Burton Snowboards.... (new 'graf' designs)

[<KEY3>]

Remember last year Joker had a series of boards with burton....
well this year it's WATER!

Not as well known as joker.... but very slick designs none the less.

(and he's a stand up guy... unless he's sitting down)

[img]http://mirror05.burton.com/images/burton/gear/pp/B5016301.jpg'>
[img]http://mirror05.burton.com/images/burton/gear/pp/B5016303.jpg'>
[img]http://mirror05.burton.com/images/burton/gear/pp/B5016305.jpg'>
[img]http://mirror05.burton.com/images/burton/gear/pp/B5016307.jpg'>
[img]http://mirror05.burton.com/images/burton/gear/pp/B5016309.jpg'>

[img]http://mirror05.burton.com/photos/static/BoardGraphicStoryAir/air_1.jpg'>

[Gunm]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm'eh

[me IS cool]

the black board is alright....

[rubbish heap]

Last season they made a late release, the Burton Stash. I thought the Krylon can was pretty ill...
[img]http://www.theboarder.co.uk/getkit/grafix/burton_stash.jpg'>

[Telo]

Im into sonowboarding a wee bit but alot of the boards out nowadays would look cooler hanging on someones wall than fuckin it all up... hahah... drunk...

[EyeforAnEYE]

it looks like a tribal tattoo, but in graffiti form

[Jake Stevens]

gonna go get me one of them now so i am..

[parcheesey]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
[b]Last season they made a late release, the Burton Stash. I thought the Krylon can was pretty ill...


that krylon or rusto board looks nice, but too big for me :o. when did they come out? what about the joker ones, i never seen em, post those if u have flicks. currently i have an 04 custom 154.

[parcheesey]

by the way, whats with stash getting all his designs for companies. so far ive seen stash skateboards, a few nike shoes, and now these snowboards. weird.

[High Priest]

No Thanks, altho im feeling the stash boards.. im not big on riding decks of any sort that have graphics on them.

[GamblersGrin]

a friend of mine just designed a tshirt for burton. the design is called protest. his site is www.rikcat.com (http://www.rikcat.com)

[the_gooch]

burton has nothing to do with graffiti and it should stay that way!!!

WEAK!

[fuckyou]

shitty spaghetti.

[cloner]

graff sells..

[the_gooch]

Originally posted by cloner
graff sells..

exactly cause it is "trendy"

oddly enough, today tyler durden and i were painting this local spot at a skate and surf shop. the skate shop is located in one building and the surf shop is in another but they are owned by the same people. so anyway, one of the owners is a fan of graff and he always lets people paint the walls in the back.

so, when i finished the piece i did, i went and started painting a quick little fill on one of the small dumpster that are already ALL painted and tagged. so, as i am painting, one of the trendy hipster employees or assistant managers comes out to thow out garbage or whatever and is like "that's just gonna get painted over tomorrow" so i look up at him and i am just like "that's cool" and i keep painting. so then the hipster goes, "i dont how many times i told you kids to not paint the dumpsters!?!?" so, i look at him and i am like "you never told me anytnhing" so i stopped painting and got up and just stared at him. then i walked back and wrote over what i was doing "EAT ME!"

but my point is this: hipsters like the "look" and "energy" of graffiti, not everything else that comes with it. not the tags, not the fills, not the VANDALISM. so i shit on people who are just "dick riding" graffiti and doing what hot topic did to punk.

i own a small clothing company that has some graff elements to it, but i am a writer and have been for like 11 yrs, i'm not some fan-boy or corporation hiring some artist trying to make a living.

sorry for the rant.

[Abracadabra]

aaarrrggghhh 3d graffiti...my eyes hurt

[Kr430n5_666]

[img]http://www.kak.ru/images/archive/16/Plakats/Temp.jpg'>

[seeking]

water might be a cool dude, but that style is tired as hell. how can someone continue doing the same style for so many years and not get bored of it?

jokers boards were some of the dopest board graphics ive ever seen. not just cause he did them, but his style lends itself well to the dimmensions of a deck.

those stash boards are cool just because he used a red devil can. otherwise its played out.

[Nekro]

Hmm, reminds me of delta inc.

[Swiffer Jet]

Not a fan of his style, but I'm liking the colours.

[why write?]

^ i agree ^

[parcheesey]

Originally posted by johndoe
by the way, whats with stash getting all his designs for companies. so far ive seen stash skateboards, a few nike shoes, and now these snowboards. weird.

thot id post the stash shoes....

[img]http://www.onesweetpair.com/nikemenpics/109-0976_IMG.JPG'>
air max

[img]http://www.instyleshoes.com/images/kicks/307371001r.jpg'>
dunk

[StarzAbove]

That last 3D is pretty ill

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by Nekro
Hmm, reminds me of delta inc.

nah, doesn't look like delta.

it does, however, look like about 50,000 other 3d "writers"

[sarahyoulose]

First off... Burton Snowboards in general :nope: :nope:
i've heard some bad stuff about this company's quality of boards, they tend to die alot faster than other brands, but then again... Forum Boards are really bad too

but its totally true that "graff" sells, every store here has their own shop shirts written in "graff" letters. weak sauce

[Dr. Dazzle]

Wait.....don;t yo u woeelk with water? shouldn;'t you b eaddvising him to NOT do shit like this?

[Kr430n5_666]

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/hands/dicknose_o.jpg'>[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/hands/dicknose_a.jpg'>

[panic]

HAHA dicknose..
anyways, i'v always liked waters stuff, and he's a good guy.. i dont know if i'd ride those decks, i'd be most likely to hang it up.. same with the krylon deck, which is just the right hight for riding though..

[sarahyoulose]

Originally posted by Dr. Dazzle
Wait.....don;t yo u woeelk with water? shouldn;'t you b eaddvising him to NOT do shit like this?


drunk much?

[Gunm]

Originally posted by the_gooch


but my point is this: hipsters like the "look" and "energy" of graffiti, not everything else that comes with it. not the tags, not the fills, not the VANDALISM. so i shit on people who are just "dick riding" graffiti and doing what hot topic did to punk.

very well put.

[<KEY3>]

you know what.... punk did it to itself long before hot topic ever came to be.

after GG died... what can hold that flag?

[the_gooch]

Originally posted by <KEY3>
you know what.... punk did it to itself long before hot topic ever came to be.

after GG died... what can hold that flag?

yeah this is true to some extent, but is it safe to say that graff culture in some ways is doing the same thing??

[bigguy]

Originally posted by EyeforAnEYE
it looks like a tribal tattoo, but in graffiti form thats what i thought...

fucking faggit shit.

[Brewster Baker]

skateboard

[Weapon X]

every board on this page looks wak, in my eyes.

[JohnnyHorton]

Originally posted by sarahyoulose
First off... Burton Snowboards in general :nope: :nope:
i've heard some bad stuff about this company's quality of boards, they tend to die alot faster than other brands, but then again... Forum Boards are really bad too

but its totally true that "graff" sells, every store here has their own shop shirts written in "graff" letters. weak sauce

nuh uh
you can't player hate the dev walsh or jp boards ... probably two of t he sickest boards on the market
and forum were way ahead of the times when they introduced the sliders ...

[rubbish heap]

Originally posted by JohnnyHorton
nuh uh
you can't player hate the dev walsh or jp boards ... probably two of t he sickest boards on the market
and forum were way ahead of the times when they introduced the sliders ...

Guess what. Burton just bought Forums parent company, FourStar Dist.

[imported_Tesseract]

The whole graffiti culture 'dick riders' shit is plain stupid. I dont care if someone digs graffiti or a part of it while he isnt a writer himself. I wear shoes that are made for excellent racing performance, pants that where made for the military, a tshirt from a college i didnt attend and a watch made for divers...i dont have to do anything with all and frankly i dont care. As far as punk goes...it was created by fashion people if that rings any bells.

[TheoHuxtab|e]

[img]http://www.hellcouncil.com/wearedebris/DEC%202003/purple.jpg'>

[the_gooch]

Originally posted by Tesseract
The whole graffiti culture 'dick riders' shit is plain stupid. I dont care if someone digs graffiti or a part of it while he isnt a writer himself. I wear shoes that are made for excellent racing performance, pants that where made for the military, a tshirt from a college i didnt attend and a watch made for divers...i dont have to do anything with all and frankly i dont care. As far as punk goes...it was created by fashion people if that rings any bells.

Yeah tesser, I think you got what I said wrong, what I meant was simply this: I feel that Graff culture is being sold out and pimped by big corporations for the sake of having urban appeal, or an edgy urban vibe. I’m sorry, but you can’t deny that fact (although you will, I am sure). I have been writing and involved with Graff on some level since about 1989 (and I assure you, that I know that I am a no one in the grand scheme of things) yet I still have an opinion and it bothers me to see the whole art form watered down and neatly packaged for suburban mass consumption.

Now, I have nothing against an artist paying their bills, and I am sure that offers from big companies like Nike, CK, and any other of the hundreds of corporations that have used graffiti to market their products is tempting, and honestly, I would probably “sell out” if I had the chance to cash in and get some fast cash; I need to pay my rent too.

Graff has always been about getting over on the system in some way, and I suppose if a graffiti writer charges some big company a nice amount of loot to do some work for them then that is just a sophisticated way of them (the artist in question) “getting over”, and in fact, that would make me happy.

But it still turns my stomach to see companies that know nothing of graffiti use it as a marketing tool to sell their garbage. Yet at the same time Graff still has the reputation of being associated with gangs, drugs, and violence (at least where I am from it does). So, is Burton giving back to the culture? I know that there are some companies that have helped artists display their talents by securing legal areas for painting and supplying the artists with materials, I consider that giving back to the culture.

I have no problem with people “digging” graffiti culture, but they should be prepared to deal with all of the aspects of it when you decide to use it to make the “look” of your business more appealing or “edgy”.

And as far as punk is concerned, are you saying that the Ramones are these “fashion people” you speak of? I mean I know the Ramones and their shirts are very chic now with all the hipsters, but Kew Gardens Queens was never the fashion Mecca of NY, and the Ramones will always be the antithesis of fashion as far as I am concerned.

[Overtime]

i think the whole sold out mess is gay, yes, but those water 3d's are fuckin dope....

[JohnnyHorton]

Originally posted by rubbish heap
Guess what. Burton just bought Forums parent company, FourStar Dist.

peter line retired and doesn't care about snowboarding that much anymore + the deal probably made him uber-rich so congrats pete for gettin yours

[Mr. Peanut]

anarchy in the uk motherbitches.

[Mr. Peanut]

Originally posted by GamblersGrin
a friend of mine just designed a tshirt for burton. the design is called protest. his site is www.rikcat.com (http://www.rikcat.com)

should have made this thread for you friend's art instead.

[kidlugz]

not really my taste but i'm not going to hate all over him for cutting this deal. and you have to remember, to the general public 3d pieces are usually the most impressive--so from a marketing and sales standpoint, hiring a 3d airbrush graffiti artist like water was a smart move. i bet they'll sell.

[meateater]

just what i need.. a new snowwboarddddddddddd...
$$$

[war pigs]

i don't even really see that 3d "graf" board as graf, even if a writer did it....it's more like some abstract 3d wallpaperish tip...which is cool..it's clean and works well with the shape of the board...nice eye candy..nothing conceptually mindblowing, but it's a snowboard...it's supposed to be eye candy...

[heavyLox]

that 3d one in cnceptuallt mind blowing work. Brilliant shit.

[MartySchemeR]

Those r ill but too bad snowboardin is really gay. :love2:

[brusheskill]

these were designed by Giant for Burton

http://mirror05.burton.com/images/burton/gear/pp/B5024301.jpg
http://mirror05.burton.com/images/burton/gear/pp/B5024303.jpg
http://mirror05.burton.com/images/burton/gear/pp/B5024305.jpg
http://mirror05.burton.com/images/burton/gear/pp/B5024307.jpg

[porque]

...i'm not sure which company it was, it might have been burton...but they're doing a new series by tatoo artists across the country...all the shit i've seen that was submitted looked really nice...a guy a know is involved, but i haven't talked to him in months...

...i remmeber seeing those burton stash boards last year and just thinking to my self, "dear god...what now?" but then i saw the classic rusto can with scotty...i'd never buy one...but i can't knock 'em for trying...

[kidlugz]

those new giant boards are hot.

[Joker]

Actually, I think Tess is referring to Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren. VW was in the mix with all those kids during the early stages of the Punk movement. I don't know if the kids were influential at all to her designs but it's possible. Most designers look to the streest for inspiration, so it wouldn't suprise me if she did the same. Though she definitely gave the movement a sense of style regarding their icons... musicians. I recently saw the VW exhibit while on a day trip to London and was blown away by the first few items in the show. To think that it's a style she created way back in the seventies and it's still going strong today. Not by Hot Topic standards but by the kids who do it right. Just the idea that you can walk into a store and buy bondage pants is weird to me. Especially incredibly baggy bondage pants. I remember when you had to make your own. How's that for showing my age!

As for Burton and other companies riding the writer's dick... it's going to be the age old battle that is never won. Some will agree with the efforts and some will disagree. You can argue it all you want, but you're not going to cover or say anything meaningful that hasn't already been covered a hundred times. Hip Hop acts use graff in their videos... are they giving back to the culture? What about the faux-punk bands? Video game makers? Shoe companies? Publishers? Television corporations? The list goes on buddy. So let it go. The only ones giving back to the culture are the writers. That's the way it should be. Stay focused on that, and let the rest go on by. Keep giving by doing what you're doing. That's what keeps the culture thriving. Not some gifts from Comedy Central or Burton.

[seeking]

tesser nailed that shit with the army pants/college shirt/diver watch. on a personal level, it sucks to see graff being 'taken advantage' of like that in order to sell a product, but realisiticly, who gives a shit? ill vandalism will never be accepted, and i could give a shit less about a writer that only paints legals (you don't count joker ;) ).

seeks/etch makes everything better.

[Joker]

Originally posted by seeking@Oct 11 2004, 12:38 PM
... and i could give a shit less about a writer that only paints legals (you don't count joker
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Well, that's a load off! Especially since I haven't painted something decent all year. Though, that's mainly because I sold out.

[Al Green]

either way.. theyre getting paid doing something they love doing.


not enough of us have that priviledge.

*golf clap*

[dosoner]

all i know is if i had that level of skill, and someone wanted to pay me to do somthing for there company, id be backing my bags for selloutville. im sure alot of us could use some easy money.

[seeking]

doing what you always did and having the world finally taking notice is not selling out.
as long as what you're doing doesn't make you a total hypocrit, fuck it. and even then, fuck it. vacations dont grow on trees, ya know.

joker,
every time i think of you just painting legals, i think of the story of you an felon, drunk, doing that stupid train thing in the middle of the day, and i start laughing. you dont paint legals now because you're a sell out, you paint legals now because you're too old to run. toooootally different. ;) plus, i know in your heart you still get excited when you see shit get smashed, so thats all that counts.

[war pigs]

i still don't see these boards as "graf" boards though...writers may have created them but it's not like they actually did something "graffiti" styled for em...

giant's boards are more tattoo inspired illustration, and aside from the one "burton" logotype, it doesn't look like graf at all to me...

the 3d board seems more like some abstract stuff than some graf stuff...i don't know why people would cry "sell out" when it's obvious that graffiti was hardly part of the artist's concepts...i think it's funny that some people think if you're really a "hardcore" writer you can never work for a corporate client, like the concept of seperating personal art / client work is totally foreign to em or somethin...

you gotta sell out to eat out...

[Joker]

Hmmm... I think I understand what you're saying, War Pigs but I also think I have to disagree. Mainly because you mentioned that the 3D stuff looked more abstract than some graff stuff. Well, it's abstract graff then. The guy who did the design is a writer and the design is his name in 3D. That's graffiti. Abstract, simple, wild or 3D... it's all graffiti. The Giant boards are obviously more tattoo inspired than graff inspired but there is no denying that there is graffiti related imagery in them. Not to mention who did them. A writer. A well known writer. Who also happens to be a well known tattooist. Styles merge.

Of course, this is my opinion and I bet you can guess that I have no desire to argue about it. Your opinions are valid to you as mine are to me. You stated yours... I just stated mine. I ain't mad atch'ya!

Seeks, for some reason I'm drawing a blank on the Felon story you speak of. Drunk with Felon painting freights during the day... that doesn't really narrow it down my friend. Either way, I always had a laugh with that boy... as well as an adventure!

[war pigs]

man..i know we're all defensive on 12oz but i wouldn't argue about it if you had a different opinion...i like discussion though..

i didn't really study the 3d board..the whole board images are small and the close up shots, well..at first glance i didn't really see any letterforms, although on second look i can start to make stuff out...

i guess what i was trying to say though, in response to the sellout comments, is even if graf artists were commissioned to do the work...they definitely put the work in to coming up with original work, and not just lending their name to a product to be sold...

like...say if giant just did a bunch of "gi" throwups..and slapped a burton logo on it...and if burton was marketing the boards as "graffiti" boards..i could see why people would say sellout...

[porque]

...just to play devils advocate...the stash boards are blatent graffiti reference used to sell product...the giant boards are just plain hot...

[war pigs]

Originally posted by porque@Oct 12 2004, 11:54 PM
...just to play devils advocate...the stash boards are blatent graffiti reference used to sell product...the giant boards are just plain hot...
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which is why i intentionally left the stash stuff out of my comments ;)

i ain't gonna hate on dood but given the opportunity to create something really ill, i think the paint can concept is sort of a common theme, and a creative cop out...

i liked the stuff stash did with his subware label back in the day...but like..some of the nike stuff..like af1's with the nozzle motif seemed tired..the stash airmax bw's (one of my favorite nike shoe) were a cool colorway but the embroidered stash tag on the tongue was enough to make me not wanna cop em...when an artist does something like that it makes me think that his attitude towards creating shit is on some "yo i'm gettin paid son, and all these kids gonna cop it cuz they jock me" type shit...

i dunno..i'm sure someone here knows him and will react in a negative way to my opinion but that's just the way i feel about the shit...

[seeking]

jokr,
not freights, it was that stupid free train in portland. or atleast thats the way i remember it. maybe beards was lying to me though. becareful with the denying here. if i find out you didn't do it, you might slip into the 'fuck em, they only paint legals' bin...once that happens, your whole life is shot.

im a little confused as to what the argument here is? the boards were done by writers, who got the gig because they were writers. they then designed boards that have a 'graffiti feel'. even if the graff is 'non-conventional' (or boring, played, and never-that-hot-to-begin-with), it's still graff. did anyone sell out? no, they did the same thing they always have.

the stash boards, IMO are just cheap on everyones part. stash could have come fresher, but why bother, since im sure he gave them exactly what they wanted? he made a quick buck, they got to look edgy, whatever. a bottle of etch says graff will weather the storm.
;)

[war pigs]

there's no argument on my end...the first page of this thread is full of "graf shouldn't be used to sell product" replies..

all i was trying to say is the artists went beyond just creating "graf" for these boards..it seems like they put more thought and effort into them than just catchin a tag and slappin a logo on it...and cashing a fat check

[<KEY3>]

after seing all these replies.... I think it comes down to the old 'graffiti as art' argument.

These guys are making art (or 'designs' based on some tight ass definitions) and putting it on a new medium. No matter what their original motivation was, it would be damn nice to be riding on the mountain and see YOUR name go flying by. Getting up has changed, but not really.

[inkblots]

jeenyus

[Joker]

Originally posted by seeking@Oct 13 2004, 10:04 AM
jokr,
not freights, it was that stupid free train in portland...

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Oh, the Max train. Yeah, that was pretty hilarious. That guy chased us for blocks. And we couldn't have been running very fast due to the fact that we were blasted out of our minds. I think we were only two blocks from home... and I swear it took us like twenty minutes to get there.

[Overtime]

hottnesss...com

[Raw fish]

anyone know where I could find one of the joker boards from last year???

[Joker]

Originally posted by Raw fish@Nov 13 2004, 10:17 PM
anyone know where I could find one of the joker boards from last year???
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Good luck. I've been searching the internet like crazy and I can't find any. If you come up on some... let a brotha know.

[PESOS]

fuck burton ....i ride sims