Kerry Bush Debate Round 2: Townhall Style

[Nekro]

Get ready to rock, the debates start at 9:00 tonight.

I'm expecting Bush to expend a lot of energy keeping his face straight.

[heavyLox]

hev predicts heavy will be in epileptic convulsions by 9:06.

[ClueTwo]

This should be a great debate, but unfortunately we will not be able to drop the Duelfer report bomb..

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by ClueTwo@Oct 8 2004, 01:38 PM
This should be a great debate, but unfortunately we will not be able to drop the Duelfer report bomb..
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Why? I'm sure Kerry will repeatedly refer to it. Or do you mean that he won't be able to "drop it" in the sense that he'll be introducing it to the country... ?

[ClueTwo]

Yeah, more or less that he won't be able to release it. I guess that's not his job so to speak, but it would have been wonderful to watch it live on national television..

I've been sitting here arguing for the last 20 minutes about who would be better in office. I almost walked out of work a minute ago and finally I got a small point across.

My boss(woman, 4 kids, etc.) was fighting me about the reasons we were at war and said, "The American people should not know all information the government knows." That was her justifcation for Bush going to war for the moment. I'm so sick of dealing with these FUCKING people. I'm so fucking sick of working with these people.

I explained that if her son were in Iraq and died, I think she would want to know why. Nuff said.

Lesson: Leave politics and religon outside of work/friends......

[porque]

...yeah...i'm pretty amped about this tonight...although i'm proably not going to get to watch it live...i'll have to catch a re-broadcast later on...

[Nekro]

Originally posted by porque@Oct 8 2004, 04:04 PM
...yeah...i'm pretty amped about this tonight...although i'm proably not going to get to watch it live...i'll have to catch a re-broadcast later on...
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You can probably catch it online, check CNN or CSPAN's websites.

[Nekro]

Uhm, bush is a bitch. "i don't see how you can lead the country if you change your mind" Nigga please.

[Poop Man Bob]

Bush is fucking laughing. Is it funny? What's so funny?

I hope he keeps it up so the Unpresidential Bush Meme continues.

[Weapon X]

HE COULDN'T EVEN PRONOUNCE 'BERLUSCONI'. SO HE SAYS "SYLVIO BERS.S..."

Kerry is pulling his punches.

[Nekro]

Kerry's answer about the lack of WMD was fucking perfect, I applauded.

Also, bush has started to take notes instead of looking retarded nonstop.

[Nekro]

Bush is blinking his ass off, shit's ridiculous.

[Nekro]

Kerry is seriously owning shit right now, It's ridiculous.

[Nekro]

chirp chirp... noone else is posting up in here.

[the_gooch]

"internets"

hahahah

[ElectricitySucks]

"there is going to be no draft. there is not going to be a draft. i heard this on the internets."


-bush.



WHEWWWWWW...

[Ski Mask]

I gotta pick me up one of them "internets" at the store. they sound intresting.

[effyoo]

"there's rumors on the internets....."

[ElectricitySucks]

no draft 3x.



im happy.

[the_gooch]

temper temper bushy

[ElectricitySucks]

WOW bush is being a fucking douche.

interrupting...

[Ski Mask]

shit kerry, you really pissed him off. he's all fired up now.

[Poop Man Bob]

AHAHAHAHAHHA

He looks so bad arguing with Charles Gibson!!! FUCK YES!

Unpresidential x 100.

[ElectricitySucks]

kerry keepin his cool..

[Poop Man Bob]

I love the intelligence line - two meanings, anyone??

[ElectricitySucks]

one thing im unsure of is kerry saying hes adding 40,000...

[the_gooch]

yeah, how much of that $$$$ from HLS does NY get??? NY gets shit and we took the fuckin hit.

[Poop Man Bob]

I like being able to see who's viewing the thread. New 12oz rulez.

[the_gooch]

guys there is gonna be a draft 1 way or another.

[Poop Man Bob]

The prescription drugs might be from a third world.

Like Mars or Jupiter.

[Ski Mask]

he's right you know. every 30th pill is cyanide. we like to keep you on your toes.

[ElectricitySucks]

i hate when bush says "dudhnt"

[effyoo]

ok, i knew Bush was an idiot, but that comment about drugs from Canada being unsafe just topped it off. I actually yelled at the tv.
Our drugs are cheaper and made by the same goddamn companies. Fuckface.


*hahaha ese :lol:

[the_gooch]

kerry is kickin the balistics G!!!

[Poop Man Bob]

Bush is interrupting like a fucking madman. Jesus!

[Nekro]

This fast reply feature kicks ass for these things, much like John Kerry is kicking ass on almost every issue.

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by ese@Oct 8 2004, 07:39 PM
he's right you know. every 30th pill is cyanide. we like to keep you on your toes.

HAHAHAHA!

[Nekro]

They're flexing the powerfist like crazy though, it's intense.

Bush was super pissed about the draft question.

[ElectricitySucks]

wow. kerry really is nailing his shit into peoples minds.

but then bush comes around all perspacidic.

god..

[Poop Man Bob]

That fucking most-liberal shit was blown out of the water about 3 months ago. I can't fucking believe he still brings out those tired ass lies.

Check this: http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh072904.shtml

[Poop Man Bob]

People are going to talk about how much Bush is interrupting and how he seems so unpresidential.

[Ski Mask]

OK, so the running list of bush boogymen:
1. Lawyers
2. Liberals
3. Canadian Pharmacists

am I missing anything?

[ElectricitySucks]

"and im going to spend what it takes to win this war."



....HOLY SHIT.

....brings me back to kerry's response of that it is not money that wins the war, but intelligence. so true. obviously, money is going to be spent, but stop fucking basing everything on money..

[Nekro]

Bush seems to have changed from scowling and silent to screaming and hoarse.

This debate is pretty crazily aggressive.

[Nekro]

If anything, Kerry is winning here. Bush looks like a total retard when the camera zooms in on him.

[Ski Mask]

holy shit, he called him out. way to moderate!

[ElectricitySucks]

ENRON!!!!!

DUN DUN DUN..DUNNNNN

[ElectricitySucks]

YES RIGHT AT THE CAMERA YES

[Nekro]

Originally posted by ese@Oct 8 2004, 08:53 PM
holy shit, he called him out. way to moderate!
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Hells yes, rocking shit!

I can't believe George W Bush is talking about how John Kerry isn't a fiscal conservative. That shit is fucking ridiculous.

[Nekro]

Nigga please. We did it. I was there.

ka-POW!

[ElectricitySucks]

this is halirous.

[ElectricitySucks]

it should be on comedy central.

[Ski Mask]

a good steward of the land? is he fucking kidding me?

[ElectricitySucks]

"the quality of the air is cleaner since i've been the president."


-bush.

[ElectricitySucks]

Originally posted by ElectricitySucks@Oct 9 2004, 02:02 AM
"the quality of the air is cleaner since i've been the president."


-bush.
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2x.

[Nekro]

I'm pumped for Bill Maher tonight, shit's going to be the hotness.

[ElectricitySucks]

"you want some wood?"

-bush.

[Nekro]

Homeslizza won't admit any mistakes. God damn.

[Nekro]

What the fuck, it seems to me that the biggest threat to america is terrorists with fucking X-cacto knives. Are we going to bust out the pen knife control?

[Poop Man Bob]

Go Kerry.

[Weapon X]

that Canada comment was funny.

And how come no one mentions how Kerry ripped on Bush for the environmental thing? Out of ALL the threads that have come up in recent times about Bush, none of you Americans ever mention his poor environmental record, save for Villain.

Bush was like, "I signed a bill to increase the wetlands by three million." Three million what? square inches?

[rental]

Originally posted by Weapon X@Oct 8 2004, 06:56 PM
that Canada comment was funny.

And how come no one mentions how Kerry ripped on Bush for the environmental thing? Out of ALL the threads that have come up in recent times about Bush, none of you Americans ever mention his poor environmental record, save for Villain.

Bush was like, "I signed a bill to increase the wetlands by three million." Three million what? square inches?
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word. i agree with everything you said. and i was alos especially wondering 3mill fucking what?

[fermentor666]

Fresh from CNN.com, 11:00 PM EST


George W. Bush


9%

2040 votes
John Kerry


90%

19439 votes
Evenly matched


1%

131 votes

[rental]

Originally posted by fermentor666@Oct 8 2004, 07:13 PM
Fresh from CNN.com, 11:00 PM EST


George W. Bush


9%

2040 votes
John Kerry


90%

19439 votes
Evenly matched


1%

131 votes
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man, i was trying to view tha shit. all mine would say is o percent for all of them. what other sites are there to vote on?

[Dick Quickwood]

Bush said the government should not provide healthcare, that says it all. seeing him try hard not to make faces was funny at least. people will not place significance on him talking out of turn.

[Nekro]

basically bush screamed and kerry looked presidential.

hot post from atrios:

Dred Scott

There are mistakes which happen in live formats, and mistakes which are pre-fabbed, deliberate, and therefore you're held accountable for. Mistakes involving the issue of slavery are particularly offensive, no matter what the mistake.
Bush said:


Another example would be the Dred Scott case, which is where judges years ago said that the constitution allowed slavery because of personal property rights.



Dred Scott wasn't based on property rights. It was based on racism.


The decision of the court was read in March of 1857. Chief Justice Roger B. Taney -- a staunch supporter of slavery -- wrote the "majority opinion" for the court. It stated that because Scott was black, he was not a citizen and therefore had no right to sue. The decision also declared the Missouri Compromise of 1820, legislation which restricted slavery in certain territories, unconstitutional.

[fermentor666]

I don't know about all of you, but I'm missing the Daily Show coverage, they should have a special show tonight instead of stand-up. That debate was too much spin for me to take without a little humor.

Bush is a lying sack of shit.

[Nekro]

what do you mean the debates don't matter? the president was ahead, then the debates happened and people realized he's a retard! - bill maher

[fermentor666]

Originally posted by rental@Oct 9 2004, 03:15 AM

man, i was trying to view tha shit. all mine would say is o percent for all of them. what other sites are there to vote on?
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/

http://www.time.com/

http://www.usatoday.com/

Should all have polls.

[ClueTwo]

Hands down..Kerry took the whole debate. I'm so glad that he pointed out the fine print in most of the bills that he did not pass. Proving once again that Bush is only in it for the MONEY.

It's a good day in Kerry Land..

[fermentor666]

MSNBC at 11:25 PM:

Who won the debate? * 448816 responses
Pres. Bush 26% Sen. Kerry 74%


and the real kicker is at Fox News:

a. President Bush
(30%)
19,553

b. Senator Kerry
(70%)
45,634

c. I did not watch
(0%)
204

d. None of the above
(0%)
138

65,529 total votes

[fermentor666]

Of course, we all know Fox News will "fix" their poll numbers in the morning. All the conservatives must be out herding cattle and lying to themselves.


Anyone else think that Bush resembles the leadership stylings of Bill Lumberg, the boss from Office Space?

[Dick Quickwood]

*Kerry explained his position on abortion well

[Poop Man Bob]

Remember when Bush flipped out on Charlie Gibson? As Billmon said - and they portrayed Dean as a maniac??

Watch the Bush clip here. (http://www.oliverwillis.com/node/view/956)

[fermentor666]

CNN.com online poll update, 1:30 EST (MY LIFE???)

President Bush


20%

61525 votes
John Kerry


78%

236047 votes
Evenly matched


2%

6559 votes


The hits just keep on coming.


"A CNN/USA Today/Gallup snap poll taken immediately after the presidential debate Friday night found that respondents gave a slight, statistically insignificant edge to Sen. John Kerry over President Bush, 47 percent to 45 percent.

The respondents included 515 registered voters who watched the debate. Their political affiliations broke down as 38 percent Republican, 32 percent Democratic and 30 percent independent."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/09/...poll/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/09/snap.poll/index.html)

[EgoManiakal]

me and a few of my friends decided to go to a large resteraunt/sports bar and eat dinner while watching it there. Unfortunetly Every single TV was on baseball- and 2 TVs were set to womens basketball. We pleeded with the waitress and the manager and finally after like 20 minutes they decided it was ok to change the NWBA to the debate in subtitles. the subtitles were moving fast and i was eating at the same time- when this lady with an 80s hairstyle had to sit right infront of the bar and block all of us- then later an old guy sat next to her, and then the bartender attempted to do bartending tricks right in front of the tv! I had the brilliant idea to go to the bathroom where they got a tv- change the station in there and have sound. all 3 of us stood in the bathroom and watched it in comfert and everytime somebody walked in they had to say some stupid comment or fake vaige interest like they forgot it was on.

We were the ONLY ones out of the very large Duffy's sports bar to request the debate. were talking out of like 300+ people

[dosoner]

i have to give this round to kerry for sure. bush is still bringing out the same old shit hes been talking about for months.


although im not sure kerry is going to get my vote, bush will under no circumstance get it.

[Nekro]

Originally posted by EgoManiakal@Oct 9 2004, 02:08 AM
me and a few of my friends decided to go to a large resteraunt/sports bar and eat dinner while watching it there. Unfortunetly Every single TV was on baseball- and 2 TVs were set to womens basketball. We pleeded with the waitress and the manager and finally after like 20 minutes they decided it was ok to change the NWBA to the debate in subtitles. the subtitles were moving fast and i was eating at the same time- when this lady with an 80s hairstyle had to sit right infront of the bar and block all of us- then later an old guy sat next to her, and then the bartender attempted to do bartending tricks right in front of the tv! I had the brilliant idea to go to the bathroom where they got a tv- change the station in there and have sound. all 3 of us stood in the bathroom and watched it in comfert and everytime somebody walked in they had to say some stupid comment or fake vaige interest like they forgot it was on.

We were the ONLY ones out of the very large Duffy's sports bar to request the debate. were talking out of like 300+ people
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Dood, it was a sports bar. Going to the sports bar to watch a presidential debate is like going to iraq to fight terrorism.

[Poop Man Bob]

^^^
Oh snap!!!

[Nekro]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob@Oct 9 2004, 08:50 AM
^^^
Oh snap!!!
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http://www.fantasy3d.com/blogs/images/wringer.jpg

[AORAone]

kerry totally took it. bush was out of line the whole time almost. my roomie kept laughing because "bush was dogging kerry" everytime he started to talk he would put him down, or say some lame joke. this isnt funny bush, this is some serious shit, and all he can do is act retarded. i heard him say "man" at the end of one of his sentences, but i cant remember what it was, heres an example of what i mean. "this sucks man" or " that was awsome man" sounds totally stoner or under somekind of influence. i dont think he presented himself in the proper way at all. the next speech, i think, is in arizona. maybe i could attened. bush is a prick.

[ClueTwo]

YEEEAAAAHHHH...WHAAAAAATTT??..YEAAAAAAAAHHHH..


I went to a pre-opening party/concert last night in downtown and while I was jamming away I looked up to see this:

http://jesuswbush.com/bllbd%20copy.jpg
Picture is fromt he website, not the same location but identical billboard.

FUCKIN COMEDY FOLKS...I love it.

Oh yeah..Link: www.jesuswbush.com (JESUS W. BUSH . COM)

[ClueTwo]

Fantom, did you catch where he called the evil doers, "haters"..I was luaghing internally at that one.

[ElectricitySucks]

oh and about the wood thing, kerry was right. bush actaully does have ties to a lumber company.

[war pigs]

i think this fact check is interesting..since bush kept saying kerry voted for raising taxes 98 times...they both made some exaggerated points but all in all i think kerry sonned bush...

CNN Political Unit debate fact check
Bush-Kerry and the truth

From the CNN Political Unit
Saturday, October 9, 2004 Posted: 3:09 AM EDT (0709 GMT)

Editor's Note: These fact checks were researched by the CNN Political Unit, following remarks made by the candidates -- President George W. Bush and Sen. John Kerry -- during their presidential debate on October 8, 2004.


(CNN) -- Claim: Bush said Kerry cut the intelligence budget by $7.5 billion in the 1990s.

CNN Fact Check: It is true that Kerry proposed or supported cutting several billion dollars from the intelligence budget in the 1990s, however this amounted to a small fraction of the overall intelligence budget, and some of the proposed cuts were in reaction to the discovery of a $1 billion fund that a government intelligence agency had secretly -- and illegally -- accumulated without informing Congress.

In 1995, Kerry did propose to cut the intelligence budget by $300 million a year ($1.5 billion over five years), or roughly 1% out of the estimated $29 billion annual intelligence budget. In Senate testimony, then-CIA director George Tenet was asked if a $300 million annual cut would "gut" his agency, and Tenet said no, that it would not "gut" the agency, although it wouldn't be helpful.

Kerry also proposed cutting $1 billion annually from intelligence budgets from 1994-1998. Also in 1995, Congress learned that a U.S. intelligence agency, the National Reconnaissance Office, had secretly accumulated about $1 billion in funds. Kerry, as well as Republicans Arlen Specter and Richard Shelby, proposed cutting the intelligence budget for that year by about $1 billion, to recoup this unspent NRO funds.

Claim: Bush suggested Kerry would allow other countries to veto U.S. troop deployments.

CNN Fact Check: Although Kerry did refer to a "global test" regarding troop deployments in the first debate, Bush neglects to mention that Kerry also said the following at that debate on the topic of a preemptive war by the U.S.: "No president ... has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America."

Bush also comes close to suggesting that Kerry would allow the United Nations to determine U.S. troop deployment. Although as a young congressional candidate in 1970, Kerry told the Harvard Crimson that he would "like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations," he has since revised his position, saying at his convention speech this summer: "I will never give any nation or any institution a veto over our national security."

As for what Kerry meant by a "global test," he described it as a test "where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons."

Claim: Kerry said the United States has spent $200 billion on the Iraq war.

CNN Fact Check: Kerry once again overstates the cost of the Iraq war when he says that the U.S. has already spent $200 billion on the war effort. In fact, the Office of Management and Budget estimated that the war in Iraq had cost about $120 billion through September 30, the end of fiscal year 2004.

Kerry's $200 billion figure includes money for the new fiscal year (which started October 1) but technically these funds have not yet been spent. Kerry's figure also includes some funds earmarked for both Iraq and Afghanistan. The Kerry campaign clarifies its claim in press releases saying that the Iraq war will cost $200 billion through September 2005, but Kerry frequently neglects to make this distinction when addressing audiences.

Claim: President Bush said Sen. John Kerry voted for higher taxes 98 times.

CNN Fact Check: The Bush-Cheney '04 campaign has identified 98 specific votes where Kerry supported raising taxes, including tax hikes on specific products like tobacco, alcohol, and diesel fuel. However the number is somewhat inflated because it includes all votes on a given piece of legislation, including procedural votes and votes to end debate.

Claim: Bush said the National Journal ranked Kerry as "The Most Liberal Senator."

CNN Fact Check: The National Journal's February 2004 rankings did list Kerry as the most liberal member of the Senate in 2003, but the result was based only on his votes in the year 2003, and may have been artificially inflated by Kerry's unusually high absentee rate last year.

The National Journal based its ratings on 62 key Senate votes cast in 2003 in three issue areas: economic policy, social policy, and foreign policy. Kerry's rating was based only on the 20 votes he cast in the economic policy area. His votes in social and foreign policy were not counted because he missed more than half of the votes in those categories.

In short, Kerry's rating was based on only 20 of 62 votes. Had he missed four more economic votes, Kerry would not have been included in the National Journal ratings at all. Also, Kerry's lifetime liberal rating is 85.7 out of 100, making him the Senate's 11th most liberal senator, not the first.

Claim: Bush said that 75 percent of known al Qaeda members have been brought to justice.

CNN Fact Check: Bush incorrectly suggests that under his watch 75 percent of al Qaeda's membership has been brought to justice. CIA officials have estimated that 75 percent of the two-dozen or so known al Qaeda leaders, as of September 11, 2001, have been killed or captured.

The non-partisan International Institute for Strategic Studies estimates that al Qaeda has 18,000 potential operatives, but there is no official data on the size of al Qaeda's total membership, in part because it is difficult to track the number of new recruits since the Iraq war began.

Claim: Kerry said that former Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki was forced out for comments on Iraq troop levels.

CNN Fact Check: Kerry implies that Shinseki was forced to retire as a result of his comments about troop levels in Iraq, which is inaccurate. Shinseki served a full four-year term as Army chief of staff, and did not retire early. Since World War II, no Army chief of staff has served longer than four years.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld decided in April 2002 on who he would tap to succeed Shinseki, according to a Pentagon official, long before Shinseki's troop level comments in 2003. So by the time Shinseki made his comments on troop levels, it was already known that he would not remain in his post beyond his full four-year term. The Bush administration may not have been fond of Shinseki, who was appointed to his post by President Clinton, but it is inaccurate to say that he was forced to retire because of his comments on troop levels in Iraq.

Claim: Kerry said that Bush has presided over an economy which lost 1.6 million jobs and that he is the first president in 72 years to lose jobs.

CNN Fact Check: Kerry is correct in saying that Bush is on track to become the first president in 72 years (since Herbert Hoover) to oversee a net loss in jobs. However, Kerry said 1.6 million jobs have been lost under Bush's watch, but this actually refers to just private sector jobs. The overall loss over jobs since January 2001 is 821,000, according to numbers released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

[KRON KING]

^^^too much to read. :huh2:

[fermentor666]

Bush closes the online gap on the scientifically innaccurate CNN online poll:

Who won the second presidential debate?

President Bush 44% 393667 votes

John Kerry 53% 472710 votes

Evenly matched 2% 20352 votes


Total: 886729 votes

[KRON KING]

Originally posted by fermentor666@Oct 9 2004, 10:31 AM
Bush closes the online gap on the scientifically innaccurate CNN online poll:

Who won the second presidential debate?

President Bush 44% 393667 votes

John Kerry 53% 472710 votes

Evenly matched 2% 20352 votes


Total: 886729 votes
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interesting facts

[ODS-1]

Did anyone see where Bush was like "I own a lumber company? That's news to me!". Then he stood there not knowing what to say, and Kerry laughed at him.

[ClueTwo]

Whoa..I didn't think he could pull off the come back from the landslide victory Kerry had going...

[fermentor666]

Bush overtakes Kerry on Fox's scientifically inaccurate poll:

a. President Bush (54%) 264,140

b. Senator Kerry (45%) 220,615

c. I did not watch (1%) 5,193

d. None of the above (0%) 1,790

491,738 total votes



Must be that all the conservatives just went to bed after the debate. Must be tiring to be so ignorant.

[fermentor666]

http://www.mydd.com/files/admin/bushwood.jpg

[heavyLox]

http://www.electoral-vote2.com/images/bulge.jpg

the wire wearers

[ClueTwo]

Someone pulled his card with that back shot..

[porque]

...i seriously doubt that bush was wearing a wire...as i heard someone on npr report, "if he was, i'm sure someone would have told him to stop making stupid faces."...

[rental]

Originally posted by porque@Oct 9 2004, 05:23 PM
...i seriously doubt that bush was wearing a wire...as i heard someone on npr report, "if he was, i'm sure someone would have told him to stop making stupid faces."...
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whatever. you could hear him listening to what they were telling him to say. and i think anytime theyre on tv, theyre probably wearing a wire.

[KRON KING]

thought it was kerry wearing the wire

[OcToBeR]

i was waiting for Bush to throw down his mic and say "iQUIT"
cause he was getting mad burned