JOHN KERRY IS A FLAMING PUSSY [Archive] - THE WRITERS FORUM

MEROJUANA

09-08-2004, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by a bronx tale
DAMM WHY DONT SOMEONE TELL HIM TO GROW SOME BALLS, BUSH MAY SUCK BUT AT LEAST HE GOT SOME BALLS TO FIGHT BACK WHEN SOMEONE DEGRADES HIM. IF KERRY CANT FIGHT BACK AGAINST BUSH WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE WILL FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE FILTHY TERRORISTS. EXPECT TO ALL DIE IF THAT FAGGOT BECOMES PRESIDENT. TERRORISTS WORLDWIDE WILL BE LIKE GREAT NOWS OUR CHANCE.

WOW NIGGA YOU ARE A FOOL. BUSH IS AN IDIOT, THE NIGGA STARTED A WAR FOR NO REASON. AND SENT EVERY NIGGA IN THE U.S TO THE DESERT TO DIE AND GET HIS HEAD CHOPPED OFF ON HOME VIDEO. FUCK BUSH. IF YOU'RE FROM THE BRONX THEN YOU ARE FROM THE HOOD, AND NOBODY IN THE HOOD IS VOTING BUSH...IF THEY'RE VOTING AT ALL, THEY'RE VOTING KERRY. BUSH WASNT SUPPOSED TO BE PRESIDENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE NIGGA ACCIDENTALLY BECAME PRESIDENT...BESIDES, KERRY IS JUST ACTING LIKE A PUSSY NOW BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANNA LOOK LIKE BUSH (IE: A FUCKING LUNATIC WHO WANTS TO KILL EVERYBODY THATS NOT A HETEROSEXUAL WHITE CHRISTIAN) KERRY'S JUST OVERDOING THE PASSIVE SHIT...AND CAMPAIGNING AND MUDSLINGING IS NOT NEARLY ON THE SAME LEVEL AS STOPPING A-RABS FROM BLOWING SHIT UP. COME ON NIGGA READ A BOOK.

MEROE
READY
TO DIE

Æ°

09-08-2004, 11:38 PM

And you better not talk back.

KiSe

09-08-2004, 11:48 PM

if you all havent seen this, you should.
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Abracadabra

09-09-2004, 12:05 AM

GWB has his head up his ass. next time him and his mates try to pull the "if you don't vote for bush, the terrorists will strike again" shit, just remember:

9/11 HAPPENED WHILE BUSH WAS IN OFFICE AND HE DIDN'T DO A DAMN THANG TO TRY AND STOP IT

KING BLING

09-09-2004, 01:01 AM

To tell you the truth, your psychotic display of ignorance is in part your own lack of research and unbiased reports by the media...but one example of "fighting back" by democrats as posted in the RNC thread:

http://69.59.167.160/tft/AWOL_Large.mov

Nekro

09-09-2004, 01:08 AM

///MERO 12OZ HERO///

Seriously, since when did someone who went to Vietnam voluntarily have to defend himself against some asshat who defended Texas from the imminent Oklahoma invasion?

Gary Trudeau (the guy who does the doonsbury comic) offered $10,000 for anyone who will come forward and say that george w bush served with them in the national guard. Nobody has.

Smart

09-09-2004, 01:19 AM

Bush is a draft dodger, he fought the war at Harvard business college (and failed to report to his cushy ass National Guard duty)*... Kerry is a for real war hero, decorated, all that...

Did you see today's Boston Globe?

*OH! and did you see today's soundbite? Bush saying that "maybe if they called the National Guard up" then the war would have ended differently. First, this fool is ignorant of why it's even called the NATIONAL guard. Second, if it was full of bitch ass rich kids who didn't show up for duty then I doubt it would have made a difference. Bush throws shit in the face of every Vietnam vet every time he speaks to this issue.

imported_suburbian bum

09-09-2004, 01:22 AM

StarzAbove

09-09-2004, 01:22 AM

BUSH is still gay KERRY kicks ass thats all!

26SidedCube

09-09-2004, 01:30 AM

Terrorism aside, I hope all you cozy middleclass republicans realize if this guy gets another 4 years both you and your families will be living nearly paycheck to paycheck. What makes this country so great is that you can come from literally nothing and with enough hard work you can actually obtain your own substantial somthing. At the rate things are going the seperation of wealth is only going to increase and even those who come from a little something will never be able to reach "upper class" status due to the fact that the real 'big money' is staying in one place.

My bad, lets get to the real issues:

Who would you rather have a beer with?
Do the Bush daughters thing their parents know who Outkast and Usher are?
Did Kerry really fire 11 shots or was it just 9?

Fucking peons.

heavyLox

09-09-2004, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by 26SidedCube

Did Kerry really fire 11 shots or was it just 9?

if the guy cant empty a clip sheeit what good is he.

if the clip aint empty your punk ass wasnt really trying to hit me.

uncle-boy

09-09-2004, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by effyoo
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holy crap you musta been bored :lol:

High Priest

09-09-2004, 05:52 AM

Go clean my windows.

pixie

09-09-2004, 09:54 AM

?gWe, the Yale Cheerleaders for Truth, call upon Yale University President Richard C. Levin to release the Yale Cheerleading Squad archives so that the American people can learn whether Bush's Varsity letter was justly awarded.?h

Cheerleaders for Truth want to know if Mr Bush really did cheer for Yale. cheerleaders for truth (http://www.cheerleadersfortruth.com)

okay, i'd like to point out two things here:

1. he got a varsity letter in cheerleading??? what the shit (can you say pussy?)

2. they don't even think he earned it!!! not only are people questioning his time in the national guard, but they don't even think he participated on the cheerleading squad at yale... in which he got a varsity letter!??

and people are actually voting for this moron

casekonly

09-09-2004, 11:30 AM

i'm not sure if it matters or not who wins. the same guys that have been puppeting the current president around will be using whomever wins this election.

in any case, i'm voting nader. i don't care if he wins or not, we need all the votes we can get for the green party.

imported_Tesseract

09-09-2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by casekonly
i'm not sure if it matters or not who wins. the same guys that have been puppeting the current president around will be using whomever wins this election.

dont say that...

destroya

09-09-2004, 12:04 PM

yeah, waste a vote on the green party.

casekonly

09-09-2004, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by Tesseract
dont say that...

you know what i'm saying, man. ultimately, in our government, the president doesn't make the decision, congress does. congress right now, and for quite some time has been filled with a bunch of assfaces.

destroya: it's not a wasted vote, the green party deserves to have access to the same funding that the gop and the dems have.

i'm honestly scared of bush and kerry. i don't see any reason to hype anything or try to get people to "see it my way", but i don't have a problem with speaking my mind.

Poop Man Bob

09-09-2004, 01:17 PM

casek - is there anyway I can talk you out of voting for Nader? I voted for Nader in 2000 (I live in TX), but I won't be doing so this year (he's not on the ballot in TX, but regardless - I wouldn't be voting for him).

You mentioned that you're voting for Nader and that "the green party deserves to have access to the same funding. . ." You do realize that Nader is running as an Independent and doesn't have the backing of the Green Party? They're fielding their own candidate, David Cobb. (http://www.votecobb.org/)

I felt the same way in 2000 - get Nader his 5%, get him federal funding, and let's establish a viable alternative to the two-party system. But now is not the year to make a statement by voting for Nader. This election is too damn important, and, as Florida proved in 2000, every vote does count. As this video from RalphDontRun.net shows, the fact is that if Nader had not run in 2000, Bush would not be president. (http://207.234.164.210/movies/CNN_Pearce_lo.mov)

ihatefrunts

09-09-2004, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by MEROJUANA
WOW NIGGA YOU ARE A FOOL. BUSH IS AN IDIOT, THE NIGGA STARTED A WAR FOR NO REASON. AND SENT EVERY NIGGA IN THE U.S TO THE DESERT TO DIE AND GET HIS HEAD CHOPPED OFF ON HOME VIDEO. FUCK BUSH. IF YOU'RE FROM THE BRONX THEN YOU ARE FROM THE HOOD, AND NOBODY IN THE HOOD IS VOTING BUSH...IF THEY'RE VOTING AT ALL, THEY'RE VOTING KERRY. BUSH WASNT SUPPOSED TO BE PRESIDENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE NIGGA ACCIDENTALLY BECAME PRESIDENT...BESIDES, KERRY IS JUST ACTING LIKE A PUSSY NOW BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANNA LOOK LIKE BUSH (IE: A FUCKING LUNATIC WHO WANTS TO KILL EVERYBODY THATS NOT A HETEROSEXUAL WHITE CHRISTIAN) KERRY'S JUST OVERDOING THE PASSIVE SHIT...AND CAMPAIGNING AND MUDSLINGING IS NOT NEARLY ON THE SAME LEVEL AS STOPPING A-RABS FROM BLOWING SHIT UP. COME ON NIGGA READ A BOOK.

MEROE
READY
TO DIE

I guess you have it figured all out, huh? If I were you, I would read more, watch the news, all of the above. First of all, Bush did not go into Iraq for no reason...Saddam has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people; Saddam instilled an vicious anti-American semitism within his country; Saddam had not cooperated with UN sanctions for years; US, British, and Russian intelligence strongly suggested that Saddam had WMD's; Saddam used biological weapons during Desert Storm, Saddam set the world's natural resources (oil fields) on fire in 1992...And you don't think that he would provide terrorists with weapons if he could detach his name from it? Give me a break... You should think about people other than yourself. He liberated well over a million people in a worse predicament than anyone from the hood. That is commendable. Bush comes from a wealthy family, but Kerry is even more wealthy. I seriously doubt he can relate to anyone in the "hood", but he will happily take their votes because no group of people have been more loyal to the Democratic Party than the blacks, but why? Look, I am not saying that Republicans strive to help minorities, but the programs implemented by the Democratic Party over the past 30 years have perpetuated innercity problems more than they have helped. And there have been a number of Republicans that have helped, in particular, blacks, just look at Bob Dole's record. No Senator from either party has done more for the blacks than him, and he doesn't even get their votes. I just think that blacks, innercity residents, whoever. should look at both candidates rather than letting Democrats brainwash them.

THE CORONER

09-09-2004, 02:56 PM

good points but i highly, highly doubt that kerry is richer than bush man, and i have no idea where you go that info from (probably the old republican technique of making up info and having no proof to back it up), bush was a fuckin oil tycoon bro, who did business with saudi royalty and the bin laden family. and as a republican supporter, which im guessing you probably are, who are you to talk about brainwashing and not being able to relate to innercity life?

thats fuckin ludicras (sic) man, i dont understand how anyone who ISNT FUCKIN RICH could ever support bush and the republicans because they are all about big business.

fuckin goddamned american politics always piss me off

ihatefrunts

09-09-2004, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by THE CORONER
good points but i highly, highly doubt that kerry is richer than bush man, and i have no idea where you go that info from (probably the old republican technique of making up info and having no proof to back it up), bush was a fuckin oil tycoon bro, who did business with saudi royalty and the bin laden family. and as a republican supporter, which im guessing you probably are, who are you to talk about brainwashing and not being able to relate to innercity life?

thats fuckin ludicras (sic) man, i dont understand how anyone who ISNT FUCKIN RICH could ever support bush and the republicans because they are all about big business.

fuckin goddamned american politics always piss me off

John Kerry is married to Teresa Heinz, who is the heir to the "Heinz" ketchup family fortune estimated over $1 billion. That is fact, just browse the web if you feel inclined. Saudi oil interest has been an established relationship well before the Bush administration. No one can deny that oil, a resource the US needs, is a factor. I mean, we have to get it from somewhere...And that is why it shouldn't be in the hands of a maniac like Saddam among others who will light it on fire when he feels like throwing a temper tantrum, and by doing so says, "Fuck the world!"

The Bin Ladin Family is HUGE, and Osama is a family outcast (This is why he resides in Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia with his family). To say that Bush has a convoluted relationship with Bin Ladin is absurd, and there is no evidence to back that up other than a fictional documentary created to get Bush out of office. The 9/11 Commission discredited all of those allegations several weeks ago when it released its final report.

I am not saying that Republicans don't attempt to do some brainwashing themselves, they absolutely do! I was just saying that people need to recognize it on both sides so they can make an informed decision. Tax breaks for the wealthy are not substantial, but provide room for them to make "moves" and take risks, and when they are successful in these attempts, thousands upon thousands of jobs are created because their presence is felt. As of right now, depending on what state you live in, someone making $200,000 a year will be taxed 48% of that. These tax cuts make it so they are taxed like 38-39%. I don't think persecuting those who have worked hard for their money is a solution, that's all. I am not rich, but if I were, I would rather give my money to causes that I see as worthy rather than having the government give it to social programs that do not work, have not worked, and which I am against.

ihatefrunts

09-09-2004, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by suburbian bum
This is the reason that bush is popular. Pussies are so fucking scared of an attack by terrorists which is a fear that you shouldnt even have. More people die riding donkeys bitch.

All these pussies need big strong men like Bush and Schwarzennager (sp?) to cover their asses while they drive their manly diesel Chevy trucks. Grow some balls and stop being such a tough "Lets kick everyones ass because we are insecure" guy.

3,000 innocent people died in 9/11...3,000.

Edika

09-09-2004, 04:19 PM

US elections look like a verbal fight of two stupid big guys with muscles, comparing their dicks, and fighting for who has the biggest.

POIESIS

09-09-2004, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
Saudi oil interest has been an established relationship well before the Bush administration. No one can deny that oil, a resource the US needs, is a factor. I mean, we have to get it from somewhere...And that is why it shouldn't be in the hands of a maniac like Saddam among others who will light it on fire when he feels like throwing a temper tantrum, and by doing so says, "Fuck the world!"

hmmm, yea, that's a tricky stance you've got there..
so you agree with the war? you agree with the admin's manipulations to
engage this war and all it's costs? you agree then, that iraq and saddam were
a source of terrorism against the US? do you find it ironic that all of the alleged hijackers are saudi nationals, but no steps to attack the saudi's and secure their oil fields has been put forth? here's the zinger: the real threat to american national security in the middle east is saudi arabia(you could make a pretty good argument against israel too).
the saudi monarchy is fucked beyond belief and we
are about >this< close to some devastating consequences if anything happens to their power and their oilfields. there is documented, stone cold fact that bush and his posse are nicely tied to the saudi royal family, not some made up fantasy of the left. it's true previous administrations have been courted by the saudi's and that they are an essential part of american primacy, but the extent of the relationship has never been quite as deep as bush 1 or 2.

The Bin Ladin Family is HUGE, and Osama is a family outcast (This is why he resides in Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia with his family). To say that Bush has a convoluted relationship with Bin Ladin is absurd, and there is no evidence to back that up other than a fictional documentary created to get Bush out of office. The 9/11 Commission discredited all of those allegations several weeks ago when it released its final report.

osama being an "outcast" is as flimsy a fact as any. he has been supported by not only certain members of his own family, but also members of the saudi royal family and peripheral power players in the monarchy.
as for the bush/binladen connection, you are either selectively looking into these ties, or you're talking out your ass, becuz the record is well established and corroborated.
furthermore, 'if i were you' i would actually READ the 9/11 report before you start appropriating its conclusions into your arguments. it's almost a joke.

i agree there is two sides to every coin, and the dems are hardly clean, however,
completely ignoring bush's record(which you seem to be in favour of..both his policies and ignoring how bad they are)and his parties conduct over the last 3 years(fuck, the last 3 weeks) is just begging for trouble.

THE CORONER

09-09-2004, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
3,000 innocent people died in 9/11...3,000.

yeah and a million people (half of them fuckin children bro) died in Iraq because of US imposed sanctions

i know 9/11 was bad but seriously the us has done shit to innocent people and thats been a lot worse
but doesnt it make you mad when people come over to your country to attack you?

sorry but i fuckin hate anyone thats a republican, like a far-right republican, qafaru

POIESIS

09-09-2004, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
3,000 innocent people died in 9/11...3,000.

and we still don't solidly know what happened. not only did we get shafted
with a bullshit commission(with commissioners that have total conflicts
of interest and slimeball backgrounds), but the administration
repeatedly undermined it. remember when bush said that a
commission would have to be timely so as not to take away resources
from the 'war on terror'? can you fucking believe that shit?
there should've been no timeframe, and no cap on funding.
yet here we are, with a report full of more questions
and dumbfounding omissions. please dude.

iloveboxcars

09-09-2004, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
3,000 innocent people died in 9/11...3,000.

a lot more innocent people have died in Iraq...a lot more.

THE CORONER

09-09-2004, 06:31 PM

not only that, 9/11 was a crime scene there is no doubt about that

but when you are at a crime scene, you look through all the evidence, no mattter how long it takes, etc. and come to a FOUNDED BASED JUDGEMENT on to who perpertrated the crime. but nope, 3 hours after it happened, 3 news agencies were showing pictures of Osama Bin Laden Osama Bin Laden, etc.

he never even admitted to it once, and that i found funny since if you were to pull something like that off, and masterminded it, youd take credit for it. i mean hes already on the run, the states already hated him (altho not as much) so what did he have to lose by admitting it? but he never did.

im just sick of people like you ihatefronts that use these fuckin people LIVES in order to fuckin condone (sic) your war on terrror, or your war on islam, or your word on verbs.

fuck you for desicrating those peoples memories to further your fuckin argument

MEROJUANA

09-09-2004, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
I guess you have it figured all out, huh? If I were you, I would read more, watch the news, all of the above. First of all, Bush did not go into Iraq for no reason...Saddam has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people; Saddam instilled an vicious anti-American semitism within his country; Saddam had not cooperated with UN sanctions for years; US, British, and Russian intelligence strongly suggested that Saddam had WMD's; Saddam used biological weapons during Desert Storm, Saddam set the world's natural resources (oil fields) on fire in 1992...And you don't think that he would provide terrorists with weapons if he could detach his name from it? Give me a break... You should think about people other than yourself. He liberated well over a million people in a worse predicament than anyone from the hood. That is commendable. Bush comes from a wealthy family, but Kerry is even more wealthy. I seriously doubt he can relate to anyone in the "hood", but he will happily take their votes because no group of people have been more loyal to the Democratic Party than the blacks, but why? Look, I am not saying that Republicans strive to help minorities, but the programs implemented by the Democratic Party over the past 30 years have perpetuated innercity problems more than they have helped. And there have been a number of Republicans that have helped, in particular, blacks, just look at Bob Dole's record. No Senator from either party has done more for the blacks than him, and he doesn't even get their votes. I just think that blacks, innercity residents, whoever. should look at both candidates rather than letting Democrats brainwash them.

THIS WHOLE WAR IS BASED ON FINANCIAL SHIT. THERE IS NO "WAR ON TERROR" BUSH IS A FRONTIN ASS NIGGA. AND WHAT PROBLEMS HAS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HELPED PERPETUATE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS? ARE YOU MAKING SHIT UP AND THEN USING WORDS LIKE "PERPETUATE" TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE YOU GOT YOUR INFO FROM THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS? NIGGA LEMME TELL YOU THIS, NEVER ONCE WAS I SCARED ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE, AND NOW THAT BUSH IS PLAYING PRESIDENT I ACTUALLY WORRY...AM I GONNA GET BLOWN UP TOMMOROW AT WORK? IS MY MOMS PLANE GONNA CRASH AND BURN? CAN I DRINK MY FUCKIN WATER? CAN I RIDE THE 6 WITHOUT THE SHIT EXPLODING AND KILLING ME? EVERY COUNTRY HAS ITS DOWNFALL AT SOME POINT, AND WITH BUSH CONTINUOUSLY PISSING EVERYONE OFF (EVEN NIGGAS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL WITH US) HE'S SPEEDING UP THE PROCESS...IM SORRY I DONT SOUND LIKE CHRIS MATTHEWS NIGGA BUT IM TELLING YOU HOW I SEE IT. IM VOTING KERRY CUZ KERRY IS NOT BUSH, NOT CUZ KERRY IS KERRY. ITS LIKE CHOOSING TO HAVE A PAPERCUT OR AMPUTATE YOUR LEG.

DR. MEROE PhD
I SHOULD RUN..

GeraloRivera

09-09-2004, 07:45 PM

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RE ELECT GOVNAH BUSH!!!

you crazy kids. our economy-shitty. our president- actually a governor ( the consistution is outdated anyway, and you cant expect the majority to choose for themselves right?)
how anyone can support bush other then companies who get profit from him, who just happen to work with him in the oil house, baffles me.

POIESIS

09-09-2004, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by MEROJUANA
ITS LIKE CHOOSING TO HAVE A PAPERCUT OR AMPUTATE YOUR LEG.

good analogy!

Scrabble

09-09-2004, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by effyoo
BUSH WOULD BE LIKE FIRE MISSLES AND TAKE THOSE BITCHES OUT[/b]

Welcome to Georgia. This is all how they sound.
If you ever wondered where all of the Bush supporters are, come on down South.
Even the dirt poor trailer park rednecks blindly support him, just because he's not some 'derty yankee bastard' as they say.

Nekro

09-09-2004, 08:39 PM

To recap:

* There were no WMDs

* There was no nuclear program

* There was no connection to Al-Qaida or any other group of anti-American terrorists.

* We were not welcomed as liberators; We were ?gwelcomed?h as infidel occupiers.

* The occupation did not pay for itself; it is costing us hundreds of billions of dollars.

* Saddam Hussein is more popular in Iraqi opinion polls than Ahmad Chalabi, who may be an Iranian spy, (and so, too, may be some of the Neocons themselves, but that?fs another story).

* America is more hated and reviled in the Arab world than any time in its history.

Next up: Iran- this time we know we'll find WMD!

ihatefrunts

09-09-2004, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by THE CORONER
yeah and a million people (half of them fuckin children bro) died in Iraq because of US imposed sanctions

i know 9/11 was bad but seriously the us has done shit to innocent people and thats been a lot worse
but doesnt it make you mad when people come over to your country to attack you?

sorry but i fuckin hate anyone thats a republican, like a far-right republican, qafaru

Extreme anything is never good. I am a moderate, but when forced to pick after having weighed everything out, I usually lean more to the right. However, I am always ready to be pursuaded be either side. We are not "attacking" Iraq though as you called it. We are attacking the radical baathists, Saddam and his family, and terrorists. Our intention as a country in going to Iraq is not to go over there and kill innocent civilians. That is of course a casuality of democratizing any nation, especially one that has been in disarray from years of persecution, but in reality (whether you agree with entering Iraq or not) we are liberating oppressed peoples from an evil regime. That is not wrong, and some might say it is good!

tom araya

09-09-2004, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by THE CORONER
yeah and a million people (half of them fuckin children bro) died in Iraq because of US imposed sanctions

i know 9/11 was bad but seriously the us has done shit to innocent people and thats been a lot worse
but doesnt it make you mad when people come over to your country to attack you?

sorry but i fuckin hate anyone thats a republican, like a far-right republican, qafaru

you are a fuckin moron, most of the children who died were from saddam himself gassing tens of thousands in the kurdish north.

do not make excuses for 9-11 The same islamic terrorists that we are fighting are the same people who killed 300 "innocent" women and children at a school in russia last week, forcing children to drink there own urine, stripping them naked and other holocaust type tactics? do you approve of that? is it bush's fault? world war 3 is fully under way and you must face the reality that islamic fascism today is no different than what happend in nazi germany.

islamic radicalism has been around since the early seventies, years before the u.s went into any islamic country.

ihatefrunts

09-09-2004, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by POIESIS
hmmm, yea, that's a tricky stance you've got there..
so you agree with the war? you agree with the admin's manipulations to
engage this war and all it's costs? you agree then, that iraq and saddam were
a source of terrorism against the US? do you find it ironic that all of the alleged hijackers are saudi nationals, but no steps to attack the saudi's and secure their oil fields has been put forth? here's the zinger: the real threat to american national security in the middle east is saudi arabia(you could make a pretty good argument against israel too).
the saudi monarchy is fucked beyond belief and we
are about >this< close to some devastating consequences if anything happens to their power and their oilfields. there is documented, stone cold fact that bush and his posse are nicely tied to the saudi royal family, not some made up fantasy of the left. it's true previous administrations have been courted by the saudi's and that they are an essential part of american primacy, but the extent of the relationship has never been quite as deep as bush 1 or 2.

osama being an "outcast" is as flimsy a fact as any. he has been supported by not only certain members of his own family, but also members of the saudi royal family and peripheral power players in the monarchy.
as for the bush/binladen connection, you are either selectively looking into these ties, or you're talking out your ass, becuz the record is well established and corroborated.
furthermore, 'if i were you' i would actually READ the 9/11 report before you start appropriating its conclusions into your arguments. it's almost a joke.

i agree there is two sides to every coin, and the dems are hardly clean, however,
completely ignoring bush's record(which you seem to be in favour of..both his policies and ignoring how bad they are)and his parties conduct over the last 3 years(fuck, the last 3 weeks) is just begging for trouble.

Look, show me an exerpt in the 9/11 report that discusses a convoluted relationship between Bush and Osama Bin Ladin, and then you can criticize my reference to the book (Your right, I have not read it, but I have read its summary). Just like most people in here, I am not a politician, so I couldn't care less about party agendas. What I want is facts, and Fahrenheight 9/11 was as bad as a program televised on Al Jezeera.

By the way, Israel does not produce terrorists. Israel loves the US - we ensure their survival over there. Look up the Bin Ladin Family and their present affiliation with Osama, and you'll see that he is not embraced by them.

The rest of your arguments are valid and good ones, so I have no problem with them-although I disagree with most. I was not saying that I necessarily agree with the war either, but I can see Bush's perspective as rational, where most people who oppose him won't give him that. If Bush walked on water, you would say he can't swim.

2 blaazed

09-09-2004, 10:24 PM

i dont like bush or kerry...but im just voting for lesser of 2 evils...so kerry will b gettin my vote

ihatefrunts

09-09-2004, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by tom araya
you are a fuckin moron, most of the children who died were from saddam himself gassing tens of thousands in the kurdish north.

do not make excuses for 9-11 The same islamic terrorists that we are fighting are the same people who killed 300 "innocent" women and children at a school in russia last week, forcing children to drink there own urine, stripping them naked and other holocaust type tactics? do you approve of that? is it bush's fault? world war 3 is fully under way and you must face the reality that islamic fascism today is no different than what happend in nazi germany.

islamic radicalism has been around since the early seventies, years before the u.s went into any islamic country.

Fo sho...wise!

ihatefrunts

09-09-2004, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by MEROJUANA
THIS WHOLE WAR IS BASED ON FINANCIAL SHIT. THERE IS NO "WAR ON TERROR" BUSH IS A FRONTIN ASS NIGGA. AND WHAT PROBLEMS HAS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HELPED PERPETUATE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS? ARE YOU MAKING SHIT UP AND THEN USING WORDS LIKE "PERPETUATE" TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE YOU GOT YOUR INFO FROM THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS? NIGGA LEMME TELL YOU THIS, NEVER ONCE WAS I SCARED ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE, AND NOW THAT BUSH IS PLAYING PRESIDENT I ACTUALLY WORRY...AM I GONNA GET BLOWN UP TOMMOROW AT WORK? IS MY MOMS PLANE GONNA CRASH AND BURN? CAN I DRINK MY FUCKIN WATER? CAN I RIDE THE 6 WITHOUT THE SHIT EXPLODING AND KILLING ME? EVERY COUNTRY HAS ITS DOWNFALL AT SOME POINT, AND WITH BUSH CONTINUOUSLY PISSING EVERYONE OFF (EVEN NIGGAS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COOL WITH US) HE'S SPEEDING UP THE PROCESS...IM SORRY I DONT SOUND LIKE CHRIS MATTHEWS NIGGA BUT IM TELLING YOU HOW I SEE IT. IM VOTING KERRY CUZ KERRY IS NOT BUSH, NOT CUZ KERRY IS KERRY. ITS LIKE CHOOSING TO HAVE A PAPERCUT OR AMPUTATE YOUR LEG.

DR. MEROE PhD
I SHOULD RUN..

I'm going to keep it real and talk the way I talk. You claim that there isn't a war on terror, yet you said that you are scared of terrorism. That doesn't even make sense. 9/11 happened a few months after Bush got into office, so where was Clinton the 8 years before since 9/11 had been plotted since 96'? He himself admitted he paid them too little mind in retrospect, as did the 9/11 commission.

THE CORONER

09-09-2004, 10:48 PM

ok the states went into iraq, but why?

here let me ask you a question in your infinite intelligence:

this country has

a.weapons of mass destruction
b.inflamatory statements against the destruction of the us
c.harbors terrorists
d.genocide against theyre own people

name what fuckin country i just described
sure it CAN be iraq, but you cannot name for me which country i was stating

and there are a lot worse out there, like saudi arabia, etc. etc. but you dont see the republicans going into that country do u? so dont tell me its not about money because war is always about money no matter what excuses they give.

actual there can be no such thing as islamic fascism. because fascism is a political idealogy and islam is not a political idealogy
grouping all muslims together (remember its the second largest religion is the world) as fundamenalists is the worst anaolgy you can say ever. im a muslim im not gonna bomb your house.. or kill your family.
as for the russia thing, yes it was bad, fucking brutally bad, but you dont think the russian army has ever executed innocent people? fuck you. learn what you say before you speak (this goes out to tom araya) fool. the nazis started the bloodiest war IN HUMAN HISTORY. believe it or not, the states have killed more innocent people in its history than these radicals have. you dont think so? look it up bro.
the taking of innocent lives is never right, but it is done by both the russians, the chechens, the americans, the british, everyone bro.

i love how if you kill 13 innocent people by a long range missile fired from a american (or british or russian) missle silo its not considered terrorism, its not considred militant, its not considered fanatical, but if the other side does it, its ok.

but fuckin enoughs enough you cant change my mind about american and british and russian imperialism in theyre war on terror, and i cant change yours so lets agree to disagree.

THE CORONER

09-09-2004, 11:09 PM

haha you won that battle for sure buddy, youre way smarter than me and you are able to articulate it way better, especially with the smilies bro.
way to add that professional touch.

THE CORONER

09-09-2004, 11:09 PM

and you didnt even answer my question anyways

Gunm

09-09-2004, 11:11 PM

I love how threads sprial right the fuck outta control around this time.

THE CORONER

09-09-2004, 11:13 PM

haha im just in a bad mood from work and people acting like they know everything and know both sides

Gunm

09-09-2004, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by THE CORONER
people acting like they know everything

Ha ha, just ask Buttmunch about that....naw mean? :lol:

nomadawhat

09-09-2004, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by tom araya

do not make excuses for 9-11 The same islamic terrorists that we are fighting are the same people who killed 300 "innocent" women and children at a school in russia last week

why? because they are muslims? the chechen rebels are fighting for quite a differnet cause than the extremist in the middle east. there may be some small connections between the groups. but they are definatley not the same. the chechens are fighting for and independent checnya (sp/). other islamic extremist are fight agaisnt the western infidels.

mugshot

09-09-2004, 11:21 PM

people should make an issue of kerry being a war criminal, he admitted to killing women and children, burning villages, hacking off body parts and other crazy shit. fuck that dickhead. ill vote for nader.

Gunm

09-09-2004, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by crotch rot
ill vote for nader. good job buddy. The only good voting for Nader will do is tilt the election in Bushs' favor like it did in the last election.
:idea:

nomadawhat

09-09-2004, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by crotch rot
people should make an issue of kerry being a war criminal, he admitted to killing women and children, burning villages, hacking off body parts and other crazy shit. fuck that dickhead. ill vote for nader.

what the fuck do you think bush is presiding over right now as commander in chief??? women and childern dying, villages being blown the fuck up, people losing body parts, oh, and other crazy shit!!!!

mugshot

09-09-2004, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by nomadawhat
why? because they are muslims? the chechen rebels are fighting for quite a differnet cause than the extremist in the middle east. there may be some small connections between the groups. but they are definatley not the same. the chechens are fighting for and independent checnya (sp/). other islamic extremist are fight agaisnt the western infidels.

for the record many chechens have known to have more then just small connections many have been known to be in al-queda training camps in afganistan and pakistan . also some of the terrorists found dead at the school fighting for chechnya were foreign fighters from arab countries so i dont think he is too far off.

nomadawhat

09-09-2004, 11:27 PM

fuck the vietnam war era... that was 30 years ago, can anybody focus on today, the present... FUCK!!!

mugshot

09-09-2004, 11:32 PM

^someone should tell kerry that, if i wont vote for bush for being a supoosed war criminal why should i vote for kerry who is the same fucking thing.

nomadawhat

09-09-2004, 11:33 PM

THE CORONER

09-09-2004, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by crotch rot
for the record many chechens have known to have more then just small connections many have been known to be in al-queda training camps in afganistan and pakistan . also some of the terrorists found dead at the school fighting for chechnya were foreign fighters from arab countries so i dont think he is too far off.

the people who took over that school, since most of them were actually arabs, probably were not fighting for chechen independence. they were there to kill infidels.pure and simple. chechen freedom fighters are a lot different, they are like the partisans in france during WWII, fighting against an amazingly strong force with a small army of people.
but yet they are not called partisans, like the nazis, they are deemed terrorists and killers...even though theyre hitting military targets.the freedom fighters i mean.

and they always videotape theyre attacks, so that shit can be shown like how it really is.my buddy has some of em off the net, and no theyre not hitting civilians (fellow chechens), theyre hitting russian military forces.

heavyLox

09-10-2004, 12:04 AM

if you want a pres that discounts things like, science and the environment then Bush is your guy.

Im all for being able to make tuff decisions, I am for being able to make the unpopular decision, I can respect trying to do the right thing. I can not accept a president who has the audacity and naivety to believe that 'good' intentions alone justify the means employed to achieve a better, safer country. SO far, to date Bush has admitted zero flaws in his plan. I have even heard him quip that any mistakes to his plan wont be revealed until well after his death. This is unacceptable. If you plan on living beyond the next twenty years; have loved ones produce loved ones, you simply can not answer your critics accusations by repeating the Bush mantra of consistency, and staying the course. I need a leader who can adjust the approach to fit the changes in the situation. I can live with mistakes, I cant forgive one unable to be forth right about them and reevaluate the plan. One of the biggest mistakes in Vietnam, once involved, was an unwillingness to change the military approach to battle tactics. This is the common mistake of a cocky culture; Might will prevail. This is simply not true. I need a leader that wants the best for me weather I hold his god up or not. Science is not anti god, or anti the sanctity of life; but the study there of. Im bothered by the idea of "ownership", the new catch phrase for the right. Healthcare 'ownership', which loosely translates into if you cant afford it you wont get it. I am realistic; will radical changes happen the day Kerry is elected, probably not. But it will prevent several things. Bush will be unable to appoint new justices to continue his attack on science and a woman's right to choose. IT will allow the US a pause on the rapid erosion of civil liberties, to revaluate the plan of restructuring the security apparatus that failed us on and before 9/11; which Bush seems determined to move slowly on.

In many ways the media has dropped the ball. They allow politicians to duck questions and accept convoluted double talk. Why are we allowing Christian fundamentalism to be "right",while Islamic fundamentalism is wrong. This is a fundamentl poblem. They both do there damage. Extreme anything is dangerous. Why are we still using the electoral college. Who sent anthrax through the mail? How exactly has bushes leadership made my family safer? Where are the out of pocket suitcase nukes? IS are business with the saudis really worth sweeping there connection to 9/11. Why did we wait two months to start looking for Osama. Why did bush have more security personal in NY for the RNC then he has looking for Osama? whay is the sky blue?why is water wet? why did jesus sleep whiel judas crept?
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Fuck please do not sell out Kerry to make Nader a failed player for the umpteenth time.

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The Chechen rebels are a separatist Islamic movement. So in that sense they are very much like other Islamic fundamentalists. They are just focused locally, while other groups are focused globally.

MEROJUANA

09-10-2004, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
I'm going to keep it real and talk the way I talk. You claim that there isn't a war on terror, yet you said that you are scared of terrorism. That doesn't even make sense. 9/11 happened a few months after Bush got into office, so where was Clinton the 8 years before since 9/11 had been plotted since 96'? He himself admitted he paid them too little mind in retrospect, as did the 9/11 commission.

SCARED OF TERRORISM? NO. WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE BUSH IS STICKING HIS NOSE WHERE IT DONT BELONG?, YES. AND WHAT I MEAN BY "THERE IS NO WAR ON TERROR" IS THAT BUSH MIGHT AS WELL INVADE ICELAND AND LOOK FOR WMD'S...IF ALL THESE NIGGAS THAT ARE BLOWING SHIT UP ARE COMING OUT OF SAUDI ARABIA WHAT THE FUCK IS HE DOING EVERYWHERE BUT SAUDI ARABIA? THATS LIKE ME GOING TO TEXAS TO TAKE OUT COPE FILLINS...THAT SHIT DOESNT MAKE SENSE, GO WHERE THE PROBLEM IS COMING FROM IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOLDIERS LIVES AT RISK ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING THE NIGGA DIDNT ACCOMPLISH SHIT BY BAGGING HUSSEIN, AND NOBODY LIKES US DOWN THERE ANYWAY...THE NIGGA IS JUST USING THIS SHIT AS A FRONT TO PICK UP WHERE DADDY LEFT OFF AND CONTROL THE OIL THAT MADE HIS FAMILY RICH, REALIZE THAT. FUCK BUSH.

MEROE.

Nekro

09-10-2004, 01:48 AM

The conflict in chechnya is completely different from the global terrorist problem. Chechnya is a part of russia that wants to be independent. Al quaeda is a group that wants to impose medival islamic law over the entire planet.

Terrorism is a tactic. It's considered a dirty, dishonorable tactic, but the US won the Revolutionary war by fighting dirty and dishonorably (note: obviously the struggle for democratic self rule is not the same as the desire to impose islamic law on the planet, so don't jump in my shit).

And now to this ihatefruits character (if you're talking about gay people, we've got a problem):

First off, both candidates are rich white guys. However, JFK makes less money than GWB (about $450K/year versus about $700-750K/year).

Saddam Hussein lit the oil fields on fire so we wouldn't invade the country and take all of it.

Yeah, OK, british and russian intelligence suggested that he had WMD, just like how our awesome intelligence "suggested" he had WMD. The reality is that the cherry-picked, salacious tidbits were taken out of context and used to suggest the existance of Iraqi WMD. What are we doing relying on other people's intelligence anyway?

15 of the 19 september 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia. The saudi government has financed terrorism through its charities.

Iraq had no ties to terrorism. We have not found any WMD there.

Note: this reply box has been open for about 4 hours.

heavyLox

09-10-2004, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by Nekro
The conflict in chechnya is completely different from the global terrorist problem. Chechnya is a part of russia that wants to be independent. Al quaeda is a group that wants to impose medival islamic law over the entire planet.

Im not sure they want the world to one big islamic state, it seems more an effort to re-gain or obtain Islamic states,in general. Chechens want to be an independant Islamic state. Osama has reportedly renounced the royal family in Saudi Arabia. It seems the real desire is to have islamic states that are not influenced by the west; or pressured into conforming with western idealogies.

ClueTwo

09-10-2004, 06:50 AM

What? No Terror Alert to Herald the Osama Surprise?
by Harvey Wasserman

Surprise! Surprise!! There have been no official terror alerts to interfere with the much-hyped Bush Bounce following last week's Republican National Convention.

And after waiting through the Labor Day weekend, with trial balloons floating about the long-awaited Osama Surprise, it's easy to see why.

Homeland Security Chief Tom Ridge has issued two terror alerts during the presidential campaign. One immediately followed John Kerry's choice of John Edwards as his running mate. The other immediately followed the Democratic National Convention.

The timing could not have been more obvious. Edwards' nomination generated a huge buzz for the Democrats. But the major media instantly turned to the intricacies of Ridge's bizarre, apocalyptic scare scam.

Then came a successful DNC. Again Ridge instantly screamed out breathless tales of a terrorist wolf, while the media slobbered at the door.

Ridge had only stale snippets, with no solid evidence for an imminent attack. There was no attack, and no arrests.

But both times, he negated crucial Democratic momentum. Fox and its cohorts made the lack of a Kerry bounce the one-note theme of their post-convention coverage--while never mentioning the Ridge rants. Mission Accomplished.

In fact, the weeks of the Edwards nomination and DNC were calm by global standards.

But actual terrorism defined the week of the Republican National Convention. Two Russian passenger liners crashed with only one obvious explanation. Then terrorists staged a horrific Russian hostage crisis, leaving at least 300 dead.

Meanwhile, a half-million protestors swarmed into New York. Yet the only terror alert came from the Mayor's office on behalf of the grass in Central Park. Ridge's stark silence was a backhanded confirmation that the American peace movement can be counted on to remain non-violent, even in the face of its most vicious opponent.

It also underscored the double-standard that has made this administration so deeply loathed. With no credible evidence, but for obvious political gain, the Department of Homeland Security twice played cynical games with public terror alerts at the expense of the Democrats.

But with passenger planes being blown out of the sky, hundreds of Russian children held hostage and hordes of protestors descending on New York, nothing could be allowed to disrupt media coverage of the Republicans' Hate Show.

Ridge gave the GOP had an alert-free Labor Day weekend to crow about the post-convention bounce that might have been Kerry's. Team Rove also floated its first notice of an election-timed "capture" of Osama bin Laden. As millions have predicted, after three years the Administration may have miraculously "tracked him down" just in time for the November vote.

So will the next Homeland hyperventilation come when there's an actual threat to the public safety? Or will it happen to coincide with, say, a presidential debate? A Kerry/Edwards bounce? Or a Bush faux pas?

We are all pink with curiosity.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0907-02.htm

Drunk Sober

09-10-2004, 07:33 AM

way more money was spent on clinton's dick sucking scandal than on the 9/11 investigation

there has never been a case in American history where a building collapsed from fire the way the twin towers did

serum

09-10-2004, 10:05 AM

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A member of the audience pulls a demonstrator's hair as he forces her out of an auditorium where President Bush (news - web sites) was addressing a crowd of supporters at Byers Choice in Colmar, Pa. Thursday Sept. 9, 2004. (AP Photo/Jacqueline Larma)

mugshot

09-10-2004, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by THE CORONER
the people who took over that school, since most of them were actually arabs, probably were not fighting for chechen independence. they were there to kill infidels.pure and simple.

theyre hitting military targets.

and they always videotape theyre attacks, so that shit can be shown like how it really is.my buddy has some of em off the net, and no theyre not hitting civilians (fellow chechens), theyre hitting russian military forces.

SO IF YOUR NOT AN ARAB YOUR AN INFIDEL HUH?? YOUR IGNORANCE AND HATRED IS CAUSED PROBABLY DUE TO LOW SELF ESTEME. BTW THE LAST TIME I CHECKED AN ELEMEMTARY SCHOOL WITH THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN ISNT A MILITARY TARGET OR HAD ANY MILITARY FORCES IN IT, STUPID.

POIESIS

09-10-2004, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
Look, show me an exerpt in the 9/11 report that discusses a convoluted relationship between Bush and Osama Bin Ladin, and then you can criticize my reference to the book (Your right, I have not read it, but I have read its summary).

any reference in the report is not a prerequisite for legitimacy, and as i said earlier, you should actually read the report, becuz i believe you'll agree details are important, details you won't get reading about it, or it's summary. and as i said before, you can't base your opinions from a report you have not read.
becuz a relationship existed at some point does not by default mean that the bush family was conniving behind the scenes for a 9/11 attack. it just means that there's some explaining to do, and lends a sociological context to this president and the relationship US politicians and businessmen have to saudi's.

By the way, Israel does not produce terrorists. Israel loves the US - we ensure their survival over there. Look up the Bin Ladin Family and their present affiliation with Osama, and you'll see that he is not embraced by them.

no, israel engages state terrorist operations. i'm not going to get into this particular
topic due to time, but the recent bruhaha at the pentagon which seems to have extended well beyond it's five rings, coupled with america's undying and disturbing support of israel and various other things that have come to light in the last few years could make an interesting argument for what i said.
secondly, so if the bin laden family says they aren't down with osama, then okay, that's it? you know, maybe you're right, maybe the direct and peripheral information i've combed through on this is disinformation. entirely possible, but..i'm fairly sure there is a solid and corroborated link between members of his family, certain saudi royals, and power players in the monarchy that have funded bin laden, at least up to 9/11, perhaps beyond. if i can remember where the sources of this information are, i will post it.

I can see Bush's perspective as rational, where most people who oppose him won't give him that. If Bush walked on water, you would say he can't swim.

how is his perspective rational in any way? please explain.
his administrations persuasiveness rests on completely discredited claims, fear and garbage. everthing from here on out should be doubted and he and his executives should be held accountable.
most intelligent people do not give him this becuz his record clearly speaks volumes against his own rhetoric, which highlights what and idiot and a terrible president he is. interesting second sentence.

ihatefrunts

09-10-2004, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by POIESIS
any reference in the report is not a prerequisite for legitimacy, and as i said earlier, you should actually read the report, becuz i believe you'll agree details are important, details you won't get reading about it, or it's summary. and as i said before, you can't base your opinions from a report you have not read.
becuz a relationship existed at some point does not by default mean that the bush family was conniving behind the scenes for a 9/11 attack. it just means that there's some explaining to do, and lends a sociological context to this president and the relationship US politicians and businessmen have to saudi's.

no, israel engages state terrorist operations. i'm not going to get into this particular
topic due to time, but the recent bruhaha at the pentagon which seems to have extended well beyond it's five rings, coupled with america's undying and disturbing support of israel and various other things that have come to light in the last few years could make an interesting argument for what i said.
secondly, so if the bin laden family says they aren't down with osama, then okay, that's it? you know, maybe you're right, maybe the direct and peripheral information i've combed through on this is disinformation. entirely possible, but..i'm fairly sure there is a solid and corroborated link between members of his family, certain saudi royals, and power players in the monarchy that have funded bin laden, at least up to 9/11, perhaps beyond. if i can remember where the sources of this information are, i will post it.

how is his perspective rational in any way? please explain.
his administrations persuasiveness rests on completely discredited claims, fear and garbage. everthing from here on out should be doubted and he and his executives should be held accountable.
most intelligent people do not give him this becuz his record clearly speaks volumes against his own rhetoric, which highlights what and idiot and a terrible president he is. interesting second sentence.

Bush's perspective for going into Iraq was entirely rational. Not agreeing with someone does not mean that their counter argument is not rational. For one, the most effective tool in combatting terrorism is to bring the war on the offensive, which is exactly what he has done. At the time, everyone, and I mean everyone, thought he had WMD's. What is conveniently left out in typical liberal jargon is the fact that Saddam has used WMD"s on his own people and US forces during Desert Storm, plans of his to purchase WMD's have since been unveiled, occupying forces have found the means and capability to make WMD"s, etc., etc. - His intentions are what is most important! In addition, why Iraq and not Saudi Arabia? Fair question...one answer obviously rests in the oil interests and established business relationships as you mentioned, but also in the remedial location of Iraq. With Iraq as our ally, we will be able to see certain "going ons" in the Arab world that we have been unable to see until this point. Saddam is not only despised by his own people and the Western world, but also by the neighboring Middle Eastern nations, including Saudi Arabia. Lastly, but certainly not least, by our doing this, we are liberating over a million oppressed people living under Saddam's vicious regime. Collaboratively, these are quite a few reasons suggesting that this was a good decision. At this point, a lesson John Kerry apparently had not learned from his serving in Vietnam, is the fact that the only way we can lose this war is by losing political support at home. After World War II, it took the US 7 years to democratize Japan when it anticipated taking only two. In my opinion, this situation is similar to the Japan Occupation as then, too, we received little help from the rest of the world (Russia, China, Germany, Italy then preoccupied with communism and fascism), and there existed a similar degree of resistence to the Occupation. Since, however, Japan has evolved to have a flourishing economy and a functioning democracy. Suppose we did not go into Iraq, what could we have done but wait...and wait for what, another attack? War is nothing pleasurable so the concept is difficult to sell, but war is an inevitable, necessary occurance. Patience is key. I guess I get most upset with political ambitions that attempt to tear down the commander-in-chief of our military during a time of war, as opposed to simply not voting for him but supporting his decisions in the meantime. That is pussy shit! Where is the patriotism? Putting partisan loyalties aside for one moment, do you really think that Bush is an evil individual who does not have the best intentions in helping the US and the world? Bringing America into a war that would not be beneficial in any aspect would be political suicide. Just like all politicians, his number one incentive is to get reelected, although he has remained visibly unshaken by staggers in public opinion polls. And as far as the 9/11 report, my having read a summary instead of the book was sufficient for the statement I made, which was as general as it gets. An example that illustrates my point is the Fahrenheight 9/11 film. I had read several articles about the film from both perspectives, but in discussions with opposition was said to not know what I was talking about because I had not seen it...so, I went and saw the film and to my discovery I learned nothing I didn't already know. And about intelligent people disliking Bush, and untelligent people liking him is really silly. Reagan used to be a Democrat, but during his campaign to the White House said that he was wrong about a lot of things in his youth.

villain

09-10-2004, 02:29 PM

GOD IS PUNISHING FLORIDA FOR ELECTION SCANDAL!
I'm about to stock up on automatic weapons.
And it is obvious to me that there are still some people on the board who have not read any of the political threads on here. Maybe it should be a requirement to lurk before ever posting. I, myself lurked for about a year before ever posting. Anyways enough of that ballyhoo.

It would seem that americans are suffering from a sort of Jonestown collective amnesia. Perhaps a media induced ADHD if you will.

For the sake of clarification and furthering the conversation, I would like to inform people about Bush's follow up justification of the Iraq War.
Bush says: He was a bad man, he killed thousands of people.
History says: He was encouraged to do that and supported and supplied by the U.S. in the Iran Contra affair. The mass graves were part of a U.S. proxy war made possible by the likes of Ollie North who somehow got let off on the charges and now is a republican talking head.
Bush says: He invaded Kuwait, he set the oil fields on fire.
History says: Kuwait was in favor of the U.S. and taking iraqi oil business. Factor #1 Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi soil. Factor #2 Saddam claimed that Kuwait was actually a part of Iraq. They were only divided into separate states when Britain colonized the region. Therefore, are we supporting colonization? Factor #3
There are, of course, other factors.
Bush says: They are making weapons of mass destruction. Oh wait he doesn't say that anymore.
History says: UNSCOM dismantled the last of the Iraqi WMD programs in 1998. If there were anything left, it would be no good now since the chemical and biological weapons generally only have a shelf life of about 5 years.
Bush says: They have connections to al queda. They are terrorists.
History says: There are no proven connections. There is a slight connection with Iran and a much stronger one with Saudi Arabia, but nothing on Iraq. Saddam actually staunched islamic fundamentalism. Saddam was secular. Now that he is no longer in power we are seeing a rash of extremism by wahabiists and other groups. It is quite obvious that Iraq is more unstable than ever now. I mean we have the al sadr army imposing shariah on entire towns now. And we have the nerve to say we are improving things. Hardly. It's all about oil for the umpteenth time people. Get it through your heads before the damn election.

Anything else?

ihatefrunts

09-10-2004, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by villain
GOD IS PUNISHING FLORIDA FOR ELECTION SCANDAL!
I'm about to stock up on automatic weapons.
And it is obvious to me that there are still some people on the board who have not read any of the political threads on here. Maybe it should be a requirement to lurk before ever posting. I, myself lurked for about a year before ever posting. Anyways enough of that ballyhoo.

It would seem that americans are suffering from a sort of Jonestown collective amnesia. Perhaps a media induced ADHD if you will.

For the sake of clarification and furthering the conversation, I would like to inform people about Bush's follow up justification of the Iraq War.
Bush says: He was a bad man, he killed thousands of people.
History says: He was encouraged to do that and supported and supplied by the U.S. in the Iran Contra affair. The mass graves were part of a U.S. proxy war made possible by the likes of Ollie North who somehow got let off on the charges and now is a republican talking head.
Bush says: He invaded Kuwait, he set the oil fields on fire.
History says: Kuwait was in favor of the U.S. and taking iraqi oil business. Factor #1 Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi soil. Factor #2 Saddam claimed that Kuwait was actually a part of Iraq. They were only divided into separate states when Britain colonized the region. Therefore, are we supporting colonization? Factor #3
There are, of course, other factors.
Bush says: They are making weapons of mass destruction. Oh wait he doesn't say that anymore.
History says: UNSCOM dismantled the last of the Iraqi WMD programs in 1998. If there were anything left, it would be no good now since the chemical and biological weapons generally only have a shelf life of about 5 years.
Bush says: They have connections to al queda. They are terrorists.
History says: There are no proven connections. There is a slight connection with Iran and a much stronger one with Saudi Arabia, but nothing on Iraq. Saddam actually staunched islamic fundamentalism. Saddam was secular. Now that he is no longer in power we are seeing a rash of extremism by wahabiists and other groups. It is quite obvious that Iraq is more unstable than ever now. I mean we have the al sadr army imposing shariah on entire towns now. And we have the nerve to say we are improving things. Hardly. It's all about oil for the umpteenth time people. Get it through your heads before the damn election.

Anything else?

Anthing else...yes. Saddam's regime killed hundreds of thousands of people outside of that affair: he gassed his own people; cut off their tongues; his sons raped and tortured women and then fed them to lions. Are you saying that his regime was fair and just, and simply a victim of US imperialism?

Good perspective/p.o.v. about British colonization in regards to the Kuwait scenario. However, Saddam lighting the oil fields on fire is the epitimy of spite, immaturity, selfishness, and recklessness. I do not think such an action could ever be justified.

Shelf life or no shelf life...biological weapons are intimidating, but nonetheless, an interesting factor you introduced that I have not heard before as I am not an expert in the area of chemicals.

Iraq is really not as unstable as popular opinion suggests. Al Sadr and his clan make up 2,000 out of the total Iraqi population of over 25 million, and he is paying them for their services. Of course, the media will flock to concentrate on only the negative aspects of the war. One illustration of the media's obvious objective is my living in Florida and having experienced hurricanes. They will show footage of the one corner store that is in shambles for days at a time, but neglect to show the rest of the state, or areas down the street from the ruined corner store for that matter, that have minimal damage. I am not saying that Iraq is a tourist attraction by any means, about 1,000 Americans have died, but I am saying that failing to take into account media ambitions is a slippery slope. To say it all about oil, and only about oil, is asonine and painfully limiting in greater scope.

villain

09-10-2004, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
Anthing else...yes. Saddam's regime killed hundreds of thousands of people outside of that affair: he gassed his own people; cut off their tongues; his sons raped and tortured women and then fed them to lions. Are you saying that his regime was fair and just, and simply a victim of US imperialism?

Saddam was no saint, granted. I was merely providing an alternate perspective so the one you elucidated would not become the dominant view. But Saddam is also the very same madman that our CIA put in power, and G. H. W. Bush kept in power after the gulf war by supplying him with gunships to put down the very same rebellion that we incited. Following this train of logic why aren't members of the CIA and W's father incarcerated? This renders your argument moot.

Good perspective/p.o.v. about British colonization in regards to the Kuwait scenario. However, Saddam lighting the oil fields on fire is the epitimy of spite, immaturity, selfishness, and recklessness. I do not think such an action could ever be justified.

Surely igniting the oil wells was a tremendous environmental disaster. Was invading and devastating much of Iraq twice for oil also not spiteful, immature, selfish, and reckless? You cannot do one thing and say another.

Shelf life or no shelf life...biological weapons are intimidating, but nonetheless, an interesting factor you introduced that I have not heard before as I am not an expert in the area of chemicals.

Agreed. Also FYI, even after sanctions were imposed (which by the way killed a million innocent iraqis mostly children, which has been stated before.) Iraq still recieved chemicals from U.S. companies in the form of agricultural products. But we still dismantled their means to refine and weaponize these chemicals. Weaponized chemicals are easily distributed in a dusty texture when on a warhead. Some can even penetrate our best particulate masks.

Iraq is really not as unstable as popular opinion suggests. Al Sadr and his clan make up 2,000 out of the total Iraqi population of over 25 million, and he is paying them for their services. Of course, the media will flock to concentrate on only the negative aspects of the war. One illustration of the media's obvious objective is my living in Florida and having experienced hurricanes. They will show footage of the one corner store that is in shambles for days at a time, but neglect to show the rest of the state, or areas down the street from the ruined corner store for that matter, that have minimal damage. I am not saying that Iraq is a tourist attraction by any means, about 1,000 Americans have died, but I am saying that failing to take into account media ambitions is a slippery slope. To say it all about oil, and only about oil, is asonine and painfully limiting in greater scope.

I know the media is fucked up. That was one of my first statements in the original reply.
You are attempting to undermine a resistance of increasing vitriol. Not everyone are warfighters. But more and more of the average iraqi citizen are being mobilized due to deplorable conditions they are enduring. And often times these warfighters are acting on the opinions of a larger iraqi population.
Muqtada Al Sadr represents the Shiia religion in iraq. His ancestors were the founders of the Shiia religion in Iraq. His opinion is not to be taken lightly as some rabblerouser.

It is not asinine to say that this is about oil, crude as it may sound (pun intended). There is a time when I posted about when I was incarcerated in an Army jail, and part of our duties were to recycle papers. Look for it if you want. We destroyed boxes upon boxes of haliburton reciepts right around the time the enron scandal was in full swing in the media. These reciepts easily documented billions in transactions. I stuck a few in my pocket and posted them in that thread if you are interested. Bush also severed his ties with the company altough I'm sure he has plenty of stock in it. Why is haliburton granted the contract with no other bids? Why are they being audited for a misappropriation of funds?
Many of our troops are on pipeline patrols. Why did chaos break out after the invasion with all the looting? Because we were preoccupied.
There are countless statements from the past saying our major interests in Iraq are oil. Don't make me bust out the facts.
Saudi Arabia hit peak oil. Iraq is the second largest known deposit of oil in the world. Coincidence? I think not.
And why o why are we having such problems in Venezuela as of late? Because it is the third largest producer of oil? Nah couldn't be.

If I am limiting myself you are not showing me how. Rather it is you who are limiting yourself by denying the possibility that this could be about oil. Sure it is atrocious. Sure it is unthinkable. But it is true. And the truth is not always so pretty.

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by crotch rot
SO IF YOUR NOT AN ARAB YOUR AN INFIDEL HUH?? YOUR IGNORANCE AND HATRED IS CAUSED PROBABLY DUE TO LOW SELF ESTEME. BTW THE LAST TIME I CHECKED AN ELEMEMTARY SCHOOL WITH THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN ISNT A MILITARY TARGET OR HAD ANY MILITARY FORCES IN IT, STUPID.

wow dude your ignorance to totally missing my point is so brutally obvious that it made me laugh at work. maybe you should get an adult to read it for you and then maybe you will understand it. i was sticking up for the chechen freedom fighters, NOT the men who took over the school.

get over yourself and stop trying to be big old CAPLOCKS WILL PROVE THAT I AM RIGHT kinda guy

because your a fuckin chump completely dude, learn something about the Chechen Liberation struggle bro

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
Bush's perspective for going into Iraq was entirely rational. Not agreeing with someone does not mean that their counter argument is not rational. For one, the most effective tool in combatting terrorism is to bring the war on the offensive, which is exactly what he has done. At the time, everyone, and I mean everyone, thought he had WMD's. What is conveniently left out in typical liberal jargon is the fact that Saddam has used WMD"s on his own people and US forces during Desert Storm, plans of his to purchase WMD's have since been unveiled, occupying forces have found the means and capability to make WMD"s, etc., etc. - His intentions are what is most important! In addition, why Iraq and not Saudi Arabia? Fair question...one answer obviously rests in the oil interests and established business relationships as you mentioned, but also in the remedial location of Iraq. With Iraq as our ally, we will be able to see certain "going ons" in the Arab world that we have been unable to see until this point. Saddam is not only despised by his own people and the Western world, but also by the neighboring Middle Eastern nations, including Saudi Arabia. Lastly, but certainly not least, by our doing this, we are liberating over a million oppressed people living under Saddam's vicious regime. Collaboratively, these are quite a few reasons suggesting that this was a good decision. At this point, a lesson John Kerry apparently had not learned from his serving in Vietnam, is the fact that the only way we can lose this war is by losing political support at home. After World War II, it took the US 7 years to democratize Japan when it anticipated taking only two. In my opinion, this situation is similar to the Japan Occupation as then, too, we received little help from the rest of the world (Russia, China, Germany, Italy then preoccupied with communism and fascism), and there existed a similar degree of resistence to the Occupation. Since, however, Japan has evolved to have a flourishing economy and a functioning democracy. Suppose we did not go into Iraq, what could we have done but wait...and wait for what, another attack? War is nothing pleasurable so the concept is difficult to sell, but war is an inevitable, necessary occurance. Patience is key. I guess I get most upset with political ambitions that attempt to tear down the commander-in-chief of our military during a time of war, as opposed to simply not voting for him but supporting his decisions in the meantime. That is pussy shit! Where is the patriotism? Putting partisan loyalties aside for one moment, do you really think that Bush is an evil individual who does not have the best intentions in helping the US and the world? Bringing America into a war that would not be beneficial in any aspect would be political suicide. Just like all politicians, his number one incentive is to get reelected, although he has remained visibly unshaken by staggers in public opinion polls. And as far as the 9/11 report, my having read a summary instead of the book was sufficient for the statement I made, which was as general as it gets. An example that illustrates my point is the Fahrenheight 9/11 film. I had read several articles about the film from both perspectives, but in discussions with opposition was said to not know what I was talking about because I had not seen it...so, I went and saw the film and to my discovery I learned nothing I didn't already know. And about intelligent people disliking Bush, and untelligent people liking him is really silly. Reagan used to be a Democrat, but during his campaign to the White House said that he was wrong about a lot of things in his youth.

dude im not gonnna comment on everything you said but i will ask you one question which i guarantee you WILL NOT be able to answer. you seem to have all the facts about why we went into iraq (altho it just seems like all you are doing is towing the republican party line of bush being somekinda american saviour and demi-god buit nevertheless).

But why Iraq? why not any other country where genocide and torture are even worse and have been going on for longer?
you seem to have all the answers about why we went into iraq (altho the seem weak and frail: well we THOUGHT there were WMD...fuck that was the major reason you guys went in, yet nothing. sure saddam used him himself in the past, but so has the states on other countries so give up the ghost)

but back to the mattter at hand...

why no Sudan? North Korea (who we know HAVE GOT nuclear arms, who we KNOW hate the US, who want to destroy the US)?
Saudi Arabia? Syria? Sierre Leone? Chechnya? Georgia? Tajikastan?

why iraq then, when most of the countries above are way more of a threat to the us the iraq? i guarantee that you couldnt answer that question because i dont even think that bush could himself...

heavyLox

09-10-2004, 08:01 PM

i would say not NK cause theres a good chance Kim would not hesitate to set it off.

Something else we seem to over look is bushes STRONG stance against nation building. which he repeated over and over as he was running in round one.

bodice_ripper

09-10-2004, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by cloner
'yee-ha' is not a foreign policy.

I laughed so hard I wretched. classic

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 08:13 PM

oh yeah i totaly agree, you never hear about that, the defiecet (sic), the fact that he still HASNT CAUGHT OSAMA, etc. etc. etc.

!@#$%

09-10-2004, 08:13 PM

naw, bush like nation-destroying!

or, he does hate nation-building, which shows why we left afghanistan in shambles, aren't bringing the pain to the iraq insurgency, undermined the elected governemnt in haiti, approve of the illegal wall in israel, and aren't doing anything about what is officially being called genocide in sudan..

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 08:17 PM

yeah i dont know what its like in the states, but the news stil covers afganistan every so often, but i never hear anyhting in the american media about it
does it show anything about it anymore or is it more out of sight out of mind?

villain

09-10-2004, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by THE CORONER
yeah i dont know what its like in the states, but the news stil covers afganistan every so often, but i never hear anyhting in the american media about it
does it show anything about it anymore or is it more out of sight out of mind?

We are so desensitized that we need lots of death and explosions and celebrity drama and whatnot in order to draw more viewers. The thing... the Totality.... It feeds off negative energy!

Poop Man Bob

09-10-2004, 08:55 PM

JOHN (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/537455/104-2219582-3834353) KERRY PLANS TO RAISE TAXES ON OUR TROOPS IN ORDER TO SUBSIDIZE FREE, GAY HEALTH CARE FOR TRIAL LAWYERS AND TERRORISTS.... THEN ABRUPTLY SWITCH TO THE OPPOSITE COURSE.

heavyLox

09-10-2004, 09:03 PM

"War-hombres de Mucho Destrucción."

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by villain
We are so desensitized that we need lots of death and explosions and celebrity drama and whatnot in order to draw more viewers. The thing... the Totality.... It feeds off negative energy!

yeah no doubt its a sad state of affairs

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob
JOHN (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/537455/104-2219582-3834353) KERRY PLANS TO RAISE TAXES ON OUR TROOPS IN ORDER TO SUBSIDIZE FREE, GAY HEALTH CARE FOR TRIAL LAWYERS AND TERRORISTS.... THEN ABRUPTLY SWITCH TO THE OPPOSITE COURSE.

haha right.........

i dont like either candidate, but lately kerry's been saying shit like he doesnt want canadian beef in the country, fuckin faggot (no offence to gay people) but seriouisly, not ONE perosn in this country has gotten mad cow, and the guy who started mad cow was an american, coincidence?

POIESIS

09-10-2004, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by villain
[B]Why is haliburton granted the contract with no other bids?

villainy,
brown and root wrote a report for the military to see if one contractor could handle
all the logistics of a military intervention(which remains classified to this day). the report convinced cheney that it could be done(91/92ish, when he was SoD). from that brown and root authored the mother of all service contracts: LOGCAP(Logistics Civil Augmentation Program). basically they wrote the bid(which gave them an unfair advantage) and of course won it.
additionally, they (b&r) have been in bed with politicians(starting with lbj, whom they owned) and the military for decades. they also have a hefty rep for getting things done quickly and being an essential logistical service that it appears the US military cannot do without them. so now, basically they are so entrenched that they are for all intents and purposes an arm of the US military. the contract they authored is a
'cost plus' contract, which in laymen terms means they get a blank check from the government. it's a major contract and has been used in every american deployment since it was awarded. they'be made something like $2billy off it.

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 09:23 PM

its weird how theres so much back room dealing

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 09:24 PM

going on

Gunm

09-10-2004, 09:25 PM

at my house

villain

09-10-2004, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by POIESIS
villainy,
brown and root wrote a report for the military to see if one contractor could handle
all the logistics of a military intervention(which remains classified to this day). the report convinced cheney that it could be done(91/92ish, when he was SoD). from that brown and root authored the mother of all service contracts: LOGCAP(Logistics Civil Augmentation Program). basically they wrote the bid(which gave them an unfair advantage) and of course won it.
additionally, they (b&r) have been in bed with politicians(starting with lbj, whom they owned) and the military for decades. they also have a hefty rep for getting things done quickly and being an essential logistical service that it appears the US military cannot do without them. so now, basically they are so entrenched that they are for all intents and purposes an arm of the US military. the contract they authored is a
'cost plus' contract, which in laymen terms means they get a blank check from the government. it's a major contract and has been used in every american deployment since it was awarded. they'be made something like $2billy off it.

Eeks yikes! Nice work!
I can see how this ties into what I've learned of Haliburton also recieving funds from FEMA.
And I thought things were bad when politicians had connections to private industry special interest groups. Now we have private industry grotesquely attached to government!

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 09:29 PM

hahah LENS man whats goin on?
Hows work goin?

POIESIS

09-10-2004, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by ihatefrunts
For one, the most effective tool in combatting terrorism is to bring the war on the offensive, which is exactly what he has done.

well dude, that has yet to be seen. i won't purport to have a real measured alternative, but it seems clear that the american occupation has imputed not only extremists with more anger, but also nationalists, which makes itself apparent every night on the news.
bush talks about resolve..well unfortunately, americans don't have the balls that
mujahadeen have, so we'll be fighting them(and radicalizing many more) for an awfully long time, while thousands of soldiers and innocents die in the process.
is this the only viable option?
i personally refuse to believe it is. i have no faith or indication(s) that the bush administration is pursuing every possible alternative with the same fervor they
have exhibited invading iraq. and why would they? they are CEO's of the iron triangle, accountable only to their shareholders.
blah. shit's foul.

Telo

09-10-2004, 09:45 PM

I LIKE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPSLOCK BECAUSE IT MAY LOOK LIEK IM REALLY SCREAMING BUT IN ACTUALITY, IM NOT..

Nekro

09-10-2004, 09:51 PM

It bothers me that we refer to dealing with the problem of international terrorism as the "war" on terror.

September 11 was not a state-sponsored military action, it was a mass murder/suicide. The hijackers who killed all those people aren't warriors, they're murderers and criminals. They should be referred to as such.

Nothing legitimizes terrorism like referring to it as a military tactic. Stop doing it.

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 09:53 PM

but when you bomb cities with your missiles and civilians die in droves, its called 'spill-over' and 'collateral damage' but thats right, isnt it?

Gunm

09-10-2004, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by THE CORONER
hahah LENS man whats goin on?
Hows work goin?

more of the same fucking around and not doing anything.

I've been thumbing through online record bins most of today

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 10:05 PM

yeah ive been scopin out virtual djing shit
bahaha im so bored and that bronx tale guy is relaly pissing me off for some reason

blah i need a smoke

Gunm

09-10-2004, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by THE CORONER
that bronx tale guy is relaly pissing me off for some reason
huh, i got e-beef with frijoles......if it's who i think it is, someone's shit is gonna get dissed hard in the real world:D

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 10:49 PM

haha lets double team those fucks

Gunm

09-10-2004, 10:51 PM

ha ha, naw, too late in the day for that. maybe first thing monday morning

THE CORONER

09-10-2004, 10:57 PM

haha deal brah
im bored as fuck

freeze

09-11-2004, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by suburbian bum
More people die riding donkeys bitch.

oh, the irony.

dosoner

10-09-2004, 07:23 AM

nader

Poop Man Bob

10-09-2004, 02:11 PM

Why, dos, why? Can we attempt to talk you out of voting for Nader?

SpAdE7

10-09-2004, 06:18 PM

[FONT=Optima][COLOR=red] i'd first gotta say that if i had a real choice in anything we would have no president, or government for that matter. but between bush and carey i'd go wit bush just because cary is a monumental pussy and i dont want a fucking leader of my country that i could kick the shit out of with only one hand.

KRON KING

10-09-2004, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by SpAdE7@Oct 9 2004, 10:18 AM
[FONT=Optima][COLOR=red] i'd first gotta say that if i had a real choice in anything we would have no president, or government for that matter. but between bush and carey i'd go wit bush just because cary is a monumental pussy and i dont want a fucking leader of my country that i could kick the shit out of with only one hand.
Quoted post

first of all, you idiot, spell his name right. its "kerry" not "carey" :five-o: :bday: :gaga:

war pigs

10-09-2004, 06:48 PM

people might call kerry a pussy but...when september 11th was happening, bush was nowhere to be found..that fool was ghost like "oh shit they're comin to get me"...

plus..kerry's friends with superman, and a boston red sox fan...boston fans are rugged...

ModelCitizen

10-10-2004, 09:04 PM

Boston fans are definitely illy ill. Somebody should convince all of Boston that osama's a yankee fan and watch that dude's head turn up like 3 days later. "How bout dem apples."

Word to psychotic sports fanatics.

Weapon X

10-11-2004, 06:43 AM

or if Raider Nation was on the case...the entire middle east would lock their doors.

I'm about to go psychotic because the 'boys lost again.

Let's Go Red Sox!

JeSTeRM3

10-11-2004, 09:24 AM

man, kerry is a fucking dumb fuck!!!!! If we elected him, we would be fighting terrorists in our backyards!!

but then again, who likes bush THAT much, soooooo. . . . . . . .

oh yea, ten cents, I like dem apples. Haha!! good one.

ghostvandal

10-11-2004, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by a bronx tale@Sep 8 2004, 05:13 PM
DAMM WHY DONT SOMEONE TELL HIM TO GROW SOME BALLS, BUSH MAY SUCK BUT AT LEAST HE GOT SOME BALLS TO FIGHT BACK WHEN SOMEONE DEGRADES HIM. IF KERRY CANT FIGHT BACK AGAINST BUSH WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE WILL FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE FILTHY TERRORISTS. EXPECT TO ALL DIE IF THAT FAGGOT BECOMES PRESIDENT. TERRORISTS WORLDWIDE WILL BE LIKE GREAT NOWS OUR CHANCE.
Quoted post

DIDNT YOU GET IT YET?? BUSH IS THE TERRORIST, ISLAM (AND IT SUCKS A LOT WHAT THEY DID TO USA, DONT GET ME WRONG) ONLY GOT A SMALL REVENGE FROM ALL THE SHIT THE STATES DID TO THEM BEFORE. SADAM HUSSEIN WASNT LINKED TO THE TERRORIST, THE IRAKIAN POPULATION WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT THE USA DID TO THEM SINCE THEY STARTED A USELESS PREVENTIVE WAR AND KILLED THOUSANDS OF MOTHERS, CHILDRENS AND INNOCENT PEOPLE.

ITS EASY TO TURN YOURSELF TOWARD THE FIRST BIG GUY THAT PRETEND TO HAVE SOME BALLS WHEN YOU FEEL UNSAFE, BUT THAT LITTLE PUSSY OF BUSH WOULD NEVER SPEND ONE SINGLE DAY ON THE WAR TERRAIN IN IRAK.. AND HE IS THE ONE THAT CAUSED ALL THIS FUCKING MESS. HE IS THE BIGGEST FUCKING TERRORIST ON THIS PLANTE. OPEN YOUR EYES FOR GOD'S SAKE!

war pigs

10-11-2004, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by JeSTeRM3@Oct 11 2004, 04:24 AM
man, kerry is a fucking dumb fuck!!!!! If we elected him, we would be fighting terrorists in our backyards!!

if you're a graf writer you're already labeled a "domestic terrorist" by some people in the government...

you think kerry would honestly not put forth an effort to defend the country, the same way Bush "puts forth an effort"?

the war in iraq is NOT about terrorism...if it was, they'd secure munitions depots before they secured the oil fields....the war in iraq is about making stockholders at haliburton rich...

sometimes i seriously think 9/11 was allowed to happen...the CIA's main function is to overthrow governments...i think ours has been overthrown...

re-elect gore in 2004...

niseNSF

10-11-2004, 09:53 PM

kerry is kind of a pussy..hes had like numerous chances to drop the hammer on Bush in these debates and he just keeps insisting on being gay. at the end of the last debate when the woman asked Bush to say three mistakes he made, and Bush couldnt even name one, Kerry couldve easily said what every intelligent human watching was thinking: "you didnt answer the question, you never answer the question, and you refuse to believe youve ever made a mistake, and you just looked this woman in the eye and fed her a bunch of BS, when all she asked for was some semblance of humility."

but he said nothing like that, he stood up, watched that lobbed pitch he couldve rocked and let it float right by, and blabbered some more even-keeled ho-hum pandering that motivated no one.

im voting for Kerry, but hes not gonna win. the DNC had one job: nominate someone who can motivated energize and unite all the frustration and disappointment in this country....unify it, and lead it into turning the direction of this administration around. the closest they got to finding that guy was Dean....and they were too scared to take a chance on someone who mightve actually made a seachange.....and opted for the most milquetoast democrat they could find. the reality is the democrats dont really want to affect change, they just wanna be in the drivers seat. Dean offered a chance at change, Kerry offered a chance at a feasible victory.

the sad thing is, as we see now, Kerrys inability to stand up and be a man and get angry has let all of the people with liberal or healthy ideals feel like they are voting for the lesser of two evils....or simply voting *against* bush. as opposed to voting FOR kerry. and thats fuckin sad, and thats why Kerry will most likely lose. there are more people in this country who want to see Bush go, but none of tehm are motivated by Kerry. and you best believe every last Bush person is fired up and gonna turn out in November.

each of these debates, i just try to picture how badly someone like Dean wouldve decimated GW....time after time, Bush set himself up to be clowned, and every single god damned time, Kerry got up and let him slip by.

so, yes, Kerry is a goddamned pussy. who the fuck lets someone talk about their purple hearts and just sit there silent? americans wouldve been enthused by a man who could stand up and firmly say "my opponent is a coward who used his blue blood to avoid being shot at vietnam....yet drapes the lives of todays youthful shoulders over his shoulders in order to convince you all to vote for him...hows that for Flip flopping? I may be rich and upper class like him, but i can at least look todays soldiers in the eye and send them to battle with dignity and respect."

kerry and his speech writers cant seem to muster even an iota of testosterone and self respect.

but since were all stuck with the 2 party system for now, hes my only real choice as an active member of this faltering republic.