Legal wall (not the usual)

[Overtime]

I was trying to get a legal wall where i used to live and i just found the article online, thought i would share it with you guys, tell me what you think of the smart people

A request from several local teens for a city-sanctioned place to create "extreme art" better known as graffiti has gotten support from City Mayor Brown.

Brown believes the three youths who met with him over a month ago are serious about their art and just want a place to create it without getting in trouble.

"They said, 'We just want to do the right thing,'" Brown said. "... They take it very seriously as an art form. They're real neat kids."

The teens at first wanted a fixed public structure to create the graffiti on, but Brown came up with an alternate proposal. The city could use wooden posts and plywood to give the young artists a large "easel" for a canvas they can use for their creations, Brown said.

Brown compared the concept to the city's original idea to have a half-pipe skateboard ramp so local skateboarders could have a legal place to ride instead of causing problems in shopping centers where they weren't wanted.

"We're looking for fun and productive activities," Brown said.

The area could be located behind the police station for security purposes and there would be some regulations, including a ban on any profanities, Brown said.

Brown also promised the young artists that if their work passes muster on certain themes, he would endeavour to get the artwork displayed in an appropriate place.

"If they do one on Easter, I'll get a church to display it," Brown said. "Or if they do one on 9-11 (the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11), maybe we could put it up at a fire station."

In return, the youths promised to recruit as many others as they can to participate in an effort to help cut down on graffiti throughout the city, Brown said.

Brown said the materials to create the oversized easel would be inexpensive and the location behind the police station could be monitored with the police department's remote camera system.

[wiseguy]

my city did the opposite, they thought, "there is too much graffiti in this city, it must be because of all these legal walls, lets make all the legal walls illegal" as a result, illegal graffiti has increased phenomenally. noticably so, even to the average citizen, and over the past year the commuter train system has gotten crushed. serves those fucking idiots at city hall right.
i dont think that made any sense...

[arktic]

if its not illegal it is not graffiti.

[wiseguy]

yes it is.

[Scorn]

i bet lots of you have written on a legal wall, does that mean your not doing graffiti? or does it mean, lets do a dope doodle on this legal wall?

[Irite0n5tuff]

Originally posted by arktic
if its not illegal it is not graffiti.

[Overtime]

Originally posted by arktic
if its not illegal it is not graffiti.

yes it is, how is it not? if it isnt graffiti, what label would you apply to it?

[HAMMERFALL]

anyone who would paint a legal wall behind a cop shop is a fucking idiot to begin with. and yea, if its not illegal, its not graffiti. its just a painting on a wall you have permission do. just because youre using spraypaint to do it, doesnt make it graffiti.

[Mr. Whoppie]

thats the stupidest shit ever....painting while the cops are breathing over your shoulder, fuck that. just go bombing.....

[swiss cheese]

They're real neat kids
what a swell compliment. :D

[Nekro]

Painting at a police station would be the most surreal situation ever. It sounds like you've got a pretty smart, level headed mayor though.

[Overtime]

for the most part he was really helpful about it, after that he changed it to another spot and offered to put up a huge concrete wall for free. so it was cool

[shitmop-1$]

take out the cameras with spraypaint and paint the police station.:)

[Overtime]

Originally posted by shitmop-1$
take out the cameras with spraypaint and paint the police station.:)

they would never know it was us!

[PHYNE]

i got legals but they arent the normal legal walls..like street side style..i often ask people with huge walls near garages etc to let me rock them.well long story short,while panting and after painting youd be surprised as to how many people come by and say wow thats great how much would you charge me to do something like that and so on etc.....my 2 pennies........

[Overtime]

Originally posted by PHYNE
i got legals but they arent the normal legal walls..like street side style..i often ask people with huge walls near garages etc to let me rock them.well long story short,while panting and after painting youd be surprised as to how many people come by and say wow thats great how much would you charge me to do something like that and so on etc.....my 2 pennies........

yeah, we set up some art festival walls and people came up to us and where askin us to paint shit for em, we got one lady wanted to pay us like 175 bucks a square foot for her basement

[skrib139]

Originally posted by onesecondple
yes it is, how is it not? if it isnt graffiti, what label would you apply to it?

aerosol art.

[Scorn]

what are spray cans then?

[iloveboxcars]

Legal graffiti is graffiti and anyone who says differently is a retard. Seriously.

[Scorn]

^word

[One_in_Ten]

Originally posted by Scorn
what are spray cans then?

spary cans are: a peice of some type of metal, wrapped into a cyllinder with a top and a bottom, we call this a can. In the can companies insert paint then pump in enough air so the paint is pushed out of the can, allowing a "spray" of paint to come out. This tool has been embraced by Writers the world over.

[Irite0n5tuff]

Originally posted by iloveboxcars
Legal graffiti is graffiti and anyone who says differently is a retard. Seriously.

<-- Retard:D

[T.T Boy]

XXTREME ART

[wiseguy]

^hahaha, i fucking hate the word extreme, it is so fucking over used.

[•nakEd]

get real fame, pussies

[skillz]

ive never touched a legal wall wit a ten foot spray can

[the_gooch]

Originally posted by arktic
if its not illegal it is not graffiti.


all i have been doing lately is legals and i totally agree with you. it IS NOT graffiti if you have permission.

[phels]

painting legal walls is not graffiti, look at the definition of graffiti in a dictionary its that simple. dont kid yourselves, paint a easy illegal, its piss to get away with an your putting paint where it aint.

[KiSe]

Originally posted by onesecondple
In return, the youths promised to recruit as many others as they can to participate in an effort to help cut down on graffiti throughout the city, Brown said.


well fuck them youths, how are they going to stop graffiti?
we had our well-known skatepark built about 2 years ago, and the only reason the city even considered bulding it was so the skaters would stop destroying public property. FUCK THAT, all my friends still skate the same places they used to plus the skatepark, its going to be the same with that silly leagal wall.
an if you hit leagal walls it's technicly labbled "areosol art." But how fucking hard is it to find a big ditch, or a storage place around the city? If all your interested is piecing just go find a chill spot, or get some hip buisness owner to let you promote his store on the side of it, if that doesnt work just fuckin suck it up and go bomb

[arktic]

Like me.

Like I said, if it ain't illegal IT IS NOT GRAFFITI. Period fuck that shit, if I am bombing and getting up illegally and some ass is just hitting up free walls who has the more street credibility? It does not mean that anyone who just hits up freewalls is any less talented as an aersol artist, it just means he dosen't bomb, and if you don't bomb kiddies, you don't write graffiti. I can name a few examples of cats who just paint legals who are pretty tight and some writers who bomb and suck, but when it comes down to it, writers respect those who bomb and not those who hit up where they can't get arrested. It defeats the whole purpose of graffiti, which is to destroy and get fame.

Now shut up and go bombing, the internet is for loser too, like me.

[RackPaintYo!]

fuck willie brown

[wiseguy]

Originally posted by phels
painting legal walls is not graffiti, look at the definition of graffiti in a dictionary its that simple. dont kid yourselves, paint a easy illegal, its piss to get away with an your putting paint where it aint.

from dictionary.com

graf·fi·to __ (_P_)__Pronunciation Key__(gr-ft)
n. pl. graf·fi·ti (-t)

A drawing or inscription made on a wall or other surface, usually so as to be seen by the public. Often used in the plural.

Here is the dictionary definition, where does it say that it has to be illegal for it to be considered graffiti?

[cam]

i don't think graff is about destroying, but i do tend to agree with the "if it's legal it's aerosol art - not graffiti" sentiment.
I was having a good talk about these things with one of my lecturers at uni the other day and he said "if it's not illegal, it's not graffiti".
I reckon that's pretty ill for someone who has never been a writer to say. And he wasn't hating either, he loves it. Told me all these stories about how back in the day he and people he was associated with used to do crazy shit with art around the place. No pieces with letters, but used to bomb streets with crazy shit, but never with the sole mission to destroy property.
As you can imagine I was highly impressed.

anyway, good on you for getting a legal wall. I don't hate on the shit, cos i still respect legal writers if they've got skill. I know a lot of legal writers are older illegal writers who have been snapped and for them writing illegally isn't worth the trouble they've been through.

[PHYNE]

Originally posted by -FuckShitUp-
get real fame, pussies



already got some..............:rolleyes: dont hate..........

[swiss cheese]

People must understand that thereare numerous motivations for graffiti. It is NOt just about destrying property. Even at my "prime" some years ago I was vandalizing many walls, but to me I wasn't destroying I was gracing the streets with my beautiful handstyle (so I thought). My only crimes were graffiti and to me they weren't wrong.
Let him paint whatever and however he wants, and even if it's "legal" the roots are still in graffiti. The graffiti language wil still be there. This is a culture, a langauge that has definable attributes. It may not be pure graffiti, but it will catch the attention of those who pass by and the normal non-graffiti writing citizen will see "graffiti". They won't know right off if it's permission or not, and they may not care. The visual assualt of colors and forms will seize their attention.
As a youngster, the elaborate legal murals had just as strong of an efect on me as the illegal work. Sometimes more efect, because the artists had the oppurtunity to "go off" and use all their skills.
Graffiti goes beyond legal or illegal issues. Do you follow?

[type R]

Originally posted by onesecondple
the location behind the police station could be monitored with the police department's remote camera system.

something would bother me about that...

painting my "word" while being monitored by police cameras? no thanks.

[wiseguy]

cam, are you from Brisbane, Australia?

[cultural me]

dude, behind a pig pen? ixnay on the graffitiyay.

[Tiberiu]

Originally posted by arktic
if its not illegal it is not graffiti.

You are an idiot.

[PSE_Tcepsa]

go bomb. rock wildstyles on the freeway's, rock 5 color shots in the heavens. fuck a legal wall. dont take money for graff, dont pimp the culture, we are writers. fuck this mainstream acceptance, graffiti is their label for us, i'm a muthafuckin writer. I will crush illegal shots all day long and rock a doper burner than your "legal" shit all illegally.

one.

[wiseguy]

^to each his own, homie.:rolleyes:

[imported_dowmagik]

painting wood behind a cop shop sounds gay to me. props to the kids for doing it tho. ive thought about trying to get a legal wall in my town, but am not really looking for that kind of attention.

[Dr. Dazzle]

My city bricked up and bulldozed our legal walls.....big mistake.