>>> MELBOURNE - AUSTRALIA <<<

[longshlongsilver]

i just had to post a reply so we would go back to page 1 of the threds list, so sad to see us on page two for so long

[iloveyoursister]

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[longshlongsilver]

jjk

[Original R]

Originally posted by iloveyoursister@Apr 12 2005, 01:51 PM
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more more plz

[paint stained hands]

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just nicked this from the ''retarded thread'' not aus but hell fucking damage !!!

[SuPeR MaRiOo]

funky post "paint stained hands" :love2:
and hosier lane stuff looking pretty kool too :king:

[iloveyoursister]

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[iloveyoursister]

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[iloveyoursister]

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[iloveyoursister]

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[iloveyoursister]

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[led junkie]

Nice flick ganking from aussie writters. :(

[melburn city]

fukin mad post, you need to get bored more often

[Original R]

VERY VERY NICE POST MR ILOVEURSISTER

[donut king]

post more steel its good

[big bannas]

this is by far the best article I've found on the history of Melbourne's graffiti sub-culture, so I'll just let this do the talking.

Discovering Graffiti

By Christopher Heathcote
Art Monthly Australia
September 2000

Vandalism is a two edged word. Usually we take it to mean wanton destruction, but it can refer to the robust visual culture of the Huns, Vandals and Visigoths.

This original vandalism was an incoherent mess to the eyes of Graeco-Roman beholders. Brought up on the idealised forms of late Hellenism, such viewers discerned no beauty in the tribal-looking knots of vandal decorative arts.

The cultural gap was just too broad - what was later to be admired as pre-Gothic whorls, appeared to them as the fumbled scratchings of uncivilised barbarians. As in third century Rome, so, too, in modern Australia.

Vandalism is again a word with a double-meaning. The average commuter is disturbed by the tangled, gaudily coloured graffiti that covers railway carriages and factory walls. Such obvious vandalism strikes him as an offence to the civilised eye, a visible symptom of social disintegration and juvenile delinquency. But is it?

Spawned in New York during the early I970s, contemporary graffiti arrived in Australia a decade later along with hip-hop, breakdancing and rap music. It was an immensely attractive visual idiom. A far cry from the political slogans and toilet smut formerly filling the category of graffiti, the bold, bright compositions executed in spraycan enamel seemed the perfect embodiment of an emerging youth subculture.

At first the only information on the genre consisted of a documentary film on Bronx street life Style Wars, the glossy art book Subway Art by Henry Chalfant & Martha Cooper, and a B-grade feature movie Beat Street. Still, this was enough for local teenagers, who formed into groups ('crews') and, armed with spraypaint, raided railyards at night to cover trains with elaborate compositions.

After a moment of curiosity, the lens of popular culture shifted elsewhere, but graffiti had taken a hold on urban youth. More crews appeared and competitively sprayed their nicknames on trains and stations, and, of course, the authorities launched campaigns to catch the offenders.

Nowadays the Australian graffiti subculture is like a weird cross between Clockwork Orange and a Jacobean revenge drama. It is a world of daring mischief, petty crime, intense gang rivalry and pumped-up youthful swagger.

Life seems to run at a different tilt, with individuals being identified only by fanciful noms-de-guerre and conversations rattled off in a speedy argot. Artists are 'writers'; their craft is 'graff'; a drawn or painted nickname is a 'tag'; a large composition on a piece of wall is a 'piece', and so on.

Graffiti offers these practitioners far more than creative release mingled with the adrenalin rush of risk. It is a highly competitive and territorial activity, a means of proving one's mettle. Each crew uses spraycans to stake their claim on a trainline or district, with 'slashing' (overwriting) their tags over other's logos being perceived as a symbolic fight or rumble.

Top of the heap are 'kings', writers who are admired for their 'burners' (full colour compositions), their 'mission pieces' (risky works), their proficiency at 'throw ups' (improvised two-colour tags), and their prolific 'bombing' (tagging districts), 'loops' (tagging rail lines) and 'panels' (tagging trains).

Bottom of the hierarchy are unimaginative 'toys': writers who either 'bite' (copy) others or whose work is just 'wak' (inept). Everyone is out to prove him or herself top dog by embellishing their name somewhere, on something, while flouting someone.


Styles, Kings and Crews

The stylistic development of local graffiti is extraordinarily difficult to plot. Writers use 1991 to divide the genre loosely into 'old school' and 'new school', although, being a youth phenomenon (practitioners customarily retire in their early 20s), active writers have at best fragmentary knowledge of the idiom's formative days, crews and kings.

Most existing works are under ten months old, earlier pieces having been lost to fading or overpainting. For instance, in Melbourne probably the oldest visible works are just two mid-1980s tags in a difficult to access railway cutting by 'Oucher' and 'Dee' of the original TFA and DMA crews.

As for finding pieces, the best railway sites are located in 'canyons' (concrete or brick-lined rail cuttings), under bridges, at the intersections of several suburban trainlines and along walls of adjacent factories. Urban 'caves' (tunnels, large drains and derelict warehouses) are a favourite target for certain crews, as famously occurred in 1983-91 at the condemned Richmond Meatworks which was filled with a profusion of works by the DMA, PBA and Claim 2 Fame crews.

Graffiti will also appear over nights or weekends on unbroken walls in industrial areas. The most renowned of these is the kilometre long Dorset Road 'gallery' on the perimeter of Melbourne's Bayswater factory precinct. Covered with several hundred sprayed pieces, and even more marker pen tags, this is probably the longest graffiti wall in the country (although the quality is uneven). And assorted local councils have commissioned graffiti murals ('legals'), such as the highly visible piece along a retaining wall at Bondi Beach executed by 'Sweat' in I994.

Much about the character of graffiti reflects a regional context. In Sydney graffiti seems connected with working-class and unemployed youth, the most prolific NSW crews reputedly working around Redfern and the disadvantaged Western suburbs. Melbourne graffiti is a comfortable-class phenomenon a leisure pursuit of insubordinate youth from the prosperous Eastern suburbs. Perth graffiti is reputed to be neither run by teenage gangs nor highly territorial, but instead is driven by a circle of mid-20s writers.

The response of the authorities to graffiti has also shaped the genre. In Sydney, stress is placed on keeping the railways dean and tidy, with considerable effort being put into maintenance. When graffiti is detected, it is promptly obliterated ('buffed') with a coat of brown paint, so works have a brief life.

The accent in Melbourne is on policing and catching the writers. As a consequence works are not quickly painted out or removed, but left up for weeks, sometimes months, so ambitious works linger. In contrast, the authorities in Perth try to diffuse the problem by promoting the use of graffiti-proof paints on factory walls, while embracing talent and running programs which encourage writers to produce legal murals and other design work for community projects.

Writers themselves speak of regional differences in graffiti. Brisbane graffiti is said by interstate writers to tend towards lollipop colours, candy pink being a special favourite. Perth writers are proficient at illustration, their compositions often including highly detailed figures.

Pieces in Sydney tend to be compact and small in scale, often fitting into a rectangular format. Writers there also have a preference for thin, elongated lettering, with 'doo-dads' and 'arrows' (ornamental embellishments running out of letters) being crisp and not overlapping.

Kings in Sydney work with solid-form lettering, where individual letters are clearly demarcated and distinct, being made of opaque blocks of colour. Sydney is also known for its deliberately corny cartoon style.

Melbourne writers see themselves as considering the overall composition, getting shapes running on and out, like an elaborate jigsaw puzzle. For this reason, Melbourne graffiti is often unreadable to all but initiates.

Kings in Melbourne prefer the open-form lettering of a highly abstract Wildstyle, a sort of translucent, x-ray effect with the linear contours of letters interlacing as a screen of crisscrossing lines. And, where Sydney is oriented towards New York styles, there is a Central European accent to Melbourne graffiti due to an informal graff exchange.

It began a few years back when 'Puzzle' and 'Demote' went to Germany to work with crews there, a visit reciprocated by the Europeans 'Sweat', 'Loomit', 'Delta' and crucially, 'Duane' and 'Keats' of the foremost Bonn crew SF (Subway Freaks). The outcome was the adoption by some Melbourne writers of the razor edges, cropped letters and puffy, slightly inflated forms of German and Austrian graffiti.

Within these stylistic parameters, some writers certainly stand out. 'Dunit' is the most famous 'old school' writer in the country, being known for his 'blockies' and cartoon characters cleverly integrated into the lettering. 'Lemon', the longest practicing Melbourne king is much admired for countless daring pieces steadily produced since the early 1980s.

'Duel', 'Pest', 'Mars', 'Paris', 'Peril' and the unceasingly inventive 'Puzzle' (aka 'Eizzup', or puzzle backwards) are the Wildstyle kings of Australia, while 'Lost', 'Zero', 'Worm', 'Kem', 'Astrix' and 'Rash' are rising 'new school' kings. 'Demote', 'Tavern' and 'Tame' remain the unrivalled kings of Sydney & Melbourne, indeed, 'Tame' who refuses to adopt a set-style, enjoys the reputation of being the idiom's greatest local innovator.

Besides constantly reinventing lettering, 'Tame' has dazzled the scene by running tags across train carriages, experimenting with organic motifs, utilising drips and splatters as compositional devices, and even wearing 3D glasses while working to create pieces with quirky optical effects. The only person who has matched him for formal inventiveness is the now-retired 'Relic', a prodigy reputed to have been able to use a spraycan to do things thought impossible.

Older writers speak of 'Relic's astonishing skills, especially his knack of casually running off complex Wildstyle throwups. Some writers are valued for a specific contribution to the idiom. 'Sheam' devised the boldly graphic Newstyle that has since been adapted by Techno culture and his talented apprentices 'Diddle' and 'Death'. Then there are figures like 'Briner' and 'Drak', master imitators who specialise at pastiching and cleverly extending Bronx writer's styles.

The Perth writers 'Shimo', 'Mr Prinz' and 'Stormboy' redefined the use of figures in compositions, introducing muscle tone. 'Tavern' enjoys the title of Sydney's 'solo' king, having virtually covered the city's trainlines with his tag during the late ig8os, while 'Nasty' enjoys the solo king title in Melbourne - for a time his tag was on every significant wall in the Eastern suburbs.

'Castle' formulated a symbolic Geostyle, his dark imprisoning labyrinths expressing urban youth's feelings of alienation. And, playing on his crew's Stone Age name, the Cave Clan's 'Bob' honed a catchy Flintstones--like style, each piece resembling a scatter of cartoon sticks and rocks.

However, graffiti remains very much a communal activity, the highest profile being enjoyed by groups. Undoubtedly the foremost crew in the country is DMA (Der Mad Artists), a crew of kings including 'Prinz', 'Demote', 'Idem', 'New', 'Tame', 'Puzzle', 'Pronto' and 'Cure'. Other leading Sydney crews include TRC (The Rainbow Connection, aka T'he Revolution Crew), PLS (Players), TPR (The Piece Revolution) and RBS (Rebel Bomb Squad).

Melbourne's front-runner is USA (United Street Artists, aka Claim 2 Fame) which includes 'Paris', 'Peril' and 'Sense', closely followed by WCA (Wild Child Artists) formed by 'Puzzle', 'Reach' and 'Denim', and TGC (T'he Graff Connection) launched by 'Diddle'. Other significant crews include ADC (Anonymous Damage Comedians) formed by 'Castle', 'Galore', 'Sacred', 'Futile', 'Distort', 'Index' and 'Bacon', as well as RDC (Rock Der City), RCF (Rockin' City Funk), STR (Stands To Reason), CW (Crime Wave), PBA (Plenty'f Bad Apples), RFK (Run For Cover) and AFP (Always Fresh Productions).

The weirdest crew, the Cave Clan, exists at the margin Of the graffiti subculture, being admired solely for its daring. Set up to explore drains, sewers, tunnels and derelict buildings, the clan has a large cult following with branches in Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra. Besides leaving crude signpost graffitti in these locations, the crew produces a newsletter Il Draino (recent issues included details on forgotten public bomb shelters), cryptic stickers to be left in drains, tunnels, alleys, phone boxes, etc., and 'virtual graffiti', that is, material left on web-sites hacked into by clansmen.


Art connections

In some ways the graffiti subculture resembles the art scene glimpsed in a crazy mirror. The ever-present rivalry, the inflated jargon, the urge to get compositions on all
available wallspace, the desire for supremacy over one's peers - it's all concentrated there in miniature.

Even identifying artists by their nicknames is not unknown. After all, Tommaso Guidi has entered art history as 'Bad Tommy' (Massacio), Domenikos Theotokopoulos as 'The Greek' (El Greco), Barberelli as 'Big George' (Giorgione), Jacopo Robusti as 'Little Dyer' (Tintoretto), Domenico Garguilo as Mike the Knife' (Micco Spadaro), and Angelo Cosimo as 'Master Bronze' (Bronzino).

Despite similarities, graffiti is conducted according to different ground rules. There are no teachers, curators and critics who train, pick and push talent along a defined career pathway; there is not the slightest possibility of receiving public acclaim or an income for one's efforts; and while graffitists can suffer much for their art, their main fear is neither poor reviews nor neglect, but abrupt arrest followed by criminal conviction. Several kings have spent time in prison for graffiti offences.

Of course, assorted artists have been long been interested in, even influenced by graffiti in its diverse forms. Overseas figures including Antonio Tapies, Jean Dubuffet, Joan Miro, Alberto Burri, Cy Twombly and the Cobra painters, and in Australia, John Olsen, Mike Brown and Howard Arkley, have used graffiti-like notations in their works.

Inspired by New York trains, the early 1980s even saw an impressive roll call of artists (including Mirka Mora, Clifton Pugh, Les Kossatz, Merrin Eirth and Sandra Leveson) painting murals on the sides of Melbourne trams.

It has not been a one-way influence either. While they are viewed with suspicion by their peers, a cluster of the better writers have attended art schools, indeed, several leading Perth writers are graphic design graduates. Some Sydney and Melbourne practitioners have found work in design or architecture ('Panic', 'Akeem 2', 'Puzzle', 'Duro', 'Apex', 'China', 'Sumo', 'Index', 'Lemon', 'Duke', 'Flick' and 'Mesk'), while 'Kangol' was an assistant at Heide gallery.

Such writers have introduced a level of visual intelligence into the idiom, sometimes producing more historically-aware pieces. The art of the Middle Ages is often visually quoted in their graff, certain writers having a passion for such work.

For instance, 'Castle', 'Sacred' and 'Sole', devotees of Celtic design, made trips to Canberra's National Gallery to scrutinise The Book of Kells (likewise, the ig8os Bronx writers, 'Ramellzee' and 'Little Angel' studied Gothic manuscripts at the New York public library). Such writers can use elements from Gothic and Islamic decorative arts in pieces, although the allusions are not always Mediaeval.

The Cave Clan's 'Bob' uses an adroit biomorphic-abstract idiom indebted to English surrealism (his forms recall Roland Penrose, Julian Trevelyan and Yves Tanguy). All
the same, graffiti has quite a way to go before it is accepted on the art scene. There have been a smattering of shows at assorted galleries (City Gallery, Span, Sydney's MCA, Meatmarket Craft Centre, even the NGV's access space). And, of course, 'Bo-Zone' set artists gossiping in the mid-ig8os when, using a template, he notoriously sprayed his enigmatic tag outside every respected contemporary art space in Melbourne and Sydney.

But no major writer has been taken into the stable of a dealer. Not that this has happened overseas either. If the 1980s saw Bronx graffitists including 'Futura 2000' and 'Phase 2' exhibiting in Soho, while 'Crash' and 'Daze' joined the prestigious Sidney Janis Gallery, within five years they had all been dropped.

Art can be anything in the age of postmortem pluralism - except, it appears, for graffiti.


Rebels or conformists?

Despite the indifference of the art scene, exalted claims have certainly been made for the genre.

As early as I974 the American essayist Norman Mailer praised graffiti as the 'manifestation of social freedom' by the disadvantaged, a view reiterated by the British sociologist Dick Hebdige in his 1979 book, Subculture: The Meaning of Style. 'Graffiti can make fascinating reading,' Hebdige wrote. 'They draw attention to themselves. They are expression of impotence and a kind of power, the power to disfigure.'

But it is probably the New Yorker's Adam Gopnik, in the catalogue for MoMA's celebrated show High & Low: Modern Art & Popular Culture, who has made the grandest pronouncements. Recent railway graffiti is, he insists, the 'maddest excesses of Barcelona modernists ornament' meets Disneyland.

For Gopnik, every piece represents 'modernism made into a folk culture. It is the expression of an independent group of makers who had set themselves off from their own society, and began a highly structured competition to one-up the last man... The subway writers [have] absorbed what had become by the late 70s the commonplaces of modernism as they had eated the entire culture...'.

Such sentiments suggest that spraycan graffiti has been the most Photo Tom Gascoigne. accomplished visual language of the 20th century's fin de siecle. Yet this is hard to swallow if you've actually looked at much of it. Those highly appealing decorations of screaming colours, intertwining letters and hypnotically gaudy forms are the exception, not the rule.

For every talented writer there are a dozen mediocre crews coating walls with 1970s Oldstyle bloated letters, not to mention innumerable scribblers who deface all possible surfaces with illegible marker pen scrawls.

The uncomfortable truth is that much graffiti is a drab, ugly mess. Little of it jumps above the level of wannabe Science Fiction illustration or Schoolboy Surrealism which has been jazzed up with shiners, drop shadows, 3D effects, scrolls and other rudimentary signwriting tricks.

Why is graffiti still so artistically undeveloped? Because the upcoming writer is locked in a situation in which the forms and conventions of his craft are so established that they obstruct creativity. Dull uniformity is enforced, with writers of mediocre ability seeing it as their duty to obliterate works that stray from a narrow path - for a brotherhood of self-styled non-conformists, most graffitists are vigilantly conformist.

Many teen writers also have no higher aspiration than to produce provincial copies of famous New York pieces (often by 'T-Kid' and 'Skeme'), some even borrowing the names of their Brooklyn idols. The cultural cringe undeniably prevails in graffiti circles.

Given that mimicry occurs so widely, it is no surprise that real innovation is reviled. This is where the graffiti subculture differs most from the art scene. Unlike artists, the average 'new school' graffitist has no respect for masters of the discipline, and will habitually spray his or her own hamfisted efforts over works that are either too technically proficient, or stretch the parameters of the genre.

Indeed, one crew, the infamous CTSA (City Transits Slashing Art), has for over a decade exclusively defaced major pieces by overpainting them with the ineptly sprayed tags 'Womble', 'D-Man', 'Joker', 'Barbie', 'Gumby', 'Spit' and 'Penguin' spiced with obscenities and swastikas.

Teenage writers may deplore CTSA, but most of them nowadays copy its behaviour whenever they target a wall. Innovative pieces are destined for rapid erasure - no wonder graffiti has been unable to change and evolve.


Art of the Canyons

Spraycan graffiti exists in a peculiar state of contradiction. Most writers want their idiom to be publicly recognised as an art form, but the same writers hold it back by censoring the talented few who buck the rules.

Add this to the facts that graffiti is illegal, that most of it is hidden in those inaccessible urban canyons and caves, and that the subculture is dominated by immature youths, and it is not remarkable that dealers, curators and critics have been slow to respond to the movement. They just do not get to see strong, mature work.

Still, anyone who is prepared to spend a few hours clambering over rusty fences and sneaking along railway lines is sure to be rewarded. Seasoned writers such as 'Demote', 'Tame', 'Puzzle', 'Duel', 'Sheam', 'Diddle', 'Paris', 'Duke', 'Bob' and 'Castle' have generated works of visible talent, skill and imaginative flair.

It is surely just a question of time before considered research into graffiti commences, and its contribution to Australia's visual culture is appreciated across the broader
art scene.

[iloveyoursister]

Originally posted by led junkie@Apr 12 2005, 07:22 PM
Nice flick ganking from aussie writters. :(
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only a couple from there. :king:

[Papa Smurf..]

Originally posted by Dipher+Apr 7 2005, 06:02 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dipher - Apr 7 2005, 06:02 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-eXtraoneeXtra@Mar 19 2005, 10:43 PM
>>From the puzle thread WORD


QUOTE (PUZLE - Mar 18 2005, 01:33 AM)
Listen up all you fools. I write Puzle and apparently these pages or whatever is a dedication to me. Well you know what you can all fuck off. I appreciate the respect and in some ways yeah I deserve it, I sweat blood and tears for this shit since 86 as did so many others. When I read through this shit I think man what has graf come to, a bunch of phony ass fucks hiding behind phony ass aliases doin no good for the evolution of melbourne or global graf. I didnt do graf for your praise, I did it because I loved doing it and I did it for myself and my mates. If your a writer and wanna pay homage to me then I would prefer you say nothing rather than posting wak downloaded JPEGs in no structured order and being informers. If your purely an observer of graf then that is what you should remain. You do not deserve an opinion in a writers forum, save those for gaymatchmaker.com. On the other hand if you choose to be constructive and wanna talk about my diverse styles/letter connections/techniques/colours etc then fine. Just coz your a writer doesnt mean you cant have a brain! If you wanna drag me into an international conversation over another writer that writes Puzle well then your even more wak. Do you think I give a fuck? No, and 'whazup' to PuzleKYT, he is obviously someone that is doing something otherwise no one would mention him. Maybe all you internet gimps should get off your ass and start sketching instead of wasting time being a fake ass on the net. Only through drawing will you discover if you have any talent. Only through persistance will you evolve. In the olskool you would have been crushed. What happened to localised scenes where people were inspired by local legends, where people worked hard and earned their respect. All action, no talk. Melbourne has always had a reputation as a city full of stylish writers, people that try take skills to another level. Only a minority seem to carry this legacy. And what now? An out for fame internet generation, where everyone wants to have a voice, 'reprasent', be famous but no one wants to earn it. Instant gratification? Fuck that. Or maybe you just do graf coz you wanna have fun, like girls and Cindy Lauper! Go out work hard like I did, sacrifice, then you will realise why this talk shit pisses me off. Surrender your wak egos!

PUZLE – "I aint no king!"
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well said. Damn why DO I use this forum? What a fucking joke. I should really know better. Also, run ups are just a waste of time, they run straight to the buff, nobody sees em so why take the risk? And it IS a huge risk when you think about it. Is train bombing truly and utterly dead I ask you? Everyone needs to go and get some different ink as well. Blacktop is ruining the insides. Need more colour inside those hitachis. Whatever happened to red and blue artline or dymark? I
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Yer Fresh man, i saw ur black top fresh gurnses today on a hatachi down franga line nice.. and fresh throwies in black aswell down franga aswell keep it real.. :innocent: :king:

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

YAWN

[revolutione]

Originally posted by TURBOCAPSLOK@Apr 12 2005, 11:36 PM
YAWN
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x2 nigga!

[Abracadabra]

i think you two might need a red bull. it gives you wings apparently

[led junkie]

Hey mr ABC arnt you going to change the tread title to something a little more localised what about MELBOURNRE AUSTRALIA -Home of Chopper READ V.B and Rex Hunt????
:burn:

[Hoblow]

Originally posted by Mr. ABC@Apr 13 2005, 01:46 PM
i think you two might need a red bull. it gives you wings apparently
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I just had a V. Much tastier and it doesn't cause abnormal mutations.

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by Hoblow+Apr 13 2005, 01:22 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hoblow - Apr 13 2005, 01:22 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Mr. ABC@Apr 13 2005, 01:46 PM
i think you two might need a red bull. it gives you wings apparently
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I just had a V. Much tastier and it doesn't cause abnormal mutations.
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yeah, i'm a v fan myself too, but red bull have a better slogan. the v commerical with the skydiving bugs is pretty cool though

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http://melbournegraffiti.com/comps/tshirt/design10-large.gif

You've got 2 weeks (end of April) to get your entries in.

THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE WINNER!!

INTERNATIONAL ENTRIES WELCOME

[iloveyoursister]

When is the sydney section going to be up on mg

[Abracadabra]

i like the one with the bling rapper type chain. it'd be fresh if that was printed onto a crisp white tshirt with silver ink. it'd be kinda ironic and funny

[led junkie]

I wouldnt wear the one with the eye on it if ya paid me.

[ZOIDLE]

:haha: :haha: :haha: BiG BANANAS- THAT IS ONE OF THE WORST ARTICLES EVER WRITTEN ON MELBOURNE GRAFFITI HISTORY, OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN BY A JERNO WHO WAS TOLD ABOUT THE SCENE BY SOMEONE WHO DIDNT REALLY KNOW EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ZOIDLE]

"For instance, in Melbourne probably the oldest visible works are just two mid-1980s tags in a difficult to access railway cutting by 'Oucher' and 'Dee' of the original TFA and DMA crews." THE SECOND PIECE EVER DONE IN MELBOURNE IS STILL ON GREY ST ST KILDA, BY GS38!!!

[Hoblow]

Originally posted by Mr. ABC@Apr 13 2005, 03:19 PM
i like the one with the bling rapper type chain. it'd be fresh if that was printed onto a crisp white tshirt with silver ink. it'd be kinda ironic and funny
Quoted post


Thats probably the only one out of the bunch that i'd wear.

[MG]

Yeah, the bling one's great. Keep posting your positive/negative comments on them!!!

[Abracadabra]

alrighty then. the only other two i like design wise are the bunny boombox and the lowrider. the only thing i don't like about the two is the mg logo placement to be honest. i don't know if you threw that on there or not as a watermark. it's not so much the logo itself i have a problem with, it's just where it's placed in the image that irks me.

[maybeuknow]

oi when is MG gonna be completely updated with all the other shit??!!

[MG]

The bunny one is nice hey, I haven't added the logo as a watermark, the designs have been left as is. Thanks for the criticism keep it comin'!.

Sydney section,, hmm, maybe I'll chuck that up tonight.

[Original R]

i would wear the last one and the bunny one lol that might look good as a chick design like for a girls tee

[big bannas]

Originally posted by ZOIDLE@Apr 12 2005, 11:50 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: BiG BANANAS- THAT IS ONE OF THE WORST ARTICLES EVER WRITTEN ON MELBOURNE GRAFFITI HISTORY, OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN BY A JERNO WHO WAS TOLD ABOUT THE SCENE BY SOMEONE WHO DIDNT REALLY KNOW EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quoted post


yeah i didnt rite that this is the best article it was already on there i just posted it to give ya's sumthin to read

[big bannas]

thanks 4 reminding me your right grand sorcecer 38 was the first piece in melbourne along with those pieces in boxhill that got capped

[loopdeloop]

cool thread

[iloveyoursister]

postwhore.

[helloU]

fuk this this sites fuked shit its fuken 2 hard 2 fukn post

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

YEAH.

[Original R]

(pretty pointless post.... bored though) all stolen but it was good looking at the hitachis again...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/11M_Burnt_Resistance_Grids.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/214M_Gowrie_05-11-1997.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/334M_Z1-37_Gardiner_3-1-95.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/336M_Level_Xing_Smash_Aug-1996.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/487M_Spark_Move_Broadmeadows_07-07-1998.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/546M_Head_On_Nov-1996.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/greenys.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/Hitachi_Flinders_St_Yard_22-11-1997.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/hitchi.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/mocmelb7zt.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/ouchy/haise.jpg

[Original R]

if the windows of the driver have been tagged on does the train still run or do the windows get buffed what happens?

[donut king]

Originally posted by Original R@Apr 13 2005, 11:29 PM
if the windows of the driver have been tagged on does the train still run or do the windows get buffed what happens?
Quoted post


these days when the train is as killed as that it goes strait to a yard for the buff

[MG]

SYDNEY SECTION NOW ONLINE!! 116 NEW PHOTOS!

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/DSC09979_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/DSC09976_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/DSC09971_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/DSC09992_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/DSC00032_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/DSC09957_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/bDSC00036x_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/DSC00012_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/bDSC00087x_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/bDSC00002x_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/DSC00071_jpg.jpg

http://melbournegraffiti.com/sydney/images/bDSC00016x_jpg.jpg

[writerone]

got any sydney steel?

[bloodrun]

http://img14.echo.cx/img14/3883/stantruck6bs.jpg

http://img14.echo.cx/img14/7559/bonestruck3ll.jpg

[Original R]

Originally posted by writerone@Apr 14 2005, 12:30 AM
got any sydney steel?
Quoted post

metal heads>>>>>> aussie steel lots of sydney stuff there

[ZOIDLE]

this is some crazy shit, this should keep yall entertained, be warned, this shit would hurt!!!!
http://www.drumpak.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1378

[dont sleep]

Originally posted by ZOIDLE@Apr 13 2005, 06:47 PM
this is some crazy shit, this should keep yall entertained, be warned, this shit would hurt!!!!
http://www.drumpak.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1378
Quoted post


The 3rd one is some funny shit im still smileing the cunt gets a caining...................... :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

[iloveyoursister]

nice sydney section.

[andthensome]

[quote=Original R,Apr 13 2005, 10:22 PM]
(pretty pointless post.... bored though) all stolen but it was good looking at the hitachis again...


you wouldnt have happened to find a photo of old joilmont would you!

[longshlongsilver]

who would have thought people were this creative, theres 17 pages of this shit, pretty funni though

http://www.clubvibes.com/forum/topic.asp?w...topic_id=336194 (http://www.clubvibes.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=1&topic_id=336194)

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

ALREADY BEEN POSTED IN CHANNEL ZERO. GET WITH IT

[extra]

Originally posted by Original R@Apr 13 2005, 12:22 PM
(pretty pointless post.... bored though) all stolen but it was good looking at the hitachis again...



thanks for the memories....
yer i remember 546M crashin.. theres been heaps of comeng crashes over the years, especially once m-train & connex took over.
yer missin those hitachis.. -everyone of those particular ones shown is dead & gone now---RIP

[raptaske]

Watsy bike shop

http://www.photodump.com/direct/RAPTA1/beok.jpg
http://www.photodump.com/direct/RAPTA1/erbon.jpg
http://www.photodump.com/direct/RAPTA1/imag01.jpg
http://www.photodump.com/direct/RAPTA1/imag02.jpg
http://www.photodump.com/direct/RAPTA1/per.jpg
http://www.photodump.com/direct/RAPTA1/rapm.jpg
http://www.photodump.com/direct/RAPTA1/serl.jpg
http://www.photodump.com/direct/RAPTA1/skert.jpg

I really dont give a fuck what u say about my piece its my 4th one ok... so get the fuck off my back

[paint stained hands]

''NO COMMENT'' :rolleyes:

[MG]

I love the RAPM. Anyway, That mosh girl is hiliarious, is it worth signing up to see the other pages??

Glad you're happy with the sydney section 'iloveursister'..

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

BASSLINE HOW ABOUT THOSE PIECES? PRETTY FRESH HUH. PLEASE POST UP SOME FLICKS OF GRAFF YOU DIG

[bassline]

Originally posted by TURBOCAPSLOK@Apr 14 2005, 11:18 AM
BASSLINE HOW ABOUT THOSE PIECES? PRETTY FRESH HUH. PLEASE POST UP SOME FLICKS OF GRAFF YOU DIG
Quoted post


i didnt comment at all for a reason.
im trying not to be negative, so I said nothing at all.
I dug some of that syd stuff etc on the previous page, that was sweet.

[Original R]

that wall in watsy where those flicks are taken has just been over run by toys there used to a nice join up then cunts just got gready for space n started cappin

[Original R]

Originally posted by extra+Apr 14 2005, 06:37 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (extra - Apr 14 2005, 06:37 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Original R@Apr 13 2005, 12:22 PM
(pretty pointless post.... bored though)*** all stolen but it was good looking at the hitachis again...



thanks for the memories....
yer i remember 546M crashin.. theres been heaps of comeng crashes over the years, especially once m-train & connex took over.
yer missin those hitachis.. -everyone of those particular ones shown is dead & gone now---RIP
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]
in a couple of years we are gonne b missing the connx and m trains

[Stats-KC-]

Rapta, Can i be in your gang?

[fukdsg]

Originally posted by Original R+Apr 14 2005, 11:36 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Original R - Apr 14 2005, 11:36 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by extra@Apr 14 2005, 06:37 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Original R@Apr 13 2005, 12:22 PM
(pretty pointless post.... bored though)*** all stolen but it was good looking at the hitachis again...



thanks for the memories....
yer i remember 546M crashin.. theres been heaps of comeng crashes over the years, especially once m-train & connex took over.
yer missin those hitachis.. -everyone of those particular ones shown is dead & gone now---RIP
Quoted post

in a couple of years we are gonne b missing the connx and m trains
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]
im missing those xtraps man RIP :clown2:

[SuPeR MaRiOo]

SHOTGUN TO BE IN RAPTA'S GANG! :king:

[godofthunder]

Sorry about the quality i really should get a digi or atleast get some film developed

[godofthunder]

no.2

[godofthunder]

no.3

[godofthunder]

no.4

[godofthunder]

thats all folks, once again sorry bout quality, but just enjoy the inner city action

[longshlongsilver]

sumone on the weekend go flik the section of line closest to you, if we all post five fliks on monday this thread will be kikn again.

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

Originally posted by bassline+Apr 14 2005, 12:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bassline - Apr 14 2005, 12:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TURBOCAPSLOK@Apr 14 2005, 11:18 AM
BASSLINE HOW ABOUT THOSE PIECES? PRETTY FRESH HUH. PLEASE POST UP SOME FLICKS OF GRAFF YOU DIG
Quoted post


i didnt comment at all for a reason.
im trying not to be negative, so I said nothing at all.
I dug some of that syd stuff etc on the previous page, that was sweet.
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

ALL GOOD.. JUST WANT TO SEE SOME MELBOURNE STUFF THAT YOU LIKE. PEACE

[Amuser]

Originally posted by raptaske@Apr 14 2005, 08:49 AM
Watsy bike shop

I really dont give a fuck what u say about my piece its my 4th one ok... so get the fuck off my back
Quoted post


Fuck man that's a throw-up

[shutupmike]

..rapta's kickin it hard

[Original R]

Originally posted by raptaske@Apr 14 2005, 06:49 PM
Watsy bike shop



I really dont give a fuck what u say about my piece its my 4th one ok... so get the fuck off my back
Quoted post

lol nobody is on ur back no ones even critased it .....it just looks like a throwie??

[led junkie]

[quote=Original R,Apr 15 2005, 12:24 PM]
[quote=raptaske,Apr 14 2005, 06:49 PM]Watsy bike shop



I really dont give a fuck what u say about my piece its my 4th one ok... so get the fuck off my back.

Your paranoid dood get off that shit your smoking and give up your wasting good paint.
You asked for it if you had said nothing everyone else would have shut up. :(

[ZOIDLE]

Tell him to get fukt rapta, smoke harder than ever(have one for me too,im at work), use as much paint as u can get your hands on, and keep that lik my fukn cok assholes attitude goin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats what id do anyway

[led junkie]

Zoidle in greek means poofter.

[raptaske]

Originally posted by Original R@Apr 15 2005, 12:26 AM
that wall in watsy where those flicks are taken has just been over run by toys there used to a nice join up then cunts just got gready for space n started cappin
Quoted post


that was had already been capped by people and we capped them not me and those guys arnt in "my gang" i dont even known them but when i went back to get flicks they were piecing

[HITLER]

Originally posted by Original R@Apr 14 2005, 11:36 PM
in a couple of years we are gonne b missing the connx and m trains
Quoted post


In a couple of years most people here wont even like graffiti.

Anyway hitachis were ridgy, mtrains are flat. Not losing much except for (decent) insides. mmm loops were fun.

[hahaha]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//586/2Burnley025-med.jpghttp://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//586/2Burnley_Cutter-St003-med.jpg
------>www.dahub.com.au<------

[bassline]

[quote=hahaha,Apr 15 2005, 04:46 AM]



word! ^^^^
... to kustom above^^^^
there you go "turbocapslock"
theres some new stuff that I like.

[bassline]

http://img92.echo.cx/img92/6973/rails0830op.jpg

HAHAHAHAAAA -good day today.....

spu-in I couldnt get the best shot of this got blocked & it was over as quick as it started, but...
these 2 tram drivers were tryin to go each other (i missed the start) but somethin about 1 of them makin a smart comment to the other.
the bald curry outside pointin gave the turban curry in the drivers seat a mouthful
the turban curry in the drivers seat stuck his finger up at the bald curry outside
the bald curry outside went in the tram to take a swing - it spilled out onto the elizabeth st tram stop ......then the other fuckhead standin on the left with the pen & pad had to break it up.
the bald curry outside was told to leave & thats him in the picture still going as the trams about to pull out...
fuckin pissa- the almost 1 time worth buyin a ticket for...

[el jesso]

im pretty sure that the rapm peice that resembles a etheopians penis was dun by rapta not the pink fill in.....no dissrespect man :clown2:

[SuPeR MaRiOo]

sick posts "godofthunder" and "hahaha"
dont worry raptaske keep at it man ;)

[kalepe]

anyone see the vas etc p's sittin at Flinders this arvo?
378M i think it was?

[Stats-KC-]

Originally posted by kalepe@Apr 15 2005, 03:21 PM
378M i think it was?
Quoted post


A life, get one.

[coldmilkcup]

Originally posted by kalepe@Apr 15 2005, 03:21 PM
anyone see the vas etc p's sittin at Flinders this arvo?
378M i think it was?
Quoted post


Settle down train taggart. Nobody except for you and extra [who is obviously the same person or your surrogate child] cares about the numbers of trains.

[iloveyoursister]

Originally posted by MrAerosol+Apr 16 2005, 02:11 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MrAerosol - Apr 16 2005, 02:11 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-kalepe@Apr 15 2005, 03:21 PM
378M i think it was?
Quoted post


A life, get one.
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]
hahahahaha.

[kalepe]

Originally posted by coldmilkcup+Apr 15 2005, 04:15 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (coldmilkcup - Apr 15 2005, 04:15 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-kalepe@Apr 15 2005, 03:21 PM
anyone see the vas etc p's sittin at Flinders this arvo?
378M i think it was?
Quoted post


Settle down train taggart. Nobody except for you and extra [who is obviously the same person or your surrogate child] cares about the numbers of trains.
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

you should think before opening your mouth, you wouldnt look as silly as you do then.
you've obviously never met a Melb writer before, because most people do.
All i have to do is write 4 digits like I did, then it saves me or anyone having to listen to or answering the 17 dumb questions that follow from rocket scientists such as yourself:
eerrrr what train was it?
eeerr...which yard (even though its sittin at flinders)
eeerrrr..was it a connex or m-train
etc etc etc

[bassline]

Originally posted by kalepe+Apr 16 2005, 01:08 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kalepe - Apr 16 2005, 01:08 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by coldmilkcup@Apr 15 2005, 04:15 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-kalepe@Apr 15 2005, 03:21 PM
anyone see the vas etc p's sittin at Flinders this arvo?
378M i think it was?
Quoted post


Settle down train taggart. Nobody except for you and extra [who is obviously the same person or your surrogate child] cares about the numbers of trains.
Quoted post


you should think before opening your mouth, you wouldnt look as silly as you do then.
you've obviously never met a Melb writer before, because most people do.
All i have to do is write 4 digits like I did, then it saves me or anyone having to listen to or answering the 17 dumb questions that follow from rocket scientists such as yourself:
eerrrr what train was it?
eeerr...which yard (even though its sittin at flinders)
eeerrrr..was it a connex or m-train
etc etc etc
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

post up if ya got em Kalepe?
Kalepe, dont worry about "coldmilkcup", hes nobody in the food chain - thats IVO or one of his fuckhead 16 year old boys hes skoolin' (cause nobody else will hang with him anymore)
& we all know what ivo is.....

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/8492/rat7xj.jpg

[longshlongsilver]

VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[doin damge]

Originally posted by ZOIDLE@Apr 15 2005, 03:37 AM
Tell him to get fukt rapta, smoke harder than ever(have one for me too,im at work), use as much paint as u can get your hands on, and keep that lik my fukn cok assholes attitude goin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats what id do anyway
Quoted post


are you the new spokesperson for fat little lebo's or something?
you complain about melbourne going down the shitter then you tell 'rapm' keep painting.
you are obviously blind or just trying to get some 13 year old ass.

[ZOIDLE]

C led junkie its not greek, Zoidle means phat in Lebo, this cunt knows whats up, I never complained about melbourne goin down the shitter, i complain about u little faggots and your shit talk, melbournes the maddest place 4 graff in the world!!!

[raptaske]

Im not fuking lebo cunt!!!! And im as sure you were probaly as toy as me when i started so shut the fuck up cock head im not the one making melbourne go down the shitter its the cunts who keep slashing other pieces, and cops lol. Im fukin sick of seeing good pieces getting slashed well aslong as i get to get a flick im happy.

[knkr]

http://img234.echo.cx/img234/6895/arabs4gw.jpg

anyone read the paper yesterday? about that greenie lp in canberara or some shit. painting up anti hoWARd messages. i have the article anyone wanna c ill scan. :yuck:

[extra]

Originally posted by knkr@Apr 16 2005, 06:14 AM
anyone read the paper yesterday? about that greenie lp in canberara or some shit. painting up anti hoWARd messages. i have the article anyone wanna c ill scan.*** :yuck:
Quoted post


oh yess please *massive sarcasm used*
id rather look at dopey pieces than listen to bloody greenies and anti government twits dribble on....
this is a graff forum not a political party forum

[shutupmike]

Originally posted by raptaske@Apr 16 2005, 02:09 AM
Im not fuking lebo cunt!!!! And im as sure you were probaly as toy as me when i started so shut the fuck up cock head im not the one making melbourne go down the shitter its the cunts who keep slashing other pieces, and cops lol. Im fukin sick of seeing good pieces getting slashed well aslong as i get to get a flick im happy.
Quoted post

shut up

[fabercastell]

rapta just dont post your crappy peices and we'll all be happy

[Transit Art]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//561/30SATY7.jpg

[Transit Art]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//561/30SATY6.jpg

[Transit Art]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//561/30saty2-med.jpg

[Transit Art]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//561/30saty3.jpg

[Transit Art]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//560/30SATY5-med.jpg

[Transit Art]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/30SATY10.jpg
http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//568/30SATY4-med.jpg

[Transit Art]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//568/30SATY8.jpg
http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//568/30SATY9.jpg

1000 POST'S BIATCHES :king:

[extra]

again, thats both your opinions.
many other people would say every name mentioned in those last 2 posts suck. many would say they are good. just cause someone does so much more than anyone else does that make them good? that argument is weak.
so if rapta does 1000 pieces by the end of this year, then is he good?

you think rapta clearly sux and any thoughts to the contrary are wrong. but when I say someone sux, why am I wrong again?
what are you the be all & end all of graff rules and laws?
people get on here & say stop being so negative critical etc etc, but then do it themselves & the rules go out the window when a rapta or a disco piece is posted.
I just dont get why there are 2 sets of rules thats all.

[Tikriminal]

http://www.melbournegraffiti.com/trains/images/119_jpg.jpg

you guys are boring

[Tikriminal]

http://www.melbournegraffiti.com/trains/images/99_jpg.jpg

[kalepe]

ok enough talking, its just going round & round in circles peoplez...

time for some flixxx..

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/4236/rails0962ki.jpg

[kalepe]

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/209/rails0975mx.jpg

[kalepe]

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/1412/rails0944xt.jpg

[kalepe]

creative...

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/5292/rails0953ck.jpg

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/5296/rails0991ap.jpg

[kalepe]

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/3856/rails1028at.jpg

[kalepe]

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/2913/rails1077ed.jpg

[kalepe]

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/4232/swanst9vc.jpg

[kalepe]

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/8014/swanst27ey.jpg

[kalepe]

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/5606/rails1199po.jpg

[kalepe]

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/7361/rails1169hp.jpg

[kalepe]

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/6816/rails1170at.jpg

[elvis1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/vicbitter/DSCF0085.jpg

[elvis1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/vicbitter/DSCF0096.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/vicbitter/DSCF0099.jpg

[elvis1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/vicbitter/DSCF0069.jpg

[elvis1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/vicbitter/DSCF0090.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/vicbitter/DSCF0087.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/vicbitter/DSCF0067.jpg
puz

[ArT OnE]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/Art_One/SV400751resize.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/Art_One/SV400750.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/Art_One/SV400738resize.jpg

[conpe]

that last merks is sweet same with the meant

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

ITS SO FUCKIN RAWWWW

[elvis1]

hey extra... it's kids like you that guy in the article was talking about. nearly everyone in that list of yours is doing something different and your hanging shit on them for that.

[extra]

Originally posted by elvis1@Apr 17 2005, 10:08 AM
hey extra... it's kids like you that guy in the article was talking about. nearly everyone in that list of yours is doing something different and your hanging shit on them for that.
Quoted post


well rapta comes from the hursty line, so are you hanging shit on him cause hes from there? no. whats that got to do with it?? about the same as your argument of "different".

wrong. im saying they are no good not cause they do something different but because they are wak.

different doesnt faze me, but if its shit, then its shit. & all those guys on that list are SHIT.

[extra]

Originally posted by ArT OnE@Apr 17 2005, 09:30 AM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/Art_One/SV400751resize.jpg


ohh yer, this is sick. This is pushin the boundries for sure... dont know why I was so blind to such raw talent.

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

EVERYONE, QUICK, BOW THE FUCK DOWN. EXTRA IS IN THE HOUSE!!!

[bassline]

Originally posted by extra+Apr 17 2005, 10:22 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (extra - Apr 17 2005, 10:22 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-ArT OnE@Apr 17 2005, 09:30 AM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/Art_One/SV400751resize.jpg


ohh yer, this is sick. This is pushin the boundries for sure... dont know why I was so blind to such raw talent.
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[/b][/quote]


:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

[bassline]

Originally posted by kalepe@Apr 17 2005, 06:34 AM
http://img124.echo.cx/img124/8014/swanst27ey.jpg
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nice post, keep the good flix comin

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

ITS SPELT JEALOUS WITH CAPITAL T, O, Y AND S

[bassline]

Originally posted by TURBOCAPSLOK@Apr 17 2005, 11:45 AM
ITS SPELT JEALOUS WITH CAPITAL T, O, Y AND S
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yer...A.K.A. "TURBOCAPSLOK"

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

TOO MANY KINGS IN HERE AKA BASSLINE - EXTRA

[el helada]

Originally posted by extra+Apr 17 2005, 08:22 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (extra - Apr 17 2005, 08:22 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-ArT OnE@Apr 17 2005, 09:30 AM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/Art_One/SV400751resize.jpg


ohh yer, this is sick. This is pushin the boundries for sure... dont know why I was so blind to such raw talent.
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[/b][/quote]

Maybe some like to have some fun with their graf sometimes and arent as gangster as you. 'Where are 'YOUR' pieces???

[donut king]

are u serious about that mercs on the last page?? hes only respected because of the people he knows. to be honest, id rather see a rapm peice than that but each to their own i guess....

[el helada]

http://www.blanktm.com/m/6gal/graffiti/panels80s/mistsaipanp.jpg

Late 80's. KINGS!!!

[Stats-KC-]

Fuck extra.. i guess its not called the melbourne EXTRAveganza for nothing, Your a goddamn king. Everybody look at extra.

:edit: was called that..meh..u still suck.

[Ass_Cobra]

keep your mouth shut and worry about yourself.
someone tell the mothers club to shut up!

[Stats-KC-]

shut up.

[el helada]

Originally posted by donut king@Apr 17 2005, 11:00 PM
are u serious about that mercs on the last page?? hes only respected because of the people he knows. to be honest, id rather see a rapm peice than that but each to their own i guess....
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Merks is a good bomber and will be writing alot longer than you, i betcha. i hope you enjoyed the rapm posts a couple of pages back...

[beantown]

Hey, I was looking for some info on the australian graff scene. Im from boston USA and am heading down to the sydney area for a month in june. If anyone could message me some info on the area and local law enforcement. thanks everyone.

[led junkie]

Originally posted by extra@Apr 17 2005, 02:55 PM
again, thats both your opinions.
many other people would say every name mentioned in those last 2 posts suck. many would say they are good. just cause someone does so much more than anyone else does that make them good? that argument is weak.
so if rapta does 1000 pieces by the end of this year, then is he good?

you think rapta clearly sux and any thoughts to the contrary are wrong. but when I say someone sux, why am I wrong again?
what are you the be all & end all of graff rules and laws?
people get on here & say stop being so negative critical etc etc, but then do it themselves & the rules go out the window when a rapta or a disco piece is posted.
I just dont get why there are 2 sets of rules thats all.
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If rapta did something good I would be giving him credit where credit is due but I aint seen nothing but crap stop sticking up for him unless your one of his TOY mates and thats why I see your giving him props..
The others you diss are clearly alot better peicing a stations, trains, and tracksides and then theres the crap legals by rapta.Your fighting a loosing battle give up before you make yourself look even more stupid thats my opinion.
:yuck:

[ZOIDLE]

Rapta, I was trying to stik up 4 u, my last post had nothing to do with you. The Meant piece at prahan is dogshit, i could have done a better piece with my eyes closed and a chisel tip for outliine. :haha: :haha: :haha:

[Hit em up]

Originally posted by el helada+Apr 17 2005, 01:52 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el helada - Apr 17 2005, 01:52 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-donut king@Apr 17 2005, 11:00 PM
are u serious about that mercs on the last page?? hes only respected because of the people he knows. to be honest, id rather see a rapm peice than that but each to their own i guess....
Quoted post



Merks is a good bomber and will be writing alot longer than you, i betcha. i hope you enjoyed the rapm posts a couple of pages back...
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[/b][/quote]

to be honest donut king we dont wanna have to read your shit, merks is having fun doing what his doing and doesnt give a fuck what you think....keep bombing merksy me and the boys are loving it :lol2:

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

YEAH DO IT FOR THE BOYS MERKSY!

[brokenglass]

...word up

[iloveyoursister]

A train sitting in a front yard of someones house in sydney.
http://img218.echo.cx/img218/5895/romeprueview0pm.jpg
Buffed now though.

[Tikriminal]

http://www.graffiti.org/escapism/images/186-01.jpg

[Tikriminal]

http://www.graffiti.org/escapism/images/186-05.jpg

[NateDog]

. The Meant piece at prahan is dogshit, i could have done a better piece with my eyes closed and a chisel tip for outliine. :haha: :haha: :haha:

Hey zoidle the only time you .................................................. ...........


*edit - leave it out

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

WAY TO DROP INFO. REGARDLESS ON WHO IT IS KEEP UR MOUTH SHUT

[SuPeR MaRiOo]

A 16 year old boy hijacked a tram in the CBD, took it for a drive picked up a few passengers and all...then finally getting cought by the pigs :five-o: and yeah...apparently his done it before at the same tram stop... anywho found that kind o funny on the channel seven news... might be on later tonight on other news but dont know... :rolleyes:

[fabercastell]

regardless what u think extra what i said was right IF rapta didnt post his pieces in here no one would be whinging and moaning liek they are

[extra]

Originally posted by MrAerosol@Apr 17 2005, 01:41 PM
Fuck extra.. i guess its not called the melbourne EXTRAveganza for nothing, Your a goddamn king. Everybody look at extra.

:edit: was called that..meh..u still suck.
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go back to blowing ivo you jealous toy

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

YAAAAAWN

[extra]

Originally posted by TURBOCAPSLOK@Apr 18 2005, 08:21 AM
YAAAAAWN
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oh you got your mouth wide open too dickhead? you wana share some of ivos cock with him aye?

[bassline]

Originally posted by extra+Apr 18 2005, 08:56 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (extra - Apr 18 2005, 08:56 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TURBOCAPSLOK@Apr 18 2005, 08:21 AM
YAAAAAWN
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oh you got your mouth wide open too dickhead? you wana share some of ivos cock with him aye?
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

:haha: :haha: :haha: fuckin wrecked 2 fuckin toys in a matter of minutes :haha: :haha: nice one.

lets have some flix now & just ignore all the fuckheads on here.

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

I BET IVO BURNS BOTH OF YOU FUCKS. NO ONE IN HERE WOULD KNOW THE REAL STORY ABOUT THE GUY ANYWAY YOU FUCKIN SHIT TALKING TURDS

[napoleon]

heres the story about the 15yr old who hijacked the tram......the cops were just maggot.



A motorist has told of the "pretty brutal" arrest of a 15-year-old boy who allegedly took a tram for a joy ride last night.


David Iliff told theage.com.au about eight police cars surrounded the tram, which was at the intersection of Glenferrie Road and Wellington Street, and carrying about 10 passengers.


"A number of police officers had guns drawn and were yelling at the boy inside the tram to open the doors," he said.


Mr Iliff said a female passenger protested when the boy was pushed against a seat and handcuffed.


"She pointed at them (the police) and yelled something ... But the police were pretty angry as well and sort of pushed her aside," he said.


"Once things settled down, they talked to the witnesses, but first of all it was pretty brutal."


Mr Iliff said he was initially shocked by the police's actions.


"From their point of view I'm sure they didn't know if he had a gun or whether he was trying to kill people, so I guess it was appropriate, but at the same time, it did seem excessive."


Victoria Police were not immediately available for comment.


The boy allegedly drove the new low-floor Citadis tram from its depot in Southbank up to 30 kilometres, police said.


Detective Senior Constable Barry Hills, of the police transit division, said the boy admitted his obsession with trams during a police interview.


"He's a nice lad, he's a good lad. I think his obsession just got the better of him," he said.


Senior Constable Hills said the boy went on a test run on Friday night, stealing a tram from the Southbank depot and driving it to Port Melbourne, back to Southbank, then back again.


It was an escapade reminiscent of Nadia Tass' 1986 film Malcolm, in which an eccentric inventor played by Colin Friels loses his job as a tram driver after a joy ride on the tram tracks.


Last night, the boy allegedly drove out of the depot about 8.50pm and went to Port Melbourne. He then used the tram's directional rod to change the tracks and divert the tram towards Clarendon Street in South Melbourne.


Police said he altered the tracks again to travel down Glenferrie Road, where he picked up passengers.


Constable Hills said police were alerted to the theft by staff at Yarra Trams' control room about 9.20pm. No passengers called police.


Colin Friels prepares to leave South Melbourne depot on a joyride in Malcolm, the 1986 film directed by Nadia Tass.

Senior Constable Hills said passengers only became suspicious of the boy, who was wearing a jacket similar to a tram driver's, just before his arrest.


"There was a couple of moments when the driver overshot the stops and was confronted by a couple of passengers, and that's when they've become a little wary."


Three sets of keys are needed to operate the Citadis trams.


Senior Constable Hills said the keys were believed to have been stolen three weeks ago from the Box Hill depot, but said the theft was not reported.
"It does take considerable effort, time and concentration to drive these trams."


Senior Constable Hills said the 15-year-old used the test run on Friday night to work out how to use the complicated braking system.


He rejected suggestions the boy may have been taught about trams by well-meaning drivers, believing he learned simply by observing the drivers at work.


Although he stressed the potential serious consequences of the theft, Senior Constable Hills said the boy should not abandon his dream of being a tram driver.


"I believe that if he stays on the straight and narrow then it's certainly not going to affect his future," he said.


The boy, from Sunshine, was taken to Boroondara police station and charged with nine offences, including two counts each of theft of trams and conduct endangering life.


He was bailed to appear before the Children's Court on June 20.

[Tikriminal]

this place is so lame.. almost as lame as the word lame

[paint stained hands]

:haha: :haha: :haha: fuckin wrecked 2 fuckin toys in a matter of minutes :haha: :haha: nice one.

lets have some flix now & just ignore all the fuckheads on here.
Quoted post
[/quote]


'' THEN TAKE A PAGE OUT OF YOUR OWN BOOK MATE''

[metropolitanmayhem]

Originally posted by iloveyoursister@Apr 18 2005, 01:57 AM
A train sitting in a front yard of someones house in sydney.
http://img218.echo.cx/img218/5895/romeprueview0pm.jpg
Buffed now though.
Quoted post

and why the hell would you buff that or are they some kind of train junkie, does anyone kno why there are hitachis sittin on farms all over?

[paint stained hands]

and why the hell would you buff that or are they some kind of train junkie, does anyone kno why there are hitachis sittin on farms all over?
Quoted post
[/quote]

connex were selling them.

[bassline]

Originally posted by TURBOCAPSLOK@Apr 18 2005, 09:03 AM
I BET IVO BURNS BOTH OF YOU FUCKS. NO ONE IN HERE WOULD KNOW THE REAL STORY ABOUT THE GUY ANYWAY YOU FUCKIN SHIT TALKING TURDS
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yeeer.. like he could burn anyone...
no, nobody knows the real story about that dog, only half of melbourne who made him cry in 1993 when he came here.
you lucky I know how to play by the rules on here or I would unload on that fuckwit from seedy creek!

[melburn city]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deaddd-thumb.JPGhttp://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deadddd-thumb.JPG

[melburn city]

took these photo's a while back found them funny within 1 minute 3 guys pissed on it. sorry about the quality zoom is shit on the camera
http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44bonez2.JPG
http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44bonez1.JPG

[Original R]

DOES ANY ONE HAVE OLD BIAS B PANLES JUST A QEUSTION IF YA CAN POST THEM UP???

[melburn city]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deaddddddd.JPG
http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deadddddddd.JPG

[Original R]

nice post melburn

[melburn city]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deadedd.JPG
http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deadddddd.JPG

[melburn city]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deaddddd.JPG
http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deaded.JPG

[melburn city]

http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deaddd.JPG
http://www.dahub.com.au/photopost/data//500/44deadddd.JPG

[melburn city]

i think everyone should chuck up 5 to 10 flicks each just to brighten the forum bit

[sper1a]

flick of 1 of my pieces...only my 15th piece so go easy...

[azerks]

Originally posted by sper1a
flick of 1 of my pieces...only my 15th piece so go easy...

[Hit em up]

meant wuz with frost

[shutupmike]

Originally posted by raptaske@Apr 18 2005, 08:52 PM

I post flicks thats all i do

All this shit started when one of the people posted a piece i didnt post on this forum and writ nice drips on it remeber that?

So dont say shit that its my own fault everyone hates me
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u talk a lot of shit for a fat little fuck, why would i want to rememebr your shit, yes it is your fault that everyone hates you. who are you going to blame it on?

learn to type faggot.
DICKHEAD, WHAT HAVE YOU EVER CONTRIBUTED TO THIS EARTH?


nice flicks everyone else, word.

[sNoLeHp]

keep the dishen the shit to raptoy

[TRAIN_STYLER_ONE]

dus anyone no any good aus hiphop that isnt hilltops, lazy grey, bias b or terrafirma????????????/
and where i could download sum of it
cheers

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by TRAIN_STYLER_ONE@Apr 19 2005, 12:53 PM
dus anyone no any good aus hiphop that isnt hilltops, lazy grey, bias b or terrafirma????????????/
and where i could download sum of it
cheers
Quoted post


how about going to a record store and buying it. you don't pay, they don't eat

[dont sleep]

Originally posted by TRAIN_STYLER_ONE@Apr 18 2005, 09:53 PM
dus anyone no any good aus hiphop that isnt hilltops, lazy grey, bias b or terrafirma????????????/
and where i could download sum of it
cheers
Quoted post


Andy Struckshure
Hunter and Disaster
Layla
After Hours

Go bye it ya cheep fuck

[TRAIN_STYLER_ONE]

Originally posted by dont sleep+Apr 19 2005, 01:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dont sleep - Apr 19 2005, 01:38 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TRAIN_STYLER_ONE@Apr 18 2005, 09:53 PM
dus anyone no any good aus hiphop that isnt hilltops, lazy grey, bias b or terrafirma????????????/
and where i could download sum of it
cheers
Quoted post


Andy Struckshure
Hunter and Disaster
Layla
After Hours

Go bye it ya cheep fuck
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[/b][/quote]

ur sayin that you've never downloaded music from the internet,

[Abracadabra]

these aren't multi-million dollar musicians on major labels we're talking about here, these are folks barely making enough to put out their next record or go on tours to put on live shows for us all, let alone make enough to live off it. forking out $20 to show your appreciation for their hard work and talent is a small price to pay

[dont sleep]

ur sayin that you've never downloaded music from the internet,
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[/quote]

nope and that aint no lie, I dont know how never tried I dont mind lookin at graff but I have a life outside the computer. the comp isnt even mine I just work and have access to it unlike most I pay my way when it comes to music sounds better lasts longer. Even my mp3 is straight from cd I just dont care.....I havent even burnt a cd in about a year.

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

WHERES ALL THE SHIT TALK TODAY?

[led junkie]

Originally posted by TRAIN_STYLER_ONE@Apr 19 2005, 12:53 PM
dus anyone no any good aus hiphop that isnt hilltops, lazy grey, bias b or terrafirma????????????/
and where i could download sum of it
cheers
Quoted post

I hope you paid for Hilltops and Bias support your local acts what would you have done before downloading?
Would you have asked some other kid at school if they had it so you could record it on a cassette?
cheap fucker maybe ask Rapta hes cheap. :yuck:

[excalibus]

I say get it 4 free if u can, when it leaves the artists mouth it should be free to anyone who can hear it

[led junkie]

Originally posted by excalibus@Apr 19 2005, 02:28 PM
I say get it 4 free if u can, when it leaves the artists mouth it should be free to anyone who can hear it
Quoted post

Do you get everything free do ya?Maybe you could give me your paint and anything else I whant of yours maybe ya mums.
Cheap cunt fuck you.

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by excalibus@Apr 19 2005, 02:28 PM
I say get it 4 free if u can, when it leaves the artists mouth it should be free to anyone who can hear it
Quoted post


awesome logic you got there.

so if we lived in your world:

no musicians make money,
therefore
can't afford to record the cd's/records,
therefore
no more music on the shelves,
therefore
no more record stores,
therefore:
no more music, period

as cool as live music is, i doubt the artists i like are going to come over to my house and perform their music every time i want to hear their songs, especially when i'm not going to pay them for the pleasure and all.

[TRAIN_STYLER_ONE]

Originally posted by led junkie+Apr 19 2005, 02:22 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (led junkie - Apr 19 2005, 02:22 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TRAIN_STYLER_ONE@Apr 19 2005, 12:53 PM
dus anyone no any good aus hiphop that isnt hilltops, lazy grey, bias b or terrafirma????????????/
and where i could download sum of it
cheers
Quoted post

I hope you paid for Hilltops and Bias support your local acts what would you have done before downloading?
Would you have asked some other kid at school if they had it so you could record it on a cassette?
cheap fucker maybe ask Rapta hes cheap. :yuck:
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[/b][/quote]

yeh i did buy em actually but i hav no money at tha mo so how can i buy the cd's
n chill out on rapta

[revolutione]

More good aussie hip hop.
lost souls, field trip, the new katalyst mix tape is fresh, if your into
more laid back jazzy/funk type shit, muph & plutonic are pretty fresh too..
All available at this is it and JB, so go buy it.

There's some top notch uk stuff getting out at the moment too...

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by revolutione@Apr 19 2005, 02:58 PM
There's some top notch uk stuff getting out at the moment too...
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indeed

[dont sleep]

yeh i did buy em actually but i hav no money at tha mo so how can i buy the cd's
n chill out on rapta
Quoted post
[/quote]

Mabe you and your mates can all chuck in a few bucks and sit around listing to it together and take terns on who gets it on what nights..
thats if you have enough mates otherwise it could be 4 or 5 bucks each............ :haha: :haha: :haha:

oh how do you think junkies suport there habit lern some skill if you aint got the splash..................

[excalibus]

I think you taint the creativity by forcing people to pay for it, some people will still pay for the album and buy there ticket to the show because they want to suport the artist, and they can afford to. Those who dont have the cash to buy the cd or go to the show, shouldnt be stopped by their lack of money, once its out of that mouth its for everybody to hear, not just those with enough cash to satisfy the artists lifestyle needs. All music should be availible free, in the same way that graffiti is almost always free, its bullshit if its not

[revolutione]

cds range between $15-16 to $34 tops.
If you dig the artist fucking support them!
Anyone can save that sort of money!
Stop being a pack of tight arses.

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by excalibus@Apr 19 2005, 04:15 PM
I think you taint the creativity by forcing people to pay for it, some people will still pay for the album and buy there ticket to the show because they want to suport the artist, and they can afford to. Those who dont have the cash to buy the cd or go to the show, shouldnt be stopped by their lack of money, once its out of that mouth its for everybody to hear, not just those with enough cash to satisfy the artists lifestyle needs. All music should be availible free, in the same way that graffiti is almost always free, its bullshit if its not
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mate, if you can't afford $20 measley dollars for a fucking cd then your pitiful life sucks and you need to get your ass a j-o-b

[led junkie]

Originally posted by excalibus@Apr 19 2005, 04:15 PM
I think you taint the creativity by forcing people to pay for it, some people will still pay for the album and buy there ticket to the show because they want to suport the artist, and they can afford to. Those who dont have the cash to buy the cd or go to the show, shouldnt be stopped by their lack of money, once its out of that mouth its for everybody to hear, not just those with enough cash to satisfy the artists lifestyle needs. All music should be availible free, in the same way that graffiti is almost always free, its bullshit if its not
Quoted post

I fucking hate freeloaders do you get Free rent? free food? free beer? free film processing? free paint? free weed?
Do you work for free? do you give free headjobs?
Start paying for shit otherwise you will never get paid its people like you who will end up being a stinking bloody dero "You got a dollar bro"
Get fucked.

[knkr]

i figure if picasso did a piece of art. it was in a gallery. ypou went and sore the canvas. enjoyed it. bought a print for 5$. and framed the print and had it in your room. is that wrong? i dont think so. art appriciation.. shit gettinf ripped will always happen. before mp3 was cd before that dat's and so on.
scam music. who was the artist btw? i here in the u.s dudes are gettting locked up for over 10000 mp3s... :rolleyes:

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

WHO CARES METAL RULES!

[TRAIN_STYLER_ONE]

orite chillout i just wanted to expand my music collection, geez

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

DISCO SUCKS
PUNK IS GAY
HEAVY METAL ALL THE WAY!

[grimz]

headz up...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/rekaone/qwerty.jpg

[knkr]

oh. by the way.
10:00 tonite SBS
"freestyle" the art of rhymes on.
good documentry.
enjoy.

[billy bob]

www.ozhiphop.com

[Hoblow]

Originally posted by excalibus@Apr 19 2005, 05:15 PM
I think you taint the creativity by forcing people to pay for it, some people will still pay for the album and buy there ticket to the show because they want to suport the artist, and they can afford to. Those who dont have the cash to buy the cd or go to the show, shouldnt be stopped by their lack of money, once its out of that mouth its for everybody to hear, not just those with enough cash to satisfy the artists lifestyle needs. All music should be availible free, in the same way that graffiti is almost always free, its bullshit if its not
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How difficult is it to understand? If you don't pay, they don't play. It's got sweet fuck all with them being greedy to support their lifestyle, it's about being able to buy instruments, studio time and cover production costs in general. Stop spouting off crappy hippy shit about how the world would be a better place if shit was like that. there's a good reason the hippy era died and the greens have never made it anywhere, because those crappy ideas aren't sustainable.

[100percent]

Originally posted by led junkie+Apr 19 2005, 06:30 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (led junkie - Apr 19 2005, 06:30 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-excalibus@Apr 19 2005, 04:15 PM

Quoted post

I fucking hate freeloaders do you get Free rent? free food? free beer? free film processing? free paint? free weed?
Do you work for free? do you give free headjobs?
Start paying for shit otherwise you will never get paid its people like you who will end up being a stinking bloody dero "You got a dollar bro"
Get fucked.
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

"Do you work for free? do you give free headjobs?" Hilarious! "Stinking bloody 'You got a dollar bro?' dero" - Gold!
I was LOLing my ass off (LOLMAO)

[100percent]

Originally posted by Hoblow+Apr 19 2005, 07:32 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hoblow - Apr 19 2005, 07:32 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-excalibus@Apr 19 2005, 05:15 PM

Quoted post


How difficult is it to understand? If you don't pay, they don't play. It's got sweet fuck all with them being greedy to support their lifestyle, it's about being able to buy instruments, studio time and cover production costs in general. Stop spouting off crappy hippy shit about how the world would be a better place if shit was like that. there's a good reason the hippy era died and the greens have never made it anywhere, because those crappy ideas aren't sustainable.
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

Shut the fuck up idiot, you got any better ideas? How about Liberal for 4 more years? Stick to the graf cockhead

[led junkie]

O.K maybe I will settle down now.
We have all racked stuff weather it be on the net or from your local newsagent,hardware whatever I just dont gank shit from people I respect E.G -Friends and people I look upto hip hop deserves better its ours.
If I cannot buy the record im after I might get a copy off a mate but I will allways buy it when I see it even If I have to pay stupid prices off Ebay.
Show some respect for others and they will show you some to you.
If you came out with a mad album would you what everyone to just download it? and not pay a cent to you?
Wake up.
Peace nothings free these days unless you can racket. ;)

[abc123]

New flicks on escape (http://www.graffiti.org/escapism)
http://www.graffiti.org/escapism/images/186-15.jpg

[Original R]

Originally posted by TURBOCAPSLOK@Apr 19 2005, 05:04 PM
DISCO SUCKS
PUNK IS GAY
HEAVY METAL ALL THE WAY!
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somebodies been reading dfa lol ... well maybe?

[AC/DC]

DEMOCRACY SUCKS
CAPITALISM'S GAY
COMMUNISM ALL THE WAY

[revolutione]

PARIS SUCKS (HARD COCK)
MOLLY'S GAY
ST. KILDA PROS ALL THE WAY!

[Hoblow]

Originally posted by 100percent@Apr 19 2005, 08:18 PM
Shut the fuck up idiot, you got any better ideas? How about Liberal for 4 more years? Stick to the graf cockhead
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Listen high school boy, if you can't understand the shit i'm putting out, don't bother trying to get involved. I was pointing out that his beautiful idea of a world where everything is free is not and never will be sustainable. Capitalism is not something that can be stopped by protests and petitions, simply because it's not something that's a choice. People can't choose capitalism, it's just the way the world works. Money talks in the world we inhabit today and if you don't think you should have to spend it to get what you want, prepare to be bored and hungry.

Now, if you really do think that you can step on up and play, send me a PM and tell me why i shouldn't vote liberal, who would do a better job and why?

I apologise to everyone else for the non-graff related filler.

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

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[HITLER]

Originally posted by Hoblow@Apr 19 2005, 10:43 PM
People can't choose capitalism, it's just the way the world works. Money talks in the world we inhabit today and if you don't think you should have to spend it to get what you want, prepare to be bored and hungry.Quoted post


thats a little ignorant. You can easily live off the land, rural or urban. As for wanting things, it depends on how materialistic you are.
But you can acquire most things without paying a cent.

[Abracadabra]

philosophical discussion in the melbourne thread? who'd have thunk it?

[excalibus]

sumhow i think my 'get something for free when u can attitude' will end up making me much richer than any of you.

[wordsmith]

How do you expect to become rich if everyone adopts your mentality of not paying for anything?

Also, even if people did keep paying for things and you became rich, what would be the point of being rich if you're not going to pay for anything? Wouldn't your money be worthless?

Your argument is a bad one, if you expect to go throughout life being as cheap as your portraying yourself to be, how do you ever expect to gain any respect?

[excalibus]

perhaps im portraying myself a little cheaper than i am, im sure i earn a lot more than all you, and thus probably spend far more also, but if u can get something for free and you dont because your too proud you will find that opportunities may pass u by and not come back so quickly.

[led junkie]

Originally posted by excalibus@Apr 20 2005, 10:10 AM
perhaps im portraying myself a little cheaper than i am, im sure i earn a lot more than all you, and thus probably spend far more also, but if u can get something for free and you dont because your too proud you will find that opportunities may pass u by and not come back so quickly.
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Your cheap mate just except it.Im shure you pull heaps of sweet babes and ask them to pay for dinner. :yuck:

[dont sleep]

[quote=led junkie,Apr 19 2005, 04:49 AM]
We have all racked stuff weather it be on the net
I will allways buy it when I see it even If I have to pay stupid prices off Ebay.
If you came out with a mad album would you what everyone to just download it? and not pay a cent to you?
Wake up.


Mate go outside there is a real world outside. Why dose everything you say relate to your computer you nerd fuck. You dont need a job you need a life. you should wake up. :shook: :shook: :shook:

[led junkie]

[quote=led junkie,Apr 19 2005, 04:49 AM]
We have all racked stuff weather it be on the net
I will allways buy it when I see it even If I have to pay stupid prices off Ebay.
If you came out with a mad album would you what everyone to just download it? and not pay a cent to you?
Wake up.


Mate go outside there is a real world outside. Why dose everything you say relate to your computer you nerd fuck. You dont need a job you need a life. you should wake up. :shook: :shook: :shook:
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When have I ever mentioned my computer?

[led junkie]

Hey DONTSLEEP why dont you get some wake up go outside smell the coffee then get hit by a tram. :love2:
Cheap cunt.

[iloveyoursister]

Get back to the graff!!!!

[excalibus]

no trams where dont sleep lives

[brokenglass]

if you cant get it for free then you shouldnt have it.

[knkr]

/me goes commy hunting.

go china go! :huh2:

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by wordsmith@Apr 20 2005, 10:04 AM
How do you expect to become rich if everyone adopts your mentality of not paying for anything?

Also, even if people did keep paying for things and you became rich, what would be the point of being rich if you're not going to pay for anything? Wouldn't your money be worthless?

Your argument is a bad one, if you expect to go throughout life being as cheap as your portraying yourself to be, how do you ever expect to gain any respect?
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haha, dude you're completely making sense to me, but somehow i think logic and reality are completely lost on this kid. probably better just to smile and nod smugly at your computer screen content in the knowledge that the more shit this guy spins, the less weight his argument holds.




"im sure i earn a lot more than all you"

excalibus, statements like these, even if true, just making you look like a fool spinning absolute shit. you might want to quit before the shitstorm begins when people call you out for living at mum's place collecting the dole

[excalibus]

bring it on, i live far from my mums house and wouldnt qualify for the dole if i only worked 3 days a week! You are silly if u wouldnt take something that is offered to you for free, when the alternative is paying 30 bucks for it, I really think we have different mentalities on the issue, rich dad poor dad type thing

[knkr]

"rich dad poor dad type thing"

good book ey. :$:

dont read it if your street phat ghetto bustin glocks on foolios.
bling rich. or "i could remove your grandmothers house" rich.

i speek cents. huhuhuhuh. :jpotato:

any white smoke yet?

[HITLER]

Originally posted by excalibus@Apr 20 2005, 04:52 PM
bring it on, i live far from my mums house and wouldnt qualify for the dole if i only worked 3 days a week! You are silly if u wouldnt take something that is offered to you for free, when the alternative is paying 30 bucks for it, I really think we have different mentalities on the issue, rich dad poor dad type thing
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so if one of your mates released a CD (or Magazine or something), after spending a few thousand dollars on costs, wouldnt you support them by buying a copy? or would you ask him to copy it for you and give it to you for free?

[100percent]

Originally posted by Hoblow+Apr 19 2005, 12:43 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hoblow - Apr 19 2005, 12:43 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-100percent@Apr 19 2005, 08:18 PM
Shut the fuck up idiot, you got any better ideas? How about Liberal for 4 more years? Stick to the graf cockhead
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Listen high school boy, if you can't understand the shit i'm putting out, don't bother trying to get involved. I was pointing out that his beautiful idea of a world where everything is free is not and never will be sustainable. Capitalism is not something that can be stopped by protests and petitions, simply because it's not something that's a choice. People can't choose capitalism, it's just the way the world works. Money talks in the world we inhabit today and if you don't think you should have to spend it to get what you want, prepare to be bored and hungry.

Now, if you really do think that you can step on up and play, send me a PM and tell me why i shouldn't vote liberal, who would do a better job and why?

I apologise to everyone else for the non-graff related filler.
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[/b][/quote]

I agree, people should have to spend money to get the stuff they want.

My critique lies in your ignorant wholesale condescension of the entire green movement. If you're as politically aware as you claim to be, then I'm sure you know that John Howard has no interest in long term sustainability, his only interest is in getting another term. Ergo, any initiative to develop long term sustainable practices that will have a forseeable benefit outside the current term, but that requires substantial spending inside the current term, will not be found in his policies. He is a shining monument to Machiavelli's 'Prince', and nothing more.

You have the luxury of political ignorance "high school boy", so please keep voting how all your Scotch buddies and their Liberal daddies discuss during your privileged circle-jerks.

[Tikriminal]

http://img28.exs.cx/img28/4944/chaz0063tj.jpg

theres a thread for talking shit you know

[sNoLeHp]

enuf of the hoos a cheap cunt talk lets get bak to he graff i mean yeh wev all rackd but as sum of u r sayin u gotta pay for things or otherwise they wont be there for the ppl hoo are willin to pay for it and u cheep cunts will be hated on by all the respectfull ppl out there

[sNoLeHp]

en :huh2:

[Hoblow]

Originally posted by 100percent@Apr 20 2005, 06:10 PM
I agree, people should have to spend money to get the stuff they want.

My critique lies in your ignorant wholesale condescension of the entire green movement. If you're as politically aware as you claim to be, then I'm sure you know that John Howard has no interest in long term sustainability, his only interest is in getting another term. Ergo, any initiative to develop long term sustainable practices that will have a forseeable benefit outside the current term, but that requires substantial spending inside the current term, will not be found in his policies. He is a shining monument to Machiavelli's 'Prince', and nothing more.

You have the luxury of political ignorance "high school boy", so please keep voting how all your Scotch buddies and their Liberal daddies discuss during your privileged circle-jerks.
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My point was that greens policies as a whole, as represented by the entire political party, are not sustainable. I'm completely aware that little johnny has no interest in long term anything. At no point did i support anything our current leaders are doing, i merely made a statement on the prevalence of capitalism.
I have not ever voted liberal, but i will if i think they're the better choice. I have never been to anything remotely resembling scotch or any private school. I have never had the luxury of having more than enough money than what is necessary to get by. I just pay attention.

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

WORKING CLASS HERO RIGHT THERE FOLKS

[bassline]

Originally posted by 100percent+Apr 20 2005, 07:10 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (100percent - Apr 20 2005, 07:10 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Hoblow@Apr 19 2005, 12:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-100percent@Apr 19 2005, 08:18 PM
Shut the fuck up idiot, you got any better ideas? How about Liberal for 4 more years? Stick to the graf cockhead
Quoted post


Listen high school boy, if you can't understand the shit i'm putting out, don't bother trying to get involved. I was pointing out that his beautiful idea of a world where everything is free is not and never will be sustainable. Capitalism is not something that can be stopped by protests and petitions, simply because it's not something that's a choice. People can't choose capitalism, it's just the way the world works. Money talks in the world we inhabit today and if you don't think you should have to spend it to get what you want, prepare to be bored and hungry.

Now, if you really do think that you can step on up and play, send me a PM and tell me why i shouldn't vote liberal, who would do a better job and why?

I apologise to everyone else for the non-graff related filler.
Quoted post


I agree, people should have to spend money to get the stuff they want.

My critique lies in your ignorant wholesale condescension of the entire green movement. If you're as politically aware as you claim to be, then I'm sure you know that John Howard has no interest in long term sustainability, his only interest is in getting another term. Ergo, any initiative to develop long term sustainable practices that will have a forseeable benefit outside the current term, but that requires substantial spending inside the current term, will not be found in his policies. He is a shining monument to Machiavelli's 'Prince', and nothing more.

You have the luxury of political ignorance "high school boy", so please keep voting how all your Scotch buddies and their Liberal daddies discuss during your privileged circle-jerks.
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[/b][/quote]

yes your political comments are correct. that pretty much is both those agenders.
theres only 1 problem. The leader of the greens party is openly gay, this destroys ANY credability anyone would ever give him.
If hes that mentally unstable he cant even get step 1 right, what hope is there for him leading anyone?

[led junkie]

Originally posted by excalibus@Apr 20 2005, 04:52 PM
bring it on, i live at my mums house and I collect the dole.Ive only worked 3 days in my life. You are silly if u wouldnt take something that is offered to you for free my mates give me free head. when the alternative is paying 30 bucks for it, I really think we have different mentalities on the issue, rich dad poor dad fuck dad type thing
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On ya mate you should be proud the world owes you a living.

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

HOW IGNORANT OF YOU BASSLINE. HOPEFULLY THAT WAS A JOKE

[metropolitanmayhem]

just a few stolen flicks from escape to keep things goin
http://www.graffiti.org/escapism/images/186-06.jpg
http://www.graffiti.org/escapism/images/186-02.jpg
http://www.graffiti.org/escapism/images/185-17.jpg

[billy bob]

There is a select few that have valid opinions and statments but i have no idea why they need to be voiced here on a graffiti forum. Most with a sense of grammar and spelling know who each other are anyway so why can't we have these conversations in person, on a chat program or in channle zero where your allowed to talk shit. To all the 15 year olds, post photo's of graffiti, not talking shit abotu how tough you are and how many heads your gonna stomp. Mr.ABC your meant to be cleaning this shit up, not aiding too it.

Get rid of all that shit over the last 2 pages.

Because all this shits already there...
I'll support paying because you gotta give teh culture a cash boost but you are kidding yourself if you actually pay for everything. I've bought a few books this year and about 30 nozzles. If i payed for everythign i aquired this year id be in debt a few thousand plus the rest.

[brokenglass]

postee uppee some photos dammit...

[brokenglass]

oh and rest in peace semy...

[Hit em up]

true that broken glass,.. R.I.P SEMY... post up some semy pieces as a lil tribute to him...