INK RECIPE SUPERTHREAD

[rubbish heap]

The other ink recipe threads are dying, and nobody wants to read through 10 pages to find what they want. Therefore I decided to start a new one. This thread is intended for those who don't know much about ink to start learning. I'm giving it my best shot to answer all of your questions.

Now, lets take a primer in Ink 101.

INK VS. PAINT
There's two main things you can use as a base for your recipe: inks/dyes, or bucket paint. Ink and bucket paint do not mix with each other.

If you're into getting custom colors that no one else has, get yourself some small containers of bucket paint. Two recommended brands are Rustoleum and One-Shot. While most people have heard of Rusto and know of it for its thickness, One Shot is less well known but has a lot of nice colors and comes out super glossy or metallic. Sign painters use it for their work; it's tough shit and it contains lead, so be careful. Bucket paint is not as permanent as a lot of inks, and really does not stain too well at all, but it usually will not weather away quickly and is still slightly hard to buff. Make sure you get oil-based. You can't put paint in most markers, so it's recommended that you put it in a mop, preferably a Kiwi. If you want more drips, be sure to thin out the paint with mineral spirits. Do NOT thin with xylene if your mop is plastic, as xylene eats plastic away.

Onto the inks. If you're into shit that stains hard, love the colors black and/or violet, and want your shit to last long and sink deep into the surface, this is the shit for you. Pretty much every ink is alcohol based, as is leather dye. Marsh ink is about the most well known in the US. In my experiences, it's not that much different from Pilot ink, though a little more expensive and slightly harder to buff (but it's not going to make much of a difference). Anyways, ink looks good on a wall, flows well through the marker, and is relatively hard to buff, but usually won't stain hard or leave a ghost. Now, on to leather dye. This is the shit when it comes to nice colors, leaving a nasty stain, and being some of the hardest shit to buff. So why don't you just use leather dye as ink and leave out the Marsh/Pilot ink? Well, truth is, it looks like fucking water color paint when applied to a wall, and it doesn't flow as well. You gotta mix it with ink. Some popular brands are Griffin, which you can find at Walgreens, and Fiebing's. The hardest staining colors made by Fiebing's are violet and red. Be very careful when handling this shit - if it drips anywhere in the house, it's damn hard to clean off. Now on to brake fluid. Why do people use brake fluid in there recipes ? Brake fluid is corrossive and eats through paint and into the wall, kind of like what etch does to glass, except not as permanent. Anyways, it's good stuff. You can find it at Walgreens, also. Make sure you get DOT3 and don't add too much into your recipe.

Now, the recipes.

NUMBER ONE : HARD STAINING HOME MADE INK
Get a jar. Put in either Pilot ink or Marsh as your base, and add some Griffin, less than or equal to the amount of Pilot. Now get some Fiebing's leather dye, and add it to the batch, preferably red or purple, as they stain the hardest. Next, get some brake fluid, and give a generous amount - not too little, but definitely not too much as it will affect the flow. Mix that shit around. You can also try boiling them together and then using a thinner, as they'll thicken when heated. Personally, I've never tried heating / boiling any of my inks. If you want, you can try adding Gentian Violet or Methylene Blue (the additive[s]).

Next, put it in your marker. Let's pretend you have a Pilot, since they're the easiest to refill and one of the best markers around. Simply unscrew the top, and drop some ink in there until it's slightly overflowing above the cotton. Now, screw the top back on, open the marker and let the ink drop through the nib and land back into the jar. This will get the nib nice and juicey. You can also put this into a mop. This shit is going to stain hard and leave a ghost once its buffed, so the only way to really get rid of it is paint over it (and certain things just don't get painted over, signs for instance).

NUMBER TWO : HOME MADE KRINK
This ones for homemade Krink. Krink is a recipe made by KR from New York ; you can buy his shit off http://www.fourthehardway.com or get more info at http://www.krink.com . He charges 15 bucks ; if you want to know the exact proportions to the recipe, buy some and let the ingrediants settle over time and seperate. Anyways, this is some of the easiest shit to make yourself at home. First, get some Rusto Aluminum paint. Its nice and silver. Next get some Paint thinner. Mix it to whatever proportion you want - the more thinner, the more drippy. You can also add a little bit of brake fluid, for staining power, and aluminum dust for shines.

CHAPSTICK MARKER RECIPE
This is a recipe I typed awhile back in the Tools of the Trade thread.

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WHAT YOU WILL NEED:
- Chapstick container.
- Pilot ink, or whatever you prefer.
- A candle and matches.
- A felt chalk board eraser.
- An eyedropper (comes with Pilot ink).

1. Get the chapstick container, empty out the chapstick and clean out the container.

2. Melt some wax into it from the candle, so that the bottom is sealed and won't leak any ink.

3. Put in your ink of choice with the eyedropper. i used pilot because it's cheap and flows fine.

3. Get the felt eraser. Rip off one of the strips. cut it about 1/4. Shove that bit into the container, just make sure you can get the cap back on.

4. Finally, get the eyedropper back out and drip some ink onto the nib until it becomes juicy. After that you're ready to go. When the nib gets dry, rejuice it with the eye dropper and ink.


Any questions are welcome. I'm constantly answering them and editing the front page to contain more information.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by ARCEL
what's nero like ? sorry if i already asked you that

I can't really tell you firsthand, because I've never used any of those Euro inks (unless you consider Fiebing's euro, because that shit is mentioned in the same sentence as 'transit' and 'corio' alot). I'm sure the euroheads could tell you, but from what I've heard it's pretty stainy when you add the additive and black as hell.

[imported_dowmagik]

Feibing's is from Milwaukee, or as the native people say Milla-wokay.

[grandmaster]

Originally posted by ARCEL
what's nero like ? sorry if i already asked you that

Nero is very permanent good ink.It stains blue when buffed! its a leather dye not like marsh so its quite thin but thicker than feibens:cool:

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by sofarok
Does the brake fluid thing really work, i have tried it a few times and it just add a nasty oily tinge to whatever ink i use, doesnt seem to want mx wit the ink....

1. make sure its DOT3, the other one's don't have the corossiveness to them.

2. make sure you don't put too much in.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by why write?
i tried re-fillin a pilot by unscrewin da top and pourin stuff in it, but it doesnt seem to wanna flow out and its pissin me off cus ive tried it many times...can anyone help me wit dis problem or tell me wut im doin wrong?

you have the unscrewing the top and pouring the ink in right. what you need to do is have the marker slightly overflowing. than carefully screw it back on and turn the marker upside down, over the ink jar or a toilet or something. the ink should drip out of the tip for a little bit - once it takes like 6 seconds between each drip, screw the marker back up. the nib should be extra juicy this way, just make sure you don't store it anywhere upside down.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by 26SidedCube
You're all going to have dirty bathrooms....

(circa A Christmas Story)

hahaha.. speaking of which, if you worry about staining mom's new kitchen sink, take your grimey inks to the trashy fast food restaurant and stealthily mix / refill shit there. get the kind of bathroom that's designed only to have one person in it.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by winston
Anyone know anywhere Where I can get some additive in the uk....?

theres a whole thread on this... http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthrea...additive+in+the (http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35274&highlight=additive+in+the)

[schick1]

bassicly at first i didnt feel like sharing my ink recipe with some 12 year old who never busted a tag but im bored so i dont give a shit anymore...
the be all end all of all inks:
take any solvent based ink...
griffin
marsh t grade and rolmark
feibings..... purple is by far the best.
flowmaster.
random leather dyes
nero
corio
pilot or omega
raven oil.
mix them all together, now get a pot you can ruin and slowly boil the ink, make sure you havent added anything to the ink yet.
stop boiling it before it turns into a paste.

step 2 with your new thick mix of inks add some petroleum distilates i use kerosine, but paint thinner will be fine.
add fish oil but not to much or your ink will never dry.

step 3 add blue and purple additive(like id let you know their chemical name) you dont need that much...this is the most important part.

stir and now fill your marker and have fun........
ok some of you swear by brake fluid i personlly think from my own experience that adding it doesnt help tags leave ghosts after being buffed but thats me, so if you think that shit works add it...........
now i will not explain what anything in hear is so if you dont know too fucking bad and if you cant come up on additive too bad.
this ink is what kings use so if you dont know now you know nigga. your welcome

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by schick1
step 3 add blue and purple additive(like id let you know their chemical name)

gentian violet, methylene blue. they're pretty easy to find on the internet / mail order. http://www.sciencelab.com/ is one place..

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by king kong
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Chunghua Chinese Ink C-006
250ml, dark black, opague, excellent for Chinese / Sumi painting and calligraphy, fish printing, W/C ...

so how is it?

[Dick Quickwood]

gentian violet is an antiseptic, so you can get it at some drug stores. methylene blue is a stain they use to look at shit in microscopes, so you have to steal it from science class or get it from a sceince supply store. i found some methlyne blue in science class once, and it didn't seem to do shit.
oh yeah, potassium permanganate is used in fish ponds to disinfect.

brake fluid dosen't seem to do shit either, but i put a couple drops in my marker anyway.

[WorldBench]

never use omega ink

ahahahahah it's the shittiest ever

[why write?]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
gentian violet, methylene blue. like any kids in the US are going to find this shit anyway without getting it off the internet or mail order (that is based in europe).


i got that methlyene blue in my science class, used dat shit today.....

[rubbish heap]

upon further investigation... i called walgreens and asked if they carried gentian violet. the guy working there had no idea what i was talking about, so he forwarded me to the manager, who was dumbfounded and forwarded me to the pharmacist. turns out you can get that shit special order, over the counter in a small bottle for 10 dollars. i think i just may try it... :crazy:

[AMAZYN]

i just bought a pilot jumbo n' can't figure out how to take the top off. i tried to unscrew the the "nib" section after i took off the top but it wouldn't budge

[Dick Quickwood]

Originally posted by AMAZYN
i just bought a pilot jumbo n' can't figure out how to take the top off. i tried to unscrew the the "nib" section after i took off the top but it wouldn't budge

the plastic part unscrews, i forgot which way, but put a rubber band around it for a better grip

[Marks-a-lot]

pilots unscrew the other way than normal, try twisting it like your closing a coke bottle, and if you look it says it on the fucking marker right under the cap!

[NA$H...26]

computer toner with alchahol. pretty dirty
or soak a stack of carbon paper in 100% alchahol thicken with cigarette ash

[ODS-1]

Just so you know the ink in the aerosol art markers suck dick. It's all thin. Refill it with your own ink.

[WRECKONIZE]

thats because they are paint markers dumbass

[toxikbeast]

good idea with tha computer toner,
can you buy the ink by itsself anywhere, or doo you have to crack open an ink cartrage?

[parcheesey]

add bleach to white mops.

[wa5te_pHk]

i tried using bleach in a white mop (i think i was using kilz2 paint) and it didnt work at all.

[chumbawumba]

Maybe someone can help me on this. I had a pilot supercolor marker and i used it all up. I had nothing else and I really needed a marker to go out with my friends one night. All I had was some griffin. So I unscrewed the top and poured some griffin in. The cotton soaked it all up so I poured a little more in. I repeated this process until I noticed I had almost poured half the bottle of griffin into the marker. I figured it was time to stop and try it out. I turned it upside down and held it like that for a minute or two to start it off with a nice juicy tip to test on my wall. Then I turned it upright again. I opened the top and BLAM. The shit is dripping from the tip like a fucking ocean is packed inside it. This stains my beatiful linoleum flooring and makes mom real mad. Im really interested in why this happened? I always hear how pilots are the easiest marker to modify and shit. Everytime I open the marker it starts dripping like a motherfucker. I would really like to use this marker because it could be dope as fuck if one of you can tell me how to fix this. Thanks in advance.

Chumbawumba.

EDIT:

Hey, also as you can see from my upper post that I'm not very educated with homemade markers and such... and I dont mean to be a bother to those who get pissed of by constant threads made about this matter but I'm just asking here so I can personally be assisted with it instead of making a whole new thread for it. How do I get the nib on? Do I super glue it? Do I just keep stuffing it until it stays in place? Once again I dont mean to be a bother but I would really appreciate someone politely answering this instead of busting my balls and calling me a toy. So huge props to whoever can do this for a brotha. Thanks again in advance.

Chumbawumba

[rubbish heap]

aight chumba heres the deal: after you refill a pilot with anything, and get it juicy, you need to hold it upside down over your ink container so the ink drips off the nib into the container. do this until the drips come down about every 7 seconds, and your pilot will be super juiced (and you'll save some ink).

[rubbish heap]

and for getting a nib on a homemade marker, cut the nib a little big and than jam it in and it should stay, works fine for me.

[chumbawumba]

Thanks alot man my pilot is working wonders now. Thanks for the nib help, too. I haven't tried it yet but I'm sure it'll work. I appreciate you helping me without bitching to me like alot of other writers here do. So thanks alot.

Chumbawumba.

[ODS-1]

griffin sucks balls for markers. It's good for a few bold tags but then the ink starts to get thin. Never put shoe polish in a marker.

[destroya]

rather than a recipe for making ink, i want to know about the recipe of ones already made. what i need to know is what inks do and don't contain xylene, or any other strong smelling chemicals. truth is, i catch alot of tags with joe public in close proximity, and the pungent stench of death eminating from the xylene in say, a magnum really doesn't help my stance of being incognito. plus, i'm kinda fond of my remaining brain cells. to make it easier, here's a list of some inks:

Marsh -
OTR H2B -
Montana -
Corio -
Nero -
Aerosol Art Bombing -
Pilot -
City-Wide -
Garvey -

thanks.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by destroya

Marsh - similar to pilot, don't think it contains xylene. check the label on the tin.
OTR H2B - no idea.
Montana - heard its not worth fooling around with because its the same as zig and therefore waterbased and easy to buff - but no xylene.
Corio - comes in plastic container, see statement below.
Nero - see corio.
Aerosol Art Bombing - see montana.
Pilot - alcohol based, don't think it has xylene.
City-Wide - probably alcohol based.
Garvey - heard it's a mixture of dye and ink, and it comes in a plastic container so see statement below.

thanks.

here's a big hint: you can't put xylene based inks in plastic containers, because it eats plastic. therefore, whatever is in a plastic marker is not xylene based (so griffin for instance contains no xylene).

also, it may not be the scent of xylene that is so distinguishable...

to my best knowledge, the main pens that contain xylene are paint pens, like a krylon pen or uni-paint.

[destroya]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
here's a big hint: you can't put xylene based inks in plastic containers, because it eats plastic. therefore, whatever is in a plastic marker is not xylene based (so griffin for instance contains no xylene).

also, it may not be the scent of xylene that is so distinguishable...

to my best knowledge, the main pens that contain xylene are paint pens, like a krylon pen or uni-paint.

i kind of figured there would be an issue montana and aerosol art. i knew that montana paint is waterbased, but what i'm talking about is the ink. (http://www.bombingscience.com/catalog.htm?category=Inks) same for aerosol art. (http://urbandesignz.safeshopper.com/2/181.htm?740)

[rubbish heap]

going by the previous theory that they wouldn't put a xylene in a plastic container because it eats plastic... i'm going to have to say montana for sure doesn't have xyl, and theres a small chance the aerosol art does.

[rubbish heap]

yeah just a heads up, i'm almost completely positive the only type of ink with xylene is paint / paint pens / silver ink / krink, and everything else is either water or alcohol based, therefore it doesn't contain xylene (but can still smell, although mildly).

i've heard about candy ink, where it stains hardcore and smells like candy, that they use on transit in SF. no idea on how to make it, and no ones giving the recipe :crazy:

[KestrelSupa]

Yeah Candy Ink!

I used to use it for Insides.... I havent got a clue wether the way I did it was the same as the Yanks and I never met anyone else who botherd but........

All I uded to do was get some food flavourings or "essences" e.g. banana flavoring or Vanilla essence, and just mix a bit in with my ink....its all like 80p a bottle so I used to sport a different flavour each few days.... my fave was Rum flavouring>but I think that just made people more aware.

well thats how I did it. just make sure you dont add to much otherwise it will start to diloute your stain and you dont want that.

ohh and whilst Im posting.... I may aswell just give my recipea.

Inferno 40%
pink Corio 50%
dash of Red Fiebins 10%
gentian Purple cristals> just a few...
then 2 grams of Methylene Blue Powder....

then put the lot in your marker with a mixing ball..... Works for me.....

if you cant get shit where you are just try Mixing Punch Leather dye with teak wood stain, and sticking in a Kiwi< a bumpkin classic from the early 90's:crazy:

[KestrelSupa]

Fuck knows sunny, I wasent a bumpkin back then....ermm I presume stain for teak wood....but any kind of wood stain will have a similar effect.... I once used blue multi pyrpose wood stain and a bit of inferno when I had nuthin else and wood stain was all I managed to rack, it worked ok so I presume all wood dyes are the same/have the same or similar affect.

[KestrelSupa]

Gentain Violet.... this is an additive which will make your ink slightly thicker, and depebding on what ink it is mixed with> also add a tint. It will also leave a stain/ghosting when buffed, or if mixed with the correct amounts of other ingredients help ensure an unbuffable stain.

[kin0nerMDK]

I GUESS THERES MORE THAN ONE FORM OF THE VIOLET STUFF, I GOT THE LIQUID FORM, I HAVE PILOT INK AND MARSH INK, WHICH WOULD IT LEAVE A GHOST BEST WITH?? AND ANY HELP WITH WHAT I CAN ADD WITH THE VIOLET O HELP LEAVE A BETTER STAIN??? THANKS PEACE

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by kin0nerMDK
I GUESS THERES MORE THAN ONE FORM OF THE VIOLET STUFF, I GOT THE LIQUID FORM, I HAVE PILOT INK AND MARSH INK, WHICH WOULD IT LEAVE A GHOST BEST WITH?? AND ANY HELP WITH WHAT I CAN ADD WITH THE VIOLET O HELP LEAVE A BETTER STAIN??? THANKS PEACE

those inks are so similar, but marsh is *slightly* stronger. mix some leather dye into it along with your gentian violet and its definitely going to help the stain/

[iwaz_here594]

Originally posted by rubbish heap

INK RECIPE NUMBER TWO

This ones for homemade Krink. This is some of the easiest shit to make. First, get some Rusto Aluminum paint. Its nice and silver. Next get some Paint thinner. Mix it to whatever proportion you want - the more thinner, the more drippy. You can also add a little bit of brake fluid, for staining power.

Another quality brand of bucket paint for mops is ONE SHOT. It's ultra glossy, lead based, and used to paint signs on the street.

Any questions are welcome.


.......... wouldnt the pressure in the paint make the marker bust when you add rusto paint in it????

[Rukas]

Adding mercurochrome to the ink helps it to stain more and adds a nice red hue to it, especially the drips.

[iwaz_here594]

.....yo, i racked a few Freehand markers 0.6"... damn, the paint that comes with them suck!!!!!
anyone ever used those? are those good to refill? if so what recipie shoud i use with it..

[HOVIE]

can anyone tell me if "rain-ex" is good.........aparently its some thing that you put on car windows to make them kind of waterproof....and someone told me that its kinda good to mix........but hes only been writin for a few weeks so im not sure..........anyone tell me any info???

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by iwaz_here594
.....yo, i racked a few Freehand markers 0.6"... damn, the paint that comes with them suck!!!!!
anyone ever used those? are those good to refill? if so what recipie shoud i use with it..

sounds like they're waterbased, just like a zig. in that case, throw out the one you have and get a new one, don't let the ink get into the nib and drain out all liquid, and than refill with an alcohol based ink and mix it with leather dye. i've had a decent experience with using solely griffin, but i'd recommend mixing in ink as well such as pilot to help the flow.

either way, it won't flow as well as the original waterbased (weak) paint, but it'll be more permanent.

Originally posted by TFSworldwide
the kid that started this thread shouldnt even write
"whats a roller" ; "latex or oil" ; "does it dry fast"

THE DEFENSE RESTS

what the fuck are you talking about? I started this thread. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by iwaz_here594
.......... wouldnt the pressure in the paint make the marker bust when you add rusto paint in it????

sorry i didn't make this clear earlier, but i meant to say use rusto BUCKET paint, not the stuff that comes out of a spray can.

Originally posted by HOVIE
can anyone tell me if "rain-ex" is good.........aparently its some thing that you put on car windows to make them kind of waterproof....and someone told me that its kinda good to mix........but hes only been writin for a few weeks so im not sure..........anyone tell me any info???

i don't know about the quality of rain ex or whatnot, but if i were you i would not be trusting some kid who's only been writing for a couple weeks as to whats good or not.. shit.

edit: after doing a little research into it, i discovered what it actually is... fluid that helps to keep things lubricated so that when rain lands on a windshield, it seeps right off. and than i found it how to buff it - a 50/50 combination of denatured alcohol and water. eh, sounds legit. mixing silicone into your ink would probably be better, though.

edit 4-5-04: doing a little house cleaning to condense this thread a little.

[HOVIE]

thanks a lot rubbish heap......one more question i have which should be in the mops thread but ill just save it to 1 post......i made a glue stick mop using a strip of board wiper.....and before i went out to use it, i just filled the glue stick with water to see if it would drip, and it drips a little bit between the twisty bit and the actual glue bit.......any help on how i could solve this??....i tried tape..and taping tissues to it but it doesnt really work:confused:

thanks again...

[caL]

yea put wax or super glue on that twisty thing so its waterproof

[Kryl0n]

QUESTION- i have a very promising mop vessel but have a dilemma with regards to filling; i dont have chrome bucket paint and dont wanna have to bother "obtaining" some, i do however have a loada chrome spray. would it be ok to just spray out all the chrome spraypaint, leave the propellant to vapourize, and then put THAT in a mop???
any help appreciated?:rolleyes:

[parcheesey]

this is what i was told to do and i did. spray it in a cup or whatever and add a marble or something to swish it around with. let it sit for a few days and mix the marble around every so often. then put it in ur mop. the problem is that its really thin so i just threw mine away, or u could mix it with something.

[kin0nerMDK]

I HAVE SME SHIT CALLED "DERMOPRADA*" IT IS IN SPANISH SO ITS PROBABLY SOMETHING ELSE, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS IN ENGLISH? I PUT A DOT OF IT ON MY DOOR, THEN LET IT DRY ADN TRIED CLEANING IT OFF, ADN NOT EVEN GOOF-OFF TOOK IT OFF, SO I THINK ITS PRETTY STRONG, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HIS IS, IT ALSO SAYS THIS "ACIDO ACETICO CLOROFORMO YODO"

THANKS PEACE

[imported_b0b]

I'm from England, where it is nearly impossible to get Marsh ink, so I have no one else to ask this to:

I got me a big tub of Marsh ink and have been trying it out but I am finding it too thick to flow easily. I've tried diluting it with ordianry ink but not with much success. So far I've put it in a posca and also the MArsh 88 pen (the long one that looks like a big bolt) but neither have really been satisfactory. How can I get it flowing nicely? Does it only work well in a mop? (in which case I'm buggered as I hate mops as they aren't really siutable for what I hit).

[Zack Morris]

I always like to fill brandnew wood crafts with marsh. That marker will hold anything you want to put in it.

<3,
Zack Morris

[!@#$%]

good thining agents:

toluene
xylene
generic paint thinner

not sure how easy it is to get this stuff in england; if you can't find it, some [expensive] thinner usually used for thinning oil paint will work (like linseed oil)

and yes, Marsh in a mop is killer. try that too.

[chumbawumba]

Hey. I went to AltaVista's Babel Fish Translator and typed in "ACIDO ACETICO CLOROFORMO YODO" in the Spanish-English translator and "Acido" and Acetico" came in the same Spanish words, but "Cloroformo" means Chloroform, and "Yodo" means Iodine. "DERMOPRADA" must be a Spanish brand, because it comes up the same. I tried.

Chumbawumba.

[iwaz_here594]

YO... ANYONE EVER USE INDIA INK... IS IT GOOD IN MARKERS??
WHAT CAN I MIX IT WITH?? ANY HELP NEEDED.... THANKS
PEACE

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by iwaz_here594
YO... ANYONE EVER USE INDIA INK... IS IT GOOD IN MARKERS??
WHAT CAN I MIX IT WITH?? ANY HELP NEEDED.... THANKS
PEACE

india ink is waterbased garbage. let's just put it this way, the only thing its permanent on is paper.

[fuck muni]

i think marsh ink is hyped up....it doesnt even stain hard....and they dont work well in woodcrafts cus it sometimes will solify and crust up, or it wont flow through the tip wel

my advice....put the marsh in a mop and save your woodcrafts for the feibings

i just make myself "imitation marsh"...just take some glossy black rusto enamel, mix with some paint thinner....and you got something just as good!

[shitmop-1$]

it all depends on the grade of marsh that you have. I believe the k-grade marsh is the thick stencil ink and works best in a mop. but the t-grade is a marker like ink which goes into the marsh 88 pens, and is ment to flow with markers and shit.

i might have the grades mixed up, but one dries up like glossy ink, and the other more like a flat oily black.

[JohnnyBench]

T grade is the best and most permanent marsh ink to use. do not use pigmented! it is too thick for most markers and can take too long to dry. it is best to use tgrade dye type. that is what is inside the marsh 88hf upgrade of the marsh 88. dye type is better because it drys faster and is thinner. they are both the same in being permannent. just make sure you are using dye not pigmented. you probably are using eithre not tgrade or you are using pigmented.

[JohnnyBench]

one more thing never use paint thinner or try thinning marsh. also k grade is not even close to as permanent as t grade. another ink to try is pilot or sanford stamp ink.

[solidus]

K grade marsh is shit....its all gasoline...and doesn't stain very well either....does n e body kno how 2 make the tgrade ink n e thicker?

[destroya]

does marsh contain xylene or any other chemical that smells like agony?

[destroya]

Originally posted by destroya
does marsh contain xylene or any other chemical that smells like agony?

to answer my own question, yes, marsh does contain xylene, and will make anyone who walks past your tag for the next ten minutes will die from the fumes.

[earo 35]

sup yall
im new. anybody know how to make the ink out of carbon paper and alcohol. sorry if somone asked this before but as i said im new. i have a shit load of carbon paper but dont know how to make the ink for my homemade marker. ive heard that you make it by chemically dissolving the carbon paper and shit like that but i dont know the exact process.thanks

[rubbish heap]

earo, have you tried mixing the two together? if you have and it did not work, than i really don't know. the carbon paper / alcohol recipe is pretty oldschool and not really prevelent today.

[earo 35]

godamn, sorry but im just askin a question. I mixed it before and it didnt work as well as i thought n i thought i was makin it wrong cause ive never made it. i need a recipe that is completely homemade (what i mean is that all of the ingredients must be around the house, i cant go out n buy n e thing cause im poor) any suggustions?

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by earo 35
godamn, sorry but im just askin a question. I mixed it before and it didnt work as well as i thought n i thought i was makin it wrong cause ive never made it. i need a recipe that is completely homemade (what i mean is that all of the ingredients must be around the house, i cant go out n buy n e thing cause im poor) any suggustions?

1) whats up with the first sentence, no ones yelling at you. :idea:

2) as for the recipe, if you're like alot of people and have paint lying around the house or the garage, try mixing it with paint thinner/mineral spirits, turpentine, or lacquer thinner. hopefully you have atleast one of these somewhere. put that shit in a mop.

3) if you have shoe products around the house, you could see if you have any leather dye and use that as ink. chances are, it'll stain hard.

4) it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, you can still rack things. if you're too poor to buy anything and too scarred to rack, you might as well get out of graff.

5) if there's nothing good around the house to make ink out of, just use the stock ink in a marker. pilots are great.

[earo 35]

thanks for the recipe and as for the last comment, i already have a really big criminal record and i cant take that many risks as i could before. as soon as i walk in a store most of the workers there recognize me and watch my every move so i cant really do that much. anyways im thinkin of movin to some other city nearby. thanks again.

by the way, you know where i might be able to get a pilot? ive been everywhere and i cant find them anywhere. my friend has one and he doesnt know where to get it either because somone gave it to him. he said he once saw them in home depot but i havent really gotten the time to look. please answer.

[rubbish heap]

never seen one in home depot. in my area they're all around, try art stores, office stores, maybe small hardware/paint stores.

if you cant find one, other common pens are uni paints and meanstreaks, you should be able to find those at office stores.

[AevOne718]

Okay, I am going to settle this carbon ink shit. I've done it. It works. It works very well, and stains very hard.

But... you need the right kind of carbon paper. It has to be PURPLE. Not black. PURPLE. The ink comes out this sick purple, but I recommend this:

CARBON INK
70-90% Isopryl Alcohol w/ torn up pieces of carbon paper in a jar, allowed to sit for a week, then liquid is poured off into w/e.
(A WARNING: THIS INK EVAPORATES REALLY FAST. ALWAYS KEEP IT CLOSED... IV'E LOST WHOLE BATCHES BEFORE IN LESS THAN A MINUTE)


Anyways, Mix these:

Carbon Paper Ink - Stains bluish, the additive
Alcohol based ink (Pilot, Montana ink, etc) - Permanent, the base
Leather Dye (Griffin Black, Kiwi Leather Dye)- stains dark- additive
A bit of Break Fluid (DOT 3 only)- Stains yellowish/brownish, corrosive..

I think this would work in most markers, especially in eraser nibbed, or socks.

[fuck muni]

COMBINE DOT 3 BRAKE FLUID WITH YOUR GRIFFIN, CORIO, FEIBINGS, OR CANDY INK TO GET A SICK STAIN ON TRANSIT....THE FUCKING BRAKE FLUID EATS INTO THE PLASTIC AND LETS THE STAINER INKS GET EVEN DEEPER INTO PLASTIC....I GOT A FEW HALF BUFFED SHOTS RUNNING CUS THEY GIVE UP AFTER A FEW FUTILE ATTEMPS AT CLEANING MY SHIT

[wwvdd]

Originally posted by fuck muni
COMBINE DOT 3 BRAKE FLUID WITH YOUR GRIFFIN, CORIO, FEIBINGS, OR CANDY INK TO GET A SICK STAIN ON TRANSIT....THE FUCKING BRAKE FLUID EATS INTO THE PLASTIC AND LETS THE STAINER INKS GET EVEN DEEPER INTO PLASTIC....I GOT A FEW HALF BUFFED SHOTS RUNNING CUS THEY GIVE UP AFTER A FEW FUTILE ATTEMPS AT CLEANING MY SHIT
would that mix with marsh?

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by wwvdd
would that mix with marsh?

brake fluid? yeah.

by the way, nice recipes, muni and aev.

[fuck muni]

Originally posted by wwvdd
would that mix with marsh?
yea it would...carry around a towel with your marker tho cus the brake fluid will eat through the plastic and sometimes leak...tape that shit up good

[Ira Sanky]

so wait, if i add brake fluid to a recipe and put it in a kiwi mop, is it just going to melt the plastic and the sponge? Also, does anyone have a good way to make the little sponge heads on kiwis last longer? or have a good substitute besides chalkboard eraser cause i always either have to use a bunch of glue and end up clogging the flow, or that bitch falls off "mid-tag" and i get to walk home looking i got in a fight with a giant squid.

[Ira Sanky]

ok heres my secret weapon:
any 3 high quality inks, (marsh, griff, pilot, i like city wide)
leather dye, (dark red is nice)
Pearl Ex, (this is the flashy part of the mix)
acetone, (or any thinner)

ok, take your inks, mix em up in a pot you don't care about and put over low-med heat. stir until it gets just a little thick, stop & remove from heat. now your 3 inks have formed one "super ink", but your not nearly done. now mix in your leather dye and stir. if your mixture is still to thick, thin it up with some acetone, the thinner the drippier, (obviously). now take your Pearl Ex, (this can be found in most to all arts and crafts stores. its used to add sparkle to paint or really anything. the particles are about 10 microns which is plenty small enough to flow through any marker nib. it comes an a variety of colors and is about 5 bucks a jar. ), and dump in a bunch and stir. the more of it you add the more sparkle your tags will have, it will also tint your ink a little depending on the color. if you put in a lot and your stuff gets thick again, use more thinner.it makes buffing quite a pain in the ass and makes your handstyles sparkle like hell. i love it. oh, by the way, if anyone is interested, you can obtain methelyne blue at most pet stores, its used commenly in fish tanks.:D :D

[earo 35]

the same thing happened to me the other day. i was taggin and i got up on one of the urinals( because the only wall is really high, every thing else is tile) the the glue came off and it spilled all over the urinals and the floor and the my shoes(i got new ones) then i went to school today and the whole thing is still there (you can see bleach marks from the custodian tryin to buff it) i hate the custudian the worst part is that hes cheap. the other day i bombed a wall and he didnt have any other color primer other than a dark gray...THE FUCKEN WALL IS WHITE! thats not the only problem i have, its also hard to find the erasers, i cant take them from teachers cause now all the teachers use the expo styrofome (i cant spell) erasers. any suggustions dont hesitate

[wwvdd]

Originally posted by fuck muni
yea it would...carry around a towel with your marker tho cus the brake fluid will eat through the plastic and sometimes leak...tape that shit up good
could it eat up an ultra?

[1HalfOfMe]

what im looking for arnt the inks, just the markers. i dont wanna use any old mops for my ink recipe so i was hoping people would know where i could get just the mop. an industrian site that sells just empty comtainers. maybe im just dreaming. what do other people use for their mops.

and another question, does anyone use round tipped nibs, besides shoe plolish bullshit?

[wwvdd]

does anyone know the recipe for candy?

[shitmop-1$]

CANDY ISN'T SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST MAKE AT HOME. what the fuck.

plus a good majority of the people on this thread would not know about candy if they are not from sf. candy is shity on every thing. but it works for one thing, staining panels.

[wwvdd]

Originally posted by shitmop-1$
CANDY ISN'T SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST MAKE AT HOME. what the fuck.

plus a good majority of the people on this thread would not know about candy if they are not from sf. candy is shity on every thing. but it works for one thing, staining panels.
could u tell me were to get candy at

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by earo 35
the same thing happened to me the other day. i was taggin and i got up on one of the urinals( because the only wall is really high, every thing else is tile) the the glue came off and it spilled all over the urinals and the floor and the my shoes(i got new ones) then i went to school today and the whole thing is still there (you can see bleach marks from the custodian tryin to buff it) i hate the custudian the worst part is that hes cheap. the other day i bombed a wall and he didnt have any other color primer other than a dark gray...THE FUCKEN WALL IS WHITE! thats not the only problem i have, its also hard to find the erasers, i cant take them from teachers cause now all the teachers use the expo styrofome (i cant spell) erasers. any suggustions dont hesitate

judging from your posts, the only thing you've been writing on is schools... :nope:

[fuck muni]

Originally posted by wwvdd
could u tell me were to get candy at
its a secret....but i can tell you if your mom gives me a blowjob

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by fuck muni
its a secret....but i can tell you if your mom gives me a blowjob

a fucking well kept one at that.

the only things i know about it is that it smells like candy (passengers don't object to the fumes of sweet candy...), it kills the insides of transit, and it's an SF specialty...

around here where i'm at, no one does stickers or mop shit on the transit, it's strictly scribes.

[earo 35]

judging from your posts, the only thing you've been writing on is schools...

schools isnt the only thing i write on, i used to write in my city, but as i said before, i have a lot of problems with the authorities, and i dont get out much from my house. school is the only place i can write in peace.

[shitmop-1$]

you sound like a sixth grader.

[TeezerPHM]

i heard you can get methylane blue at a pet store and gentian violet in a store like a pharmacy....if so where would these things be located??

[wwvdd]

Originally posted by fuck muni
yea it would...carry around a towel with your marker tho cus the brake fluid will eat through the plastic and sometimes leak...tape that shit up good
could brake fluid melt throught a pilot?

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by TeezerPHM
i heard you can get methylane blue at a pet store and gentian violet in a store like a pharmacy....if so where would these things be located??

You can find them violet much easier at a science supply store. Most pharmacies carry liquid gentian violet, which is much weaker than the powder.

And as for the allegations that brake fluid melts plastic, I find that very doubtful. Brake fluid COMES in a plastic container, why would it be manufactured in something that would melt ?

As far as personal experience goes, I've put DOT3 Brake Fluid into my mop recipes a couple times and never had a problem.

[wwvdd]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
Wow, made it to page four already.

Aight, here's the deal. You can get Gentian Violet at Walgreens. You have to special order it and pay upfront - I think it's like 6 bucks for some. They don't actually carry it inside the store.

And as for the allegations that brake fluid melts plastic, I find that very doubtful. Brake fluid COMES in a plastic container, why would it be manufactured in something that would melt ?

As far as personal experience goes, I've put DOT3 Brake Fluid into my mop recipes a couple times and never had a problem.
thanks

[AevOne718]

I think methylane blue is that blue crystal stuff. I bet that there are a few staining chemicals you can screw around with in your lab class

[rubbish heap]

You're right, there are.

Too bad I dont have a chemist class..

[earo 35]

you sound like a sixth grader.
in 6th grade i was learning to tag. im in 8th grade, but ive been held back.

[monkeywrench]

Any One Know the exact proportions of Gentian Violet and methylane blue when addinging it tome some nero.

Or does it ever matter.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by wwvdd
can anyone post a real recipe to make etch

There is no real recipe. If you want etch, buy it. It would be way to dangerous to make , and wouldn't even be worth it.

[HOVIE]

rubbish heap, i heard that its illegal to bring etch from america to england....is this true cos im going there dor holiday and would like to bring some back:confused:

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by HOVIE
rubbish heap, i heard that its illegal to bring etch from america to england....is this true cos im going there dor holiday and would like to bring some back:confused:

i doubt they'd let you bring it with you on a plane (although i don't know if they'd find it - it comes in a plastic container) because it's a hazardous material, but you could try shipping it back to the uk or put it on your non-carry on bag.

[HOVIE]

ok thanks......i have one more question.....i guess it belongs in the ink thread.....i spilt a mix of:

corio
inferno
potassium permagrante
break fluid
inferno additive

on my bed covers and i dont know how to get to get it off....i used this little stain remover thing but it just smudged it.......any help would be appreciated

[rubbish heap]

you may not be able to remove it. that's some hardcore shit you used to stain, it's hard enough to buff it off walls, and cotton absorbs shit.

[fuck muni]

yea taht shits not coming out dude....i would stick the sheets in a bucket of bleach

[HOVIE]

well my mum found the sheets and didnt really care....a little bit mad but hey...thanks anyway

[TeezerPHM]

what would happen if red marsh was to be mixed with silver bucket paint?? would it even work or would it not mix? well i kinda want to know what people experiences are with mixing marsh with regular bucket paint and what the outcome was.

[rubbish heap]

i don't think it'd work - bucket paint is oil base. marsh is alcohol to the best of my knowledge.

in other words, you cant mix paint with ink.

[Grimace]

i've tried that before with black marsh and all that happened was the tag faded hella quick so its a waste of supplies for sure

[TeezerPHM]

good looks i was thinking that that shit would be wack so ill just make some nice silver ish.

[rubbish heap]

yes... my thread finally got the sticky :smiles:

[HOVIE]

one time i put a little bit of silver paint in my mix to see how it came out.....bad mistake.....the paint stuck to the pump, barrel and everythin....the ink came out shit.....took me a long time to clean it all up and get it workin.....and i have a question...how hard is it to buff etch??....ive seen the same bombs many times but wondered how many times they would have to buff it before its completley off??

thanks

[DEAK MAS]

etch is perm.

it is acid that eats into the glass itself.

shit is taboo though.

[DEAK MAS]

i been adding a little bit of aluminum dust (radiator sealent) and it seems to make the shit more shiny.

[imported_b0b]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
yes... my thread finally got the sticky :smiles:

Keep the thread going strong, but no talk of etch as it brings heat on the site.

Also expect every newcomer who wants to know something to be directed here.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by b0b
Keep the thread going strong, but no talk of etch as it brings heat on the site.

Also expect every newcomer who wants to know something to be directed here.

yeah def... please don't talk about etch in here.

anyone with a legit question is welcome.

[fuck muni]

YO ANYONE KNOW ABOUT LINCOLN LEATHER DYE IS IT BETTER THAN GRIFFINS?

[AevOne718]

" DEAK MAS
i been adding a little bit of aluminum dust (radiator sealent) and it seems to make the shit more shiny. "

whered you get that shit broham?

also, i found that methylane blue... does it need to be mixed with genetian violet to be a additive or is it a and/or situation with those two?

[Overtime]

just got motivated to make some markers again, thanks

[Dick Quickwood]

Originally posted by BRICKTOP
...after my first can of marsh was done i just cant seem to find this shit no where.... what the f*ck!!!!!!!!

www.bombingscience.com (http://www.bombingscience.com)

[gfreshsushi]

if you don't want to order it online, you can email marsh and they will call you and you can get a distributor in your area. hella heads around me were traveling way too far to get it through a shady hookup, and i just emailed the company and got a hook ten minutes from my house. it's manufactured by rolmark.

wait, the fucking phone number is on my can.

(618) 343-1006. it's in illinois, so i don't know for you foreign heads.

wait, swiss phone number is on the can, too.

0041 22 774 28 69. i don't know what that means, if you can get it from them or get a hookup in england, good luck.

[Fabo 2]

Originally posted by HOVIE
you know the panels that go vertically down by the windows....

there called doors.
krink probably won't stain very well, but I've never tried so I dunno.

[WH@T]

damn, I've got bad experiences messin with methylene blue...

:o :o

freakin... I took both liquid and powder methylene blue from my chem class... and I was mixin them together @ home...

I swear be careful with that shit guys...
and always remember to wear ur gloves too!
that shit stains like a mutherfucker...

pardon my language...
but yeah... as I was saying...
hmm... OH YEAH! stained like a mutherfucker...
took an hour to wash off...

that powder MB is crazy... all u need is like... a few grains of that stuff.. mix it in water... and it is already hella blue...
I got sum on my hands... tried to wash it off... and BLUE I BECAME!
it was like magic... the more water I used to try to wash it off... the bluer my hands became...

sorry for wasting everyones time... I'm bored... its before class...

just remember ~GLOVES EVERYONE!

:D :D

[rubbish heap]

^^^ your post is appreciated, wh@t. thanks for the heads up.

Originally posted by AevOne718
also, i found that methylane blue... does it need to be mixed with genetian violet to be a additive or is it a and/or situation with those two?

its an and / or situation.

Originally posted by fuck muni
YO ANYONE KNOW ABOUT LINCOLN LEATHER DYE IS IT BETTER THAN GRIFFINS?

obtain that shit, experiment and find out... whats a couple bucks for some dye anyways?

Originally posted by HOVIE
i have a question about krink....someone from england could answer it please.....how does krink stain on a train??.....you know the panels that go vertically down by the windows....they are the panels that i tend to hit and seem to stain a lot.......so how does krink do??

i'm not from england, but knowing that paint doesn't stain as well as inks / dyes like fiebing's corio and nero, and krink is silver oil based paint mixed in with some other shit, i don't think it would stain as well as the nasty mixes of ink you're currently using..:crazy:

edit: the front page is now updated, and if i have time in the future it will be routinely updated again to have even more information.;)

[imported_b0b]

Hovie: Krink would not stain a br or a tube inside or out. They can buff pretty much everything now. Get experimenting with leather dyes and additive to get a stainer

[BobotheHobo]

i was goin through my moms manicure box thingy and i found some stuff that makes liquids dry faster and harder and this other stuff that dries with a glossy finish so im thinking bout expiermenting with some of this shit.IF anyone could give me details on how to make a mop out of a deoderant container it would be very helpful

[rubbish heap]

I've heard about products just like those made for house paint. I'd give it a go.

As far as deodorant mops, making them is like any other.

1) Get the kind of deodorant that rolls on and empty it out, clean it and dry it.

2) Get out a candle, light it, and than let the wax drip on the bottom of the inside of the deodorant container to seal it so ink doesn't leak.

3) Get some cotton balls, or an old sock or rag, and put it in the container to use as a filler so the ink isn't completely free flowing.

4) Get some ink; make sure you pick one that flows well, like Marsh or Pilot. Fill the container with the cotton filler inside. Make sure you have an eye dropper like that little thing that comes with Pilot ink.

5) Obtain an felt chalk board eraser, tear off a strip, and depending on the size of your container and the size of your eraser, either

a)cut it to fit your deodorat mop but keep it a little big, and jam it in there
or B) fold it in half, and jam it in there.

If you have the size right, it should stay. There's people out there who have their own ways of keeping the nib in its position like using a nail or super glue. I've never had to do that with a mop myself - I can usually fit the felt to stay on right.

6) After you have the ink in the container and the eraser nib on, get that eyedropper and saturate the nib completely in ink. This will ensure that its juicy - when it starts to get more dry after repeated use, do this again to juice up the nib.

edit: i put a step by step for making chapstick mops i wrote awhile ago on the front page.

[AevOne718]

Okay, I am going to help you kids out, because I'm just that type a guy.



Washable/Lavable
WINDOW
CHALK


its made by some company called CHUNKIE
It's white, and the cap is the color of the window paint.
Thats the shit for markers. Nice size line, durable nib. You push on it for drips, ease the pressure for a clean round line. The cap is screw on, so it's leak-safe. Perfect for etch, durable casing.

I've found it in K-Mart, Staples, and I'm sure most grocery stores have it, especially around Jul. 4th.

[king kong]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
WELCOME TO PAGE FIVE
I've heard about products just like those made for house paint. I'd give it a go.

As far as deodorant mops, making them is like any other.

1) Get the kind of deodorant that rolls on and empty it out, clean it and dry it.

2) Get out a candle, light it, and than let the wax drip on the bottom of the inside of the deodorant container to seal it so ink doesn't leak.

3) Get some cotton balls, or an old sock or rag, and put it in the container to use as a filler so the ink isn't completely free flowing.

4) Get some ink; make sure you pick one that flows well, like Marsh or Pilot. Fill the container with the cotton filler inside. Make sure you have an eye dropper like that little thing that comes with Pilot ink.

5) Obtain an felt chalk board eraser, tear off a strip, and depending on the size of your container and the size of your eraser, either

a)cut it to fit your deodorat mop but keep it a little big, and jam it in there
or B) fold it in half, and jam it in there.

If you have the size right, it should stay. There's people out there who have their own ways of keeping the nib in its position like using a nail or super glue. I've never had to do that with a mop myself - I can usually fit the felt to stay on right.

6) After you have the ink in the container and the eraser nib on, get that eyedropper and saturate the nib completely in ink. This will ensure that its juicy - when it starts to get more dry after repeated use, do this again to juice up the nib.

edit: i put a step by step for making chapstick mops i wrote awhile ago on the front page.

i thought ive heard everything, i gotta make 1 one of these days...

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by chumbawumba
I'm too lazy to look back.. what is the Nero additive?

Chumbawumba.

It's not the Nero additive, its the additive, period. Gentian Violet and Methylene Blue. If you don't know where to get them, look back in the thread or do some researching.

[chumbawumba]

Yeah, thats what I meant. I saw the thing you said about specially ordering Gentian Violet and Walgreens, but I have never heard of this Methylene Blue, but thanks.

Chumbawumba.

[HOVIE]

i made a glue stick mop the other week....and when i opened the lid the nib came out with it and the ink went all over the place....did i post that on the other page??

[chumbawumba]

This sounds legit.. would adding wood stain to an ink mix make it stain wood nicely without affecting the color or anything? Has anyone ever tried this? Also, I know you can get Gentian Violet from Walgreens, but does anyone know about Walbaums? Thanks,

Chumbawumba.

EDIT - Nevermind, I got the answer. Since this is the ink thread, I'll contribute something :king:

Scented Ink or Candy Ink
Get your favorite ink mix and put it in a paper cup. Get a plastic disposable knife, or straw. Get a hold of some Fragrance Oil. You can get it at any Home Decor store. They are used for these little Terra Cotta dishes that you place ontop of your lamp shade to give off a nice smell when the lamp is lit. Use an eyedropper to put some in, not too much because It'll effect the stain of your ink, in a negative way. This is the stuff I use - [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/309707/MVC-004F.JPG'> - I know you can't read it, but it says Fragrance Oil - Raspberry. Thats the fragrance of my choice. Mix it with the plastic knife or straw, then pour it in your marker. Juice the nib up nicely, then go bust some phat handys in a train car. This fragrance oil should'nt be too hard to obtain, but I got it in True Value Hardware for like a buck a bottle. If this recipe has been posted here already I apologize, but I felt like i needed to do something instead of just asking questions, haha. Hope I helped someone in need..

Chumbawumba.

[chumbawumba]

My bad, double post.

Chumbawumba.

[fuck muni]

candy ink isnt scented to smell nice...it naturally smells like candy and still stains hard...not as hard as my special mixes tho


DOES ANYONE KNOW if thinning leather dye with strong rubbig alcohol affects the permanant of the dye....ist leather dye like mostly rubbing alcohol anyways??

[AevOne718]

its an ingreidient in etch

[chumbawumba]

Oh, I didn't know that. I couldn't think of one place where I would get it, so fuck it, I'll keep making my own it works just fine. But I'll keep my eyes peeled for this candy ink..

Chumbawumba.

[chumbawumba]

Mines Raspberry :king: Also, where can I get Corio, Methylene Blue and Feibens? Also what is Corio? Is it like dye, or ink or what? Thanks,

CHumba.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by chumbawumba
Mines Raspberry :king: Also, where can I get Corio, Methylene Blue and Feibens? Also what is Corio? Is it like dye, or ink or what? Thanks,

CHumba.

Corio is exclusive to Europe - you can't get it in the states unless you want to try to deal with some foreign mail order website bullshit, and theres no guarentees there. From what I've heard, its only good for transit. You may or may not be able to get methylene blue from your chemistry class, but you can def get it off a chemist website (do a search on google). I've heard pet stores have it too. Click here (http://www.fiebings.com/find.asp) to find where you can get your Fiebing's at. The product is leather dye.

[BRICKTOP]

Anyone know if rusto and mineral spirits would flow good through woodcrafts or any other marker???

[AevOne718]

I was wondering the same. I wanna mix linseed and silver rusto, and put it into a on the run paint marker container.... and i wonder how thin i gotta make it to get it to flow through the nib.

Also... I have a nero question. What is this shit like?
Can i mix it with Carbon paper ink, methyblue, griffin, and brake fluid to make that shit hardc:king:re gangstah??

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by AevOne718
Also... I have a nero question. What is this shit like?

grandmaster answered this one on the first page, 5th post. i myself couldn't tell you what nero's like - i've never used it. anyways, the quote.

Originally posted by grandmaster
Nero is very permanent good ink.It stains blue when buffed! its a leather dye not like marsh so its quite thin but thicker than feibens:cool:

[BRICKTOP]

Originally posted by BRICKTOP
Anyone know if rusto and mineral spirits would flow good through woodcrafts or any other marker???

yo rubbish... i know you might know something about this^
you've been really helpful in this thread...
peace

[earo 35]

jesus christ i hate griffin! i saw a few bottles in some store and the store had the balls to not put a camera in that one aisle. so i was gonna take a few so, i grabbed one and opened it to see if it was good (cause some of them are broken and dont let out ink) then when i opened it, the fucken thing spilled out all over the floor and fucked up my reeboks. i tried to ignore it and take a few more, but the ink was all over my hands and my shirt was white and if i tried to lift it to hide the stuff it would of fucked up my shirt, and i didnt want to fuck up my shirt and my pants along with my shoes that were already fucked up. so i left and went back as soon as i washed my hands, when i went back, i saw the custodian tryin to take it off the floor and i didnt feel like staying there any longer, so the moral of the lesson is next time you check a bottle of griffin, oped it near the floor and FAR away from yourself.

[rubbish heap]

hahahaha... don't blame it on griffin, you were being pretty clumsy as fuck to spill in all over the floor.

hey bricktop, when you put oil based paint in a wood craft it doesn't flow out too well, and when you use excessive thinner it takes away from the color and opacity of the paint. it's best to put your shit in a mop instead. ;)

edit: did a little experimenting today. i got out a small glass bottle, put in some pilot ink and than mixed in some fish oil and threw that bottle of glass at a dumpster. the bottle shattered and left a drippy ink mess... i came back two hours later with a rag and some buff solution to see if fish oil really does anything for staining power like some of these heads on 12oz are claiming - it didn't do much of anything at all. kinda disappointed but oh well.

[wwvdd]

how many tags can u put up with one of those things?

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by wwvdd
how many tags can u put up with one of those things?

it depends on how well your nib is flowing and what kinds of surfaces you're writing on - for example, that shit is going to last longer writing on metal and glass than it will concrete and asphalt, but you really can't do too many without getting streaky lines. you'd be lucky to get any more than 10 nice, opaque tags.. that shit is mainly for compactibility and short term usage.

[BobotheHobo]

Does any one know if i could break open a battery and put that shit in a mmop, so the ink will have corrosive qualities.

[rubbish heap]

it sounds intriguing. you should try that shit out yourself and put the ink up in a hot spot that gets buffed all the time and see how it goes :eek:

[wwvdd]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
it depends on how well your nib is flowing and what kinds of surfaces you're writing on - for example, that shit is going to last longer writing on metal and glass than it will concrete and asphalt, but you really can't do too many without getting streaky lines. you'd be lucky to get any more than 10 nice, opaque tags.. that shit is mainly for compactibility and short term usage.
thanks alot man. im gonna make me one of those tommorow and ill tell u how it turns out.

[chumbawumba]

A friend of mine on PG did that. He said it eats into the walls inside train cars so it must work.

Chumba.

[iwaz_here594]

....i mixed human blood and marsh... the shit stains fuckin dope!!!

[rubbish heap]

I've answered countless questions since starting this thread.

Now I have a question of my own.. I'm going to buy a new pint of Marsh - Urbandesignz.com sells both the dye and the pigmented versions. Someone on 12oz mentioned that both types are the same permanency and that the pigment is too thick for most markers. I emailed UrbanDesignz and asked about the two Marsh's they carry - they said the Dye is mainly used for indoors and fades away outside, and the Pigmented is more durable outside.

So my question is, who is right and who is wrong? Has anyone used both? Thanks.

edit: i found out the marsh i currently have in a 4 oz. sample jar is dye, and it seemed roughly as permanent as pilot ink. i think i'll order the pigmented stuff and see - hopefully it will flow. any used it?

[chumbawumba]

Hey rub, I would go with what Urban Designz told you. But I've never tried it so I would'nt know.
Also -
What European mailorder thing can I get corio at?

Chumba.

Get your methylene blue here, if you cant get it in Chemistry Class -
MB 1 (http://www.osustores.com/shop/products/Default.asp?strFormAction=showProductDetail&product_no=5) and Gentian Violet GV (http://www.osustores.com/shop/products/Default.asp?strFormAction=showProductDetail&product_no=1953)

[HOVIE]

today i got some black corio....beeaauuttifullll:crazy:

[HOVIE]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
I've answered countless questions since starting this thread.

Now I have a question of my own.. I'm going to buy a new pint of Marsh - Urbandesignz.com sells both the dye and the pigmented versions. Someone on 12oz mentioned that both types are the same permanency and that the pigment is too thick for most markers. I emailed UrbanDesignz and asked about the two Marsh's they carry - they said the Dye is mainly used for indoors and fades away outside, and the Pigmented is more durable outside.

So my question is, who is right and who is wrong? Has anyone used both? Thanks.

edit: i found out the marsh i currently have in a 4 oz. sample jar is dye, and it seemed roughly as permanent as pilot ink. i think i'll order the pigmented stuff and see - hopefully it will flow. any used it?
i heard that marsh isnt what its made out to be

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by chumbawumba
Hey rub, I would go with what Urban Designz told you. But I've never tried it so I would'nt know.
Also -
What European mailorder thing can I get corio at?

Can't help you there. It's not worth it at all - you'd have to wade through countless websites in foreign languages, find one that is willing to ship international, pay the expensive international shipping rate, convert your currency into theirs, etc etc etc. It's not worth all that trouble for a bottle of ink when there is plenty of other great ones out there.

Originally posted by HOVIE
i heard that marsh isnt what its made out to be

like i said, i've used the dye type marsh and it flows great and is a little harder to buff than pilot ink.

i got some violet garvey coming for me in the mail, i heard that shit is greaaat, stains hard and drips like a dream.

[chumbawumba]

Yeah I guess your right..

[Swtchn'style]

is there anything that can't be buffed (markers,rollers,etc.)

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by Swtchn'style
is there anything that can't be buffed (markers,rollers,etc.)

the answer is, yes and no. they can buff pretty much anything by painting over it - rollers, throwups, handstyles. but the thing is, certain things don't get painted over - things like panels on your transit, metal signs, mail boxes, newspaper boxes, dumpsters, electric boxes etc. to get rid of graff on these surfaces, people use cleaning solutions like lacquer thinner, xylene, goof off etc. if your ink stains hard, it will be extremely difficult for someone to completely get rid of your handstyle - there will always be a ghost mark.

and than there is etch. but do NOT mention that shit on here.

[rubbish heap]

A little recipe I've been working on lately: I'm in the process of getting everything needed for it; the ingredients are violet Garvey, purple Fiebing's, Gentian Violet, violet Pearl Ex, and to top it off, brake fluid. The Garvey will be the ink base, the Fiebing's will be the strong leather dye mixed in for increased stainage, the Gentian Violet will be for added staining, the Pearl Ex will be for sparkles (thanks Ira Sanky
for mentioning that shit or I would have never though about using it) and the brake fluid will be for corrossive properties.

[AevOne718]

Does that pearlex stuff really work?
Has anyone tried the carbonpaper ink recipe yet? Did ya like it?

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by AevOne718
Does that pearlex stuff really work?
Has anyone tried the carbonpaper ink recipe yet? Did ya like it?

i'm sure the pearl ex works fine - i got a small container of it, havent used it yet.

i'm trying to find that violet carbon paper you were talking about - only found the black. do you have to put it in isopropyl alcohol ? usually you can't find it pure, it's diluted with water (bad times). carbon paper mixed with xylene sounds intriguing, i wonder how it would work out.

[AevOne718]

xylene n carbonpape SUCKS... from my experiance.
It evaporates so fast the nib goes dry. Or maybe it wouldnt go through the nib... i dont know, but it sucks fro mwhat ive tried.

Yes, isopryl alcohol. I would like to try denatured alc, but i have no money for it.

I dont know where u can get that violet paper... hopefully you go to school and a teacher has it. Try to go to a copy shop or something.

[rubbish heap]

ah, denatured alcohol sounds like the best way to do it.

come to think of it, it would probably work as a great thinning agent for inks, too. better than rubbing alcohol...

[Dick Quickwood]

hey rubbish, how's the garvey ?

[rubbish heap]

Don't know yet. I sent out the money order yesterday; hopefully it'll be here sometime this week or next.

[chumbawumba]

Whats the Garvey site where you can view all the inks?

[rubbish heap]

http://www.garveyproducts.com/inks.htm

their policy is that you have to spend atleast 25 bucks ordering their shit. i just ordered mine off ebay, easier and less expensive that way. urbandesignz.com also sells garvey but they are out right now.

[chumbawumba]

I've searched ebay for Garvey Inks, no such luck, though.

[HOVIE]

yo rubbish, you seem to know a whole lot about good mixes....how about some flicks of your work??...i understand if you dont wanna show me..but i would be interested in seeing it

[email protected]

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by chumbawumba
I've searched ebay for Garvey Inks, no such luck, though.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...7&category=4174 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3702835277&category=4174)

there we go, garvey..

yo rubbish, you seem to know a whole lot about good mixes....how about some flicks of your work??...i understand if you dont wanna show me..but i would be interested in seeing it

ey hovie, i dont quite get what you're saying. you want to see some of my handstyles or supplies?

[Swtchn'style]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
the answer is, yes and no. they can buff pretty much anything by painting over it - rollers, throwups, handstyles. but the thing is, certain things don't get painted over - things like panels on your transit, metal signs, mail boxes, newspaper boxes, dumpsters, electric boxes etc. to get rid of graff on these surfaces, people use cleaning solutions like lacquer thinner, xylene, goof off etc. if your ink stains hard, it will be extremely difficult for someone to completely get rid of your handstyle - there will always be a ghost mark.

and than there is etch. but do NOT mention that shit on here.
...thanks for the info, ur the only person who actually gives me an answer...

[chumbawumba]

there we go, garvey..

Ahh.. thanks, also don't you have to give them a credit card # to sign up for an ebay account or something..?

[rubbish heap]

nop; your getting ebay confused with paypal. i just use money orders to buy.

[destroya]

i'd actually like to see some of your homemade concoctions, but you could also sprinkle me with some of your work.

[rubbish heap]

on the front post, first page, theres a link to a picture of a chapstick marker i made a little while back. i've also done the standard kiwi mop alot, usually loading it with some nice runny bucket paint. also made a mop out of a pilot in the past - very easy stuff.

but to be honest, i'm not all that much into making the home made markers - they're cool for concealment and acting stealth, and for someone who doesn't have access to an art store or whatever, but i prefer writing with pilots and shit like that. the hand comes out sharper, more calligraphic - and in most cases they're free for me.

making / modifying inks is my real passion, though.. gotta love having the buff crew struggle to scrub your shit off, or having some fresh bucket paint colors. :crazy:

[TresOne]

^^ in your experience, how quickly (if at all) does brake fluid eat through plastic markers and/or nibs?

I was thinking of putting a tad in my chapstick marker, and in my bingo-dabber markers, but i've never tried it before, and don't wanna have that shit eating a hole in the marker one day when it's in my pocket..

I've refilled ink mixed with brake-fluid in metal markers like Pilots many a time, but just wondering what your thoughts were on the plastic ones...

[rubbish heap]

As I said before - brake fluid comes in a plastic container - i have no experience of it melting the plastic away on mops / markers. now xylene, thats a different issue.

if you're ever concerned about having mad ink stains in your pocket from that freshly made mop... wrap up a plastic baggy over it, not the ziplock kind.

[HOVIE]

thanks rubbish..i added you on aim.......heres a mix ive been using the past few days in my 20mm....

black corio
dark brown punch leather dye
break fluid
potassium premagranate

someone has told me it stained quite nice.....it comes VERY dark brown.pretty much black but a brown tint to it.....flows nicley too:yum:

[1_2atemsdome]

take sum baby oil and boil it down, it turns into some nice black ink to use in mops and its also damn good tattoo ink

1 :D

[BobotheHobo]

yo does anyone have any recipes for mean streak type things:D

[imported_sofarok]

Potassium permanganate does fuck all, and i have yet to see any conclusive proof that brake fluid has much of an effect, im my experience it doesn’t mix well with inks and has an tendency to give an nasty brownish tinge...

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by BobotheHobo
yo does anyone have any recipes for mean streak type things:D

there's the old two toned streak, where you cut off half of one streak with a razor, mash it together the half of a different colored streak and wind that shit back in the marker.. i'm not that much of a fan of that tho, i like red streaks hands down.

as for a completely homemade streak, i doubt a recipe exists out there. just doesn't make any sense.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by HOVIE
thanks rubbish..i added you on aim.......heres a mix ive been using the past few days in my 20mm....

black corio
dark brown punch leather dye
break fluid
potassium premagranate

someone has told me it stained quite nice.....it comes VERY dark brown.pretty much black but a brown tint to it.....flows nicley too:yum:

nice recipe.. i heard potassium permagrante and brake fluid, when combined, will have a reaction of some sort.. guess that myth is falso, though.

[destroya]

Originally posted by BRICKTOP
do they sell this shit anywhere in san jose or the south bay.... i cant seem to find it anywhere but the internet...
peace

what the fuck is the matter with you? are you retarded?

to stick tot the topic here, do any inks work well on glass? i was never able to get a moderately-filled (not "overjuiced", i can get that to go on nicely) ink marker to lay on glass right. the only things that really worked were pentel whites and the stock zig paint. everything else comes out streaky. could it just be the nib of does it just not work well?

[HOVIE]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
nice recipe.. i heard potassium permagrante and brake fluid, when combined, will have a reaction of some sort.. guess that myth is falso, though.


it makes the bottle of the pen warm...so it probably does react...but i allways do it with my inks and it hasnt doen anything bad yet....

[D00Z]

Brake fluid is a must! but please make sure your wearing gloves, that stuff is baaaad!

D00Z
www.twistedminds.co.uk

[rubbish heap]

Damn, I wake up today and it looks like the mods deleted 30 posts of mine, messed around a little with the ink thread and stickied the marker mod thread. Anyways, to the quotes...

Originally posted by destroya
to stick tot the topic here, do any inks work well on glass? i was never able to get a moderately-filled (not "overjuiced", i can get that to go on nicely) ink marker to lay on glass right. the only things that really worked were pentel whites and the stock zig paint. everything else comes out streaky. could it just be the nib of does it just not work well?

The stock ink in zigs is garbage on windows - shit can be scratched away with your finger nails because it doesnt really stick. now, not in my own experience but from what ive heard, garvey ink is good times on windows. mine should be shipping in the mail as i type this. i know that straight griffin is garbage on glass - shit doesn't seem to be able to stick at all.

Originally posted by JeffLebowski
If you can brave it:

Sulfuric Acid Tablets... Crush them up, dilute and add small/tiny drops to your own 'warm-at-heart' ink. Not too much, or your container will self-destruct!! Happy Crushing!

sounds like some sketchy shit, haha.

Originally posted by HOVIE
it makes the bottle of the pen warm...so it probably does react...but i allways do it with my inks and it hasnt doen anything bad yet....

hmm.. i think im going to try both of them in an ink as soon as i can get ahold of the potassium perm. heard sears stocks it, and pet shops too.

[BobotheHobo]

my pops just got some muriatic acid in the mail to do something with concrete so im gonna throw some of that in my next marker for corrosive properities. he said that it was like 2 bucks a bottle and they are big bottles so if it works out i might buy my own and that shit would last me a long time.

[rubbish heap]

all i have to say with all these kids experimenting with all these acidic chemicals is ... be careful and wear gloves .

[AevOne718]

holy jesus... BRAKE FLUID IS NOT DANGEROUS.

I WASH my hands with that shit. It doesn't hurt, and it doesn't fuck up my skin. I have nice smooth sex hands. So unless you are like the princess adn hte fucking pea, brake fluid won't hurt you. Unless you funnel it into your urethra.

[Dick Quickwood]

Originally posted by AevOne718
holy jesus... BRAKE FLUID IS NOT DANGEROUS.

I WASH my hands with that shit.

which is probably not the smartest thing to do, since it says on the bottle to avoid skin contact

[ader47]

and washing your hands in it cant be getting them very clean..common sense people, come on.

[AevOne718]

__
and washing your hands in it cant be getting them very clean..common sense people, come on.
__

yeah? I use it to get griffin stains off my hands, and paint. It also weakens the laquer on my hardwood floor so i can scratch stains out with an exacto knife, to to meantion the fact that it helps me was stains off my walls... which are some wierd bumpy paint or something.




How about, instead of discussing brake fluid and the effects it has on my soft, gentle hands...

Alright, I have never tried this, but I would love to...

Get a Jumbo Silver UNIPAINT
2 white unis,
and a blue uni, these three should be medium or whatever

Empty the blue and 2 whites into the silver, now.... even if it doesnt make a wierd sky blue chrome, it will do some funky shit. Try this out and let me know... unless I get to do it first.

[rubbish heap]

hey aev, sounds like it'd work like i dream to me. i've always liked the idea of mixing silver with hot pink or baby blue.. never tried it but i got a bucket of silver and a bucket of pink lying around..

[AevOne718]

Well rubbadubdubish... that sounds good to me... except I still insist on a very very thinned out white.

In other words get some white bucket, then mix it with thinner... i mean like... 3/4.... and u get this thin watery white, then use that as a thinner for your pink/silver mix.... I think that would be beautiful :-p




OKAY.... If anyone is from Russia or the Ukraine or the sssr.... do you remember this green shit they called ZEELAUNKAH ( that just the russian pronounciation)... anyways, it stained skin like a sonofabitch, just like griffin, or carbon paper ink. It, much like genitian violet, is an anti septic.

http://www.russianfoods.com/showroom/produ...ges/916C015.jpg (http://www.russianfoods.com/showroom/product02197/vendor004C6/pimages/916C015.jpg)

That MIGHT be it... but I doubt it. whatever. ASk your babushkas if they have that shit lying around.

[earo 35]

alright i need some help...
farther back i saw that you have to mix paint with thinners, blah blah blah and all that bullshit. now, i need you guys to get more specific, im tring to mix piants but i dont know what type of paint, is it glossy, semi gloss, flat, primer,...? and i also need to know what the best brand is... i have some red devil paint, some rustoleum and a shitload of bobo paints. thanks it would also help if you guys gave measurements.. thanks again

[rubbish heap]

you're so lucky that i'm always compelled to answer this stuff... lol.

i'll break it down. think of a blank shit of paper. thats a flat white color; now think of the edge of a polariod photo, that's glossy white; in other works, flat means no shines and gloss means shines. satin is in between the two. myself, i prefer gloss when you are using that shit in a mop...

make sure you get OIL BASED , not latex based. do NOT use primer.

get a small bucket of paint instead of spraying it from a spray can. if you're too lazy, its your loss and im not here to listen to people whine about it. anyways, i'm going to flat out say there isn't any one BEST brand, its all opinions. and two brands i strongly prefer are rustoleum bucket paint, and one-shot.

onto the measurements. some people like using more thinner than paint for drips; i'm the opposite. in my experience, too much paint thinner (also called mineral spirits) means less opaque, bold paint. i try to do it about 25% thinner and 75% paint.

[Art Vandalay]

dont know if this was discussed before if so, here it is again........

recipe for krink-like substance

1 or 2 cans of krylon chrome aluminum
1 jar

spray the contents of the cans into the jar
let it sit overnight or a few hours. (put the lid on dumbass)
after it sits, it should have two layers, silver bottom and a dark kinda metallicy top
dump the shit on top out
add thinner, equal to about 1/4 of the silver shit to the ummmm....silver shit. voila, a drippy ass silver krink-like substance

dont mess your good clothes up

[AevOne718]

or you could just use bucket paint and thinner. On top of which, if you put the lid on, the jar explodes.

[Art Vandalay]

Originally posted by AevOne718

On top of which, if you put the lid on, the jar explodes.





sshhhh, youre ruining it.

[earo 35]

make sure you get OIL BASED , not latex based. do NOT use primer. what is accrylic based.. could i use that?

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by earo 35
what is accrylic based.. could i use that?

if you want some weak, water based paint thats not made to withstand the weather, go ahead.

keep it simple and get oil based.

[ader47]

is violet corrio the strongest corrio colour?
and if its mixed with that aerosol art bombing marker ink and a bit of leather dye will it make it weaker?

thanks in advance :D

[HOVIE]

Originally posted by ader47
is violet corrio the strongest corrio colour?
and if its mixed with that aerosol art bombing marker ink and a bit of leather dye will it make it weaker?

thanks in advance :D

from what ive seen black corio stains the best....adding a bit of leather dye changes the color a bit.......use the brown one

[rubbish heap]

Aight, I got a question for Aev. You seem to know a little about the carbon paper recipe.. well...

My question is, since most inks are already alcohol based, can you forgo mixing the carbon shreds with rubbing alcohol and use that shit as an additive in say, Marsh or Pilot? Thanks.

[AevOne718]

damn good idea rubbish... except... I donno bout you, but I have no pilot or any other ink to spare, on the other hand, if you do, then you can do it, though it will the paper will absorb a bit of pilot or w/e ink you use. I have used straight carbon ink, and, depending on what kinda marker you put it in it is opaqe, but it is mostly for transit anyways, to get the stainage goin ;). Thats why was used by old school writers mostly. But, if u have enough pilot to spare go for it, just dont get paper in the mop or marker, because obviouly itll clog.


one warning, like i said, the carbon makes the alcohol evaporate very fast for some reason, ive had it in glue stick marker, and when time comes to refill, the marker is full of nasty pulp from the paper. heh :)

[macksimum]

i know its been mentioned that latex paint doesnt work like oilbased paint, but i was wondering if anyone knows why it doesnt take thinners well? i made one recipe that was some cool red krylon bucket paint (yes, it was latex) and since i was hard up for flow i just mixed it with some Jasco i had lying around...did it thin? no. it got all goopy and weird. just wondering what it was about the oil based paint that makes it work better...

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by macksimum
i know its been mentioned that latex paint doesnt work like oilbased paint, but i was wondering if anyone knows why it doesnt take thinners well? i made one recipe that was some cool red krylon bucket paint (yes, it was latex) and since i was hard up for flow i just mixed it with some Jasco i had lying around...did it thin? no. it got all goopy and weird. just wondering what it was about the oil based paint that makes it work better...

Latex paint can be thinned with water ; things like paint thinner, lacquer thinner and and xylene can only be used to thin oil based paints, they won't mix with latex.

oil based paints are more toxic than latex ; that said, they're more ideal for a mop. the paint that comes out of a spray can is almost always oil based. now, if you wanted to paint the inside of your room or something, i can see nothing wrong with latex...

[Dick Quickwood]

Originally posted by AevOne718

one warning, like i said, the carbon makes the alcohol evaporate very fast for some reason, ive had it in glue stick marker, and when time comes to refill, the marker is full of nasty pulp from the paper. heh :)

use a different solvent, i read a recipe for carbon paper ink that said to use lighter fluid

[rubbish heap]

I tried experimenting with that Pearl Ex stuff today. I got the Purple Interference stuff and added it into black Pilot Ink. I haven't tried to do a buff test to see if it effects the permanancy, for better or worse, but it definitely added a purple gloss to it. Kinda weird. I was suspicious at first because the powder is an off-colored white but it worked fine. It didnt really make the ink much thicker, either. I'm going to pick up some silver next; silvers gotta be the shit.

[BobotheHobo]

where do u get the pearl ex stuff it sounds neato

[destroya]

streak ingredients;

Cas: 111-76-2
RTECS #: KJ8575000
Name: ETHYLENE GLYCOL MONOBUTYL ETHER.BP: ANDgt;336F,ANDgt;169C.VP: 0.6 @ 77F.
VAP DENS: 4.1.
% Wt: 10-54
OSHA PEL: 50 PPM, S
ACGIH TLV: 25 PPM, S
------------------------------
Name: ING 1: EVAP RATE: ANDlt;0.1 (BUTYL ACETATE=1). FL PT/METH: 142F,61C/TCC.
OSHA PEL: N/K (FP N)
ACGIH TLV: N/K (FP N)
-----------------------------
Cas: 84-74-2
RTECS #: TI0875000
Name: DIBUTYL PHTHALATE (SARA 313) (CERCLA)
% Wt: 2
OSHA PEL: 5 MG/M3
ACGIH TLV: 5 MG/M3
EPA Rpt Qty: 10 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty: 10 LBS
------------------------------
Cas: 13463-67-7
RTECS #: XR2275000
Name: TITANIUM DIOXIDE
% Wt: 0-24
OSHA PEL: 15 MG/M3 TDUST
ACGIH TLV: 10 MG/M3 TDUST
------------------------------
Cas: 1333-86-4
RTECS #: FF5800000
Name: CARBON BLACK
% Wt: 0-8
OSHA PEL: 3.5 MG/M3
ACGIH TLV: 3.5 MG/M3
------------------------------
Cas: 16013-44-8
Name: PIGMENT, BONE RED; (PIG RED CI15865-4)
% Wt: 0-3
OSHA PEL: N/K (FP N)
ACGIH TLV: N/K (FP N)
------------------------------
Cas: 5567-16-7
Name: PIGMENT YELLOW 83; (PIG YELLOW CI 83) (MFR'S CAS #5567-15-7)
% Wt: 0-3
OSHA PEL: N/K (FP N)
ACGIH TLV: N/K (FP N)
-----------------------------
Cas: 9004-36-8
Name: CELLULOSE ACETATE BUTYLATE AND INGREDIENT 9
% Wt: ANDlt;36.5
OSHA PEL: N/K (FP N)
ACGIH TLV: N/K (FP N)
------------------------------
Name: KETONE RESIN
% Wt: ANDlt;36.5
OSHA PEL: N/K (FP N)
ACGIH TLV: N/K (FP N)

happy manufacturing.

[Kryl0n]

id be deeply shocked if one person even attempted to make the above streak. Hassle like 'Hof!

[rubbish heap]

good luck to anyone trying that streak recipe.. you're better off buying one yourself :yum:

i just got some more supplies today. my violet garvey came, i picked up some dot3 brake fluid, black carbon paper (i couldn't find violet, aev..), and some gentian violet (although it is in liquid form, not powder... :( ) i'm going to experiment and test this shit out as soon as it stops raining and gets dry. hopefully i can gank some powder gentian in the future because i get the feeling this liquid shit is going to be way weaker / less pure.

[AevOne718]

from what people say... black dont work. If i can manage to get some violet paper, i'd mail you some. A trade perhaps?

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by AevOne718
from what people say... black dont work. If i can manage to get some violet paper, i'd mail you some. A trade perhaps?

sounds good. the place i went to, the owner basically said that they have someone buy carbon paper once in a month.. and they don't carry much. than again i know of another store that stocks pretty much only paper, i may check them.

[earo 35]

this thread just becane ebay:crazy:

[ader47]

Originally posted by ader47
is violet corrio the strongest corrio colour?
and if its mixed with that aerosol art bombing marker ink and a bit of leather dye will it make it weaker?

thanks in advance :D

I swear the violet isnt even permanent now, unless i need to add an additive?
I wrote on a small plastic thing one night and rubbed my finger with a bit of water over it the next morning and it came off...advice? :( It did leave a veerry slight stain i guess

[HOVIE]

Originally posted by ader47
I swear the violet isnt even permanent now, unless i need to add an additive?
I wrote on a small plastic thing one night and rubbed my finger with a bit of water over it the next morning and it came off...advice? :( It did leave a veerry slight stain i guess

the problem might be that the plastic thing was too smooth...that happens on clean windows aswell.....they buff most inks in about 2 or 3 buffs now.....ive never used corio on its own...its too transparent for my liking

[imported_b0b]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
The other ink recipe threads are dying, and nobody wants to read through 10 pages to find what they want. .

The irony is this thread is getting massive so any thing vaguely off topic is getting deleted to whittle it down to just info. No offence to those losing posts.

[earo 35]

HOLY SHIT!!! you know how rubbish heap said that you can only thin latex paint with water... well i looked through my garage and nothing but latex... anyways i found a small bucket of green latex (it was rustoleum) and i was like "what the hey..." so i mixed i with water and i put the shit in a kiwi mop... when i tried it in schooljesus pissing christ!! the shit was leaky as fuck, it stained everything in sight and the best part was the it smelled like chocolate!!! im gonna rack me some kiwis and fill that shit up with all the paint i have left. who would have thought that i could find something out like that purely by accident:idea:

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by b0b
The irony is this thread is getting massive so any thing vaguely off topic is getting deleted to whittle it down to just info. No offence to those losing posts.

i was wondering where some of those pages went...

thanks for refining the thread, i appreciate it. if i had mod privilages on this thread i'd probably do something similar myself.

[imported_b0b]

Originally posted by rubbish heap


thanks for refining the thread, i appreciate it. if i had mod privilages on this thread i'd probably do something similar myself.


It wouldn't happen for while, as it is grief to sort out on the database that runs this place. In the meantime you stuck me with coming and dleting things and upsetting everyone's post counts

[ader47]

Originally posted by HOVIE
the problem might be that the plastic thing was too smooth...that happens on clean windows aswell.....they buff most inks in about 2 or 3 buffs now.....ive never used corio on its own...its too transparent for my liking

What do you add to it?

[BobotheHobo]

has anyone here ever trieed using steel wool as a nib i was looking at some and it looked like it might work nicly

[destroya]

Originally posted by BobotheHobo
has anyone here ever trieed using steel wool as a nib i was looking at some and it looked like it might work nicly

it'll probably flow like milk through a lactose-intolerant man. maybe if you want to scratch shit up at the same time.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by BobotheHobo
has anyone here ever trieed using steel wool as a nib i was looking at some and it looked like it might work nicly

why not just use a chalkboard eraser? that's pretty much the tried-and-true thing for a nib; people have been using them forever.

however, its wouldnt hurt to try youself.











an observation: some of you have asked in the past, on this thread and elsewhere, what is the best way to thin out an ink. i think i've come to the conclusion that the answer is pure ethanol (ethyl alcohol). this beats rubbing alcohol, which is usually diluted with water, and xylene, which eats away plastic. in my next recipe i think i'm going to use that shit.

by the way, thanks destroya for telling me a little bit about the differences in certain alcohols...

[HOVIE]

Originally posted by ader47
What do you add to it?

i allways add some pottasium and break fluid to all orf my mixes because i have loads of it and it actually works.....if i have anything else ill add it....leather dye, inferno, whatever......try this mix...i posted it a couple of pages back but its a fuckin beauty

get a 250ml bottle of black corio
use about a quater of it...or pour the whole bottle into a coke bottle
then get a bottle of dark brown leather dye
potasium permagranate
break fluid

its one of my favourites yet:D

EDIT*..but you still might have the problem of it going weird on windows...but theres no point in bombing on windows with ink anyway in my opinion....

[BobotheHobo]

I was in my basement and i found something called pcv primer i guess its for pipes. well anyway i put some this piece of plastic and like forgot bout it 5 in later but the next morning i went down there and i remebered so i went to go check out how easy it was to buff and shit. so i look at it and its kinda transparent, then i take a rag and put some goof off on it and start to rub that shit down.....i couldnt even make a dent nothin fucken happened so i was like whoa .. im bout to start puttin that shit in my mops. it looks scrumptious:yum:

[destroya]

i've used flowpen ink, and it worked fine, but i hear h2b relatively thick, and i don't want to fuck up my marker. anyone know for sure?

[macksimum]

Originally posted by ARCEL
yeah, don't bother with it, unless you're going to be doing tags on cloth, and even then i think you have to use hot water to make it permanent.

what i have came in powder form, so i would have to add water anyway. i mean, i wasnt planning on using it only as the ink...but rather as an additive...guess ill just have to 'figure it out for myself...'

[macksimum]

i made an ink with some powdered leather dye and to get it liquid i used hot water...when i put the ink into my new deoderant marker and tested it, it looked like what happens when you draw on the shiny side of the back of a label....you know how it all seperates and beads off? i was wondering if that was from adding water to the dye...or could it have been from the sponge i used as the nib for the marker (havent tried to come up on any chalkboard erasers, yet)? because when you pull the sponge outta the package they're a little damp with a weird soapy substance. but i dont think thats the problem cos i tried using a sock and the same thing happened. if anyones had a similar problem and/or solution please lemme know. until then i will try to figure it out myself...but help would be great.

[rubbish heap]

i've never even heard of powder leather dye; strange.

either way, water is a weak base. alcohol is a much more preferred one.

[1_2atemsdome]

Originally posted by AevOne718
um... a stove??


too hot, it will turn the baby powder into shit, you need something that can gradually heat it, altho my friend can get it to work with a stove, i always end up turning it into ash that way, i just so happened to post teh easiest way for me to get it to turn black.

[1_2atemsdome]

Originally posted by BobotheHobo
I was in my basement and i found something called pcv primer i guess its for pipes. well anyway i put some this piece of plastic and like forgot bout it 5 in later but the next morning i went down there and i remebered so i went to go check out how easy it was to buff and shit. so i look at it and its kinda transparent, then i take a rag and put some goof off on it and start to rub that shit down.....i couldnt even make a dent nothin fucken happened so i was like whoa .. im bout to start puttin that shit in my mops. it looks scrumptious:yum:

they use pvc primer to prime the pipes for glueing befor ethey stick em together, its permanent up to a certain extent on pvc, but anything else it will wash off rather quickly, if you can mix it and make it darker it would probably be some sick shit to see on some plexiglass windows,....

[Easy E]

Originally posted by earo 35
HOLY SHIT!!! you know how rubbish heap said that you can only thin latex paint with water... well i looked through my garage and nothing but latex... anyways i found a small bucket of green latex (it was rustoleum) and i was like "what the hey..." so i mixed i with water and i put the shit in a kiwi mop... when i tried it in schooljesus pissing christ!! the shit was leaky as fuck, it stained everything in sight and the best part was the it smelled like chocolate!!! im gonna rack me some kiwis and fill that shit up with all the paint i have left. who would have thought that i could find something out like that purely by accident:idea:


who writes at school?:burned:

[Dick Quickwood]

i, for one


well, at least i did when i was in school




to the rit dye guy, rit dye is shit, just like i already told you, but if you like wasting your time and/or "washable" ink...


rubbish, how's the garvey and gentian ?

[chumbawumba]

I got some violet Garvey XT-70 Ink coming, would it work good if I put some of it inside my black pilot? What is some good shit to mix it with? Thanks,

Chum.

Rubbish Heap - I'm getting the Garvey from that auction you posted, thanks man.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by ARCEL
rubbish, how's the garvey and gentian ?

as i said, the gentian is liquid form so i'm sure i'll be disappointed with it. the garvey is looking good.

today i put up a bunch of shit on a dumpster - silver otr flowpen ink, silver unipaint ink, straight ink from the kiwi (used for comparison, obviously it is shit), pilot ink, straight garvey, white meanstreak, red sakura streak, griffin and straight liquid gentian violet.

tommorrow i'm going back to give it all the buff, and see which ones are stronger than the others, and how garvey, gentian and otr compare to pilot, griffin and silver unipaint...

i will post the results tommorrow.

Rubbish Heap - I'm getting the Garvey from that auction you posted, thanks man.

no problem. it should mix just fine into a pilot - they are both alcohol based. i plan on adding mine into a pilot after this upcoming buff test.. it probably won't come out completely purple in the pilot, but that doesnt really matter.

[imbrucewayne]

Are you using the black garvey or the purple garvey.

The violet shit looks so fucking narsty man, I'm seriouslly going to get some of that shit.

further note, To get some dope colors in mops, Fix up some nice and drippy White, and if you have any otr markers with there shitty ink, pour alittle of whatever you want into it, shake it up, and you got your self a nice light version of whatever color you put into it.

me and my boy made a sick light pink bastard.

[chumbawumba]

I should be getting my Garvey in a day or so, because we both live in Brooklyn, NY :cool:

[chumbawumba]

By that I meant me, and the seller of the ink..

[HOVIE]

im sure this has been asked before but what is garvey (leather dye, ink, whatever) and where can i get it...delete this post after its answered

thanks

[ader47]

garveys strong ink
http://www.garveyproducts.com/inks.htm
not sure if they ship to england

[HOVIE]

can someone hook me up with a site where i can find the translation from ounce to mililetres please...that garvey stuff isnt too expensive i might get some...

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by HOVIE
can someone hook me up with a site where i can find the translation from ounce to mililetres please...that garvey stuff isnt too expensive i might get some...

http://www.google.com/help/features.html#calculator

the auction on ebay ships internationally. click here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3705854034&category=4174) to see it. at the garvey site, they make you buy a minimum of 25 dollars worth.

by the way, you have to use paypal in the auction if you live overseas.

[chumbawumba]

It seems like that guy has a lot of Garvey auctions up. We both live fairly close to each other so I'm gonna email him and see if he can sell some Garvey to me without the exra money for the shipping on the auction. Anyway they got this leather dye in an aerosol can here, if its as permanent as the other stuff like feibings then it might be like paint, anyone ever tried this?

[rubbish heap]

sounds like aerosol leather dye would be really drippy, because that shit is always a thin consistency.

[HOVIE]

they do marsh in a can aswell i think...thanks for that link rubbish..i think ill bid for it

[rubbish heap]

Okay, as I promised, I did a buff test today.

Materials Used:

+ An old white t-shirt for the rag
+ Goof Off cleaner (made to buff inks and spilled paint)
+ Stock ink out of a Kiwi Mop
+ Griffin
+ Pilot Ink
+ OTR Silver (alcohol based)
+ Uni Paint Silver (oil based)
+ white Meanstreak
+ red Sakura Streak
+ Straight liquid Gentian Violet (which is like, 2% gentian violet powder and the rest water and alcohol)
+ Violet Garvey.
+ A dumpster.

1st Buff: The Stock Kiwi Ink

This shit was the easiest to buff, left no ghost, and didn't stain at all. Definitely the weakest ink of the batch.

2nd Buff: OTR (alcohol based) Silver as compared to Uni Paint (oil based) Silver

The OTR Shit was pretty easy to buff; a little stronger than the Stock Kiwi Ink, but nonetheless it took no effort to remove it and it didn't leave any ghost. The Uni Paint Silver was a little stronger and harder to buff; it would probably last longer in the weather. It didn't stain or leave a ghost either, but it was decent.

3rd Buff: White Meanstreak as compared to Red Sakura Streak

I was kind of surprised, the red Sakura was easier to buff than the white Meanstreak. Actually, I never got the Meanstreak completely off, but the Sakura took a little effort and was harder to buff than the Uni Paint Silver.

4th Buff: Pilot Ink

This shit left no ghost, didn't stain much at all, but it did smear a little when I buffed it. I'd say it was about as strong as the Uni Paint Silver, maybe a little stronger. Decent shit.

5th Buff: Liquid Gentian Violet

This shit looks purple and leaves a green shine to it. Now, bear in mind it contains only 2 percent of the actual Gentian Violet; that said, it was easy to buff but smeared everywhere. Hopefully, I can obtain some regular Gentian Violet powder soon.

6th Buff: Violet Garvey and Black Griffin

These two were the hardest to buff, and the best staining. The Griffin was stronger than any of the previous inks, and left a semi light, semi dark ghost. Definitely a quality ink/dye, but not as good as... Violet Garvey. Now I was surprised at how hard this thing was to buff. It was definitely the strongest ink, and stained the hardest. The ghost it left was a deep, dark purple, and it didn't even look like someone tried to buff it. I give Garvey an A+, easily the best shit I've come across since Fiebing's.

I encourage any of you reading to go and do buff tests for yourself.

[AevOne718]

very good Rubsey :) :)

but keep in mind everyone, dumpster paint isnt the only surface our marks are on.

[Dick Quickwood]

rubbish, i was thinking, you might be able to condense the gentian violet if you obtained a few bottles, dumped them in a dish, and set them out, or maybe even microwaved or cooked it. i'll likely get me a bottle of garvey at some point.

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by ARCEL
rubbish, i was thinking, you might be able to condense the gentian violet if you obtained a few bottles, dumped them in a dish, and set them out, or maybe even microwaved or cooked it. i'll likely get me a bottle of garvey at some point.

though that may be true, i think it'd be easier just to get the pure, powerful powder form.

by the way, i will probably get it off http://www.sciencelab.com, along with potassium permaganate and ethanol. go to that site and type in 'dry stain'; methylene blue and gentian violet will come up, but powders in other colors also appear, like yellow, green, all kinds of shit. could these be other colored additives that help stain well?

there is potential.