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Rodney Trotter
09-14-2004, 11:19 AM
I know it's been discussed on here before, but I just read this from a couple of weeks ago:

The Name Game
By ABCNews.com, August 29, 2004

It's the first major decision new parents face, and their choice will stick with their child for a lifetime: what to name the baby. And today simple is out and variety is in, especially for many black Americans.

Many African-American parents say they're returning to their roots by choosing names that sound uniquely black. For some a unique name has been an asset. For stars like Oprah Winfrey or Shaquille O'Neal or Denzel Washington, a distinctive first name can become a unique, identifiable brand, almost a trademark.

But some ordinary folks say being different is just too difficult.

Tiqua Gator says people just can't seem to get her name right. But she says her real burden runs even deeper. She's concerned about getting a better job, and sees her name as a potential handicap.

"Something that was supposed to separate you from everyone else is now at the same time hindering you," she said.

Gator has come to believe she'd have an easier time lining up a job in her chosen field of marketing if she had a plain name like Jane.

"I think that they feel that they can identify better with a Pam or Amber rather than a Tiqua," she said.

Résumé Test

And Gator may be on to something. A recent University of Chicago study, "Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?" by Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan, found that people with names like Pam or Amber got 50 percent more callbacks for job interviews than applicants with similar résumés and names like Lakisha and Shaniqua. (To read the full study, click here.)

Even though the study looked at 5,000 résumés, a group of young professionals didn't quite believe the name on top of their résumés could make that big a difference. The skeptics included Carita, an attorney; Tavoria, a law student; Orpheus, an educator; Arsenetta, a statistician; Tremelle, a financial adviser; and Ebony, an M.B.A. student. So 20/20 asked the six to participate in an experiment.

20/20 put 22 pairs of names to the test — the six skeptics included.

Each person posted two résumés on popular job-search Web sites — one under his or her real name, and the same identical résumé under a made-up, "white-sounding" names like Peter, Melissa and Kathleen.

You'd think the identical résumés would get the same attention. Instead, the résumés with the white-sounding names on them were actually downloaded 17 percent more often by job recruiters looking for candidates.

"You really never know why you don't get called back for that interview. I thought it was because of my job skills, or my résumé wasn't appropriate, but I never thought it was because of my name," Carita said.

She was shocked by the calls from potential employers — not to her, but to her fictitious white counterpart. "I was just blown away that Kathleen got phone calls for three of the four weeks of the study, and I didn't get any. And Kathleen does not exist," she said.

Arsenetta also was envious of her fictitious white alter ego, Kimberly.

"They were calling her morning, noon and night," she said. "I was standing there looking at my phone going, 'God, I want to answer that phone call and tell the man I'm interested in this job!' "

Ebony felt frustrated that companies were quick to stereotype her by name. "Once they get to know me, they say, 'Oh, you know, she is Ebony but she's not that militant one or she's not that rowdy little girl or she's not the ignorant one. She's very smart and very capable of doing this job,' " she said.

What kind of companies were responsible? Our independent research found biased responses from employment agencies, law firms and even large financial corporations.

Recruiter: ‘There Is Rampant Racism’

But capable doesn't always matter. A job recruiter for Fortune 500 companies in northern California revealed an ugly secret.

"There is rampant racism everywhere. And people who deny that are being naďve," said the recruiter, who spoke on the condition her name would not be used.

The recruiter said if she were given two résumés, all else being equal, except one says Shaniqua, and the other says Jennifer, she would call Jennifer first.

It's a choice she says she was trained to make: When representing certain companies, do not send black candidates. And on a résumé, a name may be the only cue of the applicant's race.

"I think that the way that I had been taught and what has helped me to succeed in the industry is unfair," she said.

It's also racist, and, quite possibly, illegal.

That's why author Shelby Steele feels African-Americans must think long and hard before giving their children unusual or "black-sounding" names.

"It's a naďveté on the part of black parents," Steele said, "to name their children names that are so conspicuously different than American mainstream names. … It suggests to people outside that community who hear those names a certain alienation. Certain hostility."

Steele, a researcher specializing in race relations and author of A Dream Deferred: The Second Betrayal of Black Freedom in America, is essentially telling black folks, don't name your child Deshawn or Loquesha.

"Yes. … I'm saying don't name your son Latrelle. Don't do that. … He's going to live 50, 60 years in the future. Give him a break. You know, call him Edward."

Challenge the Bias, Not the Names

But sociologist Bertice Berry says there are prominent African-Americans who've overcome the stigma of a black-sounding name, including top presidential adviser Condoleezza Rice.

"We've learned to say Condoleezza. And you just can't get more ghetto than Condoleezza," Berry said.

Opera diva Leontine Pryce also overcame any stigma attached to her name.

"We hear Leontine and you think opera," Berry said, "… When they're associated with power and wealth we learn them." Berry says what needs to change is society, not black names.

But the bias against those names, it seems, starts very early. University of Pittsburgh Vice Provost Jack Daniel studied 4- and 5-year-old children and found racist perceptions were deeply ingrained at an early age.

White children had a tendency to associate negative traits with black names, according to Daniel. "Your name can hurt you," Daniel said, "but you've got to change the people who hurt you because of your name.'

So, Daniel and his wife, Jeri, rejected white-sounding names for their own children. They chose African names — Omari and Marijata. "We thought that it was really important that the assimilation process not dissolve who we were as a people," Jeri Daniel said.

The Daniels' children carried on the tradition, naming their children Amani, Akili, Deven and Javon. They see the names as a source of pride.

But some of today's black-sounding names are more about conspicuous consumption than tradition. There is a trend to name children after luxury goods, like Moet, Lexus, even Toyota.

Steele said that trend "suggests real cultural deprivation. And it's heartbreaking to hear it."

Berry feels that "There's a responsibility, when anybody names a child, to name them something that means something." But she added, "I don't think we need to tell people, 'Don't name them that, because I don't like the way it sounds.' "

Unhappy with her own name and her experience in the job market, Tiqua Gator named her son Derek to help him get by in white America. "If I was to have any more children, it wouldn't be any Tiquas or it wouldn't be any Tamikas or Aishas. It would be something common," she said. "I wouldn't want my child to go through the same thing that I've went through."


It's not as though they're giving them traditional African names or anything. They just give them goofy made up names, or just name them after their favourite brand of cognac or champagne.

Pfffffffffft
09-14-2004, 11:46 AM
but which is worse?? black people with their made up names?? (D'Shranda, LaQuentsha, Escalasha, Spinnisha)...or white people and their played out, boring names( richard, sally, cody, chase, ben)


think about it.

Dick Quickwood
09-14-2004, 11:55 AM
Tiqua haahahh

TheoHuxtab|e
09-14-2004, 12:10 PM
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casekonly
09-14-2004, 12:53 PM
writers are creative with their names. it's awful to make fun of someones name, whether it's made up or not.

in other words, fuck it. a name is a name. there's always the unspeakable name that we all have before actual birth names are given, anyway.

kido
09-14-2004, 01:10 PM
Theres a lot of white people with weird assed names too ya know, my parents named my little brother jace. Which I think is a cool fuckin name. Theres no way that Im gonna name my son Robert, or Dan, Dave, Matt, James or Todd

Dick Quickwood
09-14-2004, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by kido
Theres a lot of white people with weird assed names too ya know, my parents named my little brother jace. Which I think is a cool fuckin name. Theres no way that Im gonna name my son Robert, or Dan, Dave, Matt, James or Todd


name him Grunch

alure
09-14-2004, 01:26 PM
i gave machai a common first name and uncommon middle name.. but i call him by his middle name..



what casek said a name is a name.. we arent in kindergarden anymore.. who cares if their name is unique..

many of us think we grow up..but we're still doing the same elementary school bullshit.. " oh your name sounds funny hehehehe"

2 blaazed
09-14-2004, 02:14 PM
what about all these wierd ass name celebrities and what not are giving there kids...you will get abused in jhs for having a wierd name alone..

seeking
09-14-2004, 02:20 PM
ive thought about this topic alot. why? because i just think too damn much. really though. i cant front, when i see a name like 'lashaniquia' or 'shequanda', i have a particular 'idea' in my head of the person, and unfortunately, 9.9 times out of ten, that idea fits. if i was in a position of hiring someone, and all i had to go on was the name on the resume, flat out, i'd take jennifer over makisha. does that make me racist? probably. do i care? not really. cause if you add a last name to it, i'd be just as likely to pick jennifer gonzales, as i would jennifer marryweather. infact, i'd be more likely to pick gonzales.
i live in a city full of individuals who name their kids, literally, after rappers and (as mentioned) luxury items. 'cristal' 'mercedes' 'lexus'... theres a ton of them. its fucking ridiculous. and i dont want to cast stones, but the only person who names their kid after a brand of champagne, is an ignorant person, and ignorant parents, seldom raise intelligent, well adjusted children.
i'm not usually one to place the burden on the minority, but in this instance, just stop giving your kids retarded names that you fucking made up, and think they sound 'ethnic'. they dont sound ethnic, they sound ridiculous. 'tamiqua' is not a 'traditional' african name, it's some shit that someone made up in the 80's. it's like naming your fucking kid 'atari'. ugh. if you're black and poor, you know your kid has an uphill battle to begin with, if you're going to name him lemongelo, you might as well tattoo 'crip' across his forehead too.

seeking
09-14-2004, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by 2BLAZZED
what about all these wierd ass name celebrities and what not are giving there kids...you will get abused in jhs for having a wierd name alone..


fantastic point. think of frank zappas kids. if they were not famous, you think anyone would be jumping at the chance to hire 'dwezil' or 'moon unit'?! it's not really an issue of race, it's an issue of social norms and expectations. names imply certain things. naming your son 'mohammed ahkbar johnson' makes you sound just as 'rebellious' as being named 'moon beam miller' makes you sound stoned.
no one wants that shit in their company.

have fun with that data entry future.

casekonly
09-14-2004, 02:23 PM
the thing is, if you raise your children in a correct manner, and you teach them to be oblivious to things like that, it will be ok.

a name is a name is a name.

there shouldn't be a problem with it. the insecurities of others will obviously be a factor...poking fun of others for such minor issues as a name, race, religion, etc. are just too damned stupid.

casekonly
09-14-2004, 02:28 PM
apparently while i was busy posting and dual browsing another site, seeks was typing away at his keyboard, voicing his opinion.

i respect what you said, seeks. honestly. but a name is such a minor thing in life.

however, you are speaking like the majority thinks. very respectable that you have the balls to say it, though.

who cares if a girl is named "mercedes" or a guy is named "kniven" (i know a guy who's son is named kniven). it's irrelevant to life. it's all about educating people (children in particular) to not let things like a name or skin color have any effect on how they treat someone else.

anyway, good points all around.

seeking
09-14-2004, 02:38 PM
educate all you want, if i have a company, and i need someone to go out and deal with clients, i will be more comfortable with a jeff rogers, than a laquinta jones. does that make me a dick? fine. ya know what, i'll take it a step further, i wouldnt even have a problem with a name like jamal, or jerome, and just about any hispanic name is fine. it's only when you get into these riduclous names that sprung up in the 70's and 80's, that the problem arrises (60's for hippie names). and if its just a name, why is it a problem? because a name is who you are. it represents you. if your name is igor nabukov, people will assume you are russian, and expect you to have specific traits...possibly an accent, russian looking features, etc. if you're name is william goldburgh, people will expect certain things. larger nose, slight jewish accent, etc. and guess what...9 times out of ten, they'll be right. so if you then get a sharonda wiliams, i'm willing to bet that the majority of the time, the preconceptions they'll have about that person would be correct too. possibly a 'snappy' attitude (even if a positive one) inability to pornounce 'ask'. it's sad, but it's true. and if you want to deny that it's true, you're lying to yourself and lying to us. stereotypes don't just fly out of peoples asses. every single one has some basis in reality.

casekonly
09-14-2004, 02:57 PM
i don't know, man. i really don't know what to tell you. i don't look down on you for your views, but i definitely don't agree with them.

it's all good.

life is life and that's how it's played, right?
even if shakwanda or valencia have a genius i.q., most likely jeff williams or jane smith will get hired because white people are more comfortable saying "hey, jane, did ya get those papers faxed out on time?"

it's moronic. it really is, but such is life. it's lack of understanding, education (the proper type, not taught in schools) and social skills that make us (as humans) so quick to judge based upon something like a name.

ethnicity shouldn't have anything to do with anything, but it does.

Pfffffffffft
09-14-2004, 03:02 PM
ironically enough,

i have a very white friend named Anton...

he gets kidded about this everyday but....


the name Anton is an old Irish name..
and thats my word...

the name just was engulfed by the African American Culture


*edit..shadey grammer

Pfffffffffft
09-14-2004, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by seeking
inability to pornounce 'ask'.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

seeking
09-14-2004, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by casekonly

it's moronic. it really is, but such is life. it's lack of understanding, education (the proper type, not taught in schools) and social skills that make us (as humans) so quick to judge based upon something like a name.

ethnicity shouldn't have anything to do with anything, but it does.


the thing is, i'm a 'realist'. i dont care what shti looks like on paper, i know what it looks like in the real world. i know that stereotypes are right way more than people want to admit, and that exceptions do not change the rule. white people, as a whole, lack rhythm and love power ballads, blacks like gold and chicken, mexicans love tacos and umm...lowriders. asians really are good at math. it's not because any one of them is naturally born with a predisposition towards such things, it's nurturing, and certain cultures nurture certain things. it's just the way life is. tell me i'm wrong, and i'll tell you you're either blind, or lying. until the shariquandas of the world can understand the proper usage of 'do, does, done, did', people will always expect otherwise.

seeking
09-14-2004, 03:16 PM
pffffft,
transpositions don't count.

imported_Tesseract
09-14-2004, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by seeking
until the shariquandas of the world can understand the proper usage of 'do, does, done, did', people will always expect otherwise.

Truth has been told

Swiffer Jet
09-14-2004, 03:27 PM
haha I remember a thread similar to this a long tiem ago.

About how black people name their daughter(s) after car manufacturers and heavenly words.

Lexus
Mercedes
Serenity
Hope

etc

Pfffffffffft
09-14-2004, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by seeking
pffffft,
transpositions don't count.

it counts if people dont know about name history or origin... assuming the theory of you being a business owner and hiring someone just based off names on paper.....

S@T@N
09-14-2004, 03:33 PM
I remember something gliko passed to me as a gag, but it wasn't a joke.
It was an online birth certificate published by a hospital:

Urhines Icey-8 Special K.


Or something along those absolutely ridiculous lines.


If you came to me looking for a job and you had anything less than a
fucking crown and scepter on you when you walked in, the only call back
you'd be getting is me laughing hysterically at your stupid name... and
probably a suggestion to go beat your parents.

casekonly
09-14-2004, 03:35 PM
seeking, being a realist is being gay and i hope you get ass raped by a black man.

i'm joking.

the thing is, by being as confident in yourself and in what you're saying, it sort of makes you right. it's the same way that you seem so assured in yourself and your philosophies probably wins you alot of arguements (you fucking energy thief). i'm dead serious. not about disrespecting you, but about the confidence thing.

anyway, i'm eating some ramen noodles in a cup (i had no idea there was such a thing until recently). i understadn what you're saying, but it seems as though i may be just as stubborn as you are. haha.

S@T@N
09-14-2004, 03:35 PM
http://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/stf33...?babyID=h33-440 (http://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/stf33/public/stf33birthannouncement.pl?babyID=h33-440)




and there it is.

casekonly
09-14-2004, 03:45 PM
ok, that's just cruel.

imported_Tesseract
09-14-2004, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by casekonly
seeking, being a realist is being gay and i hope you get ass raped by a black man.

i'm joking.

the thing is, by being as confident in yourself and in what you're saying, it sort of makes you right. it's the same way that you seem so assured in yourself and your philosophies probably wins you alot of arguements (you fucking energy thief). i'm dead serious. not about disrespecting you, but about the confidence thing.

anyway, i'm eating some ramen noodles in a cup (i had no idea there was such a thing until recently). i understadn what you're saying, but it seems as though i may be just as stubborn as you are. haha.

I think that the whole issue is just how deep pollitical correct terms and ideas settle in you and just how fast they collapse once you see the way it is. We would all want to live in a perfect world but trying to achieve it via nayve ideas just wont work.

Pfffffffffft
09-14-2004, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by S@T@N
http://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/stf33...?babyID=h33-440 (http://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/stf33/public/stf33birthannouncement.pl?babyID=h33-440)




and there it is.


wow, poor child..

seeking
09-14-2004, 03:59 PM
no, no, i thought you were quoting me because i typed 'pornounce' instead of 'pronounce' (transposed the O-R). that's what i was refering too.

black people dont name their kids anton, they name them antwon or antoin. well, i suppose some might be named anton, but id hardly consider that to be a racially specific name.

the thing that 'defines' such a name is this....there is this pool of prefixes, sufixes and root names, and some people just mix and match shit in order to come up with something 'unique'...problem is that it's no more 'unique' than every punk rock kid who claims he's trying to 'be different' (by looking like all his friends). you'd have no problem refering to someone like that as 'cliche' and 'stupid' but once it touches on race we get all pussified. whatever. call a spade a spade (no pun intended) no one but poor black people in america does this shit. no one else takes meaningless sufixes and ads them to existing names, trying to make them sound sort of like african countries or something (rawanda, mozambic for instance?) worse yet, is that from my experience, the names are the only thing even remotely 'cultural' about the people. i've met a hell of a lot more 'laqwandas' with bullshit jobs and coach purses, than rebeccas with burberry coats. shit kind of goes hand in hand, like it or not.

whatever, i know by discussing this, im risking digging myself into a hole and being incredibly un-politically correct, but honestly, i dont give a shit. all being PC means, is not saying the shit everyone is already thinking. it doesnt change anything. familiarity changes shit, honesty changes shit. having the god given sense to not name your kid 'tupac' or 'rakim' changes shit. you're child is not an african king, he lives in baltimore. if you want to move him to zimbabwe, go ahead, get nutty. if you want him to have a fighting chance in america, then accept our culture. you wouldnt teach him to speak pig latin as his primary language, so dont teach him broken english and try to justify it.
sorry, as much as im making this into a big joke, its a subject i genuinly care an assload about, and one i take far more seriously than im probably making it sound. it's just very frustrating, and frustration leads me to joke, because otherwise i get all fucking emo and cry about it.

imported_Tesseract
09-14-2004, 04:09 PM
seeking is on fire today! sometimes i feel you should be really famous dude

StarzAbove
09-14-2004, 04:13 PM
I find Native Americans & Indians to have weird long names also

bodice_ripper
09-14-2004, 04:13 PM
The parents should be beaten to death publicly for that. what a shower of buttmunchers.

I'm not sure I can back this up but, it seems lumping your kid with a name that purposely states their racial background before you even see them is, sort of, inviting people to discriminate...is it not?

Pfffffffffft
09-14-2004, 04:14 PM
seeking,

i have agreed with your points from the start, i just cant explain myself the way you have..

do you debate much with people in person or is this an aquired talent that you have picked up from the many post on 12oz?

just curious and there are people on the site that appreciate your lengthy post

seeking
09-14-2004, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by casekonly

the thing is, by being as confident in yourself and in what you're saying, it sort of makes you right. it's the same way that you seem so assured in yourself and your philosophies probably wins you alot of arguements (you fucking energy thief). i'm dead serious. not about disrespecting you, but about the confidence thing.


dude, i hate arguing with people like me. ha. it's just too damn difficult. not even kidding.
one of the things that makes arguing with me so damn difficult, is that i stay away from arguments that deal with 'facts' unless i know the facts fall in my favor. since this is an argument of ideas and theory, the 'winner' is going to be the one that can make their perspective sound the most reasonable, and generally speaking, the most practical. not that i tailor my argument to fit this, i just tailor my life to fit the most 'practical' perspective, so it's easy for me to speak on. plus, i'm just a pretty good speaker, which works in my favor.

at the end of the day, ideally i agree with you, a name should not matter, but i also believe we should have national health care, a fair tax plan, better foreign policy, and free refills on all soda fountain beverages. buuuuut, since thats not reality, i'm not going to pretend like it is and hope i dont get sick, poor or thirsty, naw'mean? ;)

casekonly
09-14-2004, 04:15 PM
tesseract: there is a difference between being pc, idealistic, and knowing what is going on in the world and not paying it any attention.

i choose not to pay attention to the b/s. names...what is in a name? seeking...let's just call him darryl for arguements sake or because i want to call him darryl....anyway, darryl is making valid points. especially about jobs...white people (and i am kinda white, myself. not all, but still) would rather yell "mary" or "bob" across a room that "shawanda"...white people would more likely hire a bob or mary...fuck an iq...fuck common sense...

that is exactly how "it" is. darryl is correct. my point is that if we properly educate and correct our children, a name won't mean anything other than "that is what that particular person is called". it won't be grounds for hurtful comments, etc. that can screw up a childs psyche moreso than some name his folks gave him.

i'm not all beardo love widespread panic hippie here.

seeking...err, darryl, rather, i commend you on your brute honesty. it's rare that someone will go completely out of their way to be an ass pirate.

but, seriously....it is rare that someone won't be all pc and actually voice their true opinion. good job. now get rid of that officer whatever his name is and get me a list of all the asian massage parlors in the detroit area.

not_like_you
09-14-2004, 04:18 PM
My girl works in a doctors office, they had a patient named SHITHEAD..
I'm not making this up either, the mother of the child told my old lady it was pronounced SHA-TEAD...WTF is wrong with people?:lol:



On a side note my middle name is FREE...Seriously.:o

casekonly
09-14-2004, 04:21 PM
seeks: i just read your last post (posted while i was typing, no doubt)

i was correct, then? you are just confident in what you say....even if you're not correct, it seems like you are to the uneducated or meek. ha!

tesser is right, you do need to be famous...somehow...too bad carnies don't really exist any longer.

Pfffffffffft
09-14-2004, 04:21 PM
that just reminded my of a guy in the area whose name is Divine Ruler....

and thats no shit either..first and last name...
what LSD where his parents doing in the early 70s..

seeking
09-14-2004, 04:22 PM
pffft,
i dont debate much 'in real life' because i dont like to talk to most people, and it's much easier for me to just go off on my own and draw or something. while im at work though, i have nothing else to divert my attention....well, other than my job, but i dont feel like doing that. ha. i will get into things if i'm prodded enough, but i try not to. it's aggravation i dont generally need.
i'm glad some people find it atleast amuzing. as long as folks laugh, it was worth my time.

casekonly
09-14-2004, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Pfffffffffft
that just reminded my of a guy in the area whose name is Divine Ruler....

and thats no shit either..first and last name...
what LSD where his parents doing in the early 70s..

black gels

S@T@N
09-14-2004, 04:25 PM
I can never help but laugh when I see black people with the last name
Freeman. It happens all too often...


Before you say it, I know all the fuck about it. Don't explain to me that
it's because their real family names were lost during slavery, 'cause I
already fucking know that too. However, you didn't the Soltysiak
family float over here in the mid 1900's and rename themselves
"The Immigrants," "The Whitey's," or "The Havenots."

casekonly
09-14-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by seeking

i'm glad some people find it atleast amuzing. as long as folks laugh, it was worth my time.

seeks, i really dig this shit...this is what livens up the board. no shit. too bad this type of thing doesn't occur more often. or maybe it's a good thing?

seeking
09-14-2004, 04:29 PM
casek,
everyone thinks they're right, ya know. i may not be, but i genuinly believe the shit i say. if it turns out i'm wrong, i'll gladly admit i was. honestly, i would always rather be wrong, because it's a whole lot easier for me to move over to the side of the 'righteous' than it is to get others to come over to you, ya know.

fame is an illusion, i just want to make the people around me laugh. dave chappelle is awesome.

not_like_you
09-14-2004, 04:31 PM
2 of my close friends have the last name WHITE. Funny thing is they're darker than most black people... Doesnt seem to bother them, even when I call them white boy or cracker.:cool:

casekonly
09-14-2004, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by seeking
casek,
everyone thinks they're right, ya know. i may not be, but i genuinly believe the shit i say. if it turns out i'm wrong, i'll gladly admit i was. honestly, i would always rather be wrong, because it's a whole lot easier for me to move over to the side of the 'righteous' than it is to get others to come over to you, ya know.

fame is an illusion, i just want to make the people around me laugh. dave chappelle is awesome.

preach on brotha, preach on. ..

i honestly do like these debates. it livens up the place, gets the old mind thinking, etc.

alure
09-14-2004, 04:40 PM
I understand the point of view from which Seeking is coming from, because most people do think that way. Its just a shame that most people think that way, and see no other point of view. You should be reading the information on the resume not what the name says. Our fucking society can be so ignorant at times. Yes, i have laughed at people's names before. I mean come on Gwnyeth Palthrow just named her child Apple, . (haha..see i'm laughing) but that doesnt mean they didnt recieve the right education. They could have gone to harvard, while Ms.Smith didnt even graduate from Highschool. I dont know.. i'm one of those people who believe in fairness, and if i was a manager and both resumes were tied, i would interview both of them, not just go by who has a common name. You want the person that best fits the postition.



But like Seeking also said, no matter what people will always be judged by shit like that. So like i said earlier thats why i gave Machai a common first name-Connor, so when he does go to work, stupid shit like that can't be held against him.

2 blaazed
09-14-2004, 04:52 PM
THERE WAS THIS BLACK GIRL IN HS NAMED FEMALE IT WAS PRONOUNCE FE-MAL-E-A.....I LATER FOUND IT SHE WAS NAMED THAT CUZ WHEN SHE WAS BORN HER PARENTS ABANDONDED HER SO THE DOCTOR JUST NAMED HER FEMALE SINCE SHE WAS A GIRL

seeking
09-14-2004, 05:02 PM
as long as america remains a firecly capitalist society, racism will always exist (and flourish). if someones name or skin color may cause someone else to lose money, it will be a problem for everyone involved. as our job market moves over from industrial to technological, intelligence is far, far more important than physical capability. 40 years ago, what mattered was that you could put a car together, or machine a part. it didnt matter if you could speak properly, hell it didnt matter if you could speak at all. as long as you could show up sober and work for 8 hours, you were qualified. of course there was still racism, but that was completely ignorant racism with no basis what-so-ever in reality. now a days though, you need to have multi-national teleconfrences and deal with branches of your company in 35 different states. you need to project a professional attitude and confidence to potential clients. bosses know that that 9.9 times out of ten, the name brent williams is going to be better received than lakisha jones. on top of that, because of societies biased educational system, 'lakisha' is also going to be much more likely to speak with an accent, miss-pronounce words, or use words that dont exist (conversate, anyone?!) than 'brent' is. thats just fact. its not an inherent problem, its a social and economic problem, but it is a problem. we might be created equal, but we are not reared equal.

i could go on for a million years.

seeking
09-14-2004, 05:08 PM
um, some of these stories are just flat out bullshit. no one would ever name their kid 'shithead'. unless i see a bith certificate, i wont believe. child protective services have stepped in to intervene in cases like this in the past. they wouldnt let that slide. also, no black grand parent is going to let their daughter, name their their grand child 'shithead'. some of the names might be ridiculous, but thats just retarded.
also, if a baby was abandoned, it would not be up to the random dr. that happened to check it out after it was found, to name it, and if he did, he would not name it 'female' and give it some retarded afrocentric pronunciation. not unless the 'dr.' had a partner named 'ed lover' and he worked at 'hot 106.7 mercy hospital' anyway.

this shit is all urban folk lore, much like the story of 'lemonjelo, and oranjelo (lemon-jelo, and orange-jelo).

imported_Tesseract
09-14-2004, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by seeking


fame is an illusion, i just want to make the people around me laugh.

thats awesome, by fame i mean a larger audience and you being able to make a living by doing what pleases you..oh wait..i sound like casek now...:D

MIZZaBcfly
09-14-2004, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by alure
I understand the point of view from which Seeking is coming from, because most people do think that way. Its just a shame that most people think that way, and see no other point of view. You should be reading the information on the resume not what the name says. Our fucking society can be so ignorant at times. Yes, i have laughed at people's names before. I mean come on Gwnyeth Palthrow just named her child Apple, and i have a son with a kid named Leif. (haha..see i'm laughing) but that doesnt mean they didnt recieve the right education. They could have gone to harvard, while Ms.Smith didnt even graduate from Highschool. I dont know.. i'm one of those people who believe in fairness, and if i was a manager and both resumes were tied, i would interview both of them, not just go by who has a common name. You want the person that best fits the postition.



But like Seeking also said, no matter what people will always be judged by shit like that. So like i said earlier thats why i gave Machai a common first name-Connor, so when he does go to work, stupid shit like that can't be held against him.

^You hit the nail right on the head alure, i agree with you 110%

seeking
09-14-2004, 05:14 PM
hey, show us your tits.

MIZZaBcfly
09-14-2004, 05:22 PM
^pervert

imported_Tesseract
09-14-2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by MIZZaBcfly
^pervert

That would be me, i'm the kind of dude that would sit on your opossite building's roof all dressed in black for hours until i could capture you on film doing your dirty-dirty...seeking just wants to see your tits, nothing wrong with that, if we make a poll 98% of the board would like to see them

Boring Bastard
09-14-2004, 05:26 PM
Nigga..........I'm white! With a fairly plain name and a good job!

Tell me what "Tyrondell" has to say about that?????

KaBar2
09-14-2004, 05:29 PM
What name a parent chooses for their child is going to have a great deal of influence on how that child sees himself or herself. The desire to name a child something unique and ethnic is no different for a black parent than it is for a white parent. How many red-headed, blue-eyed Seans or Patricks have you met? How many Roman Catholic girls named Mary Elizabeth, Mary Alice, Mary Josepha have you met? And don't forget, being named Jamal in north Africa is probably about like being named "Ted" here in the U.S.

Most parents want to name their children something that has some meaning, some tradition, and some dignity. I think the thing that bothers me about "black-sounding" names like Laquisha and Rashonda is that they don't seem to have any basis in reality. But, as the trend continues, eventually these sort of names will become commonly known and accepted, and Rashonda will be no different than Rebecca or Rachel, which are both English adaptations of Hebrew names of Bibical characters.

Some people deliberately pick ghetto sounding names for their children, and I find that a little disturbing. BTW, you guys do realize that "Mercedes" was a Spanish name for girls about three or four hundred years before the invention of the automobile, don't you?

Cut people some slack on the names thing. If it strikes you as bad, it's probably you, not them.

MIZZaBcfly
09-14-2004, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Tesseract
That would be me, i'm the kind of dude that would sit on your opossite building's roof all dressed in black for hours until i could capture you on film doing your dirty-dirty...seeking just wants to see your tits, nothing wrong with that, if we make a poll 98% of the board would like to see them

:lol:

mr.yuck
09-14-2004, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by seeking
stereotypes don't just fly out of peoples asses. every single one has some basis in reality.

<span style='color:black'>When i lived with my boy and his mom (Black family) we ate fried chicken almost every night.

I feel you 100% on the name thing. My buddy has gotten rejection letters due back to his name for jobs like working at a car wash, bagging groeries, and other menial bullshit. It ranges not just from corporate jobs but everything inbetween. It got to the point where the best thing for him to do would be to go to a job and talk to the people for a little bit to show them that he wasnt just some ignorant ass fool.

Due to my last name, I dont even try to fly anywhere any more. The security at the airport has looked at my ID done a double take and literally said to me "Whoa...guess what! You are the random guy to be searched" and just fucked with me non stop almost causing me to miss my flight everytime. The thing is its not any where near any kind of aribic name but its also not a more noticible name like smith jones or an italian sounding name or what have you.

Shit sucks but that is life.</span>

imported_Tesseract
09-14-2004, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by MIZZaBcfly
:lol:

seriously:dazed:

casekonly
09-14-2004, 07:21 PM
my only excuse is that i'm really into buddhist theory and practice.

seeking
09-14-2004, 07:22 PM
and?
ha.
im real into buddhist theory and practice and i own a machine gun.
everything is relative.

!!! SUB DUDE
09-14-2004, 07:24 PM
i read the birth announcements in the local newspaper every day just to laugh at this shit. it seems that the current trend is LOTS of unnecessary apostrophes and names that have "rae" somewhere in them.

oh and one time i met a girl named "ROTUNDA." seriously. :lol:

GLIK$
09-14-2004, 07:24 PM
well it comes down to this:

Brewster Baker
09-14-2004, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by S@T@N
http://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/stf33...?babyID=h33-440 (http://www.newbabynews.net/hospitals/stf33/public/stf33birthannouncement.pl?babyID=h33-440)


and there it is. damn i feel sorry for that kid.

S@T@N
09-14-2004, 08:38 PM
Yeah, I think Jesus cried a little bit.

ODS-1
09-14-2004, 08:43 PM
caleb is the worst name ever.

Pfffffffffft
09-14-2004, 08:45 PM
caleb isnt as bad as cody

S@T@N
09-14-2004, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by ODS-1
caleb is the worst name ever.


This dog is named Caleb.


[img]http://wordsauce.com/Flicks/Caleb.jpg'>



I dare you to find a cuter dog anywhere.

seeking
09-14-2004, 10:59 PM
wow, that is a cute dog.
is it a dog, or a puppy?

sarahyoulose
09-14-2004, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by 2BLAZZED
what about all these wierd ass name celebrities and what not are giving there kids...you will get abused in jhs for having a wierd name alone..


LIKE APPLE? WHO THE HELL NAMES THEIR KIDS APPLE? WTF?

stupid gwenyth STUPID

Issac Brock
09-14-2004, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by seeking
as long as america remains a firecly capitalist society, racism will always exist (and flourish). if someones name or skin color may cause someone else to lose money, it will be a problem for everyone involved. as our job market moves over from industrial to technological, intelligence is far, far more important than physical capability. 40 years ago, what mattered was that you could put a car together, or machine a part. it didnt matter if you could speak properly, hell it didnt matter if you could speak at all. as long as you could show up sober and work for 8 hours, you were qualified. of course there was still racism, but that was completely ignorant racism with no basis what-so-ever in reality. now a days though, you need to have multi-national teleconfrences and deal with branches of your company in 35 different states. you need to project a professional attitude and confidence to potential clients. bosses know that that 9.9 times out of ten, the name brent williams is going to be better received than lakisha jones. on top of that, because of societies biased educational system, 'lakisha' is also going to be much more likely to speak with an accent, miss-pronounce words, or use words that dont exist (conversate, anyone?!) than 'brent' is. thats just fact. its not an inherent problem, its a social and economic problem, but it is a problem. we might be created equal, but we are not reared equal.

i could go on for a million years.



I strongly disagree with some of the points you have made here. I am amazed that you can actually say that someone with a name like Lakisha is more likely to mispronounce words than someone named Brent. This is very wrong for many reasons.

If the two have similar resumes, it means that they both have similar backrounds and education, meaning that obviously this Lakisha, if at the same status as Brent, has gotten a grasp on the english language and is a proficient worker. Theres no reason to think that just because she has african american heritage that she is more likely to not be able to pronounce simple words and phrases. I find that highly offensive to any hard working african american who has done well in studies and followed through with hard work and college to get a good job.

Another thing is that The American SAT's are designed completely for white-america. The entire tests are deveoped in a way that is much easier and more understandable to kids who have grown up in the average white society, for instance, a suburb. Therefore, most blacks score lower on tests just because of their backround, reflecting nothing on intelligence. Dont believe me? Read the book "Institutional Racism in America" and you will understand. Or search the web for institutional racism and read on one of the vast amounts of sources supporting my point (not that i am originating this idea, and they are supporting ME personally obviously). So really what this means is that someone who is black and has a similar resume to a white person, and higher or equilivent education means they had to work HARDER. Everything that they had to do was harder for them due to every single thing that is designed for white america, including the sugar coated history all the way to the bad grades because of rascist teachers and distractions from living in a lower class neighborhood like drugs and gangs, all the way to the tests. I'm sick of talking about this but you get my point. Don't call such a completely stereotyping statement "fact". thats just bullshit. and im not trying to disrespect you or lecture you or something, im just arguing the argument.

http://www.nyec.org/racism.htm

willy.wonka
09-14-2004, 11:22 PM
PACMAN

and poogy

LaCosaNostra
09-14-2004, 11:25 PM
If only you were white Issac, if only you were white.

seeking
09-15-2004, 12:03 AM
i keep trying to clarify my point better, but i really dont care enough, so i'll go ahead and admit you're right (atleast with your first paragraph). if there were two people with identical resumes (which included bachelors, or grad school and previous employment), one named tashaniqua johnson, and one named jeff hallsworthy, tashaniqua would be just as qualified as jeff. to fully understand what i was saying though, you'd have to read the entire thread and understand the totality of my point: intelligent people do not give their children nonsensical names. which means that 'tashaniqwa johnson' even being in that position is so unlikely, that it's almost a moot point. i was kind of unintentionally combining two arguments into one, and you're right, the scenario i described, she would be just as qualified, and my 'fact' is not a 'fact'.

as for your second paragraph, you'll get no arguments here. i know the system is set up against poor people, i've maintained that from the begining. infact, thats been the center of my argument. if all schooling was equal, and everyone had a fair chance, then names indeed would not matter, but when you give your child a name that instantly identifies them with a specific group of people, they will be included with that group (right or wrong).

the point of all my posts in this thread, besides just trying to amuse people (as discussed) was that intelligent people who want their children to succeed do not name their kids toyota (or moon beam, or apple). by doing so, you are automatically putting your child at a disadvantage. the people who dont consider that, clearly are not very bright to begin with, thus the cycle repeats.

very good reply.

Telo
09-15-2004, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Pfffffffffft
(Escalasha, Spinnisha)


Oh good god.. hahaaahah..




/rollin on them thangs.. well... kinda..

TheoHuxtab|e
09-15-2004, 12:42 AM
This thread just BREATHES subliminal racism and bigotry. :lol:

SukiSukiNow
09-15-2004, 12:45 AM
names of some of my old students:
deja vu
arneesha
tyree
drakari
tymani
raekwon
ayzia
nichelle
jibao
interesting to say the least



p.s. hi rodney =)

S@T@N
09-15-2004, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by seeking
wow, that is a cute dog.
is it a dog, or a puppy?


He's a puppy. He won't get to be much larger than that, though. Even
as a full adult, he will look almost identical to that, except his hair will be
a little bit longer.

Issac Brock
09-15-2004, 01:33 AM
Allright seeking, I gotcha. I think the main thing that is going wrong right now is like i said, if Brent and Lakisha have the same educational backround, USUALLY it means Lakisha is a harder worker and is more qualified, when its always backwords. This just makes it so much harder to improve minorty achievement. Agreed?

TheoHuxtab|e
09-15-2004, 01:48 AM
Rahshaniqua LaTasha Washington-Davis a.k.a. "Kool-Aid" would like to interject and say:

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/diverse/niggaplease.jpg'>

Bendin' co-nuhs on gold Daytonas. We heated, so beat it.

Weapon X
09-15-2004, 02:42 AM
what the?

I have an original name! And I like it! And it means something, too.

Yeah, I got made fun of a bit, and as a matter of fact, people still try. Yeah, people my age. But it's easy - the people who make fun are the people who never finished high school, have terrible social skills, and have other problems. JHS bullies that never grew up type shit. Now I see why, as this thread gives me an idea that you people are mad racist, but are afraid to admit it.

When I hit a party and meet three Johns and a Kevin, I have a hard time remembering any of their names. But when I meet a Gustav, I'll remember a hell of a lot easier.

Seriously, seeking, that's pretty bad, some of the things you say.

seeking
09-15-2004, 02:56 AM
cry me a river. give your kid a retarded name, be it drakari, or river, and you're setting your kid up to fail.
welcome to america.

Weapon X
09-15-2004, 02:56 AM
oh, and all of you sarahs and johns can laugh all you want about Ms. Paltrow's daughter's name (Apple), but the fact is, it's pretty nice. Names have to be created somewhere - last I checked, there was no 'Amber' in the Apostles.

My daughter's name is going to be very original, and it will have something to do with marijuana. I'm not going to say what it is, because it WILL be stolen, that's how fresh it is. And this is coming from a guy who had kids be bruuutal to him back in the elementary school days for my first and last name. which kids? the white kids. the low class white kids from the white trash area in my neighbourhood. *the white kids who are having a much more difficult time in life than me, that's for sure.

casekonly
09-15-2004, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by Weapon X
oh, and all of you sarahs and johns can laugh all you want about Ms. Paltrow's daughter's name (Apple), but the fact is, it's pretty nice. Names have to be created somewhere - last I checked, there was no 'Amber' in the Apostles.

My daughter's name is going to be very original, and it will have something to do with marijuana. I'm not going to say what it is, because it WILL be stolen, that's how fresh it is. And this is coming from a guy who had kids be bruuutal to him back in the elementary school days for my first and last names. which kids? the white kids. the low class white kids from the white trash area in my neighbourhood.


try kaya. i always thought i might name my first daught4r that.

TheoHuxtab|e
09-15-2004, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Weapon X
Now I see why, as this thread gives me an idea that you people are mad racist, but are afraid to admit it.

:idea: Not all... but you can easily spot the ones that use threads like these to vent their underlying racism.

Weapon X
09-15-2004, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by seeking
cry me a river. give your kid a retarded name, be it drakari, or river, and you're setting your kid up to fail.
welcome to america.

like River Phoenix? If it wasn't for the drug overdose, he would've been a success right now, I think. He was a good looking actor with actual talent. And he was on his way to succeed in a big way, I think. Or checkit - his brother Joaquin...he's doing pretty well.

EyeforAnEYE
09-15-2004, 03:00 AM
so you're going to name your kid after weed? that's pretty stupid

seeking
09-15-2004, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by Weapon X
My daughter's name is going to be very original, and it will have something to do with marijuana.

kiya? been done. naming your daughter after marijuana is just slightly more fucking ignorant than naming your pet after drugs of some sort.

i honestly dont even give a shit about kids picking on eachother. kids will pick one one another for everything and anything. they'll pick on eachother for things that are perfectly normal by anyones standards. kids are retarded. im talking about job opportunities. a kid named 'apple' is going to have a much harder time getting a quality job than a kid named 'elizabeth'. i dont care how 'original' it is, originality doesnt pay the bills.

besides, who the fuck are you to talk about anyone being close minded or ignorant? your the one who claims lesbians all secretly crave dick.

casekonly
09-15-2004, 03:07 AM
weapon x, i don't think seeking is a racist at all....i think he's just trying to be more realistic than others here would be willing to do.

it takes nuts to say what he's saying. respect him for his opinion. even if it does look like he's playing the devils advocate.

i don't agree with him on alot of what he's saying, but i understand it. there's a difference.

casekonly
09-15-2004, 03:08 AM
btw: i thought it was kAya, not kIya.....speaking of the bob marley song...

Weapon X
09-15-2004, 03:08 AM
they do, guy. except the really ugleeeee ones. i thought i explained that!

and no, not kiya, or kaya. Something else. It's a beautiful name.

Also, I think I'd be doing my kid a favour by giving him or her a name like that, rather than Peter, Paul, or Mary. Christianity ain't the end all, be all. My name is from the Sanskrit language, and means Victorious, or something like that. I think that's pretty cool.

And man, for someone who hates on the fact that the Puritans messed up America good, how can you say you like the homogenized version of America, where everyone is named after the 12 Apostles, or the Virgin Mary. Whatever, this is stupid, but of course it's not open minded to think that an original name is stupid.

casekonly
09-15-2004, 03:11 AM
religion plays the same role with names here that it plays in the middle east, btw.

seeking
09-15-2004, 03:13 AM
wait, which part was me being racist, the one where i said naming your kid moon beam or apple was retarded, or the one where i said that our educational system is set up to keep poor people down?
deal with reality, not your hand-out, PC bullshit. i dont give a fuck what color you are, naming your kid after weed, or champagne, or a car, is fucking retarded.

seeks/blow it out your ass

seeking
09-15-2004, 03:18 AM
dude, you guys are totally right, when i have kids, i'm naming them rolex and chardoney. i dont know what i was thinking before.

casekonly
09-15-2004, 03:20 AM
seeking, i'm not saying you're a racist. all i'm saying is that our opinions differ.

btw; for your kids name, i'd stick with darryl jr.

TheoHuxtab|e
09-15-2004, 03:20 AM
There's a reason why there's so much hostility in this thread...

[img]http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/14264/200.jpg'>

You guys ain't gellin'!

duh-rye-won
09-15-2004, 03:23 AM
i'm into the american indian stee. like, i should be Chief Bigcock and my son would be Little Bigcock.

casekonly
09-15-2004, 03:23 AM
i might be gellin' later on, but i'm not telling anyone about it. that kinda shit is embarassing.

Weapon X
09-15-2004, 03:24 AM
naming your kid after something in nature, like Sky, Daisy, Apple, or after a marijuana plant is all good.

Naming your kid after an important figure in history (yes, even if it's Vince, after Vince Lombardi, or a Roman Caesar) is all good.

Naming your kid after a very expensive commercial product that is peddled by the nignogs in their rap videos is maybe not the best idea, but it's not going to be the kid who gets made fun of. It will be the mother, when/if she's at the soccer mom PTA meeting and is wearing gold painted door knockers and fake nails. Whatever, if it's fashionable, than the point is moot, I'd think.

duh-rye-won
09-15-2004, 03:27 AM
kids should name themselves. like frankenstein in that adam sandler movie.

casekonly
09-15-2004, 03:29 AM
that's it! i'm naming my son adolf oliver nipple

High Priest
09-15-2004, 03:29 AM
I sat behind a girl named Tonisha Boone in high school.

TheoHuxtab|e
09-15-2004, 03:43 AM
Believe it or not I knew a white guy in the military named Tyrone. I was shocked. And he's not a wigger or nothing. He acts like a corny stereotypical white dude. Think the "Wow" guy from the Visine commercials. Reminded me of him.

Also knew a black girl in high school named Reyneisha Pimpton.

fermentor666
09-15-2004, 03:46 AM
"I'm going to name my kid Seven"

Nekro
09-15-2004, 03:56 AM
Most popular baby names (http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/)

Pfffffffffft
09-15-2004, 04:04 AM
i could never imagine calling a grown man names like trever, seth, or cody....

parents dont realize that cute little kids grow up to be adults..

such pussy names

porque
09-15-2004, 05:04 AM
..hey seeks...what about actual african-americans?...i have a few friends that are nigerian and ethiopian and have very african names...sadly their names mimic the pretend names from america...yet now they are competeing in the american market for jobs since they have completed school here in the us...would you not hire them?...




...i'm just tryin to play devils advocate...

Dr. Dazzle
09-15-2004, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by S@T@N
I dare you to find a cuter dog anywhere.

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/DanAwesome/stupiddog.jpg'>

I nominate my dog.

TURBOCAPSLOK
09-15-2004, 07:52 AM
I KNOW A KID CALLED JAMES AND HIS SISTERS NAME IS TINTIN.

THEIR SURNAME IS JAMES

YES THATS RIGHT, THE BOYS NAME IS JAMES JAMES :GOLF CLAP: TO THE PARENTS.

willy.wonka
09-15-2004, 08:29 AM
names can be cool if we all went along with 007/ austin power movies..:king:

seeking
09-15-2004, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by porque
..hey seeks...what about actual african-americans?...i have a few friends that are nigerian and ethiopian and have very african names...sadly their names mimic the pretend names from america...yet now they are competeing in the american market for jobs since they have completed school here in the us...would you not hire them?...


dude, i love nigerians and ethiopeans, they rock.
this has really been stretched a bit too far, largely by my own fault, but still. i would be all about hiring someone from africa. seriously, those guys are awesome. i just have issues with the 'shaqwandas' of the world, because i deal with them so often, and have had very few positive experiences. but that all comes back to growing up around detroit and the socio-political climate here. and when i say stuff about people with these names, im not doing so like your average ignorant white american who's using the name as a blanket term for anyone black in america, im just talking about people with retarded names (which very much includes stupid hippie names as well). its the kind of tongue-in-cheek rant that needs to be held in person to really be understood.
i just cant stand ignorant people, sue me.

SilentBob
09-15-2004, 01:23 PM
I'm not black but I'de like to name my kid either
Lionel or Kung Fu

willy.wonka
09-15-2004, 01:23 PM
i've met some FINE ethiopeans/eithiopeans

africans that hate african-americans call them "cottons"

seeking
09-15-2004, 01:29 PM
i just had an argument about ethiopean women the other day. seriously, they're so beautiful, it's silly. african people as a whole are pretty dope. well, except for the ones that look like they might practice voo-doo...im still kind of a little skeptical of those guys, otherwise, my whole shit is like, zimbabwe, hooooooooooooooooooo!

seeks/This is protected By the Red, the Black and the Green

willy.wonka
09-15-2004, 01:39 PM
my homie is this rasta man that finally met his beautiful eithiopean queen, sometime next year, he's going on that great spiritual journey to e'i'thiopia. she rides bike with him everwhere.
man, but when i say i have met some fine ones...i have champange taste

porque
09-15-2004, 04:14 PM
...my friend thinks that no one should be able to refer to themselves as african american unless they know what tribe they are...

MIZZaBcfly
09-15-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by seeking
i just had an argument about ethiopean women the other day. seriously, they're so beautiful, it's silly.

Hey seeking, wanna go get some ice-cream with me sometime? my treat?

;)

seeking
09-15-2004, 06:12 PM
you gonna fly me out there?
and you're gonna have to show me pics first. i'm not flying half way around the world for ice cream with someone i've never seen.
seeking12oz@hotmail.com

Issac Brock
09-15-2004, 07:55 PM
naming your child after drugs or some stupid bullshit like that is just setting them up to make the same dumbass decisions your stoner ass did.

Pfffffffffft
09-15-2004, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by porque
...my friend thinks that no one should be able to refer to themselves as african american unless they know what tribe they are...


damn thats good..im gonna pull that shit the next time one of them starts yappin off at the mouth

MIZZaBcfly
09-16-2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by seeking
you gonna fly me out there?
and you're gonna have to show me pics first. i'm not flying half way around the world for ice cream with someone i've never seen.
seeking12oz@hotmail.com

check your email!

seeking
09-16-2004, 08:22 PM
unless you're trying to sell me a horse cock, i got nothing from you.
try again m'dear.

Pilau Hands
09-17-2004, 12:24 AM
first day of class in african american literature, we tried to define "african american". i don't think we got it. the professor played devil's advocate and it was a pretty fun exercise.

and the only ethiopian women i've ever met have all been gorgeous. somethin in that food.

seeking
09-17-2004, 02:36 AM
ive always found it hillarious that black folks can refer to any white person by their color, and its accepted by absolutely everyone, but some black folks get offended when you say shit like 'black folks'. that shit is dumb. you're black, i'm white, hispanics are mexican, i love emo girls.
end of story.
mizzafly whatever, wheres my god damn picture?

deterrent
01-05-2006, 02:23 AM
Ha I kinda feel this shit right here.

CACashRefund
01-05-2006, 02:26 AM
I do the dummy retarded and ride the AC bus.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2646/retardedsuper1lg.jpg

John Birch
01-05-2006, 03:03 AM
did seeking admit back in 2004 to lovin emo girls?

Overtime
01-05-2006, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by CACashRefund@Jan 4 2006, 09:26 PM
I do the dummy retarded and ride the AC bus.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2646/retardedsuper1lg.jpg
Quoted post



Look at the driver....

dnt.smke.regs
01-05-2006, 03:16 AM
let me just say this. the individuals that actually have to TRY and intergrate into the modern day workforce by disspelling the wonderful sterotypes that have been set in place for us, do have to work harder. in a world where a 60yr old woman can say "are you sure your black, you dont act like it" (as if intellect and education are "reserved") all because some asshat can turn on chappelle, have a good laugh, go out and say what up my nigga, and safely return to his couch with a renewed sense of "brotha-hood". fuck that. ive been called out to my face, but never have i once pulled the race card. and i know damn well its an issue, so im not living in some candy land fantasy. the shit that pisses me off is that it still remains an issue, and its 2006 b! WHERE'S MY DAMN AUTO-LACE DUNKS AND MY BAPESTA HOVERBOARD? :chicken:

Tough Love
01-05-2006, 03:38 AM
there is far too much to touch on
ill just give u this. i have a rather unusual name, and im white. the only thing i find hard is introducing myself to knew ppl because i gotta pronounce my name a million times to them. people have made fun of me for my name, but i usually tell them to fuck off or make fun of them back, which more often then not shuts them up. its very annoying and childish. it still happens now but very seldom, because i guess people are more mature with age. but i tell ya, having aunique name in a country that wasnt urs is hard when ur a kid. i woulda given anything to have a name that fit in more. now adays i dont mind it too much. its still kinda tough when i gotta talk to ppl about jobs tho, cuz i gotta introduce myself and tell em my wierd ass name, but they can go fuckthemselves if they wanna hate.

Dawood
01-05-2006, 03:46 AM
A name is definately a representation of who you are. For sure if you name your daughter "Laqueeta" She's probably going to be stereotyped as a ghetto bird her whole life, no doubt, It's not right , but neither are the circumstances most of us live in. My family and I all have strange names, Dawood, Aisha, Sulayman, Ibrahim, and Ayyub. Those are actually common names in our social circles, but in public people don't even know how to pronounce them.
A name should have meaning , or It should be the name of a respectable person who's characteristics you would like to teach your children. I don;t agree with keeping your name sounding white so they can get a good job when they grow up. I , mean, if youre white be white, If youre black , be black , no problem, just be respectable and upright and it will show. Naming your child Moet or Gucci is not the move though. A lot of people Don't realize that many common "black" names are actually arabic names like Malik, Latifah, Omar, Ali, Muhammad, Tariq, Aisha, etc.

John Birch
01-05-2006, 03:54 AM
^^ you changed your name though? actually you translated it to arabic?

Sparoism
01-05-2006, 04:11 AM
I have a common first name in the short form, but my full first name has the Dutch spelling...so when I to go apply for jobs, I'll get some ignoramuses who'd spell it the English way and I'll have to say, "No, I did NOT spell my name wrong, you did...all these forms have to be changed now," and one guy...my state ID, birth certificate and Social Security card all have my full name on them, and he said, "So should I call you that? I mean, how do you SAY that?"

I grabbed all the forms with my name on them, tore them up, and threw them in the trash, and said, "You know what? Fuck this, and fuck you too. If this is what I can expect from you as an employer, I'll pass." And, I got a different job a week later for more money...and my name never even came up.

He was stunned...oh yeah, he was Chinese, and I'm white.

So "asshole" REALLY is a rainbow word, I found out.

CACashRefund
01-05-2006, 04:19 AM
haha

i had no idea shai, when i we meet you really must tell me your full name and show me 2 valid forms of government id, pllus inform me of some criminal cts youve committed int he past 6 months.




haha

hit me up shaih the weekend is a coming

Sparoism
01-05-2006, 05:19 AM
Is it? I don't know...let's go do the AC Transit dance....where was that?

I'm waiting on my new ID right now. I look old enough so I don't need it to buy boozahol....thank Jehovah God for that. And the full beard.

shaolinmasta
01-05-2006, 05:26 AM
http://shop.siccness.net/images/goldie.jpg

zany

duh-rye-won
01-05-2006, 07:31 AM
my mom worked with a lady who named her kids Lenonjelo and Oranjelo.

because she likes lemon and orange flavor Jell-o.

Sparoism
01-05-2006, 07:42 AM
How about, "Red Drink"?

Tough Love
01-05-2006, 07:55 PM
im going to name my kid "Hey You"

Neskoner
01-05-2006, 08:10 PM
i knew a girl in grade school named tylenol.

FunTimePartyTeam
01-05-2006, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Sparoism@Jan 4 2006, 11:42 PM
How about, "Red Drink"?
Quoted post



Faygo?



And, on a side note, iquit, are you sure it wasnt Orange Jello, and John Lennon Jello?

Jackson
01-05-2006, 08:40 PM
One of the actresses in Gone With The Wind is called Butterfly McQueen.

heel.moeilijk
01-05-2006, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Dawood@Jan 4 2006, 11:46 PM
. For sure if you name your daughter "Laqueeta" She's probably going to be stereotyped as a ghetto bird her whole life, no doubtQuoted post


The problem is, Laqueeta will most likely reflect the stereotype because she's with the rest of the LaQuanda's and Tazarius's in the "Hood" where it's cool to not know anything but the lyrics to the newest TI song and whatever the fuck "Trap or die" means.

I don't think you should name your kids dumb shit. I don't think you should name your kids "Cody", "Trevor", "Seth", either. Let your individuality make you unique, not a 9 letter name that you can't pronounce.

dumy
01-05-2006, 09:23 PM
ha..this thread is ignorant..

we all know a name is just a name...really the main things hindering the poor black kids in the ghetto besides being poor, black and in the ghetto is the racism around these names..having a name like "chiquita" or "jamal" doesn't make you less employable...RACISM makes you less employable..and yes having a name that isn't straight up anglo does make it easier for racists to discriminate against you..STEREOTYPES PEOPLE....geezus..get a fucking grip on whats real..

MOOGLE?
01-05-2006, 10:05 PM
i just realized i dont give a shit about the african american community..and i'm really caring less and less about politics..
but bill cosby o.k by me still..




odd..

ODS-1
01-06-2006, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by seeking@Sep 14 2004, 09:20 AM
lemongelo
Quoted post

:haha: :haha:

SF1
01-06-2006, 04:15 AM
I refuse to read through this whole thread but...
There's white people with stupid names too. They get the same discrimination I'm sure. How many "Rainbow"s or "Dweezle"s are working in skyscrapers? :rolleyes2:

methadone program
01-06-2006, 04:27 AM
my best friends name is adisa....i think thats a rad name.
id like to meet a blackguy named waldo one day.

THANKYOU
01-06-2006, 05:33 AM
ishouldapulledout

goodcredik

dobsilla
01-06-2006, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by methadone program@Jan 6 2006, 04:27 AM
my best friends name is adisa....i think thats a rad name.
id like to meet a blackguy named waldo one day.
Quoted post



my friends dads name is waldo, he has never met him in his life and he lives in baltimore. we used to give my boy shit about it and ask him "wheres waldo" kinda fucked up but we thought it was funny.

SF1
01-06-2006, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by methadone program@Jan 6 2006, 04:27 AM
id like to meet a blackguy named waldo one day.
Quoted post


I don't think you REALY wanna meet a black man named Waldo. That would me one REALY ANGRY black man! :haha:

isor357
01-06-2006, 05:41 AM
my car is shaqueefah. anybody else name their ride

dobsilla
01-06-2006, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by isor357@Jan 6 2006, 05:41 AM
my car is shaqueefah. anybody else name their ride
Quoted post



fuck no!

mr.yuck
01-06-2006, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by THANKYOU@Jan 6 2006, 05:33 AM

goodcredik
Quoted post



Hahaha. Very good.

I know some black people that were built in a laboratory. Im sure of it. I think they were crossbred with the buffalo and the hustle gene was enhanced to max capacity.

Oh and they all have regular names like john and Garry.

Gigantic Jug
01-06-2006, 07:34 AM
you know whats more stupid than giving a nigger a name??? SOMEONE WHO CANT GIVE YOU A FUCKING CALL.

seeking
01-06-2006, 07:41 AM
john birch,
yo, im a sucker for girls with short dark hair and glasses, sorry homie.

black folks can make fun of a 'chet' or a 'lance' or a 'moon shade' or a 'billy bob', but white people can't make fun of a 'lashondaniqua'? fuck that.
stereotypes suck, but more often than not, they're right, regardless of what race they're associated with. wahh.

conspiringone
01-06-2006, 01:19 PM
i agree with seeking on this one; a lot of stereotypes reflect reality...how else would they have become stereotypes?
not that every stereotype is 100% true, but a lot of them have some kind of truth

26SidedCube
01-06-2006, 03:03 PM
Yeah, you guys have some really interesting points and all that happy horseshit, but think about being a black white man in American AND having a name that sounds similar to a section of the large intestine:

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=colin+powell/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12727e9jh/EXP=1136645886/*-http%3A//toons.strana.de/d/jpg/colin_powell_mummy.jpg

KiLL Or DiE
01-06-2006, 07:00 PM
Blanket..

Michael Jackson's kid..He still black...well...Kinda...

the shitz
01-06-2006, 08:01 PM
im gonna name my kid ryu if its a boy or chun-li if its a girl.

IM DEAD SERIOUS

ODS-1
01-07-2006, 12:50 AM
ryu suck.

ego maniac
01-07-2006, 01:07 AM
hahaaaaaaaaa
dudes right about colin....
Me myself...
I hate average, plain, an boring shit.
My kids are getting rad unique names...
Like
remy
an
Lux...

yesyes

mackfatsoe
01-07-2006, 01:10 AM
I'm stealing Remy.

ego maniac
01-07-2006, 01:13 AM
dirtythief

FunTimePartyTeam
01-07-2006, 01:14 AM
http://www.streetfighter-fr.com/images/bio/remy.gif

ego maniac
01-07-2006, 01:16 AM
exactly what I was thinking....
RYU is the worst name ever.. ever

CACashRefund
01-07-2006, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by the A squad@Jan 6 2006, 12:01 PM
im gonna name my kid ryu if its a boy or chun-li if its a girl.

IM DEAD SERIOUS
Quoted post


nerd

SF1
01-07-2006, 04:47 AM
How about Vagina? (Rymes with Ragina.) :biglaugh:

WhiteOx
01-07-2006, 06:17 AM
"Why do so many black people give their kids such stupid names?"

because alot of them are stupid as shit

decu goldyn1
01-07-2006, 08:20 AM
wow.
great thread
Now i know why i avoided it for two years.
Ignorant cunts.

fatalist
01-07-2006, 05:08 PM
because they're fucking awesome and can do that.

dumy
01-07-2006, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by WhiteOx@Jan 7 2006, 01:17 AM
"Why do so many black people give their kids such stupid names?"

because alot of them are stupid as shit
Quoted post


no, wrong answer.

High Toussaint
01-07-2006, 06:39 PM
worst one i ever heard was this black girl name "Lateena" that's just stupid because she's black
certain names tell everyone you're ghettttttoooooooo but the parents are too ghetto to know it (or should i say the mom is) - a vicious cycle!!! white names vary between several naming categories, black names are either plain or ghetto, and hispanic names are just limited and boring for guys (biblical or named after dad) and almost like black female names (ie: Destiny) for girls.

fatalist
01-07-2006, 06:44 PM
^i'll like to hear your name. wait. is it tyler or brandon.
get the fuck out of here.

Tough Love
01-07-2006, 06:56 PM
hahhaha fatalist slaying cats

SeYnO9
01-07-2006, 07:08 PM
yeah thats her

YourSistersAssCookie
01-07-2006, 08:30 PM
names go in 10 year cycles.
I read that black people named there kids weird names because they couldnt spell

decu goldyn1
01-07-2006, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by fatalist@Jan 7 2006, 12:08 PM
because they're fucking awesome and can do that.
Quoted post


oh ho
why yes how'd i forget
...now i've got to get back
to my plate of chicken and other moolie foods,
call up my girls tahquila, aquanetta, britania, and princess.

You know how we do.
Hallah.

DREDZ
01-07-2006, 08:59 PM
...this thread is in serious need of some cultural relativism...

spoi1 system
01-07-2006, 09:02 PM
indeed

seeking
01-07-2006, 09:30 PM
no, it's in serious need of honesty.

1. the thread has an ignorant title, don't be surprised when it has ignorant content as well.
2. if you're name was laquifa, you'd laugh too.
3. while decu was trying to be ironic, there are girls with those names, so unfortunately it does little to back her point.
4. everyone likes chicken.
5. if you're going to tell me you wouldnt make fun of a white girl named starshine, you're fucking lying. even white girls named bridgette make fun of white girls named starshine.
6. we've accepted that we can't dance, and that (until recently) we had no asses, ya'll need to come to terms with the fact that some of you are naming babies after luxury items and amalgamations of two seperate names to disasterous results.
7. we know not all black people give their kids stupid names, just like you don't mean 'all' of us are racist.
8. it's the internet, who cares?
9. i'm bored of this now.

RumPuncher
01-07-2006, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by seeking@Jan 7 2006, 05:30 PM
6. we've accepted that we can't dance...


I can dance, but I've got some black ancestors, and lots of french ones.

seeking
01-07-2006, 09:48 PM
i'd totally forgotten how much i posted in this thread when it started, so i'd like to ammend my first point. it's become fairly ignorant, and it had an extremely ignorant title, but as a whole, i think i made me some pretty intelligent points that i'd be more than happy to defend, if anyone feels that they have something to add.

isor357
01-07-2006, 09:54 PM
laquifa died on me in the wrong neighborhood the other night. distributer igniter. the fuck what.

Dawood
01-07-2006, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by seeking@Jan 6 2006, 07:41 AM
john birch,
yo, im a sucker for girls with short dark hair and glasses, sorry homie.

black folks can make fun of a 'chet' or a 'lance' or a 'moon shade' or a 'billy bob', but white people can't make fun of a 'lashondaniqua'? fuck that.
stereotypes suck, but more often than not, they're right, regardless of what race they're associated with. wahh.
Quoted post


why can't white folks make fun of lashondaniqua? they absolutely can. I'm white skind-ded and I make fun of black skinded-people all the time. Seriously, 2 reasons why black folks would be mad ad white folks making fun of them is that
A.) they are still all caught up in the racist issue. or
B.) youre a damn racist and they know it , so your jokes aint funny, cracker!

like that.
cuz I can crack on black folks (if they know me) cuz they know me , but don't let Billy Thornton try to pop that yang (cuz they know him too) and he's a nigger hatin M/F as soon as he's out of Tyrone's earshot. you smell me?

YourSistersAssCookie
01-07-2006, 10:34 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
lol

ODS-1
01-07-2006, 11:01 PM
Bunifa Latifa Sharifa Jackson.

DREDZ
01-07-2006, 11:02 PM
no doubt seeking, all you said is real...there's nothing wrong with laughing at someone whom you think has a silly name...eveyone and their moms does it...that's humanity's judgemental nature...

but, in the grand scheme of things, for the people who seem to really be boggled by the trend of black folks giving their kids all sorts of names beginning and ending with "la's" and "iquas" and "isha", perhaps i can shed a pinhole amount of light on the matter ...it could easily be understood if people would take a second to look at it with a little less ethnocentricity and a little more cultural relativism ( which is real honesty...on the actual factual tip)...in my opinion, that's where the truth lies
...and the truth is, it's all, basically, an attempt by many black americans, mainly, impoverished black americans (not to be equated with "ghetto"), to carve out an appropriated cultural niche in american society...these folks want their kids to have unique and "pretty sounding" names, but they aren't familiar with anything outside of their everyday environment or element, so kats make shit up, or add a prefix or suffix to an already existing popular/common name, or just combine the names of two people in the family...it just seems to be more about cultural identity and some sort of cultural solidarity... and not stupidity or being "ghetto"... what does it mean to be a black/african american...what is a black/african american name...and blah blah blah


fuck it...i'm starting to have bogus flashbacks to sociology class
...like seeking stated...it's the internet, who cares

"...chlorophyll, more like borophyll..."
...i hate trying to make a point on the internet


p.s...avoid contact with broads named Alize pronounced (Al-li-zay), or any other female named after some liquor, for that matter

seeking
01-07-2006, 11:41 PM
i understand where it comes from, and i appreciate the sentiment, my 'concern' is that it's basically branding the child for life, giving it an easily avoidably handicap, simply because the parent, and the parents parents, and the parents social circle, etc etc, lacked an ability to understand the ramification of what they're doing.

when i said 'its the internet, who cares' i simply meant that there will always be people who say dumb shit just to be an asshole, so getting upset or even aknowledging that they spoke is a waste of time. having an intelligent discussion about a controversial topic from your couch, while in your underwear is sweet.

DREDZ
01-08-2006, 12:32 AM
fo' sho' fo' sho'

decu goldyn1
01-08-2006, 01:21 AM
Oh I know girls that own those names...
half truths...
and I don't like chicken.


Good job Dredz & Seek on the explanation.
I just saw a lot of unfunny shit in here that had little or
nothing to do with the title.
But isn't that how it goes on the oz.
blah blah blah blah.

MESTHREE
01-08-2006, 03:55 AM
.. wait a second.. white people have asses ??!!??

dobsilla
01-08-2006, 04:02 AM
at least they wont have to change their names when they become strippers!

dont be fooled i am no racist asshole but if there is a thread about being ignorant i can jump on the train.

SF1
01-08-2006, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by MESTHREE@Jan 8 2006, 03:55 AM
.. wait a second.. white people have asses ??!!??
Quoted post


I don't know about where you live but yes. In the past 5 or so years all of a sudden white girls have asses. It's weird.

dobsilla
01-08-2006, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by SF1+Jan 8 2006, 04:10 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SF1 - Jan 8 2006, 04:10 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MESTHREE@Jan 8 2006, 03:55 AM
.. wait a second.. white people have asses ??!!??
Quoted post


I don't know about where you live but yes. In the past 5 or so years all of a sudden white girls have asses. It's weird.
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

it happened about the time that 13 year old started looking 20

MESTHREE
01-08-2006, 04:28 AM
oh for real? haha.

shameless self promotion
01-08-2006, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by dobsilla+Jan 7 2006, 11:12 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dobsilla - Jan 7 2006, 11:12 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by SF1@Jan 8 2006, 04:10 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-MESTHREE@Jan 8 2006, 03:55 AM
.. wait a second.. white people have asses ??!!??
Quoted post


I don't know about where you live but yes. In the past 5 or so years all of a sudden white girls have asses. It's weird.
Quoted post


it happened about the time that 13 year old started looking 20:
http://eil.com/newGallery/Hanson-MmmbopPicture-Cd-132492.jpg
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

Sssssssssshhhhhhh.

He still doesnt know.

:haha:

MIZZaBcfly
01-08-2006, 05:54 PM
apart from the witty banter i had with those two feens on page 2 this rope gives me chest pains :(

RumPuncher
01-08-2006, 06:24 PM
dont knock the name Lance.

haha... Lance Mountain is a kind of funny name.

Fondles
01-08-2006, 07:47 PM
I think DREDZ explained it pretty well, although i just skimmed what he said. It's a deep psychological expression of individualism and to create their own culture aside from the white mans. They didn't get to have names when they were first brought over here, think about that for a good minute, let it sink in. It's one small thing they can do to make themselves that much more different than white people, or even the rest of the world. They don't give a fuck how "stupid" some of the more ignorant people of the world think it is. In fact, you can ask a black girl with a "funny" name, and I can guarantee that 99/100 would say they love their name and fuck you in the ass for asking. On the flip side, it is damaging to your childrens prospective future by giving your child a name that white society (business/political society, to be precise) isn't comfortable with.

And yeah, it's just the internet who cares. The problem with this is that the people that say the ignorant shit on the computer, and not the ironic/funny or saying it for the fuck of saying it people, really believe the bullshit they say in real life. So it really isn't "just the internet".

RumPuncher
01-08-2006, 08:28 PM
^ Seldoon's comments.

I agree.. but not with the overall idea. Let me explain...

I agree with a culture that doesn't care what outsiders think,
but it's a disservice to children to keep them out of the 'game'
by giving them a name that immediately denotes exclusion.
too wordy.... let me rephrase,
My ukranian buddy has as stupid long last name. Yasyaszczuck.
That's the short version. Now everyone just says 'yasack'. He's going to change to fit.

Everyone has to change a little bit to fit with what's around them.
If you force kids to be outsiders, they'll only resent their parents at the end of it.

Pfffffffffft
03-09-2007, 08:46 PM
bump