View Full Version : Random Cars
Hermdog
12-16-2004, 06:53 PM
If you're like me, I can't stop thinking about trains...clean, new, old, whatever... I've seen a ton of them in my travels, but I can't get enough. So here's some random clean one's I've gathered. You can enjoy them for their beauty or plan out your next piece if they're in your yard. All I ask is that you contribute, I don't care if it's all CSX/UP/GVS...I wanna see ridges, flats, the 3-4 types of waffles, oversized...whatever..
Don't post cars without the numbers...I'm interested in what different versions run with number...if you're afraid than don't post 'em up.
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/may/wp.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/may/soo.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/dec/o-mec.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/dec/o-nyc.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/may/cp.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/june/2chessie.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/feb/bnsf.jpg
http://www.domesticsclothing.com/fumes/fr8s/w1rK_slc.jpg
http://www.domesticsclothing.com/fumes/fr8s/I7Qs_gnwr.jpg
Hermdog
12-16-2004, 06:55 PM
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/feb/kcs-car.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/feb/cokexpress.jpg
http://www.domesticsclothing.com/fumes/fr8s/86LI_armn.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/feb/qgry.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/feb/railties.jpg
for railties...
http://www.domesticsclothing.com/fumes/fr8s/pPf4_pullme.jpg
Hermdog
12-16-2004, 07:00 PM
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/mapa-1.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/csp-1.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/nshr-1.jpg
Hermdog
12-16-2004, 07:08 PM
http://crcyc.railfan.net/crrs/box/cr265915.jpg
http://www.nonotuck.us/kens/boxcars/D/images/7D&RGW,%20Denver%20&%20Rio%20Grande%20Western,%2050'%20Plug%20Door%20B oxcar,%2061849,%20%20April,%201976.jpg
http://crcyc.railfan.net/crrs/box/cr216859.jpg
B.anthracis
12-16-2004, 07:09 PM
Hey Herm, I got a few.
Can I email them to you
later on tonight and do the same thing?
howiemandel
12-16-2004, 07:24 PM
yo herm, i came across this site last night as a matter of fact, dont know if you've been there, but it's really well organized, and all the shots are beautiful. this guy has a damn good eye. you can spend wayyy too long peeping it out if you're not watching the clock. (the link)----> http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/ enjoy.
Hermdog
12-16-2004, 08:46 PM
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/may/0-adn.jpg
Forgot this one...
Post what you have... thanks for the sites above, I'll peep 'em
curious
12-16-2004, 09:00 PM
those cars are great, nice post herdizzle.
DANKMAN
12-16-2004, 09:01 PM
damn, i would like to catch a few of those......
those ADN's with 4 doors are a bitch to hit..... but they are dope as shit.....
outinspace
12-16-2004, 09:11 PM
http://www.hostmyfile.net/files/14604.jpg
http://www.hostmyfile.net/files/14605.jpg
heres a couple......for now
BROKENTRAIN
12-16-2004, 09:41 PM
BEAUTIFULL POST!!! I WILL ADD TO IT LATTER
ionno.
12-16-2004, 10:07 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/drew.l/edcdab40.jpg
Pfffffffffft
12-16-2004, 11:03 PM
this reminds me of a dessert menu
i love it
40ozbreath
12-16-2004, 11:48 PM
they need to get painted
type R
12-17-2004, 02:01 AM
chessies are always nice...
imported_joewelcome
12-17-2004, 02:21 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/joewelcome/upfe.jpg
CAUGHT WHILE STEALING ONIONS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/joewelcome/bluedia.jpg
(FORMER EL)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/joewelcome/bar.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/joewelcome/bayline.jpg
THESE ARE JACKED FLICKS BELOW-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/joewelcome/solidgld.jpg
ANYONE GOT real cold FLICKS???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/joewelcome/cnreef.jpg
SOMEONE TELL ME THESE ARE STILL SOMEWHERE IN CANADA...
NICE, HERM.
CHUKYCHEEZE
12-17-2004, 03:01 AM
UNION PACIFIC FRUIT EXPRESS[SIZE=7][B]
Overtime
12-17-2004, 03:24 AM
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/may/0-adn.jpg
i saw this in another post, what the fuck is it? how does it work? this car confuses me..
ArtistikFunk
12-17-2004, 03:38 AM
<h5>
Alright Herm you caught me looking.. You knew I had some classic cars.
Ok I contributed.. Enjoy!
</h5>
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/armn1016.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/armn707.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/cleanarmn.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/cleancryo.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/co489299.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/co493911.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/dti26164.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/dti26835.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/cnwchicago.jpg
ArtistikFunk
12-17-2004, 03:39 AM
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/fgmr12231.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/hamsbeercar.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/gn138457.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/gn36904.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/ic11579.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/ic670554.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/icg101323.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/js03.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/milw16606.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/milwxm2109.jpg
ArtistikFunk
12-17-2004, 03:40 AM
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/mkt8544.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/mkt8699.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/mkt8891.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/mp265024.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/mp271576.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/mrhicubes.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/nw31229.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/sal28261.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/sp616532.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/ssw23726.jpg
ArtistikFunk
12-17-2004, 03:41 AM
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/tpix2676.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/tpix3263.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/wc16304.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/wp06073.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/wp3086ajs.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/wp38141.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/wp60775k.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/wp62021k.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/bkty19.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/steph.jpg
The Finest Redheaded engineer I ever saw!!
Ruben205
12-17-2004, 03:43 AM
Those ADN's are definatley a bitch to paint.
GrimeyLife1
12-17-2004, 03:48 AM
This thread is awesome
imported_joewelcome
12-17-2004, 03:49 AM
holy fuck.. there's TOO many reefers out there!
nasty shit.
anyone ever see the SLC reefers? those are prob still on the lines.
ionno.
12-17-2004, 03:55 AM
i'm outta breath.
imported_joewelcome
12-17-2004, 04:04 AM
here's what one of those Milwaukee Roads looks like today.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/joewelcome/milwaukk.jpg
DANKMAN
12-17-2004, 04:21 AM
damn, this post just keeps gettin better.....
angry orphan
12-17-2004, 07:10 AM
i want one of those orange joints.. the IC or the ARMN... they look so tasty
iloveboxcars
12-17-2004, 08:57 AM
wow artistikfunk i want to have your babies.
crave
12-17-2004, 09:12 AM
damn, soooo many dope cars.
Hermdog
12-17-2004, 11:16 AM
You made my day Art... and the day just started..
Hermdog
12-17-2004, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by onesecondple@Dec 16 2004, 11:24 PM
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/may/0-adn.jpg
i saw this in another post, what the fuck is it? how does it work? this car confuses me..
Quoted post
It's a car that is all doors (both sides.) The doors swing out, instead of back and forth. I believe they are used for treated wood.
jack tripper
12-17-2004, 12:28 PM
http://www.lay-lo.com/graff/d-g/frisco-car_001.jpg
Overtime
12-17-2004, 01:26 PM
thanks herm...
howiemandel
12-17-2004, 02:15 PM
hamm's, norfolk western, solid cold and great northern are highlights for me, thanks everyone who posted, these are great... send some of those 86 footers my way!
lepthebeard
12-17-2004, 02:42 PM
...i need a kleenex...
...what a mess i have made...
Hermdog
12-17-2004, 03:42 PM
any local lines? what about the dime a dozens...rbox csx cnw?
newdeal7
12-17-2004, 03:57 PM
nice shit. i think i may have a few i can contribute.
kaesthebluntedwonder
12-17-2004, 04:07 PM
Wow man, this thread is beautiful.
Neskoner
12-17-2004, 04:39 PM
great shit,the grey illinois central cars are my all time favorites.
Mista Jostah
12-17-2004, 11:19 PM
wow.. awesome cars.
orange IC wow!
NORFOLK SOUTHERN
12-18-2004, 12:34 AM
Herm you are right about the treated wood thats all the ashley drew and northern railroad handled was wood and wood products it was an intersting railroad check it here if you are interested http://eje.railfan.net/adn/
scumdog
12-18-2004, 02:31 AM
great idea for a thread...
scumdog
12-18-2004, 02:42 AM
i got a couple now..
http://homepage.mac.com/concretechic/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-12-17%2019.33.21%20-0800/Image-6D83B1B250A511D9.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/concretechic/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-12-17%2019.33.21%20-0800/Image-6D83D2BD50A511D9.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/concretechic/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-12-17%2019.33.21%20-0800/Image-6D84041250A511D9.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/concretechic/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-12-17%2019.33.21%20-0800/Image-6D841BC650A511D9.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/concretechic/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-12-17%2019.33.21%20-0800/Image-6D84335950A511D9.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/concretechic/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-12-17%2019.33.21%20-0800/Image-6D83EC3B50A511D9.jpg
Hermdog
12-18-2004, 05:49 PM
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/1cna.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/1mec.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/1nokl.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/1cr.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/1lvrc.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/1soo.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/aug/1sou.jpg
From the Amish Collection
Verbal Kint
12-19-2004, 01:06 AM
The dopest thread out
SP Hycube and cotton Belt
Cryotrans
ghostvandal
12-19-2004, 02:21 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/joewelcome/cnreef.jpg
SOMEONE TELL ME THESE ARE STILL SOMEWHERE IN CANADA...
NICE, HERM.
Quoted post
[/quote]
yep they are definatly still out there..i wont tell you where though ;)
my favourite post of the year..i never right clicked saved as that many pictures in one single post..
to add another one..usax
(stolen)
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/pvt-box/usax/usax29330-6-medium.jpg
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/pvt-box/usax/usax29338-rf1.jpg
why write?
12-19-2004, 03:15 AM
tropicana!!
.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/illrati/IMG0107.jpg
. just trying to contribute
fiskars
12-19-2004, 03:26 AM
http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00435473f00000001.jpg
http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00435473f00000002.jpg
http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00435473f00000003.jpg
that pc coal car was built in 1955
Mista Jostah
12-19-2004, 03:55 PM
I just painted a flat Conrail last night like the one in Hermdog post.
Hermdog
12-20-2004, 11:29 AM
Damn, that USAX is a classic shot...I've never even heard of that car.
iloveboxcars
12-20-2004, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Hermdog@Dec 20 2004, 04:29 AM
Damn, that USAX is a classic shot...I've never even heard of that car.
Quoted post
if that car had a vagina i'd have sex with it.
Hermdog
12-20-2004, 02:02 PM
http://www.gall.ca/mike/Picture%20026.jpg
This car was worth the steal...
ghostvandal
12-20-2004, 05:58 PM
yeah that USAX is the usa military property, its probably more of a felony to paint them than to paint filled autoracks..or maybe not..but whatever i wouldnt want to get caught painting a USAX by some crazy usa military guys.
but they look fucking DOPEEE
on another note.. peep this one. I think its a nyc local car that got lost on the line by my town. not sure though.. anybody seen this car before?
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/cabx.jpg
thanks herm for hosting it
amygoodmonkey
12-20-2004, 06:22 PM
:love2: magnificent thread! :love2:
gutterpunk
12-20-2004, 06:51 PM
rockin ass railfan thread!
rock on....much appreciated....love seein those cars that don't roll through my neck of the wood too often.
thanks bro!
ghostvandal
12-20-2004, 08:44 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/cromeone/mnnr.jpg
just found this one..dammn what the fuck is that car??
ArtistikFunk
12-21-2004, 12:16 AM
found a few more classics still out there rolling....
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/atsf36529.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/bar5915.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/bn223514.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/bn223667.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/bn244932.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/cnw543212.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/cnw92046.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/cnw92093.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/cp81103.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/cp85021.jpg
ArtistikFunk
12-21-2004, 12:17 AM
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/cpavcstring.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/drgw60978.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/drgw65280.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/rock300573.jpg
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/rock57946.jpg
Hermdog
12-21-2004, 05:26 PM
Those yellow CNW's rarely make it here....I'm feelin the 'pac man,' CP's...nice work
Kirk Cocaine
12-21-2004, 06:33 PM
l vouch for this thread to becoming a sticky
B.anthracis
12-21-2004, 07:41 PM
Those new autoracks are crazy and there are so many there!
:shook:
Are most of these still rolling, anyone with a guess(or facts)?
Hermdog
12-21-2004, 07:51 PM
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/cp/milw4701cp.jpg
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/cp/cpaa206035.jpg
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/csxt/86ftbox/csxt179242.jpg
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/csxt/50ftbox/csxt135137.jpg
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/csxt/50ftbox/csxt150071.jpg
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/csxt/rbl/csxt198978tropicana-1-medium.jpg
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/csxt/rbl/csxt199812-3.jpg
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/csxt/60ftbox/csxt173520-2.jpg
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/csxt/60ftbox/csxt166406-2.jpg
Each car is somewhat different...
ghostvandal
12-21-2004, 10:34 PM
im hesitating between the flat black cnw, the D&RGW rio grande or the route rock.. it such a hard choice...
those pacman cps and csx waffle are always around here..
but the grey csx baby ridged and the brown csx are something i've never saw of my life.
outinspace
12-22-2004, 12:33 AM
how bout caboosses?
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/3376/caboos8at.png
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/4782/upcaboos1zu.png
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/8743/snowplow9te.pnghttp://img144.exs.cx/img144/3420/frontyard23gw.jpg
^^someones front yard^^
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/2316/myhouse8ai.png
^^my house^^
sorry if the flicks work
outinspace
12-22-2004, 12:34 AM
***didnt work..
ghostvandal
12-22-2004, 01:29 AM
shit that bn caboose is hot. and that house..i guess you can write in your location : in a boxcar
outinspace
12-22-2004, 03:20 AM
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/9779/cnw143037po.png
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/8959/nwflat7jk.png
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/8678/nwx1ap.png
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/6562/oldschool0ke.png
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/8570/pfe1qu.png
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/7633/19598sg.png
http://img147.exs.cx/img147/4306/oldschhol3pv.png
imported_slyle
12-22-2004, 04:39 AM
If My memory serves me right this is also a military car...
http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00378993f00000002.jpg
I requested these before, old canadian cars that had images of what was in them painted on them. Only other one I saw was one with an apple on it someone posted...
http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00378993f00000007.jpg
A few other favorites, all mine...
http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00378993f00000020.jpg
http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00378993f00000021.jpg
Not in service anymore...
http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00378993f00000022.jpg
http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00378993f00000023.jpg
ghostvandal
12-22-2004, 03:37 PM
damn i cant save as those photango flicks
jedimasteryoda
12-22-2004, 08:16 PM
where do i reserve my spot in heaven....
iloveboxcars
12-23-2004, 01:44 AM
that blank nwx is sexy as fuck.
spacemanspif
12-23-2004, 02:26 AM
this thread is glorious.
40ozbreath
12-23-2004, 03:31 AM
http://www.artistikfunk.com/Milw/hamsbeercar.jpg
awe yeah
Hermdog
12-23-2004, 11:23 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/itsallafarce/P1050812.jpg
Stole it....I love how they have the wrungs all insulated for my climb...
outinspace
12-24-2004, 01:47 AM
http://img155.exs.cx/img155/6619/122295sn.jpg
http://img155.exs.cx/img155/430/1222102gz.jpg
keep it alive!
Hermdog
12-24-2004, 03:49 PM
I love the MRL's...I need to catch a few more of those
Hermdog
01-17-2005, 03:27 PM
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/images/bm.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/images/br.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/images/cna.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/images/crle.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/images/dwc.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/images/eec.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/images/mma.jpg
http://www.baltimore-archive.com/images/dwp.jpg
Boomer the bo
01-17-2005, 06:25 PM
a great assortment of steel!
feeling those Dw&p for real.
FRANKY JONES
01-17-2005, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by lepthebeard@Dec 17 2004, 10:42 AM
...i need a kleenex...
...what a mess i have made...
Quoted post
Hermdog
01-18-2005, 12:06 AM
the green CRLE's seem to roll in packs...rare finds
the MMA's are old LW's totally buffed and restamped so if you see the blue LW's avoid them
someotherkid
01-18-2005, 02:44 AM
http://www.elimin8.net/fr8s/O3ogA_alldoors.JPG
hers another all door car... sorry its not all clean
i came acrost 3 in 1 line BPRR's
dirtyhoodrat
01-18-2005, 03:13 AM
hamms beer car wow!!!!!! that photo definitely ruled!! even though hamms is gross!! wow that piture was old, but could you imagine painting one of those if they were even still rolling..i would not hit it....it is definitely too fucking cool!!
someotherkid
01-18-2005, 04:22 AM
http://www.elimin8.net/fr8s/nIp13_mnsbox.JPG
skillz
01-18-2005, 04:36 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/fake_patriot/edit1.jpg
check the blue wheels
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/fake_patriot/edit2.jpg
cedar rapids and iowa city railway
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/fake_patriot/edit4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/fake_patriot/edit5.jpg
casco
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/fake_patriot/edit6.jpg
illinois central
emergin_graffer
01-20-2005, 02:15 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/emergin_writer/LancasterTrain.jpg
incognita
01-20-2005, 02:25 PM
this thread is beatifullllll.... :love3:
dignan
01-20-2005, 10:39 PM
http://www.scrvrhs.com/pfe/pfecar.jpg
http://www.scrvrhs.com/pfe/pfecar2.jpg
http://www.scrvrhs.com/pfe/pfecar1.jpg
::Stolen::
LugKnut
01-21-2005, 06:56 PM
thats sick!!^^^^
2SON-TONY
01-23-2005, 10:03 PM
[SIZE=7] :yuck: i drop my load too many times lookin' at this thread...! i don't see no ferro-mex or married couples on here!? :shook:
rioterH2d
01-27-2005, 12:08 AM
all those clean cars are givin me a hard on, winter sucks in pittsburgh. just feel like crushin right now. thanks for the motivation.
joe schmo
01-27-2005, 12:39 AM
great thread...
here are a few from my stash...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/karlhungus/some%20shit/100_2520.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/karlhungus/some%20shit/100_2834.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/karlhungus/some%20shit/100_2856.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/karlhungus/some%20shit/100_2857.jpg
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B.anthracis
01-27-2005, 01:02 AM
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Hermdog
01-27-2005, 06:46 PM
wow..looks like you've got a reefur spot...
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