FUCK ALL YOU BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS

[duh-rye-won]

i always thought of myself as a pretty liberal, left wing kinda guy. but i gotta say, i'm getting real fucking sick of the america bashing, (especially from non-americans), as well as the "let iraq set up their own gov't", shit. i'm even starting to feel less against the war to begin with.

fuck them. those fuckers are crazy and they dropped bombs on my favorite skate spot growing up as a kid. they wouldn't know how to set up their own fucking government without our help. they're fucking religious fanatics. religious fanatics are scary and fucked up.

i know america is fucked up too. we've done tons of fucked up shit. but i'm getting sick of being the bad guys. i know Bush is mentally handicapped. I know our shit is corrupt. but i don't think we're evil the way the people trying to run shit over there are evil.

in case you haven't noticed i don't really have much by the way of specifics to argue about. i don't have any well thought arguments. I just think that the USA are players. no, make that PLAYAZ'. and even tho we fuck up a lot, niggas still need to stop hating so hard. the world is a fucked up place and i'm sick of america being the focus of all the hate.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

-expat iquit

[KING BLING]

Originally posted by iquit
"let iraq set up their own gov't", shit.

You ignorant piece of shit, you operate under the assumption that the reason a "gov't" needs setting up has nothing to do with us ending the last one. But more to the point NO ONE IS FUCKING SAYING THAT EXCEPT THE ANGRY MONSTERS THAT HAUNT YOU IN YOUR SLEEP AT NIGHT THAT LOOK LIKE YOUR FATHER BUT MANIFEST THEMSELVES IN THE DAYLIGHT AS ANGRY ILLOGICAL AND PARANOID ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ANTI-WAR TYPES THAT YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF...


those fuckers are crazy and they dropped bombs on my favorite skate spot growing up as a kid.

...do I even need to react to this...

they wouldn't know how to set up their own fucking government without our help.

Thats true, we gave them the gift of Saddam Husein


I know our shit is corrupt.

...do I even need to react to this part deux...

in case you haven't noticed i don't really have much by the way of specifics to argue about.

...And that my friend is where that old axiom "Ignorance is bliss" comes from

-expat iquit [/b]


*spelling

[KillWhitey]

well iquit im not gonna diss you like King Bling
but check this out homie:

-Me and you arent making any money off the war

-Me and you are not safer because of the war

-Me and you do not have any say in stopping or going on with the war

-Me and you and the Iraqis dying every day because of our top political "leaders" have more in common with one another than does me and you and our top political "leaders".

-Bush Sr. planned his war for nothing more than $$ oil$$ that will stay in Bushs family for generations and generations, and raised Bush Jr. with his beliefs like any father does.

-Iraq had nothing to do with the World Trade bulidings

- Think of Baghdad like the city you live in, whatever it is, mines chicago, so imagine its just me but in Baghdad instead of Chicago and another country declares war on my country and the bomber planes and tanks and soldiers start rolling in down the streets of Chicago imposing curfews and shooting at anyone that tries to stop them (police, military, anyone).

damn brother iquit, youve gotta be smarter than that, no disrespect, you brought it up

[KING BLING]

I feel like this is a joke but it seems so real when I close my eyes...

[KillWhitey]

what? you got aim king bling, you wanna talk politics cause im blazed and nows the time

[KING BLING]

I actually hate these sort of conversations so tell me what you need me to hear....

plus I couldn't AIM with you if I wanted to I don't have a computer

[KillWhitey]

ah, forget it

[KING BLING]

*Forgotten

[seeking]

iquit,
need i remind you what your country did to you, after trying to declare a hip hop state of emergency?!
ummm, yeah.
they would probably stop hating us if we stopped killing them. that's usually how that sort of shit works.

[KillWhitey]

seeking you got AIM to talk politics?

[Rodney Trotter]

Originally posted by iquit
i always thought of myself as a pretty liberal, left wing kinda guy. but i gotta say, i'm getting real fucking sick of the america bashing, (especially from non-americans), as well as the "let iraq set up their own gov't", shit. i'm even starting to feel less against the war to begin with.

fuck them. those fuckers are crazy and they dropped bombs on my favorite skate spot growing up as a kid. they wouldn't know how to set up their own fucking government without our help. they're fucking religious fanatics. religious fanatics are scary and fucked up.

i know america is fucked up too. we've done tons of fucked up shit. but i'm getting sick of being the bad guys. i know Bush is mentally handicapped. I know our shit is corrupt. but i don't think we're evil the way the people trying to run shit over there are evil.

in case you haven't noticed i don't really have much by the way of specifics to argue about. i don't have any well thought arguments. I just think that the USA are players. no, make that PLAYAZ'. and even tho we fuck up a lot, niggas still need to stop hating so hard. the world is a fucked up place and i'm sick of america being the focus of all the hate.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

-expat iquit

Oh please, I thought you were more intelligent than this. Seems like the brainwashing got to you too.

Just remember that the whole world hates the US government, not the US people (well, not all of them).

[SilentBob]

As a anti war non american I feel I'm able to say safely that the anti war people here (Australia ) don't have anything against America in the sense of the people who live there, we just think your governments foriegn policy (and general stance on alot of issues) is evil...

If you want to make generalisations about sentiment here, Americans do have a reputation for being arrogant. But thats got nothing to do with the war. Its just one of the downfalls of our culture. On a certain level we tend to give everyone simplistic stereo-types.

E.g. We also think the French are smelly pussies and that the British are whinging pommes .. ( This ofcourse is total lowest common denominator steez ) ..

*edit Rodney beat me to it... damn you and your comprehensive wording that sums up my floundering post in one sentence ... fucking bollocks... :beat2:

[DR+DELUSION]

the thread title says it all. fuck em fuck em fuck em

[!@#$%]

america is a pale shadow of what it once was.

after my government decided it could investigate me without warrants, tap my phone without probable cause, use my tax dollars to fuel a culture war, it lost my respect.

our president stole an election
started a war for vengeance
and american people still support him

the FBI lied to a foreign government about ME..claiming i was a fugitive from felony charges. complete bullshit.

this is not the america my grandfather went to war for.
united state of embarassment



oh yeah, and the supreme court just decided it's illegal not to give your name to the cops when they stop you (even without cause)


www.killinghope.org (http://www.killinghope.org)

[!@#$%]

i already bitched about it in some other thread when it happened..
they kept me out of canada a few weeks ago.

i couldn't believe it.

they claim i fled form three felony charges.

i didn't, i faced the charges, they were all eventually dropped due to "lack of evidence"

the FBI won't let me straighten it out; they want the State Department to do it, i'm having a hard time.

[SayOne]

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Fuck Liberals!!!

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by CILONE/SK
I remember reading about this a little while ago. I would sue them if I was you.

i have considered getting the ACLU involved; if it gets worse, i will.


..the response of americans to this 'war on terror' has really polarized the country..it's unfortunate to see so many people equating "patriotism" with "blind acceptance of government policy"

[!@#$%]

i don't even know what we stand for anymore.

so many people got behgind dubya, even now.
it confounds me.

so many americans have supported him and his overseas adventures; i don't know who represents this country anymore.

i know that i am so far from what the popular opinion thinks and feels, i barely can consider myself an american.

plus the government we have all kapt in power keeps fucking me and my rights over.

the patriot act?
if this is what america has become, i want no part of it.

how can people still support this?
and since they do, what does that say about the U.S.??

if the rest of the world is right about us, i'll badmouth the u.s.

we need all the constructive criticism we can get

i've been around the world, and i know that the culture of life in other places is better for me than america's

our materialistic, apathetic consumer culture is ruining our society and our environment

[!@#$%]

i really hope you're right.

maybe .. Mr.Raven for Prez?

:lol:

[Vanity]

so what exactly do you mean by "We shoudl support this country."

the patriot act is terrifying... i've been looking for means to get out of the country for sometime now.

but even without that, i find it wierd that cops can get a warrent for someone's blood (literally).

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by CILONE/SK
There is a difference, but it goes the other way too. I am patriotic and do not accept that this government is doing the right thing. Yet whenever I say that we should support this country, I am immediatly dogged out by people who are against this war. They assume that I am fully backing everything this government does, I am not. What I am for is the USA and what that stands for. Right now, I hate that we look like idiots to the rest of the world, but that does not mean that I am going to bad mouth the US. It is the people in office that piss me off, not the US and there is a big difference in that, that most people don't get.

Word to that. I have this saying that I came up with a few years ago, that the flag doesn’t necessarily represent what your country is, but what you want it to be. There is a reason democracy exists. Flag burning solves nothing. Motherfuckers gotta be proactive, not reactive, know what I’m saying?

[Vanity]

damn, am i slow.

even after mcarthyism ended, there were still a number of rights that remained lost

on a side note, i actually have a "mcarthy for Senate" pin :king:

[!@#$%]

vanity^ that's a funny point about blood.

but, DNA is the best thing that's happened to our justice system...ever.

[<KEY3>]

what totally flips me out is that so many
americans who 'care so much for their freedom'
are willing to let their own gov't take away those freedoms.

like the point MIchael Moore was making in his latest book,
why the hell are 2nd amendment rights protected for suspected terrorists?
You can tap their phones and steal their DNA but you cant look into their Gun history?

fk'd

[Vanity]

so what does one do? voting, and running for office don't seem to work too well.... seems like all one can do are make a grip of money, and buy someone into office, or terrorism.

i do understand some of the 'conservative' economic motivations.... not so much the personal ones, but i do sort of understand the ass kissing of larger corporations. given the globalness of our world these days... if we give em any guff, they can just move overseas to some shitty place. even america was an absolutely horrible place for workers for a long time, but all the union strikes and ish aren't as powerful these days because they'll just be like, "fuck ya'll, we got wong sao's son over here that'll do the same shit for a tenth of the price." maybe an opressed labor force is part of any developing nation's growth; but given the ease at which travel is done, the development of nations will not be the same as times past (though i'm sure war will always be a tool). However, it seems that if we all kiss corporate ass, they'll just go to the lowest bidder, which will screw the rest of the world because of lax environmental standards, and corporate dominance over the market, and overcharge us all. so it seems as though the only way to keep this from happening, is for the world to unify.... which will never happen unless mars attacks.

intellectual masturbation

[Vanity]

oh, by the way.. i'm not attacking any one side. i'm liberal on some issues, and conservative on others.

"When you give up your freedom for protection, you end up with neither." - Ben Franklin (when he wasn't out fucking whores)

[Kr430n5_666]

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[T.T Boy]

im kind of torn on this as well, i was gonna make a thread, but im busy, so this may do.

on the one hand, i think the war is wrong, but on the other, i almost think people there need an iron fist to rule them. so many are uneducated and fall easily to whatever church grabs them up. maybe fear is the answer.

ive met a ton of american soldiers in the last 2 weeks, se4 can vouch for this, 19 of 20 didnt support iraq, but went in anyways, for that i give them respect. they were cool, good to hang out with, and all around pretty decent guys, who constantly get slagged for doing what they did. and everyone cries for muslims, then the exact same night, we get robbed by some muslim folks. well, more like ripped off.

so who do i feel sorry for? someone who yells,oh its all they know? no, your dont have to rob people, if your smart enough to do that, then you can get a job.

its such a tough situation.

[!@#$%]

what makes you mad?

that we had the gall to think we were the only country who deserved to be exempt from war crimes tribunals?

or that the U.N. came to its senses and decided that the united states should be held to the same standards as everyone else?

i think it's great that they won't give us some bullshit free pass to do whatever we want to anyone.

(then maybe we'd have some credibility when we told other countries not to abuse their POWs)

this, from the nation that didn't wanna follow the geneva convention so we developed a legal black hole just to keep from having to adhere to over 50 years of internatinally agreed policy

[<KEY3>]

and to think they wanted to impeach Clinton because he lied about getting a blowjob and some small potatos land deal.

[!@#$%]

man, after gitmo we don't have a fucking leg to stand on.

bush is such a moron.
the world was in our back pocket and he fucked it all up.

you can blame rummy for this.
if it hadn't been for abu ghraib, we would've gotten that exemption again.

and i wouldn't worry about our military peeps being tried for bullshit.

it took korea (or japan? don't remember) a hell of a lot of maneuvering to get those guys to stand trial for running down those schoolgirls in their army jeep.
and that was when we had that exemption.
guys still had to stand trial, they almost got away.

what if your sister was killed by some french military brats fucking around in their vehicle?!

fuck that.

[!@#$%]

hey i hear ya.
that abu ghraib shit..

i mean, i want some important heads to roll.

how is the army gonna let grunts take the fall for that?!

and again, where the fuck are the american people?
don't they expect more form our military leadership?
apparently people don't realize the opinions that will resonate throughout the middle east because of that.

i read some muslims commenting that 'saddam may have tortured them, but at least he hadn't taken their dignity'

ouch.

[KillWhitey]

abu gharib is auschwitz

[KillWhitey]

Jenin is aushwitz

[26SidedCube]

The entire world is off-center. It's not the U.S. and it's not Iraq.

Perfection does not exist, people are inherently flawed. Therefore the way the world functions will always have glitches.

I'm sick of liberals, too. I'm sick of everyone's half-assed grabs at understanding and explaining the situation over and over. I'm sick of conservatives. I'm sick of Bill O'Reilly and Rush. I'm sick of Michael Moore. Granted, in life things need to be examined and questioned... fact is, how much do all of you really think you know?

How much do you think it would change anything if you could blow the lid off the most covert conspiracy in the past 4 years? Not much. Know why? Because for each and every one of you who genuinely cares for the demise of the world on global scale there's about a thousand rednecks in middle america voting against you... as long as they get to wake up, go to the factory, come home, drink a beer, scratch their balls and mow their lawn... where's the conflict?

The world is fucked. Period.

[2 blaazed]

if bush gets reelected....im out...

[the_gooch]

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[fiberoptical]

Love for your country has nothing to do with lving the goverment and the bafoons who are running the country and makinig decisions that future generations will have to deal with.

Staged...it is all staged.

[Poop Man Bob]

iquit -

You essentially said that we shouldn't rag on our government because it's not as bad as Saddam's. Or as bad as jihadists. Or as bad as Al Queda.

Being "not as bad" isn't shit.

[imported_Tesseract]

100% pure ignorance...take it from me, i'm non american and i hate your foreign pollitics.
You can persuade me you're doing the right thing?
You can persuade me iraqis are happier?
You can justify your superiority that makes you the global police?

I dont think so,
the world would be just fine without you, its been like that for thousands of years, believe that.

FUCK YOUR BRUISED EGO AND WAKE UP

[T=E=A=S=E]

word the fuck up brother iquiter.

seriously though, if white man wasnt corrupted and cutthroat like he was back in the beginning of time, like coming here and using slaves to build the place up, etc etc, we wouldn't be who we are today, and thats the truth.

what im saying is, although we might not have done things the correct way always, we did what we had to do, to get shit done, the best way it could be done, it get what WE needed. selfish? yes. but thats been like that since the beginning of time. thats why our country is still the strongest in the world. thats why our government, although a little shady and crooked and whatever else it might be, has stood the test of time.

im not the smartest i know, but we're doing something right to be still standing, and standing in the position that we are.

and i agree with iquit, fuck those cornball brainwashed weirdos over seas. they couldnt make a concensce(sp?) decision on their own if they tried.

[imported_Tesseract]

you're retarded, its not about hating on your opinion but its proven in numerous threads that you dont know the first thing about pollitics or the rest of the world...what the fuck are you talking about? and you have the nerve to call others brainwashed weirdos from overseas....

[imported_Tesseract]

and how the fuck can anyone believe he's liberal while nationalism pops from everyword?

i'm out of here

[T=E=A=S=E]

Originally posted by Tesseract
you're retarded, its not about hating on your opinion but its proven in numerous threads that you dont know the first thing about pollitics or the rest of the world...what the fuck are you talking about? and you have the nerve to call others brainwashed weirdos from overseas....

all i can tell you is that i wont be blowing myself up for some fairy tale mythological figure.

/that shits for the birds.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by T=E=A=S=E
all i can tell you is that i wont be blowing myself up for some fairy tale mythological figure.

/that shits for the birds.

Hahaha, whats that suposed to mean? do you even know?

All you can tell me is that you have nothing to say to support your opinion, you have an opinion thats based on nothing but speculations and feelings and you know that aint shit so i really wonder why you feel the need to speak in the first place

[T=E=A=S=E]

tess, quit being a asshole. you guys always think youre so smart like youre opinion is always right, and no one elses' matters. fuck you dude.

my opinion makes sense, and i think its correct.

what i was saying was, when the united states was created, we used slaves to do the dirty work, ran off the indians, and so on.

and although that wasnt nice, wasnt the best way to handle things, they did what they had to do, to get the job done. bottom line.

then when the united states was created, the constituition and all that other crap we have, they were doing something right because its all stood the test of time.

our government is strong, our military is powerful, and believe it or not, everyone does look to us to make sure everything goes smoothly.

if someone invaded you fucking pansy ass canucks or wherever the fuck youre from, yall know you'd want some fucking help. so put a cork in it.

all you fucking foriegn countries do that shit. talk big, then some shit pops off, and you go running for fucking help.

the world depends on us, to an extent atleast. and thats how it is.

all i was trying to say was that, we might not always do the right thing when we try to accomplish some shit, but we do what we gotta do to get the job done. and the job being done is defined by what we want to happen. and yes, that makes it convient for us. like in this iraq dilema, shits not working out right, so we more than likely will abort mission soon, hence, working in our favor.

i never said the united states was perfect, in fact i know we have a ton of problems to, but im still saying that they are doing something right, because they are still around. meaning our government.

[ment2]

gosh you guys know so much about politics. you should be president. you obviously know exactly whats wrong with the world.

[MEROJUANA]

I DONT GIVE A FUCK AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU, NIGGAS ARE ALWAYS YAPPING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS SHIT ON THEIR THOUSAND DOLLAR COMPUTERS, IN THEIR HOUSES WITH A/C WHILE THEY SIP COOLATAS...FUCK GEORGE BUSH RIGHT? BE HAPPY THAT FOR THE MAJORITY OF YOU NIGGAS YOUR WORST DAILY PROBLEM IS THE NIGGA AT STARBUCKS PUTTING TOO MUCH CHAI IN YOUR LATTE...RIGHT NOW IM CHILLIN, IM ABOUT TO SMOKE A BLUNT, I LIVE IN THE BRONX WHERE A BOMB WILL NEVER FALL BECAUSE THOSE STUPID ASS JIHAD NIGGAS KNOW NOONE WILL GIVE A FUCK IF THEY CRASH A PLANE HERE...I DONT KNOW ANYONE IN THE ARMY AND IF I DID OR WAS IN THE ARMY MYSELF THAT WOULD MEAN I HAVE A VERY AUTOMATIC GUN TO HOLD MYSELF DOWN. IM IGNORANT AS THEY COME WHEN IT COMES TO FACTS AND DEBATING SHIT, BUT THE FACTS I KNOW IS THAT IM ALIVE AND I WAKE UP EVERY DAY AND EAT 3 MEALS A DAY AND SHIT IN A NICE TOILET BOWL. IN GRAFF IF A NIGGA BOMBS HARD AND GOES OVER A FEW NIGGAS IN THE PROCESS, NIGGAS HATE ON HIM, BUT HE'S STILL ALL CITY SO HE DID WHAT HE WANTED TO DO...SAME SHIT WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, THEY STEPPED ON ALOT OF NIGGAS TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND SOME NIGGAS EITHER WANNA ROLL WITH US BUT FOR THE MOST PART NIGGAS STARVING IN 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES ARE HATING. AND I GIVE NO LOVE TO ANY RELIGIOUS FANATIC, ALL THOSE NIGGAS CHOPPING NIGGAS HEADS OFF SHOULD ALL BE SENT TO RIKERS, FUCK THE DEATH PENALTY, LOCK THOSE NIGGAS UP WITH A BUNCH OF SCARY NIGGAS ON THE ISLAND. THATS WHAT IT IS, I SPOKE MY PIECE AND IM PRETTY SURE THATS HOW EVERY REGULAR NIGGA WITH REGULAR SHIT ON THEIR MIND FEELS. I DONT HAVE STUPID SHIT LIKE THIS ON MY MIND, WHEN YOU DO IT JUST MEANS YOUR LIFE IS TOO EASY AND YOU HAVE TO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS. IM TRYING TO EAT. THAT SAID, GEORGE BUSH IS A MOTHERFUCKING IDIOT, CLINTON SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT TILL HIS CASKET DROPPED.


M E R O E.
MLBTEAM.

[T=E=A=S=E]

Originally posted by ..fuD..
gosh you guys know so much about politics. you should be president. you obviously know exactly whats wrong with the world.

id bomb iraq and most of its surrounding countries, and turn that shit into a parking lot.

word up.

[imported_Tesseract]

What i'm trying to do is get you to actually back up your opinion with some fuckin facts for a change and it looks like it worked...here you are spitting out 2nd grade history and fox news headlines. Your goverment got on top based on an election fraud and it wont be up for long, in the meantime they managed to destroy everylast drop of respect the rest of the world had. I'm fully aware of the good stuff americans have contributed on a pollitical level but these days are long gone...all you have now is lies, greedyness, fraud and disaster...you dont have to know worldwide pollitics to see that, check your own country, check your own life...you're here to help who?
You're the ones under attack by extremists, and you're the ones draggin your allies to tragedies like the one in madrid...if you dont realise just how wrong bush is we aint got nothing to talk about.
Bottom line, you aint helping anyone but yourself and theres a reason for everything, man up and face it.

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by T=E=A=S=E
id bomb iraq and most of its surrounding countries, and turn that shit into a parking lot.

word up.

hahahahaaha, you need to know at least a countries name to punch in the coordinates...

now, can you see how your words reflect an illiterate racist biggot? good

[T=E=A=S=E]

another news flash for you tesser...

"I'm fully aware of the good stuff americans have contributed on a pollitical level but these days are long gone...all you have now is lies, greedyness, fraud and disaster..."

politics is all full of shit, and corruption, and all that other bullshit. same with governments. theyre all fucked up. nothing is perfect, especially when mans involved. and it never will be.

[imported_Tesseract]

oh my god, the enlightment continues...:lol:

[wiseguy]

Originally posted by Tesseract
What i'm trying to do is get you to actually back up your opinion with some fuckin facts for a change and it looks like it worked...here you are spitting out 2nd grade history and fox news headlines. Your goverment got on top based on an election fraud and it wont be up for long, in the meantime they managed to destroy everylast drop of respect the rest of the world had. I'm fully aware of the good stuff americans have contributed on a pollitical level but these days are long gone...all you have now is lies, greedyness, fraud and disaster...you dont have to know worldwide pollitics to see that, check your own country, check your own life...you're here to help who?
You're the ones under attack by extremists, and you're the ones draggin your allies to tragedies like the one in madrid...if you dont realise just how wrong bush is we aint got nothing to talk about.
Bottom line, you aint helping anyone but yourself and theres a reason for everything, man up and face it.

word the fuck up tesseract. tease, your a racist bigot, fuck off. go watch fox news, jerk off and enjoy wallowing in the spoils of being a middle class, white, ignorant american, with no knowledge or interest in the rest of the world.

[Vanity]

26.. then what do you propose we do? give up and join the army?

mero... the reason you have all that is because people didn't sit complacently by. yeah, it's great to be thankful for what we have, but think about it being 1830, and cats are jsut like "damn... massa whipped me 15 times today for not pickin' cott'n fast 'nuff.. but dis co'n brea' sho' is fine... i gotta thanky the mighty lo'd errday fo' dis fine fine co'n brea'"

there's nothing wrong with wanting to help people. and a lot of people are against the war for economic/political reasons, namely how the world doesn't support us, so they won't let us get away with other shady shit in the future.

just takes one atomic weapon to fuck up the world.

[T=E=A=S=E]

Originally posted by wiseguy
word the fuck up tesseract. tease, your a racist bigot, fuck off. go watch fox news, jerk off and enjoy wallowing in the spoils of being a middle class, white, ignorant american, with no knowledge or interest in the rest of the world.

yea yea, shut up.

:rolleyes:

[GeraloRivera]

Originally posted by T=E=A=S=E
word the fuck up brother iquiter.

seriously though, if white man wasnt corrupted and cutthroat like he was back in the beginning of time, like coming here and using slaves to build the place up, etc etc, we wouldn't be who we are today, and thats the truth.
-YOUR RIGHT! if we HADNT used slavery to build our country, maybe us americans would have a work ethic!!! maybe we wouldnt be so god damn fat!! then again what do i know, my family came over on a shitier boat 50 years ago. and im pretty sure when the whiteman came to america, that wasnt the beginning of time.

what im saying is, although we might not have done things the correct way always, we did what we had to do, to get shit done, the best way it could be done, it get what WE needed. selfish? yes. but thats been like that since the beginning of time. thats why our country is still the strongest in the world. thats why our government, although a little shady and crooked and whatever else it might be, has stood the test of time.
-yes, a whooping 200 some odd years. as opposed to them darn towel nagars who have only been around them parts since the beggining of time.

im not the smartest i know
-i knocked this bitch up after gettin my nob swabbed

and i agree with iquit, fuck those cornball brainwashed weirdos over seas. they couldnt make a concensce(sp?) decision on their own if they tried.
-as opposed to some ignorant hick who believes everything he hears on fox news

[GeraloRivera]

apparently im not the first to reply to that. ok then.

[Dr. Dazzle]

There's no emoticon to describe how I'm feeling!

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by Tesseract
...the world would be just fine without you...


Without America, there would be no MLB, NFL, NCAA, Melrose Place, Beverly Hills 90210, Hip-Hop, Rock and Roll, and lots of other things. God Bless America, save for the SUVs and fat, gluttonous people.







And that’s my genius statement of the day – while watching Jackass: The Movie at 2:00am.

[sneak]

Mero talks the most sense here.
simply, the war and everything else simply has no daily effect on many americans lives. im not saying it doesnt register, but how many yanks wake up to bombs dropping, soldiers arresting them etc?

because it doesnt affect where thier next meal is coming from (or in mero's case - how clean his toilet is) many americans will probably stand by and let it go on. remember, Bush probably has done other stuff inhis time rather than wage war on other countries/ He may have tried to improve your healthcare, or education, or curb unemployment levels.

What im saying here is that there are things which do matter to your average american - such as whether he is likely to have a job in the next few weeks, what would happen if he hurts himself, or how well his kids are being educated. If Bush has made things happen for some groups of your population then they are likely to vote for him again despite what he's doing internationally, but because he could be improving everyday life at home.

sneaks/ not sure if that came out like it did in my head.

[GeraloRivera]

Originally posted by 26SidedCube


How much do you think it would change anything if you could blow the lid off the most covert conspiracy in the past 4 years? Not much. Know why? Because for each and every one of you who genuinely cares for the demise of the world on global scale there's about a thousand rednecks in middle america voting against you... .

thats true but there are also alot of people who would care about conspiracys. one about our wonderful army..a good friend of mines cousin was "overseas" a little over a year ago on special forces. he got killed and was sent home to be buried....all the army told them was he committed suicide and then asked where he was they said "over seas" and thats all of the information they were given. he had a wife and a young kid, a good job, ect. my guess is he was ether doing something he shouldnt of been or found out somehng he shouldnt of known.
now most people probably dont care about that, but i sure as shit wouldnt join he army now unless i absolutely had to.

[Brownbread?]

I dont know whose worse the cracks from Scarborough Country or the enlightened liberals. They may have opposing views on who the bad guy is but it seems like they are all following the same shepherd.

I agree with what 26SidedCube said. Like this forum the world is painted with shades of gray. I find it hard trying to distinguish whats right from wrong or who the good guys are but its pretty easy to just point a finger.

[KillWhitey]

Mero -
so what if were comfortbale? so what if were not directly affected by the war? its not like it doesnt affect us one way or another. bin laden or whoever bombed the world trade probably did that cause an american soldier probably killed his brother or something. all the money going ot the war in iraq is going to affect us either through the job market or through public maintainance, especially through federal money getting put into our respective states. so 14 iraqis were killed today? i guarantee they all had families and as long as their families are alive they will be pissed at us and might be the next bin laden, or join a terrorist cell that does even worse shit. shit, it affects us all, maybe not at the exact moment, but it does, its one world, its not like Iraq is in outer space, its only 14 hours from Jew York.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Originally posted by 26SidedCube
The entire world is off-center. It's not the U.S. and it's not Iraq.

I'm sick of liberals, too. I'm sick of everyone's half-assed grabs at understanding and explaining the situation over and over. I'm sick of conservatives. I'm sick of Bill O'Reilly and Rush. I'm sick of Michael Moore. Granted, in life things need to be examined and questioned... fact is, how much do all of you really think you know?

The world is fucked. Period.

[SilentBob]

Originally posted by MEROJUANA
I DONT GIVE A FUCK AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU, NIGGAS ARE ALWAYS YAPPING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS SHIT ON THEIR THOUSAND DOLLAR COMPUTERS, IN THEIR HOUSES WITH A/C WHILE THEY SIP COOLATAS...FUCK GEORGE BUSH RIGHT? BE HAPPY THAT FOR THE MAJORITY OF YOU NIGGAS YOUR WORST DAILY PROBLEM IS THE NIGGA AT STARBUCKS PUTTING TOO MUCH CHAI IN YOUR LATTE...RIGHT NOW IM CHILLIN, IM ABOUT TO SMOKE A BLUNT, I LIVE IN THE BRONX WHERE A BOMB WILL NEVER FALL BECAUSE THOSE STUPID ASS JIHAD NIGGAS KNOW NOONE WILL GIVE A FUCK IF THEY CRASH A PLANE HERE...I DONT KNOW ANYONE IN THE ARMY AND IF I DID OR WAS IN THE ARMY MYSELF THAT WOULD MEAN I HAVE A VERY AUTOMATIC GUN TO HOLD MYSELF DOWN. IM IGNORANT AS THEY COME WHEN IT COMES TO FACTS AND DEBATING SHIT, BUT THE FACTS I KNOW IS THAT IM ALIVE AND I WAKE UP EVERY DAY AND EAT 3 MEALS A DAY AND SHIT IN A NICE TOILET BOWL. IN GRAFF IF A NIGGA BOMBS HARD AND GOES OVER A FEW NIGGAS IN THE PROCESS, NIGGAS HATE ON HIM, BUT HE'S STILL ALL CITY SO HE DID WHAT HE WANTED TO DO...SAME SHIT WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, THEY STEPPED ON ALOT OF NIGGAS TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND SOME NIGGAS EITHER WANNA ROLL WITH US BUT FOR THE MOST PART NIGGAS STARVING IN 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES ARE HATING. AND I GIVE NO LOVE TO ANY RELIGIOUS FANATIC, ALL THOSE NIGGAS CHOPPING NIGGAS HEADS OFF SHOULD ALL BE SENT TO RIKERS, FUCK THE DEATH PENALTY, LOCK THOSE NIGGAS UP WITH A BUNCH OF SCARY NIGGAS ON THE ISLAND. THATS WHAT IT IS, I SPOKE MY PIECE AND IM PRETTY SURE THATS HOW EVERY REGULAR NIGGA WITH REGULAR SHIT ON THEIR MIND FEELS. I DONT HAVE STUPID SHIT LIKE THIS ON MY MIND, WHEN YOU DO IT JUST MEANS YOUR LIFE IS TOO EASY AND YOU HAVE TO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS. IM TRYING TO EAT. THAT SAID, GEORGE BUSH IS A MOTHERFUCKING IDIOT, CLINTON SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT TILL HIS CASKET DROPPED.


M E R O E.
MLBTEAM.

[<KEY3>]

I know this is moving back a bit in the argument,

but tease.... there is no 'bottom line' when it comes to history. It continues to evolve as we live it. America abused a lot of people and stepped on a lot of toes all over the world to get where it is today. This doesnt mean the american people are corrupt or negative, but it does mean the rest of the world sees it that way. America used to be 'home of the free' but Bush has changed that. Before you people from other lands would dream of coming to america to get rich and have a safe and secure life for their family. Well now Bush has made it so that 'freedom' is less important and everyone knows that the rich get richer while the poor go deeper into debt.

the reason why people are mad at america right now is because the current administration has taken away the 'american dream'. Now instead of heading to America, land of oppourtunity, people would rather head someplace else.

you cats follow that?

[26SidedCube]

Originally posted by <KEY3>
the reason why people are mad at america right now is because the current administration has taken away the 'american dream'. Now instead of heading to America, land of oppourtunity, people would rather head someplace else.

you cats follow that?

This is the type of thing I like to read. Logical inferences are easier to stomach than opinion wars.

Originally posted by Vanity
26.. then what do you propose we do? give up and join the army?

No, all I'm saying is leave passionate politics to the professionals.

I don't care about people discussing it, it's just when it gets heated and people start shoveling shit down each other's throats over who's opinion or set of "facts" is more credible it gets pretty pathetic pretty quick. Especially when you take into account we only know as much as we're allowed to arguments dissolve algebra fast.

That's just where I stand. By all means, keep discussing, I just can't help but open my...key..mouth.

P.S.
Like Mero basically said... war is football on a really big field but the game is only shown on really expensive cable in houses with three cars parked in the driveway, a fireplace and 2.5 spoiled white kids wearing Nike and eating half of their Chef Boy Ardee before throwing it out and demanding more inside.

[SilentBob]

I was always under the impression that the american dream was just the collective ego of your nation preserving its own self image. All western nations do it.. most others too..

[<KEY3>]

well there's the 'american dream' for americans who are already living here and the other dream for people who want to come to america.
for example.....

war in sudan? come to america where you are safe.

potato famine in ireland? come to america where there's food for everyone.

political turmoil in coloumbia? in america it's a free democracy.

Now people all over the world are seing that the reasons to come to america are not as true as they once were. They see america going to war to make oil money for some rich white men at the expense of the working classes children. And as far as the 'freedom' thing.... you honestly think there are a lot of Arabs who think life would be safer and better in the US?

People hate the current state of america for taking apart the 'american dream.'

[BROWNer]

WELSH
In this world a man himself is nothing. And there ain't no world but this one.

WITT
You're wrong there, Top. I seen another world. Sometimes I think it was just my imagination.

WELSH
(smiles)
Well, then you've seen things I never will.
We're living in a world that's blown itself to hell as fast as everybody can arrange it. In a situation like that all a man can do is shut his eyes and let nothing touch him. Look out for himself.
I might be the best friend you ever had. You don't even know it.

[<KEY3>]

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[SilentBob]

I see what your getting at... America has lost the repute as a humanitarian country it once might of had. Loss of the "american dream" as you put it. You'll have to forgive me because I'm not as brushed up on my american history as I once was. But I think its fair to say that the "american dream" in the sense your talking about it was just a measure taken during the countries 'populate or perish' stage. Its just the glorification of immigration that needed to happen for the country to somewhat stay on its feet. Or mabye im confused. I gave up on emphasising history a fair while ago so if wrong please tell me.

Aside from that I was talking about the american dream on a more societal basis... people who immigrated to america were not excepted with open arms as that whole statue of liberty myth would have one believe and as I said above it was not something done out of humanitarian concerns but self intrest.

All of that land of the free home of the brave stuff is just shit that is there to try and unify the nation state. Its all very 1984 if you ask me..

[BROWNer]

34ob 3e[ob http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/...epresident.html (http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thehuntingofthepresident.html)

[Poop Man Bob]

Looks good, Brownz.

I have my tickets for tomorrow's 4:20 pm showing (I know, ha ha.) of Fahrenheit 9/11.

[BROWNer]

i love how they use those sensational blockbuster
effects and sound in the trailer..straight from hardcopy.

yea, i'll be going this weekend as well. did you read
the hitchens piece? i thought it was a bit much.
in any case, guaranteed to be entertaining and interesting.

[Poop Man Bob]

I saw a bit of Hitchens on MSNBC last night. Watched a tad. Got bored. Picked my ass. Turned the TV off. I've yet to read the article.

Okay, I just tried reading it ... but, for some odd reason, I'm not going to go beyond this paragraph:
To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.
I'll watch it tomorrow and make my own conclusions, which are almost guaranteed to be completely different than his.

[villain]

Fuck the patriot act, they are only looking after their own asses. They didn't save my girlfriend.
Fuck this bullshit war. Oil and power and money.... Fuck it all, it's all vanity. Morality and values, compassion and belief have become mere tools of manipulation. It's fucking disgusting.
I tried to save the world, my pathetic self, and I only lost what's most important to me. We could have done this together... but in trying to protect her, I have lost her.

[BROWNer]

villain...what's up dude? sorry to hear that.
pooply..i didn't finish it either. it was awfully long and
seemed pissy for someone like him..maybe he has
hemmorhoids.

[villain]

Originally posted by BROWNer
villain...what's up dude? sorry to hear that.


Thanks.
My girlfriend overdosed because I broke up with her cause I didn't want to hurt her cause I have so many problems. Looks like I just can't win. I'll make a dedication thread.

[Poop Man Bob]

Hell, I got roids, but I'm generally a pretty chipper guy. Perhaps it's his hair.

[Poop Man Bob]

How's she doing now, villian?

[imported_Tesseract]

Originally posted by villain
Thanks.
My girlfriend overdosed because I broke up with her cause I didn't want to hurt her cause I have so many problems. Looks like I just can't win. I'll make a dedication thread.

damn villain...i'm really sorry to hear that

[BROWNer]

shit villain, i'm sorry man...

[villain]

Thanks everyone... I'm afraid she's dead. It's a nightmare I can't wake up from.