Price points on high-end denim?!

[Misteraven]

Anyone else into high-end denim (japanese and domestic selvedge). Personally I'd down to throw down a grip on nice denim, but the prices Rogan and PRPS is asking these days seems like a stretch. Seems like last year, they broke past the $200 barrier by going from $180 to $220. Today I was checking out Union NYC and now Rogans are all at $240 - $290 and the same exact denim PRPS was pushing last season for $240 is now $290. Granted PRPS is doing some nice stuff despit me still not being a fan of the short wide cut, but that seems awfully high even for a niche brand doing japanese selvedge. Granted I've dropped $450 for a pair of 45rpm's that were too sick to pass on, I don't think I'm willing to pay those kids of prices for domestic brands even if the denim is imported, or especially for domestic denim.

Any one else into premium denim kinda turned off by this?

On a similar note, what's up with all the companies also asking $50 - $65 for simple t-shirts?!

[skem]

evisu jeans cost around 300 a pair. ive never paid over 60 for a pair of pants.

the 50 dollar t shirts your referring to im guessing is supreme. right?

[Nekro]

God damn, an item has to be damn near perfect for me to drop more than $50 on it.

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by skem@Oct 9 2004, 06:58 PM
evisu jeans cost around 300 a pair. ive never paid over 60 for a pair of pants.

the 50 dollar t shirts your referring to im guessing is supreme. right?
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no, Supreme t-shirts are $24 when you get them at the store. I was referring to Rpgan and PRPS.

[sarcasm]

it's nice to have a nice pair of jeans, despite the cost to get them....
i mean if you get some jeans from the GAP, they'll ruin within 5 washes..
so in my opinion, anywhere from $87 - $150 is fine by me. to me, it just
seems like its worth it in the long run. people who say jeans are jeans,
and they're all the same ( even if it were from Target or somewhere
expensive), just don't realize quality of clothing, and you are really "paying
for what you get."






did that make sense?

[skem]

Originally posted by Misteraven+Oct 9 2004, 07:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Misteraven - Oct 9 2004, 07:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-skem@Oct 9 2004, 06:58 PM
evisu jeans cost around 300 a pair. ive never paid over 60 for a pair of pants.

the 50 dollar t shirts your referring to im guessing is supreme. right?
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no, Supreme t-shirts are $24 when you get them at the store. I was referring to Rpgan and PRPS.
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oh yeah, but anywhere besides the store they are 50 +. and the store rarely has them in stock.

[Misteraven]

I live close to the store and know a few people, so I've never had to go the mark up route on the Supreme gear.

As far as I'm concerned if there's anything worth dropping loot on, its denim. Shit lasts years if you take good care of it. And good denim actually gets better with age. I usually get 2 - 3 pairs a year, maybe more if I get a good deal. If you happen to be in or around NYC, go check out the 45rpm store in Soho. Their denim is a work of art.

[Nekro]

By all means buy quality shit and pay for it, but a pair of Levi's 501s lasts forever and costs forty bucks, I can't justify spending $200 on something like that.

[slum]

Living in Nyc it's hard not to become a fashion victim to all that wacky Japanese "street" culture jive. i admire Rogan, Prps, etc... but I could never justify paying. Racking if i never intended on setting foot in downtown again. I tried a Rogan parka today that was $795 dollars!!! That's more than my rent. Denim is utilitarian work clothing; and I'm happy enough rocking APC or LEvis rigids.

On one hand i think the average graffiti kid is an individual with an eye for detail and beauty. On the other hand I still idealistically believe that I am motivated to bomb as a reaction to the commercialization of youth culture. It seems like the graff kids in NYC are more concerned with fleecing japanese tourists thanpainting nowadays.

Incoherent and full of holes i admit. I'm pushing 30 i might add. :chicken:

[JerryCurl]

This is something I know almost nothing about. But I'd like to learn more. Post some pictures and clue me in.

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by Nekro@Oct 9 2004, 09:08 PM
By all means buy quality shit and pay for it, but a pair of Levi's 501s lasts forever and costs forty bucks, I can't justify spending $200 on something like that.
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Obviously Levi's is a classic you can't knock, but if you see the way a pair of Japanese selvedge that have been hand died using natural indigo pigment wear over time, it's hard not to fall in love with them. Granted Levi's get a personality of their own after rocking them for a few years, naturally died selvedge have personality right from the start (without all the need for the artificially created whisking and treatments). Anyhow, to each their own I guess...

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by JerryCurl@Oct 9 2004, 11:07 PM
This is something I know almost nothing about. But I'd like to learn more. Post some pictures and clue me in.
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This is kinda hard since most these brands are small and exclusive, thus avoiding a heavy presence, especially online. Regardless, you can check out the 45rpm website here... http://www.45rpm.jp/denim/index.jsp

[slum]

Originally posted by Misteraven@Oct 10 2004, 12:31 AM
I live close to the store and know a few people, so I've never had to go the mark up route on the Supreme gear.

As far as I'm concerned if there's anything worth dropping loot on, its denim. Shit lasts years if you take good care of it. And good denim actually gets better with age. I usually get 2 - 3 pairs a year, maybe more if I get a good deal. If you happen to be in or around NYC, go check out the 45rpm store in Soho. Their denim is a work of art.
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Can you hook me up w/ a Supreme box logo hat, tee, and sweatshirt? all matching ofcourse. ;)

[Poop Man Bob]

Originally posted by Misteraven@Oct 10 2004, 07:45 AM
This is kinda hard since most these brands are small and exclusive, thus avoiding a heavy presence, especially online. Regardless, you can check out the 45rpm website here... http://www.45rpm.jp/denim/index.jsp


I find it interesting that in order for brands to stay "cool," they must attempt to avoid becoming well-known.

[shapes]

Originally posted by Misteraven@Oct 10 2004, 12:31 AM
If you happen to be in or around NYC, go check out the 45rpm store in Soho. Their denim is a work of art.
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you would probably like the girbaud store as well. the denim is ill.
its in your price range too. im not speaking of the wak girbauds
that they sell at macy's. the design of the store is fresh too.
enjoy.

[zodiddly]

levis alll the way

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by zodiddly@Oct 11 2004, 12:12 PM
levis alll the way
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you see the alife x levi's 501's? Not bad, but not sure they were worth and extra $120 just for the extra alife woven label.

[p@ntyr@ider]

finding a nice pair of broken in jeans at your local thrift store can be just as rewarding. the thought of spending that much money for jeans is crazy. ( must be some nice pants )

[skem]

while looking on evisu's website, i found a section that tells why their jeans are so special.


Evisu has spent the last 10 years developing their jeans to be as authentic as today's vintage jeans can be. All Evisu jeans are made of vintage selvedge denim. This means that the denim is made on old style shuttle looms rather than modern projectile looms. In simple terms this means that the cross thread in the weaving process goes back and forth during the weaving process. But modern looms, shoot each cross thread through individually, hence the edge of the cloth is frayed rather than clean (although brands who are only interested in making quick money, try to cash in by faking the smooth selvedge by stitching up the frayed edge afterwards). No shuttle looms have be made for over 40 years as they can only make cloth about 30 inches wide whereas projectile looms can make fabric 60 inches or even wider for much less money. All the looms that make Evisu denim are practically antiques and about as reliable as a 50 year old car. Because the fabric made on these looms is so narrow we need approximately 3 yards to make each pair of jeans. To maximise the usage, the traditional method was to have a straight outside seam and cut right up to the selvedge so that when you turn the jean up you see the two selvedge edges of the denim stitched together. You can also see it on the inside of the coin pocket.Also, all of our denim is indigo dyed by loop dying machines. Again, these are rare and ancient machines which basically feed a rope of cotton yarn through vats of indigo dye and then back out and up to the roof of the factory to allow the indigo to oxidise before the 'rope' goes back down into the next vat. Evisu denim has a minimum of 16 dips and some styles have 30 dips, hence the deep blue colour.We use 100cotton threads which are more authentic but break more easily during the sewing process. We reproduce the original production techniques at every stage. This means using a large number of specialist sewing machines which have not been produced for many years. For example, we chain stitch the hem which gives the thick stitch line visible around the hem when you turn the jean up. This requires a special machine which again has not been produced for 40 years. Wherever possible we try to use Union Special machines which were the Rolls Royce of sewing machines in the US in the fifties. Many of our styles then have the logo hand painted on.As a result of all this and a host of other details relating to every raw material and process our jeans cost many times the price of normal jeans to produce. From what I understand other jeans companies make much larger profit margins than we do.All this obviously leads to the next question: why do we bother? In simple terms it is the result of the Japanese fascination with details and because everybody associated with Evisu from Mr. Yamane (the Japanese owner of Evisu) down are denim 'maniacs'. This is Yamane's term by which he means something like having obsessive, almost trainspottery love for denim. Denim produced on shuttle looms is naturally irregular and these irregularities come out as the jeans fade, making every pair develop into a unique and beautiful pattern as it fades. The deep blue colour and the way the jeans fade can only be achieved by using the loop dying system and all the other details give the jeans a combination of authenticity and the knowledge that you have something that is a labour of love that no other jeans or probably any other item of clothing, in the world can give you.We understand that for many people these things are not important but for those who appreciate this level of craftsmanship, we believe Evisu jeans are worth every penny.

[p@ntyr@ider]

^^^^ thanks for the history. those really are some special pantalonies....

[Zes]

evisu is hot stuff, without a doubt. however its nearly impossible to get it in my city. if your really into denim i'd check out with ag denim. i can't pronouce the guys name but he makes some incredible jeans. he was one of the top dudes at diesel before starting up his own label. he has jeans that have only one seam on the leg, and possibly some of the softest material there is. another brand that i tried recently and really enjoed was nudie jeans from sweden i belive (but correct me if i'm wrong.) they have a very nice fit to them, as well as a pretty decent wash. my friend went on a tour of the evisu plant in toyko and said it was amazing. especially the european evisu's are suppsoed top be insane. the colour teachiniques as well as the individual treatment of each pair makes them nothing short of art.

[foulphil]

where in soho is the 45 store located?

[Nekro]

Clothing as art? I'm skeptical. High quality clothing? I'm sure it is.

Also, what is "selvedge?"

[skem]

The edge of a fabric that is woven so that it will not fray or ravel.

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by foulphil@Oct 11 2004, 11:15 PM
where in soho is the 45 store located?
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Just below houston on mercer. a door or two up from marc jacobs.

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by skem@Oct 11 2004, 11:23 PM
The edge of a fabric that is woven so that it will not fray or ravel.
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kind of... it describes an old technique for making the denim fabric. back when it was done on shuttle looms, they could only make it so wide. as a result you could actually see the ends of the fabric and how they were finished off. most jeans try and immitate the look by weaving or stitching the end, but selvedge looks different. It's not so much this reason that the fabric is appealing, but rather the distinct twist that selvedge has when constructed into a pant, and more importantly, the unique character the fabric has from being made by such a crude technique. all the imperfections in the denim makes each one a little different, and because it's a relatively slow manufacturing process, you can usually count on the jeans only being made in relatively small batches.

[<KEY3>]

one thing I have to say......

CK makes some of the finest jeans I've ever owned.
And the best part.... the pocket lining is black!!!
Plus they are soft as sin and just the right shade of blue.

Sure they aren't handmade fancy pants,
but in the 'under-100' category, they're tops

[seeking]

i went through a brief period where i wanted to drop a grip and get one good pair of jeans i'd have forever. then i realized that no matter how careful i try to be, i get paint on absolutely everything i own. i do not want a pair of jeans i have to be paranoid about wearing.
instead i got 5 pairs of levis, onsale for $22-$24. sure enough, after two years, only one of them is still 'active'.

fast forward to last week... i'm at my ex's, and she made me put on this new pair of seven's she'd just gotten. now, i was skeptical of putting on girls jeans, but i'm a sucker for blow jobs, so whatever, you do what you have to.
i cant front, them jawns fit kind of nice.
now i have a dilemna. do i suck it up and drop $150 on a pair of jeans?

raven (or anyone)
what is a good brand under $150 (or there a bouts)? it's got to be low-rise and made for skinny guys without asses. i would bite the bullet and buy girls jeans, since i know they're cut differently, if there was a specific one that was ultra-hype. all i know of are the shits jay z talks about. ha. seven, evisu, etc.

raven? anyone?

[sarcasm]

Originally posted by seeking@Oct 13 2004, 05:26 PM
i went through a brief period where i wanted to drop a grip and get one good pair of jeans i'd have forever. then i realized that no matter how careful i try to be, i get paint on absolutely everything i own. i do not want a pair of jeans i have to be paranoid about wearing.
instead i got 5 pairs of levis, onsale*** for $22-$24. sure enough, after two years, only one of them is still 'active'.***

fast forward to last week... i'm at my ex's, and she made me put on this new pair of seven's she'd just gotten. now, i was skeptical of putting on girls jeans, but i'm a sucker for blow jobs, so whatever, you do what you have to.
i cant front, them jawns fit kind of nice.
now i have a dilemna. do i suck it up and drop $150 on a pair of jeans?

raven (or anyone)
*** what is a good brand under $150 (or there a bouts)? it's got to be low-rise and made for skinny guys without asses. i would bite the bullet and buy girls jeans, since i know they're cut differently, if there was a specific one that was ultra-hype. all i know of are the shits jay z talks about. ha. seven, evisu, etc.

raven? anyone?
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seeeking: i think you would like the brand Club Monoco (sp?) they got some nice jeans for under $125.... other than that, you can always try Express...which are around 50-80.... can't say that these are really good brands or not, but they do fit nice, if you find the right pair of pants..... however, for baggier jeans and what not, just look up L-R-G, their jeans are pretty damn nice... and not too expensive either.... but as i said before, they're not the slim fit kinds....more like the baggier, loose fit


and i know a lot of haters, hate on Deisel jeans, but they are pretty nice.... a little on the expensive side...but whatever....but like i said, some people will hate on you, but at least your gonna be gett blowjobs...... THE CHOICE IS YOURS

[paint junky]

L-R-G jeans are really really dope...
the jeans are very well made... all diff styles, and nice little touches that really seperate them from the other bullshit... L-R-G on a whole is dope as all hell... and i aint just saying that cause they give me free clothes...

[seeking]

im sorry man, i cant fuck with club monaco.
i cant even fuck with express.
if you knew the dudes around here that sported that shit, you'd totally understand. i'd rather pay extra and floss lucky's or something.

thanks for trying though.

what i really want is something that feels super good/soft, and looks right. i wear my shit really low, but not super baggy. this creates a problem because it gives me thatundesirable 'ass sag'. not fresh.
to quote my man charlie hustle 'pants saggin, lookin like i done dookied on myself

[skem]

i was about to suggest diesel, they go for about 150

[seeking]

Originally posted by skem@Oct 13 2004, 03:01 PM
i was about to suggest diesel, they go for about 150
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but now you aren't? ha. i'm confused.
diesel are cool, but them shits is real mainstream now. they're kind of the abercrombie of the hipster world. then again, if they're nice, fuck it.

[skem]

no, someone already said it before me though.

[seeking]

this jeans shit is making my head fucking hurt.
why the hell can't google just give me a fucking website? go try and find seven's site. i bet you cant. you can find a million people trying to sell you it, but a single one that is it. thats bullshit.

all this fashion shit is such a pain in the ass. this is why i wear discount levis, cause that shit is easy.

[Zes]

girls sevens are definitly a nice fitting jean. the giys are a little bit baggier, i don't like them as much. if your looking for tighter fitting jeans i'd offer a few suggestions. if your down with picking up some diesels i'd look into the hushes. they are a female pant, but i know tons of guys who wear em and they fit quite well on guys. there definitly a lower fit andthe legs are quite nice. if your looking for some cheaper jeans i suggest you go check out gap women stretch boot cut. there definitly a pant for guys who like tighter pants, but the fit is quite good. there also alot cheaper then the diesels so thats a defintie plus. other then that i'd jsut go to your nearest store and start trying jeans on. tell the sale people exactly what your looking for and chances are they can help you out.

[sarcasm]

is it really necessary for guys to wear women's jeans? i think not. girl jeans are made for the female body, hence curves. but not too many guys i know have curves (no homo)......





but i've never tried on girl jeans....
do they really fit that well? cuz when i think about guys who wear
girl jeans, i think of those emo fag asses who have to wear thongs
just to get into those tight ass, so called "jean" pants,
which really look like spandex

[seeking]

i don't want 'tight' at all. just not uber baggy.
all i know is that my girls sevens that i tried on, besides being real tight on the sack, fit me better than any of the jeans i own. i dont know what thats about, but whatever. i'll figure shit out eventually.
one of the things i like about the girls, is they're a lot lower cut that guys pants. i dont want a 10" crotch seam, thats still too high.
fucking poor me. ha.

[Zes]

Originally posted by sarcasm@Oct 13 2004, 11:10 PM
is it really necessary for guys to wear women's jeans? i think not. girl jeans are made for the female body, hence curves. but not too many guys i know have curves (no homo)......





but i've never tried on girl jeans....
do they really fit that well? cuz when i think about guys who wear
girl jeans, i think of those emo fag asses who have to wear thongs
just to get into those tight ass, so called "jean" pants,
which really look like spandex
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it all comes down to how you like your jeans to fit i think. i prefer fairly tight jeans so girls jeans work well for me. i agree with seeking on cut is a big difference. a long crotch is something i've enver enjoyed to much, so by wearing lower rise womens jeans it helps cut down on this problem with for me. and for seeking if you don't want tight jeasn i'd suggest still checking out girls pants but most likely your'll be happier with mens. my suggestion would be checking out the diesel zathans, or the diesel raboxs. there both a bit of a straight leg not to tight, not baggy jean.

[Grimes]

i once seen a pair of Iceberg jeans with a $875 price tag on em,thats fuckin retarded,if i was bill gates i still wouldnt drop that on some jeans,shit dickies and 50 dollar jeans suit me well

[Misteraven]

For under $150 I'd probably go for a pair of Paper Denim & Cloth, Levi's Vintage, or Diesel depending on the cut and wash you like. Personally I'm not a fan of Seven jeans for guys, but that's just me. L-R-G isn't even in the same category as what we've been discussing. They might have cool shirts and hoodies, but their denim is some cheap crap straight out of China.

[48:16]

my signature notwithstanding, i can't hang with spending too much on jeans to look fly in. i ride my bike everywhere (read: ass worn out) and manage to have silver dripped all over everything i own. it just ain't worth it for me. i get the same size color model of levis every six months. besides, last thing i need is another expensive habit to complement my sneaker habit.

[rental]

Originally posted by Misteraven@Oct 9 2004, 02:47 PM
Granted I've dropped $450 for a pair of 45rpm's that were too sick to pass onQuoted post


may i come be your personal live-in maidservant?

dropping money on designer shit and servers like its hot...

[Nekro]

I actually might spring for some unwashed rigid indigo shrink to fit 501s if I can find them around here.

[slum]

I don't want to be sexist or anything but is it really necessary to wear women's jeans?

go to a tailor...

I feel weird

[oh so modern]

go to a tailor?
wtf? are you serious?

anyway i dont mean to judge
but dont you guys feel duped
when you spend hundreds of
dollars on a pair of jeans?

i rock levis and gap bootcuts
and cant bring myself to even
pick up a pair of volcoms at $60.

how do you do it?
one love.

[foulphil]

I know this may seem weird. But if you live in nyc, I would suggest checking out Bloomingdales. Yea the original store. At the end of the season, they always seem to mark thier denim down. I gotten $150 Joe Jeans for $15. Same with special ed. Levis, and Earl Jeans.

[oh so modern]

Originally posted by foulphil@Oct 14 2004, 07:03 PM
At the end of the season, they always seem to mark thier denim down. I gotten $150 Joe Jeans for $15. Same with special ed. Levis, and Earl Jeans.
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on that note any other suggestions about
where to get discounted designer denim
preferrably around chicago for me at least.
one love.

[slum]

[quote=oh so modern,Oct 15 2004, 12:54 AM]
go to a tailor?
wtf? are you serious?

For alterations--I'm just tryin' to help, I mean I'm not the one wearing ladie's seven jeans.


Jesus Christ what? Am I worried about? My image on 12 Oz?

[rental]

Originally posted by foulphil@Oct 14 2004, 05:03 PM
I know this may seem weird. But if you live in nyc, I would suggest checking out Bloomingdales. Yea the original store. At the end of the season, they always seem to mark thier denim down. I gotten $150 Joe Jeans for $15. Same with special ed. Levis, and Earl Jeans.
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word, i am never paying full price for wardrobe staples again. fuck. i bought some 90 dollar diadoras when they first came out. i saw them early this week for 20. fuck that, i can wait.

[Manifesto]

whats the deal with outlet store denim?
is it not as good as their boutique shit?

i constantly get jeans from polo/rl or guess from outlets.
they usually go for at most 50 bucks...sometimes 2 for 60 or someshit.

i only had one pair of guess fall apart on me within 1 month, but i think those were a lemon pair or something.

my polo jeans hold up pretty well.

[Misteraven]

outlet stores are referred to in the industry as strike out. this means anything they carry couldn't be sold by retailers, even after several rounds of sales (the discounts given at department store sales are generally absorbed by the brand) and after every regular retailer was given several chances to order the stuff at deep discounts. further, outlet stores are becoming increasingly dominated by margin builders that are predestined for strike out. these garments are generally designs and styles from older seasons or designs that didn't make the cut from a recent season, re-manufcatured using cheaper materials. for example in the case of denim, it'll usually be a much lighter grade of fabric, and often a much cheaper standard as well. further, often times they'll cut corners on trims, washes and finishing. Most consumers aren't sophisticated enough, experienced enough, or interested enough to realize these differences. Generally, they simply see stuff being sold in department stores for far more, and thus feel like it's a bargain when they see a garment by the same brand, for a bit less at an outlet store, never really catching onto the fact that it's a bait and switch type scenario. I'm sure most of you have that feeling in your gut while at an outlet that something isn't quite right about the clothes there. Irregular items are a very small part of what they stock at outlets since most of this isn't even released from the vendor manufacturing the stuff for the brand. Other strike out retailers include Marshall's TJ Maxx, Burlington Coat Factory, and many others. Your best bet is shopping at sales from regular retailers, but fact is you usually get what you pay for.

[26SidedCube]

About 4 years back when I was staying in Berlin I dropped 190dm on a pair of Ecko pants with weird heavy-denim kneepads stitched onto them. I recieved stupid amounts of compliments and rocked those fuckers almost every day for 2 years until I eventually blew out the thighs from washing/hopping fences. Those were some damn fine jeans and they were just bullshit Euro-stock Eckos (which I might add, it seems most of the booty brands in the US send their nice stuff to Europe and not the US), but it was more than I've spent on any pants prior or since and I must say.. I can't imagine how nice denim get after you start paying $200+ a pair.

[Manifesto]

thanks for the info misteraven.
im the type of guy who doesnt really like their jeans for a good month.
so i would be hesitant to buy 200$ pair to take the chance of not liking them later.

ill buy the bargain jeans...and then buy 3 more pairs of the same thing a month later.
keep them around till each pair destroy themselves.

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by 26SidedCube@Oct 28 2004, 11:40 AM
About 4 years back when I was staying in Berlin I dropped 190dm on a pair of Ecko pants with weird heavy-denim kneepads stitched onto them. I recieved stupid amounts of compliments and rocked those fuckers almost every day for 2 years until I eventually blew out the thighs from washing/hopping fences. Those were some damn fine jeans and they were just bullshit Euro-stock Eckos (which I might add, it seems most of the booty brands in the US send their nice stuff to Europe and not the US), but it was more than I've spent on any pants prior or since and I must say.. I can't imagine how nice denim get after you start paying $200+ a pair.
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Often times, brands license their name to licensees or distributors in foreign territories instead of shipping product. This is because there's usually a big different in style/taste from one place to another, and the assumption is they could more successfully predict and fulfill product in their own areas. Usually the main brand needs to approve the designs, but often times everyone is on such a tight deadline or disorganized that it never happens. Either way, this is why you see different cars, electronics, and clothing that differ from one country to another.

[Giving Tree]

seeking, for under 150, shoot for paper cloth and denim.

i LOVE lucky jeans. im a fairly built guy and have a 35 inch waist... it's a bitch to find pants for me most of the time. either a 36 too big or 34 too tight on the legs... 35 is a solid rock. lucky has ALWAYS taken care of me, and as thin as some pair are, if you CARE for them you get 2 or 3 years out of them, and for 70-80 bucks i dont mind paint on a few of them. the only problems i see are the holes you do get rip alot, since it's cross-woven denim, almost the OPPOSITE of ripstop.

check out some stuff at guyshop.com they tend to have some nice stuff by up-and-comers and seem to stay in your price range. returns are easy there if you dont like what you get, or you could always find a style you like and see if you can find a place in your area that carries that brand... which is what i do.

yellowratbastard.com has some decent stuff too, a little lower in price but some good brands..

i haven't bought pants in a LONG time.. probably 6 months or so, fucking office job and no job before that. i'm now the ralph lauren / banana republic whore. but it's about time...

[Gangsta_Lean]

with bills and my hobbies eating a hole in my wallet every month i cant bring myself to spend more than 50 bucks for jeans. i still seem to find more than a few pair, usually for about $40. i usually just wear some plain diesel jeans, they fit me well and most people dont want them because they arent flashy enough for hipsters and they dont look like a homeless painter previously owned them, so they just get marked down all the time. i also wear G-star, their A-crotch series is the shit. can be pricey (more than 200 a pair sometimes) but i've been wearing them for a while and they would also get marked down cause people didnt know what they were.

[Fondles]

I spend money on good clothes, simply because of three reasons:

1. I earn alllll my money and can spend it how I want

2. I like quality clothing, I understand the $50 levi argument, but I like to wear (real!) coogi, some iceberg, girbaud, davoucci (yesyesyes), mitchell & ness jerseys (300ish price tag on 1 jersey), etc.

3. Obviously design and look is important, as superficial as that might seem.

Tell you the truth, where I live we don't have any of those fancy schmancy brands yall got, seven prsps or whatever, I've never even seen those before. We just bout 5 years behind down herre. : (

[JesusMachine]

Originally posted by Seldoon@Oct 30 2004, 12:41 PM

2. I like quality clothing, I understand the $50 levi argument, but I like to wear (real!) coogi, some iceberg, girbaud, davoucci (yesyesyes), mitchell & ness jerseys (300ish price tag on 1 jersey), etc.

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you :gaga: got really bad taste.

[Gangsta_Lean]

Originally posted by JesusMachine+Oct 30 2004, 06:40 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JesusMachine - Oct 30 2004, 06:40 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Seldoon@Oct 30 2004, 12:41 PM

2. I like quality clothing, I understand the $50 levi argument, but I like to wear (real!) coogi, some iceberg, girbaud, davoucci (yesyesyes), mitchell & ness jerseys (300ish price tag on 1 jersey), etc.

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you :gaga: got really bad taste.
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i wouldnt personally rock anything he listed but hey, to each his own. besides, he said everything is about 5 years behind where he is from. shit, i remember when Iceberg was the hottest shit around in 2001 and those horrible Coogi sweaters with the matching hats were "in" in 2000. shit, if you think about it, the shit he is rocking is actually a few months ahead where he is from. (just so you know, "button ups" and Lacoste Polos will be "in" next since Jay-z said he stopped wearing jerseys on the black album... just wanted to give you the heads up.)

[BUNBUNBIGGY]

Iceberg was hot before 2001, it was at its prime in the late 90's Coogie too (biggie raps a verse about coogie, "coogie down to the socks"). Anything after Y2K, the quality of both brands went dddoowwwwnnnnn. Bad move for those companies.

YO RAVEN.. What are your thoughts on evisu? I think the denim is crazy nice. I just hate the fact that the gullwing logo looks like mcdonald arches on your ass. Haha.




D90 - Word sun, been in the game for too dam long.

[jo king]

When i was in NYC, evisu seemed to b a brand "to have". Here in the Uk its been played out..u got every joe blogg fool rocking evisu, doesnt help u got truck loads of fakes at all the markets!!!!

i Liked the armani exchange store near soho still!!!!!

[BUNBUNBIGGY]

I dont rock shit for to be trendy, I rock shit cause i like it. Evisu quality is crazy. Im just not to fond of the logo on the ass.

[seeking]

yeah, it's just too bad evisu is the only company making quality jeans.

:rolleyes:

[k2theLO]

Originally posted by slum@Oct 14 2004, 12:24 PM
I don't want to be sexist or anything but is it really necessary to wear women's jeans?

go to a tailor...

I feel weird
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well alot of retailers are trying to sell their jeans as unisex such as Diesel... i know where i work they tell us to tell the customer to visit the other sex's section if the jean style their looking for is more of that style

[BUNBUNBIGGY]

so name some quality jeans then Mr. Seeking. I just got some EVISU EU-ED's. quality like that i mean. Handmade in Italy. Organic dyes. 750$. Dont be mad cause i keep my chips stacked. Get ya game up.

[k2theLO]

for $750 i rather get a pair of 'quality' jeans that everyone isn't jocking or i rather get 10 pairs of jeans that cost $75 and still look flier than the person wearing $750 jeans =x

[imported_Tesseract]

Just wanted to say that the best Diesel model ever is out of production and my last pair is ready to die in a week or so...rip rivec

[imported_dowmagik]

tesser, what sort of things should one look for when hunting for good denim? soft, hard, thin, thick, certain types of dyes...etc

[imported_Tesseract]

I think Raven is the man to answer that, personally i'm a bit conservative with clothing in general and my idea of looking sharp is more based on classic values. I dont really like thin denim and absolutely hate pre-worn out jeans, the rivec was simply awesome cause while looking totally classic it had a much more nice fit than any classic jean, lower waist, a bit baggy but still fit and great details. Most importantly the fact that its tough enough so time and everyday use work wonders on it..i hate the fuckin diesel guys for removing that one and keeping all the trendy-ridiculously worn out ones.

Having said all that, that site raven posted trully has some tasty denim.

[imported_dowmagik]

Originally posted by Tesseract@Nov 14 2004, 04:00 PM
I think Raven is the man to answer that
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oops, i meant raven. musta been spacing out.

[Gangsta_Lean]

Originally posted by Tesseract@Nov 14 2004, 03:38 PM
Just wanted to say that the best Diesel model ever is out of production and my last pair is ready to die in a week or so...rip rivec
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exactly how i felt. bought 3 pair not too long ago

[Nekro]

Fuck $750 for a pair of jeans, I'd spend that on a nicely tailored suit.

[BUNBUNBIGGY]

MY JEANS ARE KNIFE PROOF..

WHATS SO GOOD ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR SUIT IF IT WONT SAVE YOU FROM A NUCLEAR BOMB?

750$ KNIFE PROOF JEANS.. . COP THAT
I GOT CHASED AROUND LES.. .IM STILL WALKING
HAHA. CAN'T SAY MUCH FOR THE OTHER GUY.

D90- THE ROOTS - DONT SAY NUFFIN... LISTEN TO THAT ISHH

[BUNBUNBIGGY]

If you really want something, get evisu.. . trust me.. . but not all are knif.. . errr. ripstop*.

The denim for evisu is made with love and patience.
If you dont like the logo, get the painted ones. They come off with the wash.... i hate when people rock evisu's and dont want to wash the denimn because it'll fade liek crazy.. well duhh.. it'll fade because evisu uses rare indigo flowers to dye their jeans.

later club 40 40 is calling..
d90

[seeking]

dow,
after haggling with all this expensive jean bullshit, going out, trying on a bunch of different brands: seven, evisu, paper denim, etc, all between $140-$200, i finally settled on a $44 pair of levis 527's and couldn't be happier.
i still wouldnt mind a pair of paper denim's, but that's just sort of vanity talking, and me thinking i'll be able to pull girls for rocking some underground shit.

unless you're on some homo status shit, check out levi's, gap or express, then spend the remaining $100 on fried chicken, malt liquor and a stolen gun. thats the real shit.

[The Pity Party]

Originally posted by seeking@Nov 17 2004, 10:45 AM


unless you're on some homo status shit, check out levi's, gap or express, then spend the remaining $100 on fried chicken, malt liquor and a stolen gun. thats the real shit.
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amen. nobody cares what jeans you're wearing. nobody cares that you have $400 pants. people see jeans, khakis, whatever the fuck and walk right by.

i buy gap jeans on sale for 20 dollars and wear THEM for years. i'd say thats more "worth it" in the end, if you ask me.

[seeking]

im sure there are people who do care, but seriously what the hell do i care what another dude thinks about my clothes? you wanna suck my dick? then dont worry about what i wear.

if people want to spend their money on the stuff, thats all them, doesnt bother me at all, but quit trying to front like theres anything more than a false asthetic difference.

[Tribal_Man]

Good jeans are the shit, but the best feeling pants I have ever worn are from Club Monaco, everyone go try on a pair of their cut 2 or 3 pants, you will love them. That being said I have some small brand french jeans that cost 260, and I almost never wear them because I love my Club Monaco too much.

[Blood_money]

Maybe i missed something..but when it comes to fasion and clothes you almost never pay for quality, and with quality i mean durability..You always pay for style/brand etc. If you want a pair of everlasting jeans just go to the nearest supermarket and buy a pair of unwashed straightcut blue jeans for 20 dollars...

[seeking]

and while you're there, take all the free 'apartment finder' magazines, and all the copies of 'cat fancy' and use them in place of toilet paper.
even more savings!

after saying all that, i'm back on my stupid expensive jean kick. ha. i think it's mostly because i realized my levis dont fit like i'd like them too. if i was 5'10" and 165, everything would fit me awesome...but i'm not. oh well.

it's funny how little i knew about jeans when this all started, and how ridiculously much i know now. i can break down company lineages, styles by brand (both guys and girls) and give the different selling points of each.
i need a new hobby.

[Blood_money]

i need a new hobby.



Yes!

Oh and i wasnt talking about saving cash..I wouldnt wear nobrand jeans they dont look good on me, they look like shit...I only questioned the yougetwhatyoupay for thing...Because its bollocks when it comes to clothes, you pay for style, brand but but not quality..

[BUNBUNBIGGY]

I donno, i dont like GAP jeans. I once wore them to skate and i ripped them to shreds. I do like the fact that they are thin and feel good to wear in the summer.

[Misteraven]

just got some vintage selvege indigo's from comme de garcons. not as nice as 45rpm, but better than most other japanese selvege i've seen around.

[Nekro]

Originally posted by DESTROY90@Nov 16 2004, 02:18 PM
it'll fade because evisu uses rare indigo flowers to dye their jeans.
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Oh shit, someone bought the marketing hook, line, and sinker. Indigo isn't a "rare flower." It's the oldest dye known to man, and pretty much every pair of jeans were dyed with it before the 80s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_dye

[Tribal_Man]

Historically speaking the reason indigo was wanted so much is the same reason it became the color of royalty, it was expensive to get. Depending on how you make it now it can be a little more expensive to get, but not a $300 difference. The reason you pay so much for evisu is because it is evisu. That said I'm considering a new pair of evisu jeans or a blazer, probably getting the blazer though.

Has anyone read "Napoleon's Buttons"? It's a really good read.

[effyoo]

is that anything like "the emperor's new clothes" ?

[ringring]

Tribal_man wrote: Historically speaking the reason indigo was wanted so much is the same reason it became the color of royalty, it was expensive to get. Depending on how you make it now it can be a little more expensive to get, but not a $300 difference. The reason you pay so much for evisu is because it is evisu. That said I'm considering a new pair of evisu jeans or a blazer, probably getting the blazer though.


Tribal_man is correct. Evisu are great jeans, great denim with a great logo and 'brand story' and you pay for that.

"Cool" costs.

Great topic BTW.

[Misteraven]

hey ringring, good to see you here. i thoroughly enjoyed reading up on the knowledge you've been dropping on superfuture.

welcome aboard.

[ringring]

Originally posted by Misteraven@Dec 1 2004, 02:56 PM
hey ringring, good to see you here. i thoroughly enjoyed reading up on the knowledge you've been dropping on superfuture.

welcome aboard.
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Hey Raven, nice to be hear and thanks for the welcome. I've always enjoyed your posts on Superfuture, which is pretty much the reason I came by here. (I don't post on many forums). Good to see some denim aficionados.

I'll be back in NYC in spring and will no doubt be doing 'the denim shops' LOL.

Great board you have here.

[Misteraven]

thanks for the kind words and participation.

hit me up before you get to ny and maybe we can meet up, talk shop, and dig for denim.

[ringring]

Originally posted by Misteraven@Dec 1 2004, 03:14 PM
thanks for the kind words and participation.

hit me up before you get to ny and maybe we can meet up, talk shop, and dig for denim.
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Digging for denim sounds like my kinda trip :)

Thanks for the offer.

[jo king]

so what do u lot call a "high end denim" pair of jeans...brand wise then???

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by jo king@Dec 8 2004, 06:16 AM
so what do u lot call a "high end denim" pair of jeans...brand wise then???
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45rpm, comme de garcons, and many more...

[jo king]

Originally posted by Misteraven+Dec 9 2004, 02:08 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Misteraven - Dec 9 2004, 02:08 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-jo king@Dec 8 2004, 06:16 AM
so what do u lot call a "high end denim" pair of jeans...brand wise then???
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45rpm, comme de garcons, and many more...
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CAN U GET 45 RPM'S IN THE UK THEN???

[ringring]

Dunno about the 45rpm's in London, but Selfridges has plenty of other "premium denim" brands. Anything £150 thereabouts or upwards should be in that catagory.

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by jo king+Dec 9 2004, 04:36 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jo king - Dec 9 2004, 04:36 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Misteraven@Dec 9 2004, 02:08 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-jo king@Dec 8 2004, 06:16 AM
so what do u lot call a "high end denim" pair of jeans...brand wise then???
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45rpm, comme de garcons, and many more...
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CAN U GET 45 RPM'S IN THE UK THEN???
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no idea, but they happen to have a shop in soho, nyc in case you have a friend in ny that can help you out. just so you know... 45rpm is particularly expensive. they start at about $400 and most hover in the $800 range. you can also get custom hardware and special long term washes, but that will drive the price up into the $1000 - $1800 range.

not for the faint of heart, or shallow pockets.

[Misteraven]

btw, if you make it to 45rpm, check out the charcoal wash denim. a beautiful alternative to indigo.

[seeking]

$1800, huh?
i remember when i made fun of tesseract a couple years ago because you could trade a pair of levis for a car in his country (which turns out to not be the case at all). guess the jokes on me!

[Misteraven]

I believe the $1800 pair have an 8 year organic indigo wash and 18kt custom hardware.

[jo king]

Originally posted by Misteraven@Dec 10 2004, 03:32 AM
I believe the $1800 pair have an 8 year organic indigo wash and 18kt custom hardware.
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THANKS FOR INFO...IM HOPING TO MAKE IT BACK TO THE BIG NYC SOON SO ILL GO CHECK IT ALL OUT.

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by jo king+Dec 10 2004, 04:42 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jo king - Dec 10 2004, 04:42 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Misteraven@Dec 10 2004, 03:32 AM
I believe the $1800 pair have an 8 year organic indigo wash and 18kt custom hardware.
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THANKS FOR INFO...IM HOPING TO MAKE IT BACK TO THE BIG NYC SOON SO ILL GO CHECK IT ALL OUT.
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cool. the shop is in soho a door or two down from marc jacobs. i forget the street, but it's about a block or so from the prince st stop on the N & R.

here's their website: http://www.45rpm.jp/index.jsp

[Misteraven]

actually, here you go:

R by 45rpm NEW YORK
169 MERCER St.,NEW YORK 10012
Tel : 917-237-0045?

http://www.45rpm.jp/shop/images/new_york/map_en.gif

[jo king]

Originally posted by Misteraven@Dec 10 2004, 02:16 PM
actually, here you go:

R by 45rpm NEW YORK
169 MERCER St.,NEW YORK 10012
Tel : 917-237-0045?

http://www.45rpm.jp/shop/images/new_york/map_en.gif
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QUALITY....THANKS

[seeking]

so, what's to stop someone from just walking in, grabbing a couple pair of $2k jeans, then just walking out the door? the cute little japanese girl and the metrosexual motherfucker working behind the counter?

there needs to be more strong armed robbery in the fashion world i think.

[Misteraven]

Originally posted by seeking@Dec 10 2004, 09:33 AM
so, what's to stop someone from just walking in, grabbing a couple pair of $2k jeans, then just walking out the door? the cute little japanese girl and the metrosexual motherfucker working behind the counter?

there needs to be more strong armed robbery in the fashion world i think.
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you have to get fitted and the pair is ordered from japan where it's custom made to fit. you get a call about 2 weeks later and they're kept in a store room until you show up. (they have to be prepaid)

[seeking]

DRATS!
i was so close to getting rich too.

raven, you'll be 'happy' to hear that i've caved into your denim world and will be copping a pair of pd&c for xmas. it's not some super elite $400-$600 jawn, but for a cat who's used to $27 levi's, it's something.

[JesusMachine]

yo, not to bust your bubble or anything but you should've gone with the levi's. those paper jeans are made with such shitty quality. be careful about the belt loops, they tend to break real easily. also, i would be suspect to buy something that could be merchendised right next to southpole jeans.

[seeking]

well, levi's and evisu are 'merchandised' right next to south pole, so what's that leave me? lee jeans or R 45?
i appreciate the 'warning' but when you dont wear clothes 5 sizes too big, theres not quite the same strain on the belt loops. something tells me ill be fine. ;)

we need a smilie that makes its little hands look like guns then winks right as they 'fire'. that would be good.

[Jimmy Jump]

check out Quicksilver jeans. most washes are around $60.
Quicksilver.com (http://www.quiksilver.com/?pageID=2168)

[sect one]

some brands and their breakdowns found off a site:
Edwin - well priced, quality selvage, Evisu without the bling.
Denime - Japanese repro Levis, Lee etc
Sugar Cane/Buzz Rickson - Japanese repro Lee & Levis
Dope & Drakkar - Japanese Levis style
Dry Bones Japanese Levisalikes.
Eternal - Japanese Levis style
F.O.B. - Japanese Levis style
Full Count - more Japanese Levis lookalikes.
Joe McCoy - Japanese Levisalikes.
Johnbull - Japanese selvedge.
Kato - made in Japan, Zimbabwe cotton denim.
Pherrows - Japanese Levisalikes.
Skull - yet another Japanese Levis style
Studio D'Artisan - 'Pig brand' Japanese 5 pocket jeans, also do a natural indigo denim.
The Flat Head - More Japanese Levisalikes.
Warehouse - more Japanese Levis homage.
Paul Smith 'RedEar' - some selvage pieces
Nudie - selvedge jeans made in Italy, designed in, Sweden.
Morris - red sanforized selvedge from this Sweden brand. Nice stitching, shame about the tapered legs.
Maharishi - selvage with backside camo print
Firetrap - *I think* they have a small collection of selvedge
DDC Labs - Visible selvage edged coin pocket, hidden rivets, lined back pockets all in zimbabwe cotton. Nice.
Blue Blood - selvage loose fit workpants. Expensive.
D.I.E. - Denim Is Everything- redline selvage.
Gap - nice light blue selvedge. Bargain in a rinse wash.
G Star - 'Red listing' redline
Uniqlo - biggest bargain selvage ever? About half the price of Gap. Excellent.
Levis - Repro Vintage Levis + others like the Black Label Oki Ni jeans that have a yellow selvage.
Lee - some jeans have a green 'half selvedge' which is a classic Lee detail. And there's a style "Cornell" that has full selvage outside leg seams and a selvage coin pocket, plus Japanese repro 101z.
Red Dot - Evisu with a tad less bling.
Yen - Japanese Red label.
YMC - redline denim from UK brand.
Nobody - Aussie branded selvedge.
Es - 12oz selvage
OneTrueSaxon -'Vintage Curve' style 14.5oz selvage
Abercrombie - Ezra Fitch style
Duffer - red selvage.
5 - red selvage
Sunday n Company - selvage via NYC.
Lewis Leathers - biker selvage
Howies - OSD style
Supreme - made in USA
Margret Howell - makes jeans in association with Edwin.
Quinnen - selvedge denim woven in Lancashire, England - has anyone seen these?
Toast - even the queen of mail-order slippers is doing selvage.
TopMan - UK cheapo menswear retailer's premium range includes dry selvedge jeans.

[sect one]

http://www.revolveclothing.com/
a number of brands sold here

[Nekro]

H&M now has selvedge, for those who want to get their cheap fashion on.

Also, the Evisu sample sale is this week. West 36th street with Ben Sherman.

[Spellbound]

so where does the fat man fit into this style equation?
Can he too enjoy the feeling of wearing pants that cost
enough to feed 8 Ethiopian families for a month?

I'm gonna start a brand of super expensive
sweatpants that have waistbands made
of organic mongolian elastic and
drawstrings spun from the golden hair
of norwiegan virgins.
And special sweat collecting resivoires
that purify the sweat into sparkling polish glacier water.

Oh, and no waist sizes under 38

anyone interested in investing?

[iloveboxcars]

im a fan of certain apc's certain nudie's and certain sugarcanes.

cant go with evisu though, i hate that damn bird logo and he makes it hella huge on everything.

[Cus D'Amato]

I bought my first pair of jeans today, Levi 501's.

35 dollars on sale.

[23rakim45]

G Star - 'Red listing' redline

^ What the hell does this mean?

[alure]

i like express jeans..from $60 to $120...

[red_beard]

im a fan of certain apc's certain nudie's and certain sugarcanes.

cant go with evisu though, i hate that damn bird logo and he makes it hella huge on everything.


I picked up a pair of APC New Standard in Paris about a month ago, really high quality - not too expensive either. Gonna pick up a pair of Tenderloin bc's when I get paid, they are some high quality jeans and not overly branded either.

Was looking at a pair of PRPS a while back, thought they are too fussy, the little touches are nice but there is too many of them.

[AnUpsetStomach]

Unless your some really odd sized weirdo like shrek or like an os gemeos character, i dont understand why you would spend more than $100 on jeans. i mean shit, somone mentioned they spent $600 on a pair of jeans.....Thats like almost a year in cell phone bills, a one week vacation, 2 ipods, i could go on and on....

[iloveboxcars]

^Jeans that are more expensive usually last longer because they are made better.

[PumpSillyOunces]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_plant

Its flowers range from red to purple.

[lovestick]

How much do Acne or Nudie's run in the US? I've got a few people asking me to haul a suitcase full of them next time I go to the States, word is they're 'hot' right now, so worth the trouble?

[23rakim45]

Would someone answer my damn question, for the second time...

G Star - 'Red listing' redline

^ What the hell does this mean?

[sarcasm]

redline usually means it's made with selvage denim, which in turn has a 'red line' going down the inseam

edit: redline doesn't always mean selvage denim.. selvage denim can have any assorment of colors in the 'selvage' inseam

[23rakim45]

^ OK, thanks for your reply, but I don't really understand any of it.

[iloveboxcars]

superfuture.com for any denim questions. those dudes are animals.

[culturelabs]

i have a pair of APC new standards. i'm not really feeling the fit on them but then again, the person i got it from fucking hemmed the length 2 inches so it barely touches my heel so i have to sag it.

i also have a pair of nudie thinn finns. i love them to death. they are so soft.

[Bhagavad-Gita]

last time i was in ny i went to 45rpm...amazing store, awesome denim...next visit=keith brings more money.

[Bhagavad-Gita]

How much do Acne or Nudie's run in the US? I've got a few people asking me to haul a suitcase full of them next time I go to the States, word is they're 'hot' right now, so worth the trouble?

there gonna cost you new around $295-$350 here in the US....

[gregory hines]

bluefly.com has rogans from last season at 40-60% off. score!

[pranks]

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x43/retsknarp/Picture154.jpg

[Just a Trainwreck Away]

^ That's fuckin' wak.

Anybody heard of Imperial Jeans before?

Opinions?

[IDrinkSprite]

So this girl I'm dating now is all into fashion and shit and decided my $60 levis won't suffice so for Christmas she bought me two pairs of Citizens of Humanity. They look good and fit perfectly but after doing some research and finding out they cost $200+ a pair I don't even want to wear them. I gotta admit they're probably the best pair of jeans I've ever tried on but I know that I'll be paranoid the second I leave my house.. Its only a matter of hours before I end up dropping some shit all over them.

[iloveboxcars]

isnt that big of deal sprite, rock that shit. if you fuck them up get a new pair.

i mean you got 2 pair anyway.


got pictures of the fit?

[Qawee]

drjays.com has a sale of an evisu sample they got, most of it is from $100-250
they're out of a lot of sizes though, unless you rock a 40+ waist

[IDrinkSprite]

isnt that big of deal sprite, rock that shit. if you fuck them up get a new pair.

i mean you got 2 pair anyway.


got pictures of the fit?


Shit, when I fuck them up I'm most likely going back to levis unless she plans on buying me a new pair. I don't feel comfortable yet dropping that kind of dough on some denim, it's getting pretty tempting now that i've been rocking these though. As for the fits, here are the two pairs...

http://www.revolveclothing.com/DisplayProduct.jsp?product=CITI-MJ45&c=Citizens+Of+Humanity+Jeans&d=b

http://www.barneys.com/b/browse/product.s?productId=613713&source=category&index=4&prodIndex=124&listSize=314&pageIndex=12&perPageElements=10&categoryId=357038

[dannysstylez]

yall should try some WESC. in my opinion they got the best, rawest blue jeans youll ever see or wear. theyll hella bleed on white on white forces but the shoes can be protected from the bleed with some of that hat/rain protector stuff. check out WESC @ www.karmaloop.com

[iloveboxcars]

WESC is not high end denim. they have decent basics like sweaters and shirts and such. infact i got this green/green/blue/blue/ (i think brown too) horizontally striped sweater from them.

but their denim isnt that great.

[Qawee]

WESC is not high end denim. they have decent basics like sweaters and shirts and such. infact i got this green/green/blue/blue/ (i think brown too) horizontally striped sweater from them.

but their denim isnt that great.

That begs the question then, what constitutes high end denim.
I realize that if a pair of jeans comes from china, then the denim is probably not high end, but what is the difference between wesc and say APC or something like that?

[iloveboxcars]

quality of materials, quality of assembly are the main things.

Levi's fall apart quick with me. Not like completely, they are still wearable, but the seams always break, it kills me.

[gobster]

if your really in to japanese denim you should check out sugar cane jeans fuck raw shit and levis fragment joints fuckin fresh shit but runs you like 600 or more a pair.

[sharonk868]

Anyone else into high-end denim (japanese and domestic selvedge). Personally I'd down to throw down a grip on nice denim, but the prices Rogan and PRPS is asking these days seems like a stretch. Seems like last year, they broke past the $200 barrier by going from $180 to $220. Today I was checking out Union NYC and now Rogans are all at $240 - $290 and the same exact denim PRPS was pushing last season for $240 is now $290. Granted PRPS is doing some nice stuff despit me still not being a fan of the short wide cut, but that seems awfully high even for a niche brand doing japanese selvedge. Granted I've dropped $450 for a pair of 45rpm's that were too sick to pass on, I don't think I'm willing to pay those kids of prices for domestic brands even if the denim is imported, or especially for domestic denim.

Any one else into premium denim kinda turned off by this?

On a similar note, what's up with all the companies also asking $50 - $65 for simple t-shirts?!


Thanks you for the post.
Hi guys, Im a newbie. Nice to join this forum.
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[ultram666]

I could buy enough pants to use for the rest of my life with the cost of one of these pairs of pants! Props to those who can afford them, but damn, just damn!

[SYCE]

I got a few pair of G Star Raw Denim cost me 150+ each pair, they're very much worth it too...

[osrem]

APC
Imperial
Pure Blue Japan
Momotaro
Skull
Sugar Cane

Just to name a few..

[fooorks]

i want some raw denim

[Frate_Raper]

i got some vintage DG's size 38/51 euro sizing,button fly they are the real dealo.........dont fit anyone one want them? 20 bones plus shipping

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Went Xmas shopping in Woodbury commons. My wife bought me RRL jeans for $56! Japanese selvedge denim for that price is unheard of. Needless to say I'm psyched. Btw, all double RL merchandise is 75% off lowest ticketed price. These jawns cost $325 retail.

[Qawee]

Went Xmas shopping in Woodbury commons. My wife bought me RRL jeans for $56! Japanese selvedge denim for that price is unheard of. Needless to say I'm psyched. Btw, all double RL merchandise is 75% off lowest ticketed price. These jawns cost $325 retail.

from what store

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Polo

[Qawee]

oh word? i'm gonna have to hit the spot up next week on payday, the polo store is always sending me emails, too bad its a 2 hour journey (round trip)

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I'm talking about the polo Ralph Lauren outlet, not the mansion or any regular polo/ RRL store. Shit it took me over an hour to get there from the trap.

[Qawee]

ah yeah thats actually what i'm referring to as well, the company that owns woodbury commons or whatever owns another outlet mall 50minutes-1hr from where i'm at, they have a "Polo Factory Store" there

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http://vimeo.com/19364768

[Qawee]

some of their stuff looks good, i dont know how i feel about all those rivits around the waist though

[lambmeet]

I searched for a denim thread and found nothing.
What brands of denim do you prefer?
http://www.surplusclothing.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/nudie-logo.jpg
http://shop.nudiejeans.com/

[!@#$%]

it's the 'price points on high end denim' thread i believe
will merge

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I searched for a denim thread and found nothing.
What brands of denim do you prefer?
http://www.surplusclothing.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/nudie-logo.jpg
http://shop.nudiejeans.com/


never owned a pair but have heard the quality of nudies sucks.

[lambmeet]

Nudies hold up very well if you leave them unwashed for as long as possible.
I work in a dirty shop and have been wearing various pairs of them everyday for years, still unwashed and still look clean. Strange actually, because when you wash them or get them wet, they collect dirt/oils quickly.

[IHATEU]

this is funny. i only read the last page and its humorous at best...
you will not find another pair of jeans better then RRL, APC or Imogene and Willie... maybe Acne getting an honorable mention...some might be scared off of the prices but then you really dont want a good pair of Denim jeans and should stick to a pair of levis which are just fine...
i visited Nashville JUST to go to Imogene and Willie and it was such an amazing store and your jeans are fitted exclusively for you. then they get the tags sewn in, stamped and dated.
*EDIT FOR PHOTOS I TOOK DURING VISIT...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5124/5284930848_9f7f441f14_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5202/5284930808_a8cfc17877_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5009/5284332949_42f53ca522_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5249/5284332905_cb804d8243_b.jpg

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One of the rivets fell off my rrl joint. Thoroughly pissed. What about samurai, iron heart or levi's big e? I heard apc's are very mediocre.

[lambmeet]

those imogene and willie jeans look very nice.
what style and wash are those in your picture?

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i would speculate that those are raw.

[IHATEU]

Barton rigid...
and take your RRLs to the store and speak to a manager they will replace that for free, they are usually really accommodating, not sure where you live but if you can get to the RRL barn in the Hamptons its unreal... also the Garrage on Melrose in LA is another great location of theirs...

as far as APC. my thing is how they wear in and honeycomb. out of all the denim i wear APC by FAR wear in the best. with that said the quality of denim is not that of RRL or I&W... so they wont last as long but fuck they just wear in so ill...
im such a nerd

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I'll probably never go to the hamptons for a pair of jeans but I'll probably stop by the rrl soho store. Thanks for the advice. Also what style of apc's are most like 501's? Did you size down 2 on your apc's?

[IHATEU]

for sure size down two. the stretch is so awesome and get to fitting perfect. i have one pair of "New Standard" and two pairs of "New Cure" the later prob fitting closer to levis and less stiff even from point of purchase...
yea i go to the RRL stores just to experience them and see all the cool shit they have. relics and one of ones. sick americana etc etc...
they have two in NYC though. one on Bleecker and one on Prince... Prince is a tad bigger but they are both tiny...

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Went to Prince st location today and the manager told me he would replace my jawns. super excited about that. he told me that i was the second person today to complain about the rivets falling off. i've been to the bleeker one before and your right both are mad small. first time at the prince st location.

[IHATEU]

wow im shocked, i mean im a talker so i can usually get my way but thats shitty. i walked into the one on Melrose with a zipper issue(pause) and they gave me a brand new pair on the spot.

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Mission accomplished. Exchanged my jeans with another pair today. The manager I talked to yesterday was not in and some tpwf fuck decided to give me mad attitude. First he couldn't find my size until his more helpful coworker checked the shelf right next to the one the lazy tpwf checked. Then it was a game of 20 questions on how I acquired my jawns. Who keeps receipts for gear that was purchased 6+ months ago? Fucker.

[IHATEU]

there you go... glad it worked out.

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http://images.instagram.com/media/2011/07/10/a5a63c529043402cb7bbd400dc5c81f7_6.jpg

[IHATEU]

Scott Morisson of Evisu (yuck!) fame just opened up a "high end" denim store on Mercer in NYC.
cant say im a fan. the place is too clean and the price points are fucking wilding. if you want a custom pair its 150.00 just to talk about it (set up a consultation) and the cheapest pair are 500.00. you can walk in off the street and purchase a ready to wear pair for about 300 and up. the brand is called 3x1. im sure his name will carry him a bit with this endeavor because of all his Evisu minions but for how good he made shit when he was at Paper i think he has fallen from grace. the workers there trying to pop off saying "we are the only place in the world that offer this service". i mention I&W has since 07 and one dude dindt even know what that was. if your gonna open a spot like this up you have to hire people in the know with high end denim or even denim in general.
the upside of this place are the looms of denim and how many different types they have. that part is unreal.

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You're right, it went to shit when this dude took over. Made in china bullshit. Also the blacks have ruined evisu as well.

[IHATEU]

omg between them and the fucking mass amounts of bootlegs of that crap that brand got run into the ground. im glad i never liked them anyhow, way too big for my tastes...

[Qawee]

nah bros evisu makes the best jeans rappers told me so

[IHATEU]

polo jeanz co.

its in the name br0!

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i remember there used to be polo jeans co in every mall...

also, i have to admit i own 2 pairs of evisu from the mid 00's. FML.

[IHATEU]

big pants are big! stitching designs are designed!
maybe we should take this to PM haha its like me and you in two threads...
its too bad this section is so dead, there are a few really cool threads. same threads might even get some momentum in ch0...

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lulz... if we take it to the pm tip, this thread will for sure die.

[Red Auerbach]

I know it isn't "high end" denim, but....

I picked up my first pair of Levi's Shrink to Fit 501's

What's best to do?
Soak and wear 'em dry?
Or never washthem, and febreeze/ hang on clothesline.
Thus is a rookie question, i know...
They're fuckin Way too big and could use a shrink,
But i dont want to lose the raw/rigid coloring right away.

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Hot soak for 40 minutes to an hour and they should shrink the length will also shrink 2 inches so hopefully you got the a little longer or sag them shits. Try wearing them as much as possible for at least 3 months then do your next soak or regular wash and you should start seeing whiskers, honeycombs, etc.

[!@#$%]

denim will ALWAYS stretch back out
so if it were me and they were far too big to begin with
don't hold back.. hot soak and hot dry

[CLICK-CLACK]

They will stretch but your not gonna get the length back with stf's.

[Red Auerbach]

Thanks folks.

Im not worried about length, i always rock big countryboy cuffs, so i but em long.

I'll keep ya updated.

[IHATEU]

eeeek! never ever dry, let alone HOT dry.
wear them shits in the shower or into a lake/creek... and dont wash them until you REALLY need too. thats how you will get illing whiskers...
also the stiffness will be outro as soon as any hot water touche them. are they raw? i dont know much about levis other then one premium pair i have but those are raw and were made mega limited in like 2004.

[Red Auerbach]

ya i dont put any jeans in the dryer.


These are raw. I can easily wear em for a while, i dont mind the stiffness, i think my only concern is that I ordered larger, as per instructions, and theyre fuckin huge.

i think I just gotta sack up and wear em daily for a solid month and take it from there.

someone told me that before i spend money on nice denim, to buy a pair of levi's STF in order to see/feel/experience how real denim wears, breaks in, and develops.

[IHATEU]

oh ok if they are raw your all set. if they are too big for you then wear them in the shower with HOT water. they will loose a bit of stifness but thats the cheap way and it will get your whiskering on the move.
the BEST way to get them to fit exactly as you like is to go get them tailored. worth every penny man.
all the other tricks mentioned are more for feel and wearing them in. all of my jeans have some sort of tailoring and even one fit to me from cut...

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Does anybody know if all cuts of RRL jeans come in raw?

[IHATEU]

mods not keeping up...
shit is annoying, spam even with photos now!

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Does anybody know if all cuts of RRL jeans come in raw?

This got lost in the spambot matrix...

IHU...

[Mercer]

If you use the report button every moderator gets an email instantly with a link to the offending post.

[IHATEU]

This got lost in the spambot matrix...

IHU...

aside from cords and limited run materials, i have not seen RRL jeans in non-raw denim form in at least a decade.

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Maybe I'm nit saying the right terminology... I'm saying denim thatS just indigo with no washes. Both my slim and straight legs have some sort of distressed look to them.

[IHATEU]

yea for sure they have them just strait raw with no wash or distress... they have them in normal indigo and black. most all others i have seen have some sort of "look" to them...

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http://distillery.s3.amazonaws.com/media/2011/09/15/b4a2703ec5af47ae98faa93fc45c0533_7.jpg

target sells selvage now. lol.

[lambmeet]

http://shop.baldwindenim.com/category/men

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have you copped any of that baldwin?^^^

[lambmeet]

i haven't. the henleys look nice,.
thinking about buying a pair.
i have never owned selvage or chain stitched hems.

https://www.selfedge.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_filter_result&categories_id=&options_9=250

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i just got my jeans back from getting hemmed (chain stitched) from rrl. the hem is even but the stitch is kinda uneven. oh well guess it adds character.

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http://i55.tinypic.com/2ykmlg9.jpg

[IHATEU]

other then the summer and i wanna air out my legs with a high clam digger cuff, can not for the life of me cuff any jeans. shit is stupid looking, idk...

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i usually do the fold once steez:
http://distillery.s3.amazonaws.com/media/2011/08/21/efbcfcb8574949948246fa549be24ae2_7.jpg

[metronome]

^
YUP
Also I hate having my shit drag on the ground

[MAR]

I have a few pair of nice jeans. I have Proportion of Blu, Surface to Air, and Idoc Radec. All three are great jeans. The cut on the PoB jeans is the best to me. It's got room were it counts, a slim leg and a bit of stretch. They are Japanese raw indigo (loom woven? I forget.) denim, so they are kinda ridged but at the same time are super comfortable.

The Surface to Air denim is awesome but its a little skinny for me. It's a super comfortable, soft japanese denim jean. Overall S2A is one of my favorite companies.

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The Japanese run the denim game.

[swif1]

Thanks for the contributors in this thread. It has definitely helped me gain some knowledge in the denim game. It sucks there aren't any shops around here that I can try on pants. The best I can do is shop on Self Edge and examine the measurements and/or buy pants and do exchanges like a mafucka. Time to do moar researching! Whoop whoop!

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Come to NYC, we got the best spots for jeans.

[IHATEU]

nashville is worth the trip if your closer then nyc and la has several rrl stores so depending on where you iive.... and yah, japs soured the game bad imo...

[swif1]

Thanks for the heads up, guys! From the sound of things, are the both of you saying the Japanese have a stronghold in the market in a bad way?

I just did a quick Google search for Japanese denim (http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=japanese+deni#hl=en&sa=X&ei=dcCMTuPMD6i2sQLrq62nBA&ved=0CCoQvwUoAQ&q=japanese+denim&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=6d0a79aace255013&biw=1143&bih=802) and clicked on the following:

http://www.nakedandfamousdenim.com/ (This is obviously a company that put in work in the SEO department)
http://www.authenticforum.com/dry-denim/52167-what-japanese-denim.html
http://www.denimsandjeans.com/category/japanese-denim/
http://blog.denimgeek.com/archives/208
http://hypebeast.com/2011/01/the-history-success-of-japanese-denim-momotaro-jeans/

For the most part, it's just praise. To be more specific, are you implying that the Japanese (companies) essentially saturated the denim market making it difficult for smaller companies to get by? As you can tell, I'm not well-versed with this industry but I am very curious to know more about it.

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I personally don't care. IMO japan has the best selvage denim, that's why US Jean makers like RRL and Levi's Vintage Clothing use Japanese materials. Japs are just way into Americana and sometimes do it better than Americans.

[5amshift]

The Japanese run the denim game.

Seriously. Every fashionably Japanese dude rocks denim so well.

[IHATEU]

i ment the market and the japs participating in the game. not the denim they make. hell i cant hate RRL uses jap denim. what i ment was japs running up the prices on vintage meets and buy backs. and japs playing out shit and creating hype beasts so to speak... i still respect US Cone Mills selvage denim and anything woven on US shuttle looms...

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Ihateu or anybody else...black denim- has anybody ever copped and what was the evolution (fades, whiskers, etc.) like?

[swif1]

Ahh I see. Thanks!

[IHATEU]

grey denim is better for fading and wiskers etc etc. i only have one pair of RRL black denim and only have worn them once. not totally my thing but i did need a pair for the collection. i would say you will get nice fade etc if you wash them once with a coin size amount of bleach or get at them with fine grit sand paper.

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I've never done the sand paper deal. I feel that it's cheating in my unrational head. My wife had a pair of black rrl jeans which she returned because of the back pockets, now she's regretting it.

[IHATEU]

ive only done the sand paper once just to try it. i watched this spanish dude at Immogine that does all the plus washed and i guess it inspired me. it came out ok but that guy was so good it looked perfect.

[swif1]

What are your opinions of Naked and Famous?

www.nakedandfamousdenim.com

They don't seem bad for the price. I like the fact that Neiman Marcus has a few of their stuff I can actually try on rather than ordering/exchanging/refund.

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What are your opinions of Naked and Famous?

www.nakedandfamousdenim.com

They don't seem bad for the price. I like the fact that Neiman Marcus has a few of their stuff I can actually try on rather than ordering/exchanging/refund.

I peeped the n and f jeans a couple of days ago, I dunno they seem very flimsy compared to my rrl's. My guess they are 12-13 oz. and rrl's are 14.5 oz. But I like my jeans extra rigid (pause) and the naked and famous folded over when I picked them up. Rrl's were like plywood.

Cop them and report back, maybe they're the shit, maybe not. How much do they run? Seems like they're the next nudies.

If you got a barney's they got a nice selection of selvedge as well.

[swif1]

Ha. I just scrolled up and saw I had a link to Naked and Famous' site about Japanese denim up top. From the look of things, they start at $125. I did a brief research on the company and its owner and decided why not. I plan to cop these (http://www.karmaloop.com/product/The-Weird-Guy-Jeans-in-Indigo-Selvedge-/139026).

http://assets.karmaloop.com/vendor/NKF/zoom/011083zoom6.jpg

Here's another link (http://www.parkandbond.com/product/85025097) to the same pair elsewhere, although I noticed the button upfront is different.

I didn't announce it on here, but I recently acquired this (http://kilosandgrams.com/site/2010/crooks-castles-x-kr3w-x-denim/) on sale.

http://kilosandgrams.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/crooks-krew-denim-5.jpg

I let my brother wear them one night and he blew chunks and pissed in them. They went into the washing machine then into the dryer (gasp!). I wasn't the one doing the washing, but oh well. They got ridiculously hairy/fuzzy, extremely faded, and looked like faggot pants on me so I slept in them and wear them almost everyday to stretch them back out.

I don't want to say I've become some denim freak, but this shit is quite fascinating if you ask me. The fade, whiskers, honeycomb is cool and all but that's not my main concern in buying denim jeans. What can I say? I buy what I like. When I get the N&F jeans, I'll post flicks and "review/compare" them to the APC New Standards I just ordered. I was very tempted to order the Nudies Grim Tim: Dry Dirt Organic (http://shop.nudiejeans.com/system/search/product.asp?id=884&rnum=16) because the orange lining is LOUD.

http://shop.nudiejeans.com/data/product/images/L/884_20090321143915109202.jpg

I am very well aware that all the money I am blowing on all these jeans can go to something "better", but I don't really feel like doing so (at the moment). I checked out the Imogene & Willie page and saw a pair I like so we will see. The pics you or whoever posted when visiting their shop was pretty neat.

My brother plans to buy these Burberrys (http://us.burberry.com/store/menswear/denim/brit/prod-37607681-steadman-slim-fit/) so that's another pair of jeans I can wear.

http://burberryltd.scene7.com/is/image/Burberryltd/0e15ca5cd4adb54b5ad6d59c697c3e6c4ab15e70?$prod_mai n$

Oh yeah. This is cool: http://hypebeast.com/2011/11/raleigh-denim-hand-dipped-indigo-video/

/end terribly structured post due to tiredness

[swif1]

My APCs just came in. They are easily the stiffest pair of jeans I have ever owned. With that said, I don't think I will move forward with the N&F purchase although 20% off sounds quite tempting.

[IHATEU]

wait until your APCs break in. you will be siked. they soften up so dont stress that.

[swif1]

Thanks! I look forward to it all. I've read that I'm supposed to buy one size smaller than my actual size to account for stretch, but fuck that. I'm content with these. I plan to coerce my brother into getting the New Cure's in place of the Burberry's though. That way I can utilize the aforementioned advice. Heh.

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It's gonna stretch like a motherfucker.

[swif1]

Which? The pair that I currently own? Surely throwing them into the dryer will shrink them. Instead of buying one size smaller, I bought it one size larger.

[CLICK-CLACK]

Any apc. You should size down 2 at least 1. I don't own a pair but I've read enough about them. Throwing them in the dryer weakens the fibers.

[swif1]

Word? If I got them two sizes lower, they'll look like I'm wearing jeggings. Fuck that. We'll see how these turn out in a couple months though. I appreciate your help! I ended up snagging the N&F's I mentioned earlier (http://www.nakedandfamousdenim.com/collection/men/weirdguy/indigo-selvedge.html) so I'll see how that goes.

[IHATEU]

i wear APC 2 sizes down and they fit right within a week or two. short time.
and NEVER dry jeans! hell i dont even wash mine in a machine. but all this was discussed a few pages back.

[swif1]

Haha true that. I wasn't planning on doing such a thing so think of it as a bad joke. :D My brother wore my black jeans for a night out and managed to vomit and piss himself retarded. My mom was off the following day so she washed it while I was at work. I measured the jeans after the wash and wore them. Straight up jeggings, brah. I compared the measurements to the APC Petite Standards and New Cure if I were to go two sizes down and noted the APCs were .5 - 1.25"inches longer in diameter at the thigh, knee, and leg opening. Needless to say, one size down would be the best choice.

The fit of the jeans after getting washed/dryer'd was absolutely ridiculous and I don't want to wear anything remotely close to those measurements ever. I don't understand why guys thinks it's epic to have their jeans literally hug their thighs and calves.

Oh yeah, I decided against the N&F's and moved forward with the Petite Standards (APC). The first pair of APCs I bought (as mentioned a few posts above) are the New Standards.

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i wear APC 2 sizes down and they fit right within a week or two. short time.
and NEVER dry jeans! hell i dont even wash mine in a machine. but all this was discussed a few pages back.


i can't fuck with a handwash (because i'm lazy). Gonna visit my folks during xmas and they got a brand new dope samsung washing machine with all the "handwash" setting. cool story br0, just wondering what kind of detergent do you use? i've always used regular detergent for my jeans but i really didn't give a fuck back then and I want to make my RRL's last. I'm also thinking about using Dr. Bonners for the first wash, but again I'm lazy and don't feel like tracking that shit down. Is cheers for dark clothes sufficient?

edit: i see red is in here... how are those 501 STF's?

[IHATEU]

i dont really fuck with any detergent. i usually wear them into the shower and let the run off clean them then i scrub em a little. thats are for my best jeans. otherwise i would just use Woolite DARK. i have herd of Bonners but im like you, dont wanna go out of my way to find it...

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there's also a school of denim nerds stating that if you don't wash with detergent, the bacteria will wear out the denim quicker. fuck....

[swif1]

At the same time, I've read that the bacteria dies when you store your jeans in the freezer. Who to believe?! .__.

[IHATEU]

i have never herd either of those things. thankfully i have not reached the nerdism level of those people...

[swif1]

It's been a week since I've gotten the Petite Standards. Holy fuck they were snug and still are--around the thighs and seat. I've been wearing them around the house and while I sleep so hopefully one more week of this nonsense will help. Ugh.

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Everything you need to know about denim.
http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php?/topic/12676-superdenim-encyclopedia-read-me-before-posting-a-new-thread/

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Me and my lady's RRL jean collection.
http://distilleryimage0.instagram.com/5eb2bdd82ad211e1a87612313804ec91_7.jpg

[IHATEU]

that looks like me after a day of visiting the LA spots but add about 10 more of them classic white tees.
cool photo...

[lambmeet]

Curious, how slim are the slim fit RRL? Comparable to say a Nudie Thin Finn for example? Thanks!

[CLICK-CLACK]

Don't know much about Nudies other than the fact that they are popular amongst the blacks. Slim fit for RRL is not that tight, they kinda fit like Levi's 514.

[IHATEU]

nudie thin finn? holy shit that sounds lame... fuck "jean Co.s" with zero history.

[lambmeet]

Ya'll are way too kewl.
Everything is shit, lame and over rated.
as far as zero history goes idk, i myself have been buying them for about 10 years without any complaint.
I've owned a lot of different pairs of higher end denim, apc, J Brand, Meltin Pot, Levi Capital E, AG, Seven, WESC but i still prefer Nudie.
Hate all you want but in my eyes they put out a great product, jeans that wear in great and last quite along time.
These are looking good to me..
http://shop.nudiejeans.com/system/search/product.asp?id=2467&cm=127&page=1&rnum=19
http://shop.nudiejeans.com/system/search/product.asp?id=2265

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Don't forget True Religion and Rock and Republic. SMH.

[lambmeet]

Really?! hate, hate, hate!
What are you getting at?
True Religion are for the blacks.
Keep shaking your head.

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What I'm getting at is that those Jean companies that you listed are shittily made and massed produced with the exception of APC (and to some those can go in the shitty category as well). Those are like the "designer" jeans that were so popular during the 80's.

Yes, True Religion are for the blacks but they are getting "off dat" and going the Nudies route. Before they were rocking True's I observed blacks rocking 7 For all Mankind (another brand you mention).

[Inappropriate_Responder]

im pretty freaking pissed

when to the Lo' outlet in Orlando

copped some good shit

but at the same time i didn't look at the tags properly and purchased these without trying them on:

http://i43.tinypic.com/1zywlz9.jpg

bad move tpwf style

now i have tight pants in my closet. fucccccc 300+miles to return and re-buy

[IHATEU]

What I'm getting at is that those Jean companies that you listed are shittily made and massed produced with the exception of APC (and to some those can go in the shitty category as well). Those are like the "designer" jeans that were so popular during the 80's.

Yes, True Religion are for the blacks but they are getting "off dat" and going the Nudies route. Before they were rocking True's I observed blacks rocking 7 For all Mankind (another brand you mention).

after reading his list you should have figured your response was falling on deaf ears. meltin pot? what in the fuck is that??? capital E? wut? "i myself have been waring them for 10yrs"
wow 10 full years!!!!
also you forgot to mention that company the wiggers LOVED that had that dumb squiggle on the rear pocket. you could find them in china towns bootlegged for 10.00....

[Qawee]

im pretty freaking pissed

when to the Lo' outlet in Orlando

copped some good shit

but at the same time i didn't look at the tags properly and purchased these without trying them on:

http://i43.tinypic.com/1zywlz9.jpg

bad move tpwf style

now i have tight pants in my closet. fucccccc 300+miles to return and re-buy

cant you return to your local outlet?

[noverNYC]

i think nudies, APC and g-star are the best jeans out right now