious.

seeks/a modern day santa claus

Abracadabra

11-12-2003, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by ARCEL
look at lawrence fishburne on the left

:lol: :lol: :lol: am i the only one that got this?

IntangibleFame

11-12-2003, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by seeking
go download one of his shows off kazaa or something.
dude is fucking hillarious.

seeks/a modern day santa claus

not to fuck up the thread with side talk but......True Story.

Misteraven

11-12-2003, 02:05 PM

Shirts are moving quick, get them while you can. Like I said before, it's first come first served and they will NOT be reprinted.

krie

11-12-2003, 11:08 PM

are the prices on 4THW US Dollars ?

geeteecee

11-12-2003, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by krie
are the prices on 4THW US Dollars ? yes they are...US $

krie

11-12-2003, 11:16 PM

thanks :ballcap:

Misteraven

11-13-2003, 05:18 PM

we had to shut the store down for a few hours while we upgraded our bandwidth, but we're back up for the record.

http://www.fourthehardway.com

diggity

11-14-2003, 03:18 AM

mine shipped today, gonna be straight flossing, hopefully by the weekend!:king:

Graff Jesus

11-14-2003, 09:43 AM

i demand royalties for the all star beef venue shirt.

Poop Man Bob

11-14-2003, 08:51 PM

Bling.

[img]http://www.photobucket.com/albums/1003/fatdave/12ozshirt.jpg'>

[img]http://www.photobucket.com/albums/1003/fatdave/12ozshirt2.jpg'>

[img]http://www.photobucket.com/albums/1003/fatdave/12ozshirt3.jpg'>

[img]http://www.photobucket.com/albums/1003/fatdave/12ozshirt4.jpg'>

--zeSto--

11-14-2003, 09:04 PM

PMB.... envy of the schoolyard

(also most likely to loose his lunch money)

destroya

11-14-2003, 09:15 PM

i'm built like schwarzenegger in the seventies. ditch the bullshit and make man shirts.

btw; about how large are the logos on the team shirts?

im not witty

11-14-2003, 09:18 PM

*ordered

oneeightyone

11-14-2003, 10:30 PM

Yep, just got my 12oz league shirt, along with my 30 count of german outlines, plus 2 free cd's and a rack of buisness flyers, which i will so promptly start passing out.

Gangsta.

Plus i got it next day air, now im not sure if that was a freebie as well since i ordered regular ground , but if it wasnt someone at the distribution point better start watching out, those small amounts of money rack up quite quickly.

Gangsta II.

Graff Jesus

11-14-2003, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Graff Jesus
i demand royalties for the all star beef venue shirt. Originally posted by Graff Jesus
i demand royalties for the all star beef venue shirt. Originally posted by Graff Jesus
i demand royalties for the all star beef venue shirt. Originally posted by Graff Jesus
i demand royalties for the all star beef venue shirt. Originally posted by Graff Jesus
i demand royalties for the all star beef venue shirt.

old*824

11-14-2003, 11:00 PM

hah...allstar beef venue...

off topic....

man...your sig makes me feel guilty for taking a couple years off rapping and writing to work.

its a really effective statement on graffiti though i guess. with all the swollen heads, and especially on the internet its way to easy to forget about putting in work and just talk about the good old days or whatever..which im guilty of. anyway...im realling looking forward to getting my life back into the situation where i can go and put in work and really earn my vet status for retirment.

ok. i dont feel guilty anymore. thanks graff jesus.

Misteraven

11-15-2003, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by oneeightyone
Yep, just got my 12oz league shirt, along with my 30 count of german outlines, plus 2 free cd's and a rack of buisness flyers, which i will so promptly start passing out.

Gangsta.

Plus i got it next day air, now im not sure if that was a freebie as well since i ordered regular ground , but if it wasnt someone at the distribution point better start watching out, those small amounts of money rack up quite quickly.

Gangsta II.

Like I been saying all along, fourthehardway steady laces up every order with extra goods and services.

Hopefully more of you guys who've ordered will speak up about it and help spread the word.

Thanks for the support.

old*824

11-15-2003, 12:57 AM

my parents are getting 12oz prophet t shirts for christmas.

Misteraven

11-15-2003, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by old*824
my parents are getting 12oz prophet t shirts for christmas.

Haha!

Send me a flick of them opening up their gifts and holding it up and I'll send you a free shirt of whichever design we have out at the time.

IntangibleFame

11-15-2003, 01:26 AM

maybe if I order one ill get some rusto fat caps....

Poop Man Bob

11-15-2003, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
Hopefully more of you guys who've ordered will speak up about it and help spread the word.

The two orders I've made have been chock-full of goodies - caps, postcards, CDs, stickers, etc.

Misteraven

11-15-2003, 02:30 PM

thanks.

anyone else have any experiences with www.fourthehardway.com (http://www.fourthehardway.com)?

imported_El Mamerro

11-15-2003, 03:40 PM

My Joker poster arrived with a pretty serious crease in the middle of the white, which pissed me off at first... but the service was otherwise super good and the free stuff made up for it, so I was like "Fuck it, I can dig". Can't wait for the shirt to arrive.

Vlad

11-15-2003, 03:56 PM

No international orders ;)

imported_Europe

11-15-2003, 05:50 PM

^
Fixing that would be a power-move Raven!

Poop Man Bob

11-15-2003, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by El Mamerro
My Joker poster arrived with a pretty serious crease in the middle of the white, which pissed me off at first... but the service was otherwise super good and the free stuff made up for it, so I was like "Fuck it, I can dig". Can't wait for the shirt to arrive.

The same happened with mine, but I framed it and you can't see the crease at all.

Misteraven

11-15-2003, 06:03 PM

we're doing what we can. However, we've made special exceptions plenty of times already. Not to open a can of worms, but you international people can contact Customer Service at [email protected] and they'll probably work with you to get a package delivered internationally.

Worth giving it a shot for all you guys outside the USA that have been wanting goods.

TEARZ

11-16-2003, 08:36 AM

i would just like to go on the record as saying that raven & the 4THW staff have gone out of their way to squash our old problems. i really appreciate it. i officially rescind all of my beefing comments. feel free to delete them, although they may show that you guys do a great job at resolving conflicts & have top-notch customer service. thanks again. i ordered my joker shirt today. freshski.

ClueTwo

11-16-2003, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
we're doing what we can. However, we've made special exceptions plenty of times already. Not to open a can of worms, but you international people can contact Customer Service at [email protected] and they'll probably work with you to get a package delivered internationally.

Worth giving it a shot for all you guys outside the USA that have been wanting goods.

Wow....now that's "Service with an.............Email?"

You actually have some really good tools and one of the best online shops in town..

[img]http://www.bobbygraham.co.uk/coolandcrazymusic/images/clap.gif'>

krie

11-16-2003, 11:03 AM

yerp, great service. im getting a 12iz shirt shipped int. thanks to 4THW. thanks guys http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb/icons/icon26.gif

26SidedCube

11-16-2003, 11:29 AM

I can't order because my credit card billing address is separate from my delivery address? My employer is in Michigan and I live in New York... all my credit card bills are sent to the office (obviously I work through the internet) due to my card being corporate.

Is there any way to have an order processed without my being suspected of fraud?

geeteecee

11-17-2003, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by 26SidedCube
I can't order because my credit card billing address is separate from my delivery address? My employer is in Michigan and I live in New York... all my credit card bills are sent to the office (obviously I work through the internet) due to my card being corporate.

Is there any way to have an order processed without my being suspected of fraud? Unfortunately,we can't bypass the credit card authorization system so if it doesn't accept your address then it won't go through. what you have to do is call your credit card company and list your physical address as an alternate ship to address and then the card should verify through our system. give it a shot and see if it works.

kido

11-17-2003, 07:00 PM

so you guys got somekind of cut on the 2nd day air, or did you shell out the extra bucks??? Just curious.

Misteraven

11-17-2003, 07:29 PM

Four The Hard Way ate the cost on the speedy shipping since soem of the shirts sizes came a day late from the factory.

Four The Hard Way prides themselves on shipping orders the same day they're recieved (weekdays), so they were willing to lose a little money to make sure your order got delivered the same day it would have had it been shipped right away despite the discrepancy.

krie

11-18-2003, 03:37 AM

i sent my MO on thursday or friday(13-14th) so 4THW should be getting it soon, taking a few days no doubt being an international order..

just outta curiousity, how long will it take to ship the product back to me (australia) ? couple of days ?

Misteraven

11-18-2003, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by krie
i sent my MO on thursday or friday(13-14th) so 4THW should be getting it soon, taking a few days no doubt being an international order..

just outta curiousity, how long will it take to ship the product back to me (australia) ? couple of days ?

No idea how long transit will take, but the item will go out the same day. Email [email protected] and they should be able to fill you in.

Misteraven

11-18-2003, 01:40 PM

Heads up... some colors in specific sizes are getting close to selling out. If your putting off getting one, you might want to get with it.

ClueTwo

11-18-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
Four The Hard Way ate the cost on the speedy shipping since soem of the shirts sizes came a day late from the factory.

Four The Hard Way prides themselves on shipping orders the same day they're recieved (weekdays), so they were willing to lose a little money to make sure your order got delivered the same day it would have had it been shipped right away despite the discrepancy.

You know, I run a business too, and for you to do something like that is unbelievable. The cost of shipping for some of these orders I'm sure cut into your profit big time. That's the shit right there that will guaranteee a future buy. Once again.....

FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK...
[img]http://www.cfdrodeo.com/images/salute.gif'>

Misteraven

11-18-2003, 04:40 PM

Thanks for the compliments.

I've always taken my projects very seriously, and despite some inevitable bumps in the road, I think we've done a pretty decent job all around. Hopefully, it'll only get better with time.

That said, I'll add the gratuitous statement about how ordering from www.fourthehardway.com (http://www.fourthehardway.com) helps keep projects like this message board alive. Hopefully, with things rolling again we can begin looking at a realistic date to relaunch the magazine. Not to panhandle here, but support from the community can help make the magazine, and other cool projects happen that much sooner.

kido

11-18-2003, 04:44 PM

thanks :ballcap:

geeteecee

11-18-2003, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by krie
i sent my MO on thursday or friday(13-14th) so 4THW should be getting it soon, taking a few days no doubt being an international order..

just outta curiousity, how long will it take to ship the product back to me (australia) ? couple of days ? i don't know when your mo will arrive but rest assured i'll send the package out that same day. thanks again for the continued support. like raven said, it's your support that will ultimately allow us to grow 12oz. and drop more and more projects.

nomadawhat

11-18-2003, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
Heads up... some colors in specific sizes are getting close to selling out. If your putting off getting one, you might want to get with it.

say it ain't so. damn, i was trying to wait until payday this thursday ..but looks like i may have to break out the credit card.... is xl black joker one of the one's running low? thanks.

geeteecee

11-18-2003, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by nomadawhat
say it ain't so. damn, i was trying to wait until payday this thursday ..but looks like i may have to break out the credit card.... is xl black joker one of the one's running low? thanks. honestly, all of the 12oz vs. joker are running real low. we only produced 100 of them total (meaning all sizes not 100 M, 100 L, and 100XL) so there are a handful left on the XL. remember, these will not reproduced once they are sold out!

nomadawhat

11-18-2003, 08:29 PM

^thanks for the quick reply... ordering now.

11-19-2003, 12:04 AM

[img]http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~kidblount/shirt_front.jpg'>

[img]http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~kidblount/shirt_back.jpg'>

Misteraven

11-19-2003, 02:05 PM

Like I said before, photgraphs really dont do these shirts justice. They're top notch quality throughout. We had them redone by three separate places before we sourced a company that could satisfy our demands for quality. The black shirts were a particular challenge, but in the end, the colors popped just as bright, without those thick ass lame screen prints.

Maybe a few of you that have shirts in hand can speak up about it.

Anyhow, do us both a favor and scoop one while you can.

Misteraven

11-19-2003, 02:07 PM

also, next months shirts are already in the works. I'll keep you guys posted.

11-19-2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Misteraven
Like I said before, photgraphs really dont do these shirts justice. They're top notch quality throughout.

Agreed.. the quality of the shirt I recieved is exceptional. Thanks for the free CD's, also.

imported_Europe

11-19-2003, 02:42 PM

I got my Beef shirt today and it is really top quality.
I feel old when I say: I didnt think they made a good ol' tshirt like that anymore...
But they do! Solid stuff

geeteecee

11-19-2003, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by Europe
I got my Beef shirt today and it is really top quality.
I feel old when I say: I didnt think they made a good ol' tshirt like that anymore...
But they do! Solid stuff thanks for the love...glad you got the shirt so quickly...

Poop Man Bob

11-19-2003, 05:43 PM

I'm posting this link (http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46540) in here, as I've yet to receive a response in the other forum.

yoink

11-19-2003, 05:49 PM

godamnit, that joker shirt in white looks hotastic.

I guess ill try ordering again, maybe it will work the second time.

Will you guys be basically dropping the shirts pretty much as soon as possible each new month? ....any hints as to what (or from whom) to expect?;)

Joker

11-19-2003, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by j
[img]http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~kidblount/shirt_back.jpg'>

That lower right print is bringing a tear to my eye... I love it so.

Dr. Dazzle

11-20-2003, 12:09 AM

Just curious, does the no international shipping apply to Canada?

We're the neighbours you love to love.....

Misteraven

11-20-2003, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by E MARTYR
raven id sure like to talk to you a bit on aim... (ibteaser)

about the quality and what not... business q's... not about one of mine being bad, i havent ordered...

holler at me for a second when you get the chance... ,please.

just email me what you want to know. I'm crazy swamped, so aim is mostly impossible.

Misteraven

11-20-2003, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Dr. Dazzle
Just curious, does the no international shipping apply to Canada?

We're the neighbours you love to love.....

[email protected] and I'm sure they'll help you out.

Misteraven

11-20-2003, 12:30 AM

[email protected]

~KRYLON2~

11-20-2003, 12:30 AM

you should make an official members t-shirt.....that would be sick

Misteraven

11-20-2003, 12:48 AM

how would that be any different the shirt we already did for the writers forum?

geeteecee

11-20-2003, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by Joker
That lower right print is bringing a tear to my eye... I love it so. ditto...

~KRYLON2~

11-20-2003, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by Misteraven
how would that be any different the shirt we already did for the writers forum?

?

IntangibleFame

11-20-2003, 08:38 AM

metal heads T.

I do have artists in mind.

geeteecee

11-20-2003, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by ~KRYLON2~
? what he means is that this is THE OFFICIAL 12oz. WRITERS FORUM T-SHIRT...get it?

http://www.fourthehardway.com/product_info...?products_id=92 (http://www.fourthehardway.com/product_info.php?products_id=92)

check it...

imported_Tesseract

11-20-2003, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by you enjoy myself
will enough people want them?

Only channel zero has the numerical and nerdical powers to back that up, plus...its the coolest forum name.

imported_Tesseract

11-21-2003, 02:59 AM

And please tell me that 12oz is backing us up for the upcoming cold with a hoodie for xmas...

Poop Man Bob

11-21-2003, 03:00 AM

Jesus, man! Go to bed!

~KRYLON2~

11-21-2003, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by geeteecee
what he means is that this is THE OFFICIAL 12oz. WRITERS FORUM T-SHIRT...get it?

http://www.fourthehardway.com/product_info...?products_id=92 (http://www.fourthehardway.com/product_info.php?products_id=92)

check it...

its nice but $22 come on.....gas is getting expensive

Smart

11-21-2003, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by ~KRYLON2~
its nice but $22 come on.....gas is getting expensive

That's the beauty of the whole deal, just send the money and they'll deliver the shirt to your house! You don't have to go anywhere to get it!

imported_Tesseract

11-21-2003, 03:15 AM

^^hahaha, perfect!

imported_El Mamerro

11-21-2003, 03:20 AM

I'm getting a bit worried here... I ordered mine last Tuesday or Wednesday and it still hasn't arrived. I had ordered stuff earlier and it arrived very quickly...

I think you guys should send out an e-mail confirmation with the purchase info every time an order is processed.

imported_Europe

11-21-2003, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by Tesseract
And please tell me that 12oz is backing us up for the upcoming cold with a hoodie for xmas...

Viking wear, wonk!

IntangibleFame

11-21-2003, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by you enjoy myself
i'm sure T shirts designated for specific forums could be considered. the question is, will enough people want them? who knows, but at least it's something to be considered.

I really wasnt looking at the forum itself...but more as a general idea for a 12oz t-shirt...sure itd be tied to the forum...but a shirt that says "Metal Head(s)" would be a cool idea...people wouldnt get the meaning behind it, and if done by a featured artist it could turn out pretty dope.

11-21-2003, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by El Mamerro
I think you guys should send out an e-mail confirmation with the purchase info every time an order is processed.

Misteraven

11-21-2003, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by El Mamerro
I'm getting a bit worried here... I ordered mine last Tuesday or Wednesday and it still hasn't arrived. I had ordered stuff earlier and it arrived very quickly...

I think you guys should send out an e-mail confirmation with the purchase info every time an order is processed.

An email confirmation is sent automatically. Further, you can log into you account and view the order status, as well as track the package. Try it out and if you spot an issue email customer service.

Misteraven

11-21-2003, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by E MARTYR
raven- waiting on your reply budddddddy. :beat:

a question:

your designs for the shirts, to you have them copyrighted? now i know not just anyone could copy the shirts and make their own, but you never know ya know...

so do you get them copyrighted to protect your design or do you not care or whats up?

cuz when i print mine, i dont know if i should get each idea copyrighted and protected or not...

your thoughts sir?

:D

Been swamped, I'll get to it. No you trademark the name, logo, and primary assets. Decorative usage and art is given particular rights upon creation. The only point of officially copyrighting something is to prove when it was created, as well as have the option to recieve damages in the event it's infringed upon. Otherwise a cease and desist order would be sent.

I'm about to start charging you by the hour here. Questions like these should be directed at a lawyer.

imported_El Mamerro

11-21-2003, 06:47 PM

Well, nevermind, I just got the package, about to open it.

I wasn't aware of the order tracking service, thanks for the heads up... however I haven't received e-mail confirmation on my past two orders. I'll let em know, thanks!!

LastBoyScout

11-21-2003, 10:07 PM

mine came
the shirts are made of that really soft cotton that makes you just want to go snuggle with your t-shirt.

geeteecee

11-21-2003, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by ~KRYLON2~
its nice but $22 come on.....gas is getting expensive are you serious??? you gotta be kidding me... i know you aren't implying these shirts are expensive are you?

LastBoyScout

11-21-2003, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by geeteecee
are you serious??? you gotta be kidding me... i know you aren't implying these shirts are expensive are you?

yah i was @ the new museam book store yesterday and they were selling t-shirts for $35

Joker

11-22-2003, 05:08 AM

Now I'm all curious to see who's up for next months shirts...

old*824

11-22-2003, 05:42 AM

cause im down for them. i want them to wear some cool labels but some nonviolent double meaning thought thinking type modern fashion design shit would be perfect. but you know. i dont think my folks is gonna rock body targets or beef forums and i actually want them to enjoy their presents.

word.

11-22-2003, 02:32 PM

owned

Misteraven

11-23-2003, 03:49 AM

your welcome.

S@T@N

11-23-2003, 08:04 AM

<< joker vs. 12oz

Misteraven

11-24-2003, 01:49 PM

Tried to get some better flix of teh shirts over the weekend, but my lighting situation still sucks. I guess there's enough flix between the product page and this thread to get a pretty solid idea of what they look like, though it still doesnt do the quality much of the shirts much justice.

Anyhow, check them out cause they're selling fast...

Official 12ozProphet Shirts (http://www.fourthehardway.com/default.php?cPath=41_50)

Giving Tree

11-24-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Joker
Now I'm all curious to see who's up for next months shirts...

i distinctly remember in the fashon thread where everyone was talking nike dunks and shit that you talking about white on white graphics if you had the opportunity... white shirt, white graphics.. what happened? dont get me wrong the shirt is pretty hot, but the white on white can NOT be beat..

they have legit 12oz tags in the collar.. i would LOVE a link to WHOEVER printed these for you... please hook it up.. i've been dying to find a new printer who can do collar tags like that for my line.. but no luck.. closest i found was www.merchdirect.com (http://www.merchdirect.com) but they have 100 setup fee and minimum of 200 shirts which i cant boot.. im looking to do about 100 first print

Giving Tree

11-24-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by old*824
i want to wear some cool labels but some nonviolent double meaning....

lightly edited to fit my sentiment..

the body targets were too much for me.. and spray cap heads are too much trouble on a shirt.. couldn't rock that without more v.s. bullshit or sending the wrong impression to mom's of the girlies i fuck.

imported_Europe

11-25-2003, 11:49 AM

My shirt has already become an instant classic after this weekends parties.

imported_Tesseract

11-25-2003, 01:10 PM

^^I dont believe you! I need proof!

Where are the flicks!?!?

:dazed:

Joker

11-25-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Giving Tree
i distinctly remember in the fashon thread where everyone was talking nike dunks and shit that you talking about white on white graphics if you had the opportunity... white shirt, white graphics.. what happened? dont get me wrong the shirt is pretty hot, but the white on white can NOT be beat..

This is something I still want to do but it will have to be on my dime, not 12oz's. The idea to me is great but a risky one. It's only going to attract a small range of folks so the costs in making the shirt out weigh the return. It's a matter of do I want to lose money on a design I will love...

At least I know I'll be able to sell one ;)

imported_Tesseract

11-25-2003, 01:30 PM

raises hand, TWO!

im not witty

11-25-2003, 02:32 PM

the UPS guy just walked in and handed me mine. ahhh, still got that new shirt smell.

make no mistake, this is quality you can depend on.

Giving Tree

11-25-2003, 03:18 PM

joker - yeah i'd snatch up a white on white with a SERIOUS quickness. if your looking to make it a bit quicker or want some help financing.. my company might be able to work with you... just an idea. its a design collective run by myself and one of my good friends...

anyway.. WHO'S YOUR MANUFACTURER... give me a link, give me a phone number.. i NEED to get ahold of someone who can do the custom tag work along with the print.. like i said before the groups im working with now have a KILLER overhead and the setup fee kills all profits..

please let me know.

Misteraven

11-26-2003, 01:32 PM

bump

Spike

11-26-2003, 04:47 PM

Just got mine - holy shit it's nice.

Thanks to 4THW for shipping out to me - I'll pay it back when I see how much the shippin on the Joker print is.

And... this is gonna sound like an odd question, but how well does the shirt wash? It says "cold wash", does this mean the design will wash off in a warm wash?

...hey, at least I wash my own clothes.