the american execution video

[Fabo 2]

so I couldn't resist watching
fuck me it's horrible

[Jackson]

easy, yea its eld.
You got a link for it, I know its in the other thread somewhere but its surrounded by preachin'.

[sneak]

gruesome.

[Fr8Junkie]

www.ogrish.com (http://www.ogrish.com)

[BROWNer]

^ that shit ain't workin' for me..

[Fondles]

yeah....thats fucked up...

[Crimsøn]

Damn you Windows media files!!

[Fr8Junkie]

the link works for me. i wonder why it doesnt work for you

[phels]

shits wrong but america/uk dont seem to be actin much better

[T=E=A=S=E]

edit- thought this shit was about us killing them vids...

about this one: shit looks fake to me... even though it may not be, or isnt even... mehhhh could be worse.

[MrChupacabra]

Originally posted by T=E=A=S=E
how deep is the whole we've dug for ourselves now?

[S@T@N]

I've seen and heard some fucked up shit, but I'm not gonna act tough on
this one. That shit was just terrible, and I think if I was at all involved in
something like that I'd have to kill myself from the guilt.

[Poop Man Bob]

Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't plan on watching it. I have no desire to watch someone's head get cut off.

[!@#$%]

after the incessant replays of 9/11, i got really numb.

that shit really turned me off of voyeurism and morbid curiosity.

shit, i still remember daniel pearl.

i don't want to watch it either.

[<KEY3>]

I make a point NOT to watch some things.

Paris Hilton - Sure
Americas Funniest Home Videos - Not really
Shit that is pre-approved for rotten.com - Not if I can help it.

[imported_Tesseract]

I watched it on TV, semi pixelated...i got the creeps...how the fuck

[Pfffffffffft]

the man just got his head cut off....
so foul, so unremorsful.. :nope:

[BROWNer]

tune in tonight folks:

CBS to Air U.S. Soldier's Video Diary of Iraq Abuse
By REUTERS

Published: May 11, 2004

Filed at 8:20 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An American soldier's video diary showing her disdain for Iraqi detainees who died in her charge is to be broadcast by a U.S. network on Wednesday in a further escalation of the prisoner abuse scandal that has shaken the Bush administration and provoked world outrage.

CBS, which two weeks ago broadcast the first pictures of Iraqi prisoners being abused in Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, said on Tuesday its ``60 Minutes II'' program would show video footage depicting conditions there and at another U.S.-run prison in southern Iraq called Camp Bucca.

Photographs of Iraqi prisoners being sexually humiliated, threatened by dogs and piled into pyramids as grinning American soldiers look on have been published round the world, dealing a major setback to U.S. attempts to stabilize Iraq.

The Pentagon has said that it has more pictures and video of abuse that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has warned may be even more shocking.

An Islamic Web site said on Tuesday that an American civilian, Nick Berg from Philadelphia, had been beheaded by an al Qaeda leader in Iraq in revenge for the ``Satanic degradation'' of Iraqi prisoners.

CBS said the home video did not show scenes of abuse but included comments by the soldier, whose name was not revealed to protect her identity, that make clear her dislike for the camp and the prisoners under her control.

``I hate it here,'' she said on the tape. ``I want to come home. I want to be a civilian again. We actually shot two prisoners today. One got shot in the chest for swinging a pole against our people on the feed team. One got shot in the arm. We don't know if the one we shot in the chest is dead yet.''

In her video, the soldier described the hazards of Camp Bucca. ``This is a sand viper,'' she said. ``One bite will kill you in six hours. We've already had two prisoners die of it, but who cares? That's two less for me to worry about.''

The soldier said about three prisoners broke out of the camp every week, but they did not try to escape when she was on duty.

``It's 'cause they are scared of me,'' she said. ``I actually got in trouble the other day because I was throwing rocks at them.''

CBS said another soldier spoke of a chaotic situation at Camp Bucca with a dangerously low ratio of guards to prisoners.

Tim Canjar, who was discharged from the military for abusing Iraqi prisoners, said that during one disturbance ``at one point, it was me and another soldier guarding. I was watching 535 prisoners on my side ... The prisoners started hitting us.''

Fellow soldier Lisa Girman, who was discharged with Canjar, said commanders ignored the problems at Camp Bucca.

She complained of ``the ignorance of the chain of command not to listen to the person who was actually on the front line.''

Girman's and Canjar's families tried to draw attention to the problems at Camp Bucca last year. They called Rumsfeld's office repeatedly and talked to his staff, but got no response, CBS said. Their letters to the White House and two senators were also unanswered.

Girman and Canjar, and a third soldier, Scott McKenzie, were discharged for punching and kicking Iraqi prisoners. They have vowed to appeal the decision and want the U.S. Congress to investigate.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-i...buse-video.html (http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-iraq-abuse-video.html)

[$360]

fuck the world.


drink to forget.

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by Tesseract
I watched it on TV, semi pixelated...i got the creeps...how the fuck

it was aired on tv in greece?:(

[imported_Tesseract]

on a sidenote...this whole thing is just horrible..fuck this war..when i saw the video i remembered kabars reply on the torture thread

Originally posted by KaBar2
Do you guys remember way back when the invasion of Afghanistan started, and I said that any al-Quaida guerrillas captured would talk, one way or another? Do you remember when I said that that flight from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay in a C-130, chained to the deck, was a looong flight across the Atlantic? You don't suppose they "lost" any prisoners over the tailgate ramp, do ya?

Do you remember when I said that the CIA and Delta Force and the Special Forces were probably smoking al-Quaida guerrillas in cafe's and coffee shops in cities all over the world?

I'd say these guys are really fucking sorry they ever fucked with the United States. But at least they are still alive, and if they know what's good for them, they will sing like canaries. And if they won't, I hope they can swim, cause it's a long way back.

You guys are always talking about "gangsta this" and "gangsta that."

Well THIS is the real deal. Anybody that fucks with us will profoundly regret it. That's REAL gangsta, not some pretend bad ass poseur in a low-rider Buick.

You want to see "hard?" This ^^^ is hard. "NO MERCY." Believe it.


So now, the iraqi kabar feels exactly the same way....so this is war gentlemen, worst thing ever.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by BROWNer
it was aired on tv in greece?:(

You can see clearly the part where the dude stands on the orange jumpsuit (a pun to guandanamo bay prisoner uniform) when the executioner brings out the knive its got strongly pixelated to the point it doesnt make sense but since you know they chopped his head you kinda follow up...horrible

[imported_Tesseract]

dude hop on aim, the chick ruled me out of the other thing

[Scrabble]

They aired it here too (US)
You'd be suprised as to what they'll show on tv

[Swiffer Jet]

was this guy alive while they killed him?

[JasonWhit]

explain how you kill a dead man?

[Pistol]

dude this shit was pretty fuckin sick.
this shit is disturbing.

[S@T@N]

Yeah, man. He had NO IDEA what was going on. Like you can tell from
him just sitting there with a kind of blank look on his face, then they
pull him down to one side (from kneeling position) and get to work on
his neck with a knife that was apparently much less than sharp.

[nomadawhat]

no thank you. i watched some link from 12oz before of someone getting beheaded... and i hope i never have to see something like that again. its bad enough i have been listenening to people talk about it on talk radio most of the day and reading about it. these people calling in are sooo stupid, it is killing me and pissing me off.

swif, yes he was alive.

[Swiffer Jet]

so i finally decided to view the clip and have one thing to say...

DAMN, THAT'S HATEFUL

[nomadawhat]

[img]http://www.rferl.org/images/photo/bush4.jpg'>
"i love to say it --- i told you so!.... al-queda is in iraq. they are connected. I KNEW IT!! the war is justified!!... again."

[Zaius]

this shit is way too fucked up for me.

aint no way im whatchin that video.

[BROWNer]

well, i tried to dl it..i don't know why. i was glad it didn't work.
then i read pmb's thing and realized i wasn't too keen to see it
either. then my bro dl's the shit and i walk in just before the screams.
if you haven't seen it, don't even bother. it gives
you a seriously fucked up feeling that you'll regret.
i don't want to rewatch it, but does he start to scream before they
even touch him?

[GamblersGrin]

http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content...=1&page=1&fav=0 (http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=34947&type=1&page=1&fav=0)

i posted it in the outrage thread. its better quality than ogrish's.

[Zaius]

i pray for justice. karma will have its way.

it is not my place to decide who deserves to die if anyone therefore id like to say rest in peace to all lives lost in these terrible times.

fuck war.

[casekonly]

i just watched that video. i'm not sure why.
i feel bad that his family has to deal with this
being all over the net now. r.i.p.

[decu goldyn1]

shits crazy
its a media war too
first the photo's now someone pulls out this video
i bet its going to justify the war for some people and bush will regain supporters ahhh
i'm sensing a guliani coming up

[LaCosaNostra]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't plan on watching it. I have no desire to watch someone's head get cut off. me too, i do not desire to watch somebody get beheaded...

[me IS cool]

oh god I regret watching that video. When they started the act my face got all tense and I felt a hatred for those men, mainly because nobody deserves that.

[dr.testical]

i d like to see what was going on before they beheaded him. and what exactly they were all saying while he wasbeing beheaded

[EyeforAnEYE]

i think they were saying "god is good" or something to that effect. I'm not going to watch that video.

[ODS-1]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't plan on watching it. I have no desire to watch someone's head get cut off. I'd have to say I'm in that minority too. Once I saw a fucked up picture and it kinda fucked me up for the rest of the day.

[~KRYLON2~]

the world is going to hell........we need some truth and leadership to pull us through this one

[Abracadabra]

um, i doubt they showed this on american tv (being the propeghanda machine it is) but did any of you see the guy's dad talking about what happened? did you hear about his son getting arrested and held with no charge in iraq, then being released? he should have actually been home before now, and had it not been for the army screwing him around and locking him up for nothing, he would still have a head on his shoulders. oh, and did they translate the bit where the killers said they tried to negotiate a hostage trade, but the army weren't having it? kinda funny now they're offering like $14,000,000 to anyone who can help capture the murderer. could have put that money into health care or education for americans if they had just traded em for an iraqi or two. oh well, politicians have turd for brains.



yay for war! makes loads of sense!

[Zaius]

that sounds too ridiculous to be true but you never know.

before i knew what i was whatching i saw the first few seonds of the video clip and there was a close of the american saying something but i didnt have the sound on and now im not really trying to whatch any of it again..

anyone catch what he said?

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by Zaius
before i knew what i was whatching i saw the first few seonds of the video clip and there was a close of the american saying something but i didnt have the sound on and now im not really trying to whatch any of it again..

anyone catch what he said?

you mean the bit where the hostage is just saying his name and the names of some of his family?

[decu goldyn1]

i think american tv would show the vid because of the pro.. machine that it is
has this video taken your mind off the iraqi prisoner abuse?

[Nekro]

I have absolutely no desire to watch that video.

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by decu goldyn1
has this video taken your mind off the iraqi prisoner abuse?

not after watching that snotty bitch (the one in the photos) smiling all the way thru her interview like it's all a big joke. when asked if they'd done worse things to the prisoners than what was shown in the photos she says "yes" with a big ol' smile on her face. i didn't realise torturing and humiliating people was a big joke

[26SidedCube]

Originally posted by S@T@N
Yeah, man. He had NO IDEA what was going on. Like you can tell from
him just sitting there with a kind of blank look on his face, then they
pull him down to one side (from kneeling position) and get to work on
his neck with a knife that was apparently much less than sharp.

Yeah, basically.

I'm glad everyone agrees this shit is nuts. I can
watch Banned from TV and see people get shot
from afar or random bull-stompings, this however
couldn't be viewed twice. To be able to do that...
[/heebeegeebees]

I think he thought they were just going to
make one of those hostage videos, poor guy.
Notice they came at it from the back... that sucks.

:shook:

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by Mr. ABC
not after watching that snotty bitch (the one in the photos) smiling all the way thru her interview like it's all a big joke. when asked if they'd done worse things to the prisoners than what was shown in the photos she says "yes" with a big ol' smile on her face. i didn't realise torturing and humiliating people was a big joke

You mean the girl-boy?

[img]http://www.signonsandiego.com/teaserimages/040512england.jpg'>

I find it ironic that the entire military is attempting to pin the torture on her and a half-dozen or so other reverists and low-ranking soldiers, yet she still wouldn't name who in her command structure ordered her to "pose in the pictures," as she said. When asked who ordered her, she only says "persons in my chain of command" and no more.

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
You mean the girl-boy?

[img]http://www.signonsandiego.com/teaserimages/040512england.jpg'>

I find it ironic that the entire military is attempting to pin the torture on her and a half-dozen or so other reverists and low-ranking soldiers, yet she still wouldn't name who in her command structure ordered her to "pose in the pictures," as she said. When asked who ordered her, she only says "persons in my chain of command" and no more.

yeah, girl boy. well, let her take the rap for some higher ranking toss-pots if she wants. the dumbass.

she should just pass it up the line. eventually it'll go all the way up to gwb, then he'll be screwed, have tomatoes thrown at him in the street, and the world will be saved! yay!

[High Priest]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
You mean the girl-boy?

[img]http://www.signonsandiego.com/teaserimages/040512england.jpg'>

I find it ironic that the entire military is attempting to pin the torture on her and a half-dozen or so other reverists and low-ranking soldiers, yet she still wouldn't name who in her command structure ordered her to "pose in the pictures," as she said. When asked who ordered her, she only says "persons in my chain of command" and no more.

Thats a woman?

[Abracadabra]

on a side-note:

i think 12oz could use some animated girl-boy and tease dancing gifs. a bit of light relief for the masses. maybe her baby belongs to tease! :eek:

[sarcasm]

Originally posted by Scrabble
They aired it here too (US)
You'd be suprised as to what they'll show on tv


any yet they triped out over janet jackson's boobie..whatthefuck

[Zaius]

Originally posted by Mr. ABC
you mean the bit where the hostage is just saying his name and the names of some of his family?
that musta have been it..
thats horrible.

[T=E=A=S=E]

[img]http://www.12ozprophet.com/ubb/icons/icon27.gif'>

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by High Priest
Thats a woman?

Yep. Her:

[img]http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/abuse1.jpg'>

As I said .. girl-boy.

[26SidedCube]

[img]http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/kickasspogostick/mangirlsten.jpg'>

[seven.13]

I watched it.. Im not one who visits rotten.com or anything but I did.

So I don't forget how goddamn luck I am and that most of the world does not live in the land of milk and honey.

[Gunm]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't plan on watching it. I have no desire to watch someone's head get cut off. here here

[T.T Boy]

i dont want to see it.
this shit wont stop, until religion stops.

[BROWNer]

isn't mangina pregnant by one of the other people involved?
she was seriously smiling and shit? where did you guys see this interview?

mr. abc...that is mostly corroborated i believe. he was detained by
iraqi police which is apparently controlled by the CPA. from there, from
what i understand he was visited by military personnel as well as fbi agents.
the latter of that might be wrong, but fbi did visit his parents i believe.
somewhere along the line the military and the fbi had some direct and/or
indirect contact with dude. we'll see what surfaces...or not..

[BROWNer]

msnbc changed their headline of the story, but not the story.
originally it was a headline stating what the parents are charging,
that he was in US custody limbo.
now it reflects the governments line, 'US offered to help Berg leave'.

[BROWNer]

okay, for anyone interested, you can watch part of the 60 minutes II
report that's airing tonight, plus a segment of girl/boy's interview at
www.cbsnews.com (http://www.cbsnews.com) in their free video section..

[LaCosaNostra]

alota people on here should listen to Immortal Technique, hes got some freeesssh ass songs aout politics. this song fits this thread, pleease take the time to read it:

Talking]
Immortal Technique
Revolutionary Volume 2
Yeah, broadcasting live from Harlem, New York
Let the truth be known..

[Verse 1]
You better watch what the fuck flies outta ya mouth
Or I'ma hijack a plane and fly it into your house
Burn your apartment with your family tied to the couch
And slit your throat, so when you scream, only blood comes out
I doubt that there could ever be...a more wicked MC
'Cuz AIDs infested child molesters aren't sicker than me
I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black
The way the government downplays historical facts
'Cuz the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich
Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight
Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight
When I was a child, the Devil himself bought me a mic
But I refused the offer, 'cuz God sent me to strike
With skills unused like fallopian tubes on a dyke
My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden
As two separate parts of the same seven headed dragon
And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me
You think illuminati's just a fuckin conspiracy theory?
That's why Conservative racists are all runnin' shit
And your phone is tapped by the Federal Government
So I'm jammin' frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me
Technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently
Pack weapons illegally, because I'm never hesitant
Sniper scoping a commission controllin the president

[Hook]
Father, forgive them, for they don't know right from wrong
The truth will set you free, written down in this song
And the song has the Cause of Death written in code
The Word of God brought to life, that'll save ya soul..

Save ya soul motherfucker...save ya soul..

Yeah, yeah, yeah

[Verse 2]
I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence
Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence
Marines Corps. flat (?) vest, with the guns and ammo
Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano
Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line
Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind
They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics


But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
And then it disappeared from the news permanently
They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
"Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
Rockin a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero
Word to Ground Zero
The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
The New World Order was born on September 11

[Hook]

[Verse 3]
And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cuz he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fuckin leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggaz fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cuz then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die..

[Man talking]
He is scheduled for 60 Minutes next. He is going on
French, Italian, Japanese television. People
everywhere are starting to listen to him. It's embarassing

[2 blaazed]

i knew i was gonna see this here

[2 blaazed]

wats the name of that song

[oneeightyone]

IT's all fair in love and war.

No joke, it's war, if americans get pissy over this shit the whoever does need to have a hammer rammed in their ass.

This is war, americans have fought war since vietnam with buttons, this shit is war, i have no real remorse for watching that, and have no real remorse for the family of the guy, yea it sucks, whatever your kids dead. like i said, it's war.

It's Body Rock, you shoot mine ill shoot yours, we both lose in the end. I want to hand this video out to all those shmuck motherfuckers who kept on saying "sand nigger" and "bomb them". shit like that.

Maybe since i was in my country's civil war and lived through a hell some people will never face i have a different opinion on things.

It's whatever though, life moves on.

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by BROWNer
mr. abc...that is mostly corroborated i believe. he was detained by
iraqi police which is apparently controlled by the CPA. from there, from
what i understand he was visited by military personnel as well as fbi agents.
the latter of that might be wrong, but fbi did visit his parents i believe.
somewhere along the line the military and the fbi had some direct and/or
indirect contact with dude. we'll see what surfaces...or not..

yeah, from what his dad was saying i got the impression that the iraqi police arrested him and handed him over to the army. i guess his dad only got the info 2nd or 3rd hand and even then it was probably only a half-truth. the army will be trying to keep a lid on what actually happened and just divert attention to the "badguys".

i love this latest "enemies of freedom" tag that the "terrorists" have been given. it is fucking stupid. yeah, they don't want freedom for anyone. they woke up one morning on a sunny day and decided "lets go kill us some infidels". there were no other factors leading up to this state of play. none at all. stay tuned to fox news for all the latest updates on iraq and britney's new boyfriend. he's so dreamy

[Cracked Ass]

I heard Berg went to Iraq looking for work. (Sounds weird but there are some very high-paying jobs with Halliburton, etc. due to risky conditions.) He was arrested by Iraqi police for suspicious behavior near off-limits areas, but the US forces looked into it, decided he hadn't done anything wrong, and offered him free passage back to US, but he turned it down.
I wonder what the deal is with humans. Angry opponents, both saying "they hurt us, we'll hurt them back". And this sentiment is stronger than any of the involved parties' religious teachings, which they quote selectively to back their bellicosity. "God is on our side." Neither Christianity nor Islam condone beheadings, suicide bombings, etc. The human urge to spill blood does not arise from dogma, it is stronger than dogma. What is the point of such a destructive force which arises naturally in humans? Overpopulation control feature?

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by Cracked Ass
The human urge to spill blood does not arise from dogma, it is stronger than dogma. What is the point of such a destructive force which arises naturally in humans? Overpopulation control feature?

to strip it down to a darwinian level, this is probably the most likely explaination. lord knows (sic) that we could do with a few million less people on the planet

[effyoo]

Originally posted by Cracked Ass
bellicosity

nice word.

[T=E=A=S=E]

Originally posted by Cracked Ass
I wonder what the deal is with humans. Angry opponents, both saying "they hurt us, we'll hurt them back". And this sentiment is stronger than any of the involved parties' religious teachings, which they quote selectively to back their bellicosity. "God is on our side." Neither Christianity nor Islam condone beheadings, suicide bombings, etc. The human urge to spill blood does not arise from dogma, it is stronger than dogma. What is the point of such a destructive force which arises naturally in humans? Overpopulation control feature?

i think its just that when youre over there, its you vs them, you build up this hatred that is so violent and so in you because its your life or their life.

and when youre getting shot at, and blown up and having friends killed in your squad, im sure that shit gets you crazy pissed off, those guys and girls in your squad are your new family, so you care for them like they were family almost.

and i know if i was over there id be one trigger happy mother fucker, not because im racist or think im a bad ass, but id be so scared of who was a civilian and who was a "bad guy" that i wouldnt take many risks...

you jump out of some shit im checking out, or in a building hiding and spook me... shiiiiiiiiit, youre ass is getting lit the fuck up.

i know i got a lil off track, but i hope you guys see what im saying...

and even though these piks are dealing with our troops and captured enemies... that's exactly what im saying... even though they are harmless in those piks, im sure the troops hate them to no end...

and im not justifying beating them by any means, because that shit isnt right at all... but i could see how their extreme hatred towards those they fight against could lead them to doing the stupid shit they did...

(and who is dumb enough to take photos like that, and then let them get out to the news????) fucking idiots...

[Ferris Bueller]

it's just like this shit get's worse and worse each day, and it does.

[imported_dowmagik]

my mac doesnt want to play the file, anyone have any links where its an mpg?

[Mr. Peanut]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't plan on watching it. I have no desire to watch someone's head get cut off.
i'm with you on this one.
it really saddens me to think about how fucked up this world is. the only way for humanity to exist peacefully is to be completely whiped out.

[Mr. Peanut]

Originally posted by sarcasm
any yet they triped out over janet jackson's boobie..whatthefuck
...excellent point. the media is playing such a huge roll in humanity's downfall

[gnamla]

so an american civilian died during the iraq war so what? what about the 9000+ iraqi civilians that have died during the war? i mean sure saddam killed many more and needed to be gotten rid of but the price is starting to become unworth it in my opinion. but i think everyone is blowing this way out of proporsion 1 american civ. to over 9000 iraqi's?? come now.

[gfreshsushi]

i want to see the video, but i haven't found a file that my computer will let me play. the world is fucked, we're all doomed, etc. etc.

[EyeforAnEYE]

I remeber watching the Daniel Pearl video and being fucked up for the rest of the day. I'm not going to watch this one.

*Damn I'm dumb, I already started page two by saying the same thing. :p

[adderall]

totally fucked up.. consumption junction was hosting it but i heard they took it down

[CRAMPS]

i watched this movie a bunch of times now...its not the visuals that get me with this video (the quality sucks) but the sound of that mans screams...that always gets me.


i can watch a man get beheadded in silence no prob..but the sound...the choking as the knife rips through the neck....i just cant take it.



remember when someone posted that russian propaganda film of the dude getting his neck cut open up close with sound...when i saw that it did something to me...really fazed me...now everything els is just...nothing..but when i hear the screaming...burrrr..



can anyone get a link to the daniel peral video..i havent seen it.



god damn im sick.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by BROWNer
okay, for anyone interested, you can watch part of the 60 minutes II
report that's airing tonight, plus a segment of girl/boy's interview at
www.cbsnews.com (http://www.cbsnews.com) in their free video section..

Watched it, full of shit...i cant fuckin believe how 'people in her chain of command' arent exposed yet...i cant believe how they say its set up...i'm sure she got a kick out of it...i cant believe this things are happening

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by BROWNer
it was aired on tv in greece?:(

Fuck, i just fuckin downloaded it and now i can answer...the video aired -heavy pixelated like i said- has NOTHING to do with the original one...the part where the head is getting cut was not on TV, all you could see was the executioner taking out the knive and then a very blured-pixelated shot of him holding the head....
I'm not one with a weak stomach but i really feel sick right now..very sick.

[Zaius]

Originally posted by Mr. Peanut
the only way for humanity to exist peacefully is to be completely whiped out.

word.

[willy.wonka]

that was the most horrible thing i have ever seen..i couldnt bare to look at his face. i couldnt finish it

[Zaius]

a very interesting write up
not directly related to the topic of discussion but i still thought id share it with those who may have a common intrest in the realization of the plague known as the human race
check it out
essay entitled "The Damned Human Race"

http://www.geocities.com/quotequeen81/essa.../humanrace.html (http://www.geocities.com/quotequeen81/essays/humanrace.html)

(This was published in 1938.)

[HYDRO BILL]

^^^^This dude paints nicely


Rest In Peace
Nick Berg


Fuck religious fanatical intolerance.

[Brewster Baker]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't plan on watching it. I have no desire to watch someone's head get cut off. same here boss

[duh-rye-won]

Originally posted by EarMuffs
same here boss

me too. i know the world is fucked. i think about it all the time. i don't need nightmares about it too.

[Jackson]

I just watched the 8.2mb one from consumption junction. Hell.
I've seen worse, and I kinda thrive on this shit, in the one I watched there was a 3 min speech at the beginning, it gets pretty fucking intense then the beheading. Fuck man.

[mindvapors]

i remember bein curious enuff to watch the Daniel Pearl video...

that shit fucks up young minds.


but at the same time enlightens them.

[mindvapors]

Berg Decapitation Video
Declared A Fraud By Doctor:
http://www.rense.com/general52/decap.htm

They have sum good reasoning, but i havent watched it, and dont plan on it, so for those who did, keep these things into account and let us know ur ideas.

EDIT: i just realized that even if it is fake, hes still dead...
im horrible

[mindvapors]

also, this is interesting.

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?C...=-1#Post1468521 (http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=1468521&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post1468521)

sorry if im going off topic at all.

RIP Nick Berg

[imported_Tesseract]

Unless death is a result of pollitical BS

[ASER1NE]

I watched about half of it yesterday , then as soon as they started towards him i had to turn it off ............

[imported_Tesseract]

I dont support it either nor did i say you do, my point is that war, and this one in particular, is a huge pollitical BS to begin with.

I dont support war (especially this one)

[mental invalid]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't plan on watching it. I have no desire to watch someone's head get cut off.


*in the minority*


i keep asking myself, how do you win a war if your enemy is willing to cut off the heads of innocent civilians or strap a bomb to their chest. how can democracy possibly flurish if the soil is so poisoned with blood.

im in the mist of cognitive dissonant black hole...

something needs to change in that region, its a fucking mess
something needs to change in here at home, its a fucking mess

but not one of the world leaders of our modern age seem to have the arthurian charisma and wisdom to do the job.

[hope&havoc]

In high school, my friends and I were addicted to the "Faces of Death" videos. I'm still haunted by some of that shit (i.e. the dude that fell between the platform & subway car in NYC... fucking terrible). Every friend that has seen this decapitation video has told me they regretted watching it. Just the stills of it posted on the Internet are kinda creepy. We're in such deep shit in Iraq.

Remember a month or two ago when Ted Kennedy said that Iraq was G. Dubya's Vietnam... that tipsy motherfucker might have been right. This whole situation stinks more every day.

Time to move to a desert island... eek.

[DR+DELUSION]

Originally posted by oneeightyone
IT's all fair in love and war.

No joke, it's war, if americans get pissy over this shit the whoever does need to have a hammer rammed in their ass.

This is war, americans have fought war since vietnam with buttons, this shit is war, i have no real remorse for watching that, and have no real remorse for the family of the guy, yea it sucks, whatever your kids dead. like i said, it's war.

It's Body Rock, you shoot mine ill shoot yours, we both lose in the end. I want to hand this video out to all those shmuck motherfuckers who kept on saying "sand nigger" and "bomb them". shit like that.

Maybe since i was in my country's civil war and lived through a hell some people will never face i have a different opinion on things.

It's whatever though, life moves on.

"it's whatever????"

dude do you have a CONSCIENCE? you people who are callous about this are fucking sick. and i don't care what civil war you sat through.

i feel TERRIBLE for this guy and his family. i'm sure that they just LOVE knowing that this video is floating all over the place for anyone's viewing pleasure. THANKS, MEDIA!! i need a cigarette! yay!

[mental invalid]

Originally posted by CILONE/SK
What gets me about this whole thing is that that region has been fucked up throughout history and some of the beefs over there are over a 1000 years old. How the hell can we fuck with that? If they didn't have oil, noone would care.

id like to think that is not the case, such as what happened with liberia/serbia/haiti, but then you also have the current situation in sudan or the genocide in rawanda...its a mix


but i dont think its dumb for us an the rest of the modern world to want stability in the region based on their natural resource and position in the world as a major source of the what makes the industrialized world go around...

but certainly one can make the argument now about finding alternative means of energy so that as a country we will be less effected by the tumultous region.


*man im a fucking space cadet today with my punctuation

[seeking]

Originally posted by willy.wonka
that was the most horrible thing i have ever seen..


you guy's wanna know about fucking horrible?
i did not see this, so i can't comment on it, but last year i got link to a video from someplace in the middle east, or north africa.

there was an man on the ground, hands and feet bound, wearing a dashiki, dress sort of thing. they take a long sharp pole (about 8 feet i believe), carefully stick it into his ass, then pick him up and place the pole into some kind of base. for about two minutes, the guy screams his fucking head off, as his body weight slowly pulss him down, and pushes the pole through his whole body, then finally out his neck. the video was decent quality, was shot up close, and in full sound. there is a chanting crowd around the whole thing, cheering it on. supposidly the guy raped a woman.
i have definitely not recovered from seeing it.
i was going to post the link here when i first found it, then after watching it, i just couldnt do it. i couldnt handle having you guys talk about it. it was by far the illest thing i've ever seen in my life. the illest thing i could imagine seeing.

[mental invalid]

holy fuck dood...

im squeezing my sphincter in fear of that story...

[Weapon X]

The Nazis used to treat their POWs like shit, and that’s a big reason why they were such terrible people. The Americans are doing the same thing, and while they may not have killed and displaced millions of people systematically, they do fuck up a lot of animals and ecosystems. So the Americans are a really bad superpower. If the Republicans get elected again, it’s going to be a matter of time until the American War Machine turns it’s ugly head towards a non-Islamic country. That’s what I think, anyway.

I don’t see what the hell is so shocking about this. The first page is full of people saying how they’re so disgusted by the behaviour of these soldiers and how this is war. This isn’t a part of war, in my opinion. It’s just some perverted Americans (there’s a lot of them) doing what they can to get off by degrading some naked dudes. No doubt, apply some psychological abuse, but do it a little more tastefully, no?

War is as inherent in humans as love and fear is. I don’t think peeing on a pile of naked guys is a part of most humans’ psyche.



So I showed my dad this video, and he had only two things to say: the muslim people are savages, and that the Bush government is adios come election time.

[Rodney Trotter]

I don't want to turn this into a 'The worst thing I've seen' thread, but the worst thing I've seen also comes from the middle east.

It was on a tv show about the abuses of human rights in the Middle East. The tape showed a woman, who had apparently committed adultery, knealing down in a town square, tied up in a white bag.

All of a suddden the crowd of people all around started to throw rock after rock after rock at her, and the bag started to turn red and become saturated in blood, then she slumped to the floor, and they kept throwing those rocks, I guess till she was dead.

These are some of the kind of people we're dealing with.

This is normal to a lot of them.

[seeking]

Originally posted by Weapon X
The Nazis used to treat their POWs like shit, and that’s a big reason why they were such terrible people....So I showed my dad this video, and he had only two things to say: the muslim people are savages, and that the Bush government is adios come election time.

wait, so it wasn't the murdering of 6 MILLION people, it was the poor treatment of it's POW's?!

and 'muslim people are savages'?
what is more savage than invading someone elses country in order to take their resources to fill your own greed? that's the epitome of savage in my opinion.

this guy is no more 'dead' than any other person ever to die.
it's 'tragic', but tragic in the same way that every birth is a 'miracle'.

[Weapon X]

^ Rodney, why, was it in Iraq? I hear what you’re saying, though. Motherfuckers need to get with the times.

PS. The Nick Berg video really isn’t very gross at all. I’m sure most of you could watch it and not feel sick after. Hell, I was eating a cabbage roll when I watched it the first time.

[Weapon X]

Shit, another thing! These aren’t Saddam’s soldiers who killed Berg, are they? If not, then what the fuck?! Some militants killed and American – BIG FUCKING DEAL! That is just a side affect of coming up in their country and handing them a flag and a constitution, and people’s families in body bags. Maybe Nick Berg should have stayed out of Iraq in the first place.

[CinchedWaist]

we watched it at work and one of my co-workers ran to the bathroom and threw up.
:(

[Rodney Trotter]

I can't tell you exactly which country it was from, but it was on TV here recently (like a couple of months back). At a gues I'd say it was either Iraq or Libya, as these are the two that have been big in the news of late.

[seeking]

you know what's interesting, i think, is that the same people who are so completely gung-ho outraged by this, and want to refer to them as 'savages' (not just you weapon) are generally the same people who support capital punishment, believe prison is 'being too nice', and think lethal injection is 'letting them off easy'.

does anyone else find that rather...oh, i dont know....fucking retarded?

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by seeking
wait, so it wasn't the murdering of 6 MILLION people, it was the poor treatment of it's POW's?!

and 'muslim people are savages'?
what is more savage than invading someone elses country in order to take their resources to fill your own greed? that's the epitome of savage in my opinion.

this guy is no more 'dead' than any other person ever to die.
it's 'tragic', but tragic in the same way that every birth is a 'miracle'.

I touched on the ‘millions of people’ subject two lines after the POW statement.

Yeah, my dad really doesn’t like what most of these Arabic Muslims stand for. He also realizes that America is greedy as fuck. He’s always hoping that the Republicans lose. I remember how he used to hate Bush Sr. like crazy.

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by seeking
you know what's interesting, i think, is that the same people who are so completely gung-ho outraged by this, and want to refer to them as 'savages' (not just you weapon) are generally the same people who support capital punishment, believe prison is 'being too nice', and think lethal injection is 'letting them off easy'.

does anyone else find that rather...oh, i dont know....fucking retarded?

I don’t want to say they are all savages. Nor could I say that I wouldn’t want to leak a video on the net of me killing a hostage if some army ran through my nation. I probably would love showing my disdain that way. Morally speaking, it beats running up next to a bus and killing several innocents who couldn’t see it coming.

That said, I am not an ultra right wing when it comes to capital punishment. At all.

*but it is too nice if someone really pulled of a heinous crime.

[DR+DELUSION]

Originally posted by seeking
the same people who are so completely gung-ho outraged by this, and want to refer to them as 'savages' (not just you weapon) are generally the same people who support capital punishment, believe prison is 'being too nice', and think lethal injection is 'letting them off easy'.


uh, oh really? source please? or is seeking just yanking words out of his ass again...

[seeking]

aeon, is that you?
it's too bad a worthless junkie like yourself gets to live and a family man had to die.

[Weapon X]

Well he said he thinks that blah blah blah.

I think he thinks wrong, but he wasn’t trying to be factual, I think.

[CIPHER_one]

Originally posted by seeking

what is more savage than invading someone elses country in order to take their resources to fill your own greed? that's the epitome of savage in my opinion.



This sounds like it could be taken from an argument against allowing people to immigrate freely into the united states.

(Not that it is, nor do I neccessarily think its out of greed, I just noticed its double-use)

[seeking]

think about it this way.
imagine your 'average' person that very strongly believes in capital punishment and thinks that prisons are 'too nice'. this same person is also probably going to republican, correct? he is also probably going to support bush. i know i'm relying on stereotypes, but i've met enough of these people to know that there are A LOT of them. texas has a whole state full of them. infact, the south is pretty much inundated with them. anyway, can you honestly tell me that someone who fits that image (which is NOT a far stretch) is going to look at that video and say 'well, you know, that's justice!'?
fuck no.
the same people who are defending the prison abuses as being 'part of war', are the same ones who are calling this beheading 'savage'.



condemning the abuses, and thinking this is savage is a completely different story. as is calling both this, and the abuses 'a part of war'. im simply talking about the uber-patriotic, red white and 'true' americans that make exceptions for the abuses, but find the same actions in others to be deplorable.

[seeking]

cipher,
i suppose it could be....if you viewed people wanting to live 'free' and have (relatively) equal opportunity, as 'greed', which i do not. so yeah, basically, if you take it completely out of context and inject a huge dose of blind ignorance, then sure, i can see where you're coming from.
;)

[mental invalid]

Originally posted by seeking
you know what's interesting, i think, is that the same people who are so completely gung-ho outraged by this, and want to refer to them as 'savages' (not just you weapon) are generally the same people who support capital punishment, believe prison is 'being too nice', and think lethal injection is 'letting them off easy'.

does anyone else find that rather...oh, i dont know....fucking retarded?

it truly borders on the insane ironic level.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Those who favor tougher prisons and capital punishment favor it for those proven guilty of heinous crimes... this Berg guy was doing civilian construction work that did not merit such a brutal death.

Granted, I'm sure these conservatives would be outraged anyways if it had been a guy responsible for killing dozens, but I think it's still an unfair comparison, and not particularly ironic or contradictive. Even if they condone harsh capital punishment for criminals, there is still more than enough reason for them to be logically outraged by this particular event.

[mental invalid]

good point.

[fr8lover]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't plan on watching it. I have no desire to watch someone's head get cut off.

Although my natural curiosity nearly got me to click on the link, I held back after reading some of the comments that people left. It seems like even the most "hardened" people are affected by the video, so thats why I'm agreeing with ol' PMB here.

Even reading about it bums me out, I don't need to see a guy go through that.

On another note,

I find it funny that a lot of extreme right wingers are using this as justification or reasoning for the abuse in Iraqi prisons. I was listening to Michael Savage last night (who is honestly one of the most disgusting human beings I've ever heard speak) and he went off on a diatribe about how this is a million times worse than putting a guy on a leash and taking pictures of it. Sex with prisoners, humiliation and abuse are apparently now okay because we have video of Nick Berg getting beheaded. We're so full of American pride and a stupid childish attitude of superiority and always being on the "right side" of things that we don't see the hipocrisy in this.

This war is fucked up on BOTH sides, and as Roe mentioned earlier it's all a futile attempt to instill democracy into a place where its pretty obvious (see Nick Berg video) that they don't want it. The US government has been saying that this is a small portion of the population, not the majority. But if this small population will go to these lengths to show their distaste for our being in their country, then how the fuck does Bush or Rumsfeld think we're going to win this "war?"

For the first time in my relatively short life, I feel sorry for being a part of something like this, even at the lowest level of simply being an American citizen. Bush and company got us into it, and if level-headed people like us can't seem to see a way out of it, how in the hell are those retards in Washington supposed to do it?

I'm scared about what's next. What are we going to do?

[Poop Man Bob]

seeking - DR+DELUSION is an angrier, angst-filled BOZACK, not Aeon.

[Weapon X]

It’s not that gross a video. Once he’s dead (pretty much right off the bat), he’s just another animal carcass.

Freightlover – go out and vote and shit. I don’t have the luxury of voting against Bush so this world can be a much better place.

[El Producto]

ive seen a couple pretty sick clips but once i saw them, i can watch them again without thinking anything...but for some reason i just dont wanna watch this one:(

[seeking]

wtf?
who the fuck is bozak? what's your hardon for me, homie? didn't you get the email, hating me went out in 2000?


mams,
it's not the perfect equivelent, but it still applies, because those same people i speak of are also generally the same people who were screaming for 'revenge' right after 9.11. the same people who still believe iraq was connected to it, despite there being not one single piece of evidence linking them.
basically, anyone that listens to rush.

[Weapon X]

[img]http://www2.hostings.com/art/Rush-1-30-92-Back.jpg'>

Nah, dude! Rush is hype! I went to the same highschool as a couple of them.

[Weapon X]

[img]http://www.thismodernworld.com/media/arc/1993%20archive/93-03-09-rush.gif'>

My brother used to (don’t know if he still does) love watching Rush Limbaugh. He’d force me to watch it, too. We never got his radio show up here, but we did get his tv show late at night.

[WREK]

wheres the blood???..

seems to me like he might of been dead already, prior to the beheading.


cruel world, indeed.

[Mr. Peanut]

another point i wanted to add is that many people don't realize this sort of shit has been going on for a long time. the only reason why you're seeing it now on the news is because this administration is so dilusional and determined that they will release this video on the air, just to gain support for "the war on terror."
i am in no way downplaying the loss of this man's life. it's just easier to point out because of all the press.

[metallix]

peace in the world

i don;t think thats a statement that can be contradicted without appearing morally evil ;)

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by mental invalid
but certainly one can make the argument now about finding alternative means of energy so that as a country we will be less effected by the tumultous region.


sorry to get off topic but..
it seems this peak oil shit is getting quite alot of play these days. i have a hard
time grasping the complexity of it, either it is very real and a very disturbing problem or it's a real alarmist thing. from what i've researched(not much), the so called
'oil crunch' is real and quite fucked. here is one realist/alarmist's take on the viability of alternative sources: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/PageTwo.html

[gfreshsushi]

i still can't find a version of this video that my computer will let me play. meh.

[S@T@N]

Browner-
First of all, that guy is a douchebag. He purposefully sensationalizes the
problem as a ploy to sell his book. While he gives reason that those
methods *individually* could not replace oil, the fact is that with the
adoption of any of those methods as a secondary resource, our oil demand
will begin to decrease. Also, using the new methods, implementing the
other methods will only become easier.


I'm not trying to turn a blind eye to the problem, I just don't think he needs
to go preaching doomsday just yet.

[seeking]

gas was $2.25 a gallon here today.
shit is wack.

[El Producto]

well i watched it...ive seen way worse to be honest...

[JasonWhit]

i haven't seen the video but it seems to me that it is the same thing as the daniel pearl video. what i dont understand is why i have heard next to nothing about daniel pearl?

was it because he was jewish? or because he was in pakistan? or because the video came out and there was no election so it never became an issue? weird shit.

[fr8lover]

Originally posted by JasonWhit
i haven't seen the video but it seems to me that it is the same thing as the daniel pearl video. what i dont understand is why i have heard next to nothing about daniel pearl?

was it because he was jewish? or because he was in pakistan? or because the video came out and there was no election so it never became an issue? weird shit.

Nick Berg was a jew, as well. And I think the Daniel Pearl incident DID in fact get a lot of press, but the latest war controversies have a knack of knocking each other out in the media spectrum.

[fermentor666]

The best way to put this into context is that this sort of thing happens a lot. Places like Rwanda, whole villages get slaughtered by machete in this similar manner. In Bosnia, families were dragged onto bridges, their throats cut, and thrown into the river. Not to say that this video isn't upsetting, cause it is. I think the worst part was seeing his family in ruin.


Who eats cabbage while browsing the internet?

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by S@T@N
Browner-
First of all, that guy is a douchebag. He purposefully sensationalizes the
problem as a ploy to sell his book. While he gives reason that those
methods *individually* could not replace oil, the fact is that with the
adoption of any of those methods as a secondary resource, our oil demand
will begin to decrease. Also, using the new methods, implementing the
other methods will only become easier.


I'm not trying to turn a blind eye to the problem, I just don't think he needs
to go preaching doomsday just yet.

see, i'm not an expert on it, so i can't say if he's a douchbag alarmist, or
he is onto something. he definitely exhibits a sensationalist attitude.
it seems it would take a good deal of time and research
to refute OR support the claims. maybe you could give a little more depth as to
why/how he is a douche in relation to the claims.
i didn't notice an explicit consideration of the combination of all alternatives, but
maybe becuz some of them are extremely expensive versus actual
impact(according to him).
if oil yields 20 on an energy scale and you take 3 expensive alternatives and
combine them, but each of them yields 1 each, is 3 a reasonable venture?
? i don't know what i'm talkin' about...
metallix is up on this shit i think..maybe villain..

*please respond to this...his argument is that the facts are alarming and action must
be taken now. you disagree..why?

[JasonWhit]

America ... actually the whole world gets a check minus.

[seeking]

Originally posted by fermentor666
Places like Rwanda, whole villages get slaughtered by machete in this similar manner.

in rwanda, 10,000 people EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR 90 DAYS were chopped up with machetes fashioned out of scrap car parts.
this was one dude. multiply this one guy by almost a million percent(!) and you have rwanda.

not that i'm saying they're somehow the same, just trying to put the word 'horror' into proper perspective.

[fermentor666]

Originally posted by seeking
in rwanda, 10,000 people EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR 90 DAYS were chopped up with machetes fashioned out of scrap car parts.
this was one dude. multiply this one guy by almost a million percent(!) and you have rwanda.

not that i'm saying they're somehow the same, just trying to put the word 'horror' into proper perspective.


Indeed.


This thread needs a smile. :D

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by fermentor666
Who eats cabbage while browsing the internet?

Cabbage roll. So there was mad meat up in there.

Damn straight that this one death is nothing compared with all the bullshit that has happened over the past hundred years or so. It’s just a media thing, really. What is the States gonna do? Declare war on Iraq? :lol:. I really don’t see how so many people on this thread are so horrified and shit. You all sound like fucking skinny vegans who cry whenever a squirrel gets run over. Nick JewBerg is collateral damage that shouldn’t have been in Iraq trying to get his money on in the first place.

[BROWNer]

good to see that while humanity is out the window in iraq, class
is out the window in this thread.

[imported_Tesseract]

amen

[seeking]

just to try and put that number into a little better perspective, imagine someone lying dead on the ground in a bloody pool. now for the next week, imagine every single person you see, dead.
unless you walk around in a major city, that number wont even come close to being 10,000 people, but it's a start.

or how about this, next time you watch a basketball game. imagine everyone in the stadium was dead.
now imagine roughly 30-40 stadiums filled with dead bodies.
that should be pretty close.

or remember the last ten super bowls? imagine every single person in the stadiums, hacked up into pieces.

kinda makes janet's booby irrelivent, huh?

[Zaius]

wholy shit thats crazy.

[S@T@N]

Originally posted by BROWNer
see, i'm not an expert on it, so i can't say if he's a douchbag alarmist, or
he is onto something. he definitely exhibits a sensationalist attitude.
it seems it would take a good deal of time and research
to refute OR support the claims. maybe you could give a little more depth as to
why/how he is a douche in relation to the claims.
i didn't notice an explicit consideration of the combination of all alternatives, but
maybe becuz some of them are extremely expensive versus actual
impact(according to him).
if oil yields 20 on an energy scale and you take 3 expensive alternatives and
combine them, but each of them yields 1 each, is 3 a reasonable venture?
? i don't know what i'm talkin' about...
metallix is up on this shit i think..maybe villain..

*please respond to this...his argument is that the facts are alarming and action must
be taken now. you disagree..why?


I don't disagree that we have a problem, nor that it needs to be addressed
presently (or in the near future.) I disagree with his criticisms of each
of the alternative resources, and his general demeanor. Take as an
example his criticism of solar energy:


Solar power currently supplies .007% of the US energy supply. As a replacement for oil, it is unsuitable due to the following reasons:

1. Energy from solar power varies constantly with weather or day/night.

Thanks for the tip. That's what power cells are for. Also, how often
would clouds (or any weather) affect the daylight conditions in the middle
of a desert? Let's use common sense: We aren't going to pave over our
midwestern states to put up solar panels; we're going to do it in an
otherwise fruitless area.

2. Not practical for transportation needs. While a handful of small, experimental, solar-powered vehicles have been built, solar power is unsuited for planes, boats, cars, tanks, etc.
Considering that the direct yield from solar cells is electricity, I don't
know any other form of energy that can be sent around the globe at over 1,000
miles per second. Also, we need only to mass produce the electric motors
that we have now to fully exploit electricity as a clean alternative to oil.

3. Solar cannot be adapted to produce pesticides, fertilizer, or plastics.

No shit. But if we implement this before oil runs out, please believe
there will be plenty of petroleum left for those other products. Burning
oil is its most wasteful use; we need far less of it to create plastics than
we do to run cars.

4. Solar is susceptible to the effects of global climate change, which is projected to greatly intensify in the decades to come.

What the fuck are you talking about? Global climate change. mmk.
Unless we nuke the fuck out of each other and cause a nuclear winter,
there's no way we would cause enough of a climate change as to
discourage solar power use.

5. Estimates are that about 20 percent of US land area would be required to support a solar energy system that would supply less than one-half of our current energy consumption. To develop such a system would require phenomenal level of investment and new infrastructure. This land requirement can be expected to diminish arable (food producing), pasture, and forest lands to some extent, with the most critical loss being arable land.

[I] This is the one I'm going to cut him slack on. The true answer would
be to set up huge fields of solar panels in the middle of the Sahara to
harvest the best amount of sun. However, who (beside someone like Bush)
would risk pissing off the Arabs by threatening their chokehold on the
American economy? It's be morally wrong to force the solar energy
system, and reasoning with them would be close to impossible because
of how much weaker they'd be. (By the way, I realize that the Middle
East and the middle of Africa are 2 entirely different places, with different
people, but I guarantee OPEC would get bitchy all the same.)



The man definitely has a point, and I'm not arguing that we need to take
action. I just don't like his "bend over and kiss our asses goodbye"
attitude. We're far from out of the race.





*editted for typos and formatting

[<KEY3>]

ok then seeking... seing as you love the comparisons....

Let's just say 60,000 people were at the Superbowl.
And the Superbowl has gone on 38 times now
(sure attendence varies, but it's close) so that means two million,
two hundred and eighty thousdand people have been in those stadiums.
Well imagine the entire attendence of the superbowl from the beginning up to 2080.....

that's how many civilians died at the hands of the Nazis in WWII.
Add that to the military deaths....


we've got a long history of shit behind us.

[seeking]

almost 7 million people died in the hallocaust?

i need to get more concrete figures as to the actual 'generally accepted' number of people killed, cause the number fluctuates by the millions depending on who you speak with.
some jew's claim 4 million people died at auschewitz, while other jews (who are of course labled self hating) place the number slightly under a million. that's quite a difference.

not trying to downplay the signifigance of the whole thing, just saying.

[<KEY3>]

I'm not just talking jewish people.
Whatever people might say about the stats,
no one can deny that lots of gypsies, criminals,
gays, communists, handicaps AND jews died.

I used a large figure to cover all the other groups.

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by S@T@N
I'm not arguing that we need to take
action. I just don't like his "bend over and kiss our asses goodbye"
attitude. We're far from out of the race.


well i'm not fond of it either.
thanks for the response.

[imported_Tesseract]

The biggest loss was against russia...as far as jews....i'm on the point where i cant feel no sympathy at all

[OcToBeR]

FUCK THE FLAG, AND FUCK BUSH

R.I.PEACE

[seeking]

key, i was talking total number too. i just mentioned the auschewitz thing to point out the huge difference in certain peoples figures, since that example alone changes the total number by nearly half.

tess,
i think this is a fantastic job for you. please find credible figures.
thanks.

[<KEY3>]

here's a pretty decent chart - LINK (http://www.warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/deaths.htm)
but it's only based on 'Axis' or 'Allied' and the Gypsys/Jews/Commies dont really fall into that division.

This LINK (http://www.holocaust-history.org/~rjg/deaths.shtml) offers non-combatant stats, but it's clearly biased. However they do reference where they got their numbers from.

[S@T@N]

Originally posted by BROWNer
well i'm not fond of it either.
thanks for the response.

no prob man. I just hope I didn't come off like an asshole, 'cause that's
not how I was trying to sound.

[seeking]

key,
correct me if im wrong here, but that first link is claiming 20 million russians died, right? 10 million soldiers, and 10 million civillians?!
400,000 american soldiers died?!
10million chinese?

roughly 50MILLION people total died?!?!

i'll admit right off the bat that my ww2 history is horrible, but those numbers seem incredibly inflated.

anyone?

[S@T@N]

Seeking, while I don't know about those other numbers, the Russian
soldiers figure is correct (insofar as it's the most accepted figure.)
The civilian figure may be a little exaggerated though.

[S@T@N]

Chart with both references and realistic figures. (http://members.bellatlantic.net/~jkirklan/ww2.htm)

[fiberoptical]

this is strange..why was he in US custody?????????....

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGADYEE77UD.html


ww3..here we come...bring out the nukes and let's have a real fuckin party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fermentor666]

Originally posted by Tesseract
The biggest loss was against russia...as far as jews....i'm on the point where i cant feel no sympathy at all

So you're saying you think it's ok that all those people were killed like cattle? Or are you saying that you can't NOT feel sympathy? Or is it that since you didn't live through it and all you have for references are movies and history books, you are indifferent? Help me out here, I'm confused by your statement. I don't feel a deep sense of pain by the holocaust but I do think it was horrible, inhuman, and a mar on history. And I am somewhat sympathetic to human suffering.

[kToe]

:nope: fuck...

[Gunm]

I just caved in and watched the video.....just ruined my fucking day.....thanks

[blood.face.]

fuck!........this fucking certain video pissed me right off
i see and do this shit on a daily.....but this fucking made me rot
fuck!!

[S@T@N]

Originally posted by LENS
I just caved in and watched the video.....just ruined my fucking day.....thanks


I told you so.

[seeking]

he was in US custody, because we thought he had ties to al qaeda.

fermentor,
what he's saying is that with the way israel is treating the palestinians, he has a hard time shedding tears about what happend to them in the past, when're acting with similar disregard for human life. also, the way that some jewish and israeli leaders seem to treat the world, as if not only were jews the only ones killed, but also the only ones that matter, is a slap in the face to the millions of people who died. of course it was a horrible thing, no one will ever deny that, but it's like 9/11. on 9.12, we had the entire worlds sympathy. today, 80% of the world pretty much hates us.
you can't except past injustices to pay your debt's for the rest of your life.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by seeking

fermentor,
what he's saying is that with the way israel is treating the palestinians, he has a hard time shedding tears about what happend to them in the past, when're acting with similar disregard for human life. also, the way that some jewish and israeli leaders seem to treat the world, as if not only were jews the only ones killed, but also the only ones that matter, is a slap in the face to the millions of people who died. of course it was a horrible thing, no one will ever deny that, but it's like 9/11. on 9.12, we had the entire worlds sympathy. today, 80% of the world pretty much hates us.
you can't except past injustices to pay your debt's for the rest of your life.

And thats EXACTLY what i meant in better english than mine, thanx seeks


Theres no point in teaching history when you dont even unerstand it.

[mullet]

Aww fuck i was gonna gow for a old chocke of the chicken
but then i read this shit and then i got disturbing images in my head
Theres no way im watching that movie, who ever did watch it your
fucking sick in the head. Just plain disturbing:(

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by mullet
Aww fuck i was gonna gow for a old chocke of the chicken
but then i read this shit and then i got disturbing images in my head
Theres no way im watching that movie, who ever did watch it your
fucking sick in the head. Just plain disturbing:(

hey buddy, its your curiosity eating your brain right now, not mine...


jokes

seriously though, dont watch it if you can

[mullet]

But is really that bad
As in wouldnt it be all shity quallity? or can you see it in fine detail??

[imported_Tesseract]

These are the type of questions that will make you click that link in the long run...its not a matter of quality or detail at all though. Its a matter of how real and brutal it is that makes it unbearable

[mullet]

True

[Poop Man Bob]

Off topic, but the latest freeway blogger sign:

http://www.freewayblogger.com

[img]http://www.freewayblogger.com/images/abuse1.jpg'>

[adderall]

Originally posted by OcToBeR
FUCK THE FLAG

fuck your mother

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by adderall
fuck your mother

while wrapped with the flag....


seriously stop that 12 year old shit now, it wont be tolerated in this thread

[fiberoptical]

THE WHOLE THING IS BULLSHIT..STAGED..LIKE THE REST OF THE VIDEOS FROM BEFORE....PSYOPS...DON'T FALL FOR IT..

ASK YOURSELF SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS:

(Warning: Parts of the following discussion contain rather sickening references.)

Arab linguists have said the man posing as the Jordanian Zaraqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.

Zaraqawi was missing one leg and had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally with his ill-fitting limb. No man in the group showed evidence of such an infirmity.

Numerous indigenous sources have said Zaraqawi was killed by a US helicopter attack months ago when he was unable to move quickly enough to escape the targeted house. While others managed to exit the house in time to survive, he died in the collapsed building.

As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine.

The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would have continuing wearing a US custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One is forced to speculate as to whether there was an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, thusly preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb.

Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands.

Some men had what can only be described as pasty-white hands. Once again, one would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands.

The lack of spurting blood suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. It is possible Berg's dead body was displayed with his head already partially or totally severed. In any case, he almost certainly was killed before the staged beheading. If so, it suggests the captors had no stomach for an actual beheading of a living person, and they opted to fulfill their assignment quietly and with the least amount of gore.

The scream that is heard has been interpreted as a woman's scream by many viewers. Videotape cognoscenti have further said the scream was amateurishly added to the tape.

The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this cannot be explained as an innocent flub. This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg.

Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from?

Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s.

The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi is wearing a gold ring. This is absolutely proscribed by Islamic law.

The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. We have to conclude that either the email was bogus or the US military has been lying.

The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was a standard issue military chair of the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. The chances a terrorist cell would be using this same chair are minimal at best.


Everything was going South _ deservedly so _ and the Bush Administration needed help.

Enter poor Nick Berg.

Nick Berg was a telecommunications contractor who went into Iraq to "help". But he and his family were not unknown to US authorities.

On March 7, 2004, an 'enemies' list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic.

Among those listed was this entry: "Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc." That's Nick Berg's father, Michael who acts as business manager for his son in their family radio communications firm, Prometheus Methods Tower Service.

Just days after "Michael Berg" and "Prometheus Methods Tower Service" had come up on that Iraq war 'enemies' list, his son Nick Berg returned to Iraq under the business name of Prometheus Methods Tower Service.

Nick was detained, first by Iraqi police, then for 13 days by the United States military in Iraq. He was in US custody and admittedly questioned by the FBI 3 separate times. They would not release him _ nor press charges _ nor let him speak to an attorney.

He was a "terrorist sympathizer" and detained in a US orange jumpsuit (like those in Guantanamo) and put in a cell with Syrians and Iraqis.





Yet they now claim Nick Berg was NEVER in US custody. Oh really?

To back its claims that Berg was in U.S. custody, the family gave The Associated Press copies of e-mails from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq.

"I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul. He is safe. He was picked up approximately one week ago. We will try to obtain additional information regarding his detention and a contact person you can communicate with directly,'' Payne wrote to Berg's father, Michael, on April 1. Payne repeated that Berg was "being detained by the U.S. military'' in an e-mail the same day to Berg's mother, Suzanne.

Frustrated by their inability to find out about their son's whereabouts, The Berg's filed a lawsuit in federal court in Philadelphia on April 5 asserting that their son was being held by the American military in violation of his civil rights.

"His parents contacted our office, the F.B.I., the State Department," said Representative Jim Gerlach, a Republican from Upper Uwchlan Township in Pennsylvania.

Representative Gerlach met with the Berg family on Tuesday. "They got very insufficient information,'' he said. "They felt that they were not getting full answers."

Nick Berg's father, Michael Berg was publicly furious, "I think a lot of people are fed up with the lack of civil rights this thing has caused," he said. "I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."

The Berg's filed a lawsuit in federal court in Philadelphia on April 5. A day later, Nick Berg was released. He contacted his parents and told them that he was coming home. The following day he checked out of his hotel in Baghdad, and disappeared.

At the height of the US torture scandal, Nick Berg's body was "discovered" on Saturday May 8, having reportedly been decapitated the same day by muslim radicals _ specifically Al Queda.

And, almost miraculously, a video appears worldwide showing "Al Queda" in possession of Mr. Berg (somehow still wearing his orange jumpsuit) at which time he is supposedly beheaded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi _ whom Americans claim is Al Queda's lead man in Iraq. Not only does Al Queda record the video, but Zarqawi's name and "signature" appear on it.

Convenient? Oh, and how.


WHAT KIND OF DOG IS THAT OVER THERE IN THE CORNER WAGGING IT'S TALE?

that knife is a bit small to cut through a neck...no?

[villain]

I watched that shit. I think the most fucked up part is that he looked like he was still alive until they severed his spinal cord. He was grimacing the whole time.

[fermentor666]

Ah, ok Tessaract. I can't say I agree with that on all points but it's a point of view that I understand.

[imported_Tesseract]

fermentor, its all good..

cilone, i agree...however the berg case isnt about berg...its about the depths this situation has gone to and the reasons why it did...another confirmation about how much this war sucks.

[gfreshsushi]

uh, cilone? why the fuck would anyone pity military personnel because they are getting called back up? THEY ARE IN THE MILITARY. i agree with you about not pitying berg and the other americans who've gotten killed trying to make a quick buck in iraq, but i do not see where the same logic doesn't apply to military personnel. everyone in the military (including you) signed up for this shit and you knew what the possible risks were. why should we feel bad because you end up with a little extra time on the front lines? yes, it sucks because you are doing more service time in action than your average army-guy from the last twenty years, but you're in the military during war time - what did you expect?

this is the reason smart people don't join the military. - this statement is a broad generalization based on my personal experience and interaction with certain members of the armed forces. it is not meant to apply to everyone who has ever worn a uniform, but it's been a fairly safe assumption for the most part.

[»§ÜGÅR«]

i dont know if this sounds childish, or inappropriate....but..

in a way, i think it's a fare trade. Degrade the iraqi prisoners for all the shit those prisoner's did to americans and whoever else they go their hands on. It's funny how everyone/including media, are up in arms about the "injustice" towards those prisoners, but when it comes down to it, if those guys had american prisoners in their hands they'd do a lot worse things then the soldiers are doing to them.

People seem more up in arms about degrading those prisoners then about Berg. At least that's how the media is making it seem.

Somewhat one-sided.. but i'm sure a lot of people will probably disagree with me..

[SteveAustin]

I also have no desire to watch the video. I've already been desensitized enough.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by »§ÜGÅR«
i dont know if this sounds childish, or inappropriate....but..

in a way, i think it's a fare trade. Degrade the iraqi prisoners for all the shit those prisoner's did to americans and whoever else they go their hands on. It's funny how everyone/including media, are up in arms about the "injustice" towards those prisoners, but when it comes down to it, if those guys had american prisoners in their hands they'd do a lot worse things then the soldiers are doing to them.

People seem more up in arms about degrading those prisoners then about Berg. At least that's how the media is making it seem.

Somewhat one-sided.. but i'm sure a lot of people will probably disagree with me..

somewhat onesided? childish?...sorry but thats like the stupidiest thing i've heard today

[»§ÜGÅR«]

everyone has their OWN opinion.

i didn't shit on your opinion or anyone else's, so chill the fuck out

[Dick Quickwood]

ahahaah, »§ÜGÅR«

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by »§ÜGÅR«
everyone has their OWN opinion.

i didn't shit on your opinion or anyone else's, so chill the fuck out

i dont shit on your opinion for being yours, i shit on your opinion for being the absolute worst display of thinking on this matter. Since this is a conversation you reserve the right to be responsible for what you say and take critisism for it.

[»§ÜGÅR«]

very true tess-
no hard feelings, carry on.

[dlokddlokd]

i think cleansheets proposal is true...the whole thing is fake

[BROWNer]

could be true..may not be shit.
whatever the case, it's another
highlight showcasing the disturbing
lack of credibility the US has with
the rest of the world *and its own citizens.
until we know more those are
legitimate questions/issues for sure.

[villain]

WTF!? (http://infowars.com/print/iraq/berg.htm)

This raises some questions that are quite poignant. Some of which I was wondering myself with my breif veiwing.

Whoops oh yeah cleansheets already posted something like this.

Yeah, this vid is sketchy as hell. This whole situation is.

[seeking]

Originally posted by Tesseract
i dont shit on your opinion for being yours, i shit on your opinion for being the absolute worst display of thinking on this matter. Since this is a conversation you reserve the right to be responsible for what you say and take critisism for it.

holy fuck.
that was good.
i really don't think that people realize english is not your native language tess. i'd never know if i didn't know.

clean sheets case is a good one.
i'm afraid i might have to watch the video now, just to see for myself.
i had considered that it was a pretty convenient 'tragedy'.
does anyone have links to a site that has stills?

[imported_Tesseract]

thanx bro,


what always bugs me when i question if something is made up or not, is the simple fact that i cant believe how someone that wants to persuade people can do such a sloppy work.

If its made by pros, why is it so amateur?

[seeking]

agreed.
you'd think these people would have a little more common sense. i used more caution when creating lies for my mother, so i could sneak out and get high, than it appears they might have for staging this murder.

just to further on what's been said, why would terrorists have him change into a jump suit, even if they had one? what purpose does it serve? what terrorist organization is carrying around extra clothes for their prisoners of war?
why would the video be edited, the way it was, and why would they even have him in a hood? if these guys are going to cut someoens head off to prove a point, they're going to want to do it as gruesomly as possible, which means they're going to want a close up of the guys face, so we can see him screaming. that is the one part of the video that everyone is universally freaked out by. seems to me that watchign his face making that scream would be 100x worse.

i wonder if these ideas will get any kind of play in the media, even the alternative media. i didnt listen to airamerica today, but i highly doubt even al franken would have spent much time discussing the fact that there should have been a whole lot more (ok, any!) blood.

my head hurts.
why can't shit just be easy?

[Weapon X]

I agree with cilone.

Also, why is my comment tasteless? Because I said Nick JewBerg? That was a joke, but it also was referring to an American Jew in Iraq trying to make a buck. Damn right there was a strong chance he’ll get executed. What the fuck is the big deal? It’s not even a part of the war. It’s just some insurgents killing an American because they’re pissed. Rightfully pissed. They’ve only killed one civilian in this manner so far; you people who dwell on these sort of things should be thankful for that.

I also think that gfreshsushi’s comment maybe a little out of line. I’ve met some damn smart people in the military (not that my country’s military is even worth speaking of anymore). An army wouldn’t function very well if it was full of dumb people, in my opinion. Also, it is a smart course of action to get paid and get an education at the same time, no?

Then again, I have this stereotype in my head that most Americans are dumb as shit. Also, I’ve related to you guys the story of my Chinese Canadian (with an American citizenship) buddy who got completely brainwashed by the US Army. But fuck, he wasn’t all that smart, man.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by seeking


just to further on what's been said, why would terrorists have him change into a jump suit, even if they had one?

I'm just about as confused as you are over this, however the refference made by media here is that the terrorists used the jumpsuit as a pun to the torturing of their prisoners in Guandanamo bay.
I find it highly unlikely but i guess it could stand a chance

[BROWNer]

i just stumbled on some total HUD-nerd-shit..secret pdf styles:

all from: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB...2/index.htm#hre (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/index.htm#hre)

Document 1
CIA, KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation, July 1963
Part1(p.1-60) (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/CIA%20Kubark%201-60.pdf)
Part2(p.61-112) (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/CIA%20Kubark%2061-112.pdf)
Part3(p.113-128) (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/CIA%20Kubark%20113-128.pdf)

This 127-page report, classified Secret, was drafted in July 1963 as a comprehensive guide for training interrogators in the art of obtaining intelligence from "resistant sources." KUBARK--a CIA codename for itself--describes the qualifications of a successful interrogator, and reviews the theory of non-coercive and coercive techniques for breaking a prisoner. Some recommendations are very specific. The report recommends, for example, that in choosing an interrogation site "the electric current should be known in advance, so that transformers and other modifying devices will be on hand if needed." Of specific relevance to the current scandal in Iraq is section nine, "The Coercive Counterintelligence Interrogation of Resistant Sources," (pp 82-104) ('http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/Kubark%2082-104.pdf') . Under the subheading, "Threats and Fears," the CIA authors note that "the threat of coercion usually weakens or destroys resistance more effectively than coercion itself. The threat to inflict pain, for example, can trigger fears more damaging than the immediate sensation of pain." Under the subheading "Pain," the guidelines discuss the theories behind various thresholds of pain, and recommend that a subject's "resistance is likelier to be sapped by pain which he seems to inflict upon himself" such rather than by direct torture. The report suggests forcing the detainee to stand at attention for long periods of time. A section on sensory deprivations suggests imprisoning detainees in rooms without sensory stimuli of any kind, "in a cell which has no light," for example. "An environment still more subject to control, such as water-tank or iron lung, is even more effective," the KUBARK manual concludes.

Document 2:
CIA, Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual - 1983
Part1(p.1-67) (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/CIA%20Human%20Res%20Exploit%20A1-G11.pdf)
Part2(p.68-124) (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/CIA%20Human%20Res%20Exploit%20H0-L17.pdf)


This secret manual was compiled from sections of the KUBARK guidelines, and from U.S. Military Intelligence field manuals written in the mid 1960s as part of the Army's Foreign Intelligence Assistance Program codenamed "Project X." The manual was used in numerous Latin American countries as an instructional tool by CIA and Green Beret trainers between 1983 and 1987 and became the subject of executive session Senate Intelligence Committee hearings in 1988 because of human rights abuses committed by CIA-trained Honduran military units. The manual allocates considerable space to the subject of "coercive questioning" and psychological and physical techniques. The original text stated that "we will be discussing two types of techniques, coercive and non-coercive. While we do not stress the use of coercive techniques, we do want to make you aware of them." After Congress began investigating human rights violations by U.S.-trained Honduran intelligence officers, that passage was hand edited to read "while we deplore the use of coercive techniques, we do want to make you aware of them so that you may avoid them." Although the manual advised methods of coercion similar to those used in the Abu Ghraib prison by U.S. forces, it also carried a prescient observation: "The routine use of torture lowers the moral caliber of the organization that uses it and corrupts those that rely on it…."

ps-weaponx, the joke didn't translate and the whole post came off flippant and
careless. whatever..suit yourself.

pps-seeking, if you watch it again, let me know if he started screaming before
they even touch him..i recall that's what happened, but i'm not sure.

[seeking]

i havent actually seen it. infact, i just saw a still from it for the first time ever a couple minutes ago.

those guys do seem to be fat as hell, and they do seem pretty white.

[BROWNer]

?
he didn't have a hood on..

[seeking]

no? haha. well then, disregard that whole thing.
i hadent seen it. i thought he had a hood on.
i'm watching it now, but its downloading slowly.
there is no fucking way that that squirly, anxious, uncomfortable motherfucker on the far right (our right) is a terrorist.
no way.
i'll give a full report in a minute.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by seeking

i'll give a full report in a minute.


<----lights up cigarette

[villain]

That shits on point BROWNer....
Yeah I recall him (her?) screaming before the execution... I'm pretty sure the whole video is dubbed. There's alot of sketchy shit going on there.

[imported_Tesseract]

well thats fucked up, the consumption junction video is like that...in the orgish one he doesnt start screaming before he's actually touched i think.

fuck you guys! you wont trick me in viewing it again

[26SidedCube]

Originally posted by seeking
those guys do seem to be fat as hell, and they do seem pretty white.

The first thing I said when I saw the group of
guys was 'Damn, they look like a bunch of
street thugs from LA in 1991..'

Notice only one or two of them are wearing
boots. The really fat guy is in sneakers.

Nice way to wag the dog, huh fellas?

Then again, they did find the body. Whatever that means.

[villain]

A good question is why was Nick Berg detained?

http://www.rense.com/general52/dmne.htm

It's very disturbing to think that some shadowy figures were looking through some kind of personnel roster for the perfect american jew victim to further inflame violence against iraqis....

Oh, and they did mention at least this on air america. Executed by his own government?

[BROWNer]

i heard he may have been a katsa..or a sayanim..
but that totally uncorroborated tid is coming from
michael 'israel is to blame for everything' rivero.
and he provided no name or link to the news
source that originally published this claim.

[26SidedCube]

Hah, newest propaganda (on the Real Player
start page) is that Berg had 'ties to 9/11'...

Watch as he's now villified because the family is speaking out.

[seeking]

ok, wanna know what i think?

1.the screaming DEFINITELY starts before they even touch him, when you can clearly see that his mouth is closed. it's the result of either a problem with encoding (i've had this happen with movies ive downloaded) or bing dubbed (more likely). it's impossible to say for sure. either way, the voice does not sound like a man who is being killed. also, the first incision they make is to the front of the front of the throat. that skin is incredibly thin and easy to cut through. when the knife went through it, there should have been a drastic change in the tone. it should have become a gargling, muted sound. the one that we can hear is very clear and unobstructed. that is not how it would sound. simple anatonmy & physiology will tell you that. also, think of 'faces of death' and all that shit. think of the screams people had on that, then compare it to this. doesn't even come close in intensity.

2.when they tackle him to the floor there is a very clear edit in there, like in cheap movies when it switches between the actor and the stunt double or the dummy. it's not an encoding glitch, it's a flat out change of camera angle. there is absolutely no reason for that what so ever, and it's technologicaly impossible given the timeframe of events. if they wanted to follow the action, they would have tilted the camera 30 degrees, they would not have stopped filming, moved their entire body and camera, then started again, all under 2 seconds? not a chance in hell. anyone that's ever tried to film their friends skating knows there is a 2-3 second delay between start and stop times. not possible.

3.there does appear to be alot of blood on the ground, which is to be expected even if he was freshly dead, BUT, there is not much blood on the guys hand, which is bullshit. the second largest artery in the body, and the closest to the heart (ie: one of the most powerful) is the carotid, which goes up both sides of the neck. there is also the jugular vein, which is one of the largest veins. both of these spurt blood at a very serious rate, and if cut through would expel A LOT of blood. it would be shooting all over the walls, ALL OVER the guys hands, and likely even onto the camera. anyone remember in black hawk down when the guy gets shot in the leg, and they try to clamp the artery, and the blood shoots like a guiser? ok, imagine that, times two, and more powerful. the fact that there is none of that is incredibly alarming, and by alarming, i mean fishy as fuck. the only blood the guy has on his hands is a result of his hand being in direct contact with the skin. thats not how it works.

4.body movement....anyone seen cops (any episode, doesnt matter) when there are 4 cops all tackling one drunk guy, and they can't get him under control? well that's a guy who doesn't want to go to jail. imagine a guy is being murdered. he doesn't put up much of a fight, at all. infact, the only real movement once the angle changes is the guy with the knife trying to get the head off, a task which takes him a while...plenty long enough for the body's fight or flight, autonomous response reactions to kick in. but it doesnt happen. he just screams, with the same open mouth that never moves. just look at the guys shoulders. there is no movement there. no struggling what so ever. no thrashing of the head, nothing. when the camera changes angles, his body is completely straight and almost rigid. it stays in that straightend position the entire time. now i know it's hard to move when you're hand cuffed and being held down by 2 guys, but the ONLY movement, is stemming from the exact locations where the men are holding him, which is not really where the body would move from in that position. if you're lying on your stomach, with your hands cuffed behind your back, you can still move your shoulders and upper arms about very freely. that does not happen once. if someone was attacking your head or face, this would be the part of your body that would be reacting the most violently, yet it doesnt move at all. if you dont believe, lie down on the floor, put your hands behind your back and imagine being in that position. now try to move around and see which parts of you move most freely. it's the upper half of the body.

5. the 'terrorists'. if these guys are hardened, war torn terrorists, who have dedicated their lives to killing americans, then i'm donald fucking duck. the two guys on the ends (the one on the right specifically) are so fucking twitchy and nervous and anxious. if you're a terrorist group at the level of alqaeda, and you're going to carry out something like this, you pick your top guys to be a part of it, as a 'reward'. those dudes were fat, pale, and squirmy. just look at the way they picked at their masks, as if they were 'tichy'. these are people that live, fight and train in 120 degree weather. they wear head wraps all the time because of dust storms. they are not going to worrying about an 'itchy' mask. the fat guy is so fucking figety, it would almost be laughable if this wasn't so grave. finally, right before they cut off the head, when they're all screaming.... does that really sound like the commited yell of a religious fanatic? people put more heart into cheering for their favorite basketball team. think about highschool, and every fight you ever saw. that's how mass violent actions look. this thing looked premeditated and phony as fuck. it's like a movie filled with bad actors who aren't quite sure what their 'motivation' is. muslims pray to mecca 5 times a day, every single day. 'allah akbar' is more than second nature to them, yet they appear to shout it in the video like it was being read off a teleprompter. it's just not natural in the way it would be if they were really hardcore terrorists.

i won't even get into the theories about the chair being military issue, the guns possibly being israeli models, the fact that the fat guy appeared to be wearing white tennis shoes, or that nick was wearing a us military style prisoner uniform. those things are all kind of secondary to the medical, physical, technical and theological issues.

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by 26SidedCube
Hah, newest propaganda (on the Real Player
start page) is that Berg had 'ties to 9/11'...

Watch as he's now villified because the family is speaking out.

yes, it's getting interesting.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/...ain616842.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/iraq/main616842.shtml)

In the wake of Berg's gruesome murder, the past link to Moussaoui seems a stranger-than-fiction coincidence — an American who inadvertently gave away his computer password to one suspected al Qaeda operative is later murdered by another notorious al Qaeda operative, Zarqawi.

The slain man's father, Michael Berg, told reporters that his son met Moussaoui while riding the bus to classes, and had allowed the suspect to use his computer.

But the 2002 FBI interview could explain the bureau's interest in Berg while he was detained by authorities in Iraq shortly before the militants kidnapped and killed him.

[earo 35]

wow.... i almost barfed when i saqw that shit... i think i would have if i had the volume on

[fiberoptical]

this is like a bad comedy.
Now he was friends with 9/11 mastermindm but then gets killed by the same group who masterminded the 9/11 atacks?
YO, WHO GOTS A FUCKING BELL....RING THAT SHIT..

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT.

a few more points- look at how big the hooded dudes are...football player big..like most US armed forces big.

look at the chair Nick Berg is in..look at the chair of abu giraib prison photos....same lawn chair home depot style.

and orange jumpsuit same ones they give out in county jails here in us.


DON'T FALL FOR IT.

YOU ARE BEING PSY-OP'ED.


IT IS ALL BAD FOLKS...ALL BAD.

TO, WHO HAS A BELL TO RING...RING IT...BULL SHIT..BULLSHIT..BULLSHIT.!

[gfreshsushi]

Originally posted by Weapon X

I also think that gfreshsushi’s comment maybe a little out of line. I’ve met some damn smart people in the military (not that my country’s military is even worth speaking of anymore). An army wouldn’t function very well if it was full of dumb people, in my opinion.

i don't think my comment was out of line at all. people who enlisted for an 8-year stint, with about 3-4 years of active duty, then a few more kicking around waiting for an honorable discharge, need our support to go back and keep fighting? it's their job, and they chose to sign up for it, for better or worse. those who support the war and the soldiers fighting it aren't picky about who they cheer on. i am anti-military, and seeing as how i have had absolutely ZERO positive experiences with members of the military, my opinion is biased. my opinion is also biased because everyone i know (including family members) who has enlisted has been a giant fucking idiot. i am directly quoting my cousin, who enlisted in the navy straight out of high school: "i joined the navy because i was tired of thinking for myself." as i stated, this is my opinion, based upon my experiences.

[villain]

Nice analysis seeks.....

And gfresh: I'm in the military. I might be stupid but I'm not an idiot.
I'll tell ya that pre 911 most kids joined the military cause they had nothing going for them. Like myself. Post 911 we got a few boy scouts but mostly we are here because it's an opportunity we don't have otherwise because we are mostly poor and disenfranchised. I've seen studies done by the military showing that most people in the military come from poor and disenfranchised states as well. Some of us got the go to war or go to jail line from a judge. I guess we are essentially paid mercenaries.

Okay there are alot of idiots in the military. But we are not ALL idiots. Iq generally varies by MOS (Military Occupational Specialty). I say generally because it's not absolute. It's a commonly known fact in the military that combat arms MOS' are generally crazy dumb fucks we lovingly refer to as bullet sponges. But even some people in Military Intelligence are crazy dumbfucks. So yeah it's not absolute but it seems to be thematic. I scored high enough on the ASVAB without even studying to qualify for every job except for some shit with satellites. I wanted to be 33W which is electronic warfare but there were only 12 slots available per year for that so I didn't get it. Or MI.... I wound up turning monkey wrenches. Oh well it's cool I guess. Got some job skills outta it.

I didn't even know they had a graphic design MOS.

[BIGBLUE]

horrific

[BROWNer]

Originally posted by villain
I didn't even know they had a graphic design MOS.

that's fuckin' dope as hell. military r&d aesthetic is the shit.

[InDY_500]

Originally posted by BIGBLUE
horrific

I think thats a understatement...........But definetly understandable......

[mullet]

Originally posted by seeking
ok, wanna know what i think?

1.the screaming DEFINITELY starts before they even touch him, when you can clearly see that his mouth is closed. it's the result of either a problem with encoding (i've had this happen with movies ive downloaded) or bing dubbed (more likely). it's impossible to say for sure. either way, the voice does not sound like a man who is being killed. also, the first incision they make is to the front of the front of the throat. that skin is incredibly thin and easy to cut through. when the knife went through it, there should have been a drastic change in the tone. it should have become a gargling, muted sound. the one that we can hear is very clear and unobstructed. that is not how it would sound. simple anatonmy & physiology will tell you that. also, think of 'faces of death' and all that shit. think of the screams people had on that, then compare it to this. doesn't even come close in intensity.

2.when they tackle him to the floor there is a very clear edit in there, like in cheap movies when it switches between the actor and the stunt double or the dummy. it's not an encoding glitch, it's a flat out change of camera angle. there is absolutely no reason for that what so ever, and it's technologicaly impossible given the timeframe of events. if they wanted to follow the action, they would have tilted the camera 30 degrees, they would not have stopped filming, moved their entire body and camera, then started again, all under 2 seconds? not a chance in hell. anyone that's ever tried to film their friends skating knows there is a 2-3 second delay between start and stop times. not possible.

3.there does appear to be alot of blood on the ground, which is to be expected even if he was freshly dead, BUT, there is not much blood on the guys hand, which is bullshit. the second largest artery in the body, and the closest to the heart (ie: one of the most powerful) is the carotid, which goes up both sides of the neck. there is also the jugular vein, which is one of the largest veins. both of these spurt blood at a very serious rate, and if cut through would expel A LOT of blood. it would be shooting all over the walls, ALL OVER the guys hands, and likely even onto the camera. anyone remember in black hawk down when the guy gets shot in the leg, and they try to clamp the artery, and the blood shoots like a guiser? ok, imagine that, times two, and more powerful. the fact that there is none of that is incredibly alarming, and by alarming, i mean fishy as fuck. the only blood the guy has on his hands is a result of his hand being in direct contact with the skin. thats not how it works.

4.body movement....anyone seen cops (any episode, doesnt matter) when there are 4 cops all tackling one drunk guy, and they can't get him under control? well that's a guy who doesn't want to go to jail. imagine a guy is being murdered. he doesn't put up much of a fight, at all. infact, the only real movement once the angle changes is the guy with the knife trying to get the head off, a task which takes him a while...plenty long enough for the body's fight or flight, autonomous response reactions to kick in. but it doesnt happen. he just screams, with the same open mouth that never moves. just look at the guys shoulders. there is no movement there. no struggling what so ever. no thrashing of the head, nothing. when the camera changes angles, his body is completely straight and almost rigid. it stays in that straightend position the entire time. now i know it's hard to move when you're hand cuffed and being held down by 2 guys, but the ONLY movement, is stemming from the exact locations where the men are holding him, which is not really where the body would move from in that position. if you're lying on your stomach, with your hands cuffed behind your back, you can still move your shoulders and upper arms about very freely. that does not happen once. if someone was attacking your head or face, this would be the part of your body that would be reacting the most violently, yet it doesnt move at all. if you dont believe, lie down on the floor, put your hands behind your back and imagine being in that position. now try to move around and see which parts of you move most freely. it's the upper half of the body.

5. the 'terrorists'. if these guys are hardened, war torn terrorists, who have dedicated their lives to killing americans, then i'm donald fucking duck. the two guys on the ends (the one on the right specifically) are so fucking twitchy and nervous and anxious. if you're a terrorist group at the level of alqaeda, and you're going to carry out something like this, you pick your top guys to be a part of it, as a 'reward'. those dudes were fat, pale, and squirmy. just look at the way they picked at their masks, as if they were 'tichy'. these are people that live, fight and train in 120 degree weather. they wear head wraps all the time because of dust storms. they are not going to worrying about an 'itchy' mask. the fat guy is so fucking figety, it would almost be laughable if this wasn't so grave. finally, right before they cut off the head, when they're all screaming.... does that really sound like the commited yell of a religious fanatic? people put more heart into cheering for their favorite basketball team. think about highschool, and every fight you ever saw. that's how mass violent actions look. this thing looked premeditated and phony as fuck. it's like a movie filled with bad actors who aren't quite sure what their 'motivation' is. muslims pray to mecca 5 times a day, every single day. 'allah akbar' is more than second nature to them, yet they appear to shout it in the video like it was being read off a teleprompter. it's just not natural in the way it would be if they were really hardcore terrorists.

i won't even get into the theories about the chair being military issue, the guns possibly being israeli models, the fact that the fat guy appeared to be wearing white tennis shoes, or that nick was wearing a us military style prisoner uniform. those things are all kind of secondary to the medical, physical, technical and theological issues.



So what trying to say here is that the movie is bull shit?
Dude they identified the body, they buried the body(without a head)
I think they would of known how he was killed.
I dont think this movie is bullshit, Dont go into to detail how there wasnt enough blood. How else do you think this guy died?

[villain]

Originally posted by mullet
So what trying to say here is that the movie is bull shit?
Dude they identified the body, they buried the body(without a head)
I think they would of known how he was killed.
I dont think this movie is bullshit, Dont go into to detail how there wasnt enough blood. How else do you think this guy died?


????

So I guess you think that every forensic examiner is some kind of angel and not swayed by bribes and or threats? Perhaps not even complicit? What about JFK? It's not the first time some shit like this happened.

[Weapon X]

Villain, you may be stupid, but you’re not an idiot.


But I think that video is real, even though my winamp was playing it with delayed audio and with a blue tint.

[villain]

Originally posted by Weapon X
Villain, you may be stupid, but you’re not an idiot.


But I think that video is real, even though my winamp was playing it with delayed audio and with a blue tint.

It's not just the quality of the video, although that is also questionable. I think the most striking thing is how the fuck did he go straight from US custody to "al queda" custody?

[Weapon X]

Perhaps we’ll never know. I can’t keep tabs on what’s going on over here, let alone what may be going on half a world away. I haven’t read into all this 'conspiracy' stuff; I’ll let the press handle that for me.

[mullet]

Originally posted by villain
????

So I guess you think that every forensic examiner is some kind of angel and not swayed by bribes and or threats? Perhaps not even complicit? What about JFK? It's not the first time some shit like this happened.

i think it would be kind of obvious if they found a headless
man i think they would have known how it was done. Plus a family member would have to identify the body and i dont think his wife, mother etc is going to fake his sons/husbands death.

[villain]

We know he is dead....

Oh never mind.

[BROWNer]

hey villain, did you peep that site out?
there is some awesome shit on there, imint of
iraq, declassified documents from desert storm,
national security directives, documents from air
force space command, etcetry..nerd city..

[villain]

Yeah holy shit BROWNer.... nice find. That will keep me busy for a long time.

[SIPPINJUICE]

this might have been said. but did you know that nick berg had a chance encounter with a 9/11 terrorist on a public bus. the terrorist asked to borrow his laptop to send an email. and nick berg gave him his password to his account and the terrorist sent messages using his account...aint that weird. thats from CNN.

[im not witty]

Originally posted by mullet
So what trying to say here is that the movie is bull shit?
Dude they identified the body, they buried the body(without a head)
I think they would of known how he was killed.
I dont think this movie is bullshit, Dont go into to detail how there wasnt enough blood. How else do you think this guy died?


Originally posted by mullet
i think it would be kind of obvious if they found a headless
man i think they would have known how it was done. Plus a family member would have to identify the body and i dont think his wife, mother etc is going to fake his sons/husbands death.


are you fucking mentally retarded? oh my god youre so fucking stupid that i almost cant stand it.

read carefully...no one is saying that this dude isnt dead, or that his head wasnt EVENTUALLY cut off. all the conspiracy shit thats being discussed here is pointing out how whoever cut his head off isnt who is being blamed for it, AND that its possible that he was already dead when his head was cut off.

yea "dont go into detail about how there wasnt enough blood" because that might actually be realistic evidence that the guy was dead before his head was cut off.

where do you children come from?

[mr.VIRS]

i was unawer of this thread and accidently opend a new one
how the hell can you cut a living human being's head with a knife damn and start from the back to make sure he suffers first...

[Crimsøn]

Originally posted by mr.VIRS
i was unawer of this thread and accidently opend a new one
how the hell can you cut a living human being's head with a knife damn and start from the back to make sure he suffers first...

Originally posted by Milton
Capitals are how they start, commas if they go too far, periods are how they end. Punctuation is our friend...

[BROWNer]

oinwoienvv2089.901

[villain]

ok word

[BROWNer]

covert ops.

[ClueTwo]

I'm thinking it should stay...

[BROWNer]

word back at yo.

[WhiteOx]

Originally posted by Zaius
i pray for justice. karma will have its way.



i am sick off this kind of foolishness

your prays will do nothing and karma does not exist, face the real world. dont hide in your sheltered denial.


DOES ANYONE REALISE THAT JOHN BERG'S TREATMEAT WAS HUMANE AS FAR AS MURDERS GO??? GETTING SHOT TO DEATH IN ANYWHERE BUT THE BRAIN IS SLOWER...AND PROBABLY MORE PAINFUL

DONT GET ME WRONG, MURDER IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO, BUT HIS MURDER WAS QUICK..THE MOTIVES FOR HIS DEATH WERE MORE PURE AS OPPOSED TO TO JUST PERVERTED SLEF GRATIFICATION.

JUDGING BY HIS FACE HE WAS NOT BEATEN OR TORTURED. HE WAS GIVEN THE LUXURY OF A QUICK DEATH. SOMETHING MANY IRAQIS HAVE NOT AFFORDED. HIS KILLING LASTED A FEW PAINFUL AND IMMENSELY SCARY SECONDS BUT IT WAS NUMBED BY SHOCK...

ONE MORE THING, DONT THINK I AM SOME HIPPY LEFT WING FAIRY TIPTOEING THE DAISYS SAYING "FUCK AMERICA, FUCK WAR''. I BACK THIS WAR FROM THE CONFINES OF MY SAFE COUNTRY, I JUST THINK THIS THING NEEDS TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE AND CONTEXT

[villain]

Do you have selective vision white ox? I have a homework assignment for you. Read the whole thread and then post. It might make more sense.

You do have a point about it being a humane death though. If that was even all queda that did it.

[WhiteOx]

i'm not trawling through six pages of karma

[gfreshsushi]

Originally posted by WhiteOx
DOES ANYONE REALISE THAT JOHN BERG'S TREATMEAT WAS HUMANE AS FAR AS MURDERS GO??? GETTING SHOT TO DEATH IN ANYWHERE BUT THE BRAIN IS SLOWER...AND PROBABLY MORE PAINFUL


"buckwheats. buckwheats for all of them."

[WhiteOx]

:confused:

[gfreshsushi]

things to do in denver when you're dead. rent it. christopher walken is amazing as a paraplegic mob boss.

[WhiteOx]

thanks for the tip, i'll do that
on a side note i love that scene with him in true romance

[gfreshsushi]

word to that my nizzle.

[dr.testical]

that shits nice that we can get alqaudi video tapes of beheadings but we can see the torture done to iraqi prisoners video tape. why dont we execute people. were masked like they do. i mean fuck i wear masks when im eating burger king. burger kings the illiminati fucking nagged me back when my friend and i ate there everyday they come in and sit 3 table ahead. they drink coffee and eat the non greasiest thing they could get which is i think is some gay atkin shit
but word there watching

[mullet]

Originally posted by WhiteOx


BUT HIS MURDER WAS QUICK..

JUDGING BY HIS FACE HE WAS NOT BEATEN OR TORTURED. HE WAS GIVEN THE LUXURY OF A QUICK DEATH. SOMETHING MANY IRAQIS HAVE NOT AFFORDED. HIS KILLING LASTED A FEW PAINFUL AND IMMENSELY SCARY SECONDS BUT IT WAS NUMBED BY SHOCK...


Am i reading what i think im reading or is this ^^on another subject?

Eeerrr what the hell are you talking about hes murder wasnt "quik"
The guys head was hacked with a knife(probably not the sharpest one)

[HYDRO BILL]

This thread is really good, filled with exellent links and different viewpoints. If you don`t like to read then fuck your illiterate ass. Get an educated opinion or get the fuck outta here.
RIP Nick Berg however you died
RIP to all the American and Iraqis that have been killed during this idiocy.

[imported_Tesseract]

Brown, i just read 'human resource expoitation training manual'...holy shit there are some nice profiles in there and i'm ,lovin the freudian touch

[GnomeToys]

Originally posted by mullet
Am i reading what i think im reading or is this ^^on another subject?

Eeerrr what the hell are you talking about hes murder wasnt "quik"
The guys head was hacked with a knife(probably not the sharpest one)

I see your reading comprehension and intelligence are shining through on yet another wonderful post.