the american execution video

[Scott Baio]

ok, just acouple of things i wanted to add.
The link between Berg and Moussaoui is QUITE a coincidence.
The story says that Berg was in Iraq doing "freelance telecommunications construction" yet he was not linked with any corporate backing or affiliation. What? did i just hear that right. How the fuck are you going to do any type of telecomunications work, like building telephone poles, or whatever the fuck they said he was doing. without any type of corporate affiliation? ALso, How the fuck did he get into Iraq? That shit is ridiculous, they haven't let a commercial flights into bahgdad since the befor the war kicked off. I wasn't even aware that the US lets just anyone into iraq who wants to do freelance construction.
Also, he went to North Africa to do some shit like that before... I'm sorry but this guy has CIA written all over him. or something, somethings not right. Theres no way you can be an american just trapesing around Iraq right now. if he wasnt some US intelllegence then he must have had some phony documents or credentials, something. You would be stopped every 2 seconds over there. And he was in Iraqi police custody and US custody at one point. Even if the US would just let you ride, Why the fuck wouldn't you just get the fuck out of there, he knew that they kidnap and murder americans for sport over there.
Yes its fucked up to see that shit (I heard it was made with one of those new camera/video phones), but you really have to look at this from a critical angle, especially when the media, is like "oh look at these crazy muslim chopping everyones heads off",
Fuck that,this whole thing just seems to weird.

[timemachine]

mos def fucked i seen it when it furst came out

[timemachine]

and how do they know that it was this al-queada guy anyways? i mean isnt it always a coincidence for the us government that the terrorists wear masks all the time

i dont belivbe that that guy is innocent at all

[ODS-1]

If you read the CIA torture handbooks it actually tailors techniques to what's degrading to the culture. For example the Piles of naked men violates like to sexuality and tradition of islamic males. Like the shit in Argentina about the green cars.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Originally posted by BROWNer

the Army's Foreign Intelligence Assistance Program, codenamed "Project X".

Best codename EVER.

[dime sack]

u do realize how much thats fucking discusting...no human should EVER do shit like that man. u think their fucking god is giving them a thumbs up? for all we know, theres just one god, and people just have different visions..whatever, fuck iraq. why did white people gotta fuck up a good piece of land?

[duh-rye-won]

Originally posted by dime sack
u do realize how much thats fucking discusting...no human should EVER do shit like that man. u think their fucking god is giving them a thumbs up? for all we know, theres just one god, and people just have different visions..whatever, fuck iraq. why did white people gotta fuck up a good piece of land?

well that was just jam packed with well thought out, intelligent comments.

[hatetown]

Or Nick Berg set the whole thing up and made it look like he was dead so he could start a new life as a grapefruit soda vender in Morocco. Thats just my theory. And I'm out of beer. :dazed:

[WhiteOx]

Originally posted by Scott Baio
ok, just acouple of things i wanted to add.
The link between Berg and Moussaoui is QUITE a coincidence.
The story says that Berg was in Iraq doing "freelance telecommunications construction" yet he was not linked with any corporate backing or affiliation. What? did i just hear that right. How the fuck are you going to do any type of telecomunications work, like building telephone poles, or whatever the fuck they said he was doing. without any type of corporate affiliation? ALso, How the fuck did he get into Iraq? That shit is ridiculous, they haven't let a commercial flights into bahgdad since the befor the war kicked off. I wasn't even aware that the US lets just anyone into iraq who wants to do freelance construction.
Also, he went to North Africa to do some shit like that before... I'm sorry but this guy has CIA written all over him. or something, somethings not right. Theres no way you can be an american just trapesing around Iraq right now. if he wasnt some US intelllegence then he must have had some phony documents or credentials, something. You would be stopped every 2 seconds over there. And he was in Iraqi police custody and US custody at one point. Even if the US would just let you ride, Why the fuck wouldn't you just get the fuck out of there, he knew that they kidnap and murder americans for sport over there.
Yes its fucked up to see that shit (I heard it was made with one of those new camera/video phones), but you really have to look at this from a critical angle, especially when the media, is like "oh look at these crazy muslim chopping everyones heads off",
Fuck that,this whole thing just seems to weird.


its possible but dont assume anything. you must realise that in actual truth you are completely ignorant about that subject

[WhiteOx]

Originally posted by mullet
Am i reading what i think im reading or is this ^^on another subject?

Eeerrr what the hell are you talking about hes murder wasnt "quik"
The guys head was hacked with a knife(probably not the sharpest one)

if you think about it there aren't many ways to die quicker then having your throat cut

[HYDRO BILL]

I disagree.^^^
they had guns, no?

[WhiteOx]

Originally posted by WhiteOx
GETTING SHOT TO DEATH IN ANYWHERE BUT THE BRAIN IS SLOWER

silence

[S@T@N]

BULLSHIT MAN UMA THURMAN JUST SLEPT FOR 4 YEARS FROM A BULLET
TO THE BRAIN MAN LOLZ HAHA


Just kidding. Really though, let's say he was dead (which he more than
likely was.) Do you think whatever death he had was painless and
without suffering? No fucking way. To knock him off and make his body
convincingly look alive, their choices for killing were limited. Gunshot
to the brain is the one that was impossible, because after the sinus is
exploded you've got one hell of a mess to clean up.

They either:

1) Smothered him to death, which would absolutely suck.

2) Broke his neck, which does not guarantee instant death.

3) Poisoned him, which was most likely painful as fuck.


Obviously there are more, but you can see how a painless death was
definitely not in the lineup. Think about it: If you have a detainee whose
corpse you are willing to defile on television, you probably don't have the
compassion to give the man an easy death.

[mental invalid]

"BUT HIS MURDER WAS QUICK.."



they sawed his fucking head of with a fucking steak knife mangs...


and your point eludes me to begin with...

[seeking]

i know it's been covered by others, but to the dumb ass with the selective reading, i wasn't saying eh wasn't dead, i was saying that it looked like he was dead before they cut his head off.

the fact that he was even in the country at all is incredibly suspect. you can't just 'show up' there. you'd have to fly into a neighboring country and then drive in. someone should investigate (or make public) the details of him being there. that would be interesting. also, if the cops detained him for questioning, they're not just going to let him go and walk out the door. they would want him to leave immediately, and would probably escourt him out of the country.

this whole thing is a crock of shit.


seeks/killing hope

[villain]

It takes about something like 2 min to bleed to death from having your throat cut. There's a guy in detroit who had his cut from ear to ear and he's still alive and well.
Especially as medicine gets better. I was saying to BROWNer the other night that if we didn't have body armor and better medical care our casualty rates would be alot more in line with vietnam levels. Instead we have a bunch of amputees and people with shrapnel in their bodies and crap. We have about 10,000 injured in this war already.

[BROWNer]

since this has turned to speculation and conspiracy thinking, somebody
on the weekend told me flat out that they think this whole thing went
down at abu graib, which they thought explained why he was still in the
detainee garb, the chair thing and the walls blahblah..
wouldn't that be nice and fucked up?

[villain]

Originally posted by BROWNer
since this has turned to speculation and conspiracy thinking, somebody
on the weekend told me flat out that they think this whole thing went
down at abu graib, which they thought explained why he was still in the
detainee garb, the chair thing and the walls blahblah..
wouldn't that be nice and fucked up?


Hell Yes.

The world is absolutely insane. And I thought it was just me.... pfftt....

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by El Mamerro
Best codename EVER.

:lol: yea, pretty cheesz.

[Scott Baio]

Originally posted by WhiteOx
its possible but dont assume anything. you must realise that in actual truth you are completely ignorant about that subject

True, but you are just as ignorant as i am. The truth is that nobody will ever know what really happened.

[Poop Man Bob]

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[WhiteOx]

Originally posted by Scott Baio
True, but you are just as ignorant as i am. The truth is that nobody will ever know what really happened.

i dont dispute that for a second

;)

[mental invalid]

raping retarded donkeys



*chuckles*

[Paisa]

I SAW THIS VID FOR THE FIRST TIME YESTERDAY...
IT WAS VERY UPSETTING... :mad:
BUT WHAT WAS EVEN MORE FRUSTRATING WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THESE GANGSTA ASS FUCKS WERE UTTERING PRIOR TO THE EXECUTION... THEY SPOKE FOR ABOUT SOME FIVE MINS. IN THEIR LANGUAGE... AND THEN THEY PROCEEDED TO YELL LIKE SOME SAVAGE ANIMALS AS THEY DID THEIR DEED!!! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT WAS SAID BY THEM IN THEIR READINGS??? ID LIKE TO KNOW...

[nomadawhat]

I read some of the conspiracy theories a few pages back and i didn't read much after those so sorry if this has been stated. But if these are not al-queda soldiers don't you think al-queda and the man they are blaming for the beheading may release some statement saying it was not them. Sure they may think its a great thing but that just makes me wonder... I don't put it beyond the US to set something up but it seems as though we may of heard some denial. just a thought. who knows.

[BROWNer]

this may be of interest..


Torture 101
Celerino “Cele” Castillo III, _May 18, 2004
http://www.guerrillanews.com/human_rights/doc4492.html

Editor's Note: As the Abu Ghraib scandal widens, the Bush administration is sticking to its mantra, “This is not America.” But in this essay sent to us by veteran deep cover operative Celerino “Cele” Castillo III offers a stark reminder of this country’s true legacy of the use of torture. Castillo knows what he’s talking about. A 20-year veteran of state and federal law enforcement, Castillo spent twelve years in the Drug Enforcement Administration, working undercover in Central and South America during the 1980s. While in El Salvador, he found himself smack in the middle of another Bush’s illegal war. He discovered that drug sales authorized by the CIA were being used to fund the brutal and corrupt Nicaraguan Contra army. He also found out firsthand that the use of torture is not limited to the world's so-called "evildoers." He sent us these thoughts on Abu Ghraib, the Nick Berg killing and the connections between the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror":

“We’re going to ask you some questions. If you give an answer we like, we’ll let you smoke. If we don’t like the answer, we’ll burn you. The anticipation was worse than the burns.” - A CIA agent and his goon squad torturing an American nun Diana Ortiz, by burning her 75 times with a cigarette.

Photos of humiliated, helpless Iraqi prisoners flood the nation’s front pages, computer screens and high-definition televisions. Here we are once again, caught in the act of what is known as “what we do best”. It is no longer the image of Saddam’s statue tipping over – it’s an American female warrior with an Iraqi prisoner on a leash. Forget about winning the hearts and minds of not only the Iraqi people but also the entire world.

The CIA got the “green light” to implement torture, authorized by a set of secret rules for the interrogation of high-level Al Qaeda prisoners. These secret rules were endorsed by the Justice Department after they had been adopted by the Bush administration after the Sept. 11 attacks. These tortures were the results of several murders committed by the CIA.

There is no doubt, in my mind, that the CIA was involved in the murder of Nick Berg, the America who was executed in Iraq. There is a history of how the CIA has a way of staging murders of Americans, so that the enemy takes a fall from it. My opinion is that the CIA found that Nick was getting to close to some Iraqis, which made him an automatic target of the CIA. According to his family, he had been detained by American intelligence and later disappeared.

I saw it time and time again in the 1980s in Central American. Our government has staged several events where it attempted to implicate Nicaragua government in drug trafficking. The CIA was also implicated in the torture of an American nun in Guatemala. And in El Salvador, it had staged the murder of Jesuits priests. The FMLN were supposed to have to taken the fall for the murders, but it backfired on the CIA. A U.S. military adviser, who accompanies the Salvadorian soldiers, gave up the U.S. involvement. Once again, in my opinion, Berg’s murder was set up to enrage the American people in support of what American is doing to the prisoners in Iraq.

During my childhood, my parents and grandparents has instilled in me to, “be righteous in everything I did.” That was always in the back of my mind when I started to see all these atrocities of torturing people. For the first time in my life, I felt ashamed to be an American. After my complaints went unanswered, I started to take pictures of the violations. Why take the photos? Because I knew what United States government was permitting, was criminally wrong. I remember complaining to CIA agent Randy Capister and his respond was that, “that’s what happens in third world countries.” I warned him, that these atrocities were going to come back and bit us in the ass. He stated that they had been conducting these atrocities for years and no one has ever stopped them. Moreover, in a way he was right.

In 1985, Kike Camarena, a DEA agent in Mexico, was tortured and buried alive by CIA assets. Horribly, his torture was recorded. I still remember listening to the audiotapes, where he asked for his life to be spared because of his children. I could also hear the use of the buzzer’ (la chicharra) being administered to him. La chicharra is an electric prod attached to the eyes, gums, tongue, nipples and genitals of their victims. The main question remains of to why the CIA agents (handlers) were never held accountable for his torture and cover up. There was too much to lose because the U.S. government had just trained the Nicaragua “Contras” in a Guadalajara ranch owned by one of the biggest drug cartels in Mexico.

In 1989, while working as a missionary in Guatemala, Sister Dianna Ortiz, an American Ursuline, was abducted by security forces and brutally tortured. Her case attracted international attention—not because it was so unusual, but because she escaped to reveal the details, and most important, the implication that the man who intervened with her captors was an American CIA agent by the name of Randy Capister.

Sister Diana Ortiz has identified Randy Capister as the American who questioned her during her interrogation.

"I looked again. Two words drummed inside me until I spoke them: 'It’s him.' I didn’t want to cry, but I felt myself being pulled back into that November day, and the sobs came." - Sister Dianna Ortiz

The term ‘torture’ means any act by which severe pain and suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purpose as obtaining from him information or a confession. It is use to obtain information, extract confessions or break down a community. But experienced interrogators know that they usually can’t tell if what the subject says under torture or humiliation is true, because the subject will say what he or she thinks will end the torture. Clearly, the impunity that allows torture in the first place also acknowledges that murder is permissible. Torture is not a remote phenomenon. It lurks beneath the surface wherever power is exercised without transparency and accountability. One individual acting in the belief that he has authority to inflict pain upon another is a manifestation of power at its crudest, when those who control a society feel they have the right to insist that all opposition should be silenced. Torture is most likely to occur in a society where the government attempts to assert total control over the citizenry. This is what the United States has allowed to occur in most of the third world countries it has gotten involved with.

The kind of character produced in American democratic society cannot be counted on to insulate its citizens from brutality and inhumane treatment at the direction of a malevolent authority. A substantial proportion of people do what they are told to do, irrespective of the content of the act and without limitations of conscience, so long as they perceive that the command comes from a legitimate authority. That is why we do want we do best.

There can never be any justification for torture, because it creates an escalation of violence in the internal affairs of states. It spreads like a contagious disease from country to country. It also has lasting effects on the mental and physical health of the victim, and brutalizes the torture. So why do we do it? For one, because there has never been any “check or balance” and as long as you aren’t caught, it’s acceptable. We also tend to turn a blind eye to the pain and violence inflicted upon those who depend upon us in every way. Torture and terror can quickly become their method of demonstrating unquestioning loyalty. Furthermore, once the security forces are given the “green light” to seek out and destroy dissidents, the citizenry are given a license to become informers and agents provocateurs.

What is the solution to these atrocities? When a crime under international law is subject to universal jurisdiction, state, which finds on its territory a person suspected of committing this crime, may bring the suspect to trial, no matter where the crime occurred. Period! Arrest anyone who not only committed these atrocities but those who permitted it and took those extra steps to cover it up.

President Clinton made front-page headlines in 1999 saying, “What we did in Guatemala was wrong.” Are a few words all we owe when we created and maintained an army that slaughtered hundreds of thousands? With that sort of impunity, it has given us permission to do it again. And we most definitely have.

And still, in any bureaucracy of repression, there are personnel schooled in the ideological attitudes necessary to keep such systems in operation. In some cases this schooling takes place literally, for example at the infamous once known as the School of Americans based at Fort Benning in Georgia, otherwise known as the ‘school for dictators’ or ‘La escuela del golpe’ (the coup school). The U. S. gets to train death squads’ leaders from Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, and other third world countries. One of their lectures is Torture 101, accompanied with a manual. After they graduate, they return to their own country and with the assistance of the CIA and DEA, they get to implement these techniques.

TORTURE is a crime under federal law. When a U.S. national conspires, attempts, or commits torture outside of the United States, he can be sentenced to 20 years in prison. If his victim dies, the perpetrator can receive life in prison or the death penalty.

Celerino “Cele” Castillo III is the author of "Powderburns: Cocaine, Contras and the Drug War." He is a 20 veteran of law enforcement. Watch Cele in GNN's Sundance award-winning NewsVideo Crack the CIA (http://www.guerrillanews.com/crack/).

[villain]

http://www.projectcensored.org/

[Scott Baio]

Originally posted by chingon
I SAW THIS VID FOR THE FIRST TIME YESTERDAY...
IT WAS VERY UPSETTING... :mad:
BUT WHAT WAS EVEN MORE FRUSTRATING WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THESE GANGSTA ASS FUCKS WERE UTTERING PRIOR TO THE EXECUTION... THEY SPOKE FOR ABOUT SOME FIVE MINS. IN THEIR LANGUAGE... AND THEN THEY PROCEEDED TO YELL LIKE SOME SAVAGE ANIMALS AS THEY DID THEIR DEED!!! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT WAS SAID BY THEM IN THEIR READINGS??? ID LIKE TO KNOW...

they were yelling "akbar allah" which means "god is great" in arabic.