**BREAKING NEWS** SADDAM CAPTURED

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. Saddam found in underground hideout near Tikrit
· No shots fired as 600 U.S. troops raided location
· He'll "face the justice he denied to millions," Bush vows
· Saddam "very disoriented" as he was led from hole
· Iraqis celebrate in streets of Baghdad

BAGHDAD, Iraq (Dec. 14) -- BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Without firing a shot, American forces captured a bearded and haggard-looking Saddam Hussein in an underground hide-out on a farm near his hometown of Tikrit, ending one of the most intensive manhunts in history. The arrest was a huge victory for U.S. forces battling an insurgency by the ousted dictator's followers.

In the capital, radio stations played celebratory music, residents fired small arms in the air in celebration and passengers on buses and trucks shouted, ''They got Saddam! They got Saddam!'' After sundown, large explosions were heard in central Baghdad, and flames and thick smoke were seen; a policeman said there were no casualties.

''The former dictator of Iraq will face the justice he denied to millions,'' President Bush said in a midday televised address from the White House, eight months after American troops swept into Baghdad and toppled Saddam's regime. ''In the history of Iraq, a dark and painful era is over. A hopeful day has arrived.''

Washington hopes Saddam's capture will help break the organized Iraq resistance that has killed more than 190 American soldiers since Bush declared major combat over on May 1 and has set back efforts at reconstruction.

But Maj. Gen. Ray Odierno, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, which captured Saddam, said the ousted leader did not appear to be directly organizing resistance - noting no communication devices were found in his hiding place. ''I believe he was there more for moral support,'' Odierno said.

Saddam's capture was based on information from a member of a family ''close to him,'' Odierno told reporters in Tikrit.

The crucial information came after prisoners from raids and intelligence tips led to increasingly precise information, as CIA and military analysts gradually narrowed down their list of potential sites where Saddam was staying, a U.S. official said.

The capture took place at 8:30 p.m. Saturday at one of dozens of safehouses Saddam is thought to have: a walled compound on a farm in Adwar, a town 10 miles from Tikrit, not far from one of Saddam's former palaces, Odierno said.

''I think it's rather ironic that he was in a hole in the ground across the river from these great palaces that he built,'' Odierno said.

The event comes almost five months after his sons, Qusai and Odai, were killed July 22 in a four-hour gunbattle with U.S. troops in a hideout in the northern city of Mosul. There was hope at the time that the sons' deaths would dampen the Iraqi resistance to the U.S. occupation. But since then, the guerrilla campaign has mounted dramatically.

In the latest attack, a suspected suicide bomber detonated explosives in a car outside a police station Sunday morning west of Baghdad, killing at least 17 people and wounding 33 more, the U.S. military said. Also Sunday, a U.S. soldier died while trying to disarm a roadside bomb south of the capital - the 452nd soldier to die in Iraq.

Saddam was one of the most-wanted fugitives in the world, along with Osama bin Laden, the leader of the al-Qaida terrorist network who has not been caught despite a manhunt since November 2001, when the Taliban regime was overthrown in Afghanistan.

''Ladies and gentlemen, we got him,'' U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer told a news conference. ''The tyrant is a prisoner.''

Some 600 troops and special forces were involved in the raid that netted Saddam - though not all were aware beforehand that the objective was ''High Value Target No. 1,'' Odierno said.

Troops found the ousted leader, armed with a pistol, hiding in an underground crawl space at the walled compound, Odierno said. Rugs and dirt covered the Styrofoam lid covering the entrance to the hiding place, a few feet from a small, mud-brick hut where Saddam had been staying.

The hut consisted of two rooms, a bedroom with clothes scattered about and a ''rudimentary kitchen,'' Odierno said. The commander said Saddam likely had been there only a short time, noting that new shirts, still unwrapped, were found in the bedroom.

Saddam was ''very disoriented'' as soldiers brought him out of the hole, Odierno said. A Pentagon diagram showed the hiding place as a 6-foot-deep vertical tunnel, with a shorter tunnel branching out horizontally from one side. A pipe to the concrete surface at ground level provided air.

Saddam didn't fire his weapon. ''There was no way he could fight back so he was just caught like a rat,'' Odierno said.

Two other Iraqis - described as low-level regime figures - were arrested in the raid, and soldiers found two Kalashnikov rifles, a pistol, a taxi and $750,000 in $100 bills.

A U.S. defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Saddam admitted his identity when captured.

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the top U.S. military commander in Iraq, who saw Saddam overnight, said the deposed leader ''has been cooperative and is talkative.'' He described Saddam as ''a tired man, a man resigned to his fate.''

''He was unrepentant and defiant,'' said Adel Abdel-Mahdi, a senior official of a Shiite Muslim political party who, along with other Iraqi leaders, visited Saddam in captivity.

''When we told him, 'If you go to the streets now, you will see the people celebrating,''' Abdel-Mahdi said. ''He answered, 'Those are mobs.' When we told him about the mass graves, he replied, 'Those are thieves.'''

The official added: ''He didn't seem apologetic. He seemed defiant, trying to find excuses for the crimes in the same way he did in the past.''

The White House said Saddam's capture assures the Iraqi people that the deposed leader is gone from power for good.

''The Iraqi people can finally be assured that Saddam Hussein will not be coming back - they can see it for themselves,'' White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

Eager to prove to Iraqis that Saddam was in custody, Sanchez played a video at the news conference showing the 66-year-old Saddam in custody.

Saddam, with a thick, graying beard and bushy, disheveled hair, was seen as doctor examined him, feeling his scalp and holding his mouth open with a tongue depressor, apparently to get a DNA sample. Saddam blinked and touched his beard during the exam. Then the video showed a picture of Saddam after he was shaved, juxtaposed for comparison with an old photo of the Iraqi leader while in power.

Iraqi journalists at the press conference stood, pointed and shouted ''Death to Saddam!'' and ''Down with Saddam!''


Though the raid occurred Saturday afternoon American time, U.S. officials went to great length to keep it quiet until medical tests and DNA testing confirmed Saddam's identity.

DNA tests confirmed Saddam's identity, said the president of Iraqi Governing Council, Abdel-Aziz al-Hakim.

Saddam was being held at an undisclosed location, and U.S. authorities have not yet determined whether to hand him over to the Iraqis for trial or what his status would be. Iraqi officials want him to stand trial before a war crimes tribunal created last week.

Amnesty International said Sunday that Saddam should be given POW status and allowed visits by the international Red Cross.

Ahmad Chalabi, a member of Iraq's Governing Council, said Saddam will be put on trial.

''Saddam will stand a public trial so that the Iraqi people will know his crimes,'' Chalabi told Al-Iraqiya, a Pentagon-funded TV station.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair hailed the capture, saying the deposed leader ''has gone from power, he won't be coming back.''

''Where his rule meant terror and division and brutality, let his capture bring about unity, reconciliation and peace between all the people of Iraq,'' Blair said.

Celebratory gunfire erupted in the capital, and shop owners closed their doors, fearful that the shooting would make the streets unsafe.

''I'm very happy for the Iraqi people. Life is going to be safer now,'' said 35-year-old Yehya Hassan, a resident of Baghdad. ''Now we can start a new beginning.''

Earlier in the day, rumors of the capture sent people streaming into the streets of Kirkuk, a northern Iraqi city, firing guns in the air in celebration.

''We are celebrating like it's a wedding,'' said Kirkuk resident Mustapha Sheriff. ''We are finally rid of that criminal.''

Still, many Baghdadis were skeptical.

''I heard the news, but I'll believe it when I see it,'' said Mohaned al-Hasaji, 33. ''They need to show us that they really have him.''

''Things will be better for my son,'' she said. ''Everyone says everything will be better when Saddam is caught. My son now has a future.''

After invading Iraq on March 20 and setting up their headquarters in Saddam's sprawling Republican Palace compound in Baghdad, U.S. troops launched a massive manhunt for the fugitive leader, placing a $25 million bounty on his head and sending thousands of soldiers to search for him.

Saddam proved elusive during the war, when at least two dramatic military strikes came up empty in their efforts to assassinate him. Since then, he has appeared in both video and audio tapes. U.S. officials named him No. 1 on their list of 55 most-wanted Iraqis, the Ace of Spades in a special deck of most-wanted cards.

Saddam's capture leaves 13 figures still at large from the list. The highest ranking figure among them is Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, a close Saddam aide who U.S. officials have said may be directly organizing resistance.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

yay. cuz he's obviously responsible for 9-11. and all of those weapons of mass destruction we found of his.

[Gunm]

Rollerblading is gay

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U S A

[DETO]

okay, we all know now that Bush will be re-elected as our Presednt... :nope:

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Originally posted by DETO
okay, we all know now that Bush will be re-elected as our Presednt... :nope:

fuck. thats a really good point.

[phism]

Thank god, i was beginning to think they'd never find a leader that would be able to stabilize iraq.

[dr.testical]

dis iz da bomb

[ClueTwo]

Originally posted by Ronnie Dobbs
yay. cuz he's obviously responsible for 9-11. and all of those weapons of mass destruction we found of his.

Rush Limbuagh said it best: "Do you really think an enemy of George W. Bush is a friend of yours?"

I really don't think that the Iraqi's living in the states and in Iraq are celebrating because they now know he's still alive....Quit siding with the enemy unless you plan on hopping on the next plane...

[causinpanic]

just blast him!

[DETO]

Originally posted by causinpanic
just blast him!

werd. they should have shot his ass once they found him...:rolleyes:

[Ronnie Dobbs]

if thats all that this war is based on, then i know for a fact there are far worse places to jump in and knock out the dictatorship. this war is just a scheme though. something to make up for 9-11 and the gulf war and all that nonsence just to make us feel that justice has been served because we obviously cant catch the real criminal.

[Dirty_habiT]

Originally posted by LENS
Rollerblading is gay

hahaha good answer. I don't think they should kill him.... they should put him in prison.... so he can be someone's bitch.

[curious]

dont kill him!

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[WrIot]

Originally posted by phism
Thank god, i was beginning to think they'd never find a leader that would be able to stabilize iraq. AND FUCK UP AMERICA

[GamblersGrin]

it looks like he was getting ready to deliver presents to all the good boys and girls of the world next week. maybe he changed his ways in isolation then? heh.

[Scrabble]

I dont know about you guys, but I like it. I think it makes his face look slimmer. Rollerblading IS gay.

edit: But so is skateboarding.

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[japillahan]

they diddnt mention it in the article, but they found tupac in the hideout too

[Kyuzo]

can't wait to see all the 'war trial coverage' bs

[DETO]

Originally posted by E MARTYR
and if we dont find any weopons of mass destruction, we should send some L.A police over there to plant them...


:lol:

[imported_Europe]

Cant wait for the live trial... Shit will be better than OJ

[Tyler Durden]

Originally posted by LENS
Rollerblading is gay



i couldnt possibly agree more.

[RiANEMeTion-]

Now what are they planning to do...they still don't have osama..and if sadam and osama were "the most dangerous" what about there friends,and the friends of those friends..

<span style='color:gold'>Noum would like to thank the "fuck the world foundation" for a job well done on having me not give a fuck. </span>

[Dirty_habiT]

related link: www.iraqometer.com (http://www.iraqometer.com)

p.s. It'd be cool if the US gov made sadam chill out all day everyday in channel zero here on 12oz as punishment until he was DIEEEEEE

[fatbastard]

didnt saddam have like 50 lookalikes all with full plastic surgery and manerism lessons?

couldnt this guy be one of those?

[imported_dowmagik]

i fell asleep with my tv on last night and woke up @ 5:30am to the live broadcast of the news. i didnt think we'd find him.

[Smart]

Originally posted by DETO
okay, we all know now that Bush will be re-elected as our Presednt... :nope:

Actually, Bush would have been much happier politically if this hadn't happened until next August or so... He probably could have weathered the bad press for another 7 months and ridden a huge upswell into the oval office again...

As it stands, Bush faces a guranteed 11 months of 'peacekeeping', and he's gonna have to hand over the best prisoner he's gotten to date to some other country to prosecute...

But still, all you guys can come up with is hate for Bush? How about a little gratitude for the knowledge that the man directly responsible for the deaths of a half million of his followers will never be able to kill on that scale ever again?

[ClueTwo]

Originally posted by Ronnie Dobbs
if thats all that this war is based on, then i know for a fact there are far worse places to jump in and knock out the dictatorship. this war is just a scheme though. something to make up for 9-11 and the gulf war and all that nonsence just to make us feel that justice has been served because we obviously cant catch the real criminal.

And you are speaking from what? What about all the huge mass graves of dead people?

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Dec. 14: Iraqis dance in the streets of Baghdad after learning that Saddam Hussein had been captured.

This event brings further assurance that the torture chambers and the secret police are gone forever.

[Nekro]

Can't wait for the nov. 4 2004 excecution with republican body desecration afterparty.

I wonder how long they'll have to torture/bribe him to get that bitch to say he was in cahoots with AQ.

[ClueTwo]

Originally posted by Smart
the man directly responsible for the deaths of a half million of his followers will never be able to kill on that scale ever again?



FUCKIN A....Thank you!!!!

These people are basically supporting Hitler, Stalin, and all the other Dictators that once tried to make this world their own...

[imported_Europe]

I wonder how many dirty secrets Saddam knows about the rest of the world leaders and countries. Itll be very interesting once he starts talking.

[ElectricitySucks]

i want to see bush and saddam in the same room, and see the look on each of their faces. thats it.

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Originally posted by ElectricitySucks
i want to see bush and saddam in the same room, and see the look on each of their faces. thats it.

they should have a bare-knuckle boxig match...:D

[RubbeRBand]

he should've done it like Michael Collins did it, hang out around Bagdhad on a bicycle. They never woulda caught him, but ughh, for real that shit's creepy old fucking Sadam holed up in some cave,dragged out, with no fighting. I heard about that shit first thing, cuz I was listening to coast to coast after painting.

[S@T@N]

Originally posted by Smart


But still, all you guys can come up with is hate for Bush? How about a little gratitude for the knowledge that the man directly responsible for the deaths of a half million of his followers will never be able to kill on that scale ever again?



So the end justifies the means?

[gfreshsushi]

Originally posted by Nekro
Can't wait for the nov. 4 2004 excecution with republican body desecration afterparty.

motherfucker is gonna get the chair the night before the election, i just know it. bush'll get elected on a wave of blood.

[Smart]

Originally posted by S@T@N
So the end justifies the means?

Well, yes... er.. I mean, in as much as we went to war to get Sadam and now we have him... In that respect, we made it pretty clear that we were using military force (the means) to oust and arrest Sadam (the end) so...

The true 'end' is a stabalized Iraq and that is far in the future...

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George W. Bush Vs. Saddam Hussein

[heavyLox]

Originally posted by Europe
I wonder how many dirty secrets Saddam knows about the rest of the world leaders and countries. Itll be very interesting once he starts talking.

Chances are slim to none that he will have any motivation to speak. But i bet he knows some stuff.

I bet there are plenty of folks left to be caught who know close to what he knows, and might be willing to yap more; cause when they're caught, and its gonna be "lets make a deal" time, now that Saddam is caught.


I can't decide who i feel about him going with out a fight. Gangster, Softie, Foolish, supremely confident, so tired of squaler that anything is better, was he gassed/ stunned before solders went in? I have unresolved issues that can not be solved with a tissue.

[imported_Europe]

By the way, now the americans only have to find all the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. Maybe there hidden in a little hole too?

[T.T Boy]

FREE SADDAM

[sneak]

i just caught the news and according to the BBc, Saddam "put up no struggle as 600 heavily armed US forces descended upon the hole".

im not surprised he didnt resist arrest, can you imagine how itchy fingered those soldiers would have been?

now, whose seen Osama?

[heavyLox]

I heard a very cinvincing reprt saying Osama and Iman AL zawari (sp) have bben in Iran for some 11 months or so. Iman apperantly has several look alikes, that they have been sending around to see how much people will recognize him before he acctually goes anywhere.

they have changed thier looks o that of Iranian Imams.


But my bet is Afgahnistan out numbers Iraqs' holes 100 to 1 or more so finding Osama will happen only when he pisses someone off who is in an actionalbe position until then hes safe. Not to mention hes comfortable in a cave where Saddam was ALL about the plush western life styles of Excess. Jail, three hots and cot has gotta be better then where Saddam was.

Imagine sitting in one of 4 or 5 dark cold sheds for the last 7 months. No phone No communication capabilities. Everytime theres a knock it could freind or foe. Thats STRESSSSS.

I feel bad for dude and think we should leave him alone and let The affected Iraqis take all the pot shots at him. Its kinda of weak hearing all these people kicking him while hes down, just because they can. Its like talking shit to Tyson after hes been TKOed.

[Dirty_habiT]

Saddam for Prez in 2004!!! WOOOOO!!!

[king kong]

i woke up around 4am east coast time too that shit...

[FuckWhitey]

I dont believe it for many reasons:
1- saddam would have not gone down without a shootout and boobytraps
2- saddam would not have been in Iraq
3- presidential elections in the US are approaching


then again, I dont believe that bin laden knocked down the twin towers either.

[ClueTwo]

Originally posted by FuckWhitey
I dont believe it for many reasons:
1- saddam would have not gone down without a shootout and boobytraps
2- saddam would not have been in Iraq
3- presidential elections in the US are approaching


then again, I dont believe that bin laden knocked down the twin towers either.

Coming from you this means nothing....Why don't you spend your time trying to figure out that 2pac and Biggie are still alive...

[S@T@N]

Originally posted by heavyLox
Saddam was ALL about the plush western life styles of Excess.






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Up next on "Life Styles of the Rich and Famous...."





On a side note, there should be no pity for this man. I agree that the
Iraqis have the most right of anyone to hurt him, but that doesn't mean
we should stop talking about him. Trust... there were people kicking while
he was up just as much as they're kicking now that he's down.



Furthermore Tyson is a scumbag and I would talk plenty of shit if I watched
him get TKO'd.

[Misteraven]

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[Misteraven]

haha!

[ctrl+alt+del]

perfect timing, wouldnt want the news about how Dick Cheneys Haliburton over charging of some 60 million to make bush look like some sort of fraud.

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FREE TOMMY CHONG

[DETO]

:huh2: HIS BEARD ON EBAY, HIS FUCKING BEARD :nope:

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[Dick Quickwood]

free saddam !

[Dr. Dazzle]

600 soldiers? Isn't that slightly excessive to get a guy out of a hole?

[ClueTwo]

Originally posted by Dr. Dazzle
600 soldiers? Isn't that slightly excessive to get a guy out of a hole?

Nigga please....:lol:

[SIPPINJUICE]

sooooooooo....how bout that cheap oil????:mad:

[GamblersGrin]

that ebay business is genius.

[Æ°]

Probably the only positive thing that will come of all this.

[RubbeRBand]

the fuck man, Saddam went out like a chump, it is pretty sickening, I'd expect to see that guy asleep in the gutter. What he should have done is built a pyramid in the style of the ancient Egyptian Kings--Pharaoh. Can you imagine how amped the Muslim insurgents would get if it turned out Saddam was Eternal, covered in gold. Oh man, what the fuck.

[menacer..]

WHO WANTS TO FREE SADDAM?
We spent this entire time trying to find him.

Foreal, I bet they treated Saddam's ass like he was Michael Jackson when they found him... naw I bet Michael Jackson was the practice dummie for how they taxed that Iraqi ass....

menacer menacing.... let the marg flipping me admit to it and see what happens...
UAC FYM FTR AFA
FREE YOUR MIND ' 03
Big ups to EVOKE, GRINGO, BIAS, ZONE, MORGAN, all of FUCK THE REST CREW ETC.....

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[heavyLox]

Originally posted by ctrl+alt+del
perfect timing, wouldnt want the news about how Dick Cheneys Haliburton over charging of some 60 million to make bush look like some sort of fraud.

i forgot we should still be upset about that.

[bigdork]

Originally posted by Smart
Actually, Bush would have been much happier politically if this hadn't happened until next August or so... He probably could have weathered the bad press for another 7 months and ridden a huge upswell into the oval office again...

As it stands, Bush faces a guranteed 11 months of 'peacekeeping', and he's gonna have to hand over the best prisoner he's gotten to date to some other country to prosecute...

But still, all you guys can come up with is hate for Bush? How about a little gratitude for the knowledge that the man directly responsible for the deaths of a half million of his followers will never be able to kill on that scale ever again?

Knowledge, you want to talk about knowledge? How about the knowledge of our sanctions on Iraq since 1991 have caused over 500,000 inocent Iraqi deaths. How about Our supporting Saddam in the 1980's and giving him chemical weapons to use against Iran and us knowing and sweeping under the rug Saddam's gasing of the kurds because we supplied him with the gas!! How about the PNAC (project for a new american century) which since the mid 1990's has put into place exactly what is going on today, all for the philosphies of a handfull of judeo-christian billionares including the Bush family, all for their "idea" of how the middle east should be controlled, American imperialism and control of the second leading supplier of oil in the world. This is What you learn if you read and turn off the talking heads and network news idiots. It is not conspiracy shit, its facts that are out there for people who want the truth. But hey, if you want to live with less freedoms, polluted air, low paying jobs, no health care, and the dillusion of a democracy. then keep buying into the big DISTRACTION while Bush and his buddies ruin our planet. The Bush adminstartion is directly responsible for close to 10.000 civillian deaths since this bullshit "war on terriosm" started. When are they going to be captured so they can never kill on that scale again? You supporters of this crap on this site make no real intelligent statements, you just repeat what you hear on network news and are to lazy our stubborn to find out who the people are that run these "news" organizations and what there real agenda's are. If war and death give you a feeling of a Proud American then I can only pray for you!!

[onesandzeros]

I could go into my skepticism about how it seems a little too convenient amidst such a flurry of negative attention in iraq that they pulled a rabbit out of a hole, but I won't.

Instead I'll just remark on how vexed I become when I turn the ol' television on and hear continually American govt officials talk about a man who tormented his people for 30+ years, when American support allowed much of that to go on for some time.

playing the global chessboard.....


How bout this snow?

[onesandzeros]

Yeah, uh, high five to big dork for making the angry informative comment I'm too lazy to make due to this paper on algeria i'm writing. I'm with you brother, cept for that whole "pray" comment on the end there....

[Smart]

Originally posted by bigdork
Knowledge, you want to talk about knowledge? How about the knowledge of our sanctions on Iraq since 1991 have caused over 500,000 inocent Iraqi deaths.


I don't believe this AT ALL. I also understand that humanitarian aid was NEVER withheld by the UN... So, show me how we 'killed' 500,000... How did that happen exactly?

I also never claimed to be a proud American you fucking moron.

[Zes]

war is definitly fucked up and all, and i am far from calling the USA innocent. i know they have tons of blood on their hands but everyone except a few people seem to have over looked the fact that saddam is guilty of massive amounts of genocide. he terrorized his own people often at times for no reason other then his own personal enjoyment, and while usa has done alot of emssed up shit in the past, it is nowhere enar the amount pain this man has inflicted on people. he idolized stalin and hitler and i think that alone says alot... anyways sorry if this was scattered, jsut droppin my o.o2

[Æ°]

Originally posted by *kas*
while usa has done alot of emssed up shit in the past, it is nowhere enar the amount pain this man has inflicted on people.

American history vs. one man?

[bigdork]

Smart, im not going to do the work and research for you, Ive allready spent thousand's of hours researching the US/Iraq conflict which goes back more than a decade now. Bottom line is the United States goal since 1990 has been to continously block any attempt by Iraq to become a economic or military power and support its own people , because any attempt by them to control their resorces(#2 oil producer in the world) and use them to help their own peolple, is a direct challenge to the underlying goal of western dominance of the middle east and it's resources. The first sanction was signed into act Aug 2,1990 by GB#1 and was exucutive order 12722 the second was Aug,9 1990 and was exuctive order 12724. Oil for food embargo also put into place by US and Britian, which stated that Iraq was only allowed to sell ITS oil every six months for a set amount of FOOD for its citizens. For more information and the 500,000 estimate I stated start at some of these sites. www.hartford-hwp.com (http://www.hartford-hwp.com) archives/27c/094.html
www.progressive.org/0901/nagy0901.html (http://www.progressive.org/0901/nagy0901.html)
www.commondreams.org/views01/0815-03/htm (http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0815-03/htm)
www.casi.org.uk/guide (http://www.casi.org.uk/guide)
www.accuracy.org/iraq.htm (http://www.accuracy.org/iraq.htm)
or you can go to google or something and punch in US sanctions on Iraq and study for yourself.

[Smart]

are you sure you're not confusing the US with the UN because, it seems like, in your 'thousands of hours of research' you would recognize the distinction...

No matter what, you're still deflecting from the ACTUAL event of the day, which I REMIND EVERYONE is the capture and total deposition of a horrible tyrant. I'm sorry that acknowledging that is impossible for you. Go to bed, when you wake up in the morning you will still have Bush to worry about. The same can not be said about Saddam, and that is a good thing.

I swear, the motto of this place should be:
12oz Prophet, Can't Wait to Hate...

[metallix]

[img]http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/12/09/uncovered/story.jpg'>

"WE'VE CAPTURED THE TYRANT AND HIS OIL"

"AMERICA IS NOW SAFE"

[DETO]

I applaud you President Bush

[23578]

genocide doesn't mean the killing of your followers smart. sadam is not going to crack, he can't go to the bathroom because, "how can he when his people are in bondage." no public renunciation, no voluntary admission of wmd's, we are really in the same boat as we were day before yesterday.

[Smart]

Originally posted by 23578
genocide doesn't mean the killing of your followers smart.

Genocide, in my vernacular refers to the killing of an entire generation, or genome... 2 different things, I realize but I apply it both ways...

and, according to the AMERICAN Heritage Dictionary:
Genocide - The systematic, planned annihilation of a racil, political, or cultural group.


please explain my 'misapplication' of the word...

[Smart]

Originally posted by Smart
I swear, the motto of this place should be:
12oz Prophet, Can't Wait to Hate...

Originally overheard immediately after WWII
Sure, Hitler's gone, but what are those Washington fat cats doing about Stalin?

You realize that you need to celebrate the win, when you win because, next week you may lose... at this point more than ever it seems like all you anti-bush kids are actually pro-saddam, making you all saddamites...

[krie]

no big deal

[23578]

maybe i'm misinformed, but as bigdork pointed out, the dead which resulted from sanctions and oil for food programs were more numerous than the kurds, shiites, anti-saddam rebel dead. i would doubt that figure was more than a one or two hundred thousand. sure he was a bad man, but you have to ask how much of that badness was sponsored by us. he was a bully who strayed out of his yard.

[Smart]

Originally posted by 23578
maybe i'm misinformed, but as bigdork pointed out, the dead which resulted from sanctions and oil for food programs...

OK, STILL, nobody has explained how we 'killed' people this way... WE GAVE THEM THE FOOD... How is it that when we upheld our end of the deal we ACTUALLY murdered 500.000 people?

How is that our fault? We provided food, anti-biotics, milk and other essentials...
*DON'T come with the 'poison milk' theory either, we quit that when we gave the blankets to the Indians*

[Ted Wakowski]

I'd bet that a lot of younger kids across america taking such cynical stances on this saddam thing don't know as much about government, foreign policy, military strategy--stuff like that--as they think they do, or at least haven't considered whether they do or not.

I sure as hell don't understand the intricacies of what's going on in this iraq situation with enough clarity to brand it all with any dead certain, smart-assed seal of disapproval. I am skeptical, but at least one despot's been taken out the game in the process of whatever may eventually come about. Saddam really seemed like a shithead.

If this thing sticks and he isn't murdered or freed or some other shit, I'd pay damn good money for a "dunk saddam in the bubbling fecal matter of those oppressed by his rule" carnival game. Picture hanging him upside down and selling tickets ... the line would stretch through states.

[EyeforAnEYE]

Originally posted by Misteraven
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=2581687561 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2581687561)

SADDAM HUSSEIN'S Beard CAPTURED! Iraq USA new


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[kido]

Its all too perfect...

poor sadaam.

[Tyler Durden]

FREE SADDAM.




xunjustxpoliticalxprisonerx

black power.

[Dirty_habiT]

With your purchase you get a FREE Saddam!

[StarzAbove]

Sooo when we gettin Laden?

[metallix]

[img]http://www.hope-of-israel.org/img/cructree.jpg'>

[yoink]

one down.....

I swear, the motto of this place should be:
12oz Prophet, Can't Wait to Hate...

so fucking true.

[phism]

Originally posted by WrIot
AND FUCK UP AMERICA

heh. this is a joke, right?

[phism]

Originally posted by Ted Wakowski
I'd bet that a lot of younger kids across america taking such cynical stances on this saddam thing don't know as much about government, foreign policy, military strategy--stuff like that--as they think they do, or at least haven't considered whether they do or not.

I sure as hell don't understand the intricacies of what's going on in this iraq situation with enough clarity to brand it all with any dead certain, smart-assed seal of disapproval. I am skeptical, but at least one despot's been taken out the game in the process of whatever may eventually come about. Saddam really seemed like a shithead.

If this thing sticks and he isn't murdered or freed or some other shit, I'd pay damn good money for a "dunk saddam in the bubbling fecal matter of those oppressed by his rule" carnival game. Picture hanging him upside down and selling tickets ... the line would stretch through states.


is everything about making money to you people?

yeah, so he sucked. not as bad as some people, as has been mentioned... which i understand sounds like a cop out, but i'm just pointing out a failure to justify saddam hussein as a specific target.

and life for the average iraqi is worse under the americans. just about every country, including the united states, has its share of torture, genocide, chemical weapons and other science experiments administered on its own unwitting people, war crimes, and human rights violations. in fact, has any country violated international law more than the u.s.? and if you want to talk about human rights violations, torture, murder of innocents, etc., israel is number one and they're our strongest tied ally. so stop pretending this is some sort of war for the betterment of the world, because it just plain isn't.

yeah, watch them celebrate. they'll be a hell of a lot happier when we get out of there. and that's word.

[--zeSto--]

check this out -- www.theboywhocriediraq.com (http://www.theboywhocriediraq.com)

Bill Maher put it perfectly: "At least the French have the balls to stand up to the Bush Administration, unlike the Democrats."

[BROWNer]

i wonder if saddam was chillin' in his own shit..
and i wonder what the frig he was thinking, hiding
out in a tiny dirt cellar all day and night twiddlin'
his thumbsz.

[Devilush]

hahah when we came home to hear this it was about 3:30 in the morning on sunday. we were so drugged up and we didnt believe it
so we changed the channel and watched stripes instead.

i am SO SICK of hearing about him, bush, and the war.

[DETO]

Originally posted by Devilush
i am SO SICK of hearing about him, bush, and the war.
Amen.

[Spoter]

you got yourself a fucking trophy now.the capture is gonna do little change.people in the middle east are still hating on the u.s. government.i'd rather see Bush get tried for war crimes any day.but that's not gonna happen with such a powerful capitalist shit hole.it's funny how the media always draws this line between the hero and the villain...and how easily people buy into it.they're both guilty of scandalous shit.if anything this whole situation upsets me, because while one gets away with murder as we speak the other is embarassed across the globe.

[Devilush]

Originally posted by >>>spot<<<
you got yourself a fucking trophy now.the capture is gonna do little change.people in the middle east are still hating on the u.s. government.i'd rather see Bush get tried for war crimes any day.but that's not gonna happen with such a powerful capitalist shit hole.it's funny how the media always draws this line between the hero and the villain...and how easily people buy into it.they're both guilty of scandalous shit.if anything this whole situation upsets me, because while one gets away with murder as we speak the other is embarassed across the globe.

i'm with you.

[CinchedWaist]

Originally posted by Devilush
i am SO SICK of hearing about him, bush, and the war.
I'm sick of the media linking every damn thing they can to the war as well.
I was watching some Lord of the Rings special on one of the basic tv channels and they go on to say:
"Perhaps we identify so strongly with this tale because, with the tragedy of 9-11, we too must fight monsters in our lives" (or something to that effect)
I was like, wtf? Lord of the Rings has absolutely nothing to do with this war!
Also, I don't know about you guys but i'm pretty damn sick of watching doctors gouge Saddam's mouth for DNA...its the only footage they seem to have and they play it over and over. Jeez, I was eating breakfast this morning, watching TV. I look up and there's Saddam, his eyes all bloodshot and watery, doctors fiddling in his mouth with sticks...its nasty after a few 100 x's, esp. while i'm eating!

[imported_Europe]

What I want to know is:

WHO IS GETTING THE 25 MILLION DOLLAR REWARD???

[kido]

The color is orange. The terrorists are coming! Duct tape your doors shut and your eyes closed. Really, just duct tape your hands to your ankles and your cheeks open and wait for Ashcroft to come to your door to thank you personally.




:lol:

[kido]

Originally posted by Devilush
hahah when we came home to hear this it was about 3:30 in the morning on sunday. we were so drugged up and we didnt believe it
so we changed the channel and watched stripes instead.

i am SO SICK of hearing about him, bush, and the war.


ahhahaa So did we

[Poop Man Bob]

Cool flash animation on where/how he was captured:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/0,5860,1107008,00.html

[LaKe102]

Originally posted by Europe
What I want to know is:

WHO IS GETTING THE 25 MILLION DOLLAR REWARD???

i am.

[23578]

Originally posted by Smart
are you sure you're not confusing the US with the UN because, it seems like, in your 'thousands of hours of research' you would recognize the distinction...

the embargo on iraqi oil was put into place by the UN, which i understand, was basically forced enact after we won the first gulf war, and saddam thwarted UN weapons inspections, causing said embargo. oil for food, again i'm not an expert, was not exactly in anyone's best interests but our own, not OPEC's, not Saddam's, and therefore not in anyone else's best interest. basically the argument here is just because the UN is involved everyone thinks everyone's best interests are being considered. the UN is a good idea, don't get me wrong, it looks good on paper, but in practice it's not the ultimate conflict resolution. in my opinion, it's not right for them to dole out the spoils of war. war leads to war, leads to war, where does a peace keeping organization such as the UN fit into that equation? i don't see how it has done any good for anyone here.

[Poop Man Bob]

[img]http://spd.atdmt.com/b/AAAVEBBUYBRE/111103_hol_htheatre_468x180_29k.gif'>

This ad creeps me the fuck out. Look at the Best Buy guy's eyes.

[kido]

he sees everything in Hidef, duhhh

[kido]

not funny:(

just trying to get to a grand so I can finally quit:(

[Æ°]

I hope they bring Saddam to trail for the crimes he committed against the Kurds. Along with everyone else that was involved. Reagan wouldn't be on the dime after that shit.

[krie]

Originally posted by StarzAbove
Sooo when we gettin Laden?

i thought bout that yesterday

"has everyone forgotten bout this laden fella or something, he fucked america over more, id make him the higher priority to catch"

[~KRYLON2~]

damn i thought saddam would atleast strap a bomb to his chest and blow sumthing up

[onesandzeros]

I sure do think all of this coverage of him being embarrassingly checked for lice and the cover of most of the major newspapers having something to do with the word "rat" is going to make us lots more safer from those terrorist do-ers.....right.....right?

[S@T@N]

Do you know how much it must have sucked when he farted down there?

[The Dude]

Originally posted by CinchedWaist
I don't know about you guys but i'm pretty damn sick of watching doctors gouge Saddam's mouth for DNA...its the only footage they seem to have and they play it over and over. Jeez, I was eating breakfast this morning, watching TV. I look up and there's Saddam, his eyes all bloodshot and watery, doctors fiddling in his mouth with sticks...its nasty after a few 100 x's, esp. while i'm eating!

free advice: theres a "Power" button on your remote, you can also find it on the actual television.

[rip]

Originally posted by bigdork
Smart, im not going to do the work and research for you, Ive allready spent thousand's of hours researching the US/Iraq conflict which goes back more than a decade now. Bottom line is the United States goal since 1990 has been to continously block any attempt by Iraq to become a economic or military power and support its own people , because any attempt by them to control their resorces(#2 oil producer in the world) and use them to help their own peolple, is a direct challenge to the underlying goal of western dominance of the middle east and it's resources. The first sanction was signed into act Aug 2,1990 by GB#1 and was exucutive order 12722 the second was Aug,9 1990 and was exuctive order 12724. Oil for food embargo also put into place by US and Britian, which stated that Iraq was only allowed to sell ITS oil every six months for a set amount of FOOD for its citizens. For more information and the 500,000 estimate I stated start at some of these sites. www.hartford-hwp.com (http://www.hartford-hwp.com) archives/27c/094.html
www.progressive.org/0901/nagy0901.html (http://www.progressive.org/0901/nagy0901.html)
www.commondreams.org/views01/0815-03/htm (http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0815-03/htm)
www.casi.org.uk/guide (http://www.casi.org.uk/guide)
www.accuracy.org/iraq.htm (http://www.accuracy.org/iraq.htm)
or you can go to google or something and punch in US sanctions on Iraq and study for yourself. heres some research for you we barley get any oil from the middle east. almost all comes from north america. mainly canada. so there you go dumb ass. looks like you might want to read some more.

[rip]

quote:
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Bill Maher put it perfectly: "At least the French have the balls to stand up to the Bush Administration, unlike the Democrats."
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how did the french stand up to the bush administration?

[schleephen]

Originally posted by rip
heres some research for you we barley get any oil from the middle east. almost all comes from north america. mainly canada. so there you go dumb ass. looks like you might want to read some more.

-hold up. the monster-over-consumption, big bad daddy states are stealing my nations fucking oil too? first the softwood shit, then the bud, and the water (all our good mothafuckin' natural resources). wake me up when this nightmarish dream of "liberty", "freedom", and "in the name of God" bullshit is up.


can i open my eyes yet, our is there more unnecessary blood to be spilled?





.i write messages on money.

[Poop Man Bob]

To paraphrase Brownz:

RIP HAS SPOKEN. WE MUST ALL SHUT UP NOW.

[mental invalid]

hahaha....



oh those crazy neo-cons....

[Milton]

Mommy Mommy, I want a neo-con. Can I have a neo-con for christmas??

[CinchedWaist]

Originally posted by The Dude
free advice: theres a "Power" button on your remote, you can also find it on the actual television.
hey, no need to get sassy. Besides, its necessary for me to be brainwashed b-4 work to numb the pain.

[swiss cheese]

Someone painted a huge silver "FREE SADAM" off the highway here.
I laughed because I can imagine the anger it will draw, and ALSO because I believe his name is Saddam not sadam. Well, everyone gets the point.

[Milton]

We should pool or $$ and make teeshirts...

In other news I overheard this little ditty in line at safeway.
Cashier: "So they caught Saddam(with a horrible pronunciation)"
Old guy in line: Yep
Cashier: It's the best thing that's happened in the world, a nice big christmas present for America.
Old Guy In Line: Yep
Cashier: They should shoot him, as a matter of fact they should let the Iraqi people do what they want with him.
Old guy in line: Yep.

On three guys...
"GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUSH"
Jazzhands all around...

[DETO]

[img]http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/00/00/20031214092309990002'>
''in search of Weapons of Mass Destruction, still nothing was found..."

[CinchedWaist]

damn you deto ;)
thats the exact footage i was talking about.

[king kong]

Originally posted by DETO
[img]http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/00/00/20031214092309990002'>
''in search of Weapons of Mass Destruction, still nothing was found..."

that guy killed a lot of people, who cares about weapons of mass destruction

[heavyLox]

Originally posted by DETO
''in search of Weapons of Mass Destruction, still nothing was found..."


No? I heard his breath was he BOMB!

[FuckWhitey]

Sharon killed thousands of innocent Palestinians, he should also be arrested.

[DETO]

Originally posted by heavyLox
No? I heard his breath was he BOMB!

yeah, it might have been pretty bad, but not that bad that it would be considred a Weaopn of Mass Destruction...
close but no cigar...;)

[Abracadabra]

[img]http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/1103/mkmkmk/queereye.jpg'>

[Nic Thamaire]

Originally posted by rip
quote:
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Bill Maher put it perfectly: "At least the French have the balls to stand up to the Bush Administration, unlike the Democrats."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
how did the french stand up to the bush administration?


obviously you missed an episode!! ahaha

[DETO]

Originally posted by Mr. ABC
[img]http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/1103/mkmkmk/queereye.jpg'>

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[king kong]

:lol: :lol:

[boxcarwilly]

Originally posted by Smart


But still, all you guys can come up with is hate for Bush? How about a little gratitude for the knowledge that the man directly responsible for the deaths of a half million of his followers will never be able to kill on that scale ever again?

not only is bush a moron but he is probably the most corrupt politician ever, things like halliburton getting exclusive bids on rebuilding iraq. think about who his dad is, and think about who financed his "slaughter"... it all just works out too well... personally i think its all a industrial light and magic hoax... give spielberg a composite picture of a couple iraqi gents... and youve got enough material for a trilogy.

i think that if the ilm vein isnt your style, you could wait until august 04 and wait to see who else gets caught in a cave...

*disclaimer* smart this isnt a personal attack on you at all.. we have had several disagreements... i will always see you as they conservative leftist and you will always see me as the person who wont fit on the scale... which is better anyway those scales are oppressive man.


as for comparing saddam to hitler or stalin, its not hard to compare the bush family to those same outstanding people, sanctions on places like cuba and palestine and china have prevented the technological and sociological development that is necessary for the moral growth of humanity, oh it also leads to mass starvation, murderous food rationing squads... sweet... think outside of the box. the us kills more people every day than saddam killed in his entire merc career. *and i really can provide the evidence for that just dont make me im tired.

as for saddam as a rat... hes got the books hes got the balls to prove to the international community that all their hopes and fears are true if you do decide what america is doing is wrong they will make you look like a fucking idiot, i guarantee you saddam can pull out a shipping receipt for at least three apache helicopters signed by ollie north or george senior... the us supported the genocide in iraw, saddam could have been a bad man *if he exists* but i think that the kingpin is a hell of a lot worse than the dealer, the dealers just trying to stay alive, and the kingpins taking directions from the thirteen jewish men in the illuminati...

how you like them apples refute away minions.

[23578]

no doubt boxcarwilly, no doubt.

[Smart]

Halliburton Disputes Overcharge Claim

WASHINGTON

Vice President Dick Cheney's former company said Thursday it has saved the Pentagon money rather than overcharging for fuel delivered to Iraq as Defense Department auditors have alleged.

Meanwhile, Sen. Joe Lieberman, a Democratic presidential contender, said a Pentagon official had told him Halliburton auditors also had warned the company about possible overcharging.

Halliburton said in a statement it expected to be cleared by the Defense Department of overcharging for gasoline it trucked into Iraq from Kuwait. Last week, Pentagon auditors said they suspected a Halliburton subsidiary, KBR, had overcharged the department by about $61 million on a no-bid contract to supply gasoline to Iraqi citizens.

Pentagon officials said the source of the overcharging was the high price charged by a Kuwaiti firm which supplied the gas to Halliburton. Halliburton said the Kuwaiti firm was the only one approved as a supplier by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which oversees the contract.

Pentagon officials have also said the Kuwaiti company was the only one approved by the Kuwaiti government to export gasoline from the oil-rich monarchy. Lieberman identified the firm as the Altanmia Commercial Marketing Co.

Halliburton said it had suggested getting gasoline supplies from Turkey, which charged a lower price. Pentagon auditors said Halliburton charged $1.09 per gallon more for gasoline from Kuwait than from Turkey.

Turkey is now the source of about two-thirds of the gasoline distributed in Iraq, Halliburton said. Using the Turkish supplier instead of the Kuwaiti firm has saved the U.S. government about $164 million, Halliburton said.

Lieberman said he met with Michael Thibault, an official with the Defense Contract Audit Agency, which is investigating the Halliburton contract. Lieberman said Thibault told him DCAA auditors found a Halliburton draft audit warning that the Kuwaiti company was charging excessive prices and the procedures may have violated U.S. contracting regulations.

Halliburton spokeswoman Wendy Hall did not return telephone and e-mail messages seeking comment on Lieberman's allegations. Thibault did not return a telephone message left at his office.

Halliburton's statement said the gasoline from Kuwait also cost more because it had to be trucked farther in dangerous territory. Three Halliburton drivers have been killed, 10 employees wounded and 60 pieces of equipment damaged in attacks on fuel convoys, the company said.

Pentagon officials declined comment on Halliburton's statement but confirmed the company had sent its response to Defense Department auditors.

Last week, President Bush said he thought Halliburton had overcharged and he expected the company to reimburse the government.

Democrats have criticized Halliburton's contracts in Iraq, which have netted the company about $5 billion this year. Several Democrats in Congress have called for further investigation of the company and its Iraq contracts.

Cheney headed Halliburton from 1995 until he quit in 2000 to become Bush's running mate. He has said he severed all ties with the company.

Halliburton got its contract to rebuild Iraq's dilapidated oil industry as an outgrowth of a contract with the Army. It was to provide emergency logistical help for situations such as the Iraq war. The Corps of Engineers opened the oil rebuilding process to competitive bidding earlier this year and is preparing to award $2 billion in replacement contracts.






*See everyone, it's just a silly misunderstanding... They're NOT ripping us off and pimping the Iraqis, They're SAVING US MONEY and pimping the Iraqis... well, I guess we've all learned something... really makes you think, huh?

[23578]

And look guys, Joe Leiberman isn't the whiny, sniveling, loser, bastard, hater we all thought he was. He was trying to SAVE us money. And Bush, he didn't know anything about it, and neither did Cheney, he's broken ALL TIES with the company. Who was that company anyway, hallitosis, what, i forgot.