The Final Debate Showdown...

[DETO]

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discuss.

[porque]

...once again...i can't wait...i got my 12pack chillin' in the fridge right now...i'm wanna hear some below the belt remarks...kerry playing off of christopher reeves for stem cell research (...that's just immoral)...bush saying that kerry is only trying to import poisonous canadien drugs becasue he 'hates old people'...things could get dirty...

...on another note...did you guys hear that the nra offficially endorrsed bush today and said they were going to spend 20 million on campaigns against kerry...who they referred to as a 'phony' hunter...

[snowkid]

ten minutes left. come on kerry

[Nekro]

Hells yes, let's get down and dirty on these bitches!

[Nekro]

Holy crap, this moderator is old as shit.

[snowkid]

for real, this could be the deciding event.

[Nekro]

What is it with bush and winking? He looks like he's going to molest me.

[Poop Man Bob]

Nekro - haha, my woman just mentioned the exact same thing.

[Nekro]

Here it comes, wedge issue questions for Kerry and softball marshmallow questions for Bush.

[Poop Man Bob]

Freedom is on the march.

[the_gooch]

hunt for osama?? in iraq???

[Nekro]

What is with how he said "exaggerations?"

[the_gooch]

england is ok to get flu vaccine from but canada isn't ok to get meds from??

[Nekro]

Isn't this supposed to be the domestic policy debate?

"we relied on a country out of england.." wait a minute, what do you say to tony blair? what about poland?

[the_gooch]

prior-tize???

[porque]

...that sounds like one of those...uh..exaggerations...

[Nekro]

Yo, what is up with bush? He sounds almost... sane.

"I will fight for hardworking american families"- every politician ever

[Nekro]

The man who ran up a $600,000,000,000 deficit does not get to talk about not paying for programs.

[Poop Man Bob]

Bush didn't say that about Osama?

13 march 2003 press conference:

Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

[Nekro]

Ooh, bush looks worried.

[Poop Man Bob]

Ceiling fans from China.

Wow, Kerry, that's up there with "you forgot Poland."

[the_gooch]

i want to fill jennas tax gap

[Nekro]

LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL

Yeah keep saying it bitch, you're the one with the kool aid sipping foriegn policy and the big government domestic policy.

[the_gooch]

jobs of the 21st century? where in pakistan??

[Poop Man Bob]

Is Bush drooling? Or is that a cold sore?

[the_gooch]

"school districts that are working"

[the_gooch]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob@Oct 13 2004, 08:18 PM
Is Bush drooling? Or is that a cold sore?
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foaming at the mouth

[Poop Man Bob]

Tony Soprano? Man, they're fucking cut-rate comedians. Let's be serious.

[the_gooch]

my loans got cut!

[Poop Man Bob]

Bush - "WOO!"

[Nekro]

Bush sounds like a retard.

How fucking obvious is this guy? Exaggerations, misstatements, Massachussetts, someone memorized the talking points.

[porque]

...bush likes the word 'litney'...it means 'lots of'...

[the_gooch]

hahah was that a joke??

[Poop Man Bob]

Jesus fucking Christ I want to punch Bush in his stupid ass smirky face.

[Nekro]

Ted Kennedy, how fucking transparent can you get?

Oh man, I know George Bush is an asshole. You can't talk about tolerance, respect, and dignity when you want to ammend the government to exclude people from getting married.

[Nekro]

"A plan is not a litany of complaints." No, a plan is a series oversimplified slogans and focus-grouped sound-bites!"

Wonkette rules.

[the_gooch]

that's good he mentioned cheneys daughter

[porque]

...oh shit...kerry pulled the 'dick cheny's daughter is a lesbian' card...boo-ya...point

[Poop Man Bob]

Nice Bible quote aimed at pointing out the hypocrisy of Bush's faith.

[the_gooch]

quoting the bible, lets see if bushy can back up his religious beliefs....

[porque]

...kerry's gettin all religious...

[Poop Man Bob]

Kerry just destroyed that Catholic/sin question. Fucking out of the ballpark.

[Nekro]

Bush keeps throwing out these buzzwords.

[Nekro]

I've been in abstinence education. It's retarded.

[Nekro]

"activist lawyers"

[porque]

...i slept with two girls from abstinence eduaction...

[porque]

...it's like bugey's and horses and stuff...

[Nekro]

Liberal media... hahahahaha!

Let me quote the lewin report....

[Nekro]

Schieffer says that Kerry has a "massive plan." Yes . . . you can tell by the size of his hands.

[dear sas]

Originally posted by porque@Oct 13 2004, 05:29 PM
...oh shit...kerry pulled the 'dick cheny's daughter is a lesbian' card...boo-ya...point
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hes so sick..yeah what is that thing on bush's lip

[Nekro]

Newsflash: the cost already is in the trillions!

[porque]

...is it just me?, or if they ran at each other and started fighting like girls in the schoolyard would you guys just not be surprised at all?...

[dear sas]

thats why they put them so far away from each other?

[Poop Man Bob]

Oh, wow, I was in high school in 199something. Awesome.

[Nekro]

Most of the tax cuts go to the poor? Smells like BUSHIT!

[dear sas]

"if you pay any tax you get tax relief"
i pay sales tax-i havnt got any relief.

[porque]

....i don't think bush understands what the human rights issue is...

[Poop Man Bob]

My woman just pointed out how much they are dressed like twins today - right down to the white dots on the red tie.

[dear sas]

"...a willing worker and a willing employer to mate up..."

[the_gooch]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob@Oct 13 2004, 08:52 PM
My woman just pointed out how much they are dressed like twins today - right down to the white dots on the red tie.
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yeah, wow....hahahaa.

[the_gooch]

he just doesn't understand how the borders work......hahaha

[Weapon X]

most boring debate ever. I like how Bush is getting so visibly upset constantly.


If I was Kerry, I'd have a bulge in my jacket. To keep me updated with the score of the Sox game while Bush talks.

[dear sas]

i love how kerry drops dates and facts left and right. i also love this fast reply botton
did bush just completly aviod the question?

[Nekro]

What the fuck bitch, you can't talk about NCLB anymore! You refused to fund that shit.

[Nekro]

I too love the fast reply button.

Ooh can i lick your minority achievement gap?

[snowkid]

how many times has bush said "the 21st century" already? thats at least the 21st time

[the_gooch]

judges that are in his pocket that is

[snowkid]

religious fundamentalists

[dear sas]

damn kerry's calling him out!

[the_gooch]

bushy is back to the global test thing again

[Weapon X]

they both repeat the same ol' shit over and over again, but Bush repeats in these awful circles. But really, that Yankees/Sox game is a much better watch.

Anyone know the score on the Cards/Stros game?

[dear sas]

gooch its only you and me now

[the_gooch]

what is the status of the ny/boston game?

[Weapon X]

I've been waiting for this question.

See, I never knew Kerry was a cop. I'm sure a bunch of other people didn't know that, neither. That's cool, still.

[the_gooch]

guys i am moving to canada if bushy gets elected again. where should i start looking....lol

[Weapon X]

1-0 Yanks...bottom of the 6th. Pedro has thrown a lot of pitches, though.

[the_gooch]

ahhh ok

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by the_gooch@Oct 13 2004, 09:11 PM
guys i am moving to canada if bushy gets elected again. where should i start looking....lol
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haha, why? the rich will get tax cuts, as well as small business owners such as yourself, no? lol

[Weapon X]

haha, BUSH NEEDS TO SAY THAT "SOME OF HIS BEST FRIENDS ARE BLACK CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS!"

[the_gooch]

mend it dont end it.....hahah. i need a policy like that when the ladies kick me to the curb......"come on babe....let's mend it, don't end it.

could make a good r&b song.

[dear sas]

iv met with the black congressional caucus at the white house... :clown:

[Nekro]

The important thing in these debates is the momentum and the spin. At this point, kerry's momentum has not been stomped, neither has bush's. However, it's harder to break a losing streak than a winning streak so we're good to go.

[the_gooch]

Originally posted by Weapon X+Oct 13 2004, 09:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Weapon X - Oct 13 2004, 09:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-the_gooch@Oct 13 2004, 09:11 PM
guys i am moving to canada if bushy gets elected again. where should i start looking....lol
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haha, why? the rich will get tax cuts, as well as small business owners such as yourself, no? lol
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small business schmall business....i'll believe it when i see it.

anyway the threat needs to get out of debt before it can be set.....oh shit...haha

[Nekro]

Let's unbundle the government contracts from Halliburton.

If you pray so fucking much, why haven't you been at church in the last 3 years.

[the_gooch]

calmness in the storms by vacationing in texas every week

[Nekro]

"you're equally an american if you're christian jew or muslim, but if you're gay you can go fuck yourself"

[the_gooch]

thats was a good point by kerry: everything is a gift!

[Nekro]

The polarizing question is such fucking bullshit. Stop asking it.

[dear sas]

yeah, wtf we have unite america? lets all just get along

[Weapon X]

I think Bush has a crush on Ted Kennedy.

[porque]

...i like how bush uses easy words...

[the_gooch]

i cant tell you how much i love his wife and daughters too!

[dear sas]

stop it bush....you arnt a comedian

[Nekro]

Worst debate question ever. WORST DEBATE QUESTION EVER.

[porque]

Originally posted by Nekro@Oct 13 2004, 10:17 PM
"you're equally an american if you're christian jew or muslim, but if you're gay you can go fuck yourself"
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...no...you're supposed to go fuck somebody else...in the back...all the while remembering that you don't count...

[dear sas]

why man?? dont you care about their families and how much they have in common

[porque]

...yeah...me and the bush twins...comin to dvd soon...

[Weapon X]

that's not such a bad question. people want to see the human, light side of these guys. it's also a great way to sell yourself. people want to relate, because so many people are married and have kids.

remember to watch Daily Show tonight at 11...will it be a live one again?

[the_gooch]

an attack that you had a hand in!

[dear sas]

whats on the daily show?

what chall think? Kerry takes it for sure? by how much?

[the_gooch]

Originally posted by porque@Oct 13 2004, 09:26 PM
...yeah...me and the bush twins...comin to dvd soon...
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i got jenna thats all i want......hahaha

[Nekro]

Kerry's flossing the cancer bracelet!

[Weapon X]

Originally posted by dear sas@Oct 13 2004, 09:29 PM
whats on the daily show?

what chall think? Kerry takes it for sure? by how much?
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Kerry took it. By a lot.

Daily Show did live coverage after the 1st debate.

[seeking]

i cant even decide which jeans to buy, but i know who not to vote for.

[dear sas]

thanks weapon x

alright yall its been fun. im out

[the_gooch]

did she just say "wonk fest"???

[Dick Quickwood]

See, I never knew Kerry was a cop

he was a prosecutor, i don't think he was a cop

[imported_El Mamerro]

Wow. What a boring fucking debate. I can't even hand Kerry a definite win (Bush certainly didn't get it either) as much as I'd like to. He could've done so much better...

Best part was the spittle.

[rubbish heap]

So I slept through this one. Who won?

[Nekro]

Boring ass debate. Even for me, who watches the debate like it's the 7th game of the red sox vs yankees world series.

[fermentor666]

I watched a few minutes of this but it pissed me off too much. You know Bush just wanted to scream "I hate faggots, this country is overrun by fags" so badly.

[Fabo 2]

bush was smiling a lot while he was arguing, it made him come accross as an incinsere arsehole, a bad pr move I thought.

[none]

chq'd this with my girl last night, any chance bush can stay on topic and keep that lizard sneer of his face?


didn't think so

ez

[SteveAustin]

Kerry calling bush out when he wouldn't answer roe vs wade question. just awesome. Kerry pointing out that he avoided the question again and still didn't answer...even more awesome.

I thought Kerry took it by a land slide...but then again I'm biased.

[imported_El Mamerro]

I think Kerry would have taken it by a landslide if 80% of his questions hadn't started with "Well you see, what this current administration has done is..." and then took up most of his answering time outlining deficiencies and blaming Bush, leaving little to no time for him to explain more in detail his plans. It's a major thing he's getting creamed on forever, and it pissed me off that he didn't take this chance to dispell it. Dude, fucking EVERYONE knows Bush has blown it. There was a fucking high-grossing summer documentary on it, and every major media outlet is steady bringing up the huge Iraq mess and the economy. It hasn't done SHIT. Start saying what you are actually gonna do, and maybe you'll convince the undecided.

[DITDxCULT]

Originally posted by dear sas@Oct 13 2004, 09:14 PM
iv met with the black congressional caucus at the white house... :clown:
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Talking Point:

During the debate last night, John Kerry accused George Bush of refusing to meet with members of the Congressional Black Caucus. The President and his slippery team of spin doctors came out screaming that Bush did in fact meet the Black Caucus…but only after they had a sit-in at the White House.

Bush originally refused to meet with the Congressional Black Caucus after multiple requests. Twenty fed-up caucus members showed up at the White House gates and refused to leave until the president agreed to a meeting. Caucus members were greeted at the gate by Colin Powell and Condolezza Rice – both said “The president is not on the premises.” The team of caucus members refused to leave…and fifteen minutes later, George Bush magically appeared. [Read more (http://www.house.gov/cummings/cbc/cbcpress/2003mar10a.htm)]

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Below is the clip of Bush talking about him not being cocerned with Osoma.

"I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. ... I truly am not that concerned about him."

Exaggerating, huh Bush? See the video here (http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v003/democratic1.download.akamai.com/8082/video/notconcerned.wmv)

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Latest Polls:

Kos has the story (http://dailykos.com/story/2004/10/13/23957/657)

CBS News Poll--Kerry 39, Bush 25.

CNN Focus Group--24 on the panel; Kerry 10, Bush 7, Undecided 7.

ABC News--Kerry 42, Bush 41… but the sample is 38% GOP, 30% Dem, 28% Independent.

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More later

[seeking]

i agree with mams.
kerry should have wasted less time pointing out bush's faults, and more time explaining his plan. or at the very list. tie the two together. run down how his plan is going to fix the things that bush has screwed up, and do it point by point, so it's not broken into two speeches.

i didnt really see a clear winner. bush was better tonight than i'd seen him before, but that hardly means he was good. he's still a retard. you have to wonder how he could fuck up sooooooo bad in the first debate, then come back like an entirely different person now.

one of the things that i think kerry should have done, was pointed out that the general population does not understand how politics in the senate works, and how easily his 'no' votes can be taken out of context. and how you sometimes have to conede to certain points to get others passed. it could be explained very easily, and would have shut bush up on his 'voted against tax cuts 277 times' shit.

americans ignorance of our own system is disgusting.

[Ferris Bueller]

I find all of this to be disconcerning.
I watched the first debate and that was it. It was so lame watching the two just make attacks on eachother's flaws and even personal experience instead of expressing their views and plans. For the most part, the questions that were asked had already been asked THOUSANDS OF BILLIONS of times before.
I still don't know who I am voting for.
I think I am an idealist.

[seeking]

actually, kerry has done a decent job of pointing out what he will do, and how he will do it...it just sometimes gets lost inthe slander (which is actually pretty relivent, given the nature of the situation). i havent checked it out, but he claims on his site he has details for every point of his agenda, including how he will fund it all.

[DITDxCULT]

Originally posted by seeking@Oct 14 2004, 10:14 AM
.... i havent checked it out, but he claims on his site he has details for every point of his agenda, including how he will fund it all.
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Kerry's Plan For America [from www.johnkerry.com]

National Security (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/)
Economy & Jobs (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/)
Health Care (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/health_care/)
Energy Independence (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/)
Homeland Security (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/homeland_security/)
Education (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/education/)
Environment (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/environment/)
More issues ... (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/)

[seeking]

right, but where does he stand on the whole ewok HM and ewok.com debate?
also, what's his position on neckface and other seemingly talentless 'artists'?

cause i mean...that's the sort of issues that are important to me.

[DITDxCULT]

Originally posted by Poop Man Bob@Oct 13 2004, 08:52 PM
My woman just pointed out how much they are dressed like twins today - right down to the white dots on the red tie.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/tbrowne76/bush-kerry-twins.jpg

[DITDxCULT]

TALKING POINT:

Yesterday, Bush went back to the press section of Air Force One for the first time in almost 4 years. Like Tattoo from Fantasy Island, he said "Smiles Everyone! 19 days left!". The only weapon left in the Bush campaign arsenal is the word LIBERAL. Awkwardly enough, yesterday was the day the nation hit our legal debt ceiling and had to start borrowing from federal employees' pensions.

Bush is calling Kerry a liberal, but he's the one who's BUSTED the budget worse than any other president in US history. Forcing our congress to legally raise the debt ceiling 3 times in 3 years.

[seeking]

well, in his 'defense' he'll just say that was because of 9.11/iraq, and that we're at 'war' so of course our spending will be higher. the fact that we're in an unecessary war doesn't matter.

i wish while kerry was talking about bush's fiscal irresponsibility, he would have mentioned the contracts in iraq to hailburton and others. telling the quick story about how bush's people were paying $15million dollars for a cement factory that was actually built for $80,000. give the americans another $200 hammer to be pissed about. that's somethign they can totally relate to in every way.

[SteveAustin]

as expected....
the media is now making a big deal out of Kerry mentioning that Cheney's daughter is a.....LESBIAN...dun, dun, dun.

apparently her mother got upset and the retardlicans have now seen the light that will take the focus off of how badly bush did in the debates. they're alleging it was purely a political low blow. wow...even if it was...bush has never done that? fucking hypocrites.

edit:
and yeah...I know thats just politics...I'm just honestly sick and tired of it. its like name calling in 2nd grade.

[nomadawhat]

Yeah, the whole thing about Dicks lezzie daughter is rediculous. Edwards actually brought it up in his debate and Dick thanked him for the kind words about his daughter. But now he's pissed!!

[Poop Man Bob]

Plus Alan Keyes (Senate candidate in Illinois - Republican) called her a "selfish hedonist." The Cheneys' response? Nada.


All in all, fuck the press. They got tricked into playing it up as if it's a big issue and have now completely changed the discussion from Bush's incompetence in the debate to Kerry calling a woman what she is - a lesbian.

[POIESIS]

another debate, another complete farce.

[ModelCitizen]

Last I heard kerry was fairly moderate on the ewok issue, favoring neither writer much over the other.

[serum]

anyone try to do a google image search and type in faceless cowards?